1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Buck 3 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: with you, Buck? What is going on? 4 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 2: Man, It's a lot, DJ, There's a lot going on. 5 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 3: We got coaching moves all over, We had a late 6 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 3: general manager dismissal, so many things to talk about ahead 7 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 3: of conference championship weekend, the championship weekend, and before we 8 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 3: can even get to that, we got to talk about 9 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,639 Speaker 3: so many people swapping chairs, having great opportunity. 10 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, we have episode out. I think that was out Tuesday. 11 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 1: I want to say where we went through, you know, 12 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 1: some of the key players in these conracechampionshipames. So if 13 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: you're looking for the episode, you thought this is the 14 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: one where we're going to, you know, spend a bunch 15 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: of time previewing the basically the semi finals of the 16 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: NFL coming up. Go back listen to the Tuesday episode. 17 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: You'll get all that information. This is more about what's 18 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: going on, the changes that are taking place in the 19 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: new direction for franchises, which I was not planning on 20 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: starting here, Buck, because I didn't know this was going 21 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: to happen until the last twenty four hours. But you're Jags. 22 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: We were wondering who the heck the head coach was 23 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: going to be, and now it looks like they're looking 24 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: for someone else as well. 25 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, DJ, this is such a weird and unique process. Right, 26 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 3: So when you have the regular season and unfortunately they 27 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 3: call it black Monday, right, Black Mondays, the day after 28 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 3: regular season, you see a bunch of coaches dismissed. 29 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 2: Sometimes you see general managers also dismissed. 30 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 3: At that time, the Jaguars made a decision to move 31 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 3: on from Doug Peterson, but they had a press conference 32 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 3: shortly there after. It was shot kind of Trent Balky 33 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 3: where the feel that Trent Balki was going to be 34 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 3: in place as the general manager. All of the language, 35 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 3: Everything that Shad had said is that he felt like 36 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 3: Trend had done a good job. He felt that he 37 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 3: was one of the ones that was guiding him over 38 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 3: the decision making process. And when pressed on that by 39 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 3: a reporter who said, well, what if a new coach 40 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 3: comes in and doesn't want Balky as the general manager, 41 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 3: but you move on from death and he kind of 42 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 3: the owner kind of was taken aback by that was like, 43 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 3: I mean, I mean maybe but that kind of seems crazy. 44 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 3: I don't want to run basically two processes at the 45 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 3: same time. 46 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 2: Well, now, almost a month. 47 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 3: Later, you make a move after maybe there was some 48 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 3: pushback from the hot candidates in terms of whether they 49 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 3: wanted to work with the income and general manager or not. 50 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 2: Con makes the move. 51 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 3: And the thing that you wonder when you make the 52 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 3: move now is Okay, you make the move, but is 53 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 3: there a coaching candidate worthy of giving that kind of 54 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 3: power too? Yeah, and so it's a backwards process. And 55 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 3: what I would say that now that you're in it, 56 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 3: this is an opportunity to completely reset the organization. 57 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 2: So rather than. 58 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 3: Rush to get the coach and everything, why don't you pause, reset, 59 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 3: reflect on what it is that you want the franchise 60 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 3: to be, and then start building the pieces of the puzzle. 61 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 2: That way, you can't worry about like winning the press 62 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 2: conference or whatever Super Bowls a couple weeks away. 63 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 3: Like take your time and get the thing right because DJ, 64 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 3: I don't know, is this hair coach I had the 65 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 3: gm GM hide the hair coach, whatever it is. I 66 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 3: think it requires you to pause for a minute, kind 67 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 3: of gather all the troops together and lay out a 68 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 3: plan for how you want to process. 69 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think there's a report that came out 70 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 1: that said they've got two in person interviews coming up. 71 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,239 Speaker 1: Sala is one of them. I think Patrick Graham, I 72 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: want to say, is the other one coming in. But 73 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: they made a point that, oh, these are not the 74 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: two finalists, that there's more. And it sounds like Joe 75 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 1: Brady's name with the Bills could be someone they'd want 76 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: to visit with in person, and then Kellen Moore with 77 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: the Eagles would be another that they'd be interested in 78 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: talking to. So to me, I with you. I'm with you, Buck. 79 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: I think you you reset, you kind of widen the 80 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: search a little bit. Look, the college season's over too, 81 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: so if there's you know, a Matt Campbell or somebody 82 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: that you're interested in talking to. I know it didn't 83 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: go well on the Urban Meyer front, so maybe that 84 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: includes them from doing that. But at least I try 85 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: to talk to anybody you can talk to. 86 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 3: Okay, So here's one scenario that every one should consider 87 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 3: and just think about this way. So if you felt 88 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 3: good like so taking shot Cohn's words in terms of 89 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 3: he felt like the process, they felt like they were 90 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 3: good players on the roster in those things. 91 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 2: So now what you have to do when you're doing 92 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 2: your self check, is it the person or the process 93 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 2: that you didn't like. 94 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 3: Was it you didn't necessarily like Trimbalki, but you liked 95 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,359 Speaker 3: the process, Because then that puts interim general manager Ethan 96 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 3: Watten play to stay to help you throughout this process 97 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 3: as you find a coach like you liked the process, 98 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 3: but maybe it was toxic at the top based on 99 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 3: the way people felt about the previous general manager. 100 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 2: So that could also be an option where. 101 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 3: You kind of keep things the same because you liked 102 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 3: the process, but you had to swap out the things 103 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 3: at the top to make it a job that's more 104 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 3: attractive to people. The other part, and this is the 105 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 3: danger that owners can step into, is too often in 106 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 3: the process you hear people say I want an office 107 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 3: or a defensive guy, and ultimately it needs to be 108 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 3: a guy that is ready to be. 109 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:02,559 Speaker 2: The head coach. 110 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 3: Because while it is great to have an offensive coordinator 111 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 3: who can bring his playbook and that playbook stays consistent 112 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 3: with the quarterback, you have to make sure that if 113 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 3: you go that route one he can handle the nature 114 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 3: of the job or you're hiring him basically as an 115 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 3: offensive coordinator plus and then your job is to make 116 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 3: sure that the staffing allows him to be able to 117 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 3: grow into the head coaching part of the job. Much 118 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 3: like Sean McVay when he first took over the Rams way, 119 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 3: Fellis was a defensive coordinator. So now you not only 120 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 3: have a defensive coordinator, but you have a defensive coordinator 121 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 3: who has been a head coach, so you can entrust 122 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 3: him to handle that side of the team while you're 123 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 3: locked in on the offense and kind of learning how 124 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 3: to manage the entire thing. I think there are a 125 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 3: lot of little dominoes that are in play when you're 126 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 3: hiring the head coach, and the scenarios that can run 127 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 3: to make one candidate a better candidate than the other. 128 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 1: See if this surprises you, because it did surprise me 129 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 1: a little bit. And you're with the Jags so you 130 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: see him all the time. I don't want to put 131 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: you in a bad spot here, but this, uh, this 132 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 1: person brought up because I said, you know, I wonder 133 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: if things would have been different, you know, with Ben Johnson, 134 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: had you know, Trent Balchyardy been gone, and would that 135 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: have opened up that opportunity there blah blah blah. And 136 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 1: this this is a coach who said, well, I've talked. 137 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 1: He said he was talking to some other coaches about it, 138 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: and they thought, I don't know, you know, you've got 139 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: fixes that need to be done for both quarterbacks, and 140 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: they felt like Caleb might be an easier fix than Trevor. 141 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: And I was like, WHOA, Like that's how that's where 142 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: the that's where the at least a perception around the 143 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: league is that like Trevor's somewhat broken, Like Trevor has 144 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 1: to be put back together and fixed, and it's not 145 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: something that they think is going to be you know, 146 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: snap your fingers, we get some good fancy plays in here, 147 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: and then off we go, which kind of took me back, 148 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: but you see it every week. I just go back 149 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 1: to what Trevor was coming out. I was there and 150 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 1: beat the Charters in the playoffs and thought his career 151 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 1: was just on a on a rocket ship. Now I 152 00:06:58,520 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: know he's had injuries and I know that did it 153 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 1: went ball games, but I was like, gosh, darn, I 154 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 1: didn't think Trevor being broken like that. But that's the 155 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 1: perception from some around the league. 156 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 2: Well, let's be true. 157 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 3: My job here on the podcast is be fully transparent 158 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 3: and to be really honest about my thoughts on what 159 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 3: I've seen from Trevor and the team In those things, 160 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence will be on his third head coach within 161 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 3: five years. Multiple play callers are multiple voices in his head, 162 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 3: multiple systems that he's had to play in. I would 163 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 3: say that for a player who has won his entire 164 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 3: life high school. Because we did the three sixty on 165 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence, we talked to the people around him and 166 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 3: they talked about how he was. Davio Sweeney who we've 167 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 3: talked to, and what we watched at Clemson as he 168 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 3: wont A Natty very early in his career, stepping in 169 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 3: right after Deshaun Washston and taking that team to an 170 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 3: even higher level. To me, I would say that Trevor 171 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 3: might have lost some of the confidence because the team 172 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 3: has lost a lot. He has had the shoulder probably 173 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 3: more than a young franchise quarterback should shoulder if we're 174 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 3: trying to develop the quarterback the right way. And can 175 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 3: I confidently say that he felt the love and support 176 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 3: of everybody that has been pouring into him. Probably not. 177 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 3: So the first thing that you have to do when 178 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 3: it comes to helping Trevor play at his best, he 179 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 3: has to know that you're really there for him, that 180 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 3: your relationship is not just transactional, that is transformational because 181 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 3: you really believe in him. Because when I look at 182 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 3: the guys and DJ, some of this has comes from 183 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 3: coaching high school, and some of this comes from knowing 184 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 3: and watching these kids that I've seen at the opening 185 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 3: when they were seventeen eighteen and watching them grow up 186 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 3: into young men. Sometimes they need the nurturing part of it. 187 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 3: Doesn't mean that they can't be coached hard, but it's 188 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 3: no different than a parent and the kid. They have 189 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 3: to know that you really about them, that you really 190 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 3: care about them, and then they can take the coaching 191 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 3: and going on. So, yeah, when you talk about broken, yes, 192 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 3: you've got to prepare his confidence on top of like 193 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 3: working on some mechanical flaws. But I think if the 194 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 3: coach that comes in there in day one, he tells Trevor, 195 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 3: you're my guy. I'm gonna do everything in my power 196 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 3: as I'm building this team to make sure that I 197 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 3: do right by you. But in turn, here's what I 198 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 3: need from you. Leadership, work, ethic, toughness, all that which 199 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 3: he already has. If you can create that relationship, you'll 200 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 3: see the best Trevor that you can see. Because I 201 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 3: love the kid, I love the guy that he is. 202 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 3: I think he has to have someone that pours into 203 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 3: him and challenges him to point to the team and 204 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 3: give back to the coaches the same way. 205 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's gonna be an interesting point of 206 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: who they can go out and find who can hopefully, 207 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: and let's be real, it's hard to have a chance 208 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: when you don't have any stability. So let's hope that 209 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: they get it right. Not only because I want Bucky 210 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: to watch good football weekend and week out he's on 211 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: the broadcast, but I want it for Trevor. I want 212 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: some continuity there to see what he can do. 213 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 2: The parallel that. 214 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 3: I was making is Trevor Lawrence reminds me of what 215 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 3: Jared Golf was when he first stepped into Detroit. I 216 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 3: think it's a very similar project. I think the same 217 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 3: things that have Jery Golf get up and going would 218 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:19,319 Speaker 3: be the same things that we had Trevor Lawrence get going. 219 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 3: So it's not only the coaching, is the construction of 220 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 3: the team. When you're looking with Jerry Golf benefit offensive line, 221 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 3: run game, dynamic weapons around him. And much like Jared, 222 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 3: Jared can be vocal or whatever, and Jarrett Trevor can 223 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 3: be vocal, but that's not their normalm. 224 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: That's not his nature. 225 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 3: You need to surround them with guys who already have 226 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 3: the dog in them. So it's less about him getting 227 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 3: them ready. It's more about him matching their competitive energy. 228 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 3: If you have that, then you have a lot of success. 229 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 3: But I think it's very similar to the Jerry Golf 230 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 3: project when Jared arrived in Detroit years ago. 231 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's a big challenge ahead of the Jags 232 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: right now. Get this thing right and there are some 233 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: good pieces there on that roster, and see if they 234 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 1: get the thing up and running. Let's get to a 235 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: couple of hires here. We mentioned him there just for 236 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: a second. Ben Johnson going to the Bears. I thought 237 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,079 Speaker 1: it's a great I mean, I have press conferences, it 238 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: doesn't matter. I've seen guys win, win and lose. Press 239 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: conferences really don't have anything to do with whether you're 240 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: gonna be successful or not. But I liked what I heard, 241 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: and specifically I like the fact that he talked about 242 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,079 Speaker 1: this is not my offense from Detroit, and we just 243 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: dropped the playbook off for these players. We take this 244 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: thing down to the studs, you know, want to study 245 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 1: our quarterback, what he likes, what he doesn't like, and 246 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: we're going to build both the playbook and the roster 247 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 1: around him. And I thought that was pretty smart. That 248 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: shows a humility and not the arrogance of this is 249 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: what these are magic plays. I'm just going to drop 250 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: him in here and we'll go win games. 251 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 2: DJ. 252 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 3: One size doesn't fit all when it comes to quarterbacks, 253 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 3: and really when it comes to a team, just because 254 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 3: you had success one way in Detroit doesn't mean that 255 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 3: you can replicate that success in Chicago. You have to 256 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 3: look at what you have, meaning you have to do 257 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 3: a deep dive on the roster that you inherit. You 258 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 3: have to look at what you could potentially act quickly, 259 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 3: and then you have to build it out with a 260 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:03,959 Speaker 3: quarterback in mind. That's one thing that I learned from 261 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 3: coach Hombren during my time with him in Green Bay 262 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 3: as a player, but also working with him in Seattle. 263 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 3: It is about the quarterback and it's about meeting the 264 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 3: quarterback where he's at, but pushing him to get to 265 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 3: where you want him to go. And with Ben Johnson 266 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 3: coming over, I would say the thing that impressed me 267 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 3: the most was when he stepped into the building and 268 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 3: he talked to everyone in the building and he challenged 269 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 3: everybody that the culture is about serving the players. How 270 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 3: can we best serve the players? And then it was 271 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 3: about building the culture of the team. We can talk 272 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 3: about the fancy x's and o's, but we know if 273 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 3: you listen to the conversation coming out of Chicago after 274 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 3: the dismissal, they talked about needing, discipline, structure, culture, all. 275 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 2: Of those things. 276 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 3: Before we can even think about the xes and o's. 277 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 3: You got to get the right Jimmies and Joe's, and 278 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 3: then you got to put them in the right environment 279 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 3: for them to be at their best when it's time 280 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 3: to take the field. 281 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm looking at the free agents for the 282 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: Lions because we've talked about it with dan Quinn, right. 283 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: You know, dan Quinn took guys he was familiar with 284 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: and guys that fit, and so I'm looking through there. 285 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: First of all, Teddy Bridgewater in a backup capacity, someone 286 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: who could love it right. The offense would be an 287 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: interesting one. Marcus Davenport was hurt Carlton Davis, you know, 288 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: on the other side of the ball, So that doesn't 289 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: really relate as much. Going through the rest of these guys. 290 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: Here a lot of defensive players for the Lions that 291 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: are up. Tim Patrick on offense is a potential someone 292 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: Dan Skippers up. Let's see who else we got here? Oh, 293 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: here you go, this is the one. Kevin Zeitler. Oh yeah, 294 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: Kevin Zeitler is a need for the Bears at guard 295 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: come in and give them an immediate upgrade. He knows 296 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: the system and he can spread the gospel. He can 297 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: spread the Ben Johnson gospel. So if I was going 298 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: to make one prediction off free agency, off of one higher, 299 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: I would say, Kevin Zeitler to the Bears, and you 300 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: weaken a team in the division. 301 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 3: On top of that, yeah, and I think some of 302 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 3: those defensive players depending on who he hires as his coordinator. 303 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 3: Remember they talked about Dennis Allen. Dennis Allen who was 304 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 3: the defensive who's the defensive back coach? And the Dennis 305 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:14,959 Speaker 3: Allen in New Orleans for a long time. Aaron Glenn 306 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 3: College teammates. So if you want some of the you 307 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 3: can have some of the secret sauce by bringing some 308 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 3: of those Detroit players. If Dennis Allen is installed, as 309 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 3: you're coordinated, there will be some similarities in carryovers that work. 310 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 3: But yeah, I look, I think in Chicago, and he 311 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 3: talked about it being a sleeping giant, I think the 312 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 3: number one thing that Chicago Bears have to do is 313 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 3: they have to figure out who are they in terms 314 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 3: of their identity and how it relates to this division. 315 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 2: This division is. 316 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 3: Tough Detroit, Minnesota, Green Bay. There's a certain way that 317 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 3: you have to play to be able to knock off 318 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 3: your division rivals. 319 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: But yeah, I think. 320 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 3: Bringing over some cultural enhancers, guys that know the culture 321 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 3: and want to do it, I think you certainly can 322 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 3: benefit from that. 323 00:14:57,680 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 2: In Chicago. 324 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: I mean, look, just right right out of the gate, 325 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: they've just made to hire all the different guys that 326 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: they had available to them. I thought, and we'll see 327 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: how it goes, but I thought this was the perfect 328 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: hire for them. Man, for a multitude of reasons. I 329 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: just think this is going to give you, you know what 330 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: it's going to give. It's going to give you a 331 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: chance to evaluate Caleb, and Caleb did some great things 332 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: last year and I still one thousand percent believe in 333 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: Caleb's ability, but he needs he needs to be coached. 334 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: He needs to be coached hard, which I believe Caleb 335 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: even said yeah and Craves that he's gonna need that 336 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: because he's got to clean up some stuff and then 337 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: he needs somebody to continuity wise so they can grow together. 338 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 3: And I will say this like people don't get it 339 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 3: twisted when you look at Ben Johnson with the play card. 340 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 3: I have heard that when it comes to the quarterback, 341 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 3: he coaches them hard. And that is going to be 342 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 3: really important that the guy who's the quarterback coach is 343 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 3: a buffer between him and Caleb at times because he 344 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 3: is going to demand that Caleb is precise and consistent 345 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 3: in all of the things that. 346 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 2: Are really important about quarterback. 347 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 3: But I also love this because as much as people 348 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 3: talk about Ben Johnson and the other stuff, right, normally 349 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 3: when we talk about play callers in those things, it's 350 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 3: always about the passing game. I think it's his understanding 351 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 3: of the running game and the need to run the 352 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 3: football and how it opens up thing for the quarterback 353 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 3: in the passing game. To me, that's really where the 354 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 3: secret sauce is. Canda Bears establish a physical presence on 355 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 3: the ground with a dynamic running game that makes the 356 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 3: game easy for Caleb when it comes to throwing the ball. 357 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 2: All those things work in the place. 358 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 3: But yeah, and Johnson's going to coach Caleb hard, and 359 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 3: so you just have to understand that when you're Caleb 360 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 3: that he's going to challenge you so you can grow 361 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 3: and become the player that many envision you becoming. 362 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: Chicago picks ten in the draft. They also have an 363 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: extra second rounder from Carolina, so they picked ten, thirty nine, 364 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: forty one seventy two, So four picks in the top 365 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: seventy two. And as you know, next week we will 366 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: start I've got a mock draft coming out this weekend 367 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: or Monday, and then I just coming out next week, 368 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 1: so we'll start getting into the draft class and that'll 369 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: be a heavy portion of the pod as we transition 370 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 1: to spring here. But I think, what early, look at 371 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: this thing. You want to go get some interior offensive 372 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: line help, you can find it. You want some some 373 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 1: edge rush defense to add to what you already have. Bam, 374 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: it's out there, So uh, you want to get a 375 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 1: running back with some big time juice to compliment you know, 376 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 1: DeAndre Swift. You want to throw back? There got you like, 377 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: there's there's there's ways to help this team. So I'm 378 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 1: I'm excited. I'm excited about for this transition when we 379 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:36,400 Speaker 1: start getting into the draft stuff a little bit more. 380 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: But before we go ahead. 381 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 3: No, think I think you're onto something in terms of 382 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 3: the dynamic running back. I think his experience coming from 383 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 3: Detroit with the two running back system, I think you 384 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 3: definitely want to kind of carry that over when you 385 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 3: get on Henderson. 386 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 1: Sorry, maybe maybe yeah something. Anyways, let's take a quick break. 387 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: We have we have a couple more moves we need 388 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 1: to talk about. We'll do that right for this, all right, Buck, 389 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 1: we talked about this. You know, he was going to 390 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 1: get a job, and we were excited for it because 391 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,640 Speaker 1: we both felt like he was ready. Someone you've known 392 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: for a long time, someone I've respected from Afar. I 393 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 1: love the Jets hire Aaron glenn Man. 394 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, so ag getting the gig and so not only 395 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 3: are we classmates in terms of the draft, but we've 396 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,120 Speaker 3: done so many different things together. So watching him grow 397 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 3: not only as a player, but then watching him grow 398 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 3: as a coach. 399 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 2: DJ. 400 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 3: We had a chance to coach together at the opening 401 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 3: years ago, and I can tell you right now the 402 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 3: things that you've seen on Aaron Glenn and Aardox, that's 403 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 3: who he is man. He coaches hard, he is not 404 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 3: afraid of confrontation. He understands the importance of culture. But 405 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 3: here's what I will say about Aaron and ag why 406 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 3: I'm really optimistic about it working. If you know his 407 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,959 Speaker 3: story about how he got into the business after playing 408 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 3: very successful made a lot of money playing as successful 409 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 3: business ventures outside of it, but he started at the 410 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 3: bottom DJ when it came to it, started as a 411 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 3: scout dis some scouting on the road, made his way 412 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 3: as an assistant dB coached and a dB coach before 413 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 3: becoming a coordinator in those things. And he was very 414 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 3: intentional about the way that he went about it because 415 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 3: he wanted to learn all aspects of the process in 416 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 3: the organization. Now he has an opportunity to be a 417 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,439 Speaker 3: head coach. Remember Aaron Glenn played for Bill par Sales 418 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 3: in New York. He has an edginess to him that 419 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 3: is very reminiscent of what Bill par Sales brought to 420 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 3: the Jets when he quickly flipped him from being a 421 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 3: one to fifteen team to a team that made. 422 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 2: It to the AFC Championship Game. 423 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 3: Just like Dan Campbell also worked up in the Bill 424 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,199 Speaker 3: par Sales, there's wanted to be an edginess to this 425 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 3: team because it's going to be built in a blue 426 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 3: collar fashion. And yeah, they got to find a quarterback 427 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 3: and all that, but at least he inherits a defense 428 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 3: that has some pieces where you can win on one 429 00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 3: side of the ball. You have some intriguing weapons on 430 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 3: offense that you can build around Breesaw, Garrett Wilson, some 431 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 3: of the other young guys that you've added to the 432 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 3: offensive line. To me, the Jets need a strong identity 433 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 3: and they need a strong coach that's gonna stick to identity. 434 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 3: So I think there's a lot that he can bring 435 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 3: as a first time hey coach in New York. 436 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: I just I think the toughness and the tenacity that 437 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: you you hit on it. And look, they got to 438 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: try and get the quarterback things squared away, but this 439 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 1: roster and everybody knows, you know, my relationship with Joe 440 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,719 Speaker 1: Douglas and it didn't work out there. They didn't win 441 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: enough games, and Joe would Joe would admit that there's 442 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: a lot of talent on that roster. They have a 443 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: lot of pieces in place, and I think getting kind 444 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: of the right leader there with Aaron Glenn, if he 445 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,199 Speaker 1: can get the right the right staff, and they can 446 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: just have a good offseason and you know, a good 447 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: offseason Buck and they have enough. They have enough to 448 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: win ten games. Man. 449 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 3: But I think, but I think the New York just 450 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 3: need to embrace who they are. Like we talked about, uh, 451 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 3: the team being reflective of the city. Look, the Jets 452 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 3: have to get out of this business of feeling like 453 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 3: they have to be this high flying, explosive offense. They 454 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 3: need to be a gritty, blue collar team. They need 455 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 3: to embrace the city. They need to be a team 456 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 3: that when they've been at their best, that's the kind 457 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 3: of teams that they've had, physical, rough, rugged, tough, all 458 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 3: of those things. And I'm not saying that there has 459 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 3: to be a throwback team that we saw play in 460 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 3: the eighties, but they need to embody some of the 461 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 3: toughness that you see in Western New York with the 462 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 3: Buffalo Bills, because for all the things that we get 463 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 3: excited about the offense of the Buffalo Bills. When you 464 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 3: really break them down, they are a reflection of the 465 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 3: city of Buffalo and Sean McDermott. They are a blue 466 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 3: collar team and you're gonna have to outwork them and 467 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 3: outlast them to beat them. The Jets are going to 468 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 3: have to do the same thing, and the pieces are 469 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 3: in place there, and I think with Aaron coming over 470 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 3: from Detroit and seeing how they did it in Detroit, 471 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 3: I think the blueprint is very familiar. Also know this, 472 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 3: Dan Campbell played in Detroit, so it was really special 473 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 3: to him to rebuild Detroit. Yeah, Aaron Glenn being drafted 474 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 3: and playing in New York, it will be very personal 475 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 3: to him to make sure that he gets this team 476 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 3: up and going. 477 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: A couple more things here. Josh McDaniel is going to 478 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 1: be the O C, which I like that familiar to there. 479 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: With Mike Vrabel, I think I think he'll I think 480 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 1: he'll marry well with Drake may So. I like that hire. 481 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: I think there's continuity in uh in in the relationship 482 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: between the head coach and the coordinator. I'm all for 483 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: that and making a consistent messaging all that stuff. They 484 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: believe the same things. I like that move. And then 485 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 1: the one I want to get to you on is 486 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: spy Tech. So John spy Tech guy we've known forever 487 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: who's really really good in personnel and has been around 488 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 1: some great organizations including UH, you know, winning a super 489 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: Bowl in Denver and then spending a bunch of time 490 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: in Tampa winning a super Bowl there, but also had 491 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: spent time in Philly. He's been in Cleveland, He's been around, 492 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: but I wanted to go to UH. And this is 493 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 1: with Jason Light and spy Tech both having spent time 494 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: in Philadelphia a part of their journey. 495 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 2: UH. 496 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: You know Jason's you know, got super bowls from from 497 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,919 Speaker 1: New England as well, and was a part of a 498 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: you know, a great group there in UH in Arizona. 499 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 1: But the the foundational of UH like core beliefs here 500 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 1: with with spy Tech, I was looking through the draft, 501 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: so think about Philly. What does Philly do every year? 502 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 2: Bucker line? 503 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 1: So I was like, you know what, Well, let's see Tampa. 504 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: Let's go through Tampa's last first round picks. Twenty four 505 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 1: Ramparton center, Elijah Kntsey de tackle Pittsburgh, Logan Hall De 506 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 1: tackle Houston, Joe Tryon, Shoenka now defense and then Washington 507 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 1: Tristan Wurf's tackle Iowa like every single year, not hard. 508 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 1: Hard Man talked about it hard. 509 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 3: You invest in the line of scrimmage, it always gives 510 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 3: you an opportunity to. 511 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 2: Win, and win at the highest level. 512 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 3: You want to beat people up at the line of scrimmage, 513 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 3: and even when you're great, because let's be honest, like 514 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 3: Tampa wasn't a great team because they had a lot 515 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 3: of injuries, but because they could dominate the line of 516 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 3: screamers DJ to win a division, they go to the playoffs, 517 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 3: I mean, and they represent themselves very well. And in 518 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 3: this league that is super competitive and parody is really paramount. 519 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 3: You just want to have an opportunity to get to 520 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 3: ten every year, and that's what you're able to do 521 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 3: when you invest in the trenches. 522 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: This feels like to me. And think about also Tampa 523 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: finding that interm you know, quote unquote bridge quarterback. They 524 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 1: hit a home run on with Baker who ended up 525 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 1: being more than a bridge quarterback. Spy tech going with 526 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: Tom Brady in with the Raiders and where they're picking 527 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: in the draft, they're not going to reach for a quarterback. Buck, 528 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 1: they're going to take an offensive lineman or a defensive 529 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,360 Speaker 1: lineman in the first round, and then they're gonna turn 530 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: around and they're gonna ask Tom Brady to do his 531 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 1: homework on all these middle tier quarterbacks. Whether that's Kyle McCord, 532 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: whether that's Will Howard, whether that's Jackson Dart, whatever your 533 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: flavor is. But that's a great assignment for Tom Brady 534 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: as you're you know your new part owner is the 535 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,120 Speaker 1: greatest quarterback of all time. Tom, can you find us 536 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 1: one on Day two? Find us a quarterback that we 537 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 1: can just rock with for the next couple of years 538 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: until we can get the guy that we ultimately love. 539 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 3: And so and and we say this every year, but 540 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 3: I really want people to if you're a Raiders fan 541 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 3: and you opt in for that approach, I think it 542 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 3: requires a long range thought process for the fan base 543 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,360 Speaker 3: to not get overly excited or not get too. 544 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 2: High or too low. 545 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 3: If the mid range quarterback that you're leaning on doesn't 546 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 3: give you franchise quality play right away, it could be. 547 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 1: A veteran too. That's why I'm getting too too. It 548 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: could be a better veteran. 549 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 550 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 3: So as you're building this out. We've seen it. Man, 551 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 3: it's more important to get the team right. So, as 552 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 3: we've talked about, you can drop the quarterback in because 553 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 3: the franchise quarterback isn't then every year the franchise quarterback 554 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 3: is not going to be available in the draft through 555 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 3: free agency. So you got to figure out a way 556 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 3: to build your team. And the best way to build 557 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 3: your team is to take the assets available to get 558 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 3: you enough blue chip player so you can win the game. 559 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's I just think, man, you can't go wrong. 560 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: Like if you just if you just keep building up 561 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, building up the line of scrimmage, 562 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: it's like a field of dreams, right if you build it, 563 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Just build that up, build 564 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 1: that up, and then you're gonna it. Ditch buys you 565 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: time to find that right guy, Don't force it. That's 566 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 1: gonna be what this draft is about to me at 567 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 1: the quarterback position is who's going to force it? Who's 568 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 1: gonna try and force somebody a little higher than they 569 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: should and who's going to be patient? Say you know what, 570 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: we're gonna try and build this thing up and then 571 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: we're just gonna go boop drop him in right after 572 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 1: it's all built. 573 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 2: Oh, I mean that. 574 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's so much of it, Like the 575 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 3: importance of being able to get the right guys and 576 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 3: make sure that you build the team the right way. 577 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 3: And as you talk about Spot taking his experience building 578 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 3: in Tampa line of scrimmage, there are a lot of 579 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 3: line of scrimmage guys that you can lean on in 580 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 3: this draft. So win it out one on the front 581 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 3: line and to give you a chance to come out 582 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 3: of the draft with some people that can help you 583 00:26:58,760 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 3: right away. 584 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,160 Speaker 1: Yep, it's gonna be fun. Good for him too. He's 585 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 1: he's worked for a long time. He's a good dude, 586 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 1: very well respected. So excited for him. Excited to see 587 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: who the Jets are going to hire is their general manager. 588 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: Excited to see the Jags are going to hire as 589 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 1: their GM. So, uh, you know, it's a Bargonzi got 590 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: the GM job. I don't know if we congratulated him yet, congratulate. 591 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 2: About Yeah, Yeah, that's great for him. 592 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: Who's been who's been at it for a long time 593 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 1: and has I always feel like, you know, we say 594 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: all these guys are respected, and people say you say 595 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: that about everybody. Well, yeah, because it's hard. It's hard 596 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 1: to stay in this thing for a long time and 597 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: work your way up and wait your turn, and uh 598 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,640 Speaker 1: and good for them. Always excited for guys to get 599 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: that chair. 600 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 3: Look, man, eighteen years is a long time to play 601 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 3: your trade, and so is the patience and the persistence 602 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 3: to keep doing it and working, uh, doing the best 603 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 3: job that you can do in the role and responsibility 604 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 3: that you have until someone gives you an opportunity to 605 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 3: do more. 606 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 1: So congrats to him. Can't wait to see what it 607 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 1: looks like. Yeah, No, excited for him. All right, Well, 608 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,400 Speaker 1: this is fun. We got a chance to jump into 609 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: some of the changes that have taken place, and more 610 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 1: changes coming. We'll have those for you. And and we're 611 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: getting ready to shift off into draft gear into and 612 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: it's gonna be full speed ahead buck as we as 613 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: we go into the offseason, I will say, man, if 614 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 1: you need a defensive tackle, defensive end, you need a 615 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: running back, you need a tight end, you're gonna love 616 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: this draft. Man. 617 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 3: So it's so funny. We always talk about the league 618 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 3: coming full circle. We're back to the line of scrimmage players, 619 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 3: We're back to old school football. Being in play, and 620 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 3: some teams are gonna have to like take advantage of 621 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,479 Speaker 3: those players that are available until they can find some 622 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,120 Speaker 3: of the marquee pieces that you definitely want down the lock. 623 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,679 Speaker 1: Yep for sure. All Right, that's gonna do it for 624 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: us today. We appreciate you guys hanging with us. We 625 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 1: will see you next time right here on movie sticks.