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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hello, Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the show. My name is Matt, my name

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Speaker 1: is Noel. They call me Ben. We are joined as

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Speaker 1: always with our super producer Paul Mission Controlled Decade. Most importantly,

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Speaker 1: you are you. You are here that makes this stuff

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Speaker 1: they don't want you to know now. Typically we ease

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Speaker 1: into the topic of a given episode, but there's a

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Speaker 1: lot at play in today's show, so we're going to

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Speaker 1: dive right in. If you have been paying attention to

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Speaker 1: the news lately, or even just on Twitter, or even

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Speaker 1: the Corona virus. Like the two thousand and nine H

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Speaker 1: one and one also known as swine flew and other outbreaks,

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Speaker 1: the world has watched with increasing concern and outright panic

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Speaker 1: as experts and politicians alike wonder whether there is a

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Speaker 1: Flew back in two thousand and nine, some people also

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Speaker 1: allege there is more to the story. So today's question

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Speaker 1: what is going on? To answer that, we have to

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Speaker 1: first ask ourselves what is the corona virus? So here

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Speaker 1: are the facts. Now, this is a bit of a

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Speaker 1: tricky one. It includes some facts that the mainstream media, honestly,

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Speaker 1: as we have noticed in our research here, needs to

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Speaker 1: The first thing we need to know is that there's

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Speaker 1: more than one of these things called a coronavirus, and

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Speaker 1: coronavirus is um also known as c o V. That's

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Speaker 1: big sea, little oh, big V. They're a pretty big

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Speaker 1: family or viral infections, viruses that are responsible for everything

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Speaker 1: from the common cold, too severe acute respiratory syndrome or

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Speaker 1: stars as you've also heard about in the past in

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Speaker 1: there's zoonotic and this is just a fancy way of

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Speaker 1: And this is where you'll hear a lot of stories

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Speaker 1: were perhaps unfairly blamed for uh the plagues swept through

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Speaker 1: fact it was the fleas gastardly fleas. It so, but

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Speaker 1: in a I'm not exactly sure how you it's not

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Speaker 1: because we do have proof that at least some coronaviruses

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Speaker 1: thorough investigations revealed that Stars came to humans directly from

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Speaker 1: civic cats. Civic cats c i v e. T are

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Speaker 1: virus to walk through. This timeline was first identified in Wuhan, China. Wuhan,

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Speaker 1: When Leong is a Chinese ophthalmologist at Wuhan Central Hospital

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Speaker 1: and on January three, just last month, the Wuhan Police

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Speaker 1: are a person, no judgment, who, for one reason or

429
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Speaker 1: another digs through the poop of strangers or even people,

430
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Speaker 1: you know, stop, what about your own? Is that? Okay? Uh?

431
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: You know? Then it's just a feedback loop. If you

432
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Speaker 1: get coronavirus or COVID nineteam from your own poop, you

433
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: already had it. Or if you're working in an in

434
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: an industry that unfortunately just does deal with feces in

435
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Speaker 1: some wave waste treatment. Yeah, exactly, It's just something to

436
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Speaker 1: keep in mind. So what happens when you get it?

437
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 1: This is this is the issue that is one of

438
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Speaker 1: the big questions. There's an unknown incubation period, as we

439
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: earlier alluded to, get fever, difficulty breathing, impaired liver and

440
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: kidney function. Then your kidneys will fail, you will have

441
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 1: a severe cough, you'll have pneumonious symptoms. This leads us

442
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:57,199
Speaker 1: to some scary questions what's next. Just like the game Pandemic,

443
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 1: when there are fears of a real life endemic, nations

444
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: across the planet takes steps to mitigate the spread of

445
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: this infection. In games, you'll see nations closed down their

446
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,719
Speaker 1: borders or they closed down ports that is already happening.

447
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: You'll also see people panic because this is real life,

448
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: and people are of course are going to be very scared, right,

449
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: be frightened. So more and more people are concerned. The

450
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: public is not getting the whole story exactly. So the

451
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: big question here is whether or not there's some kind

452
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: of official conspiracy that is either known or unknown across

453
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: the globe occurring. Right now, here's where it gets crazy.

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Speaker 1: First answer, yes, absolutely, conspiracy um somewhat successful one which

455
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 1: is terrifying, and it existed in the beginning. We can

456
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 1: prove there was stuff they don't want you to know.

457
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Speaker 1: The Chinese government, which is not particularly known Lord Priest

458
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: for its subtlety, clamped down on the situation immediately, and

459
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Speaker 1: we pretty much have proof of this from Dr Lee.

460
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Speaker 1: The Wuhan police actually made Dr Lee sign Dr Lee

461
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: by the way, this is this gentleman from the beginning

462
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 1: of the show who was chatting with colleagues alerted them

463
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: to the potential for this version of the of the

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Speaker 1: coronavirus um. They made him sign a letter of admonition

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Speaker 1: promising not to mention the infection ever again. The police

466
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: warned him that if he failed to uh take his

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Speaker 1: lumps from I mean, let's think about that. Letter of

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Speaker 1: admonition is basically a fancy way of saying I'm sorry,

469
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: I did a bad thing and I won't do it again. Right,

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00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,719
Speaker 1: it's an apology. Yeah, you're being admonished, you're signing it,

471
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Speaker 1: you're admitting to wrongdoing, and you're supposedly going to learn

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Speaker 1: from this and move on. And they said if he

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Speaker 1: did not do this, if he did not learn from

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Speaker 1: his mistakes and continue to violate the law, which was

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Speaker 1: I believe against rumor moongering. Yes, then he would be prosecuted, right,

476
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: and that kind of prosecution could be anything from detainment

477
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: to a fine too of course jail time and uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, he could also just disappear. He could just disappear.

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00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: So we want to keep this in. I just want

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Speaker 1: everybody to know that we paused for a second, Matt

481
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: because you had to cough, right, Yeah, Well I didn't call.

482
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: It was like a clearing of my throat. I noticed

483
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: last time I spoken to the mic. It was like, hey, yeah,

484
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Speaker 1: that's what we're doing. We're also kind of in a

485
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: bit of an unventilated sweatbox right now. So if you

486
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: had something pretty sure, we'd all be sharing that with you.

487
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: I have been hanging out with my new pet, pangolin

488
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Speaker 1: little boy. Here we go. I told you, man, what,

489
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: it's just like, it's a scaly like mammal. It's crazy.

490
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Speaker 1: It's like a hard Parker ant eater. Well, you know,

491
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Speaker 1: Armadilla's or can carry leprosy, so I guess it's we

492
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: had to choose one. Yeah, but that's the you didn't

493
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: get the combo did you. Yeah, my penguin. He had

494
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Speaker 1: a little sister that he was hanging out with, and

495
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,479
Speaker 1: like his sister just happened to be a you know,

496
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Speaker 1: it's it's all good, guys, It's fine. The platypus is next.

497
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: The platypus is next. If we if we survive, well,

498
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: Paul can maybe buy the platypus because he is rocking

499
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Speaker 1: his brand new stuff. They don't want you to know

500
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: branded has Matt suit. You know, look good man, you

501
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: look great. You really do a good illumination. Global really

502
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: came through with the striping pattern. You don't expect it

503
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Speaker 1: on a has Matt suit. No, And they really always

504
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: come through when the chips are down. They know when

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Speaker 1: they're needed the most. Yeah. Do they engineer situations where

506
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: we do need them? Maybe? Maybe, But again, it's just

507
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: the warm feeling of knowing they're always there. Can't bite

508
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: the six fingered hand that feeds you, you know. But

509
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: but you're you're right. I think we are trying to

510
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Speaker 1: be a little bit lighter because this is such a

511
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Speaker 1: serious situation. After he signs this letter, Dr Lee goes

512
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: back to work. He's in this hospital more and more

513
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: inexplicable cases of mystery pneumonia and these strange symptoms are

514
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: are surfacing or presenting in patients. He contracts the virus

515
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: on January seven. On January one, he goes public. He

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00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: tells people about his experience at the police station on

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00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: social media. His post goes viral. Users across first China

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Speaker 1: and then the Chinese speaking sphere, the diaspora, and then

519
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: later people across the world are saying, whoa why did

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00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: the doctors? Lee is the most famous one, He's not

521
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Speaker 1: the only one. Why did these doctors who tried to

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Speaker 1: warn people get immediately silenced by the authorities? To wit?

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Speaker 1: Why did the Chinese government conspire to just to stop

524
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Speaker 1: the spread of the news about this? Unfortunately, Dr Lee

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00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: is no longer with us. He passed away this month

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Speaker 1: on February seventh. The Chinese state media first reported his

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Speaker 1: death earlier than the seventh, then they deleted the post,

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00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: then they reannounced his death with a new date. If

529
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: you already don't trust the government, that's not suspicious at all, Right,

530
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: then what would you think when you hear that he died?

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Speaker 1: J K psych but not psych. They must have scheduled

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00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: the post. Oh no, it's really it's um no, I'm

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00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: not coming like really it feels on the surface really scary.

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Speaker 1: And I had I had this thought last night when

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00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: I was when I was thinking about this. It does

536
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: remind me of we've talked about this before on this show.

537
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Speaker 1: When a publication will make a you know, will craft

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00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: the like for every famous person or you know, someone

539
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: who was big in the media at that moment, way

540
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Speaker 1: before they ever died. That's different. This guy wasn't famous,

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Speaker 1: I know, I well, he was in you know, he

542
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: was becoming very much well known. He was probably one

543
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Speaker 1: of the most well known people there for a couple

544
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: of days. Just the viral thing god as viral social media.

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Speaker 1: L Yeah, yeah, it's not lost on me saying that.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know, I had that thought. I I

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Speaker 1: don't want to like say that's what happened, but well,

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Speaker 1: you know, the I can I can believe that because

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00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: you know the famous story about the moon, right the

550
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: moon launches, So every time there was an exploratory mission

551
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: sent to the Moon that had people on it, there

552
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: were two speeches written for the president to deliver. The

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Speaker 1: President of the United States. One was if people made it.

554
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: The second one was if people died yeah, you didn't

555
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: talk about the third one. What's the through one? Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, come on, if the extra terrestrials, like if

557
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: they were going to actually talk about the extra terrestrials

558
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: that they encountered, that was like a contingency third plan.

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00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: I think you can get that if you have the

560
00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: presidential Patreon, because apparently everything is for say all now, sweet,

561
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: I'm giving all of that, But these allegations though, it

562
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: makes sense right for the reasons you just outlined. Did

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00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: they schedule it? Was it a contingency? This guy died,

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00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,439
Speaker 1: This guy and and and hundreds of other people were

565
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: dying at this time, probably more in the order of thousands.

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Speaker 1: Allegations of a cover up on the side of the

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Speaker 1: Chinese government continue. Over the weekend. Fellow named s Young,

568
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Speaker 1: who was a prominent legal activist in China, went dark.

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Speaker 1: This was after he accused the leadership of China, especially

570
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Speaker 1: She's him Ping, of covering up the extent of the outbreak.

571
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Speaker 1: The authorities detained him and then he spent and this

572
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: was after he spent about two months in hiding. His girlfriend,

573
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Speaker 1: who is also an activist on social media, went missing

574
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Speaker 1: later that weekend, and we have a quote from The

575
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: New York Times about this situation. The activist is the

576
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Speaker 1: latest critic to be caught up in MR. She these

577
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 1: far reaching efforts to limit dissent in China. The crackdown,

578
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: which has ensnared scores of activists, lawyers, journalists and intellectuals,

579
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Speaker 1: is likely to intensify as the ruling Communist Party comes

580
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: under broad attack for its handling of the coronavirus outbreak,

581
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Speaker 1: one of its biggest political challenges in years. No, I

582
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Speaker 1: just want to point out for context is important. I'm

583
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Speaker 1: not defending the I'm not defending the actions of the

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Speaker 1: government here, but I do want I do think it's

585
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 1: necessary for us to understand where they're coming from. This

586
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: is a country, like the FSR, that has been very

587
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: concerned and at times rightly concerned with foreign interference in

588
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: its affairs because you know, there's this idea that we

589
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: must project strength abroad geo politically, and then if we

590
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: do not, then this may be seen as an opportunity

591
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: to interfere with our other ambitions. So we want to

592
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: look like everything's fine domestic pale. Also, China has a

593
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: very uh difficult proposition to maintain domestic stability for the

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Speaker 1: domestic population of China and the current governing structure to

595
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: remain stable. The average person in China has to feel

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00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: like they are making a good trade off by giving

597
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: up certain individual rights for the chance to have greater

598
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: economic prosperity. That is, like the pride, one of the

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00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: primary domestic concerns of the country and its leadership. But now,

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00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: if it looks like the places being racked by an

601
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: infection of plague or something, then what's to stop rival

602
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 1: powers from swooping in, especially in very sensitive areas like

603
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: the borders or let's say what China calls the South

604
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: China see where they're literally building islands, right, what's to

605
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: stop that from going south? There's a very real concern there. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Do you have to agree with why they perpetrated to

607
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: cover up, which again they did. It's a conspirat seek

608
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: another theory. You don't have to agree with them, but

609
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: you can understand why they did it. And Uh, like

610
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: most cover ups, this just made the problem bigger. This

611
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: cover up just like made things way way worse. Twenty

612
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: four countries have diagnosed infections now, and the overall numbers

613
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: are just going up from there. Most of the cases

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00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: still are in tourists from China or people who had

615
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: recently been in China. But increasingly countries are reporting cases

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00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 1: um of secondary spread UM. We talked about those super

617
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: spreaders earlier. We're gonna get into that a little bit

618
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: as well, that secondary spread being cases where a person

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Speaker 1: who hadn't actually traveled to China contracted the virus from

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00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: someone who had. Some of those secondary cases are spreading

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Speaker 1: the virus as well. And and like we said I

622
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Speaker 1: mentioned at the top of the show, a big problem

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Speaker 1: now is a lot of even the scientists that are

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00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: studying this thing, because of that unknown incubation period or

625
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 1: something that's now that's outside of that even there are

626
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: people that have it for and don't are asymptomatic, right,

627
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: and so they don't know that they have it unless

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00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: they have reason to be tested for it. UM. One

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Speaker 1: of the most dramatic moments of this story to me,

630
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: or at least in terms of like something you could

631
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: wrap your head around, is that cruise ship that was

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00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: quarantine in Japan, the Diamond Princess UM. I think it

633
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: was for something like how how long was it? I

634
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: mean it ended up being like, you know, several weeks

635
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: of folks not being able to leave their quarters, which,

636
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: as we know in cruise ships are pretty tight. Um.

637
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 1: And then the argument becomes, why are you keeping me

638
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 1: on this ship where we know people have this disease

639
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 1: and the quarters are so tight. Get me the hell

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Speaker 1: out of here. Quarantine me, sure, but quarantine me and

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Speaker 1: my home. You know, it's an interesting question, right. It

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Speaker 1: almost seems like these people are like on it. They

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Speaker 1: were referring to it on interviews I heard with some

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Speaker 1: of the folks who were still all the ship at

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Speaker 1: the time as a doomed ship. Um, that's a really

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Speaker 1: dramatic image to me, just living in that kind of situation. Well,

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Speaker 1: while while we're here, just really quickly there is there

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Speaker 1: is a harrowing story you can read about a man

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Speaker 1: and a woman, a couple. They're a bit elderly. The

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Speaker 1: husband is I believe, a physician, and he was watching

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Speaker 1: the quarantine occur. He was in quarantine with his spouse

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Speaker 1: in their cabin on the Diamond Princess, and he was

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Speaker 1: observing the quarantine like as it was going out, and

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Speaker 1: he noticed that the staff members were making rounds. So

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Speaker 1: like the same the same couple of staff members would

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Speaker 1: be feeding everybody at once, like going and taking food everywhere,

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Speaker 1: and that staff member is interacting with every single room.

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Speaker 1: So if one room had somebody with a coronavirus and

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Speaker 1: acts someone who was symptomatic, and you know, we said

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Speaker 1: that one point eight meters, if that occurs, then that

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Speaker 1: person gets sick, then that person interacts everybody. Uh. It

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Speaker 1: was just this harrowing thing because his wife actually contracted

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Speaker 1: it from the day they were supposed to disembark. And

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Speaker 1: that's one of those moments to where that realization is, oh,

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Speaker 1: this is bigger than me as a person. They don't

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Speaker 1: actually care about me. This is about me potentially affecting

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Speaker 1: the world at large. And then you just become like

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Speaker 1: a cog. It's sort of like being in the system,

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Speaker 1: like the prison system or something where you no longer

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Speaker 1: have rights as it were, and you're basically just okay,

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Speaker 1: you're at the mercy of the government here, right. But

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Speaker 1: the argument then on the other side is very it's

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Speaker 1: very much an argument about the needs of the many

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Speaker 1: versus the needs of the few. Like if I it's

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Speaker 1: saying you don't have a right to hold me here,

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Speaker 1: could be you know, if you just flip the coin.

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Speaker 1: It's very easy to say, do you have a right

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Speaker 1: to endanger seven plus billion people? You know? And with you? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And the story about Kent and Rebecca Fraser is is tragic, right,

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Speaker 1: But the the idea of a quarantine itself, as brutal

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Speaker 1: as it is, is saying, you know, cut off a

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Speaker 1: piece to save the whole. If you gave most people,

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Speaker 1: if you gave most people a terrible choice, and you

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Speaker 1: said you can lose one of your hands and live

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Speaker 1: where you can die, I'm not gonna put decisions in

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Speaker 1: anybody's head or words in their mouths, but I'm confident

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Speaker 1: that quite a few people would decide to live life

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Speaker 1: as one handed person. Yeah. I certainly get the utilitarian uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, motivations there. I think the problem is that

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Speaker 1: they were refused, you know, to disembark in so many

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Speaker 1: different places where it feels like there could have been

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Speaker 1: a facility created in a PR move, you know, even Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about when Cambodia opened their borders for

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Speaker 1: the m S Western Dam, another cruise ship that had

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Speaker 1: people on board you tested positive for the viral, the

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Speaker 1: viral infection, and uh, I just remember reading about that

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Speaker 1: as a PR it felt like a pr move. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, many residents or passengers on the Diamond Princess

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Speaker 1: received iPhones courtesy of the Japanese government because it contained

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Speaker 1: and it wasn't so much a pr thing. These phones

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Speaker 1: had a specific app that allowed people to check in

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Speaker 1: with doctors or confidence with them. They were also trapped

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Speaker 1: on a boat with a disease, so I don't know

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Speaker 1: if an iPhone makes people feel better about that. It's

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Speaker 1: good to have the medical um the avenue to seek

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Speaker 1: medical attention or consultation of some sort. At the same time,

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Speaker 1: at the same time, as you mentioned very quickly that

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Speaker 1: I was in Japan uh when it had almost it

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Speaker 1: almost traveled to China or to the Korean peninsula in

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Speaker 1: my continuing quest to get into the d p r K. However,

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Speaker 1: didn't go to China, didn't go to either Korea this

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Speaker 1: time around, and there there were legitimate fears and parts

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Speaker 1: of Japan about the spread of virus, since there had

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Speaker 1: already been some cases of infection there, and since again

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Speaker 1: we don't know the incubation period, and we don't know

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Speaker 1: what the supercarriers may or may not be doing. So

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Speaker 1: you can see at this point now we've already found

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Speaker 1: one proven conspiracy. It is in the It is on

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Speaker 1: the part of China's government. But what about the other conspiracies?

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Speaker 1: There are several, and some of them have some sand

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Speaker 1: to them. What do we mean. We'll find out after

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Speaker 1: a word from our sponsor, and we're back. Other conspiracies.

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Speaker 1: Long time listeners, you'll recognize if you if you follow

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Speaker 1: the structure, the folklore of conspiracy theories and the tropes,

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00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: you'll recognize some, um, some old favorites. Turning these are

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00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: common from any other pandemic, uh, any other widespread infection

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Speaker 1: or fear of a epidemic, plague, et cetera. The first

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Speaker 1: one is what if this is a manufactured disease? Directly,

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Speaker 1: what if the Chinese government purposefully spread this infection for

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Speaker 1: one reason or another. Sounds like a fringe tinfoil hattery?

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Speaker 1: Uh not. Two members of the US Congress. Yeah, Tom

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Speaker 1: Cotton is a Republican senator from Arkansas. UM actually suggested

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Speaker 1: quite recently that the virus had originated in the Wuhan

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Speaker 1: P four lab, which is a high security biochemical laboratory

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Speaker 1: in Wuhan. UM Specifically to this, he said, quote, we

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Speaker 1: don't have evidence of this disease originated there. But because

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Speaker 1: of China's duplicity and this honesty from the beginning, we

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Speaker 1: need to at least ask the question to see what

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Speaker 1: the evidence says. In China right now is not giving

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Speaker 1: evidence on that question at all. This is really fat standing.

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Speaker 1: It points to a couple of things. I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: obviously we're in a very adversarial relationship with China right now,

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Speaker 1: but we also kind of have to play nice with

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Speaker 1: them because of the you know that the back and

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Speaker 1: forth on trade and all of that stuff. We're so

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00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: inextricably connected and extric stricably connected, but like you know,

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Speaker 1: our president has has made some inroads into being a

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Speaker 1: little more bullish with you know, trying to quote unquote

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Speaker 1: you know, keep China on lying with all these tariffs

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Speaker 1: and all that. And so there's a there's sort of

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Speaker 1: a distrust more so than maybe in past with with

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Speaker 1: the Chinese government. And this is a pretty good example

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Speaker 1: of uh, kind of stirring the pot there a little bit.

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Speaker 1: You know, obviously this is complete conjecture and saying I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't put it past them, but he's just saying it's

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Speaker 1: worth exploring, and we don't have any evidence to this

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Speaker 1: at all. I don't believe that was definitely what I

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00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: gathered from the several interviews he's done where he's brought

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Speaker 1: this up. Um, we should say that he did later.

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Speaker 1: And this is so weird because it's only days. We're

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Speaker 1: talking about days in between these things happening. But he

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Speaker 1: did after the statements kind of walk back what he

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Speaker 1: had said previously, this side this idea that it was

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Speaker 1: some kind of weapon that escaped from this other lab.

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Speaker 1: And I just really quickly want to say I did

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Speaker 1: a quick um check on Google Maps just to see

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Speaker 1: like the distance between the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which

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Speaker 1: is the you know, supposed place where it could have

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Speaker 1: escaped from, as well as the Wuhan, South China seafood

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Speaker 1: wholesale market, the wet market where it supposedly began that specifically,

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Speaker 1: the P four lab. The yeah, the P four lab

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Speaker 1: at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, and it is across

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Speaker 1: the Yanks River, so you'd have to go across the

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Speaker 1: bridge there to get there, and it's also about thirteen

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Speaker 1: and a half kilometers away in the quickest route that

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Speaker 1: takes about thirty thirty two minutes to drive, so one

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Speaker 1: thing that is fascinating about Cotton statement. I find this

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Speaker 1: stuff cowardly when you're an elected official to hide behind

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00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: the idea of I'm just saying, I'm just I'm just saying,

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Speaker 1: do you have any proof, Senator, do you have any evidence? Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying you can't trust them, which was essentially

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Speaker 1: what that argument was. So it was right and was

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Speaker 1: correct to, as they say in the political sphere, walk

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00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 1: that back. But it's too late. You can't screw the

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00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: lid back on Pandora's jar. This story was already an

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Speaker 1: other international media outlets. The Daily Mail, famous UK tabloid

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00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: covered it. The Washington Times covered it, both suggesting the

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Speaker 1: virus was being developed as part of China's biowarfare program,

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Speaker 1: which they definitely have. Just I'm just gonna go on

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Speaker 1: record there and say that outside of the EU, most

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Speaker 1: countries that can afford to develop some sort of BioWeb

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Speaker 1: and research are going to do it. Your country is

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Speaker 1: not special, Your country is not especially evil nor especially good.

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Speaker 1: If it does so, the money just got too good

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Speaker 1: in the place building. But I I this, I'm honestly

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Speaker 1: wondering why you would exclude the EU there because I

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Speaker 1: I think it's probably happening there at least two you know,

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00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 1: in some ways sure, but not under EU auspice individual

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00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: countries in the EU maybe. But also you know, this

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Speaker 1: stuff happens under the guise of we're learning to protect ourselves.

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Speaker 1: We never hurt anybody. That's why we call it the

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00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 1: Department of Defense. Huh now we're welling in is that anyway?

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Speaker 1: Experts generally dismissed the idea that this was man made,

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Speaker 1: that uh c o V nineteen was man made. The

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Speaker 1: scientists you study it's say it does resemble stars and

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00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: other viruses that come from bats. It's contagious, But so

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00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: far it appears to have a demographic by which we

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Speaker 1: mean people are more likely to die from the infection

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Speaker 1: older people with pre existing chronic health issues. Why is

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Speaker 1: that important? Uh, well, elderly people are with chronic health

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Speaker 1: issues already have a tough life. But this also means

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Speaker 1: that if you were making a bioweapon and you wanted

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Speaker 1: to kill people, you would want to kill people who

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Speaker 1: can reproduce. You would want to kill people who are

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Speaker 1: young and in the prime of life and fighting age basically,

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00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 1: and a fighting age exactly. So this doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 1: It's it's similar to when people would say people would

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Speaker 1: argue that HIV was purposely manufactured. It takes forever to

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Speaker 1: kill people. It's just if if it was manufactured, then

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Speaker 1: the person manufacturing it should have been fired because they

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Speaker 1: did a terrible job. There you go, well, and the

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Speaker 1: other thing here to bring up is why would you

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Speaker 1: release a scary bioweapon into your own borders in order

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Speaker 1: to start an outbreak their hold on just a second.

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Speaker 1: That's an excellent question. But hold on just a second,

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Speaker 1: because we have to we have to bring in one

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Speaker 1: of my one of my favorite reporting outfits here bonus point.

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Speaker 1: Alternate version in the manufactured conspiracy theory is what if

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Speaker 1: the virus was manufactured not by China, not by the PRC,

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Speaker 1: but by Western powers. This concept is popular in Russian media,

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Speaker 1: which blames the US. There's a there's a national TV

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Speaker 1: network called Channel one First of Creativity. They've even started

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Speaker 1: a recurring slot dedicated to coronavirus conspiracy theories on their

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Speaker 1: main uh their primetime news program, which is Rima or

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Speaker 1: it's it's um Russian time, part of my pronunciation. So

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Speaker 1: the reporting is interesting because it's again it's that cowardly.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying kind of stuff. They'll have people come

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Speaker 1: on and ostensibly debunk a theory about us involvement in

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Speaker 1: coronavirus and then leave a little little to ease a

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Speaker 1: little just twisted the knife there and saying, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe maybe um kind of sounds like this show, but

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Speaker 1: not really. Well, we try to we try to prove

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00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: stuff and be honest when we can't do it. But

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Speaker 1: here's here's one of the things, just for an example

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Speaker 1: where their thought processes, they talk a lot about the

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Speaker 1: name of the virus and how that somehow implicates the

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Speaker 1: current president. Oh yeah, because of the word um corona

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Speaker 1: actually or or in Latin means crown. Right. This is

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Speaker 1: the concept that somehow like it's a it's very much

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Speaker 1: connecting dots like conspiracy board stuff. At least this one

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Speaker 1: is I feel like it's very much reaching. But you know,

852
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Speaker 1: teach their own what what what's going on? How how

853
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 1: does the name of this connect? Well, just the just

854
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 1: the concept that because corona means crown in in both Latin,

855
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: uh in Latin and in Russian uh, that Donald Trump

856
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: is somehow involved because he used to do this little

857
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: thing I don't always remember it. Uh, what do they do?

858
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: It's where all of the contestants parade around scantily clad

859
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 1: and then they get they win something. Um, you're thinking

860
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: of the Apprentice, You're maybe you're right, I was thinking

861
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 1: of Beauty Paget's. The one was that Miss America? Or

862
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: is the universe bigger than Miss Americas? Always confused by

863
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: those I like the regional ones. Give me miss Southwest

864
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:34,720
Speaker 1: North region of Ohio or miss uh Miss Combine, Harvard,

865
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: John Deer Combine, Harvester any my favorite too much? The

866
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: talent section this universe too much? My favorite Partners where

867
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: they have to answer impossible questions in thirty seconds. Whether

868
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: they're like people are starving, how do you feed them all?

869
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: Where it's like people should have right to self determination

870
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 1: but also shouldn't hurt others? How do we solve that

871
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: philosophical quandary? Like thirty seconds? Go? Yeah, well, I don't

872
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 1: have time to answer that question. Now. It will be

873
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: my life's work to take this question and find an answer. Dude,

874
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: that's the best answer I've ever heard of that can

875
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,760
Speaker 1: they say that that's great, that's great, but so okay

876
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: they call it coronavirus because Donald Trump used to preside

877
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 1: over beauty pageants and oh yeah, and what would he

878
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 1: do at the end of those? He would give the

879
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: winner a crown or a corona. Uh, I'm kiddy, wasn't

880
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 1: that cool? I didn't give me a corona? The beer?

881
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: So they'll also this Russian channel Channel one will also

882
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 1: interview experts who claimed the virus was created by either

883
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 1: the US government, pharmaceutical companies, or both cooperating together. Now,

884
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,280
Speaker 1: I would say if it if it is a manufactured disease,

885
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: it makes more logical rational sense to me that it

886
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: would be some kind of enemy creating it and releasing

887
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 1: it in into the wild, unless it was an out

888
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 1: and out accident, right, And that's where we go to

889
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: this this other uh, this other idea. What if it

890
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: was not purposely propagated, but people made the best of

891
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: some bad lemonade and said, okay, this is an opportunity

892
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: to take care of some problems that we already had.

893
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 1: For instance, like the majority of us listening today are

894
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: not actually in China, right, We're not in Hong Kong.

895
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: When is the last time since since December? Think carefully,

896
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 1: when's the last time you heard news about the Hong

897
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: Kong protest. When's the last time you heard about those

898
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: weaker detainment camps, which are still very much around, very

899
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: much a real thing. It's been a while for people

900
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 1: who think the government may not have created the virus.

901
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,720
Speaker 1: There's this argument they jumped on the event to shift

902
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: the news away from those two huge stories. And we

903
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: have to just to remind you, incredibly violent, dangerous protests

904
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: in Hong Kong and the weaker population there in Western

905
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 1: China is still being detained in camps where their organs

906
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: may be harvested, while women in the community who are

907
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: not detained in those camps are forced to share their

908
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: homes with members of the ethnic Han majority. That is happening.

909
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: Both of those events carry conspiracies of their own, but

910
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 1: those two things are still very much happening. And we've

911
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: seen how this actually has had an effect on clamping

912
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: down on free I was going to say free speech,

913
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 1: but on people speaking out even about this event that's

914
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 1: occurring with the with the outbreak. So it does seem like, well,

915
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: if something terrible like this is happening, you could control

916
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 1: the communications even further exactly, and you know there are

917
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 1: other people who are arguing this point, there's this is

918
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 1: an interesting character. Uh, this is a person of which

919
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 1: I was not with which I was not terribly familiar.

920
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 1: But it's my favorite way to describe someone episode. How

921
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: cool would it be to be described this way? Fugitive

922
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:57,720
Speaker 1: Chinese billionaire while long We claims that he predicted China

923
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 1: would somehow manufacturer crisis if not the virus. Fugitive billionaires.

924
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: That makes me think of your character, the astronaut with

925
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: a secret. Yes, Max powers up with the secret, thank you.

926
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about Hodgeman. Oh yeah, deranged billionaire. Oh yeah,

927
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 1: I forgot John was on the show. Yeah he said

928
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 1: right there in Uh yeah, and I've I've never washed

929
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: that pair of that pair of pants that I wore

930
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 1: the day after that. Since I don't wear them, I

931
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: framed them. Oh yeah, it's called them my Hodgman pants.

932
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: Yeah it's cool. You know you're gonna have some framed,

933
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:37,760
Speaker 1: framed fame pants on your walls. People know you're legit

934
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: lovely two thousand nineteen, Hodgeman Hodgman Vintage. So what it

935
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 1: was me sniffing the pants they're up on the wall,

936
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 1: and yeah, just sniff of the frame Anyway, Yes, what

937
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 1: did this dude say? He said, And he said, I

938
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: said a year ago that the Chinese Communist Party might

939
00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 1: create a massive humanitarian crisis or natural disaster or a

940
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: pandemic before it dies. And he adds. On a wall

941
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,399
Speaker 1: at the entrance to the Wuhan P four lab that's

942
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: inside the institute Matt you mentioned earlier, there's a slogan

943
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: and it says, when you step into this building, you

944
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 1: enter into Pandora's box. I don't think a fugitive billionaire

945
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: is the best source for things, but I mean, if

946
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: you're a fugitive billionaire, you can get into a P

947
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 1: four lab if you really want to. So, I mean

948
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: that's the biggest thing, you know, at that level of wealth,

949
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: the biggest thing you get is access to other people.

950
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: But he is a fugitive, which means he's probably not

951
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 1: getting in on the other side, you know what I mean.

952
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: The two Well, a fugire, his tender profile is complex

953
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: really uh So, also we have to we have to

954
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 1: say that he clearly is not the most unbiased source.

955
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: He probably has some some skin in the game and

956
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: some ulterior motives, some Vendetta's, some grudges, some ambitions, But

957
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: so do we all? Right now, the current Chinese quarantine

958
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 1: is the largest in human history, full stop, no caveats, no, no,

959
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: like Little Asteris and fine print. It's the biggest quarantine

960
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 1: that has ever happened. It really is, and it's um

961
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 1: it's terrifying. I can I can only imagine how terrifying

962
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: it is to be within that quarantine because you know,

963
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 1: we are feeling relatively safe here in Atlanta right with

964
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: the c d C very near us, thinking, oh, we're

965
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: gonna be okay, they'll fight this thing, everything's gonna be fine.

966
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: In the game pandemic, Atlanta is actually home base where

967
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 1: you get your first free research station because of the

968
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: c d C. Well, I'm just saying that when you

969
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 1: think about and try and put yourself in that position,

970
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 1: or if you read some of the personal stories that

971
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 1: are you know, coming out of people who are actually

972
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 1: in Wuhan's with the eleven million people that are there,

973
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 1: it just really makes you makes you realize, how, I

974
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: guess I don't mean to put this on myself or

975
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 1: on ourselves, but how lucky we are that we are

976
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 1: not currently dealing with what they are having to deal with. Yeah,

977
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 1: the US has its own things to deal with that

978
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 1: are not as uh as nakedly life threatening. Yet, so

979
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 1: we brought up this number eleven million people, and you're

980
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: probably saying to yourself, Wow, the largest quarantine in human

981
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 1: history is eleven million people. That sounds smaller. I guess

982
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 1: things aren't as bad. Well, guess what. It's not just

983
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 1: eleven million people, because it's not Wuhan. It's an estimated

984
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: fifty six million people. They're locked in this city, they're

985
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 1: locked in others. They have no transport in or out.

986
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,919
Speaker 1: Schools are shuttered as our many public services and businesses.

987
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: People have curfews. Some people have been inside apartment buildings

988
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:52,479
Speaker 1: as the doors are welded shut. And this makes us ask,

989
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 1: given that the government has a mechanism that can control information,

990
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 1: what if there's something happening behind in those quarantine lines.

991
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 1: What if there's ethnic cleansing, like what's happening with the

992
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 1: weaker population. What if this is just a convenient time

993
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 1: to route out some dissidents. You know, they went to

994
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 1: the hospital, they disappeared. Oh they have a blog. Didn't

995
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 1: know that anyway? Dropping the bucket. As cold as that sounds,

996
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 1: and maybe as maybe as um conspiratorial as it sounds,

997
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 1: it would be an opportunity to get rid of elements

998
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: that were unwanted. Perfect time, it would be the perfect time.

999
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:34,479
Speaker 1: There's not proof, but it would be the perfect time.

1000
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 1: And this leads us to the conclusion, at least for

1001
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 1: our episode, but not for this story. It's not yet

1002
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 1: a pandemic, and because the majority of cases have still

1003
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: occurred in China. But as we said earlier on January,

1004
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 1: who declared this a public health emergency. This declaration was

1005
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 1: mainly due to concern that, you know, like we have

1006
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, that the virus gets spread to countries that

1007
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 1: have weaker health systems, and one I wish we have

1008
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 1: more time today, but there's a there's a fascinating and

1009
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:13,919
Speaker 1: terrifying story of the secret coronavirus crisis occurring in DPRK,

1010
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 1: North Korea. Because it has um you know, it's primary

1011
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 1: contact with the rest of the world is is illegal

1012
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: operations on the border of China and North Korea. It

1013
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 1: has no real health care system to speak of. Uh,

1014
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 1: there's rampant poverty, malnutrition. What I'm saying is people already

1015
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 1: have weakened immune systems. This this thing could well be

1016
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 1: going through the country like a biblical level plague. We

1017
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 1: know there's a little bit of evidence of how terrible

1018
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 1: it is because it did not, for the first time

1019
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 1: in history since the formation of this country, it did

1020
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: not stage the parade in central Pyongyang, uh during the

1021
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 1: seventy second anniversary of the found you know, the country's

1022
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 1: armed forces. They missed one of their biggest celebrations. I've

1023
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 1: always wondered. Then there's there seems to be a culture

1024
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 1: in China of wearing those protective masks in general. Just

1025
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 1: more so is why is that is that is there

1026
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 1: just is a sense of just being cautious. Is it

1027
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 1: like they think they're more prone to these types of

1028
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 1: beaus just a large country, or like I wonder where

1029
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 1: that culture comes from, because people don't really do it here,

1030
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 1: for example, at all, right, at least not yet. Yeah,

1031
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 1: in some cases you'll hear being explained, at least throughout

1032
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 1: that area of the world. You'll hear people say, well,

1033
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 1: I'm under the weather, so I wear a face mask

1034
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 1: that I don't transmit a disease. And then other people say, well,

1035
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 1: I wear a face mask of course because I don't

1036
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 1: want to contract one. But also we have to remember,

1037
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: this area of the world has more recent experience with

1038
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 1: dangerous outbreaks, so it's much more in the zeitgeist. That

1039
01:02:56,240 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 1: makes sense. I'm sure those masks were around after the

1040
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 1: so called Spanish flu swept through here. People would be

1041
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 1: wearing mask you know. Yeah, there was a story I

1042
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 1: heard about how you know, there were all those terrible

1043
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 1: fires in in Australia and a lot of masks were

1044
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 1: being sent to Australia by a Chinese company that you know,

1045
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: specializes in making these, and they had to stop doing that.

1046
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:21,959
Speaker 1: They had to divert them for their own country because

1047
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 1: there was such a massive demand for them they could

1048
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 1: no longer send them to Australia, and even then it

1049
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 1: was way below what the demand was for a country

1050
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 1: the size of China, where everybody really wants one of these. Now, well,

1051
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 1: hey guys, I'm gonna I think then this is just

1052
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 1: my suggestion here. I think we should cover this again

1053
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 1: and give it some time and then just do an

1054
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 1: update at some point, because what I'd like to do,

1055
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 1: if possible, is just say, like tell everyone what the

1056
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 1: numbers kind of are for today as we're recording this

1057
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 1: um and then maybe like some projections of what it

1058
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 1: what may happen, and then come back and cover and

1059
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 1: see where we are in like a month from now.

1060
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 1: And it goes back to my question at the top

1061
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 1: of the show, which, to Ben's point, it's a very

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Speaker 1: hard to answer. Where does this stack up in terms of,

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Speaker 1: you know, some of the other types of diseases that

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Speaker 1: we've seen in this part of the country. So where

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Speaker 1: are we right now in terms of the infection rate

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Speaker 1: and where do we see it going? Well, let's let

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Speaker 1: me give us numbers to address. I think both of

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Speaker 1: your blier statements there and that I agree we should

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Speaker 1: have an update. So Gabriel Young, who is the Chair

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Speaker 1: of Public Health Medicine at Hong Kong University, paints maybe

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Speaker 1: the most uh terrifying picture of the spread. He says,

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Speaker 1: if we can't stop this new coronavirus, this novel coronavirus,

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Speaker 1: it could infect a minimum of six of the world's population,

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Speaker 1: killing one and one hundred of those infected. That's a

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Speaker 1: death toll around fifty million people. Before you grab your

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Speaker 1: go bag and head for the hills, it's important to

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Speaker 1: understand that there's you know, like you said, and there's

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Speaker 1: a lot we do not know. About this virus. We

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Speaker 1: don't know if it's spreading at a more rapid pace

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Speaker 1: than coronavirus is of the past. All the experts don't agree.

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Speaker 1: You got named. Paul Hunter at the University of East Anglia,

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Speaker 1: UK thinks the coronavirus will kill fewer people than say,

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Speaker 1: the two thousand and nine UH swine flu, and he says,

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Speaker 1: you know, we might be wrong, though he's still hedging

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Speaker 1: his bets. There may be a vaccine on the way.

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Speaker 1: This may be the first time that we're able to

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Speaker 1: make a really effective vaccine while the outbreak is still spreading.

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Speaker 1: But when it goes to comparing this to other infections,

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Speaker 1: don't forget the regular flu. We know that there have

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Speaker 1: been cases of US citizens being you know, contracting the

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Speaker 1: coronavirus that we're talking about today, But these numbers pale

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Speaker 1: in comparison to the regular old influenza. Just way less

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Speaker 1: of a sexy headline, but as far as we know,

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Speaker 1: way more dangerous. There at least nineteen million illnesses, a

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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty thousand hospitalizations, and ten thousand deaths from

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Speaker 1: the flu so far this flu season. The death rate

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Speaker 1: for COVID nineteen appears to be higher than flu at

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Speaker 1: about two percent, which is pretty small, right, But again

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Speaker 1: that's what we know so far. You know, what do

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Speaker 1: you what do you think you think there's a To me,

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Speaker 1: it feels like that original conspiracy to repress what was

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Speaker 1: happening just led to the situation where now I don't

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Speaker 1: think you need an evil manufacturer. It reminds me of

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Speaker 1: Chernobyl and the way that was handled, or at least

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Speaker 1: the way it was traumatized in the in the HBO

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Speaker 1: mini series, which which was based on reality. They did

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Speaker 1: not acknowledge that there was a problem, and by not

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Speaker 1: acknowledging there was a problem, it spread and became a

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Speaker 1: global problem because this cloud of radio activity, you know,

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Speaker 1: could be carried outside of of the of the borders

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Speaker 1: of Russia, and that's the same with this, so you

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Speaker 1: you know, and it's hard to hold a foreign government

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Speaker 1: accountable or to take the task, specially one as massive

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Speaker 1: as China. But I don't know how you do that,

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Speaker 1: but it's it's it's it's pretty problematic when there suppression

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Speaker 1: and their tactics of like sitting on information like this,

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Speaker 1: uh and being such iron fisted arbiters of like information

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Speaker 1: that really affects the rest of the world. How do

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Speaker 1: you scold them for that? Like, how you know it's

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Speaker 1: it's it's tough also in a neighborhood of glass houses.

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Speaker 1: That's right. I just have to say, I think it

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Speaker 1: makes a load of sense that been what you're saying

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Speaker 1: about how important it is that the Communist Party in

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Speaker 1: China like keeps up the not the appearance necessarily necessarily,

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Speaker 1: but that the overall population is okay with the situation

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Speaker 1: that they're in. And if you have another pr hit

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Speaker 1: like this, oh gosh, another you know, viral outbreak is happening,

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Speaker 1: and maybe coming could have there could have been a

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Speaker 1: calculation there of well, perhaps this isn't a full break.

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Speaker 1: This is just a small thing that's being reported by

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Speaker 1: this you know, small group of doctors in this one area.

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Speaker 1: We don't need to alert everyone about this yet because

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Speaker 1: we don't want anyone to be scared. Um. That's if

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Speaker 1: you completely go Devil's advocate side and just say that

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Speaker 1: I know it is I'm just saying like I can

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Speaker 1: imagine that at least being part of the motivation early on,

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Speaker 1: and then it changing pretty quickly after that. And I

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Speaker 1: think that's well said. We're going to end it for today,

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Speaker 1: but we want the conversation to continue. What do you

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Speaker 1: think about the coronavirus c O v I D DASH nineteen.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that it was something purposely cooked up

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Speaker 1: in a lab? If so, was it accidentally released? Or

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Speaker 1: is this another another infection, another virus that spread the

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Speaker 1: way viruses have since time immemorial. Let us know. You

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Speaker 1: recommend our Facebook group. Here's where it gets crazy. If

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Speaker 1: you want to give us a call, you can call

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Speaker 1: y t K. Big shout out to everybody who has

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Speaker 1: been calling in and writing in and suggesting, suggesting we

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Speaker 1: make an episode on this. And one of you out

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Speaker 1: there called and left a message, and I called you

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Speaker 1: back and we talked about this for a while. So

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Speaker 1: thank you for learning me, uh personally and us to

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Speaker 1: some of the parts of the story we talked about today. Alright, Uh,

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Speaker 1: what else, guys? If you if you have any information

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Speaker 1: specifically about being affected by a quarantine somewhere, are you

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Speaker 1: know one's who you know someone who has been affected

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Speaker 1: by the coronavirus. We would love to hear from you,

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Speaker 1: just to know exactly how it's going. How you know,

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Speaker 1: a personal anecdote from what it's like to experiencing to

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Speaker 1: be experiencing that. Please write to us call us um.

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Speaker 1: or the phone, you could always write us a good

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