WEBVTT - Draft Show: Pro Days; Quarterback @ 4? 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:04.519 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys 0:00:05.400 --> 0:00:09.040 your war room for insider news and draft analysis from 0:00:09.080 --> 0:00:12.319 deep within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at Valley Ranch. 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:16.760 The Dallas Cowboys Select Byron Joe and now your hosts 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:22.079 Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us. It is 0:00:22.120 --> 0:00:25.080 the Draft Show from the s TOWBC Mortgage studios here 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:30.760 at Valley Ranch. Welcome you all to our weekly meeting 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:37.200 of gathering. Like we always talk about, gathering, the investigate 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:40.159 and then we educate. I always like to say that, 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:42.159 I know because one of my favorite things to do. 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:46.480 I know, So we do. Welcome everybody in forty eight 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:50.280 days until we get to talk about all this stuff 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:54.200 for real. And just when you think you have time 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:57.200 to look at a guy or two more, you really 0:00:57.240 --> 0:00:59.680 don't have time to look. We got Pro days going 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:04.720 in full swing right now. Clemson, Alabama, Ohio State all 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:08.480 completed this week, scouts all over the country feels I mean, 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:10.760 it still feels like we've just got back from Indy. Yeah, 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:12.320 I mean, like three or four of the biggest Pro 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:15.080 days of the year already happened or in Ohio States. 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:17.520 Case is happening right now. That is the truth. So 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:20.360 with all that I do welcome Dane Brugler from CBS 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:24.320 Sports and Dallas Cowboys dot Com, veteran of the Draft show, 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:28.280 war room guy in all rights. David Hellman of Dallas 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:30.560 Cowboys dot Com, trying very hard to learn how to 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:33.640 be a scout. I'm doing my best, doing his best. Garrison, 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:37.759 executive producer of the show. Today, He's going to handle 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:39.800 our calls that we're going to take later in the 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:42.400 day at eight eight eight eight five five two two 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:44.800 nine seven. You could see it on the screen right there. 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:49.120 Once again, very grateful to have the new camera, angles, 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:52.040 the graphics, things that we can plug in to make 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:56.320 this show better and more enjoyable for the fans. We 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:58.840 encourage the fans to participate. We're gonna have Twitter on 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:01.240 the twenty today and then I also want to take 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:04.240 some of your calls. We have free agency as as 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:07.080 we've talked about, or as everybody knows going through right now. 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:10.200 Might jump into that a little bit today, but first 0:02:10.200 --> 0:02:13.080 I want to get into these pro days. And and 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:18.959 Dane and Dave your impressions. We were watching Ohio State 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:24.640 a little bit today. Alabama was yesterday Clemson talk about really, 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:29.480 what are these scouts in the final final stretch? What 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:31.160 are the scouts trying to get out of all these 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:34.160 pro days? I think, first off, it's interesting to see 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:36.839 which teams are present at the pro days and who 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:40.200 do they send. For example, Louisville had their pro Day, 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:43.000 what teams were there? Did they send their defensive line coach? 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:45.520 Did they just send a scout? And that part's interesting. 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:49.040 They kind of trying to see if these teams would 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:51.440 give a tell about who they're looking at. But it's 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:54.440 pro day like Ohio State, you know, good luck because 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:57.480 with the amount of prospects they have their point. It 0:02:57.560 --> 0:03:00.280 was basically a marathon today. Over there in Columbus Um 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:03.799 they have a notorious fast track so downhill runners exactly, 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:06.520 and Braxton Miller ran a four three. All of these 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:09.000 scouts add probably a tenth of a second, sure, maybe 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:11.320 a little bit more to these times. So I want 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:12.840 to get too excited. I think what we're seeing with 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:15.440 these pro day so far, a lot of the top 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:19.720 prospects are resting on their times from the combine and 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:22.120 they're just doing positional workout. And that's Dave one of 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:24.639 the reasons why these guys do work out at the combine. 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:26.960 If you get a guy that can fly a little 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:29.639 bit or has a good workout, you know, maybe hey, 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:30.960 all I have to do is show up and do 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:33.600 some positional drills for these coaches. Yeah, it kind of 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:36.800 reminds me of Blackjack, Like, you know, you get a 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:40.720 seventeen or eighteen, You're like, no, I'm good. No, maybe 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:42.680 hit like a fifteen. You're like, all right, I'll go, 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:46.040 I'll run it pro day. Braxton Miller ran today. It's 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:48.040 kind of we we made a big deal about how 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:50.720 disappointing it was combine. He got he got under four 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:53.960 four today, Right, it is a fast track. But still, 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:57.720 I mean that that's impressive. And on the opposite side 0:03:57.760 --> 0:04:00.480 of things, Derrick Henry had a great combine and pretty 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:03.840 much opted out of everything Atabama's on Wednesday, But he 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:09.040 dropped my pen. He did he did pass catching drills 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:11.200 right at Alabama just to kind of give people a 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:13.280 look at that. Yeah, I think it's really and I 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:17.120 think Dane makes a great point. This is an opportunity 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:20.479 for these teams to send coaches and there maybe not 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:23.599 so much the scouts. Scouts go in there and collect 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:27.360 the numbers. That's really the most important thing. In fact, 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:29.680 you do have a player too that didn't have a 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:31.919 good time. Maybe you want to get a better time. 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:33.840 Maybe a guy you felt like was going to do 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:37.200 more reps on the bench. It looked like Bosa today 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:40.360 improved his numbers. You know, maybe not as strict the 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:43.640 scouts are. They pay attention, but at the combine, I 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:45.520 mean it's a lock in, you know, I mean it's 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:48.400 it's maybe at the workout you get a little bit 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:49.960 of a bounce, a little bit of it, you know, 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:53.200 you get a few more reps. So those numbers always improved. 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:56.719 But scouts they're getting the numbers. Teams will send the coaches. 0:04:56.760 --> 0:05:00.719 Like you say, now, earlier in the week, Noah Spence 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:04.680 didn't have many people going to work out or go 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:08.040 to his workout, And I think there's a reason for that. 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:11.919 Noah Spence did everything at the combine. There's some teams 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:15.719 that will not send scouts and coaches if they felt 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:19.440 like that everybody that they were satisfied with the workout. Again, 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:22.520 the advantage of working So don't read into that too 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:26.640 much that people are thinking any less of Noah Spence. Right, Hey, 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:29.400 if the scouts feel like and there's a determination. We 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:32.560 used to have meetings about this. We used to talk about, Okay, 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:34.440 how do we feel about this guy? Do we feel 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:37.000 player X? We feel good? Yes, we don't need to 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:40.279 do anything with him. So that's something don't don't always 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:42.320 read into that. And Spence is the type of dude 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:44.560 where the team likes him. Yes, they're going to bring 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:46.600 him in for a visit one of the thirties right, right. 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:48.360 And so because he's the type of guy that you 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:51.240 want to get to know, you want to sit him down, 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:53.520 talk with him. Yes, you want to see him work out, 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:55.560 but you want to get to know him as a person. Right. 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:57.880 So yeah, I would not read into that too much 0:05:57.920 --> 0:06:00.000 at all. Yeah. I think it's good though when they 0:05:59.839 --> 0:06:01.440 like you say, you have an Ohio State Day and 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:04.960 you have one hundred and thirty NFL coaches scouts working 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:06.719 out there. I think that's a good thing. And Ohio 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:08.719 State does a great job with the workouts. So there's 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:11.520 a lot of teams. You know, Florida State has always 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:14.080 traditionally done a good job. You know, Alabama has had 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:16.640 a nice pro day, but spread all about the spread. 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:19.200 Yeah that scouts love the spread anything free. You know, 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:22.040 count me in on that. Yeah, gave me three. But 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:24.720 you know, I just feel like this is the kind 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:28.080 of the final little piece of the puzzle. We've got 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:31.320 the combine, we've got the medicals, we're getting the final numbers. 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:34.320 Now we're gonna start building these draft boards and you know, 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:36.480 and you're getting that all together, and that's a good thing. 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:39.120 I want to get into some good news. If you're 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:42.760 a Miles Jack fan, you know, March fifteenth, we talk 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:46.240 about pro days. Miles Jack did not work out at 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:49.960 the combine, took the opportunity to stand up in front 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:52.080 of all of us talk about his plan. He's been 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:55.479 he's been looking at March fifteenth as that day he 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:58.440 got clearance. Looked like he got clearance for contact drills 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:01.800 from the UCLA doctors. Now, though, it's about going out 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:03.680 and working out. What do you think a kind of day, 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:05.880 What do you think we might see from Miles Jack? 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:11.040 It's a projection, right maybe if sometimes Tuesday, yeah, yeah, Tuesday, 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:13.520 March fifteenth. Where what do you think you're gonna see 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:16.080 from Miles Jack's crossing my fingers that everything goes well. 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:18.400 First and foremost, you want to see him be healthy. 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:20.160 You want to see him go out there and you know, 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:22.840 give it everything he has and look one hundred percent. 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:25.640 I think that's the biggest worry right now. There were 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:28.360 some teams that came away from the combine with question 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:30.760 marks about the knee, about the name. Its just a 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:34.640 long term stability as their cartilage issues you have to 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:37.600 worry about long term. But so for Jack, all he 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:40.880 can do is go to the Pro day and be 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:44.080 the athletic freak dad he is put up these numbers 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:47.040 and then go to the medical rechecks in April and 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:49.880 hopefully gets two thumbs up. And if all that happens, 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:51.960 Miles Jack is a top ten pick that we've been 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:55.320 talking about that the tape shows. But there's a lot 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:57.920 of steps to this process, a few more extra steps 0:07:57.920 --> 0:07:59.920 for him than some of these other players. Yeah day 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:02.720 if you know in Dane's right about Miles Jack. Though, 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:07.040 as far as a player is talking to people around here, 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:11.000 even though that they traffed Rolando, McClain still getting a 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:13.360 little bit of a vibe that Miles Jack could be 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:15.800 in play for a Dallas set four. We got a 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:18.520 lot of questions when Rolando signed on Wednesday that that 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:20.960 I guess Jack's off the boarder. I don't get that 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:22.920 at all. I'll get that at all either. I mean 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:25.559 it's the you draft a quarterback to sit behind Tony Romo. 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:27.360 I mean that's I mean, you're talking about a guy 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:30.200 who you would expect to be the best linebacker in 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:33.160 your defense for the next at least five, if not 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:36.400 hopefully eight to twelve years. So as much as you 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:40.479 hate to say Shaun Lee, you hope he plays sixteen years, Absolutely, 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:43.120 and just absolutely, you're taking the best player at four 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:45.520 for the long term, not just for Tilda. And then 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:48.120 I mean, Sean Lee gets hurt next year, he can 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:50.880 play Will Rolando McClain, he can play Mike. Yeah, he 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:55.200 can play Sam. He can play safety probably. I mean, uh, 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:58.160 and Rolando's on a one year deal. I don't care 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:00.920 at all that that Jack might have to have a 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:03.280 limited or a different role as a rookie. I don't 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:05.400 think that would stop them at all. Okay, I promise 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:07.960 people on Twitter that I wouldn't we wouldn't just focus 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:09.760 on the ones. But I want to ask you guys 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:12.679 some more questions about some of these guys. We'll play 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:14.480 a game a little bit later. Well, it's not a game, 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:17.040 it's a it's a it's an exercise. We'll get into 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:19.800 the Yeah, we'll get into the obscure. Yeah, I want 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:22.280 to We're gonna we're gonna have some fun with uh. 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:25.000 I call this tell me more. And this is where 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:27.320 Dave has got a list of guys and it's just 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:29.800 not first round guys, it's we we've done this before. 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:31.480 I don't think there's a first round guy on it. 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:33.360 Dane and I are going to go through and Dave 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:35.920 is gonna fire some names, and again I call this, 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:38.280 tell me more, and we'll learn a little bit more 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:41.480 about these guys are further down the board. But I 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:44.840 do I do want to ask you though about there's 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:47.400 a lot of people out there that are lining up 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:51.280 with the Ezekiel Elliott camp as far as and I 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:54.000 don't know who deserves more credit for that, Lewis Riddick 0:09:54.080 --> 0:09:57.440 or us, Like, well, it's we're Lewis Riddick put it 0:09:57.480 --> 0:09:59.560 out there. We we we've talked about it much more. 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:01.600 But I will say this though, and I wanted to 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:05.680 ask the question because of Joey Bosa and what we 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:08.319 saw a little bit today on the NFL Network of 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:11.760 Joey Bosa, Dane, We've all done the tape on Joey Bosa. 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:14.000 I have my opinion on Joey Bosa. He has this opinion. 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:16.320 But I want to ask you guys, though, with the 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:18.640 way that free agency is falling, and I'll focus on 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:21.200 the Cowboys here right now, with the way the free 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:25.480 agency's focusing or falling for the Cowboys, is Joey Bosa though, 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:29.959 the lock pick for this football team if he's available. 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:32.960 It's hard to say, how can you? You can't say 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:35.320 a lot, you can't use the word lock. But I 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:37.640 think he's on the shortlist obviously. Yeah, And I think, 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:40.400 but has that changed for you guys in any I 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:42.800 would go as far as I would I would. I've 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:45.240 been saying at least for a month that I think 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:49.600 Bosa is one of about three guys that looks incredibly likely, 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:52.920 and these first three days of free agency have done 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:57.400 nothing to change, no change. I probably think even stronger now. 0:10:57.480 --> 0:10:58.960 I mean, if you put a gun to my head 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:00.760 and said I had to predict to their pick would be, 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:02.719 I would say Bosa. Yeah, Yeah, And that's kind of 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:05.960 what I've been saying too. Yeah a while. I've been 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:07.400 saying if he's still on the board of four, I 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:09.840 don't think he's on the board of five. He answers 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:11.320 a need. I think he's one of the top four 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:13.480 players in this draft. I think the only thing that 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:17.760 would not make Bosa a Dallas Cowboy is if Jalen 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:21.480 Ramsey's there. I think that creates some discussion about who's 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:24.720 the better player, which direction do they go. But besides 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:27.079 Jalen Ramsey, I'm not even sure they take a Miles 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:30.040 Jack over Joey Bosa. So and I love Zeke m 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:31.800 I think he's gonna be outstanding. I think he's gonna 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:33.960 be offensive Rookie of the Year next year, but I 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:36.439 don't think that this team takes him at four. So 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:38.760 you're looking at Bosa and look at free agency. Look 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:41.319 at how much money these free agent pass rushers are getting. 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:43.600 I'm saying, I mean, all thirty two teams are looking 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:45.880 for more pass rush you have a chance to get 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:49.200 And is he an elite pass rusher? No? No, You've 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:51.080 been fair about that, right, And people get turning up 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:52.760 on that. It's a top five and I'm guilty. I'm 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:55.280 guilty of kind of hammering the fact that I see 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:57.240 a very good player. I don't see a great player, 0:11:57.280 --> 0:11:59.520 and that's in there, and there's nothing wrong with that assessment, 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:01.559 because you know, I think the goal is to get 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:03.840 some pretty good football players. And I think people see 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:05.640 a top five pick and they want, I want an 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:08.360 elite future Hall of Famer. That's just not realistic, especially 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:11.120 in this draft class. I think Laramy Tunsel it could 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:14.160 be classified as maybe an elite type of player. Jalen 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:16.959 Ramsey's on that cusp, but there aren't many of those 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:19.000 types of guys in this draft. And I think Joey 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:20.640 Bosa is a very good player, and you know what 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:23.560 you're getting with them, I really think. I mean, again, 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:26.000 it's hard to predict, but even if Ramsey's there, I 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:28.319 wouldn't be surprised if Bosa's the pick. And you consider 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:32.200 you just spent a first round pick on on Byron Jones, 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:35.360 who can play to two spots in the secondary. You 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:38.480 have another pick with which to draft a defensive back 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:40.679 or I mean, many more picks, but thirty four is 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:43.880 the one I'm talking about, and I just think that 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:47.960 up well a the obvious need and then be you don't, 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:49.880 I mean, the upside is incredible. I mean, if Joey 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:52.880 Bosa does turn into I could be dead wrong about 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:55.320 Joey Bosa. And you know I'll be the first to 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:58.319 admit it that I'm wrong about him if he turns 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:01.839 out to be the an elite type of a player, 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:03.680 a rusher and all that, you know what I Hey, 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:05.880 I will stand in here and say all day, hey, 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:08.080 I missed the guy. But I mean I think that 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:11.640 I just look at the way it shakes out. You know, 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:14.320 you look at the Cowboys and what they've done. They've 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:17.680 you know, visited with Nolan Carroll here. You know, they're 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:20.240 looking at a corner. See, but there's and there's not 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:22.160 and I and I'm not gonna put words in your 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:25.880 mouth gain other than Bosa though. As far as pass 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:28.840 rush guys, you know how many guys are you really 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:32.600 talking about? I mean, we've we've talked about Spence, you know, 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:35.160 we've talked about but we've talked about loss in a 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:38.480 little bits. It's a good player, yes, you know, that's 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:41.880 Austin from Clemson Spence. I think I like him as 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:43.559 a pass rusher, but I think people will get so 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:46.680 or they focus on that he's a good pass rusher, 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:48.480 but they don't they forget the run part that he's 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:51.640 not a very good run to rid. Once blockers get 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:53.840 their hands on him, he's shut down most of the time. Sure, 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:55.880 So there's a lot of questions with no not even 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:58.560 touched the off field stuff. I'm terrified by the thought 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:02.760 of the Cowboys youngest and most talented pass rushers both 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:05.520 being three four linebacker types, which I mean, like I 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:08.480 thought last year that was Randy Gregory's best fit, and 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:10.720 I think that's no offense's best fit too. Yeah, and 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:14.040 I think that's fair assessment. The biggest thing with Bosa, 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:16.880 and it's I'm sure it's always been this way, but 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:19.320 I'm just kind of discovering it now, is how much 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:21.800 people are hung up on sacks. The sack number, right, 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:26.040 it goes so much deeper than that for these pass rushers. 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:29.120 If you're able to put pressure on the on the pocket, 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:32.520 if you're able to force the offense to bring an 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:34.880 extra tight end, an extra back to help chip you, 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:36.760 if you have if they have to game plan against 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:39.040 you as a pass rusher, you're doing your job even 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:41.160 if you don't get to the quarterback and finish the sack. 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:43.520 So I think we get so hung up or fans 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:45.560 get so hung up on the sack you know it 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:48.080 is guilty. Is he a double edges act? Yeah? I 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:50.200 don't mean that's what gets That's what gets guys paid, though. 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:51.960 I mean I get why people focus on it, but 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:54.680 it's all right, say Joey, they pay Olivier Vernon and 0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:57.320 he he's a seven and a half guy exactly. And 0:14:57.360 --> 0:14:59.080 I mean, say, you know, I do you tell me 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:01.640 that Joey Bosa has seven sacks as a rookie. That 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:03.680 tells me nothing. That tells me got to the and 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:06.560 he tackled the quarterback seven times, right, That doesn't tell 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:07.840 me how he was there? You know the rest of 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:11.840 the time that doesn't play against the run, right, I 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:14.640 mean he plays, He'll play a couple hundred snaps, and 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:16.720 seven sacks does not telling me the whole story. I 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:18.720 mean it sacks. It's it's great you want him to 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:22.000 have the double digit sack numbers fifteen seventeen, but there's 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:23.720 so much more that goes to a pass rusher than 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:25.760 just I think the thing that bothers me the most 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:28.920 is that at four you're just looking for that dynamic guy. 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:31.680 Of course you are, Yeah, you know you Okay, there's 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:33.560 a reason why you got the fourth pick. You're not 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:36.400 very good, sure, so go get somebody that can help 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:38.120 you not be four and twelve anymore. And I and 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:40.920 I think and that, I mean, the narratives are hilarious 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:43.640 because it's gone from like, well, for I mean, back 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:47.080 in January, was like Bosa's a beast. Now it's you know, well, 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:49.560 Bosa might not be special. Now it's like, good Bosa 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:51.720 away from me. I wouldn't touch him with the ten football. 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:53.800 Whereas when you think about it, I mean, and you know, 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:57.160 I I'm not in love with Joey Bosa. I'm the 0:15:57.200 --> 0:16:00.400 captain of the Zeke bandwagon. Blah blah blah. But you 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:03.400 bring in Joey Bosa, and I I mean thinking specifically 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:05.920 with the Cowboys, you know, and I know people are 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:08.520 disappointed that they didn't spend a boatload of money in 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:11.160 the beginning of free agency. But maybe you bring back 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:13.240 Jack Crawford, you get, I mean, they just brought in 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:16.880 Cedric Thornton. They're not done signing, They're not done signing people. 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:18.960 They're not going to be names that really move the needle. 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:22.680 But maybe you bring in another Jack Crawford type. Of journeyman, 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:26.840 serviceable rotational defensive end. You draft Joey Bosa, you get 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:29.960 Randy Gregory back, and all of a sudden, you've got it. 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:32.720 It's not amazing, but you can work with that. And 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:36.320 I do think Joey Bosa would be a reliable part 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:38.360 of that rotation as a Oh, there's no doubt about that. 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:40.720 Which and yeah, maybe he doesn't have ten sacks as 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:44.000 a rookie, but to Dane's point, which he's made countless 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:46.920 time has he has, Joey Bosa brings more to the 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:49.080 table than just being able to get sacks, which I mean, 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:52.120 you get caught up in these narratives and all of 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:54.520 a sudden you're telling yourself, you know the world's gonna 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:57.240 end if the Cowboys picked Joey Bosa. Really, I mean, 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:00.640 that's that's ridiculous. That's a little hyperball, like, yeah, the 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:02.880 Cowboys will be a better team with Joey Bosa. I 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:06.359 agree with go. I mean, you talk about Jalen Ramsey. 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:07.920 You know, so I was gonna ask you two about 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:11.919 Jalen Ramsey, and you know I that would be at 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:14.280 least let me ask you another scenario. Then really just 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:16.720 kind of popped in my head, what if Cleveland somehow 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:21.000 doesn't take a quarterback? Possible? What if Cleveland doesn't take 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:23.280 a quarterback Kaepernicks and Brown by the end of the weekend, 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:25.960 just well, they don't take a quarterback. Yeah, you're looking 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:27.320 at this team and I know, I know, I know 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:29.280 the Brown's like two of the guys, sure, and I 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:30.760 need to figure out which two of the guy two 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:32.919 of the three they really like. I know that for 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:36.800 a fact. Okay, and so let me but we got 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:38.800 to figure out what if? What if? What if the 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:42.440 quarterback does come and play at four and it is 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:47.040 and it is Bosa and a quarterback I really think, 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:50.560 but the quarterback has the higher grade. If you're asking 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:53.760 me for the most realistic options, I've been saying, it's 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:57.040 Bosa Ramsey. And then if the quarterback they like, if 0:17:57.040 --> 0:17:59.560 the quarterback they liked the most is there, I wouldn't 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:02.000 be surprised if that's the pick. I think those are 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:05.560 the three really realistic options. I'd still be surprised if 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:07.639 there's a quarterback at four. I mean, I when you're 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:11.400 looking at their quarterback, their quarterback, what if you're saying 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:13.199 you'd be surprised with the Cowboys picked one, or if 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:15.800 the Browns the Cowboys pick Okay, okay, I mean I 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:18.320 just when you're looking at the best four players in 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:19.919 this draft, I don't know how you can make an 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:22.640 argument that the quarterback is one of them. This team 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:24.840 has said they'll take a franchise quarterback if he's there. 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:27.040 I don't think they're going to see a franchise quarterback. 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:29.960 And there give you a scenario, a scenario that if 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:33.320 somebody's available, for somebody to come up and get because 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:36.160 everybody wants to trade back. Now everybody's like they're not said, 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:38.040 you know, everybody's going to get a little skittish on 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:40.000 me right now. If Goff is there at four, I 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:42.840 think that makes a world of sense, especially if San 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:47.280 Francisco does actually trade Colin Kaepernick away and if if 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:49.000 somehow I don't think it will happen, but if Laramie 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:52.560