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Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys

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Speaker 1: The Dallas Cowboys Select Byron Joe and now your hosts

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Speaker 1: Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us. It is

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Speaker 1: the Draft Show from the s TOWBC Mortgage studios here

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Speaker 1: at Valley Ranch. Welcome you all to our weekly meeting

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Speaker 1: of gathering. Like we always talk about, gathering, the investigate

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Speaker 1: I know, So we do. Welcome everybody in forty eight

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Speaker 1: days until we get to talk about all this stuff

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Speaker 1: for real. And just when you think you have time

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Speaker 1: to look at a guy or two more, you really

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Speaker 1: don't have time to look. We got Pro days going

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Speaker 1: in full swing right now. Clemson, Alabama, Ohio State all

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Speaker 1: completed this week, scouts all over the country feels I mean,

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Speaker 1: it still feels like we've just got back from Indy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, like three or four of the biggest Pro

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Speaker 1: Case is happening right now. That is the truth. So

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Speaker 1: with all that I do welcome Dane Brugler from CBS

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Speaker 1: Sports and Dallas Cowboys dot Com, veteran of the Draft show,

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Speaker 1: war room guy in all rights. David Hellman of Dallas

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Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com, trying very hard to learn how to

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Speaker 1: be a scout. I'm doing my best, doing his best. Garrison,

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Speaker 1: executive producer of the show. Today, He's going to handle

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Speaker 1: our calls that we're going to take later in the

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Speaker 1: encourage the fans to participate. We're gonna have Twitter on

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Speaker 1: the twenty today and then I also want to take

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Speaker 1: some of your calls. We have free agency as as

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Speaker 1: Might jump into that a little bit today, but first

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Speaker 1: I want to get into these pro days. And and

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Speaker 1: Dane and Dave your impressions. We were watching Ohio State

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Speaker 1: a little bit today. Alabama was yesterday Clemson talk about really,

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Speaker 1: what are these scouts in the final final stretch? What

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Speaker 1: are the scouts trying to get out of all these

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Speaker 1: pro days? I think, first off, it's interesting to see

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Speaker 1: which teams are present at the pro days and who

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Speaker 1: do they send. For example, Louisville had their pro Day,

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Speaker 1: what teams were there? Did they send their defensive line coach?

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Speaker 1: They kind of trying to see if these teams would

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Speaker 1: pro day like Ohio State, you know, good luck because

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Speaker 1: with the amount of prospects they have their point. It

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Speaker 1: was basically a marathon today. Over there in Columbus Um

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Speaker 1: they have a notorious fast track so downhill runners exactly,

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Speaker 1: and Braxton Miller ran a four three. All of these

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Speaker 1: scouts add probably a tenth of a second, sure, maybe

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Speaker 1: they're just doing positional workout. And that's Dave one of

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Speaker 1: the reasons why these guys do work out at the combine.

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Speaker 1: If you get a guy that can fly a little

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Speaker 1: some positional drills for these coaches. Yeah, it kind of

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Speaker 1: But scouts they're getting the numbers. Teams will send the coaches.

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Speaker 1: First and foremost, you want to see him be healthy.

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Speaker 1: give it everything he has and look one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest worry right now. There were

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Speaker 1: the athletic freak dad he is put up these numbers

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Speaker 1: Miles Jack is a top ten pick that we've been

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Speaker 1: talking about that the tape shows. But there's a lot

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Speaker 1: if you know in Dane's right about Miles Jack. Though,

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Speaker 1: as far as a player is talking to people around here,

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Speaker 1: even though that they traffed Rolando, McClain still getting a

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Speaker 1: play Will Rolando McClain, he can play Mike. Yeah, he

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Speaker 1: people on Twitter that I wouldn't we wouldn't just focus

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Speaker 1: a game a little bit later. Well, it's not a game,

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Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's an exercise. We'll get into

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Speaker 1: to We're gonna we're gonna have some fun with uh.

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Speaker 1: I call this tell me more. And this is where

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Speaker 1: Dave has got a list of guys and it's just

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Speaker 1: not first round guys, it's we we've done this before.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's a first round guy on it.

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Speaker 1: Dane and I are going to go through and Dave

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Speaker 1: is gonna fire some names, and again I call this,

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Speaker 1: tell me more, and we'll learn a little bit more

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Speaker 1: about these guys are further down the board. But I

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Speaker 1: don't know who deserves more credit for that, Lewis Riddick

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Speaker 1: or us, Like, well, it's we're Lewis Riddick put it

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Speaker 1: Joey Bosa, Dane, We've all done the tape on Joey Bosa.

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Speaker 1: I have my opinion on Joey Bosa. He has this opinion.

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys here right now, with the way the free

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Speaker 1: it's all right, say Joey, they pay Olivier Vernon and

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Speaker 1: so much more that goes to a pass rusher than

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Speaker 1: Bosa might not be special. Now it's like, good Bosa

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Speaker 1: And there give you a scenario, a scenario that if

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Speaker 1: I think that's the best chance. Best chance is always

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Speaker 1: Now now, now as a Cowboy fan, what are you

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Speaker 1: What about what about Treadwill? What do they take a

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Speaker 1: wide receiver? It's possible. I just spent a first round

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Speaker 1: pick on a receiver, so right, I mean, and I

427
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Speaker 1: know that's not going to stop anybody. If that's their guy,

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Speaker 1: that's their guy. But no, I you look at Doug

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Speaker 1: Peterson at the new head coach in Philly. He likes balance,

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Speaker 1: but he wants to run the ball. Sure, And if

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Speaker 1: you can get a foundation piece like Zeke who can

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Speaker 1: impact your team in a lot of ways. Um, they

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Speaker 1: have some offensive line issues, ze can help with that,

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Speaker 1: they have some quarterback issues. Ze can help with that.

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Speaker 1: Zeke it can be the ultimate band aid for that offense.

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Speaker 1: And so I think he's a very realistic possibility. If

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Speaker 1: you asked me right now who Philly's taken at aid,

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Speaker 1: I'll say Zeke. The only other option. How to scare

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Speaker 1: you a little bit, don't it. The only other position

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Speaker 1: that I could see them wanting above him would probably

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Speaker 1: be offensive line. But I don't know who would be

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Speaker 1: there that they would want over Zeke. Maybe the Michigan

443
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Speaker 1: State kid. He's my second best Conklin all the way

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Speaker 1: up at eight, Well, he's well, they took, they took,

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Speaker 1: They've they've taken game. How about at nine? What the

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Speaker 1: Giants did lat you know war Flowers, Yeah, didn't have

447
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448
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Speaker 1: gone to corner's possibility. N Bar Graves like him, but

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Speaker 1: they did. Yeah, I mean it's it's the Eagles have

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Speaker 1: I And this is kind of the same thing I

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Speaker 1: hun million guaranteed in their defense, so the same thing

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Speaker 1: goes for them. It wouldn't surprise me to see them

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Speaker 1: look offense. And the Eagles too. I mean, they do

455
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Speaker 1: have corner issues, but they've invested seventy million in their safeties.

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Speaker 1: They're they just to go. They just extended Vinny Curry,

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Speaker 1: They're gonna extend Fletcher Cox. Yeah, so the offense is

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Speaker 1: what needs help. And I'm telling you right now, get

459
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Speaker 1: ready for Zeke to be on either the Giants or Eagles.

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Speaker 1: It would not surprise me at all. So you don't

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Speaker 1: see him getting out of this division. To you, it's

462
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Speaker 1: just that's that's the stuff that happened. There's giant people,

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Speaker 1: I mean, anything's possible, but it isn't that Just what

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Speaker 1: ed Ka Hill, I thank you for this segment. We're

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Speaker 1: All Right, We're gonna start with a real draft nerd

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Speaker 1: question from Brett Adolphus Washington is a name we know. Yes,

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Speaker 1: we talk about him a lot as a d tackle. Yes,

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Speaker 1: do you think he can play left end? I think

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Speaker 1: he could. I I'm not sure that's his spot though.

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Speaker 1: I think you want him on the interior. I kind

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Speaker 1: of think of technique, not a yeah. How much flexibility

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Speaker 1: are we talking here? I mean, so this is not

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Speaker 1: something that y'all would consider basically as well. No, I

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Speaker 1: like him better playing inside. I like him. I like

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Speaker 1: him playing on that outside shoulder of that guard and

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Speaker 1: firing up the field there with a nice swim movements,

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Speaker 1: a little bit power and down you a little bend

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Speaker 1: inside yea, and shorter quick or shorter paths of the ball.

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Speaker 1: That's what he hit the nail on the head right there,

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Speaker 1: All right, um, good oldig State player. Though Twitter handles

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Speaker 1: twenty millions something I don't know. It's hard to read,

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Speaker 1: but he basically wants to know. Give him a good

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Speaker 1: idea of the round value, the depth of the cornerback class.

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Speaker 1: If you're to assume Ramsey is not the pick at for,

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Speaker 1: where are you looking at good value for cornerbacks in

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Speaker 1: this draft? I could start. I could start myself, really

559
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Speaker 1: like in the third round. You start, you know, the

560
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Speaker 1: guy's like Howard and and to me, uh maybe even

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Speaker 1: Will Jackson's more probably like a two kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: But I'm kind of looking at Aunty Brown was a

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Speaker 1: guy I really liked to like Howard Redman, the kid

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Speaker 1: from Mississippi State. I have in the third round. I

565
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Speaker 1: think the medical stuff's gonna check out on him. We'll

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Speaker 1: have to see how that goes. But yeah, depending on

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Speaker 1: Ryan Smith is a name I know a lot of

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Speaker 1: people have. Right there, I think you're central. Yeah, So

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Speaker 1: I think you can look at every round and pick

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Speaker 1: out a guy that could be there. Um, and you

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Speaker 1: look at the second round if William Jackson's there, yeah,

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Speaker 1: third roun apple Eli Apple, Yeah, second third round? What

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Speaker 1: would already burns? Already burn Miami. I think there's a

574
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Speaker 1: lot of potential there. So I think you miss corner draft.

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Speaker 1: You can go round by round and there's a few

576
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Speaker 1: guys that would make some sense. Where are you going

577
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Speaker 1: to play at Mills the LSU? You can play at

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Speaker 1: safe here at corner corner Corner, Okay. I don't like him, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I I just wanted to make sure because I got

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Speaker 1: him as as a corner as well. Arnaldo wants your

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Speaker 1: thoughts on Brandon Dowdy from Western Kentucky. The production was

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Speaker 1: outstanding what he did the last few years of Western Kentucky. Um.

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Speaker 1: I worry about his field vision. Sometimes it is a quarterback,

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Speaker 1: by the way, right. Sometimes it takes aim a little

585
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Speaker 1: too long to go from one to two to three,

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Speaker 1: you know, decipher what he sees. Um. He really thrived

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Speaker 1: in that spread scheme. Uh, you know, let him kind

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Speaker 1: of see the entire field. Give him some time, but

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Speaker 1: things are sped up. We saw it against LSU we

590
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: did um. He really struggled, So I worry about that

591
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Speaker 1: part of his transit. He played it. It's a defense

592
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Speaker 1: had had pace right. You could see a little bit

593
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Speaker 1: of that kind of that indecision with him. So I

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Speaker 1: think Dane's got him absolutely right. Chris wants to know

595
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Speaker 1: about Karis Garrett from Tulsa wide receiver. He had a

596
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Speaker 1: terrific watching Sanchez. Watch him against William Jackson. William Jackson

597
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: was another one. Yeah, he had a couple of good

598
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Speaker 1: plays and that was a good battle both of them.

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Speaker 1: And it's funny at the combine both said each other

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Speaker 1: as the best player that case. So that'll tell you something.

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Speaker 1: But Kiera's Garrett. He looks the part. I mean, he

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Speaker 1: has the physical size that you want, right. I just

603
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Speaker 1: wish you would play up to that size consistently. There

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Speaker 1: are some physical corners that really get him off his game,

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Speaker 1: and I think that that shows on tape. It's surprising

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Speaker 1: for a guy that big too, right, Yeah, exactly, And

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Speaker 1: he's a little straight linish. If he's not running a

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Speaker 1: go route or a slant, I worry about you know,

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Speaker 1: where he's gonna be effective. So because of those reasons,

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00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: that knocks him down a little bit. But he can

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Speaker 1: do those things that he does really well, and going deep,

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Speaker 1: being a deep threat and then using his body on slants. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is kind of an indication. If you look at

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Speaker 1: the combine numbers sixty three almost six three and a

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Speaker 1: half two hundred and twenty pounds, and then the times

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Speaker 1: for funny on him because they got him as a

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Speaker 1: four four four than a four four zero, so evidently

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Speaker 1: he might have missed that. I think he's more in

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Speaker 1: line with what you see the four five two and

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Speaker 1: the four five six playing speed, and then if you

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Speaker 1: split those times that makes him a four or five four.

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Speaker 1: I think that's more of an indication. I think the

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Speaker 1: hand timers, the field timers missed him on the first

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Speaker 1: one might have rolled, but but I think he's more

625
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Speaker 1: of a player. When you look at a four or

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Speaker 1: five four at sixty three two hundred twenty pounds, that's

627
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Speaker 1: pretty pretty. He sustains that speed too. I think he

628
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Speaker 1: dies as a lot of corners. He's there. You know

629
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Speaker 1: off the line that all of a sudden, after twenty

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Speaker 1: yards his speed is sustained and corners are a little

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Speaker 1: surprised by that, and that's why he's so effective. Was

632
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Speaker 1: a deep throat, Yeah, thirty four and a half arms,

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Speaker 1: and then you know, and then you know, with his

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Speaker 1: reach of eighty two and five eights. What's your round

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Speaker 1: projection on this guy? I had him in the fourth

636
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,239
Speaker 1: and I might be I might be two, I might

637
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: be Yeah, it's a little higher for me. I think

638
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: more fifth, sixth, Yeah, but I think we know were

639
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: in the same kind of range, you know, day three.

640
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: He's not a top old scout guy falling on old

641
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: scout guy falling like ye miserables? Does it worry about

642
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: you about the routes? I mean to me, you know, yeah,

643
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: slant or go? What else does he have besides I

644
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: just I would just think they always look at I

645
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: think Tulsa plays good football, and I'm always interested if

646
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: if a guy could coach him, if you've got the measurables,

647
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: you know, and this is where scouts fall in in trouble,

648
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: is they think edables. My guy can coach him, Mike

649
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: guy can make him better. Sure, he's probably more accurate

650
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: to what he is round projection wise. I'm thinking I've

651
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: got to go around earlier to maybe grab a guy

652
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: that's a four five guy that has that kind of

653
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: height and weight and reach and all those stuff. There's

654
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: a place for him, no question. I just I don't see.

655
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: I don't see a future NFL starter. Okay, very Cowboys center.

656
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: Question for Matt. He wants to know what does Cedric

657
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: Thornton mean. We've been talking forever about that thirty four

658
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: pick being a defensive tackle. Cowboys signed Thornton probably to

659
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: start at one tech. I mean, they gave him eighteen

660
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: million dollars. I think that's a fair assumption. Kind of

661
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: makes it seem unlikely that defensive tackles your thirty fourth pick,

662
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: in my opinion. He said, running back or wide receiver

663
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: specifically at thirty four kind of kind of set something.

664
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: You know, we we've talked about. There's been plenty of

665
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: second round wide receivers there if you're not happy with

666
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: what's going on with the Cowboys. Yeah, yeah, I felt

667
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: like that that was kind of a spot that if

668
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: you said, okay, what are the three areas. I know

669
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: we first started this journey. I was pointing at the

670
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: defensive tackles. I mean it all round on the wall.

671
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: Now now it's like the receivers, and then you got

672
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: some cornerbacks. I was going to say, defensive back strikes

673
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: me as a spot that I'm looking at at thirty four. Yeah,

674
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: I think so. I think so too. Receiver too. I

675
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: don't want to There are plenty good Is it fair

676
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: to say? All right, enough about Zeke? We don't think

677
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: the Cowboys like Derek Henry enough to take him at

678
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: thirty four, which is probably where you have to take

679
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: him if you want him. Is there there's not another

680
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: rocking back option at thirty four? Is there? I would

681
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: take Dixon, You would take Dixon. I would take Dixon

682
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: at thirty four, and I would Dan thinks you're stupid. No,

683
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: I think that's way too high for Dixon. But that's

684
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: just me. I mean I that's a nice way of saying,

685
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: he thinks you're that's fine. Who do you got it, dud?

686
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: Do you got do you have somebody? Booker? Who? I

687
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: think third round is where I'm looking after running back?

688
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: I think book I have Booker, slightly headed Dixon. I

689
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: think Dixon's my only second round back I have. I

690
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: this is just me reading the leaves, are trying to

691
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: if they If Ezekiel Elliot's not the pick in round one,

692
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: I don't think they're taking a running back until sixty

693
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: seven or maybe nine. If you remember what happened to

694
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: you last year, I know those backs well happen again.

695
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: It could very well happen again, you know, And you

696
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: start thinking about the names. Who do you have? Can

697
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: you give me your order of second to third round

698
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: backs or third round backs, whoever you get? Henry I

699
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: have been the second rounder, and then Booker, and then

700
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: Dixon and then Process. Okay that's my and then Zeke

701
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: at the number one, that'd be my top five. Yeah,

702
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: somebody in that. This is actually great as a great segue.

703
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: Dixon is my only second round guy. That's my only guy.

704
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: But I love I love every name. I don't think

705
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: they would take Henry. And I understand why he's got

706
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: Henry where he does. I get it, But I I

707
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: it was very difficult for me to pull somebody out,

708
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,239
Speaker 1: and I pulled Dixon out of there just because of

709
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: what I saw. I know you you give him a

710
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: second round grade, But do you think he is the

711
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: thirty fourth best player in this draft. Since it is

712
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: such a high second round pick, it's basic. You gave

713
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: me a choice. So if you gave me a choice

714
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:09,919
Speaker 1: of him or or Dotson or say William Jackson, right, yeah,

715
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 1: I like that? Is that does that make this? Does that?

716
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,399
Speaker 1: I mean William Jackson makes a lot of sense. He does.

717
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: I like William Dotson makes a lot of sense. I

718
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: like that too, So that would mean Dickson would probably

719
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: not He would be third of that group. Bring on,

720
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: bring on Corey Coleman. If he's there while we're at it,

721
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: I'll take him. Dotson's first round player. I think he's

722
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: border line. Uh, bring on will Fuller, I'll take him too.

723
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 1: I'm down on these receivers. I keep moving them. I mean,

724
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: the more hang on, I'm trying to get to your

725
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: a lot of receivers. I love it thirty four. No

726
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: running backs, I love it thirty No, I'm kind of

727
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: the same way I think treadwalls. Did you take him

728
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: thirty four? Uh, he'd be one of the guys that

729
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: considered I get to ride a round to players though.

730
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: That would make you think differently about taking a running back. Yeah, no,

731
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: exactly and I probably not taking a running back at

732
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: thirty four, okay, because I think there's gonna be much

733
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: better players available. Derrick Henry on my board is like

734
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: forty five, forty six something like that. I think they're

735
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: running backs are gonna come flying off, and we're gonna

736
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 1: be scrambling in the third round to try and find

737
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: a running back. I think we're gonna be I think

738
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: as much as I want Zeke to be the pick,

739
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: I think we'll be waiting until Saturday for the Cowboys

740
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: to pick a running back. That's my guest, Collins, how

741
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 1: about Randall? Answer, give me a third day back? Then?

742
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: Do you have a third day back? Jonathan Williams Alex

743
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: Collins teammate back. We're back at this. Yeah. Here we

744
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: go flying under the radar because of his foot and

745
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,280
Speaker 1: he's a local kid. Bring him in, love to have him. Okay,

746
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: what rand This is a Twitter question. This isn't just me,

747
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: but Randall. Randall's days, you're gonna Randall wants to know

748
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: give it. He wants a round on Kelvin Taylor, who

749
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: I think is probably the next Emmitt Smith. I think

750
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: you went to Florida. It's fine, don't listen to me.

751
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 1: You don't hear my story about him? No, I don't.

752
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: I mean, and it's you talk about third day back.

753
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: I think Kelln Taylor. I think I got the fourth,

754
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: fifth round, the fifth. Yeah, I think that's kind of

755
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: the range where where you're gonna get him. He's quicker

756
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: than fast. Uh doesn't catch the ball great, No, and

757
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 1: he didn't have a lot of reps doing it in college.

758
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,439
Speaker 1: But at the same time, smaller hands, but he holds

759
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: onto the football. He didn't fumble in all. He was

760
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: a tough son of this old man was there. I mean,

761
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: my god, he's more like his mom than his dad.

762
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,720
Speaker 1: I guess, Brad, so fourth or fifth round for Taylor

763
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: probably I had him in the fifth, okay, Brad. But

764
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: Dane doesn't think I have any These backs round. You

765
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: guys are about to come over the table at each

766
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: other about these running backs. And I love that's the

767
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: running backs and receivers. I love it that the second, third,

768
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: fourth rounds they're all over the place. I'm orders of

769
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: that way though, too. Oh yeah, quartering Ted Thompson, Bill

770
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: Belichick here, and we'll all have different orders for the

771
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 1: running backs and wide receivers in this group. I'm with you.

772
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 1: I'm with you, all right, Dave, Sorry about that. Brad

773
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: wants to know we're getting into hypotheticals. Why the hell not,

774
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: I don't care, he said. If Bosa, Ramsey and Jack

775
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: are the first three picks, now what so Bosa then

776
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: we go to Tennessee at one? Yeah, Jack, Cleveland two.

777
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: Just just say they're the three. They're gone. They're the

778
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: first three picks. It doesn't matter. You have you have

779
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 1: a shot at a quarterback there. Yeah, and you have

780
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,479
Speaker 1: a shot at Tounsel. I think with these quarterbacks, didn't

781
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: trade back. You have to make the decision before the

782
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: draft starts whether or not you're going to draft the quarterback.

783
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 1: I mean you don't. I don't think you. It's a situation.

784
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: Were all their quarterback on the board? No, you have

785
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: to make a decision before the draft either if a

786
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 1: quarterbacks there were taking him. If he's not, we're not

787
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: going to take him. And so. But that's by way

788
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: you put him on the board, though, isn't it. Quarterback

789
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: you've made that decision. If you've got him in the

790
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: top four or five on your board, you've made the decision.

791
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: You're willing to take a quarterback, haven't you. And there's

792
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: a difference between you actually pulling the trigger and then

793
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: you know the way you put him on the board. No,

794
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 1: that's I'm not saying that's the way I'm doing. I'm

795
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: saying that's just reality. I mean, you could don't put

796
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: him in the top five. Oh yeah, no, I agree.

797
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 1: But who who's putting him in the top five? Well,

798
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,399
Speaker 1: let's I'm saying, what if they put him? But by

799
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: the scenario he just painted my quarterbacks still in play?

800
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: If I have the okay, well then you have one.

801
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: Then you're making the decision pre draft that if if

802
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: our quarterbacks there were taking by where you put that

803
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: tag on the wall. Sure, yeah, but I don't think

804
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 1: they're going. If you're gonna take a quarterback at four,

805
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: then you're not taking a position player over him. In

806
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: my opinion, if you're taking a quarterback, taking a quarterback

807
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: doesn't matter who else is there. Tag tells me, the

808
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 1: board tells me to do that. But quarterback quarterbacks are different,

809
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: especially in this situation, like if you have Bosa number

810
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: one on your board and Golf number two. Yeah, I

811
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: don't think if Boast is there, I don't think it

812
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: matters if you're taking a quarterback and your quarterbacks there

813
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: you're taking. I agree, it's a philosophy thing they got.

814
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: You gotta know before this thing even starts, if you're

815
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: really willing to do it, because if you're doing golf there,

816
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: you put him there and you're thinking while he's not

817
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,959
Speaker 1: going to be there, but then he's there, you gotta

818
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't think to what you want to

819
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: do in the first quarters different quarterback. I think you

820
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: gotta tree quarterback different. Yeah, you have. Honestly, God, I

821
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: think they need to decide anything they need to decide

822
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: before this thing starts. If they're going to draft a

823
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,240
Speaker 1: quarterba if a quarterback's not as good as another position player,

824
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: don't put him up there. Then that's what I'm saying.

825
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: But they're picking so early in the draft that I

826
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: don't think there's big separation. But like the top five

827
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: players in this draft, there's not much big separation. If

828
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: the cowboards are picking fifteenth, that's a little different picking fourth.

829
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: There's not a big separation between the top five players

830
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: in this draft. So if you feel it like a

831
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: quarterback is five in this draft, then you take him

832
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: no matter what. Then you. That's why he's on the board.

833
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: For argument's sake. If I mean, so, Goff is not

834
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,760
Speaker 1: your highest rated player on the board, you don't expect

835
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: him to fall to you, but he's there at four.

836
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 1: You don't even consider that. Well, I consider it, yes,

837
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: even though he's not the top rated guy on your board. Though,

838
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. No, no, no, no, no, no no,

839
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: I'm putting I've got my stack of the players I

840
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: would take one to one fifty and that's how I'm

841
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: gonna follow him. That I've solved my Goff. Goff is there.

842
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: Let's say, Bossa, is your top guy, your top five

843
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 1: guys overall? Do you have a top five? You have

844
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: a quarterback in your top five? No? Okay, see that's

845
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: I'm saying that right there. Tells me he's not going

846
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: to take a quarterback, right exactly. And the Cowboys might

847
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 1: think this differently though, Oh, that's I'm saying. You're telling

848
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: you don't wind to dress your board. No, but if

849
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: you have a quarterback, I didn't get to treat quarterbacks differently.

850
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: If you have a quarterback ranked as one of the

851
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: top five players in this draft and he's available at four.

852
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter who else is available, you have to

853
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: take him. I mean exactly, I know I did I

854
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 1: just say that. I don't think so. I don't know.

855
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: I'm doing a lot of yelling. Okay, I'm not yelling.

856
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: If you have both as your number one player in

857
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: this draft, and they have golf two and they're both

858
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: available at four, yeah, I think you have to take

859
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: the quarterback. Yeah, even though you have Boso ranked a

860
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 1: little higher. I don't think. I don't see much suff

861
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 1: Bosha is higher than the quarterback on my board. I'm

862
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: taking Bosa. Yeah, And I get that. I understand what

863
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,720
Speaker 1: you're saying from my from my philosophy. If I'm running

864
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: a war room, if a quarterback treating quarterbacks a little

865
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: bit different, I agree with Dave. I think they need

866
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 1: to know before this thing even starts, if that's they'll

867
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: going to do. Back to the original question, though, if

868
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: those three guys are off the board, that's when I'm

869
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: really looking at Zeke because I'm not taking a quarterback there,

870
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: I'm not taking tons on there. That's when I'd feel

871
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: a lot more comfortable taking Zeke and minimizing my risk.

872
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 1: That's your hope. They're not they're not taking zeke or

873
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: I can't see it. I can't see it. I'm sorry.

874
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: I wish they would, but I can't see it. All right,

875
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: we gotta take a break here, last one of the day.

876
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,120
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877
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:57,080
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913
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,319
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914
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 1: Draft Show. Dane Burglar, David Hellman, Brian Broadest, Kent Garrison,

915
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 1: Uh executive producer, Uh Dave. I want to give you

916
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: an opportunity to have a little fun. Yeah. The group

917
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 1: we know, y'all are the ones that are gonna get

918
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: I get called out every one on this show for

919
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: not talking about guys that are down the line, and

920
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: I want to do more of that the shows for

921
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 1: the fans, and I want to educate people more about

922
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: these players. So I know I trusted you to grab

923
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: some guys, and Dan and I are going to do

924
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: our best to educate. So these are these are players

925
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: who have caught my eye. Okay, at one point or another,

926
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: couple of them combine guys, y'all. Y'all are not going

927
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 1: to be surprised by the first guy that I throw

928
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,479
Speaker 1: out because he kind of perked up some eyebrows in Indianapolis. Okay,

929
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: tell me more. Then tell me more about Tennessee wide

930
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: receiver Marquez North, one of the better blockers. One of

931
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: the better blocking lois Absolutely he's a one note runner.

932
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: I don't see a lot of gears there, and it

933
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: rounds the acceleration. But when the ball's in the air,

934
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: he can go up and get it. Yeah. Really good

935
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,439
Speaker 1: body control too. You watched the game, but Arkansas stay, Yeah,

936
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: he turns. They throw a ball at a corner and

937
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: it looks like he's gonna have to catch it in

938
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 1: the end zone in front, and then he has to

939
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: turns completely around to grab it. So sometimes when you

940
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: get a guy that's got a lot of length height

941
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: to him and they have to adjust his body that way,

942
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: it's a little bit difficult. He looked pretty smooth doing it.

943
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: He's thick, so you think maybe he's a little stiff,

944
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: but no, he booze really well, smooth adjustments on the ball.

945
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: You wonder about the production, the lack of production, Yeah,

946
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: that's he went down hill though, got a little nicked

947
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: up though, couldn't stay healthy and say a lot of

948
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,879
Speaker 1: a lot of footcoats there on his report. Yeah, y'all

949
00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: could just talk about what you see on tape all

950
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 1: day and that's fine. But I'm a bottom line kind

951
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: of guy and a good projection. I want round, that's

952
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 1: what I round projection. Yeah, I got gave him a fifth. Yeah,

953
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: I got him on the board as a five. Okay,

954
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: I actually take that back. I got him to the

955
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 1: bottom of the fourth. So four to five right there. Yeah,

956
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: tell me more than problem child guy, so this will

957
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: go over. Tell me more about Florida defensive end Alex McCalister.

958
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: Huh have you seen him? I have seen him. Go ahead,

959
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: I don't know if I draft him. I mean I,

960
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: first of all, I think he's a three to four end.

961
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: I didn't really know where to play. Sorry, three four

962
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: backer guy that you want just rushing that passer. He's flexible,

963
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: he can move, he has zero power. He cannot convert

964
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: his first stand power. I don't think he's getting much stronger.

965
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,280
Speaker 1: He was kicked out of Florida. He was that factors

966
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: in as well. I think a team will take a

967
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: chance on him late on Day three. I don't see

968
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 1: enough there for me to use a draft pick on him. Yeah.

969
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: I was the same way. I was expecting a lot

970
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 1: more from him and didn't and didn't get it. And

971
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,439
Speaker 1: I saw him get pushed around. I mean you quite

972
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: a bit. Yeah, And that that really that I'm thinking, Okay,

973
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: you're gonna hold up in there and and you know,

974
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: do the things you want to do on the edge,

975
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: and I just didn't see it. I think at best

976
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: he's a sub package guy, maybe a nickel rusher, because

977
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 1: he can bend, he can ben flexible. Maybe he can

978
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: reach the corner and reach the quarterback. But besides that,

979
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: you can't trust him on No, he can't, not at all.

980
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: Another combine, Darling, m tell me more about Georgia running back.

981
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 1: Keith Marshall. Keith Marshall. He's really interesting because you know,

982
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: he was actually higher recruited than Gurley when they both

983
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 1: arrived at George at the same time. Marshall was kind

984
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: of that prize recruit and girly he was, Okay, you

985
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: know he's too but like me and Marshall, falk Ay

986
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: and m Yeah, sure, Marshall. He couldn't stay healthy. That

987
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: was the biggest thing with him, his acl that was

988
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: the main issue. He can he can run. His speed

989
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 1: is fantastic. I wish he had better balance between the tackles.

990
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: I don't see him break a lot of break a

991
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: lot of tackle. He's going down on first contacts. That

992
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: is the first thing I wrote. Yeah, you know, he

993
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: doesn't finish forward at all. I mean, I'm just looking

994
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: at my notes about him. I question his vision because

995
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: there'll be times where they blow it open and he's

996
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,720
Speaker 1: running into something. He runs a blinder and and you're like, well, dude,

997
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 1: they just blow it out. You know the tackle that

998
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: that we're looking at the thes is it the jo Yeah,

999
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: theis like caves everything down. I'm thinking, just run behind

1000
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 1: that and he's running into somebody, I'm going, that's it.

1001
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: You know. He when he does sell explode, he's got

1002
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: the speed and he reaches it like that. He's gone, yeah,

1003
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: And that's that's a special part of him what he

1004
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: does really well. Um, I do think you know, as

1005
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: long as the medicals check out, he's draft the bull.

1006
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 1: Uh maybe you can use them on special teams as well,

1007
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: because he did play special teams here. Yeah, and so

1008
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: I think that will help him. Uh could he be

1009
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: could he be your new Dunbar? And he's five ten

1010
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: five two hundred nineteen pounds four three one turner and

1011
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: at the medicals checkout. That's a guy on day three

1012
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: that I look at. How late I was just I

1013
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: was six. I was looking at him. I was looking

1014
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: at him. I said, And one of my things is

1015
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: I don't see a guy that always makes the first

1016
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: man miss. No, he does. I mean he's that's that's bother.

1017
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: Maybe when you when you think about an explosive, that boom,

1018
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: that guy make somebody miss, and then you're and then

1019
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: now you're in the secondary cause and problems. I don't

1020
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: see that with this guy. That bothered me about him?

1021
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: Yeah I did. I'm sorry. When round? Did I have

1022
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: him in round? Did you have him? I had him

1023
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: in the six? Okay, I did. I had him down

1024
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: there with another utility back. Drake m kid from Alabama.

1025
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: I've about Drake twelve on my board and I've got

1026
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: Marshall thirteen. There you go. I'm scouting him up right now.

1027
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: How about that Kenyan Drake as opposed to Canadian Drake? Yeah,

1028
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: I mean Canadian Drake said he's a performer as well.

1029
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: Tell me more provision about Georgia Tech safety, Jamal Golden,

1030
00:48:55,560 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 1: Oh did you like did you like him? Know? I'm

1031
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: just saying, why how did you pick this one? Didn'n't

1032
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: worry about it? I don't know. I didn't see enough there. Uh,

1033
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: there are times if you watch his flashes, I mean

1034
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 1: he can he'll come up and hit you. He will

1035
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,760
Speaker 1: do that. Um, but I see too many false steps.

1036
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 1: There's some spacing issues, some timing issues. Um, not enough

1037
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: there where I think this guy can really can make

1038
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 1: a difference on my football. No, I didn't see. There's

1039
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: plenty of other guys that if I'm gonna take a

1040
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,280
Speaker 1: chance on some guys, and you could just go throughout

1041
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: this draft and and and find those guys. But I

1042
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: I was not. I was not enthusiastic about his tape

1043
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: at all. And then and when the safety, like when

1044
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: you watch the West Virginia kid, you know, when you

1045
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: watch Joseph play, it's like, oh that's a bad play.

1046
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he just killed a guy. Yeah, you know,

1047
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: bad play. Oh my god, he just here's a trainer,

1048
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: you know. You know, I mean that's you know, you

1049
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 1: gotta have something to keep me going. Yeah, we'll sit

1050
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: there and watch tape. We're I'll be like, you know,

1051
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: is he gonna make a play? Is this guy I'm

1052
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:01,720
Speaker 1: gonna make a play. And then all of a sudden

1053
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: he goes two or three games and the way these

1054
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: games are cut up for us, and they had supposedly

1055
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: the best plays, and you're thinking, man, this guy is

1056
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: not very good. There's about twenty five ish twenty to

1057
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: twenty five safeties drafted every year. Yeah, I don't think

1058
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 1: he's wanted the top twenty five. Would I would? I

1059
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 1: would agree on that, all right. I think y'all are

1060
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 1: gonna like this guy better. I've heard this name a lot.

1061
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: I don't know enough about him. This is the last one,

1062
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 1: right right. Tell me more about Oklahoma corner Zack Sanchez.

1063
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 1: He's tough. This is one of the tougher evaluations for me.

1064
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: He's on a lot of highlight films for receiver. Yeah,

1065
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: well he is exactly, but it's hard the amount of

1066
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 1: interceptions that he has. Sure, I mean he he loves

1067
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: to bait throws. I was talking to a scout about

1068
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 1: him the other day and he called him mister Cushion

1069
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,399
Speaker 1: because he gives such a huge cushion off the line

1070
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: of scrimmage, because he wants to bait that throw. He

1071
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: wants to go for the interception that it ends up

1072
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: costing him in a lot of situations. So but at

1073
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: the same time, I don't, I don't. I'm watching his

1074
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 1: tape and I don't I swear they didn't coach him up,

1075
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: and they just kind of put him out. They let

1076
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 1: him play exactly like they're out there to be a

1077
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: natural player and he but he has skill and that's

1078
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 1: what that's what gives me pause because if I can

1079
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,439
Speaker 1: bring him in, teach him some technical Wait a minute,

1080
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: I tried to coach up somebody wanted to bring in

1081
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: a wide receiver and you weren't too happy about that.

1082
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 1: Now you want to coach up a quarter. Well, we're

1083
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: just want to bring up that I wanted to bring

1084
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 1: up the Tulsa kid to play, and you now you

1085
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 1: don't want to coach. You're gonna he's a little Garrett's

1086
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 1: tightly wound where this kid can move a little bit.

1087
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: Got I think Sanchez, I don't know. He worries me

1088
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: because I think he's a He's a Day three guys,

1089
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: not top one hundred. You you you get mesmerized a

1090
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 1: little bit by him not making plays, and then all

1091
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: of a sudden, like we're talking about, he jumps out

1092
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: there and you're like, ha, got one there, but a

1093
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: little bit Jenkins Genors Jenkins who just signed big time

1094
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: a guesser gambler fixed two mills. Yeah, the player that

1095
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: Sanchez is right now, I do not trust him. There's

1096
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: not as far from him on my team. That's what

1097
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: I do. Think he can get better. I do think

1098
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: he has a little more of a ways to go

1099
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: before he hit the ceiling. Okay, well, David, thank you

1100
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: so much for tell me more projection. Projection, that's what

1101
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 1: I want. Oh you said late, you said third day guy,

1102
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:10,359
Speaker 1: all right, I have a fifth, I have six okay, Yeah,

1103
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:12,479
Speaker 1: and he's probably gonna go higher than that you wanted.

1104
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: You want it? Endo? You want it endo? The line, guys,

1105
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: I gave you like fifth three and this needs to

1106
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 1: be a weekly thing and we need to probably more

1107
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: reduce well know the name that are coming. So yeah,

1108
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: tell me more good I'll bring it back, I hope. Yeah,

1109
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: Oh my god, kid about kid being well done? All right,

1110
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: in the last few minutes of here, the last seven

1111
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: or eight minutes we got to the show, I do

1112
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: want to take some calls. I hope. I'm not putting

1113
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: kin on the spot, but you never are right. Well, great, Well,

1114
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: so we've got the number there eight eight eight eight

1115
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: five five two two nine seven. Everybody on the Draft

1116
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: show is doing well today? And who do we got Ki? Yeah,

1117
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: we got Mike in New York. Go ahead, Mike, Hey, guys,

1118
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: awesome show. I really love it. Thank you. Um. I

1119
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: have two questions, which you're kind of connected. Number one,

1120
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:02,320
Speaker 1: what objective deck finition is there really for a first

1121
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 1: round player versus say a second round or a third

1122
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: round player for example? Is it like quality starter or

1123
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: immediate quality starter? And then, depending on your answer to that,

1124
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 1: how is it that we kind of will put quarterbacks

1125
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: to say, maybe number eight on our board, so to speak,

1126
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: when we know that that position is more valuable than

1127
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:29,720
Speaker 1: let's say a guard or you know, some other position.

1128
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 1: So I'm just curious to hear your thoughts on that. No,

1129
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: that's I think what we were talking about about. You

1130
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 1: can stack your board, but quarterbacks are just such a

1131
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 1: different animal. I don't think. Yeah, it's a perfect way

1132
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: to put it. How do you really distinguish between you know,

1133
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 1: a player wething a guard that is one of you know,

1134
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:50,399
Speaker 1: the seventh best player, but then a quarterback's the eighth

1135
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: best player. It's hard to do because, I mean, you

1136
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: just have to value quarterbacks differently than any other player.

1137
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: In this game. I mean, they touched the ball every

1138
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:01,959
Speaker 1: That's the biggest cliche in the world, but it's true

1139
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 1: place I was involved with at one time in my life.

1140
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:08,760
Speaker 1: First round player description, rare college player, immediate impact player,

1141
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:12,919
Speaker 1: potential difference makers now is there. Now, that's just that's

1142
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 1: just to describe, you know, in a certain level of

1143
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:18,399
Speaker 1: the round. Here's another one foundation, building block player, first

1144
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 1: year starter, significant early contributor. These are first I mean,

1145
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: these are just like little verbiage things that you go

1146
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 1: and you kind of thirty one this year in the

1147
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: first round. Right, Obviously there's a difference between the third

1148
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 1: pick the second round player. Then first round starter ability

1149
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: will have a defined role as a rookie and will

1150
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 1: develop quickly. See that sounds a little bit different than

1151
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: what what you're dealing with on a and I think

1152
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: to Dane's point, it's really I mean, it's interesting when

1153
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: you're picking twenty seventh like the Cowboys were last year, right,

1154
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: it's a vastly different expectation than when you're been picking

1155
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 1: forth And I mean I've been saying this, you know,

1156
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 1: doing radio interviews and just talking to people. Right, it's

1157
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: not unreasonable to expect the Cowboys to dri draft three

1158
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 1: starter capable players in this draft. Yeah, that doesn't mean

1159
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: they necessarily will, but I don't think that's an unreasonable expectation.

1160
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: And I get the you know why those types of

1161
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,800
Speaker 1: that exists, and you would identify a first round or

1162
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: as this, a second rounder as this, But it bothers

1163
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,439
Speaker 1: me because every draft class is different. This year's first

1164
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 1: round is nowhere close to last year's first round and

1165
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,240
Speaker 1: the year before's first round. Right, There's so much different

1166
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: talent from round to round that I don't think you

1167
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 1: can just classify a second round pick as you want

1168
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 1: this because each draft is different, and I think you

1169
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: have different goals in the draft, You have different players

1170
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: in the draft, and so it bothers me just predetermining

1171
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 1: what you want specifically in that second round pick or

1172
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: that fifth round pick. Okay, kid Seth in San Antonio,

1173
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:48,319
Speaker 1: go ahead, Seth, thank you for taking my call. I

1174
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: just wanted to ask what are your all of opinion

1175
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 1: and what do you think are the odds of the

1176
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 1: Cowboys training back A couple of thoughts picking up Zeke

1177
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: and in the second round, maybe drafting Billings and adding

1178
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: a cornerback in the second round. And also when new

1179
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: draft boards usually get released, I'll go and hang up,

1180
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 1: like I'll answer my question, well, thank you. They're never released.

1181
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: Sometimes they get leaked. That has a way of happening.

1182
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: That happens here. But I mean, if it were up

1183
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: to the franchises, you would never know. But every now

1184
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 1: and then you'll see it. It'll come out. But I

1185
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: put together one with Jeff Kavanaugh and Kevin Turner for

1186
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: one oh five three that we do that. We'll put

1187
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: that out the week before the draft of our guys.

1188
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 1: Now we got it ranked. Yeah, ideally you won't. Ideally

1189
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: for them, you will never see it. But no, they'll

1190
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: probably start putting it together right beginning of April. They're

1191
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: doing it. Yeah, they're right now. They're hitting these pro days,

1192
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,439
Speaker 1: the early one right now, kind of stacking the board

1193
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: a little bit. Right. They're getting an idea, they got

1194
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: the medical information, they got the interviews, they've got some

1195
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,399
Speaker 1: tape work done, they've got their cross checks done. When

1196
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,399
Speaker 1: did the meetings start? Where they start putting it. We're

1197
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: gonna see that. We're going to see that the first

1198
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,760
Speaker 1: of April. It's different from team a team because some teams,

1199
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: some teams go really like sometimes had a board before

1200
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: they combine, right, you know, the packers we traditionally had

1201
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 1: our board up are poured up at least through the

1202
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 1: skill guys we'd waited on and then after the combine

1203
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,320
Speaker 1: when we'd had the speed, so we had our board

1204
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,919
Speaker 1: like three quarters of the way done. Yeah, and every

1205
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 1: team's different. Will is gonna, you know, do his in

1206
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,959
Speaker 1: probably in April. I'm gonna hijack his question. We've talked

1207
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: about trading back for Zeke a million times. What about

1208
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: trading back for like a Shack Lawson, you know, like

1209
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 1: maybe you don't want Shack Lawson at four, but maybe

1210
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: you really like him at twelve. Again, we need somebody up,

1211
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: I know, I know you have to have a partner.

1212
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 1: I know that, and just know that. And that's no, No,

1213
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 1: it's a possibility. It's a possibility. But I think you

1214
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: looked at the Giants at ten. Maybe going defensive end

1215
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 1: is at different now with with the moves they made

1216
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 1: in free agency. But I still think shack Lawson goes

1217
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: somewhere top fifteen, right, But I mean to go back

1218
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: to the Zeke thing. I know we've talked about it,

1219
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,439
Speaker 1: but it's a little different. Now with Philly at eight, yeah,

1220
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: I think you have to. You can't go, you know,

1221
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: to nine or ten and still think you're realistically going

1222
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: to get Zeke. I think the only shot is if

1223
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: Goff's there at four San Francisco exactly. They they're worried

1224
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: about maybe Philly leap frogging them the five or six

1225
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: to get a golf or another team doing that. So

1226
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: I think that's really the most realistic offer. I would

1227
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: worry about San Diego selling their picks. I would worry

1228
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: about San Diego to who to San Francisco. Oh yeah,

1229
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 1: I worry about I worry thinking the Cowboys might take

1230
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 1: a quarterback. Think of the Cowboys might do that. Yeah,

1231
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 1: you know, but just to make sure of it San Diego,

1232
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 1: San Diego. Another thing might happen too. Dallas might hold

1233
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: somebody up on picks. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

1234
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: So they might want full value on pick. San Diego

1235
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 1: might not. San die might say hey, let's just bail.

1236
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: It's got to find a trade partner. From four to

1237
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 1: seven still gets you a second round pick. Probably four

1238
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: is high. Four is worth eighteen hundred, seven is worth

1239
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred. You gotta make up three hundred points right there.

1240
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: It depends I'll desperate the team is, yeah, no, for sure,

1241
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 1: you get that, that's it. And how willing the team

1242
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 1: is to move back? Yeah, you don't want to just

1243
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 1: give up that pick. Yeah, you want to hold somebody up,

1244
00:58:57,960 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 1: you want to make it. If it's two years ago,

1245
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 1: the Bills moved up from what eight to four to

1246
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 1: get Sammy Watkins, the Browns have to move back four

1247
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: or five spots and they had to give a future

1248
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: first round pick for that. I mean they oversold. Yeah,

1249
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 1: and you know it worked out okay for not for

1250
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 1: the Browns because they screw up the picks. Right, it's

1251
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 1: a different story, all right, Ken't you got one more? Yeah,

1252
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: William and Shreveport, Well you got the last word. City,

1253
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you, guys. I want to ask you,

1254
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: could you tell me more about these extra graph piss

1255
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 1: like in a third fourth thrill than when you lose somebody.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you heard, may not look like

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Speaker 1: you're talking about No, no, no, we were. We were

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Speaker 1: just mouthing each other when we was talking. Compensatory pick

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Speaker 1: pensatory picks. Yeah, yeah, the volume turned out these extra

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Speaker 1: draft horses that when you lose a player. Could you

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Speaker 1: explain more to me how that works? Okay, thank you

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Speaker 1: very much for the call, William. So basically, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's complicated as hell, and honestly, the formula for determining

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Speaker 1: how it works is one of the most archaic things

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Speaker 1: I've ever heard. But when you lose players in free agency,

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Speaker 1: you know, according to a certain value the NFL awards

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Speaker 1: who knows, yeah, the NFL a word, you picks based

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Speaker 1: on the value that they come to what that guy's worth.

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Speaker 1: So the Cowboys lost six guys in free agency last year.

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Speaker 1: DeMarco Murray was obviously Offensive Player of the Year. He

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Speaker 1: merits a much higher level of pick. But then you

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Speaker 1: signed Greg Hardy, who's a Pro Bowl guy. Those offset

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Speaker 1: each other. Lose Jeremy Parnell, who's a part time starter,

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Speaker 1: thirty million dollar contract in Jacksonville, you're awarded you know,

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Speaker 1: a fourth round or so pick. So basically, when it's

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Speaker 1: all said and done, the Cowboys are in line for

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Speaker 1: probably three or four compensatory picks. I think Parnell's definitely

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Speaker 1: a fourth yeah, and then probably three sixes. Yeah. I've

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Speaker 1: also heard three sevens though, Yeah, they cannot the early

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Speaker 1: indication was it was gonna be an extra four and

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Speaker 1: three sixes that's supposed to come out of the day.

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Speaker 1: I've also heard sevens. It's gonna come out today, yea.

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Speaker 1: Moved up. They usually do it at the owner's mate yea,

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Speaker 1: at the end of the month, but there's some buzz

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Speaker 1: it's gonna come out today. It basically thirty two extra picks.

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Speaker 1: It's basically an eighth round that's added to the draft.

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Speaker 1: So we'll find that ouption. So the Cowboys have five

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Speaker 1: picks right now. They're in line for for your four

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Speaker 1: more trade the picks. Trade the picks still next year.

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Speaker 1: That's try. Okay, that's all the time. We have the

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Speaker 1: draft show talking about next week. Might go a day earlier.

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Speaker 1: I'll let you guys know. We'll follow us on Stewart's

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Speaker 1: five days a week. That's the easiest to go on,

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Speaker 1: but check out on Twitter. We'll let you know. But

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Speaker 1: we might go a day earlier next week, but stay

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Speaker 1: tuned for that. I want to thank Dame Burglar, David Hellman,

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Speaker 1: Kank Garrison, executive producer. I want to thank Scott Purcell

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Speaker 1: and Dave Burns and Blake Silverstone, Uh Silverthorne there you go.

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Speaker 1: Someone said, Silverstone thinking a racetrack, Silverthorne for what they

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Speaker 1: do for us. In the TV side setting all this up,

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Speaker 1: we will see you next week from the SBbc Morgae

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Speaker 1: Studios for the Draft Show. Thank