WEBVTT - Selects: Who were the Buffalo Soldiers?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, everybody, happy, Saturday's Chuck here with a Saturday Select

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<v Speaker 1>Select shun. Yeah, that works. This week, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>go with who Were the Buffalo Soldiers? This from January

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty, and I love my history episodes that we do,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is one that I really enjoyed doing because

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<v Speaker 1>we dug in didn't know anything about this topic, and

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<v Speaker 1>those are always my favorite when I go and kind

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<v Speaker 1>of blind and learn a lot. So check it out

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<v Speaker 1>Who Were the Buffalo Soldiers? Welcome to Stuff You Should Know,

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<v Speaker 1>a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's

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<v Speaker 2>Charles w Action, Jackson Bryant, right, sure, and then there's

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<v Speaker 2>Jerry over there, the flash that makes this stuff you

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<v Speaker 2>should know.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. If there's a one thing people say to

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<v Speaker 1>me is how much I'm like Carl Weathers. Sure, and

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<v Speaker 1>how speedy Jerry is.

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<v Speaker 2>Why do I want to say that Carl Weathers had

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<v Speaker 2>one arm in Action Jackson?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that was a case.

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<v Speaker 2>Has he ever had one arm in any of his Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>I think his arm gets pulled off in Predator? Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm conflating the two.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds about right, I saw Predator, but just once,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, when it came out.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw it within the last twelve months. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's even better now as it grown up.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, Okay, I can really feel the tension

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<v Speaker 2>like you're in the jungle there with everybody. It's amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you been singing the Buffalo Soldier song like constantly

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<v Speaker 1>in your head.

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<v Speaker 2>Despite my best efforts, I can't stop.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I looked up the lyrics because I was just

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I know some of them, but I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of see where exactly he was probably talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the soldiers. Yeah, and there were some kind of

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<v Speaker 1>on the those references. Sure you mentioned san Juan, mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>San Juan.

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<v Speaker 2>What else?

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<v Speaker 1>You know? Fighting for America, fighting on arrival, fighting for survival.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure.

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<v Speaker 1>I always got it wrong though. I thought he said

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<v Speaker 1>dreadlock rock Star.

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<v Speaker 2>No, he says dreadlock Rosta.

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<v Speaker 1>I know I've learned that today.

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<v Speaker 2>I did Lock rock Star.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been seeing well. I thought he was talking about himself.

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<v Speaker 2>That's hilarious.

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<v Speaker 1>I was singing it wrong. I mean he was singing

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<v Speaker 1>about himself.

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<v Speaker 2>No, he's singing about the Buffalo Soldiers.

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<v Speaker 1>They weren't rostas I.

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<v Speaker 2>Guess some of them could have been. Maybe we'll find out.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, I've been singing for forty years. Dreadlock rock star.

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<v Speaker 1>That's pretty great, like a dumb dumb.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's all right, it's pretty close, man, And it

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<v Speaker 2>still makes sense. The ones that don't make sense are

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<v Speaker 2>the hilarious ones.

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<v Speaker 1>That just seems like a very like, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety one white college kid thing to sing.

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<v Speaker 2>Dread like rock star, Yeah, dread lock frock. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>When you first start listening to Bob Marley.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh huh, okay, you're ready, I'm ready. So we're talking

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<v Speaker 2>Buffalo Soldiers, and it is not just about Marley song.

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<v Speaker 2>It's if anything, the Bob Marley song is kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like a historic history lesson, which is kind of interesting

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<v Speaker 2>a bit. But the Buffalo Soldiers was the name of

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<v Speaker 2>some all black regiments and then eventually all black soldiers

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<v Speaker 2>in the United States fighting in the United States military.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, from right after the Civil War all the

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<v Speaker 2>way up until I think nineteen fifty one, when the

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<v Speaker 2>last all black regiment was disbanded in the military, was

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<v Speaker 2>in practice desegregated.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but when did you say that happened?

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<v Speaker 2>I think nineteen fifty one.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, but they did not take on that name till

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<v Speaker 1>post Civil War.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, and at first it wasn't a name that they

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<v Speaker 2>took on themselves. It was a name that was given

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<v Speaker 2>to them. There's a lot of dispute over where it

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<v Speaker 2>came from, who's the first to use it, that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of stuff. But it's a really interesting history, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>not just an interesting like military history. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of like terrible tragic irony involved. There's this kind of

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<v Speaker 2>overarching theme where you can make a case that the

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<v Speaker 2>Buffalo Soldiers are the ones who actually paved the way

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<v Speaker 2>for desegregation throughout the entire United States. You can trace

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<v Speaker 2>a direct line from their service to desegregation. It's pretty

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<v Speaker 2>pretty amazing stuff. And yet there's still this kind of

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<v Speaker 2>cloud that hangs over them historically because of one of

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<v Speaker 2>the things that they participated in, which was the genocide

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<v Speaker 2>of Native Americans at the behest of the white US government.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, because they were trying to earn a place in

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<v Speaker 1>white America and gain some status and prestige.

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<v Speaker 2>And white America was like, we want you to do

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<v Speaker 2>something for us first.

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<v Speaker 1>And we'll still probably not grant you that respect.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which is kind of par for the course from

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<v Speaker 2>what I understand as far as military service and being

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<v Speaker 2>black in America goes. In the Battle of New Orleans,

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<v Speaker 2>the Black Phalanx, this black regiment ended up.

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty cool name.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it really is. They ended up basically winning the

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<v Speaker 2>battle against the British at the Battle of New Orleans,

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<v Speaker 2>which actually came ironically after the end of the War

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<v Speaker 2>of eighteen twelve, but it was still a decisive battle

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<v Speaker 2>and they had been mustered a lot of them from

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<v Speaker 2>local plantations by Andrew Jackson, and Jackson had promised them

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<v Speaker 2>their freedom if they came and fought and won. And

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<v Speaker 2>they came and fought and won, and Jackson said, yes, sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to go back to your plantations. I was lying, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not a surprise. Yeah, but imagine that. And that

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<v Speaker 2>was not the first time that that had happened to him.

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<v Speaker 2>That was pretty much par for the course. While they

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<v Speaker 2>were enslaved, they would be promised freedom for fighting and

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<v Speaker 2>then no, after the fact, that's just it's not going

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<v Speaker 2>to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And you know, like we said, the Buffalo soldiers

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<v Speaker 1>post Civil War were and we'll get to like their

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<v Speaker 1>formal designation and their regiments and stuff like that. But

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<v Speaker 1>there had been individuals enlisted in all the way back

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<v Speaker 1>to the Revolutionary War. There were you know, black individuals

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<v Speaker 1>that would go and fight, but they just weren't grouped

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<v Speaker 1>in their own regiments. The first one was the Black

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<v Speaker 1>Regiment in Rhode Island, I think, yeah, in the Revolutionary War.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't we talk about them in a short stuff about

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<v Speaker 2>the Black Revolutionary War Fighters and they moved up to

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<v Speaker 2>Nova Scotia. We definitely did, did we.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Grabster put this a lot of this together

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<v Speaker 1>for us, which was a big help. And it's important

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<v Speaker 1>to look at what was going on after the Civil

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<v Speaker 1>War and this unique set of circumstances that created that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of led to these regiments being formed. Yeah, which

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<v Speaker 1>was about twelve thousand maybe a little bit more black

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<v Speaker 1>veteran soldiers from the Civil War all of a sudden

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<v Speaker 1>needed jobs and they were soldiers at this point, so

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<v Speaker 1>they were like, you know, I'll keep doing this, this

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<v Speaker 1>could be my career. Like give us a job in

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<v Speaker 1>reconstruction in the South, they needed federal troops.

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<v Speaker 2>They needed white federal troops.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, it was probably not a good idea to

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<v Speaker 1>send black troops to oversee reconstruction, so.

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<v Speaker 2>To occupy the South, can you imagine?

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<v Speaker 1>No, it would not have been oh my god. So

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<v Speaker 1>they sent white troops, of course, but that created a

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<v Speaker 1>vacuum elsewhere where they could use and utilize these black troops.

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<v Speaker 1>There were four million slaves that were now free and

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<v Speaker 1>ed hazard a guests that you know, let's say a million,

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<v Speaker 1>one and a half million of these were adult males

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<v Speaker 1>that were ready to go and serve and fight if

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<v Speaker 1>need be. And then we were going west, and we

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<v Speaker 1>knew that there were Native Americans out there that were

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<v Speaker 1>not going to go easily. There was Mexico looming on

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<v Speaker 1>the horizon as potential conflict. And because they were sending

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<v Speaker 1>white soldiers to the South, they needed people to go

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<v Speaker 1>out west and kind of, you know, keep the peace

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<v Speaker 1>in a way and take care of business in another way.

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<v Speaker 2>Or to remove Native Americans forcibly from their ancestral lands.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>So on July twenty eight, eighteen sixty six, Congress did

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<v Speaker 2>something really surprising. They said, we've got all these kind

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<v Speaker 2>of expansionist ideas. We've got the South that we need

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<v Speaker 2>to occupy. We need a bigger army. We're going to

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<v Speaker 2>raise a huge peacetime army. And not only that, we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to form some all black regiments. We're going to

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<v Speaker 2>let black people enlist for the first time ever as

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<v Speaker 2>peacetime soldiers.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and partially because they just needed people, and partially

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<v Speaker 1>because they thought these black veterans that fought in the

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<v Speaker 1>Civil War for the Union, they should be rewarded with

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<v Speaker 1>jobs exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So for the first time, the federal government didn't renege

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<v Speaker 2>on the offer of something better after having served and

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<v Speaker 2>fought as a soldier. So there's a big deal in

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<v Speaker 2>just having allowing soldiers black soldiers to enlist during peacetime. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>But the fact that they could enlistment that they could

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<v Speaker 2>become officers as well, which meant West Point was open

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<v Speaker 2>to black soldiers for the first.

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<v Speaker 1>Time, which was a huge deal in eighteen So in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen sixty six is when they expanded the army. Just

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<v Speaker 1>a few years later they wanted to shrink the army

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit, so they consolidated a bunch of regiments

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<v Speaker 1>down to twenty five and the original I think it

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<v Speaker 1>was six four infantry and two cavalry were now shrunk

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<v Speaker 1>down and combined into the ninth cavalry, the tenth Cavalry.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying both cavalry and cavalry.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, just covering all your bases.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though only one of them is correct in this cavalry,

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty fourth Infantry in the twenty fifth Infantry, right.

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<v Speaker 2>And the fact that they survived this downsizing of the

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<v Speaker 2>army because Congress went, we need a big army. That's

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<v Speaker 2>too big, let's get rid of some soldiers. The fact

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<v Speaker 2>that all black regiments survived is really miraculous because in

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<v Speaker 2>that downsizing decree a few years later, it wasn't included

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<v Speaker 2>like and we still needed to keep black regiments intact, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And William T. Cumps to Sherman was no great friend

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<v Speaker 2>to the black man by any stretch of the imagination.

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<v Speaker 2>And he was in charge of downsizing these troops. And

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<v Speaker 2>yet he knew enough that there was still congress people,

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<v Speaker 2>congressmen in Congress who had created the black regiments in

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<v Speaker 2>the first place. They would not be very happy if

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<v Speaker 2>he just dissolved them, so he kept him intact and

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<v Speaker 2>actually just went from six to four.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And it's interesting because it was peacetime, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>during wartime, especially back then, it was really pretty easy

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<v Speaker 1>to get people to sign up and volunteer and fight

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<v Speaker 1>for whatever side they were on. But in peacetime they

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<v Speaker 1>found that they could get the cream of the crop

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<v Speaker 1>of black soldiers because they didn't have as much opportunity,

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<v Speaker 1>so they could really be picky and get these really

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<v Speaker 1>like super capable fighters, whereas on the other side during

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<v Speaker 1>peacetime it was harder to get white soldiers that were

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<v Speaker 1>as capable because they had much more opportunities to do

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<v Speaker 1>other things beyond like, hey, I got nothing going on,

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<v Speaker 1>let's sign it for the army.

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<v Speaker 2>Right exactly. And in the army too, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of mythologizing about, you know, how the black regiments were treated.

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<v Speaker 2>It related to white regiments as well, and it seems

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<v Speaker 2>like some historians have shown if you trace the supply lines,

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<v Speaker 2>the black regiments got the same shoddy and then increasingly

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<v Speaker 2>better supplies as the white regiments at the same time.

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<v Speaker 2>And in the army, you had just opportunities that just

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<v Speaker 2>weren't afforded to you outside, like the opportunity to make money,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and to have savings and a pension, things

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<v Speaker 2>that you could you could kind of bank on a

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<v Speaker 2>future with that that was just not part of the

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<v Speaker 2>black experience of black men back then, right, you know, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Think that's a very robust set up and more.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh oh, we're still doing setup.

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<v Speaker 1>No, let's be on, like that's why I said and more. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>But I think what I'm trying to say is it's

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<v Speaker 1>a great time for a break. Okay, Yeah, yeah, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be right back and we'll talk a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>about how this name came to be right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's a lot in here about how this name

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<v Speaker 1>came to be, right, But I think we candense it.

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<v Speaker 1>We can condense it to just a couple of versions,

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<v Speaker 1>one of which was that the name may have come

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<v Speaker 1>from the Native a mayor Pricans as sort of an honor,

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<v Speaker 1>like they're brave and they fight, They're like fierce, like

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<v Speaker 1>the buffalo.

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<v Speaker 2>And like Sasha fierce.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what that is.

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<v Speaker 2>That's like Beyonce's weird alias. Really, why do stars, when

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<v Speaker 2>you get to this enormous, huge point, decide to create

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<v Speaker 2>an alter ego that's always not good? Chris Gaines, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>learn the lesson from Chris Gaines.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, who else has done that?

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't matter Chris Ganes.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of them Ziggy Stardus certainly worked. Captain Fantastic worked fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Gaines negates all those.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I agree, Okay, I didn't know that. Beyonce very

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<v Speaker 1>short lived? Really and what was the persona? Was it?

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<v Speaker 2>Really? I guess she was fierce. I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 2>just heard her name a couple of times.

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<v Speaker 1>Beyonce's fierce though, right right.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't need an alter ego Beyonce. You're fierce enough.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't want to go too much fiercer.

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<v Speaker 1>You should be her manager. I should, you know all

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<v Speaker 1>the right moves, so that that is. One of the

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<v Speaker 1>stories was that it was honor, a name of honor

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<v Speaker 1>from the Native Americans. But this to me sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>it might have been just something kind of cooked up

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<v Speaker 1>in history.

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<v Speaker 2>Books, or it just kind of converted into that. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>the Smithsonian Museum of African American History says, yeah, that

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<v Speaker 2>stands as popular lore. That's one example. Another is, basically

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<v Speaker 2>there's two competing ones, and that is that the Native

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<v Speaker 2>Americans did give this name to the black soldiers, but

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<v Speaker 2>that they were referring to the wooliness of the black

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<v Speaker 2>soldier's hair compared to white soldier's hair, and that if

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<v Speaker 2>you look between the horns of a buffalo, that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like to pay almost that the buffalo is wearing

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<v Speaker 2>bears of vague resemblance to it, And that's where it

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<v Speaker 2>initially came from.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And there's like direct evidence from letters and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>of the time of this, whether or not it was

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<v Speaker 1>true or not, it was at least down in print

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<v Speaker 1>as being the reason. Yeah, but we don't know for sure,

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<v Speaker 1>and we don't know for sure how they felt about

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<v Speaker 1>the name, other than it seems like as time went

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<v Speaker 1>on they kind of embraced the name as a designation.

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<v Speaker 1>And in one case there was one troop that did

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<v Speaker 1>use a bison on a patch on their uniform, but

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<v Speaker 1>then bison were used on other patches on uniforms of

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<v Speaker 1>white soldiers too.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was strictly Black regiments, oh really, just

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<v Speaker 2>later ones that weren't the ninth, tenth, twenty fourth, or

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<v Speaker 2>twenty fifth. Oh gotcha, that was my interpretation, Okay, But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>by the time I think nineteen eleven is when that

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<v Speaker 2>first patch appears, So by the time nineteen eleven rolls around,

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<v Speaker 2>the Black regiments had totally like taken on buffalo soldier

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<v Speaker 2>as a name of honor.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and Ed points out, and I think it's fair.

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<v Speaker 1>It's easy now in twenty twenty to look back at

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<v Speaker 1>two ethnic groups that were kept under the thumb of

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<v Speaker 1>the white man and say that, oh, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>Native Americans respected them as fierce fighters, and the black

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<v Speaker 1>soulis respected the Native Americans. But that's probably retroactive revision

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<v Speaker 1>is history, because you know, there were plenty of cases

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<v Speaker 1>where the Buffalo soldiers referred to them as you know, savages,

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<v Speaker 1>and one case of one soldier, you know, going as

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<v Speaker 1>a costume party dressed up in I guess what you

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<v Speaker 1>would call red face. Oh yeah, and so yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>seems like that's sort of cooked up these days, like

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<v Speaker 1>they really had much respect for one another during their battles.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't know if that's the case.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but you can understand how that would how people

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<v Speaker 2>would want to do that, sure, you know, because I

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<v Speaker 2>mean the sending African American soldiers out to remove Native

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<v Speaker 2>Americans from their land with violence. Yeah, at the behest

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<v Speaker 2>of white people.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not a good story.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's a terrible story.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. It takes a bad story makes it worse.

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<v Speaker 2>And then at the same time, there's a real silver

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<v Speaker 2>lying to it. There's that good story that like black

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<v Speaker 2>soldiers served as heroes for the black community in America

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<v Speaker 2>as a whole at a time when they really needed

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<v Speaker 2>some black heroes, you know, the Jim Crow South was

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<v Speaker 2>really starting to solidify. So it's not like an all

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<v Speaker 2>bad story, but it's definitely not an all good story either.

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<v Speaker 2>So people want like a nice story book ending for sure,

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<v Speaker 2>which is surely where that came from.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think so. So should we talk a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit about what they did, Yeah, we should service record.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. When they were first assembled in I think that

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<v Speaker 2>late to mid eighteen sixties, they were almost immediately moved

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<v Speaker 2>out to the frontier Kansas and Texas, New Mexico, pushing

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<v Speaker 2>further and further west as their work was increasingly successful.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and usually under the command of white officers. It

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<v Speaker 1>was not looked at as some great assignment. If you

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<v Speaker 1>were a white officer to west and command one of

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<v Speaker 1>the Buffalo Soldier regiments.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it would have been like being stationed in Alaska

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<v Speaker 2>or something like that. Alaska's great, although some white commanding

0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:13.840
<v Speaker 2>officers did rise to the occasion.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and had a lot of great things to say

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<v Speaker 1>about the soldiers too.

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<v Speaker 2>For sure, some of them definitely did not rise to

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<v Speaker 2>the occasion and actually went the other way, right, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you mentioned West Point. This was a huge

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<v Speaker 1>deal because, like you said, now, these young men could

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<v Speaker 1>go attend West Point and come out officers upon entry

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<v Speaker 1>into the army. There were quite a few cases. One

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<v Speaker 1>was a man named Henry Flipper. He was the first

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<v Speaker 1>black graduate of West Point in eighteen seventy seven, came

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<v Speaker 1>out as second lieutenant in the tenth Cavalry and was

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<v Speaker 1>basically set up with a court martial. There was a

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<v Speaker 1>case where there was some He was put in charge

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<v Speaker 1>of a quartermaster safe to guard it basically and take

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<v Speaker 1>charge of it. Money comes missing, he kind of freaks

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<v Speaker 1>out and lies about it. It's kind of all evidence

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<v Speaker 1>pointing to the fact that he didn't take the money,

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<v Speaker 1>but he did lie about how did he went?

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<v Speaker 2>What did he lie about?

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<v Speaker 1>Then?

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't find.

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<v Speaker 1>That the initial money was missing at all. Maybe I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not really sure, but it looks like it was a setup.

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<v Speaker 1>He was acquitted of the main charge even back then,

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<v Speaker 1>and was found guilty of an added charge of conduct

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<v Speaker 1>unbecoming of an officer. The lying part right and was

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<v Speaker 1>dismissed from the army, which even back then was an

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<v Speaker 1>overblown sentence compared to the similar charges of white officers.

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<v Speaker 2>Right and the army at the time. He could have

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<v Speaker 2>gotten his discharge changed to a honorable discharge, but the

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<v Speaker 2>Army apparently didn't have any procedure to do that, so

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<v Speaker 2>it was up to the commander in chief, Chester A.

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<v Speaker 2>Arthur to decide yeah or nay, and he just he

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<v Speaker 2>just let it pass by, right. But he so, lieutenant

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<v Speaker 2>was he a lieutenant?

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<v Speaker 1>Second lieutenant?

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<v Speaker 2>Second lieutenant Flipper went to his grave saying that he

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<v Speaker 2>was innocent. And in the nineties, I think nineteen ninety eight,

0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:09.760
<v Speaker 2>Bill Clinton finally pardoned him. Billy boy, he did, and

0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:15.120
<v Speaker 2>Clinton that ghoul ordered him exhumed and reburied with full

0:20:15.119 --> 0:20:18.800
<v Speaker 2>military honors. Oh interesting, But they suspect that Clinton just

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to see what the body looked like. Come on,

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<v Speaker 2>he said, let's do this, right, Yeah, he probably did

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<v Speaker 2>say that.

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<v Speaker 1>So there are another couple of cases, John Hanks, Alexander

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<v Speaker 1>and Charles Young. They were West Point grads early on

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<v Speaker 1>they went on to lead these regiments. And that's not

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<v Speaker 1>to say that at West Point it was smooth Salin

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<v Speaker 1>of course, you know, they had a very hard time

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<v Speaker 1>there and still persevered extraordinarily.

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<v Speaker 2>It points out that in the Tuskegee Airman Episode two,

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<v Speaker 2>I think we talked about how those guys who went

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<v Speaker 2>through West Point had or the military academies had just

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<v Speaker 2>an awful time of it too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean that happened. I mean it probably still

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<v Speaker 1>happens to some degree, sure, But I mean I read

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<v Speaker 1>The Lords of Discipline. I did too, and saw the movie.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I saw the movie or not.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was what year was that set? That was?

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<v Speaker 2>It's probably sixties, wasn't I don't remember. What was the

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<v Speaker 2>problem with that guy? He just was soft or something,

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't it He like was h he had feelings, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, I don't remember. I haven't seen it in a

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<v Speaker 1>long time. Yeah, but that was the Citadel, not West Point.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is Navy, I think, right, Air Force Marines.

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<v Speaker 1>What the citadel is?

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<v Speaker 2>National Guard?

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<v Speaker 1>No, cub Scouts, Yes, it was cub Scouts, Citadel famous

0:21:44.560 --> 0:21:51.760
<v Speaker 1>cub Scout. So these regiments had about a thousand troops

0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:59.480
<v Speaker 1>and officers, but they were constantly under supplied, and like

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<v Speaker 1>you said earlier, there's no evidence that they were intentionally undersupplied.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but it's a myth that they were.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but kind of everyone out west was because it

0:22:07.480 --> 0:22:09.159
<v Speaker 1>takes a long time to get stuff out there, and

0:22:09.200 --> 0:22:12.400
<v Speaker 1>a lot of those old Civil War weapons and equipment

0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:14.040
<v Speaker 1>were pretty shoddy anyway. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Plus, I mean it's not really easy to come by

0:22:16.080 --> 0:22:18.879
<v Speaker 2>water in the New Mexico Desert. Sure, you're fighting the

0:22:18.960 --> 0:22:23.520
<v Speaker 2>Cheyenne or the Apache, like, so you have horses that

0:22:23.560 --> 0:22:27.199
<v Speaker 2>need water too, because you're a cavalry unit and the

0:22:27.240 --> 0:22:30.200
<v Speaker 2>horses were breaking down. Was a really bad time as

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<v Speaker 2>they were moving further and further west. Because we tend

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<v Speaker 2>to think of the United States military like in the

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<v Speaker 2>terms of today, this just incredibly well oiled, logistical juggernaut. Sure,

0:22:43.200 --> 0:22:45.600
<v Speaker 2>that was not the case after the Civil War. As

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<v Speaker 2>a matter of fact, until I believe the Spanish American War,

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<v Speaker 2>the United States military was looked upon internationally is kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like a not the best around. Oh yeah, certainly

0:22:56.160 --> 0:22:59.199
<v Speaker 2>not the best equipped the logistics. We didn't have that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of stuff down.

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't hear it from me, but right exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>But and this is you know, the army that these

0:23:08.040 --> 0:23:11.840
<v Speaker 2>guys were enlisted in. Yeah, so they were dealing with

0:23:11.920 --> 0:23:15.040
<v Speaker 2>an army that was not was finding its feet, and

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<v Speaker 2>then also on the frontier of the United States at

0:23:18.920 --> 0:23:22.520
<v Speaker 2>a time when they're protecting the people building the railroads.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's not even the railroads out there yet. One

0:23:25.160 --> 0:23:29.000
<v Speaker 2>of their jobs was to protect railroad workers, mail carriers,

0:23:29.440 --> 0:23:33.680
<v Speaker 2>people who were on trattle drives. Yeah, these were the

0:23:34.000 --> 0:23:35.199
<v Speaker 2>jobs they were tasked with.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they were also fighting, like we said, in what

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<v Speaker 1>was known as the Indian Wars, including some of the

0:23:41.320 --> 0:23:42.159
<v Speaker 1>some of the big ones.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we need to do a big old episode

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<v Speaker 2>on the Indian Wars.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's do it. Wounded Knee, the White River War.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd never heard of that one.

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<v Speaker 2>I looked it up. The war is not a term

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<v Speaker 2>for most of these. It should be a massacred. No,

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<v Speaker 2>it should be straight up massacres.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, here's the other thing too, this is really easy

0:24:02.119 --> 0:24:05.480
<v Speaker 2>for guys like us to do, especially in retrospect, is

0:24:06.400 --> 0:24:11.600
<v Speaker 2>what's called like mythologizing the noble savage, right where where

0:24:11.640 --> 0:24:14.120
<v Speaker 2>we kind of make it seem like the Indians were

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<v Speaker 2>just the people who, you know, kind of meekly accepted

0:24:18.800 --> 0:24:22.600
<v Speaker 2>their fate and were just rolled over by the US government.

0:24:22.920 --> 0:24:26.480
<v Speaker 2>Through this westward expansion. That's not the case. In almost

0:24:26.520 --> 0:24:28.879
<v Speaker 2>every case, the further west we got, the fearce of

0:24:28.920 --> 0:24:32.880
<v Speaker 2>the fighting got. They pushed back. For sure. They engaged

0:24:32.920 --> 0:24:38.480
<v Speaker 2>in massacres that included killing women and children and non combatants.

0:24:39.080 --> 0:24:42.800
<v Speaker 2>Both sides did. So it's not like the Native Americans

0:24:42.840 --> 0:24:47.560
<v Speaker 2>were just innocent of bloodshed. But it's important to remember

0:24:47.760 --> 0:24:52.160
<v Speaker 2>that they were defending their lands from invaders. They were

0:24:52.160 --> 0:24:54.880
<v Speaker 2>the insurgents in that so there's like a certain amount

0:24:54.920 --> 0:25:00.359
<v Speaker 2>of moral higher ground that they're afforded just for in

0:25:00.400 --> 0:25:03.040
<v Speaker 2>that position, right, you know, oh, for sure. But it's

0:25:03.080 --> 0:25:05.320
<v Speaker 2>just that's the thing. That's why I've always been fascinated

0:25:05.359 --> 0:25:09.199
<v Speaker 2>about history. It is like it's never just you know,

0:25:09.320 --> 0:25:10.040
<v Speaker 2>black and white.

0:25:10.119 --> 0:25:12.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's so much nuance. Yeah, that gets overlooked, especially

0:25:12.840 --> 0:25:15.760
<v Speaker 1>if you were raised in like, you know, public schools

0:25:15.760 --> 0:25:16.320
<v Speaker 1>in America.

0:25:16.440 --> 0:25:18.240
<v Speaker 2>Exactly, not a lot of nuance going on, right, and

0:25:18.720 --> 0:25:21.600
<v Speaker 2>white people swooped in and everything was great, exactly.

0:25:22.080 --> 0:25:26.080
<v Speaker 1>So by the eighteen nineties, the Indian Wars ended, the

0:25:26.119 --> 0:25:29.920
<v Speaker 1>reservations popped up, or they were just flat out massacred

0:25:30.000 --> 0:25:33.680
<v Speaker 1>like you said, or imprisoned. And this is when the

0:25:33.720 --> 0:25:37.640
<v Speaker 1>Buffalo soldiers started taking part in some of the land

0:25:37.680 --> 0:25:41.520
<v Speaker 1>disputes out west with white settlers. Yeah, the removal of

0:25:41.600 --> 0:25:43.000
<v Speaker 1>the Sooners in Oklahoma.

0:25:43.080 --> 0:25:45.200
<v Speaker 2>That's huge. It is huge because all of a sudden,

0:25:45.200 --> 0:25:47.880
<v Speaker 2>black regiments show up and they're like, you might be white,

0:25:47.880 --> 0:25:49.280
<v Speaker 2>but you need to get out of here because you

0:25:49.320 --> 0:25:50.399
<v Speaker 2>didn't follow the rules.

0:25:50.400 --> 0:25:50.840
<v Speaker 1>That's right.

0:25:51.000 --> 0:25:54.679
<v Speaker 2>That's a huge change from a decade or so before

0:25:54.800 --> 0:25:57.960
<v Speaker 2>when like those people would have been enslaved in the South. Right,

0:25:58.320 --> 0:25:59.400
<v Speaker 2>it's a big deal.

0:25:59.640 --> 0:26:03.040
<v Speaker 1>What else you mentioned San Juan from the Bob Marley song.

0:26:03.200 --> 0:26:06.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was when they entered the national stage for

0:26:06.640 --> 0:26:07.200
<v Speaker 2>the first time.

0:26:07.280 --> 0:26:10.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, fighting in Cuba in Puerto Rico.

0:26:10.440 --> 0:26:13.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's very confusing. They fought at the Battle of

0:26:13.080 --> 0:26:16.200
<v Speaker 2>San Juan Hill in Cuba and the Battle for San

0:26:16.240 --> 0:26:20.480
<v Speaker 2>Juan in Puerto Rico. That's right under the tenth Regiment,

0:26:21.359 --> 0:26:24.960
<v Speaker 2>under the command of a guy named General John Pershing, Yes,

0:26:25.280 --> 0:26:27.320
<v Speaker 2>who you might be familiar with, is known as black

0:26:27.400 --> 0:26:29.720
<v Speaker 2>Jack Pershing, the famous World War One general.

0:26:29.880 --> 0:26:31.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I had heard, I knew, I'd heard of him.

0:26:31.480 --> 0:26:34.119
<v Speaker 2>He was named Blackjack because he was in command of

0:26:34.160 --> 0:26:36.520
<v Speaker 2>the black regiments, the tenth Cavalry.

0:26:36.480 --> 0:26:38.520
<v Speaker 1>And I mean, I think in the First World War

0:26:38.600 --> 0:26:43.040
<v Speaker 1>he was a little less willing to stand up and

0:26:43.119 --> 0:26:45.280
<v Speaker 1>like advocate for them. But by the time World War

0:26:45.320 --> 0:26:46.879
<v Speaker 1>Two came around, he was okay.

0:26:46.960 --> 0:26:48.560
<v Speaker 2>So I didn't hear about the World War two part.

0:26:48.600 --> 0:26:50.600
<v Speaker 2>But that was a pretty big betrayal in World War

0:26:50.680 --> 0:26:54.280
<v Speaker 2>One because he led the tenth Cavalry up San Juan

0:26:54.359 --> 0:26:58.479
<v Speaker 2>Hill in Cuba, along with the rough Riders, along with

0:26:58.720 --> 0:27:04.080
<v Speaker 2>white infantry. This battle was one of the first ones

0:27:04.440 --> 0:27:08.120
<v Speaker 2>right before the turn of the twentieth century where there

0:27:08.119 --> 0:27:10.959
<v Speaker 2>were if you were standing back, like looking at this battle,

0:27:11.280 --> 0:27:14.240
<v Speaker 2>there's black guys, there's white guys, there's black guys on horses,

0:27:14.320 --> 0:27:18.040
<v Speaker 2>there's Spanish people coming down here, like there's all these people,

0:27:18.119 --> 0:27:23.360
<v Speaker 2>but the black soldiers and the white soldiers were intermingling,

0:27:23.440 --> 0:27:27.360
<v Speaker 2>fighting together, side by side. Yeah, and they won. And

0:27:27.520 --> 0:27:29.919
<v Speaker 2>Teddy Roosevelt said it was all me. I won the

0:27:29.960 --> 0:27:34.040
<v Speaker 2>Battle of Cuba San Juan in Cuba. But historians say, actually, no,

0:27:34.200 --> 0:27:38.399
<v Speaker 2>these black regiments, specifically the tenth Cavalry, really won this

0:27:38.520 --> 0:27:41.760
<v Speaker 2>battle in the Spanish American War done in Cuba, and

0:27:42.200 --> 0:27:45.399
<v Speaker 2>it was huge. It put the Buffalo soldiers on the

0:27:45.440 --> 0:27:49.160
<v Speaker 2>map for really the first time ever in the American

0:27:49.480 --> 0:27:55.040
<v Speaker 2>popular consciousness and like black families around America, Like you

0:27:55.080 --> 0:27:56.639
<v Speaker 2>could go into their dining room and there'd be a

0:27:56.680 --> 0:27:58.960
<v Speaker 2>print of like a painting of the Battle of San

0:27:59.000 --> 0:28:03.200
<v Speaker 2>Juan with the buffalo storming the hill. Like one historian

0:28:03.280 --> 0:28:07.280
<v Speaker 2>put it that they were there that generation's Jackie Robinson

0:28:07.720 --> 0:28:10.479
<v Speaker 2>and Joe Lewis, like they were the heroes. Like I

0:28:10.520 --> 0:28:12.080
<v Speaker 2>was saying, they were the heroes at a time when

0:28:12.119 --> 0:28:15.760
<v Speaker 2>Jim Crow laws were really coming into into force. I'd

0:28:15.760 --> 0:28:20.040
<v Speaker 2>a really really bleak time for black America. All of

0:28:20.080 --> 0:28:23.520
<v Speaker 2>a sudden, there's these buffalo soldiers that basically helped win

0:28:23.600 --> 0:28:27.439
<v Speaker 2>the Spanish American War, fighting alongside white soldiers too and

0:28:27.840 --> 0:28:29.440
<v Speaker 2>being equal in that respect.

0:28:29.640 --> 0:28:31.640
<v Speaker 1>And that's why you'll see all those statues right next

0:28:31.640 --> 0:28:35.800
<v Speaker 1>to Teddy Roosevelt exactly exactly. And you know what, I

0:28:35.840 --> 0:28:38.680
<v Speaker 1>may have made up that part about General Pershing advocating

0:28:38.680 --> 0:28:40.600
<v Speaker 1>more of World War two, now that I think about it.

0:28:40.520 --> 0:28:43.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh, well, that was I didn't get to the betrayal thing, chuck.

0:28:43.120 --> 0:28:46.920
<v Speaker 2>So when World War One rolled around, he was in

0:28:47.040 --> 0:28:51.040
<v Speaker 2>charge of I think basically everybody in Europe, and he

0:28:51.240 --> 0:28:54.480
<v Speaker 2>turned his back on his black regiment and all black

0:28:54.520 --> 0:28:56.959
<v Speaker 2>soldiers and basically said, no, you guys fight in your

0:28:56.960 --> 0:28:59.240
<v Speaker 2>own regiment, so I don't want you fighting side by side.

0:29:00.120 --> 0:29:02.440
<v Speaker 2>But the French were like, hey, come fight with us,

0:29:02.920 --> 0:29:04.160
<v Speaker 2>we'll command you.

0:29:04.560 --> 0:29:05.240
<v Speaker 1>And that happened.

0:29:05.280 --> 0:29:07.640
<v Speaker 2>That reminded me. The French were also the first ones

0:29:07.760 --> 0:29:12.320
<v Speaker 2>to recognize officially the native American code talkers, even before

0:29:12.360 --> 0:29:13.320
<v Speaker 2>the United States did.

0:29:13.360 --> 0:29:14.040
<v Speaker 1>Oh I remember that.

0:29:14.400 --> 0:29:17.960
<v Speaker 2>And they also used black aviators in World War One too.

0:29:18.480 --> 0:29:22.880
<v Speaker 2>So up with the French historically speaking, right, there's a teachhert.

0:29:22.920 --> 0:29:26.400
<v Speaker 1>They gave us those fries, sure, and that bread you.

0:29:26.360 --> 0:29:27.280
<v Speaker 2>Mean freedom fries?

0:29:27.400 --> 0:29:29.120
<v Speaker 1>Uh huh, freedom bread.

0:29:29.200 --> 0:29:30.680
<v Speaker 2>I feel like I'm talking a lot.

0:29:31.160 --> 0:29:33.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, am I? I mean no more than usual?

0:29:33.880 --> 0:29:35.400
<v Speaker 2>Okay, freedom bread.

0:29:36.480 --> 0:29:40.000
<v Speaker 1>So in World War Two, the Buffalo Soldier units were

0:29:40.080 --> 0:29:43.080
<v Speaker 1>used a lot a lot of times, though they were

0:29:43.120 --> 0:29:46.440
<v Speaker 1>not on the front lines. They were stuck to administrative

0:29:46.440 --> 0:29:50.160
<v Speaker 1>and support duties. But they did join in combat here

0:29:50.200 --> 0:29:55.040
<v Speaker 1>and there and on both the theaters and the war mostly

0:29:55.080 --> 0:29:58.800
<v Speaker 1>toward toward the end of World War Two. But it

0:29:58.880 --> 0:30:01.680
<v Speaker 1>was you know, a lot of the US A lot

0:30:01.720 --> 0:30:03.240
<v Speaker 1>of the good that you see coming out of what

0:30:03.280 --> 0:30:07.560
<v Speaker 1>the Buffalo Soldiers did was foundation work and groundwork for

0:30:07.680 --> 0:30:13.040
<v Speaker 1>desegregating the military, for showing that these guys are just

0:30:13.080 --> 0:30:16.600
<v Speaker 1>the same as white soldiers. They're just as capable, they

0:30:16.640 --> 0:30:19.840
<v Speaker 1>fight just as bravely, and it really kind of laid

0:30:19.880 --> 0:30:23.040
<v Speaker 1>that groundwork for the desegregation after the war.

0:30:23.280 --> 0:30:27.080
<v Speaker 2>Yes, like a direct line for it. It's weird, but

0:30:27.240 --> 0:30:31.000
<v Speaker 2>they basically a way to put it is that white

0:30:31.040 --> 0:30:34.400
<v Speaker 2>America said, okay, all right, if you will, we'll give

0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:37.840
<v Speaker 2>you a shot. You go out and serve in battle,

0:30:37.840 --> 0:30:39.800
<v Speaker 2>and let's see what you what you can do, and

0:30:39.840 --> 0:30:43.960
<v Speaker 2>then maybe we'll see what we'll see from there. And

0:30:44.360 --> 0:30:49.360
<v Speaker 2>just by being given that one opportunity to show that

0:30:49.440 --> 0:30:52.280
<v Speaker 2>they could do things that were presumed they couldn't, like

0:30:52.480 --> 0:30:56.719
<v Speaker 2>act bravely and fight and be a good soldier, that

0:30:56.880 --> 0:31:00.160
<v Speaker 2>was like, you know, good at being a soldier. They

0:31:00.200 --> 0:31:02.760
<v Speaker 2>proved that all of these myths about how black people

0:31:02.800 --> 0:31:06.160
<v Speaker 2>couldn't do these things were wrong. And that kind of

0:31:06.200 --> 0:31:09.640
<v Speaker 2>thing opens up some people's eyes to Okay, well, what

0:31:09.720 --> 0:31:12.360
<v Speaker 2>else do I think about black people that are wrong?

0:31:12.720 --> 0:31:14.480
<v Speaker 2>And it's weird to think about because.

0:31:16.560 --> 0:31:16.840
<v Speaker 1>On a.

0:31:18.760 --> 0:31:21.960
<v Speaker 2>On a social level, that that's what it takes, that

0:31:23.520 --> 0:31:27.640
<v Speaker 2>people's minds can be changed like that. But historically speaking

0:31:27.640 --> 0:31:30.560
<v Speaker 2>in retrospect, like that's how it happens. Yeah, you know,

0:31:31.160 --> 0:31:33.640
<v Speaker 2>like one prejudice is tested and then all of a sudden,

0:31:33.680 --> 0:31:37.600
<v Speaker 2>other prejudices start falling slowly. Yeah, kind of kind of

0:31:37.640 --> 0:31:41.960
<v Speaker 2>falling over like dominoes, totally, very very slowly though.

0:31:42.640 --> 0:31:46.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Unfortunately, like dominoes, you can only picture falling fast.

0:31:46.040 --> 0:31:47.520
<v Speaker 1>I know, do that in slow mo.

0:31:47.680 --> 0:31:50.400
<v Speaker 2>It's almost a terrible analogy almost.

0:31:50.200 --> 0:31:54.560
<v Speaker 1>So it's crazy to think. But even though desegregation happened

0:31:55.240 --> 0:31:57.760
<v Speaker 1>long before this, it takes a while for that to

0:31:57.880 --> 0:32:00.680
<v Speaker 1>fully happen, right, And they were buffalo so nits in

0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:04.280
<v Speaker 1>the Korean War, all black units in the Korean War.

0:32:04.680 --> 0:32:07.200
<v Speaker 2>There was but it was nineteen forty eight I think

0:32:07.240 --> 0:32:10.440
<v Speaker 2>that Truman signed this act desegregating the military.

0:32:10.640 --> 0:32:12.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I think it was. It took three more years.

0:32:12.840 --> 0:32:17.200
<v Speaker 1>Nineteen fifty one was when the final final one was disbanded,

0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:18.000
<v Speaker 1>the twenty seventh.

0:32:18.120 --> 0:32:19.960
<v Speaker 2>Right. But that's why I was saying you could trace

0:32:20.000 --> 0:32:23.160
<v Speaker 2>a direct line of desegregation from the military, because that

0:32:23.240 --> 0:32:26.640
<v Speaker 2>was the first chance that Black America had to show

0:32:26.880 --> 0:32:28.760
<v Speaker 2>that it could be treated equally and that it could

0:32:28.800 --> 0:32:33.120
<v Speaker 2>act equally. And they showed that and it led to

0:32:33.160 --> 0:32:37.480
<v Speaker 2>desegregation in the military. And then three years after the

0:32:37.560 --> 0:32:43.160
<v Speaker 2>actual in practice desegregation of military regiments, there was the

0:32:43.160 --> 0:32:48.400
<v Speaker 2>Brown Versus Board of Education ruling, which not in practice

0:32:48.440 --> 0:32:53.400
<v Speaker 2>but in theory desegregated schools. So it went army schools,

0:32:53.760 --> 0:32:56.800
<v Speaker 2>and then eventually socially it just kept going. Yeah, but

0:32:56.880 --> 0:33:02.440
<v Speaker 2>it was because of the Buffalo soldiers in their service directly, undisputedly.

0:33:02.560 --> 0:33:04.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I mean it's crazy to think as late

0:33:04.440 --> 0:33:07.160
<v Speaker 1>as the Korean War, though some of those units were

0:33:07.200 --> 0:33:09.320
<v Speaker 1>still fighting. Yeah, it is because when I think of match,

0:33:10.120 --> 0:33:14.720
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't feel modern, but it doesn't feel like Buffalo

0:33:14.760 --> 0:33:16.160
<v Speaker 1>soldier territory.

0:33:16.440 --> 0:33:19.120
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, the Buffalo soldiers you think of like nineteenth

0:33:19.200 --> 0:33:21.840
<v Speaker 2>century American westeen fifties Korea.

0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:24.280
<v Speaker 1>No, you don't think of Hawkeye and his gin. Still.

0:33:25.880 --> 0:33:27.920
<v Speaker 1>I guess there was one black character on mash with

0:33:28.000 --> 0:33:31.200
<v Speaker 1>a very unfortunate name, but we won't talk about that.

0:33:31.600 --> 0:33:33.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm not familiar. No good, I don't remember.

0:33:34.000 --> 0:33:35.720
<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, I think we should take a break

0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:38.720
<v Speaker 1>and come back and talk about what is to me

0:33:39.960 --> 0:33:42.560
<v Speaker 1>one of the cooler aspects of this whole story.

0:33:42.400 --> 0:33:43.480
<v Speaker 2>The Bob Marley song.

0:33:44.200 --> 0:34:06.840
<v Speaker 1>No, We'll be right back, all right, We're back, and

0:34:06.880 --> 0:34:08.719
<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk about what I think is one

0:34:08.760 --> 0:34:12.960
<v Speaker 1>of the coolest little parts here of this whole story,

0:34:13.040 --> 0:34:16.520
<v Speaker 1>which I never knew. If you've ever been to Sequoia

0:34:16.640 --> 0:34:20.360
<v Speaker 1>National Park or Yosemite National Park or some other national

0:34:20.400 --> 0:34:23.480
<v Speaker 1>parks out west and you're hiking a trail or driving

0:34:23.520 --> 0:34:27.160
<v Speaker 1>down a road, you might have the Buffalo Soldiers to

0:34:27.200 --> 0:34:31.200
<v Speaker 1>thank for that trail in those roads. Yeah, and it's

0:34:31.200 --> 0:34:35.200
<v Speaker 1>one of their highlight achievements to me is once we

0:34:35.320 --> 0:34:40.239
<v Speaker 1>establish the national parks, Teddy Roosevelt again, build statues of him. Right,

0:34:41.719 --> 0:34:43.520
<v Speaker 1>you had to enforce this stuff because this was the

0:34:43.520 --> 0:34:45.040
<v Speaker 1>first time we were like, wait a minute, this is

0:34:45.520 --> 0:34:48.080
<v Speaker 1>protected land. Can't just come in here and take the

0:34:48.120 --> 0:34:51.719
<v Speaker 1>timber or hunt, you know, the animals, Like, there are

0:34:51.800 --> 0:34:52.359
<v Speaker 1>rules now.

0:34:52.560 --> 0:34:55.040
<v Speaker 2>You set up like you set aside grazing land, you

0:34:55.080 --> 0:34:59.360
<v Speaker 2>set aside national parks. Libertarians they take issue with that

0:34:59.440 --> 0:35:02.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of thing, and you need to have Buffalo soldiers

0:35:02.480 --> 0:35:03.239
<v Speaker 2>to fight them off.

0:35:03.320 --> 0:35:06.120
<v Speaker 1>That's right. So from eighteen ninety one to nineteen thirteen,

0:35:06.320 --> 0:35:10.319
<v Speaker 1>about twenty five years or so, these some of these

0:35:10.360 --> 0:35:13.759
<v Speaker 1>black regiments were essentially the first park rangers. Yeah, they

0:35:13.760 --> 0:35:16.759
<v Speaker 1>didn't have that name at the time, but they kept

0:35:16.760 --> 0:35:19.319
<v Speaker 1>the poachers at bay and stopped the illegal grazing and

0:35:19.360 --> 0:35:22.520
<v Speaker 1>the timber thieves. They fought wildfires.

0:35:23.120 --> 0:35:25.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I didn't get a chance to really look into this,

0:35:25.680 --> 0:35:29.360
<v Speaker 2>but I wonder what nineteen thirteen wildfire fighting was. Like,

0:35:29.880 --> 0:35:32.560
<v Speaker 2>I'll bet it was real dicey bucket brigade stuff, right,

0:35:32.920 --> 0:35:37.120
<v Speaker 2>Like twenty twenty firefighting is dicey wildfire fighting. But one

0:35:37.200 --> 0:35:38.799
<v Speaker 2>hundred years ago, man, I'll bet it was.

0:35:38.880 --> 0:35:42.040
<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine. Good Lord, But like I said, with

0:35:42.080 --> 0:35:44.560
<v Speaker 1>the trails and stuff, a lot of some of the

0:35:44.600 --> 0:35:47.640
<v Speaker 1>more significant trails and roads. Some of the buildings, yeah,

0:35:47.640 --> 0:35:50.560
<v Speaker 1>some of the older cabins, they were built and constructed

0:35:50.600 --> 0:35:52.839
<v Speaker 1>by Buffalo soldiers, which is just super cool.

0:35:53.000 --> 0:35:55.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So if you find a building in Yosemite or

0:35:55.600 --> 0:35:58.120
<v Speaker 2>Sequoia National Parks that's.

0:35:57.840 --> 0:36:00.040
<v Speaker 1>From eighteen ninety one to nineteen thirteen, yes.

0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:02.440
<v Speaker 2>Then it was probably built by Buffalo soldiers or.

0:36:02.480 --> 0:36:03.120
<v Speaker 1>Hiking a trail.

0:36:03.280 --> 0:36:05.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is all just super cool. Yeah, it's pretty cool.

0:36:05.880 --> 0:36:10.000
<v Speaker 2>They also rode bicycles around the place too, which is

0:36:10.080 --> 0:36:10.600
<v Speaker 2>kind of neat.

0:36:10.880 --> 0:36:11.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:36:11.280 --> 0:36:15.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so Chuck the last Buffalo soldier, and I mean,

0:36:16.000 --> 0:36:21.080
<v Speaker 2>like original Buffalo soldier Mark Matthews. He died on September six,

0:36:21.200 --> 0:36:25.160
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and five. He was interred at Arlington National Cemetery.

0:36:25.400 --> 0:36:28.239
<v Speaker 2>He was one hundred and eleven years old, and he

0:36:28.320 --> 0:36:33.680
<v Speaker 2>actually fought under General Pershing in the tenth Cavalry on

0:36:33.800 --> 0:36:35.239
<v Speaker 2>the hunt for Pancho Villa.

0:36:36.160 --> 0:36:39.040
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, I think I don't know if we

0:36:39.080 --> 0:36:41.600
<v Speaker 1>mentioned that. How many medals of honor were there? Twenty three?

0:36:41.800 --> 0:36:45.360
<v Speaker 2>I saw twenty three. The National Museum of African American

0:36:45.440 --> 0:36:48.160
<v Speaker 2>History says eighteen. I'm gonna go with them, all right,

0:36:49.360 --> 0:36:51.600
<v Speaker 2>somewhere between eighteen and twenty three, let's say that.

0:36:52.040 --> 0:36:54.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So you know, the I guess the moral of

0:36:54.680 --> 0:36:58.640
<v Speaker 1>the story is that they did provide this direct line

0:36:58.640 --> 0:37:01.359
<v Speaker 1>to desegregation, not only through the army, but, like you're saying,

0:37:01.360 --> 0:37:04.439
<v Speaker 1>all through America. But sadly, a lot of them did

0:37:04.520 --> 0:37:08.600
<v Speaker 1>exit the military. Some of them did have a little

0:37:09.560 --> 0:37:12.120
<v Speaker 1>higher status and a leg to stand on, many of

0:37:12.160 --> 0:37:15.000
<v Speaker 1>them didn't. There was a study of lynchings in the

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<v Speaker 1>US that found that black military veterans were targeted and

0:37:19.280 --> 0:37:23.680
<v Speaker 1>lynched more than non veteran black people, with the idea

0:37:24.400 --> 0:37:28.080
<v Speaker 1>that it was a real threat in the racist white

0:37:28.120 --> 0:37:31.319
<v Speaker 1>South for a black man to leave the army with

0:37:31.360 --> 0:37:34.520
<v Speaker 1>some rank and some status and feeling good guns, feeling

0:37:34.520 --> 0:37:35.240
<v Speaker 1>good about himselves.

0:37:35.239 --> 0:37:38.160
<v Speaker 2>Don't forget the Tulsa massacre episode. It was the World

0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:40.680
<v Speaker 2>War One bets who are like, uh no, we're gonna

0:37:40.719 --> 0:37:44.080
<v Speaker 2>go defend this boy from being lynched, right with guns.

0:37:44.080 --> 0:37:48.320
<v Speaker 2>They showed up with guns. I think there. I remember

0:37:48.320 --> 0:37:52.840
<v Speaker 2>in The Black Panther episode two, they traced a direct

0:37:52.880 --> 0:37:56.920
<v Speaker 2>line of this, this sense of like you need to

0:37:56.920 --> 0:38:00.799
<v Speaker 2>defend yourself and protect yourself with firearms. They traced that

0:38:00.920 --> 0:38:04.080
<v Speaker 2>directly to World War One veteran. Oh yeah, yeah, so

0:38:04.560 --> 0:38:08.880
<v Speaker 2>there is a terrible logic to that, I guess.

0:38:09.120 --> 0:38:13.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. There was also a terrible senator and

0:38:13.400 --> 0:38:19.040
<v Speaker 1>governor of Mississippi named James Vardeman who was just straight

0:38:19.120 --> 0:38:22.319
<v Speaker 1>up white supremacist. Like, no matter how you slice it.

0:38:22.520 --> 0:38:26.320
<v Speaker 2>You could have just said senator from Mississippi in nineteen seventeen. Ah.

0:38:26.360 --> 0:38:30.120
<v Speaker 1>Sure, he spoke to the US Senate and he really

0:38:30.160 --> 0:38:33.960
<v Speaker 1>kind of crystallizes how they felt about black veterans in

0:38:34.040 --> 0:38:36.719
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventeen on the Senate floor, he said, once you

0:38:36.800 --> 0:38:39.840
<v Speaker 1>impress the Negro with the fact that he is defending

0:38:39.880 --> 0:38:45.040
<v Speaker 1>the flag and inflate his untortured soul with military airs,

0:38:45.440 --> 0:38:49.480
<v Speaker 1>his political rights must be respected, and he wasn't saying

0:38:49.520 --> 0:38:50.560
<v Speaker 1>like and that's.

0:38:50.320 --> 0:38:52.120
<v Speaker 2>Great, Yeah, so let's respect that.

0:38:52.280 --> 0:38:54.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this was a warning basically.

0:38:54.160 --> 0:39:02.799
<v Speaker 2>Right, and he was over looked. They didn't listen to him. No, ultimately,

0:39:03.640 --> 0:39:08.279
<v Speaker 2>because they did continue having black soldiers as soldiers and

0:39:08.360 --> 0:39:12.080
<v Speaker 2>eventually desegregated, which led to desegregation in America, which is

0:39:12.080 --> 0:39:12.600
<v Speaker 2>pretty great.

0:39:12.719 --> 0:39:15.320
<v Speaker 1>That's right. I would love to hear from some current

0:39:15.480 --> 0:39:19.640
<v Speaker 1>African American military personnel because I want to know what

0:39:19.680 --> 0:39:24.920
<v Speaker 1>the current sort of temperature is as an active service person.

0:39:26.239 --> 0:39:30.520
<v Speaker 2>Oh, what the racism's like in the military. Yeah, sure, I'm.

0:39:30.400 --> 0:39:33.440
<v Speaker 1>Sure you know that there'll be different versions of that

0:39:33.560 --> 0:39:37.520
<v Speaker 1>story depending on who you're in contact with and what

0:39:37.560 --> 0:39:40.440
<v Speaker 1>your particular like platoon is like.

0:39:40.680 --> 0:39:43.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I wonder though, because the military is like some

0:39:43.440 --> 0:39:49.120
<v Speaker 2>kind of weird similacrum of American society it is, I

0:39:49.160 --> 0:39:52.640
<v Speaker 2>wonder if it's more racist or less racist. I think

0:39:52.640 --> 0:39:54.000
<v Speaker 2>there's a chance you could go either way.

0:39:54.080 --> 0:39:56.919
<v Speaker 1>I mean, my guess is less, you know, like I said,

0:39:56.960 --> 0:39:59.719
<v Speaker 1>my brother in law before, and as a marine and

0:40:00.320 --> 0:40:04.000
<v Speaker 1>pretty high up you could say, and every time I've

0:40:04.000 --> 0:40:05.920
<v Speaker 1>been on these marine bases a lot, and it all

0:40:05.960 --> 0:40:10.320
<v Speaker 1>seems like they're all sort of you know, got that thinking,

0:40:10.480 --> 0:40:13.560
<v Speaker 1>that group think going on, like we're just marines, like

0:40:14.160 --> 0:40:16.080
<v Speaker 1>none of us are a color, we're green.

0:40:16.840 --> 0:40:19.680
<v Speaker 2>Well, i've seen full metal Jacket, right, and there are

0:40:19.719 --> 0:40:21.279
<v Speaker 2>a lot of racist stuff in there.

0:40:21.440 --> 0:40:22.880
<v Speaker 1>No, I'm sure.

0:40:23.000 --> 0:40:26.080
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, could go either way, It could go either way.

0:40:26.120 --> 0:40:28.520
<v Speaker 2>I would like to hear that as well. I'd also

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<v Speaker 2>like to hear from any Native American listeners to know

0:40:31.320 --> 0:40:35.239
<v Speaker 2>what they were taught about Buffalo soldiers too, what was

0:40:35.239 --> 0:40:39.000
<v Speaker 2>pressed down within the different tribes. Yeah, because they contacted

0:40:39.040 --> 0:40:42.520
<v Speaker 2>all sorts of different tribes, from the Lakota Sioux up

0:40:42.560 --> 0:40:45.720
<v Speaker 2>in the north down to the Apaches in New Mexico

0:40:45.760 --> 0:40:46.400
<v Speaker 2>and Mexico.

0:40:46.560 --> 0:40:51.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, beaches everyone. Yeah, we'll read them on listener now.

0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:54.399
<v Speaker 2>If you want to know more about Buffalo soldiers, there's

0:40:54.440 --> 0:40:57.319
<v Speaker 2>a lot of really great stuff to read. And you

0:40:57.360 --> 0:40:59.960
<v Speaker 2>can't really go wrong with a guy named Frank Schubert,

0:41:00.360 --> 0:41:04.000
<v Speaker 2>who is a scholar of them of Buffalo soldiers, and

0:41:04.040 --> 0:41:05.719
<v Speaker 2>he's got a lot of articles on the web and

0:41:05.719 --> 0:41:09.240
<v Speaker 2>I believe some books too. And since I said Frank Schubert,

0:41:09.400 --> 0:41:11.040
<v Speaker 2>it's time for listener mail.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, it's not. Oh that's right, you know, what

0:41:14.080 --> 0:41:17.520
<v Speaker 1>it's time for Hit him Chuck. It is time for

0:41:17.600 --> 0:41:26.960
<v Speaker 1>administrative details. So we haven't done this in a little while.

0:41:27.000 --> 0:41:29.279
<v Speaker 1>If you're new to the show, administrative details is where

0:41:29.880 --> 0:41:31.239
<v Speaker 1>we take a couple of minutes. We're going to do

0:41:31.320 --> 0:41:33.120
<v Speaker 1>this on this episode. In the next you got that

0:41:33.239 --> 0:41:36.399
<v Speaker 1>straight to read out some thank yous, Tell him Chuck

0:41:36.480 --> 0:41:38.560
<v Speaker 1>for some of the kindnesses that people throw our way,

0:41:39.080 --> 0:41:45.160
<v Speaker 1>whether they be physical totems like what T shirts and

0:41:45.200 --> 0:41:50.760
<v Speaker 1>buttons and two confectioneries like cookies and pastries and Jesus,

0:41:50.960 --> 0:41:53.600
<v Speaker 1>I like that. What I did not do on this one,

0:41:53.640 --> 0:41:56.520
<v Speaker 1>and I feel bad because you probably did, is write

0:41:56.600 --> 0:41:59.239
<v Speaker 1>down all the names of all the postcards and letters.

0:41:59.480 --> 0:42:02.640
<v Speaker 2>I wrote down the ones that I yeah, I think

0:42:02.680 --> 0:42:05.480
<v Speaker 2>I've got basically everybody, and we should say we almost

0:42:05.680 --> 0:42:09.160
<v Speaker 2>always miss somebody, yeah or a few. So if we

0:42:09.280 --> 0:42:11.720
<v Speaker 2>don't say your name and you have not been thanked

0:42:11.719 --> 0:42:15.040
<v Speaker 2>on a previous administrative detail, please get in touch with

0:42:15.120 --> 0:42:16.360
<v Speaker 2>us so we can correct that.

0:42:16.360 --> 0:42:18.200
<v Speaker 1>That's right, And if you have a letter or a

0:42:18.200 --> 0:42:21.360
<v Speaker 1>postcard that is on my desk, I'll include those in

0:42:21.400 --> 0:42:22.719
<v Speaker 1>the next batch because now I feel bad.

0:42:22.840 --> 0:42:23.200
<v Speaker 2>Bam.

0:42:23.280 --> 0:42:24.399
<v Speaker 1>All right, let's go through these.

0:42:24.880 --> 0:42:27.080
<v Speaker 2>Oh and There's also some people who I don't have

0:42:27.200 --> 0:42:29.040
<v Speaker 2>names for, but we do have the items, so you

0:42:29.080 --> 0:42:30.719
<v Speaker 2>can also write in and be like that was me.

0:42:31.160 --> 0:42:31.600
<v Speaker 1>That's right.

0:42:31.640 --> 0:42:34.920
<v Speaker 2>For example, the very nice person who gave us almond

0:42:35.000 --> 0:42:39.239
<v Speaker 2>cookies and whiskey cake at our Orlando show, our live

0:42:39.239 --> 0:42:42.319
<v Speaker 2>show in Orlando. Don't remember or don't have the name

0:42:42.320 --> 0:42:45.400
<v Speaker 2>of who gave us that, but thank you for him.

0:42:45.760 --> 0:42:50.600
<v Speaker 1>Katie from Davis, California. Send us some cool little notebooks.

0:42:51.680 --> 0:42:56.080
<v Speaker 1>They were little notebooks like schemes. Was like the title

0:42:56.120 --> 0:42:57.399
<v Speaker 1>of one of them, oh right, where you can write

0:42:57.440 --> 0:43:00.120
<v Speaker 1>down schemes, band names, just sort of fun names the

0:43:00.160 --> 0:43:01.040
<v Speaker 1>covers of these notebooks.

0:43:01.120 --> 0:43:04.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thanks a lot, huge, huge thanks as always to

0:43:04.280 --> 0:43:07.680
<v Speaker 2>our good friends Hillary and Mike lows Are and they're

0:43:07.960 --> 0:43:11.680
<v Speaker 2>good friends. The people at Flathead Like Cheese for all

0:43:11.800 --> 0:43:15.279
<v Speaker 2>the cheese, that's right. Flat Heeadlake Cheese is far and

0:43:15.280 --> 0:43:16.760
<v Speaker 2>away my favorite cheese in the world.

0:43:16.800 --> 0:43:17.520
<v Speaker 1>It's good cheese.

0:43:17.520 --> 0:43:20.280
<v Speaker 2>They make very good cheese. You guys cannot go wrong.

0:43:20.400 --> 0:43:22.600
<v Speaker 2>Just go get some Flathead Like cheese and you'll love it.

0:43:22.719 --> 0:43:24.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. A lot of the I don't know if they

0:43:24.080 --> 0:43:26.520
<v Speaker 1>specialize in Gouda, but we seem to be on the

0:43:26.560 --> 0:43:28.080
<v Speaker 1>Goudha mailing list.

0:43:28.160 --> 0:43:30.880
<v Speaker 2>They make a hopped Gouda that is my favorite. Have

0:43:30.960 --> 0:43:31.319
<v Speaker 2>you had it?

0:43:31.360 --> 0:43:32.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, Oh my gosh, it's you.

0:43:33.520 --> 0:43:36.480
<v Speaker 2>It has hops in It's like it's a beer but

0:43:36.600 --> 0:43:37.240
<v Speaker 2>it's cheese.

0:43:38.239 --> 0:43:40.759
<v Speaker 1>And while we're on the lows AARs, Hillary and Mike

0:43:40.840 --> 0:43:44.239
<v Speaker 1>and Coop. I just got this today. They sent us

0:43:44.800 --> 0:43:49.200
<v Speaker 1>aprons yea word butcher. Yeah, aprons.

0:43:49.280 --> 0:43:50.360
<v Speaker 2>That is so appropriate.

0:43:50.360 --> 0:43:52.360
<v Speaker 1>So it's a knife going into the lettering of a

0:43:52.440 --> 0:43:55.400
<v Speaker 1>word butcher. Because I don't know if you guys know this,

0:43:55.480 --> 0:43:59.200
<v Speaker 1>but we are well known to mispronounce everything.

0:43:59.400 --> 0:44:03.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but your words, and you're gonna do that. So

0:44:04.440 --> 0:44:08.759
<v Speaker 2>Smotty from France send us a T card with some

0:44:09.000 --> 0:44:11.600
<v Speaker 2>lay two Marmott's t attached.

0:44:11.719 --> 0:44:12.440
<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Smarty.

0:44:12.760 --> 0:44:12.960
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

0:44:13.840 --> 0:44:17.399
<v Speaker 1>Jess Fowl sent us his game that he designed, Philosophy

0:44:17.440 --> 0:44:20.799
<v Speaker 1>the Game or better yet, Drunk Philosophy.

0:44:21.600 --> 0:44:22.000
<v Speaker 2>Nice.

0:44:22.080 --> 0:44:22.759
<v Speaker 1>That's a great name.

0:44:23.400 --> 0:44:27.000
<v Speaker 2>Katie Barnes from the Barnes Made Soap Company for the

0:44:27.040 --> 0:44:29.360
<v Speaker 2>Wonderful Soap. All of them are really good, but I

0:44:29.400 --> 0:44:33.640
<v Speaker 2>strongly recommend the Autumn fig and the Mariner Brian Bar

0:44:34.400 --> 0:44:37.280
<v Speaker 2>good stuff. Oh you can head over to Barnes Made

0:44:37.480 --> 0:44:39.960
<v Speaker 2>b A. R. N. E. S. M A d E

0:44:40.160 --> 0:44:42.680
<v Speaker 2>dot com for some of Katie soaps.

0:44:43.040 --> 0:44:48.399
<v Speaker 1>Becky in France send us planetary coasters that she made

0:44:48.440 --> 0:44:52.560
<v Speaker 1>in her studio is uh SEFID studio dot com. That

0:44:52.640 --> 0:44:55.959
<v Speaker 1>is C E P h E I D studio dot com.

0:44:56.000 --> 0:45:00.120
<v Speaker 1>If you want some planetary coasters. They are pretty spacey

0:45:00.120 --> 0:45:00.680
<v Speaker 1>and awesome.

0:45:01.560 --> 0:45:05.759
<v Speaker 2>Kevin Reuter gave us Basil Hayden and bullet rye you

0:45:05.800 --> 0:45:08.360
<v Speaker 2>remember that at our show at the Bellhouse. Yes, and

0:45:08.440 --> 0:45:11.560
<v Speaker 2>even wrapped them up as Christmas presents. That's right, which

0:45:11.640 --> 0:45:14.600
<v Speaker 2>is just lovely. Thanks a lot, Kevin, And funny enough.

0:45:14.640 --> 0:45:18.399
<v Speaker 2>At the show, somebody asked us, like, our like drink

0:45:18.480 --> 0:45:20.520
<v Speaker 2>we would want to have on a desert island. We

0:45:20.560 --> 0:45:22.839
<v Speaker 2>could only have one, and both of us were saying

0:45:22.920 --> 0:45:25.680
<v Speaker 2>gin drinks and he was like, well, I guess I

0:45:25.719 --> 0:45:28.600
<v Speaker 2>guessed wrong with the Basil Hayden bullet. I was like, no, dude,

0:45:28.719 --> 0:45:29.640
<v Speaker 2>you nailed it.

0:45:29.640 --> 0:45:33.000
<v Speaker 1>We're all inclusive, our buddy Van Nostra, and I feel

0:45:33.000 --> 0:45:34.640
<v Speaker 1>like he sent us more than this, So if you

0:45:34.680 --> 0:45:37.279
<v Speaker 1>have something else, let us know. We just hung out

0:45:37.320 --> 0:45:40.880
<v Speaker 1>with him and his wonderful wife Leah. Yes, in Seattle.

0:45:40.960 --> 0:45:43.920
<v Speaker 1>They sent us. He sent us some records, some Awesome Records,

0:45:43.960 --> 0:45:48.839
<v Speaker 1>Smurf's Disco Duck Lawrence, Welcome John Denver, the John Denver

0:45:48.920 --> 0:45:50.320
<v Speaker 1>Muppets Christmas.

0:45:50.040 --> 0:45:54.240
<v Speaker 2>And you know what. Van Nostron gave us books before,

0:45:54.360 --> 0:45:57.120
<v Speaker 2>and one of them was about Oh, I can't say

0:45:57.239 --> 0:45:59.360
<v Speaker 2>yeah because that really because the live show.

0:45:59.200 --> 0:45:59.600
<v Speaker 1>Is not out.

0:45:59.719 --> 0:46:02.120
<v Speaker 2>But he gave us a book about the live show

0:46:02.560 --> 0:46:04.800
<v Speaker 2>years ago and I never got around to reading it.

0:46:05.480 --> 0:46:07.600
<v Speaker 2>They reminded me after the show. They're like, you know

0:46:07.760 --> 0:46:10.640
<v Speaker 2>that we sent you that book, you dummy. I said,

0:46:10.640 --> 0:46:11.479
<v Speaker 2>I'll have to read it.

0:46:11.400 --> 0:46:14.560
<v Speaker 1>Now, will and Katie Lynn Lee send his coffee from

0:46:14.680 --> 0:46:18.000
<v Speaker 1>Coffee by Design, So niceish.

0:46:18.120 --> 0:46:23.239
<v Speaker 2>Let's see. Nicole Collins do O, doctor of Osteopathy, sent

0:46:23.360 --> 0:46:25.840
<v Speaker 2>us a copy of her book Insight, which is on

0:46:26.040 --> 0:46:30.400
<v Speaker 2>vision like real vision and the miracle that is vision.

0:46:30.480 --> 0:46:31.239
<v Speaker 2>So check it out.

0:46:31.960 --> 0:46:34.520
<v Speaker 1>Insights, a Doctor of Metal.

0:46:34.920 --> 0:46:40.840
<v Speaker 2>I was delivered by a doo and one of the

0:46:40.880 --> 0:46:44.480
<v Speaker 2>things they do is they adjust you like you're a baby,

0:46:44.560 --> 0:46:47.080
<v Speaker 2>and they adjust you like a chiropractor when you're born.

0:46:47.440 --> 0:46:50.520
<v Speaker 2>I was born breach, so the doo adjusted me in

0:46:50.560 --> 0:46:54.000
<v Speaker 2>reverse order, and apparently everyone in delivery room gave him.

0:46:53.880 --> 0:46:56.239
<v Speaker 1>A golf clap afterward, and you waved your hand and

0:46:56.239 --> 0:46:57.080
<v Speaker 1>said thank you everyone.

0:46:57.160 --> 0:47:00.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thank you. I have a taste for this applause.

0:46:59.640 --> 0:47:07.400
<v Speaker 1>Thing gurgled part. Indigo Proof from Portland sent me a

0:47:07.440 --> 0:47:10.360
<v Speaker 1>gift certificate for one free denim repair. Nice cause I

0:47:10.360 --> 0:47:13.839
<v Speaker 1>complained about my Levi's blowing out, so they said, send

0:47:13.840 --> 0:47:16.200
<v Speaker 1>me those jeens and we'll fix them for you. It's

0:47:16.320 --> 0:47:20.640
<v Speaker 1>indigo proof in where else do they fix jeans Portland, Oregon?

0:47:21.719 --> 0:47:24.879
<v Speaker 2>That is a gene fix in town. Sure, I got

0:47:25.239 --> 0:47:29.120
<v Speaker 2>a super old one from not this past October, but

0:47:29.200 --> 0:47:33.000
<v Speaker 2>the October before last. Chuck, Wow, do you remember Kathy

0:47:33.120 --> 0:47:36.120
<v Speaker 2>with a K tosh and I believe our Phoenix show

0:47:36.480 --> 0:47:38.040
<v Speaker 2>or our Salt Lake City show, one of.

0:47:38.000 --> 0:47:39.080
<v Speaker 1>The two are you talking about?

0:47:39.160 --> 0:47:44.399
<v Speaker 2>Gave us lassos, real live lassos and rope and she said,

0:47:44.440 --> 0:47:46.960
<v Speaker 2>go on to YouTube and learn how to lasso. Now, yeah,

0:47:47.000 --> 0:47:48.640
<v Speaker 2>and I've yet to do that, but I still have

0:47:48.719 --> 0:47:51.000
<v Speaker 2>my lasso. So thanks a lot Kathy to appreciate.

0:47:51.200 --> 0:47:53.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's not only cool too, because I will try

0:47:53.239 --> 0:47:55.399
<v Speaker 1>and learn that one day. But it looks cool hanging

0:47:55.440 --> 0:47:56.040
<v Speaker 1>on a wall.

0:47:55.960 --> 0:47:58.239
<v Speaker 2>For sure, you know. And also I think Kathy is

0:47:58.280 --> 0:48:02.400
<v Speaker 2>a postal worker, so hopefully you dug our going postal

0:48:02.440 --> 0:48:04.359
<v Speaker 2>episode I haven't heard from her.

0:48:04.640 --> 0:48:05.120
<v Speaker 1>That's right.

0:48:05.200 --> 0:48:06.640
<v Speaker 2>Email is Kathy and let us know how.

0:48:06.640 --> 0:48:08.840
<v Speaker 1>We did have a correction to read. But I'll just

0:48:08.840 --> 0:48:10.200
<v Speaker 1>wait for a listener mail for that one.

0:48:10.239 --> 0:48:11.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, that.

0:48:11.239 --> 0:48:13.200
<v Speaker 1>Was that was me? That was my bad?

0:48:13.360 --> 0:48:13.960
<v Speaker 2>Was it just you?

0:48:14.239 --> 0:48:14.719
<v Speaker 1>I think so?

0:48:14.800 --> 0:48:16.680
<v Speaker 2>Somebody else made it seem like it was me too?

0:48:18.200 --> 0:48:19.640
<v Speaker 1>How many more should we do for this one?

0:48:20.000 --> 0:48:21.239
<v Speaker 2>Let's teach do three more?

0:48:21.320 --> 0:48:25.479
<v Speaker 1>Okay? Anna Parker she is a painter, a muralist who

0:48:25.760 --> 0:48:29.600
<v Speaker 1>did this lovely painting of my three dogs, two of

0:48:29.640 --> 0:48:33.440
<v Speaker 1>which are now dearly departed. But it's very very sweet

0:48:33.800 --> 0:48:37.439
<v Speaker 1>and speaking of which, you can find those her work

0:48:37.520 --> 0:48:40.800
<v Speaker 1>at Sweet Tea Murals dot com.

0:48:40.920 --> 0:48:46.040
<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, very nice. Let's see Lance Roper, who's my

0:48:46.160 --> 0:48:50.480
<v Speaker 2>boy from Toledo, who is from Actual Coffee in Toledo.

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<v Speaker 2>Send me some really good coffee. So check out Actual Coffee.

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<v Speaker 1>Actual Coffee. Yes, Betty Everlys and us Voodoo Dolls of Us.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I want to know who that?

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<v Speaker 1>Those are so cool? Yeah, they're like really cute and

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<v Speaker 1>they're laden with little Easter eggs like I'm holding all

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of crazy things that all relate to shows.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm holding a magic mushroom.

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<v Speaker 1>Really Yeah, well that's from my show. But they had

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<v Speaker 1>no pins, we should point out, so they weren't voodoo

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<v Speaker 1>dolls that were out to harm us. Her son Josh

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<v Speaker 1>introduced her to the show and her husband.

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<v Speaker 2>Way to go job.

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<v Speaker 1>So thanks Betty.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, momo's riding my foot online too. Oh really, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's very cute. Let's see the wooden egg and special

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<v Speaker 2>egg coasters SYSK egg coasters from the very kind people

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<v Speaker 2>at good egg World.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, all right. I got one more for this,

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<v Speaker 1>a dish Adam Peterson. This was a really cool gift.

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<v Speaker 1>He sent us two bottles of Coca Cola from the

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<v Speaker 1>very last run of returnable bottles that Coca Cola ever did.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow.

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<v Speaker 1>There were small family run bottler in Winona, Minnesota, and

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<v Speaker 1>he said his in laws had run it since nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirty two. So these were the last run of returnables

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<v Speaker 1>that came off the line. And they're even stamped with

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<v Speaker 1>their little family bottler name and everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's really very cool. All right. Last one, this

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<v Speaker 2>one came from the Toronto Show. A guy named Phil

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<v Speaker 2>Bowen gave us each a prostheticie.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, that's one of the best ever.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the best gifts either one of us has

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<v Speaker 2>ever gotten so cool. So thanks a lot for our

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<v Speaker 2>prosthetic eyes, Phil. We still have them. I think there's

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<v Speaker 2>a picture of us wearing them too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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