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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, happy, Saturday's Chuck here with a Saturday Select

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Speaker 1: Select shun. Yeah, that works. This week, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: go with who Were the Buffalo Soldiers? This from January

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty, and I love my history episodes that we do,

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Speaker 1: and this is one that I really enjoyed doing because

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Speaker 1: we dug in didn't know anything about this topic, and

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Speaker 1: those are always my favorite when I go and kind

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Speaker 1: of blind and learn a lot. So check it out

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Speaker 1: Who Were the Buffalo Soldiers? Welcome to Stuff You Should Know,

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Speaker 1: a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's

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Speaker 2: Charles w Action, Jackson Bryant, right, sure, and then there's

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Speaker 2: Jerry over there, the flash that makes this stuff you

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Speaker 2: should know.

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Speaker 1: That's right. If there's a one thing people say to

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Speaker 1: me is how much I'm like Carl Weathers. Sure, and

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Speaker 1: how speedy Jerry is.

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Speaker 2: Why do I want to say that Carl Weathers had

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Speaker 2: one arm in Action Jackson?

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Speaker 1: I don't think that was a case.

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Speaker 2: Has he ever had one arm in any of his Oh?

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Speaker 2: I think his arm gets pulled off in Predator? Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm conflating the two.

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Speaker 1: It sounds about right, I saw Predator, but just once,

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Speaker 1: like you know, when it came out.

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Speaker 2: I saw it within the last twelve months. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think it's even better now as it grown up.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, Okay, I can really feel the tension

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Speaker 2: like you're in the jungle there with everybody. It's amazing.

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Speaker 1: Have you been singing the Buffalo Soldier song like constantly

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Speaker 1: in your head.

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Speaker 2: Despite my best efforts, I can't stop.

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Speaker 1: Well, I looked up the lyrics because I was just

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Speaker 1: you know, I know some of them, but I wanted

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Speaker 1: to kind of see where exactly he was probably talking

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Speaker 1: about the soldiers. Yeah, and there were some kind of

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Speaker 1: on the those references. Sure you mentioned san Juan, mentioned

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Speaker 1: San Juan.

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Speaker 2: What else?

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Speaker 1: You know? Fighting for America, fighting on arrival, fighting for survival.

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Speaker 2: Sure.

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Speaker 1: I always got it wrong though. I thought he said

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Speaker 1: dreadlock rock Star.

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Speaker 2: No, he says dreadlock Rosta.

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Speaker 1: I know I've learned that today.

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Speaker 2: I did Lock rock Star.

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Speaker 1: I've been seeing well. I thought he was talking about himself.

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Speaker 2: That's hilarious.

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Speaker 1: I was singing it wrong. I mean he was singing

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Speaker 2: No, he's singing about the Buffalo Soldiers.

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Speaker 1: They weren't rostas I.

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Speaker 2: Guess some of them could have been. Maybe we'll find out.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, I've been singing for forty years. Dreadlock rock star.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty great, like a dumb dumb.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's all right, it's pretty close, man, And it

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Speaker 2: still makes sense. The ones that don't make sense are

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Speaker 2: the hilarious ones.

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Speaker 1: That just seems like a very like, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one white college kid thing to sing.

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Speaker 2: Dread like rock star, Yeah, dread lock frock. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: When you first start listening to Bob Marley.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh, okay, you're ready, I'm ready. So we're talking

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Speaker 2: Buffalo Soldiers, and it is not just about Marley song.

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Speaker 2: It's if anything, the Bob Marley song is kind of

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Speaker 2: like a historic history lesson, which is kind of interesting

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Speaker 2: a bit. But the Buffalo Soldiers was the name of

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Speaker 2: That's right, from right after the Civil War all the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but when did you say that happened?

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Speaker 2: I think nineteen fifty one.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but they did not take on that name till

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Speaker 2: Right, and at first it wasn't a name that they

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Speaker 1: Right, because they were trying to earn a place in

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Speaker 2: And white America was like, we want you to do

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Speaker 1: And we'll still probably not grant you that respect.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which is kind of par for the course from

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Speaker 1: Pretty cool name.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is. They ended up basically winning the

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Speaker 2: and they had been mustered a lot of them from

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Speaker 2: that's not a surprise. Yeah, but imagine that. And that

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Speaker 2: That was pretty much par for the course. While they

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Speaker 2: then no, after the fact, that's just it's not going

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And you know, like we said, the Buffalo soldiers

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Speaker 1: So the Grabster put this a lot of this together

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Speaker 2: They needed white federal troops.

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Speaker 1: No, it would not have been oh my god. So

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Speaker 2: Or to remove Native Americans forcibly from their ancestral lands.

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Speaker 2: So on July twenty eight, eighteen sixty six, Congress did

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and partially because they just needed people, and partially

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Speaker 2: So for the first time, the federal government didn't renege

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Speaker 2: And the fact that they survived this downsizing of the

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Speaker 2: And William T. Cumps to Sherman was no great friend

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And it's interesting because it was peacetime, you know,

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Speaker 1: so they could really be picky and get these really

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Speaker 2: Right exactly. And in the army too, there's a lot

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Speaker 2: And like Sasha fierce.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what that is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, who else has done that?

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Speaker 1: Some of them Ziggy Stardus certainly worked. Captain Fantastic worked fine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Ed points out, and I think it's fair.

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Speaker 2: No, but you can understand how that would how people

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Speaker 1: It's not a good story.

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Speaker 2: No, it's a terrible story.

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Speaker 2: And then at the same time, there's a real silver

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Speaker 2: So people want like a nice story book ending for sure,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. So should we talk a little

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and usually under the command of white officers. It

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it would have been like being stationed in Alaska

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and had a lot of great things to say

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Speaker 2: For sure, some of them definitely did not rise to

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Speaker 2: What did he lie about?

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Speaker 2: Second lieutenant Flipper went to his grave saying that he

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Speaker 1: So there are another couple of cases, John Hanks, Alexander

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that happened. I mean it probably still

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Speaker 2: National Guard?

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Speaker 1: No, cub Scouts, Yes, it was cub Scouts, Citadel famous

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Speaker 2: No, but it's a myth that they were.

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Speaker 1: You didn't hear it from me, but right exactly.

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Speaker 2: But and this is you know, the army that these

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Speaker 1: was known as the Indian Wars, including some of the

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Speaker 1: some of the big ones.

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Speaker 2: I think we need to do a big old episode

442
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 2: on the Indian Wars.

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00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do it. Wounded Knee, the White River War.

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Speaker 1: I'd never heard of that one.

445
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,640
Speaker 2: I looked it up. The war is not a term

446
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,919
Speaker 2: for most of these. It should be a massacred. No,

447
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 2: it should be straight up massacres.

448
00:23:59,200 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

449
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 2: Well, here's the other thing too, this is really easy

450
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 2: for guys like us to do, especially in retrospect, is

451
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 2: what's called like mythologizing the noble savage, right where where

452
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,120
Speaker 2: we kind of make it seem like the Indians were

453
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Speaker 2: just the people who, you know, kind of meekly accepted

454
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 2: their fate and were just rolled over by the US government.

455
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 2: Through this westward expansion. That's not the case. In almost

456
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Speaker 2: every case, the further west we got, the fearce of

457
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,880
Speaker 2: the fighting got. They pushed back. For sure. They engaged

458
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Speaker 2: in massacres that included killing women and children and non combatants.

459
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 2: Both sides did. So it's not like the Native Americans

460
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Speaker 2: were just innocent of bloodshed. But it's important to remember

461
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 2: that they were defending their lands from invaders. They were

462
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,880
Speaker 2: the insurgents in that so there's like a certain amount

463
00:24:54,920 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 2: of moral higher ground that they're afforded just for in

464
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 2: that position, right, you know, oh, for sure. But it's

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00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 2: just that's the thing. That's why I've always been fascinated

466
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:09,199
Speaker 2: about history. It is like it's never just you know,

467
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 2: black and white.

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00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's so much nuance. Yeah, that gets overlooked, especially

469
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Speaker 1: if you were raised in like, you know, public schools

470
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Speaker 1: in America.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, not a lot of nuance going on, right, and

472
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 2: white people swooped in and everything was great, exactly.

473
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Speaker 1: So by the eighteen nineties, the Indian Wars ended, the

474
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 1: reservations popped up, or they were just flat out massacred

475
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 1: like you said, or imprisoned. And this is when the

476
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 1: Buffalo soldiers started taking part in some of the land

477
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 1: disputes out west with white settlers. Yeah, the removal of

478
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: the Sooners in Oklahoma.

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00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 2: That's huge. It is huge because all of a sudden,

480
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,880
Speaker 2: black regiments show up and they're like, you might be white,

481
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 2: but you need to get out of here because you

482
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 2: didn't follow the rules.

483
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: That's right.

484
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,679
Speaker 2: That's a huge change from a decade or so before

485
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 2: when like those people would have been enslaved in the South. Right,

486
00:25:58,320 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 2: it's a big deal.

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Speaker 1: What else you mentioned San Juan from the Bob Marley song.

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00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was when they entered the national stage for

489
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 2: the first time.

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00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, fighting in Cuba in Puerto Rico.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very confusing. They fought at the Battle of

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Speaker 2: San Juan Hill in Cuba and the Battle for San

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Speaker 2: Juan in Puerto Rico. That's right under the tenth Regiment,

494
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 2: under the command of a guy named General John Pershing, Yes,

495
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Speaker 2: who you might be familiar with, is known as black

496
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Speaker 2: Jack Pershing, the famous World War One general.

497
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I had heard, I knew, I'd heard of him.

498
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Speaker 2: He was named Blackjack because he was in command of

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Speaker 2: the black regiments, the tenth Cavalry.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, I think in the First World War

501
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: he was a little less willing to stand up and

502
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: like advocate for them. But by the time World War

503
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 1: Two came around, he was okay.

504
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 2: So I didn't hear about the World War two part.

505
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 2: But that was a pretty big betrayal in World War

506
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 2: One because he led the tenth Cavalry up San Juan

507
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:58,479
Speaker 2: Hill in Cuba, along with the rough Riders, along with

508
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 2: white infantry. This battle was one of the first ones

509
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 2: right before the turn of the twentieth century where there

510
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,959
Speaker 2: were if you were standing back, like looking at this battle,

511
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 2: there's black guys, there's white guys, there's black guys on horses,

512
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 2: there's Spanish people coming down here, like there's all these people,

513
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:23,360
Speaker 2: but the black soldiers and the white soldiers were intermingling,

514
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 2: fighting together, side by side. Yeah, and they won. And

515
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 2: Teddy Roosevelt said it was all me. I won the

516
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 2: Battle of Cuba San Juan in Cuba. But historians say, actually, no,

517
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 2: these black regiments, specifically the tenth Cavalry, really won this

518
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 2: battle in the Spanish American War done in Cuba, and

519
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 2: it was huge. It put the Buffalo soldiers on the

520
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 2: map for really the first time ever in the American

521
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 2: popular consciousness and like black families around America, Like you

522
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 2: could go into their dining room and there'd be a

523
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 2: print of like a painting of the Battle of San

524
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 2: Juan with the buffalo storming the hill. Like one historian

525
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 2: put it that they were there that generation's Jackie Robinson

526
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,479
Speaker 2: and Joe Lewis, like they were the heroes. Like I

527
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 2: was saying, they were the heroes at a time when

528
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 2: Jim Crow laws were really coming into into force. I'd

529
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 2: a really really bleak time for black America. All of

530
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 2: a sudden, there's these buffalo soldiers that basically helped win

531
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 2: the Spanish American War, fighting alongside white soldiers too and

532
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 2: being equal in that respect.

533
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 1: And that's why you'll see all those statues right next

534
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: to Teddy Roosevelt exactly exactly. And you know what, I

535
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: may have made up that part about General Pershing advocating

536
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: more of World War two, now that I think about it.

537
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 2: Oh, well, that was I didn't get to the betrayal thing, chuck.

538
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 2: So when World War One rolled around, he was in

539
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 2: charge of I think basically everybody in Europe, and he

540
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 2: turned his back on his black regiment and all black

541
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,959
Speaker 2: soldiers and basically said, no, you guys fight in your

542
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 2: own regiment, so I don't want you fighting side by side.

543
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 2: But the French were like, hey, come fight with us,

544
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 2: we'll command you.

545
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: And that happened.

546
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 2: That reminded me. The French were also the first ones

547
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 2: to recognize officially the native American code talkers, even before

548
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 2: the United States did.

549
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: Oh I remember that.

550
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 2: And they also used black aviators in World War One too.

551
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 2: So up with the French historically speaking, right, there's a teachhert.

552
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: They gave us those fries, sure, and that bread you.

553
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 2: Mean freedom fries?

554
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: Uh huh, freedom bread.

555
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm talking a lot.

556
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, am I? I mean no more than usual?

557
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 2: Okay, freedom bread.

558
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: So in World War Two, the Buffalo Soldier units were

559
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: used a lot a lot of times, though they were

560
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: not on the front lines. They were stuck to administrative

561
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: and support duties. But they did join in combat here

562
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: and there and on both the theaters and the war mostly

563
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: toward toward the end of World War Two. But it

564
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: was you know, a lot of the US A lot

565
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: of the good that you see coming out of what

566
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Soldiers did was foundation work and groundwork for

567
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: desegregating the military, for showing that these guys are just

568
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: the same as white soldiers. They're just as capable, they

569
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: fight just as bravely, and it really kind of laid

570
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: that groundwork for the desegregation after the war.

571
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 2: Yes, like a direct line for it. It's weird, but

572
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 2: they basically a way to put it is that white

573
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 2: America said, okay, all right, if you will, we'll give

574
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 2: you a shot. You go out and serve in battle,

575
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 2: and let's see what you what you can do, and

576
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 2: then maybe we'll see what we'll see from there. And

577
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 2: just by being given that one opportunity to show that

578
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 2: they could do things that were presumed they couldn't, like

579
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,719
Speaker 2: act bravely and fight and be a good soldier, that

580
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 2: was like, you know, good at being a soldier. They

581
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 2: proved that all of these myths about how black people

582
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 2: couldn't do these things were wrong. And that kind of

583
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 2: thing opens up some people's eyes to Okay, well, what

584
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 2: else do I think about black people that are wrong?

585
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 2: And it's weird to think about because.

586
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: On a.

587
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 2: On a social level, that that's what it takes, that

588
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 2: people's minds can be changed like that. But historically speaking

589
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 2: in retrospect, like that's how it happens. Yeah, you know,

590
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 2: like one prejudice is tested and then all of a sudden,

591
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 2: other prejudices start falling slowly. Yeah, kind of kind of

592
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 2: falling over like dominoes, totally, very very slowly though.

593
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. Unfortunately, like dominoes, you can only picture falling fast.

594
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: I know, do that in slow mo.

595
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 2: It's almost a terrible analogy almost.

596
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: So it's crazy to think. But even though desegregation happened

597
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: long before this, it takes a while for that to

598
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: fully happen, right, And they were buffalo so nits in

599
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: the Korean War, all black units in the Korean War.

600
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 2: There was but it was nineteen forty eight I think

601
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 2: that Truman signed this act desegregating the military.

602
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think it was. It took three more years.

603
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: Nineteen fifty one was when the final final one was disbanded,

604
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: the twenty seventh.

605
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 2: Right. But that's why I was saying you could trace

606
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 2: a direct line of desegregation from the military, because that

607
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 2: was the first chance that Black America had to show

608
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 2: that it could be treated equally and that it could

609
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 2: act equally. And they showed that and it led to

610
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 2: desegregation in the military. And then three years after the

611
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 2: actual in practice desegregation of military regiments, there was the

612
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 2: Brown Versus Board of Education ruling, which not in practice

613
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 2: but in theory desegregated schools. So it went army schools,

614
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 2: and then eventually socially it just kept going. Yeah, but

615
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 2: it was because of the Buffalo soldiers in their service directly, undisputedly.

616
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean it's crazy to think as late

617
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: as the Korean War, though some of those units were

618
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: still fighting. Yeah, it is because when I think of match,

619
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel modern, but it doesn't feel like Buffalo

620
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: soldier territory.

621
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, the Buffalo soldiers you think of like nineteenth

622
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 2: century American westeen fifties Korea.

623
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: No, you don't think of Hawkeye and his gin. Still.

624
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: I guess there was one black character on mash with

625
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: a very unfortunate name, but we won't talk about that.

626
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 2: I'm not familiar. No good, I don't remember.

627
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: All right, Well, I think we should take a break

628
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: and come back and talk about what is to me

629
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: one of the cooler aspects of this whole story.

630
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 2: The Bob Marley song.

631
00:33:44,200 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: No, We'll be right back, all right, We're back, and

632
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about what I think is one

633
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: of the coolest little parts here of this whole story,

634
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: which I never knew. If you've ever been to Sequoia

635
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 1: National Park or Yosemite National Park or some other national

636
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: parks out west and you're hiking a trail or driving

637
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: down a road, you might have the Buffalo Soldiers to

638
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: thank for that trail in those roads. Yeah, and it's

639
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: one of their highlight achievements to me is once we

640
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: establish the national parks, Teddy Roosevelt again, build statues of him. Right,

641
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: you had to enforce this stuff because this was the

642
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: first time we were like, wait a minute, this is

643
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: protected land. Can't just come in here and take the

644
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: timber or hunt, you know, the animals, Like, there are

645
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 1: rules now.

646
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 2: You set up like you set aside grazing land, you

647
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 2: set aside national parks. Libertarians they take issue with that

648
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 2: kind of thing, and you need to have Buffalo soldiers

649
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 2: to fight them off.

650
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: That's right. So from eighteen ninety one to nineteen thirteen,

651
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: about twenty five years or so, these some of these

652
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: black regiments were essentially the first park rangers. Yeah, they

653
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: didn't have that name at the time, but they kept

654
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: the poachers at bay and stopped the illegal grazing and

655
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: the timber thieves. They fought wildfires.

656
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't get a chance to really look into this,

657
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 2: but I wonder what nineteen thirteen wildfire fighting was. Like,

658
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 2: I'll bet it was real dicey bucket brigade stuff, right,

659
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 2: Like twenty twenty firefighting is dicey wildfire fighting. But one

660
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 2: hundred years ago, man, I'll bet it was.

661
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: I can't imagine. Good Lord, But like I said, with

662
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: the trails and stuff, a lot of some of the

663
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: more significant trails and roads. Some of the buildings, yeah,

664
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: some of the older cabins, they were built and constructed

665
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 1: by Buffalo soldiers, which is just super cool.

666
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. So if you find a building in Yosemite or

667
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 2: Sequoia National Parks that's.

668
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,040
Speaker 1: From eighteen ninety one to nineteen thirteen, yes.

669
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 2: Then it was probably built by Buffalo soldiers or.

670
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: Hiking a trail.

671
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is all just super cool. Yeah, it's pretty cool.

672
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 2: They also rode bicycles around the place too, which is

673
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 2: kind of neat.

674
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

675
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Chuck the last Buffalo soldier, and I mean,

676
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 2: like original Buffalo soldier Mark Matthews. He died on September six,

677
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 2: two thousand and five. He was interred at Arlington National Cemetery.

678
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 2: He was one hundred and eleven years old, and he

679
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 2: actually fought under General Pershing in the tenth Cavalry on

680
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 2: the hunt for Pancho Villa.

681
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I think I don't know if we

682
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: mentioned that. How many medals of honor were there? Twenty three?

683
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 2: I saw twenty three. The National Museum of African American

684
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 2: History says eighteen. I'm gonna go with them, all right,

685
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 2: somewhere between eighteen and twenty three, let's say that.

686
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, So you know, the I guess the moral of

687
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: the story is that they did provide this direct line

688
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 1: to desegregation, not only through the army, but, like you're saying,

689
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,439
Speaker 1: all through America. But sadly, a lot of them did

690
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: exit the military. Some of them did have a little

691
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: higher status and a leg to stand on, many of

692
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: them didn't. There was a study of lynchings in the

693
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: US that found that black military veterans were targeted and

694
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: lynched more than non veteran black people, with the idea

695
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: that it was a real threat in the racist white

696
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: South for a black man to leave the army with

697
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: some rank and some status and feeling good guns, feeling

698
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:35,240
Speaker 1: good about himselves.

699
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 2: Don't forget the Tulsa massacre episode. It was the World

700
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 2: War One bets who are like, uh no, we're gonna

701
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 2: go defend this boy from being lynched, right with guns.

702
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 2: They showed up with guns. I think there. I remember

703
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 2: in The Black Panther episode two, they traced a direct

704
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 2: line of this, this sense of like you need to

705
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 2: defend yourself and protect yourself with firearms. They traced that

706
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 2: directly to World War One veteran. Oh yeah, yeah, so

707
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 2: there is a terrible logic to that, I guess.

708
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. There was also a terrible senator and

709
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: governor of Mississippi named James Vardeman who was just straight

710
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 1: up white supremacist. Like, no matter how you slice it.

711
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 2: You could have just said senator from Mississippi in nineteen seventeen. Ah.

712
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: Sure, he spoke to the US Senate and he really

713
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: kind of crystallizes how they felt about black veterans in

714
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 1: nineteen seventeen on the Senate floor, he said, once you

715
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: impress the Negro with the fact that he is defending

716
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: the flag and inflate his untortured soul with military airs,

717
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: his political rights must be respected, and he wasn't saying

718
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: like and that's.

719
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 2: Great, Yeah, so let's respect that.

720
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was a warning basically.

721
00:38:54,160 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 2: Right, and he was over looked. They didn't listen to him. No, ultimately,

722
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 2: because they did continue having black soldiers as soldiers and

723
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 2: eventually desegregated, which led to desegregation in America, which is

724
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 2: pretty great.

725
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 1: That's right. I would love to hear from some current

726
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: African American military personnel because I want to know what

727
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: the current sort of temperature is as an active service person.

728
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 2: Oh, what the racism's like in the military. Yeah, sure, I'm.

729
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: Sure you know that there'll be different versions of that

730
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: story depending on who you're in contact with and what

731
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: your particular like platoon is like.

732
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. I wonder though, because the military is like some

733
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 2: kind of weird similacrum of American society it is, I

734
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: wonder if it's more racist or less racist. I think

735
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 2: there's a chance you could go either way.

736
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,919
Speaker 1: I mean, my guess is less, you know, like I said,

737
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: my brother in law before, and as a marine and

738
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: pretty high up you could say, and every time I've

739
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: been on these marine bases a lot, and it all

740
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 1: seems like they're all sort of you know, got that thinking,

741
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: that group think going on, like we're just marines, like

742
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: none of us are a color, we're green.

743
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 2: Well, i've seen full metal Jacket, right, and there are

744
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 2: a lot of racist stuff in there.

745
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: No, I'm sure.

746
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, could go either way, It could go either way.

747
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 2: I would like to hear that as well. I'd also

748
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 2: like to hear from any Native American listeners to know

749
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 2: what they were taught about Buffalo soldiers too, what was

750
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 2: pressed down within the different tribes. Yeah, because they contacted

751
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 2: all sorts of different tribes, from the Lakota Sioux up

752
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,720
Speaker 2: in the north down to the Apaches in New Mexico

753
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 2: and Mexico.

754
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, beaches everyone. Yeah, we'll read them on listener now.

755
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 2: If you want to know more about Buffalo soldiers, there's

756
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 2: a lot of really great stuff to read. And you

757
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 2: can't really go wrong with a guy named Frank Schubert,

758
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 2: who is a scholar of them of Buffalo soldiers, and

759
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 2: he's got a lot of articles on the web and

760
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 2: I believe some books too. And since I said Frank Schubert,

761
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 2: it's time for listener mail.

762
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's not. Oh that's right, you know, what

763
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: it's time for Hit him Chuck. It is time for

764
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: administrative details. So we haven't done this in a little while.

765
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: If you're new to the show, administrative details is where

766
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: we take a couple of minutes. We're going to do

767
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: this on this episode. In the next you got that

768
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 1: straight to read out some thank yous, Tell him Chuck

769
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: for some of the kindnesses that people throw our way,

770
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: whether they be physical totems like what T shirts and

771
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 1: buttons and two confectioneries like cookies and pastries and Jesus,

772
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: I like that. What I did not do on this one,

773
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: and I feel bad because you probably did, is write

774
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: down all the names of all the postcards and letters.

775
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 2: I wrote down the ones that I yeah, I think

776
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 2: I've got basically everybody, and we should say we almost

777
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 2: always miss somebody, yeah or a few. So if we

778
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,720
Speaker 2: don't say your name and you have not been thanked

779
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 2: on a previous administrative detail, please get in touch with

780
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 2: us so we can correct that.

781
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: That's right, And if you have a letter or a

782
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 1: postcard that is on my desk, I'll include those in

783
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: the next batch because now I feel bad.

784
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 2: Bam.

785
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 1: All right, let's go through these.

786
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 2: Oh and There's also some people who I don't have

787
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 2: names for, but we do have the items, so you

788
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 2: can also write in and be like that was me.

789
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: That's right.

790
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 2: For example, the very nice person who gave us almond

791
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 2: cookies and whiskey cake at our Orlando show, our live

792
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 2: show in Orlando. Don't remember or don't have the name

793
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 2: of who gave us that, but thank you for him.

794
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: Katie from Davis, California. Send us some cool little notebooks.

795
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: They were little notebooks like schemes. Was like the title

796
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 1: of one of them, oh right, where you can write

797
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 1: down schemes, band names, just sort of fun names the

798
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: covers of these notebooks.

799
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks a lot, huge, huge thanks as always to

800
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 2: our good friends Hillary and Mike lows Are and they're

801
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 2: good friends. The people at Flathead Like Cheese for all

802
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 2: the cheese, that's right. Flat Heeadlake Cheese is far and

803
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:16,760
Speaker 2: away my favorite cheese in the world.

804
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: It's good cheese.

805
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 2: They make very good cheese. You guys cannot go wrong.

806
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 2: Just go get some Flathead Like cheese and you'll love it.

807
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. A lot of the I don't know if they

808
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: specialize in Gouda, but we seem to be on the

809
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: Goudha mailing list.

810
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 2: They make a hopped Gouda that is my favorite. Have

811
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 2: you had it?

812
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Oh my gosh, it's you.

813
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 2: It has hops in It's like it's a beer but

814
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 2: it's cheese.

815
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: And while we're on the lows AARs, Hillary and Mike

816
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: and Coop. I just got this today. They sent us

817
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: aprons yea word butcher. Yeah, aprons.

818
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 2: That is so appropriate.

819
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 1: So it's a knife going into the lettering of a

820
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: word butcher. Because I don't know if you guys know this,

821
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: but we are well known to mispronounce everything.

822
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, but your words, and you're gonna do that. So

823
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 2: Smotty from France send us a T card with some

824
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 2: lay two Marmott's t attached.

825
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: Thank you, Smarty.

826
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 2: Yep.

827
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 1: Jess Fowl sent us his game that he designed, Philosophy

828
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 1: the Game or better yet, Drunk Philosophy.

829
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 2: Nice.

830
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: That's a great name.

831
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 2: Katie Barnes from the Barnes Made Soap Company for the

832
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 2: Wonderful Soap. All of them are really good, but I

833
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 2: strongly recommend the Autumn fig and the Mariner Brian Bar

834
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,280
Speaker 2: good stuff. Oh you can head over to Barnes Made

835
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 2: b A. R. N. E. S. M A d E

836
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 2: dot com for some of Katie soaps.

837
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 1: Becky in France send us planetary coasters that she made

838
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: in her studio is uh SEFID studio dot com. That

839
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,959
Speaker 1: is C E P h E I D studio dot com.

840
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 1: If you want some planetary coasters. They are pretty spacey

841
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: and awesome.

842
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 2: Kevin Reuter gave us Basil Hayden and bullet rye you

843
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 2: remember that at our show at the Bellhouse. Yes, and

844
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 2: even wrapped them up as Christmas presents. That's right, which

845
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 2: is just lovely. Thanks a lot, Kevin, And funny enough.

846
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 2: At the show, somebody asked us, like, our like drink

847
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 2: we would want to have on a desert island. We

848
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 2: could only have one, and both of us were saying

849
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 2: gin drinks and he was like, well, I guess I

850
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 2: guessed wrong with the Basil Hayden bullet. I was like, no, dude,

851
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 2: you nailed it.

852
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: We're all inclusive, our buddy Van Nostra, and I feel

853
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: like he sent us more than this, So if you

854
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 1: have something else, let us know. We just hung out

855
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: with him and his wonderful wife Leah. Yes, in Seattle.

856
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: They sent us. He sent us some records, some Awesome Records,

857
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 1: Smurf's Disco Duck Lawrence, Welcome John Denver, the John Denver

858
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 1: Muppets Christmas.

859
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:54,240
Speaker 2: And you know what. Van Nostron gave us books before,

860
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 2: and one of them was about Oh, I can't say

861
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 2: yeah because that really because the live show.

862
00:45:59,200 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: Is not out.

863
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 2: But he gave us a book about the live show

864
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 2: years ago and I never got around to reading it.

865
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 2: They reminded me after the show. They're like, you know

866
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 2: that we sent you that book, you dummy. I said,

867
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:11,479
Speaker 2: I'll have to read it.

868
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: Now, will and Katie Lynn Lee send his coffee from

869
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: Coffee by Design, So niceish.

870
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 2: Let's see. Nicole Collins do O, doctor of Osteopathy, sent

871
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 2: us a copy of her book Insight, which is on

872
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 2: vision like real vision and the miracle that is vision.

873
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 2: So check it out.

874
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Speaker 1: Insights, a Doctor of Metal.

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Speaker 2: I was delivered by a doo and one of the

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Speaker 2: things they do is they adjust you like you're a baby,

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Speaker 2: and they adjust you like a chiropractor when you're born.

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Speaker 2: I was born breach, so the doo adjusted me in

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Speaker 2: reverse order, and apparently everyone in delivery room gave him.

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Speaker 1: A golf clap afterward, and you waved your hand and

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Speaker 1: said thank you everyone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. I have a taste for this applause.

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Speaker 1: Thing gurgled part. Indigo Proof from Portland sent me a

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Speaker 1: gift certificate for one free denim repair. Nice cause I

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Speaker 1: complained about my Levi's blowing out, so they said, send

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Speaker 1: me those jeens and we'll fix them for you. It's

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Speaker 1: indigo proof in where else do they fix jeans Portland, Oregon?

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Speaker 2: That is a gene fix in town. Sure, I got

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Speaker 2: a super old one from not this past October, but

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Speaker 2: the October before last. Chuck, Wow, do you remember Kathy

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Speaker 2: with a K tosh and I believe our Phoenix show

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Speaker 2: or our Salt Lake City show, one of.

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Speaker 1: The two are you talking about?

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Speaker 2: Gave us lassos, real live lassos and rope and she said,

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Speaker 2: go on to YouTube and learn how to lasso. Now, yeah,

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Speaker 2: and I've yet to do that, but I still have

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Speaker 2: my lasso. So thanks a lot Kathy to appreciate.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not only cool too, because I will try

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Speaker 1: and learn that one day. But it looks cool hanging

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Speaker 1: on a wall.

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Speaker 2: For sure, you know. And also I think Kathy is

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Speaker 2: a postal worker, so hopefully you dug our going postal

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Speaker 2: episode I haven't heard from her.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: Email is Kathy and let us know how.

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Speaker 1: We did have a correction to read. But I'll just

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Speaker 1: wait for a listener mail for that one.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that.

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Speaker 1: Was that was me? That was my bad?

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Speaker 2: Was it just you?

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Speaker 1: I think so?

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Speaker 2: Somebody else made it seem like it was me too?

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Speaker 1: How many more should we do for this one?

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Speaker 2: Let's teach do three more?

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Speaker 1: Okay? Anna Parker she is a painter, a muralist who

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Speaker 1: did this lovely painting of my three dogs, two of

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Speaker 1: which are now dearly departed. But it's very very sweet

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Speaker 1: and speaking of which, you can find those her work

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Speaker 1: at Sweet Tea Murals dot com.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, very nice. Let's see Lance Roper, who's my

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Speaker 2: boy from Toledo, who is from Actual Coffee in Toledo.

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Speaker 2: Send me some really good coffee. So check out Actual Coffee.

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Speaker 1: Actual Coffee. Yes, Betty Everlys and us Voodoo Dolls of Us.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I want to know who that?

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Speaker 1: Those are so cool? Yeah, they're like really cute and

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Speaker 1: they're laden with little Easter eggs like I'm holding all

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Speaker 1: kinds of crazy things that all relate to shows.

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Speaker 2: I'm holding a magic mushroom.

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Speaker 1: Really Yeah, well that's from my show. But they had

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Speaker 1: no pins, we should point out, so they weren't voodoo

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Speaker 1: dolls that were out to harm us. Her son Josh

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Speaker 1: introduced her to the show and her husband.

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Speaker 2: Way to go job.

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Speaker 1: So thanks Betty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, momo's riding my foot online too. Oh really, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's very cute. Let's see the wooden egg and special

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Speaker 2: egg coasters SYSK egg coasters from the very kind people

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Speaker 2: at good egg World.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, all right. I got one more for this,

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Speaker 1: a dish Adam Peterson. This was a really cool gift.

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Speaker 1: He sent us two bottles of Coca Cola from the

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Speaker 1: very last run of returnable bottles that Coca Cola ever did.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow.

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Speaker 1: There were small family run bottler in Winona, Minnesota, and

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Speaker 1: he said his in laws had run it since nineteen

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Speaker 1: thirty two. So these were the last run of returnables

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Speaker 1: that came off the line. And they're even stamped with

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Speaker 1: their little family bottler name and everything.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's really very cool. All right. Last one, this

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Speaker 2: one came from the Toronto Show. A guy named Phil

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Speaker 2: Bowen gave us each a prostheticie.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, that's one of the best ever.

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Speaker 2: One of the best gifts either one of us has

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Speaker 2: ever gotten so cool. So thanks a lot for our

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Speaker 2: prosthetic eyes, Phil. We still have them. I think there's

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Speaker 2: a picture of us wearing them too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Okay. If you want to get in touch with us,

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Speaker 2: just to say hi or to send us something, it

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Speaker 2: doesn't matter. You can go on to stuff youshould know

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Speaker 2: dot com and follow our social links there I think,

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Speaker 2: and as always, you can send us an email, wrap

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Speaker 2: it up, spank it on the bottom, and send it

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