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Speaker 2: A commentator, international social media sensation and former Navy intelligence veteran.

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Speaker 3: This is Human Events with your host Jack Persovit christ

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Speaker 3: Is King.

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Speaker 4: President Trump today acknowledging a peace agreement between Russia and

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Speaker 4: Ukraine remains elusive. The President though still working on setting

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Speaker 5: We're going to see if Putin and Zelenski will be

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Speaker 3: You know, that's like oil and vinegar a little bit.

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Speaker 1: They don't get along too well.

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Speaker 4: But in an exclusive interview with Meet the Press moderator

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Speaker 4: is no meeting planned and there won't be for some time.

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Speaker 6: Putin is ready to meet with Zilenski when the agenda

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Speaker 7: The Justice Department has publicly released a transcript and audio

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Speaker 8: Did you ever observe President Trump receive massage. Never there's

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Speaker 8: photographs of mister Epstein and President Trump together. Yes, those

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Speaker 9: Yes, that's my memories. There were social settings. I think

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Speaker 5: The Trump administration's ongoing efforts to combat crime are showing

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Speaker 10: Since President Trump announced his initiative, the White House has

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Speaker 1: Hundred arrests and ninety one illegal gun seized so far.

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Speaker 1: to Chicago. Those state and local leaders are strongly pushing

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Speaker 12: Take over your city, that's a policy choice.

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Speaker 11: What President Trump is showing is that if you just

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentle and welcome on board today's edition of

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Speaker 1: Human events daily. We're here live in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: Today's August twenty fifth, twenty twenty five Anno dominie, folks.

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Speaker 1: The days of lawlessness are over. It is time to

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Speaker 1: boo kela every American city take back our streets. And

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Speaker 1: what do I mean by that? The days where you

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Speaker 1: okay to steal, assault and vandalize are over. These are

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Speaker 1: No, it's called common sense and it's something that I

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Speaker 1: like to call normal. No, I'm sorry. If you're not

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Speaker 1: Normal is when you can walk down the street in

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Speaker 1: What happens with that? And when you stay out too late,

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people been asking me about this. I've

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Speaker 1: You're saying, why won't someone just go and sit down

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Speaker 12: On man ay doing Jack.

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Speaker 1: you know, or the CIA and hand stuff. No, I

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Speaker 1: mean the real stuff that it's it's all based on Okay,

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Speaker 1: we think that the subject might or the source might

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Speaker 1: know about these things. But oh my gosh, they're mentioning this.

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Speaker 1: They're mentioning this, they're mentioning this, they're mentioning this. So

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Speaker 1: then you build your plan off of that. And so

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Speaker 1: you'd want a tailor. So what you want to try

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Speaker 1: to do is you'd have your no session to say, Okay,

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Speaker 1: tell me about those cartels again, right, And so maybe

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Speaker 1: you have one session on cartels, then you have another

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Speaker 1: session on accounts, you another session maybe just I don't know,

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Speaker 1: planes or something like that. And and so that's why

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Speaker 1: I keep saying this needs to be a series, because

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Speaker 1: there's just too much here.

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Speaker 10: Right right, and especially when it comes to the intelligence links.

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Speaker 10: And this was this is one of the most frustrating

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Speaker 10: parts of the transcript for me. Uh, you know, the

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Speaker 10: first thing I did when I popped it open is

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Speaker 10: I ran a control F for intelligence and and.

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Speaker 1: All the different The first thing I did was run

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Speaker 1: a control F from Mike Ben's.

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Speaker 10: Yeah does she have Twitter access there?

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Speaker 6: She does? She know?

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Speaker 12: Does she get my love letters?

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Speaker 6: Jack?

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Speaker 12: Is that there's she.

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Speaker 1: Did so strange. Every every third word was a code.

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Speaker 12: Well.

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Speaker 10: So this this is a very frustrating part of it

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Speaker 10: for me, because you know, it's it's one of those

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Speaker 10: things where we still don't have any official word from

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Speaker 10: either the DOJ or the CIA about the internal intelligence

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Speaker 10: links that Epstein had or may have had. This is

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Speaker 10: obviously a long running saga because the Plea deal, the

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Speaker 10: sweetheart Plea deal that gave immunity to all co conspirators

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Speaker 10: known or unknown, back in two thousand and eight, was

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Speaker 10: cut by Alex Acosta, who then went on to be

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Speaker 10: the Secretary of Labor for the Trump administration after being

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Speaker 10: the dean of Florida International University Law School, which is

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Speaker 10: a very CIA connected school. I should note Florida International

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Speaker 10: University is now where Jan Guido is in Maria Karina, Machado.

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Speaker 10: It's like a very big South America, Central America.

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Speaker 1: Michaeh big quick break, will we'll finish this right after here,

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Speaker 1: don't you dare? Click away from Real America's voice human

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Speaker 1: that's stalely.

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Speaker 6: Right back back? Where's Jack?

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Speaker 1: Where's Jack?

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Speaker 12: Worrissing?

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Speaker 6: Jack?

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Speaker 1: I want to see you.

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Speaker 6: Great job, Jack, Thank you, what a job you'd do.

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Speaker 9: You know, we have an incredible thing.

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Speaker 5: We're always talking about the fake news and demand, but

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Speaker 5: we have guys and these are the guys shore be getting.

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Speaker 1: Publicishi all right, Jack pi Zevic back here because you

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Speaker 1: didn't click away. You wouldn't. Dare never would. From Real

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Speaker 1: America's Voice, and this is Human Events Daily in Washington,

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Speaker 1: d C. We're all with Mike Ben's. We're talking about

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Speaker 1: these you know, these questions and these tantalizing questions. A

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Speaker 1: lot of it seems left on the field with this

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Speaker 1: Galain Maxwell interview. But you know, as someone who's you know,

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Speaker 1: this is only this is a small appertee to the

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Speaker 1: main chorus which would and potentially a banquet that is

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Speaker 1: yet to come in terms of this. And so we're

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Speaker 1: Mike Ben's was telling us though about how these connections,

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Speaker 1: you know, these intel connections that they're talking about actually

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Speaker 1: do come directly with military connections. And it's very interesting

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Speaker 1: how just looking at this, I keep saying, wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: why are all these arrows pointing at Ukraine?

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Speaker 12: Right?

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Speaker 10: And as you mentioned the Clinton Global Initiative, the I

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Speaker 10: think the largest individual donor was Victor Pinchuk. And then obviously,

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Speaker 10: you know, as we covered, Epstein and Maxwell go on

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Speaker 10: to help co founder the Clinton global initiative, and you know,

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Speaker 10: wrapping up the Epstein part of it, they did ask

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Speaker 10: on the US side, and again the CIA and DOJ

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Speaker 10: are still mum, even though Alexecosta reportedly said that he

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Speaker 10: cut the sweetheart deal because Epstein quote belongs to intelligence,

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Speaker 10: and we still don't have the results of a CIA

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Speaker 10: named trace. We still don't have any feedback. Pam Bondi

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Speaker 10: said you'd get back to us about looking into Epstein's

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Speaker 10: intelligence links. No word back yet from Pambandi on that, unfortunately.

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Speaker 10: But they did ask about foreign intelligence and you know,

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Speaker 10: so they asked about British intelligence and Saudi and then

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Speaker 10: they asked about Israeli intelligence and they asked specifically about

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Speaker 10: Masad though, and the real story here, Epstein got his

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Speaker 10: start in this really during this highly militarized period in

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Speaker 10: American history in the Middle East around even though his

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Speaker 10: clients were Saudi Arabia, you know, odd non Koshogi military contractors,

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Speaker 10: that's who he claimed was his client in the nineteen eighties,

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Speaker 10: the most profitable, highest paid weapons dealer in the world,

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Speaker 10: who was a Saudi guy. The whole Iran Contra and

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Speaker 10: Iran Iraq war. US involvement was through military sales with

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Speaker 10: evolving out on Koshogi, Jeffrey Epstein's client, and that was

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Speaker 10: facilitated between the US and Israel. But this was really

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Speaker 10: a military intelligence story more than a kind of political

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Speaker 10: maneuvering Massad story.

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Speaker 12: So Todd Blanche asks.

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Speaker 10: About the Epstein's links with Massad, and it's unfortunate that

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Speaker 10: he singled out Massad there rather than Israeli intelligence in general,

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Speaker 10: because she said not delivered I'll read the transcript. He said,

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Speaker 10: did you ever have contact with anyone from Massad?

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Speaker 12: The Israeli intelligence agency?

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Speaker 10: And she says not deliberately, And then Todd Blanche says,

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Speaker 10: did you ever think Epstein was getting money from Massad?

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Speaker 10: And Galaine said, I wouldn't know. But then in the

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Speaker 10: very next question he tries to move on and say,

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Speaker 10: are there any other foreign nationals or high society folks

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Speaker 10: or international busines, businessmen or politicians at a very close

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Speaker 10: relationship with mister Epstein that we haven't already talked about.

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Speaker 10: And Glenn Maxwell says, off the top of my head,

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Speaker 10: I can think of a hood Barock. And then Todd

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Speaker 10: Blanche goes on. He doesn't follow that up with anything.

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Speaker 10: He just then asks about Epstein's testosterone replacement therapy. Now,

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Speaker 10: Hudbarock was the head of Israeli military intelligence from nineteen

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Speaker 10: eighty three to nineteen eighty five, exactly when Jeffrey Epstein

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Speaker 10: was starting off his entire career. Hudbarock met with Jeffrey

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Speaker 10: Epstein forty five times.

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Speaker 12: They went into business together.

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Speaker 10: They started Carbine, this big military surveillance company they co

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Speaker 10: invested together. Ahotbarock is probably the most prolific Epstein figure

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Speaker 10: in the story. Hubarrock was also the Prime Minister of

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Speaker 10: Israel while Bill Clinton was the President of the United States.

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Speaker 10: We know that Jeffrey Epstein made seventeen White House visits

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Speaker 10: to Bill Clinton's White House and then helped Bill Clinton

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Speaker 10: found the Clinton Global Initiative at the same time Hudbarock

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Speaker 10: But it's almost like the DOJ didn't know who who

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Speaker 10: Barock was or and Abud Rock, by the way, is

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Speaker 10: very much an enemy of both the Trump and net

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Speaker 10: Yahoo administrations. Hohodbarock was part of that West exec group

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Speaker 10: where closely with Avril Haynes and Tony Blinkoln and that

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Speaker 10: whole crew. They've been trying to revive the Israeli Labor

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Speaker 10: Party as a buffer against the Lakoude. So there's this

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Speaker 10: kind of international alliance between the Democrats in the United

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Speaker 10: States and Hohod Barock and the fact that DOJ she

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Speaker 10: volunteered it, Maxwell volunteered it, and no questions about probably

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Speaker 10: the single most prolific figure in the foreign intelligence side

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Speaker 10: of this, and so I found that to be very frustrating.

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Speaker 10: But obviously, you know, this whole military intelligence side, it's

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Speaker 10: always unclear whether the dj is avoiding those questions because

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Speaker 10: they're simply not versed enough in the subject matter expert,

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Speaker 10: or they don't want national security secrets, or they don't

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Speaker 10: want necessarily things on the record that they don't want to.

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Speaker 12: Get too close to.

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Speaker 10: So that's also I think the kind of protective shield

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Speaker 10: that has been over much of Russia Gate and the

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Speaker 10: Ukraine affair coming into these past couple months of disclosure

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Speaker 10: out of ODE and I and FBI.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think that's right in persons from clearly using

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Speaker 1: this and Cholsey Gabbert with these disclosures on Russia Gate

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Speaker 1: to kind of reset the context of all of these

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Speaker 1: conversations to say, look, there never was anything between us.

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Speaker 1: That's all now been litigated. Let's sit down and have

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Speaker 1: this conversation. Look, I was there in Anchorage. People at

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Speaker 1: conceived with their own two eyes. I saw with my

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Speaker 1: own two that there was this direct relationship certainly between

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Speaker 1: the President and Putin when they came off the tarmac together,

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Speaker 1: or they met at the tarmacer i should say. But

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Speaker 1: at the same time, when it seemed as though, I'll

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Speaker 1: put it this way, it seemed like the two of

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Speaker 1: them could probably work out a deal together. The problem

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Speaker 1: it came with when it came to the deal of

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Speaker 1: all the Europeans when they got back to Washington, DC

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Speaker 1: on Monday for that multilateral meeting.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 10: And this is one of the frustrations from my side

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Speaker 10: of this year is I think Trump has a kind

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Speaker 10: of Reaganite piece through strength philosophy, and I think that

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Speaker 10: much a Pentagon funding. It's not just the trillion dollar

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Speaker 10: Trump gave the military its highest budget of all time,

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Speaker 10: even in the first term. This is all while telling

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Speaker 10: the military not to get involved in Syria, not to

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Speaker 10: get involved in nation building to you know, they accused

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Speaker 10: him of being an isolationist while giving the most money

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Speaker 10: to the military ever of any president twice now. And also,

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Speaker 10: Hilary Clinton was on TV last week. She was on

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Speaker 10: live broadcast TV News saying the first thing positive I

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Speaker 10: think she's ever said about Donald Trump in the past

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Speaker 10: ten years, commending him for getting countries to fulfill their

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Speaker 10: NATO commitments. But NATO is the big blocking point in

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Speaker 10: the Ukraine negotiation. And not only that, NATO is doing

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Speaker 10: a lot of the civilian censorship work that both President

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Speaker 10: Trump and Vice President jd Vance are campaigning against. And

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Speaker 10: so I understand that the strategy that the admin is

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Speaker 10: pursuing is keeping the coalition together. You know, it keeps

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Speaker 10: the Lindsey Grahams, and it keeps the internationalist wing of

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Speaker 10: of the corpse, so to speak.

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Speaker 12: They're they're getting their cut of the pie. But what

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Speaker 12: you're running.

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Speaker 10: Into here is that we're beefing up in organization that

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Speaker 10: is on the other side of the negotiating table with

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Speaker 10: us in terms of our own foreign policy. So you

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Speaker 10: know the analogy I've been giving, it's like it's like

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Speaker 10: giving a dog steroids and then telling it to stay

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Speaker 10: in the house, or like giving a dog amphetamines and

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Speaker 10: telling it just to you know, just sit still.

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Speaker 12: It's it's more money than that.

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Speaker 1: Or when when we give our kids cupcakes and we

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Speaker 1: tell them they're not allowed to run around that it's

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Speaker 1: have to go straight to bed. Now the martial rest,

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Speaker 1: it's like exactly, yeah, exactly, yeah, they're not. Mike Ben's hey, man,

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Speaker 1: I got about a minute left. I know you got

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Speaker 1: to run. Tell people what your coordinates are because there's

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Speaker 1: so much more to come of this. And look, if

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Speaker 1: President Trump wants to drop the hammer, we all know

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Speaker 1: we will.

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Speaker 10: Yes, Okay, find me on x at Mike Ben Cyber.

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Speaker 10: My foundation's work is at Foundation for Freedom Online dot com.

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Speaker 10: You can also find my video archives on rumbling YouTube.

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Speaker 1: That's right, And in fact, there was an and just

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Speaker 1: by the way, there was a piece in the Washington

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Speaker 1: Post this last weekend saying that one of Villainski's advisors saying, look,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna we are getting a lot more pressure from

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Speaker 1: the White House talking about financial and perhaps even intelligence

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Speaker 1: cessation if they do not agree to this deal. So

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Speaker 1: we will see broke that down on war room. Park

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Speaker 1: it here, folks, we ain't going anywhere, and neither of

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Speaker 1: you remarcus voice human events. Sally continues.

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Speaker 3: Jack is a great guy.

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Speaker 1: He's written at fantastic book.

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Speaker 3: Everybody's talking about it.

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Speaker 1: Go get it.

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Speaker 6: And he's been my friend right from.

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Speaker 5: The beginning of this whole beautiful event.

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Speaker 1: And we're going to turn it around and make our

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Speaker 1: country ready to get Amen.

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Speaker 3: And what the penalty is going to be.

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Speaker 5: If you burn a flag, you get one year in jail.

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Speaker 5: No early exits, no nothing. You get one year in jail.

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Speaker 5: If you burn a flag, you get and what it

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Speaker 5: does is insight to write out they use that language,

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Speaker 5: by the way, did that insite to riot? And you

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Speaker 5: burn a flag, you get one year in jail. You

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Speaker 5: don't get ten years, you don't get one month. You

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Speaker 5: get one year in jail, and it goes on your record.

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Speaker 5: And you will see flag burning stopping immediately.

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Speaker 1: All right. Jack pisobic back live impromptu interesting cultural debate

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Speaker 1: that President Trump is reignited here regarding the burning of

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Speaker 1: an America flag. Now, this is an interesting one because

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Speaker 1: it goes all the way back to the late eighteen

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Speaker 1: hundred's early nineteen hundreds because during the Spanish American War,

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Speaker 1: this is really when many states began and World War One,

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Speaker 1: this is when many states around the country began passing

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Speaker 1: laws banning desecration of the US flag. By the nineteen thirties,

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Speaker 1: forty eight states had statutes criminalizing burning, mutilating, or defacing

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Speaker 1: the flag of our great nation. However, it was in

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Speaker 1: the nineteen thirties and then even a little bit after

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Speaker 1: in the nineteen eighties that the Supreme Court began striking

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Speaker 1: these down. And this is you know, it's talking about

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Speaker 1: flag burning. And then really the Vietnam Wars when it

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Speaker 1: came up and the incitement statute that they're bringing up.

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Speaker 1: That decision was only made in nineteen eighty nine, so

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Speaker 1: states have had these on the books for quite some

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Speaker 1: time now. Personally, I'm all for it. A nation is

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Speaker 1: important and the nation's symbol is the American flag. In Poland,

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Speaker 1: it is a criminal act to desecrate the Polish flag.

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Speaker 1: If you do not enshrine these things in law, if

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Speaker 1: they do not get special protection, then people will not

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Speaker 1: believe they have any special protection. Libby Emmons, the editor

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Speaker 1: in chief of Human of Human Events and the Post Millennial,

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Speaker 1: is joining us now. Libby, what do you think about

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Speaker 1: the new executive order?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was watching this along with you and along

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Speaker 2: with a lot of people here in America about the

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Speaker 2: flag burning, and I always of two minds about it.

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Speaker 2: On the one hand, I am not in favor of

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Speaker 2: burning the flag. I don't think that that's an appropriate action.

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Speaker 2: I love this country. I think we should all love

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Speaker 2: this country, and we should honor the country by honoring

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Speaker 2: some of the symbols of the country life, our flag.

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Speaker 2: But on the other hand, I know, looking back at

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Speaker 2: the Texas v. Johnson decision from nineteen eighty nine and

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Speaker 2: the reasons behind burning the flag, you know, and the

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Speaker 2: statue there about incitement, I do think that it is

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Speaker 2: a form of political speech to burn the flag.

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Speaker 3: We saw that in all of the instances that you mentioned.

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Speaker 2: It was a big deal, you know, in the Vietnam

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Speaker 2: era and civil rights, and so I wonder I wonder

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Speaker 2: if it's appropriate to legally ban it, or if this

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Speaker 2: is yet another thing that we Americans should not be

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Speaker 2: told legally that we cannot do. Is just something that

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Speaker 2: we should not do and we should know better than that. Ideally,

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Speaker 2: if someone's going to burn the flag as a form

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Speaker 2: of protest, it has to be the ultimate severe thing

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Speaker 2: that they are actually protesting, and not just you know,

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Speaker 2: your garden variety of random foreign wars.

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Speaker 1: So it does seem though that he's constructed the language,

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Speaker 1: and that the White House Office that puts this through

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Speaker 1: they've used language that directly relates to that nineteen eighty

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Speaker 1: nine case because they want this to be reviewed by

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Speaker 1: the court. It seems very much as though they're trying

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Speaker 1: to incite a Supreme Court review of this, which they

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Speaker 1: know they'll obviously get.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that you're exactly right.

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Speaker 2: And one thing I do love about this administration is

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Speaker 2: how many things they have brought to the Supreme Court,

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Speaker 2: how many instances they say this needs review again, this

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Speaker 2: needs review again.

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Speaker 3: And that's great. And Yeah, in the Texas v.

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Speaker 2: Johnson case, what we have a situation where the man

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Speaker 2: was burning a flag as part of a protest. There

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Speaker 2: was no rioting, It was essentially a peaceful protest other

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Speaker 2: than the flag burning, and so the Supreme Court said

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Speaker 2: there was no incitement to violence. There was no incitement

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Speaker 2: to rioting. So because of that, we're going to say

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Speaker 2: that this is protected First Amendment speech, and Yeah, including

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Speaker 2: the language about incitement I think is really really important.

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Speaker 2: I think you're exactly right about that, because what the

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Speaker 2: administration is saying is if you are burning a flag

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Speaker 2: as part of a violent action, as part of and

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Speaker 2: incitement to further mayhem, then that's something that's going to

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Speaker 2: be punishable with a year in jail. Another thing that

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Speaker 2: they did in this EO that I found interesting was

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Speaker 2: they put this flag burning under more scrutiny by local law.

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Speaker 2: So they're saying, if your local law enforcement and someone

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Speaker 2: is burning a flag as part of a protest or

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Speaker 2: anything else in a place that is not legally allowed

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Speaker 2: for open burning, or in a place where this can

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Speaker 2: be considered property destruction, like it's somebody else's flag, which

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Speaker 2: is something that we've seen in some of the protests

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Speaker 2: and riots in Seattle and Portland, where they take somebody

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Speaker 2: else's flag and then desecrate it, then that is something

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Speaker 2: that local law enforcement really needs to pay attention to.

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Speaker 2: So those are a few areas that are different that

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Speaker 2: make it different from the Texas v. Johnson case, and

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Speaker 2: I would love to see this back before the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 2: I think it's definitely time, especially given the situation where

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Speaker 2: so many localities in municipalities have put into place hate

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Speaker 2: crime type of laws against.

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Speaker 1: Dining before we go there. And you're right, of course,

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Speaker 1: the left totally before this if it was about pride

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Speaker 1: flags or trans flags or anything else. But here's the

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Speaker 1: exact line that they have. Notwithstanding the Supreme Court's rulings

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Speaker 1: on First Amendment protections, the Court has never held that

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Speaker 1: that American flag desecration conducted in a manner that is

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Speaker 1: likely to incite imminent lawless action, or that is in

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Speaker 1: action amounting to quote, fighting words, is constitutionally protected. And

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Speaker 1: they specifically cite the Texas v. Johnson case of nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty nine, and so this is exactly what they're talking about.

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Speaker 1: They're saying that in these basically, I guess it's like

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Speaker 1: if you're going to perhaps you know, burn a flag

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Speaker 1: on your own property in private that this is based

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Speaker 1: on my and I'm not a lawyer, my reading of it,

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Speaker 1: but it seems as though that would not necessarily be

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Speaker 1: covered by this. But what they are talking about, and

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Speaker 1: I think we just had it up there some one

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Speaker 1: of the crazy Union station riots that was going on,

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Speaker 1: one of more of those situations.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that that's right. And if you look

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Speaker 2: at this footage, and we've seen a lot of footage that.

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Speaker 1: One or not.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well there's been so many.

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Speaker 2: Right, But if you look at this kind of footage

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Speaker 2: and what they're doing, this is intentionally designed to.

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Speaker 3: Be inciting, right.

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Speaker 2: I mean a lot of these kinds of protests are

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Speaker 2: the ones that in twenty twenty then would see the

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Speaker 2: destruction of statues, which also Trump has signed an executive

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Speaker 2: order saying that that's absolutely not allowed.

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Speaker 3: And I think that a lot of times what protesters

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Speaker 3: are doing what.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I was just going to add, there's a there

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Speaker 1: is a line here specifically pointing out that this isn't

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Speaker 1: This is also being used by foreign nationals. Now when

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Speaker 1: we saw this in the LA riots to act to

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Speaker 1: intimidy and threaten violence against Americans because of their nationality

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Speaker 1: and place of birth. They're talking about Americans whose nationality

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Speaker 1: is American and that their place of birth is America.

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Speaker 1: So why would a foreign national be given First Amendment

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Speaker 1: protections to burn our flag in our country when they're

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Speaker 1: not even from here. I mean, to me, that's ludicrous.

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Speaker 1: I mean I would even if we had longer time,

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Speaker 1: And maybe, who knows, maybe we'll see each other in

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Speaker 1: timcast this week at some point. That hint hint that

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Speaker 1: you know, the phrase freedom of expression is found nowhere

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Speaker 1: in the Bill of Rights. This is something that was

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Speaker 1: added on by courts in later in the twentieth century.

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Speaker 1: I don't think the founding fathers ever intended for the

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Speaker 1: First Amendment to include freedom of expression, any and all expressions.

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Speaker 1: Clearly there were lots of expressions. I mean they used

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Speaker 1: to tar and feather people back in those days. But

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Speaker 1: they didn't write that that was protected by the First

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Speaker 1: Amendment at all, and they clearly could have. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this was a time of great public place, political intersection

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Speaker 1: where you saw things like that, but they didn't protect that.

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Speaker 1: They specifically protected speech, and I think that is the

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Speaker 1: spoken word and the written word. I don't think that

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Speaker 1: it extends to this crazy broad, broad place where we've

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Speaker 1: brought it now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think those are really good questions.

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Speaker 2: It also brings up the question of campaign contributions. Is

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Speaker 2: that freedom of speech is our political contributions. Freedom of

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Speaker 2: speech and then you also have questions. We saw last

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Speaker 2: year in New York City pro Palestinian protests where people

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Speaker 2: were taking down American flags, not burning them or desecrating them,

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Speaker 2: but taking them down and putting up Palestinian flags instead.

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Speaker 2: Is that something that is protected speech or is that

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Speaker 2: a violation against the flag and against symbols of America.

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Speaker 1: There are so many folks. Go give her a follow

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Speaker 1: at Libby Emmons, and of course always be reading human

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Speaker 1: events dot com and the postmillennial dot com. Ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: As always, you have my permission to lasier