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Speaker 4: It is Thursday, September twenty eighth, twenty twenty three, season nineteen,
Speaker 4: episode number forty one. Welcome to latest edition of The
Speaker 4: Break live from the s WBC Mortgan Studios at the Star.
Speaker 4: Got Brian, Patrick and Amber here with me. We're going
Speaker 4: to talk about the Cowboys defense versus the New England
Speaker 4: offense for bulk of the show today. I do also
Speaker 4: want to talk a little bit about Tony Pollard. We
Speaker 4: haven't spent a lot of time on Tony poll but
Speaker 4: I thought I saw some interesting statistics about his performance
Speaker 4: so far the season. We'll get into that here early
Speaker 4: in the show. Before we do that, though, we'll get
Speaker 4: a little bit of updates on our injury situations. We
Speaker 4: got plenty of injury situations.
Speaker 2: To talk about. Patrick, talk to us about.
Speaker 4: Who's on the injury part and what we should know
Speaker 4: and expect to happen as the week ends.
Speaker 5: Well, as it stands, Tyler Baddish and Zach Martin are
Speaker 5: expected to ramp up a bit in Thursday's practice. They
Speaker 5: were both D and P did not participate on Wednesday.
Speaker 5: Mike mcarthy says they're both expected to be limited, so
Speaker 5: progress there. Tyron Smith is expected to be with the
Speaker 5: rehab group. Don't know that he'll see any limited work today,
Speaker 5: but they'll see how he feels after the rehab group
Speaker 5: ends and they'll go from there. But I expect him
Speaker 5: to be D and P again this today as he
Speaker 5: was on yesterday. Tom Idoka was limited because he's still
Speaker 5: working through that elbow that he hyper extended against the Jets,
Speaker 5: but no expectation that he'll miss this week as long
Speaker 5: as he doesn't have a setback anything like that. DeMarcus
Speaker 5: Lawrence ced Lamb were both absent from Wednesday practice, but
Speaker 5: it was a veteran rest day that I'm told for
Speaker 5: both of them.
Speaker 2: How can I sign up for one of those?
Speaker 5: I would like to have one as well. I should
Speaker 5: talk to my immediate supervisor.
Speaker 6: Yea, you who needs to approve it.
Speaker 2: Fair enough.
Speaker 5: So I don't know my immediate supervisors watching. My immediate
Speaker 5: supervisor's immediate supervisor is sitting right here. So but yeah,
Speaker 5: so veteran rest days for DeMarcus Lawrence and Cede Lamb.
Speaker 5: So no concerns on either one of those guys. But
Speaker 5: offensive line, there are at least there's at least some
Speaker 5: progress being made towards them possibly returning on Sunday.
Speaker 7: If you had to pick one guy that you probably
Speaker 7: don't want to play without this week, who is that guy.
Speaker 2: On the offensive line?
Speaker 7: I don't know to me, and I appreciate what Adoga
Speaker 7: has tried to do, But if you told me I
Speaker 7: could have Tyron Smith back this week and play and now,
Speaker 7: I mean the way that Patrick's talking about him missing
Speaker 7: another day, will see how the week goes. I don't
Speaker 7: know if I want to go through another of Matthew
Speaker 7: Jordon versus a doga on the outside. You know, I
Speaker 7: just I feel like that, you know, with what brock
Speaker 7: Hoffman did inside at guard, I'm okay with, you know,
Speaker 7: not that TJ. Bass was great, but he wasn't, you know,
Speaker 7: terrible either. Having Zach Martin back would be huge, but
Speaker 7: to me that left tackle spot, especially because they're committed
Speaker 7: to going ahead and playing.
Speaker 2: Tyler Smith at left guard.
Speaker 7: You know, there doesn't seem like much of an interest
Speaker 7: in saying, well, I know, Tyler, hey, by the way
Speaker 7: you were, you know, all rookie basically as a left tackle.
Speaker 7: You probably you know we're flirting with Pro Bowl thoughts
Speaker 7: as well by the way you played. But no, we're
Speaker 7: just going to keep you at guard and let Adoga
Speaker 7: handle that tackle spot, even though Adoga looked probably better
Speaker 7: at guard than he has looked at tackle. Sometimes the
Speaker 7: decisions baffle me a little bit. And I understand when
Speaker 7: you start to talk about, well he worked here all week.
Speaker 2: What we've learned about the NFL in this day and age.
Speaker 7: This isn't nineteen seventy eight where the same five guys
Speaker 7: played all fourteen games. You know, back in the day,
Speaker 7: you have to be able to adapt and move and
Speaker 7: not get caught in a bad spot. You know, playing
Speaker 7: Tyler Smith at left tackle last week might have helped
Speaker 7: you in that football game, might have helped you in
Speaker 7: that double move that you got sacked on. You know,
Speaker 7: I just there's things, there's discussions, and in my mind,
Speaker 7: I'm like just let me have Tyron Smith back the
Speaker 7: way he played the first couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: Let me have him back there at left tackle.
Speaker 4: I'm willing to give them the benefit of doubt last
Speaker 4: week because again, you got Tyler coming back from injury,
Speaker 4: You got the whole week where you maybe thought Tyron
Speaker 4: was going to play, and then you get to last minute.
Speaker 4: I agree with you, though you get to this weekend.
Speaker 4: You had a full week now to play with the
Speaker 4: prospects of Tyron Smith not playing, and it will be
Speaker 4: in interesting to me if Tyron doesn't play this weekend
Speaker 4: and they still opt to keep Tyler Smith at guard, right,
Speaker 4: Because I do agree with you. I think when you
Speaker 4: look at that defensive line, Judo is a problem. He
Speaker 4: is a problem, and if you don't pay attention to him,
Speaker 4: then then you're going to have a problem. And I
Speaker 4: think that you're he is I mean Tyler Smith is.
Speaker 4: I mean Tyler Smith is one of your best offensive linemen.
Speaker 4: If you're not going to put your best on the best,
Speaker 4: then it just it makes me wonder a little bit.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I agree, And I like you said, we'll
Speaker 5: give them grace for last week because they didn't know
Speaker 5: what was going on with Tyron Smith. I mean the
Speaker 5: knee injury pops up on Saturday, and then they really
Speaker 5: tried to give him a goal on Sunday. Then things
Speaker 5: just got weird as far as posting actives. He's team captain,
Speaker 5: but he's not going through warm ups and then he's
Speaker 5: not playing. And all last week they had too many dope. Sorry,
Speaker 5: they had Tyler Smith taking left guard reps, so they
Speaker 5: didn't want to disrupt the scheme at the last possible second.
Speaker 5: But to your point, Derek, you don't have that going
Speaker 5: into this week. I mean you have a very real
Speaker 5: concern about Tyron Smith being able to go. So is
Speaker 5: Tyler Smith getting reps at left tackle? And to Brian's point,
Speaker 5: if you are without Tyron Smith, then for me, I've
Speaker 5: got to see Tyler Smith at left tackle and then
Speaker 5: you put you know, Eatoga at left guard.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just man it just right the grace period.
Speaker 7: But this day and age, you have to be super
Speaker 7: flexible in how you play because with your lineup, with
Speaker 7: your current group of offensive linemen, you have one guy
Speaker 7: that it seems to something always happens to him, and
Speaker 7: it might not always be in practice or something.
Speaker 2: When you look at You know, with Tyron Smith.
Speaker 7: He could wake up in a bad with a bad back,
Speaker 7: he could wake up with a bat anybody can. But
Speaker 7: he seems like the one that like crazy, what what
Speaker 7: what happened? Kind of injuries, you know. And I just
Speaker 7: think that, you know, with McCarthy, the couple of things
Speaker 7: that he identified with getting the backups more work, but
Speaker 7: also trying to be a little bit more flexible with
Speaker 7: what they're going to do with the line.
Speaker 2: I hope that's the case this week.
Speaker 8: And this is where you have a backup plan, then
Speaker 8: a backup, backup plan.
Speaker 6: And I'm talking.
Speaker 8: Specifical about situation because Okay, to be fair, you never
Speaker 8: expect three of your starters to be out. So when
Speaker 8: you add him uh Sech Martin, Tyler bed Ish, that's.
Speaker 6: Something very unexpected that you did it.
Speaker 2: You could plan for Tyrone exactly.
Speaker 8: But then that goes into the question that maybe the
Speaker 8: guy that you had for to be Tyron's backup, now
Speaker 8: you've got to move around because of the other guys
Speaker 8: being out.
Speaker 7: But I think to me, there was always the side
Speaker 7: of me that once that Tyler Smith played the whole
Speaker 7: season at left tackle last year, I'm like leave him there.
Speaker 2: That kid can play. Just let him. You know, if
Speaker 2: you have to move on from Tyron Smith, I get it.
Speaker 7: You had a great career. Sorry that injuries limited a
Speaker 7: lot of your work, but I was in my mind
Speaker 7: I was moved on. I said, okay, now, if you
Speaker 7: want to try and a dress the guard spot, we'll
Speaker 7: do that. But Tyler Smith to me was my left
Speaker 7: tackle going forward.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna throw the text out here. Actually it was
Speaker 4: a really interesting text. You guys can also hit us
Speaker 4: on our text line anytime during the show eight one seven,
Speaker 4: two nine zero three two nine eight. This one comes
Speaker 4: from Brian in North Carolina. He said, at this stage
Speaker 4: of his career, why hasn't Tyron Smith been considered as
Speaker 4: a swing tackle? Considering his history with injuries, It would
Speaker 4: seem to extend his career and solve one issue. Tyler
Speaker 4: Smith can move to left tackle, he dog at to
Speaker 4: left guards. What are your thoughts.
Speaker 5: I actually floated that idea a few times last year
Speaker 5: on Talking Cowboys, and I'm right there. I think at
Speaker 5: this point in his career, you're asking a lot of
Speaker 5: Tyron Smith to take on the bulk of the workload
Speaker 5: that comes with being your starting left tackle, and then
Speaker 5: that leads to durability issues once you get to October, November,
Speaker 5: most certainly December. So I think you should shrink his
Speaker 5: workload and you put Tyler Smith because and I'm right
Speaker 5: there with Brian in the aspect of I hadn't mentally
Speaker 5: completely moved on from Tyron being well, from Tyler being
Speaker 5: the possible left guard, whatever the case may be. But
Speaker 5: I do feel in my heart of heart that Tyler
Speaker 5: Smith is your future at left tackle period, regardless of
Speaker 5: him playing left guard this season. Tyler Smith is your
Speaker 5: future at left tackle. So with that being my belief,
Speaker 5: I'm one hundred percent on board with shrinking the workload
Speaker 5: for Tyron Smith, because you know, he is one. He's
Speaker 5: still one of the best left tackles in the game
Speaker 5: when he's on the field, But if you keep exposing
Speaker 5: him to additional snaps, then you're possibly shrinking the amount
Speaker 5: of playing time you're going to get from him anyway,
Speaker 5: which then at the end of the season might not
Speaker 5: be any more reps than he would have gotten at
Speaker 5: swing tackle. But now maybe you've missed him for a
Speaker 5: particular critical game or something like that. So yeah, I
Speaker 5: love that.
Speaker 2: He wasn't particularly great at right tackle. Yeah, that's the
Speaker 2: problem you'll.
Speaker 7: Run into last year when you start to talk about
Speaker 7: the swing tackle position. You know, Tyrann Smith is a
Speaker 7: left tackle, even though he came into his you know,
Speaker 7: into the Dallas Cowboys, he started as a right tackle.
Speaker 7: But the combination of him and Zach Martin together, which
Speaker 7: I thought was going to be outstanding, wasn't that outstanding?
Speaker 7: You know, there was there were problems in the running game,
Speaker 7: there were there were some things with combination blocks that
Speaker 7: they had problems with. You know, he talked to Zach
Speaker 7: Martin about Steele. He'll tell you the first thing he
Speaker 7: loves about Steele. He knows exactly where he's going to be.
Speaker 7: He knows exactly how he's going to fit. You know,
Speaker 7: there was so much of that uncertainty when you watched
Speaker 7: Tyron Smith and Zach Martin played next to each other.
Speaker 7: Now as a swing tackle, yeah, he might have to
Speaker 7: play some right tackle in the game. If you know that,
Speaker 7: you're probably not going to get the best at right tackle,
Speaker 7: but you're going to get an outstanding left tackle. Yeah,
Speaker 7: it's worth it's worth the thought to try and do that.
Speaker 7: But I know in my mind I had moved on.
Speaker 7: I just felt like, hey, this is this is We've
Speaker 7: seen it now. Tyler Smith has proved to me he's
Speaker 7: more than capable of handling the right left tackle spot.
Speaker 7: Let's move on, Let's kind of try and develop some
Speaker 7: others at some other spots.
Speaker 8: I just don't understand how he himself as a human, yes,
Speaker 8: can just keep going. I mean, at some point, your body,
Speaker 8: I'm I'm sure it's gonna hurt every time you wake
Speaker 8: up and get up.
Speaker 6: I mean we see him on game day looking like
Speaker 6: a machine. Well yeah, clearly, but but.
Speaker 8: Just him for his own personal health and what's in
Speaker 8: his rest of his life as a civilian, moving past
Speaker 8: whenever that time comes from football. It's just it's just
Speaker 8: tough on his body. So it's just it amazes me
Speaker 8: because me being a lot more naive to the game,
Speaker 8: when I first started working here and learning all that,
Speaker 8: I was ready to move on from him long time ago.
Speaker 8: Little did I know how great he was when he
Speaker 8: was healthy. And he's been here for like five years,
Speaker 8: seven years since I made those comments initially, So it's impressive.
Speaker 8: But at some point you gotta move on from like
Speaker 8: being always have that thought in the back of your mind,
Speaker 8: in the back of your head, can he get hurt?
Speaker 8: Is he going to be available this week or next week?
Speaker 8: So it's just for the whole coaching staff. But I agree,
Speaker 8: I definitely that idea sounds really good ideally, But then
Speaker 8: I wonder, I mean, I would assume they've thought of that, sure,
Speaker 8: so I would I wonder why it has held them
Speaker 8: to more decisions that they've.
Speaker 7: What's what's really interesting is you're not going to see
Speaker 7: a prettier football player built wise than Tyron Smith.
Speaker 4: He's one of those guys gets off the bus first, right.
Speaker 7: There are guys that are sloppy and you know, don't
Speaker 7: look great and they don't miss a beat.
Speaker 2: And then you have a guy that looks like he
Speaker 2: hung out with the Romans. You know that he was gladiator. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that he was like beating.
Speaker 7: You know, he was in the arena, you know, and
Speaker 7: just mauling people with that body.
Speaker 2: Even the way he walks like he just walked.
Speaker 7: The way he moves, You're thinking, can sloppy guy doesn't
Speaker 7: miss a game and this guy has injury history problems.
Speaker 7: That's the thing that blows scouts away. You could sit
Speaker 7: there like, oh, great body, great physique.
Speaker 2: He's always hurt though, Brian, He's always hurt, you know.
Speaker 2: And now you're going, oh no.
Speaker 7: You're right, availability lack of You can look great, but
Speaker 7: if you're not always available, it doesn't matter how damn
Speaker 7: good you look.
Speaker 5: I think, And to talk to your point Amber about
Speaker 5: why from a Tyron Smith perspective, where is the event
Speaker 5: horizon and him looking in the mirror and saying, you
Speaker 5: know what, I still got a lot left in the tank,
Speaker 5: but I might need to change, I might need to
Speaker 5: be willing to go back up.
Speaker 9: Bro.
Speaker 5: I don't think that's entirely dissimilar from.
Speaker 2: He played really well though, has he the first couple
Speaker 2: he was. I mean, he's kind of turned back the
Speaker 2: clock a little bit.
Speaker 4: But you also, in the back of your mind kept thinking.
Speaker 2: You're ready, You're ready for the other shoot. Yeah, you're mad.
Speaker 2: You have to think like you don't even want to
Speaker 2: talk about it.
Speaker 7: You know, You're like Tyron Smith, it's good, but just
Speaker 7: nod your head like, yeah, you don't even want to
Speaker 7: talk about him because you just wanted to keep going
Speaker 7: to your point.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's That's where I'm at with him.
Speaker 7: I'm like, he actually did turn back the clock playing
Speaker 7: left tackle to the point where I'm like, Okay, I
Speaker 7: can see why he came back. I see why they
Speaker 7: did what they did. But then now this thing hits
Speaker 7: you where now it's been any problems since his days
Speaker 7: at USC, Well draft him when he's like twenty twenty
Speaker 7: one years old, right, it's been a long time. You know,
Speaker 7: we're dealing with that thing again.
Speaker 2: I just think it's mean.
Speaker 5: If Tyron Smith was willing and the coaches were willing
Speaker 5: to put him in a backup capacity, you instantly have
Speaker 5: the best backup tackle in the league instantly, and you're
Speaker 5: also helping his durability. But I think from an athlete's perspective,
Speaker 5: and I'll speak from an athlete's perspective and a competitive mindset,
Speaker 5: it's it's not entirely different from you look at a
Speaker 5: shutdown corner like a Darrell Reeves or Woodson, and at
Speaker 5: a certain point in their career, they really did look
Speaker 5: in the mirror and say, you know what, my body's changed.
Speaker 5: I can't run the same that I was running. I
Speaker 5: can't cut the same that I was cutting. In what
Speaker 5: they do, they drop back to safety and tried their
Speaker 5: hand in safety so you have to be willing to
Speaker 5: look in the mirror and just be honest with yourself.
Speaker 5: We talked about self awareness this week. It's just honesty.
Speaker 5: So can Tyron Smith be still play at high level
Speaker 5: when he's on the field apps of freakolutely? He can,
Speaker 5: but the time has come for maybe him to just
Speaker 5: admit that his body can't take the.
Speaker 2: Workload as of a starter.
Speaker 5: So you can still contribute to this team and help
Speaker 5: this team possibly win the super Bowl, but maybe not
Speaker 5: in the capacity that you will want to. So then
Speaker 5: you got to think about what needs to be done,
Speaker 5: and maybe that's what needs to be done.
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Speaker 4: All right, so here's we're gonna do. I want to
Speaker 4: talk about this Dallas defense versus the New England offense.
Speaker 2: Brian.
Speaker 4: One thing I noticed and looking at this team is
Speaker 4: right now, they are ranked ninth in total offense with
Speaker 4: seven hundred and forty eight yards. It's about two hundred
Speaker 4: and fifty little hundred hundred fifty yards per game. Here's
Speaker 4: the interesting thing. They're only twenty six though in points scored,
Speaker 4: averaging about seventeen points per game. Talk to me about
Speaker 4: this defense, I mean, this offense and why it's having
Speaker 4: problems scoring.
Speaker 7: It is having problems, and a lot of it has
Speaker 7: to do with the offensive line. They have some issues
Speaker 7: up front. But I'll get to that point as we go.
Speaker 7: You know me, I gotta ramble on here. So Bill
Speaker 7: O'Brien's your offensive coordinator. He's the guy used to be
Speaker 7: at the Houston Texans. He was at University Alabama and
Speaker 7: as matter of fact, he was Mac jones coach at Alabama,
Speaker 7: and so they're back together here. There is with this
Speaker 7: offensive group, there's going to be some movement with the
Speaker 7: way they play, but it's not anything that's alarming. We've
Speaker 7: seen those like Arizonas and stuff. All the movement that
Speaker 7: they play with the motions and stuff. It's just they're
Speaker 7: pretty stationary the way they play. The majority of their
Speaker 7: snaps are playing the shotgun rather than under center. The
Speaker 7: line will really struggle to protect this guy. They get
Speaker 7: pressured quite a bit. They break down, They have some problems.
Speaker 7: Their best when they can run the football and try
Speaker 7: and help Mac Jones. Where they run the ball, the
Speaker 7: best is when you watch them is off the left side.
Speaker 7: So that'd be once again the Cowboys, right. You need
Speaker 7: to kind of shore up some of the problems that
Speaker 7: you dealt with in the Arizona game. I mean, they're
Speaker 7: probably looking at that like, Okay, let's run it, Sam Williams,
Speaker 7: Let's run at Armstrong. Let's run who's ever playing right
Speaker 7: in for the Cowboys over there? You know, Let's see
Speaker 7: if their linebackers can flow. Let's see if the safeties
Speaker 7: will take a good angle. So if they're looking at
Speaker 7: the Cowboys, their their strength of their ability to run
Speaker 7: the football would be to your right side.
Speaker 2: That's inside and out.
Speaker 7: They're they're they're a lot better too, in just a
Speaker 7: little bit of study when they when they face teams
Speaker 7: that play that light box. So if you're a six,
Speaker 7: you know, defenders or fewer, that's when they really they
Speaker 7: thrive running the ball, and that's when Ezekiel Elliott is
Speaker 7: actually at his best. But this group has not been
Speaker 7: very good. When you play with seven or eight in
Speaker 7: the box or more, that's been a problem for them
Speaker 7: running the football.
Speaker 2: Uh I mentioned mac Jones.
Speaker 7: I think the growth of mac Jones as a quarterback
Speaker 7: has been slowed by the issues the club's gone through
Speaker 7: with their coordinators. You know, they've tried different coordinators. I
Speaker 7: don't think he's been able to grow and really flourished.
Speaker 7: You know, we'll see what with Bill op Ryan could
Speaker 7: do with him.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 7: He doesn't have the strongest arm and he doesn't have
Speaker 7: the best mobility, but he is capable when it comes
Speaker 7: to navigating the pocket and then order to deliver the ball.
Speaker 7: He's his biggest trade is his toughness because he gets
Speaker 7: hit quite a bit when he goes back to throw
Speaker 7: the football. Uh, he'll deliver the ball in the face
Speaker 7: of pressure. There's snaps where it take. He takes some
Speaker 7: big hits as he's you know, throwing the ball. These
Speaker 7: receivers really struggle to get open. That goes back to
Speaker 7: the biggest problem. While there's not scoring points, he doesn't
Speaker 7: throw to a lot of open receivers, and he doesn't
Speaker 7: throw to a lot of wide open receivers. That's another
Speaker 7: thing that's been an issue for them. He's constantly under pressure.
Speaker 7: He you know, he just doesn't play the game with
Speaker 7: a lot of rhythm. You know, sometimes these quarterbacks get
Speaker 7: back there and it's pass pass pass. You can watch
Speaker 7: two of play in Miami, and it just seems to
Speaker 7: be a rhythm the way that he plays, the way
Speaker 7: the ball's out. You know, there's some continuity to their
Speaker 7: offense and stuff like that. I mentioned there the running backs,
Speaker 7: it's Ezekiel elliet It and then it's also with Stevenson
Speaker 7: are the two primary backs that they play with Zeke.
Speaker 2: We know him.
Speaker 7: He's still gonna run with toughness. He's still gonna run
Speaker 7: with power. He's still but he doesn't have that elusiveness
Speaker 7: that he you know, I mean, he's lost that ability.
Speaker 7: The ball is going to come down hill. He's not
Speaker 7: going to make many miss but you know, his best
Speaker 7: attempts were the ones when they tossed him the ball
Speaker 7: when they said, okay, we're going to get you out
Speaker 7: on the edge and let you try and run down hill.
Speaker 7: You know, the TOAs sweeps and stuff like I said,
Speaker 7: go into the offense's left defense is right, We're some
Speaker 7: good plays for him. He splits time with Stevenson to it.
Speaker 7: He's not These guys aren't the most nifty types of backs,
Speaker 7: but they're really steady in the way that they play.
Speaker 7: They're going to run with toughness, they're going to run
Speaker 7: with determination. The numbers that now he is where Zeke
Speaker 7: might struggle with the stack boxes, Stevenson is better versus
Speaker 7: the stack boxes, so.
Speaker 2: Keep an eye on that.
Speaker 7: He's also really a good receiver catching the ball out
Speaker 7: of the backfield. Quarter back as of ninety point nine
Speaker 7: rating throwing him the football and you can see it
Speaker 7: on tape when it's the swings and screens and.
Speaker 2: Stuff like that.
Speaker 7: And by the way, he's the only running back with
Speaker 7: a rushing touchdown to their credits. So the wide receivers,
Speaker 7: it's a veteran group. Kendrick Born, Juju Smith, Schuster, and
Speaker 7: Devonte Parker. There's nothing really wow about this group. There's
Speaker 7: nothing that you know. It's there's some inconsistency in the
Speaker 7: way they receive. I mentioned they don't create a lot
Speaker 7: of separation. They don't get open a lot. The offense
Speaker 7: makes some kind of stationary target targets. You're going to
Speaker 7: see them run picks, rubs, they're going to run combination
Speaker 7: routes to try and get that separation. But there's been problems.
Speaker 7: When they get the separation, the protection falls apart, and
Speaker 7: now they're in a little bit of some trouble that way.
Speaker 7: So their best most explosive player is a rookie named
Speaker 7: Demario Douglas out of Liberty, and he's the one guy
Speaker 7: that when they want to when they want to play
Speaker 7: like an explode, those that play, he's the guy they
Speaker 7: throw the ball. He's got seven receptions this year form
Speaker 7: are for first downs, so rookie kind of getting involved.
Speaker 2: He's kind of a.
Speaker 7: Speedy, twitchy kind of player with the ball in his hands.
Speaker 7: At tight end, this is the best group that they
Speaker 7: have as far as how they're going to try and
Speaker 7: and get offense. Hunter Henry and Mike Gisiki are the
Speaker 7: two tight ends. They're both super reliable. They both they
Speaker 7: run these routes where they find they do combinations like
Speaker 7: we were talking about, where they they work off each other.
Speaker 7: They run the spot route just easy throw, they run
Speaker 7: the out easy throw, they'll curl back inside easy throw.
Speaker 2: That's kind of how.
Speaker 7: They play with with with Daniel Jones, They're trying to
Speaker 7: make it as easy as possible for him even when
Speaker 7: they're covered. These guys are ultra reliable when it comes
Speaker 7: to their hands and the ability to get in situations
Speaker 7: where they can make plays. When things get a little
Speaker 7: harry in the pocket, that's kind of where.
Speaker 2: The ball is going to go.
Speaker 7: It's going to go to one of those those tight
Speaker 7: end decent blockers. Nothing really great, they're not going to
Speaker 7: blow you away, but this is the most productive group
Speaker 7: that they have on their offense. Now we'll get to
Speaker 7: the offensive line. This is the weakness of their deal
Speaker 7: here right now. They're not a physical run group. They
Speaker 7: struggle with pass protection. They've tried to use draft picks
Speaker 7: in order to kind of supplement their line. But these
Speaker 7: young guys aren't ready to play, and I mean they're
Speaker 7: not ready to play because they're not playing, they're going
Speaker 7: with the group. The majority of their group has been
Speaker 7: made up of trades or free agent signings. The biggest
Speaker 7: struggles this year have been at the tackle spot, where
Speaker 7: they've rotated. Trent Brown, Anderson, and Verderian Lowe are the
Speaker 7: guys that they kind of rotate. Low has been the
Speaker 7: one that struggled the most. He lines up at left
Speaker 7: tackle against the Dolphins. He plays right tackle against the Jets.
Speaker 7: He doesn't have power, he doesn't have strength. He physically
Speaker 7: can't hold up when you hit him. He tends to
Speaker 7: become a one legged football player. He gets noted back
Speaker 7: quite a bit. You'll observe him getting pushed giving ground
Speaker 7: playing on one leg. You have to take advantage of
Speaker 7: him in the game. If he's in that he works
Speaker 7: number fifty nine. They might not play him. If Trent
Speaker 7: Brown's healthy and Anderson are healthy, those could be your
Speaker 7: two starters. But if Low gets in the game, that's
Speaker 7: the guy you need to go after because he can't
Speaker 7: handle it.
Speaker 2: He really just can't.
Speaker 7: And that's been a big, big problem the guard inside.
Speaker 7: Cole Strange was a first round pick for them. He
Speaker 7: could be a little bit of a liability right now.
Speaker 7: Like Low, he really doesn't deal with power.
Speaker 2: All that well.
Speaker 6: You need you need.
Speaker 7: He needs to develop a little bit. He's just a
Speaker 7: young guy, that's the biggest problem. He's a fighter, a battler,
Speaker 7: but he's limited in the way he's blocking right now.
Speaker 7: He's just not a very strong guy, and so what
Speaker 7: happens is he's going to get challenged throughout the game.
Speaker 7: I would not be surprised, like I say, if Low
Speaker 7: is at one of the tackle spots, you work off him.
Speaker 2: But maybe you see Micah play a little bit more.
Speaker 7: Inside and dealing with with Cole Strange the guard.
Speaker 2: He's the left guard. You need to go after him.
Speaker 7: He's been limited a little bit with a knee injury
Speaker 7: this week in practice, so that might be you know,
Speaker 7: he's not getting the reps, he's not getting the work,
Speaker 7: and he might be a little bit compromised as a blocker.
Speaker 2: So we take advantage of this.
Speaker 7: New England offense is on the offensive line, and that's
Speaker 7: one of the reasons why they're struggling. They don't have
Speaker 7: explosive players, so they don't score points. They got steady
Speaker 7: tight end players, they got a quarterback that takes a beating,
Speaker 7: and their offensive line is a little bit of a
Speaker 7: mess right now.
Speaker 4: Sounds like offense is not what they do well.
Speaker 7: Nope, they play really good defense and they're really good
Speaker 7: on special teams. They figure out special teams for you too.
Speaker 4: One of the things I did notice though, is against
Speaker 4: the Jets last week, they rushed for one hundred and
Speaker 4: fifty seven yards. Now, in the two weeks previous to that,
Speaker 4: they only had seventy six rushing yards against Philly eighty
Speaker 4: eight against Miami. What did they do different against the
Speaker 4: Jets or did they do better against the Jets?
Speaker 2: I think you d better for a better rushing day.
Speaker 7: I think that we might be overrating the Jets run
Speaker 7: defense a little bit here, you know, with the way
Speaker 7: we've thought that they played with that wide nine we
Speaker 7: were talking about, people are finding ways to kind of
Speaker 7: gap them little bit and it hit them like I
Speaker 7: said the ball, the ball was the ball was out
Speaker 7: on the edge quite a bit. That's where I noticed,
Speaker 7: like the tos sweeps and the stuff where they were
Speaker 7: trying to get the ball to the outside. And you know,
Speaker 7: but I think the Jets are a little suptible to
Speaker 7: what's going on with their run defense right now. The
Speaker 7: New England did a good job. They stuck with the
Speaker 7: running game too. I think they put they I think
Speaker 7: Bill O'Brien puts this quarterback in some bad situations.
Speaker 2: Now he might they might.
Speaker 7: Try the plan of saying, Okay, Dallas is struggling with
Speaker 7: the run a little bit in the first half. They
Speaker 7: struggle with the run. Let's test them. Let's see if
Speaker 7: they've fixed any kind of issues that they have, because
Speaker 7: if they don't, I could see them continually.
Speaker 2: I didn't see a lot of pin and pull.
Speaker 7: I did see some counter movement and stuff like that,
Speaker 7: but it wasn't something like Arizona where you're just every
Speaker 7: time it's down, down, around, down around, you know.
Speaker 2: You know, I didn't see a lot of that with
Speaker 2: New England. But that's not me.
Speaker 7: That's not to say that they won't try something like that.
Speaker 7: They won't try counters I do think they're going to
Speaker 7: try and make you play in space a little bit
Speaker 7: and see if you're able to. You know, are you
Speaker 7: going to rush up the field? Are you going to
Speaker 7: create gaps? Are you going to you know, not play
Speaker 7: the scheme like it needs to play. Are you gonna
Speaker 7: play like play hero Ball where you're overrunning plays and stuff.
Speaker 2: It'll be a test in that regard, and.
Speaker 4: Probably more than any team in the league. I think
Speaker 4: Bill Belichick is shown over the years he wants a
Speaker 4: team that's extremely versatile, that can do different things every week.
Speaker 4: So just the fact that we haven't seen those penn
Speaker 4: and pulls and those kinds of things that Arizona did
Speaker 4: doesn't mean when you're playing a Bill Belichick ring that
Speaker 4: all of a sudden they see an opportunity and they
Speaker 4: won't exploit it and do some things that maybe they
Speaker 4: haven't done all season, because that's just the way he coaches.
Speaker 4: Offensively and defensively. They try to create, they try to
Speaker 4: take advantage of what you cannot do, and they'll change
Speaker 4: every week to try to do that.
Speaker 7: They morph into different things defensively. I know the one
Speaker 7: thing one of my dear friends is Mike Lombardi who
Speaker 7: works who worked with New England the Patriots, a former
Speaker 7: general manager.
Speaker 2: The one thing Mike.
Speaker 7: Always told me about Bell is though he will save
Speaker 7: something that you haven't seen, he will save something too.
Speaker 7: And the great example is that is in that Super
Speaker 7: Bowl game when they played coverage, you know, on the
Speaker 7: gold line against Seattle, and all of a sudden, it's
Speaker 7: something they hadn't shown. They knew to practice it, but
Speaker 7: they didn't, you know, they didn't show it, and then
Speaker 7: all of a sudden you play it. But he's there's
Speaker 7: something that you know, there's a first half game plan,
Speaker 7: and there's a second half game plan for Belichick, and
Speaker 7: he's going to try and find something that you're not
Speaker 7: very good at and take advantage of that, like the
Speaker 7: But we'll see if the offensive line can execute penn
Speaker 7: and pulls well. That that will be the big test
Speaker 7: for these guys because they may not they might not
Speaker 7: be able to upfront, but if you get them into
Speaker 7: a passing game, that's that's church for them. They that
Speaker 7: that is a struggle for them to have to deal
Speaker 7: with that kind of constant pressure.
Speaker 2: They just don't hold up as a unit very well.
Speaker 5: And I was going to say, what makes their their
Speaker 5: weak spot that much weaker is Cold Strange is dealing
Speaker 5: with a knee injury. He's dealing with the knee injury
Speaker 5: last week. He was limited yesterday in practice. So you
Speaker 5: talk about Cold Strange having issue with strength and keeping
Speaker 5: his feet and keeping his anchor, Well, he's on a
Speaker 5: bad wheel right now. So this is a matchup where
Speaker 5: it's their weakness, their biggest weakness against the Cowboys biggest
Speaker 5: strength their offensive line versus the Cowboys defensive line. And
Speaker 5: then what they'll do is they'll try to use Ramondre
Speaker 5: Stevenson because he's also effective as a pass catcher out
Speaker 5: of the backfield. They'll try to use him to try
Speaker 5: to alleviate some of that pressure keep the defensive line
Speaker 5: playing honest. So linebacker speed Cowboys and the linebackers are
Speaker 5: going to have to make sure they keep Stevenson bottled up.
Speaker 5: Ezekiel Elliott, you know what you get from Ezekiel Elliott.
Speaker 5: He was in this organization. Mike McCarthy coached him. You
Speaker 5: know what you're getting there. He's not the home run
Speaker 5: hitter that he once was. He's the downhill guy. He's
Speaker 5: not going to do too much in space, but keep
Speaker 5: an eye on Stevenson and how they try to use
Speaker 5: him in those bubbles and flats and screens to try
Speaker 5: to help the offensive line.
Speaker 2: But you can't.
Speaker 5: They're not going to screen themselves all the way to
Speaker 5: a win. So you bottle up a couple of those.
Speaker 5: Make the offense play that much more, honestly, make their
Speaker 5: run plays go through the A and B gaps and then.
Speaker 2: Need tee off.
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Speaker 4: Final segment of the Braake Life in SWBC Mortgage Studios
Speaker 4: at the Star. All Right, here's the question I have
Speaker 4: for you, guys. This is a bigger picture question about
Speaker 4: the defense. What we saw last weekend, we don't think
Speaker 4: is typical of what we've seen from this defense in
Speaker 4: a lot of instances over the last couple of years. Really,
Speaker 4: do you think that was a situation where they were
Speaker 4: exposed or do you think it was just one bad game?
Speaker 2: What do you think? Amber?
Speaker 8: I mean, you've had hints of their and we've talked
Speaker 8: to this about this over and over as far as
Speaker 8: like the run defense and the issues that they had.
Speaker 8: That's exactly why they went out and drafted Mossy Smith
Speaker 8: in the first round and why you resigned Jonathan Hankins
Speaker 8: back on the team.
Speaker 6: So they know they're well aware of that.
Speaker 8: I think, yes, they were exposed in Yeah, if we
Speaker 8: do this, just watch this game against the Cardinals.
Speaker 6: If we do this to.
Speaker 8: You, you'll react this way. But at the same time,
Speaker 8: I think that the drive, the passion, the commitment from
Speaker 8: the defensive players. Dan Quinn is there, So it's like,
Speaker 8: I don't expect them to make this a trend. I
Speaker 8: expect them to get better. They got better in the
Speaker 8: second half after halftime. They came back and those yards
Speaker 8: went down tremendously. It went down to like forty forty something,
Speaker 8: so very different than the first half. So at least
Speaker 8: that gives me hope that, Okay, they're still able to
Speaker 8: make changes, adapt and figure out, okay, let's change the
Speaker 8: game plan lest readjust so, I don't think it'll be
Speaker 8: something that now teams are just gonna expose them every week.
Speaker 8: I think they'll come back here, like they've said, reassess
Speaker 8: and rework and according to Micah Parsons, they figure out
Speaker 8: exactly what they need to do according.
Speaker 6: To what he said this week.
Speaker 8: So yes, I don't think the run defense is going
Speaker 8: to be fixed overnight.
Speaker 6: There'll be instances where.
Speaker 8: You get a good running back or a good quarterback
Speaker 8: that can run with the ball, because that's the times
Speaker 8: that they seem to kind of struggle with those mobile quarterbacks,
Speaker 8: and they'll have those games where they do give up yards.
Speaker 8: But I think they'll be able to figure something out
Speaker 8: and adapt and adjust to where now they're not being
Speaker 8: completely killed by that.
Speaker 5: I think they bounced back. I don't think this run
Speaker 5: defense is broken. I've seen them excel in the first
Speaker 5: two weeks, and I think because going into last week's game,
Speaker 5: I thought that they would be emotionally charged after losing
Speaker 5: Treyvon Diggs, but you add Digs to the late week
Speaker 5: injuries to Beadish and Tyron Smith and Zach Martin's now
Speaker 5: playing now, And then we talked about how with seventy
Speaker 5: seven the game started kind of on a weird note.
Speaker 5: It felt like they were emotionally exhausted as opposed to
Speaker 5: being emotionally charged, and Michael Parson spoke to that. Jaron
Speaker 5: Kurr spoke to that and basically said that they were
Speaker 5: disappointed with the effort. And it sounds like, if you
Speaker 5: read between the lines, last week took a lot out
Speaker 5: of them emotionally, so coming into this game having been
Speaker 5: beaten in the fashion that they were beating in Arizona
Speaker 5: because they were bullied in Arizona. But this is a
Speaker 5: locker room that takes pride in being the bully, right.
Speaker 5: I think they look at the Patriots team as they're
Speaker 5: a very real opportunity to remind everyone that hey we
Speaker 5: can stop the run, Hey we can get after this quarterback.
Speaker 5: We can still take the ball away without Treyvon Diggs
Speaker 5: on the field. So I get the sense that they're
Speaker 5: gonna you know, there's a great likelihood that they bounce
Speaker 5: back in the run defense. Give the Cardinals credit, they
Speaker 5: put some good stuff on film as far as any
Speaker 5: opposition that's looking to attack the Dallas Cowboys run defense.
Speaker 5: But if you go back and look at that film,
Speaker 5: what you see is a lessened effort. What you see
Speaker 5: is miscues and you know, lack of communication. You talked
Speaker 5: about Michael Parsons looking back at the Green Dot Lve
Speaker 5: and being like, where am I supposed to go?
Speaker 2: Where am I here?
Speaker 5: I don't think you see those things coming into this
Speaker 5: Patriots game.
Speaker 2: They got exposed.
Speaker 7: They got exposed, and you got exposed to the point
Speaker 7: that they don't play very good run defense on the edge.
Speaker 2: And that's a problem. You know. That to me, that's
Speaker 2: you know, when when you when things when.
Speaker 7: You watch the Cowboys and there's misdirection and there's they
Speaker 7: play with your eye level and they send you one
Speaker 7: way and bring the ball back the other and they
Speaker 7: you know, to me, running the running the ball inside
Speaker 7: on this group is not a good way to travel
Speaker 7: if you're an offense. But if you're going to be
Speaker 7: willing to get up the field and take yourself out
Speaker 7: of position and that you're able to like get guys
Speaker 7: up on the second level, uh, because of you know,
Speaker 7: some of the things that the Cardinals were.
Speaker 2: Able to do.
Speaker 7: That The problem to me is, I worry. I worry
Speaker 7: about the linebacker. We talked about the linebacker group. We
Speaker 7: talked about Clark, we talked about Van der Esch, you know,
Speaker 7: we talked about Wilson coming back. You know, we talked
Speaker 7: about Curse. You know, these guys are you know, these
Speaker 7: these guys have to play better. And if I'm a
Speaker 7: football team that's playing the Cowboys, and I'm going to
Speaker 7: find a way to see if i can run the
Speaker 7: ball in the edges with you, I'm not messing with
Speaker 7: that inside stuff. I can't run the ball there. I'm
Speaker 7: not going to make a living doing that. But I'm
Speaker 7: gonna infect your eye level. I'm gonna move lineman, and
Speaker 7: I'm gonna see if you could play the ball on
Speaker 7: the edge, and if you can then I will find
Speaker 7: something else to do. I'll probably lose the game. But
Speaker 7: you've shown me that I have an opportunity to have
Speaker 7: success doing it, and so that's that's what I'm going
Speaker 7: to take advantage of.
Speaker 4: But hasn't didn't the fact that they were able to
Speaker 4: make the stops in the second half, as you mentioned, Danber,
Speaker 4: doesn't that suggest that they're capable of doing it. They
Speaker 4: have the players to do it, they have the right
Speaker 4: scheme to do it. It's just whether they're committed to
Speaker 4: doing it, which would make it feel less like they
Speaker 4: were exposed and more like they had a bad first
Speaker 4: half they cinched it all up and by the second
Speaker 4: half they way they.
Speaker 7: Tried if they should Arizona, if Arizona would have come
Speaker 7: back and ran the ball off the edge, I think
Speaker 7: the more majority of they were trying to get the
Speaker 7: ball with Connor. They were trying to kind of find
Speaker 7: some ways to work inside because they hadn't had some
Speaker 7: success to it that. So I think the way that
Speaker 7: the game flowed that was more inside run.
Speaker 4: So you think it was less about the Cowboys adjustments.
Speaker 4: And if I.
Speaker 7: Was if I was Arizona, I would have I would
Speaker 7: have I would have kept read optioning you until you
Speaker 7: figured something out. I think there were some times where
Speaker 7: that when you know that when Dobbs he handed it inside,
Speaker 7: where if he'd just taken it, maybe it's a.
Speaker 2: Little bit better game.
Speaker 7: I'm not saying it would have broke a run like
Speaker 7: he broke the forty four yard run, but it might
Speaker 7: have been a six seven yard run instead of gaining
Speaker 7: one or two handing the ball inside. I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 7: going to I'm going to challenge you. If I'm an offense,
Speaker 7: I'm going to challenge the Cowboys defense, you know, to
Speaker 7: play with better discipline, you know, to play with better
Speaker 7: eye level, to play not to get fool. I'm gonna
Speaker 7: play with you, to play your gaps. You know, there's
Speaker 7: there's there's a lot of really good things about this defense,
Speaker 7: how aggressive it is. But when you start to overrun
Speaker 7: plays and you take yourself out of opportunities to make
Speaker 7: plays because your angles and things like that, I'm going
Speaker 7: to see if I'm going to see if you've really fixed.
Speaker 2: That one thing I said.
Speaker 5: There was something that Michael Parson said yesterday that yesterday
Speaker 5: that really jumped out at me. Go back to the
Speaker 5: Josh Dobbs play option and Josh goes up to the
Speaker 5: left side for forty four yards. Well, Michael Parson has
Speaker 5: made a note to bring that out in the interview yesterday,
Speaker 5: and he said on that particular play, he was basing
Speaker 5: what he thought Dobbs would do on the propensity of
Speaker 5: what NFL quarterbacks typically do and the ball, so he
Speaker 5: was playing what he thought Dobbs would do as opposed
Speaker 5: to playing what Dobbs was actually doing. So he said
Speaker 5: he owned that, and he said going forward, I just
Speaker 5: need to play football, play what's right in front of
Speaker 5: me instead of playing what I think is going down.
Speaker 4: And the interesting part is they did try the read
Speaker 4: option multiple times later in the game. The difference was
Speaker 4: and I remember one specifically I'm thinking of right now.
Speaker 4: Micah did exactly what he was supposed to do. He
Speaker 4: read it perfectly. He got he was the open guy,
Speaker 4: and he just stopped. He waited to see where are
Speaker 4: we going to go? And then as he saw to
Speaker 4: play go job Dobbs read that. Dob said, I won't
Speaker 4: have the free release to the outside. He hands the
Speaker 4: ball off the rest of the defense then makes the tackle,
Speaker 4: and I think that's the point that makes me think
Speaker 4: that again, I think they got taken advantage of in
Speaker 4: this last game because they didn't come in and whether
Speaker 4: you want to call it, they weren't prepared, or they
Speaker 4: didn't play with a certain level of intensity they may
Speaker 4: played with before, or maybe they were overly aggressive because
Speaker 4: they were trying to go get the quarterback versus really
Speaker 4: playing the run. Whatever it was in the first half,
Speaker 4: I think a lot of that was the fact. I
Speaker 4: mean a lot of that ended up resulting in a
Speaker 4: half way. They just couldn't stop the run. And I
Speaker 4: think that's the part where I look at it and
Speaker 4: I want to see what happens this week. Now it'll
Speaker 4: be different because right they run more of a traditional
Speaker 4: run right at you kind of running style, and that
Speaker 4: the Cowboys have done really good at so far.
Speaker 2: Absolutely stop.
Speaker 4: So we may not actually see what you want.
Speaker 2: To see until you get to a better game. You
Speaker 2: don't have better team.
Speaker 8: Too long for a big challenge.
Speaker 6: Here we go after this game. I mean, you got
Speaker 6: one coming up.
Speaker 5: And then Eagles are not far behind.
Speaker 4: We'll find out, all right, Appreciate you guys, Johnes. We'll
Speaker 4: be back next tomorrow. Actually, we'll be back tomorrow and
Speaker 4: we'll wrap this thing up. Let you know what we
Speaker 4: think is gonna happen this weekend Cowboys versus Patriots. Till then,
Speaker 4: for Patrick Walker, Brian brought us Amber Garcia. I'm Derek
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