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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Therapy for Black Girls Podcast, a weekly

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Speaker 1: a month, and one of them days is already on

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Speaker 1: track to be one of the best comedies of the year. Today,

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Speaker 1: I'm joined by some members of my team, podcast producers

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Speaker 1: Tyree Rush and Elise Ellis, and social media manager Alyssa

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Speaker 1: Green to unpack some of the best moments in this

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Speaker 1: instant cult classic. We also chatted about the implications that

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Speaker 1: the success of this film means for the industry at large,

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Speaker 1: especially as it pertains to black women comedies. So sit

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Speaker 1: back and get ready for our first team chat of

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Speaker 1: excited for us to be back with another team chat.

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Speaker 1: We have some new members of the team to join us.

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Speaker 1: These are always my favorite conversations, So let us get

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Speaker 1: started with introductions and we will start with you. Tyree.

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Speaker 2: Am Tyree Rush.

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Speaker 3: I'm the newest producer for Therapy for Black Girls and

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Speaker 3: also TBGU I am an Atlanta native and a New

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Speaker 4: Hi everyone, I am Alissa the social media manager for

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Speaker 4: Therapy for Black Girls. I am a Chicago native but

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Speaker 5: Hey everyone, you've heard my voice before.

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Speaker 6: I'm the veteran, but I'm released the senior producer of

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Speaker 6: the podcast. I am here based in Los Angeles, originally

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Speaker 1: Perfect, So we are a symbol today to chat about

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Speaker 1: one of them days. So this is the newest Esray production,

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Speaker 1: about it. So what were your thoughts kind of heading

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Speaker 1: into the movie, because I feel like we got some

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Speaker 1: trailers and you kind of saw it as like this

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Speaker 1: buddy comedy, But did you have any initial thoughts even

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Speaker 3: One of the big things for me, coming somewhat from

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Speaker 3: the film space, is that it takes a long time

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Speaker 3: I thought that it was based on this tweet that

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Speaker 3: when I saw the trailer, I was looking at it

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Speaker 1: I had completely forgotten about that, so that is not

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Speaker 4: Yeah, before heading into it, because I probably watched it

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Speaker 7: But everyone kept saying it was going.

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Speaker 4: To be like the Friday series, right, like this is

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Speaker 7: Likes to call it, fine black cinema. You'll get your

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Speaker 1: So I have to confess I am not a buddy

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Speaker 1: I feel like I may bee sa super Bad, but

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Speaker 1: There been lots of comparisons to Friday, like seeing it

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Speaker 3: I definitely feel like it was an accurate description, and

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Speaker 3: Friday was competent, but it definitely was that feeling around it,

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Speaker 2: So I thought it was the appropriate description.

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Speaker 4: I think that the description was associated with it so that.

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Speaker 7: People would get a reference so they would go watch

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Speaker 4: I think that it stands on its own two legs

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Speaker 4: It's like, I've never been one of those, but I've

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Speaker 4: And so getting to see these characters explore their options

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Speaker 7: That helps to see on screen.

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Speaker 1: So what were your initial thoughts of the characters? So

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Speaker 1: we see Keiki Palmer's character first, she plays Drew, who

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Speaker 3: Despite not resonate with everyone, but I was literally watching

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Speaker 3: it and thinking, Kiki is playing a Queen Latifa character.

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Speaker 3: This is how Queen Latifah would show up in any

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Speaker 3: I picked that up the first five minutes of the

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Speaker 3: movie because Keiky Palmer also occupies this interest in space

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Speaker 3: now with young black woman in Hollywood creating different sort

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Speaker 3: also put out a Beauty Shop, which is like a

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's funny because when I watched the film, I did

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Speaker 1: Yes, And I was like, this kind of it feels

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Speaker 6: I thought the supporting characters were extremely well written, and

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Speaker 6: I'm like, this is what we know Kat Williams for.

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Speaker 5: To live in the hood. And then with Patrick Cage Maniac, his.

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Speaker 6: Character was like obviously supposed to be like sexy and intimidating,

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Speaker 6: in those moments. And so what I appreciated was how

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Speaker 6: the supporting characters that I think I'm gonna go back

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Speaker 7: I feel like that was like such deep character the

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Speaker 1: I can't even think about, what is the last black

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Speaker 7: The first one that comes to me is A Girls Trip?

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Speaker 1: So listen, how did you feel about the movie ending?

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Speaker 4: I liked that they were able to strengthen their friendship

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Speaker 5: The episode of Insecure where her and Lawrence like reconcile?

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Speaker 6: and I really did appreciate how it was woven in

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Speaker 6: instead of some like huge conclusion at the end that's like,

441
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Speaker 6: oh my god, I got to think about what the

442
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 6: movie taught me.

443
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 5: It's like, okay, I got it throughout, So I really enjoyed.

444
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Speaker 6: That, and then just seeing people win at the same time,

445
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 6: Like it wasn't a heavy movie. There were heavy moments,

446
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 6: but I was rooting for the characters throughout, and so

447
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 6: to have that conclusion was also really I like that

448
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Speaker 6: a lot.

449
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Speaker 4: I will say in real life, I probably wouldn't my

450
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 4: friendship wouldn't have made it. I mean, yes, it is

451
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 4: a comedy, but there were parts that I was concerned

452
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 4: about right where I chopped it up to like that's

453
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,199
Speaker 4: the storyline, right, but just Sizza not thinking she had

454
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 4: done anything wrong. And it's kind of like you kind

455
00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,240
Speaker 4: of destroyed a career opportunity for when you're like close

456
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,639
Speaker 4: friends that they had really been working towards. You also

457
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 4: kind of put them in danger multiple times, like the

458
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,119
Speaker 4: poor choice in men that you had right, because this

459
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 4: man wasn't just didn't just take their money. He's now

460
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 4: helping this woman who's trying to get back at them

461
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,199
Speaker 4: track them down, and that's dangerous because I've seen that

462
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 4: happen before. People get set up right and they're led

463
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 4: to a place. So it's just like there were problematic parts.

464
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's a storyline just like these characters,

465
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 4: but I will say that guy who the gentleman, who's

466
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 4: the boyfriend, I remember seeing him from TikTok like popping

467
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,159
Speaker 4: off and like and I'm so glad he's on the

468
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 4: big screen. But he does these characters so well. But

469
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 4: I was just like man, his character is a little

470
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:39,439
Speaker 4: little messy.

471
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Speaker 6: I think to piggyback off of that, I'm actually glad

472
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 6: they kind of had a shouting match scene because there

473
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 6: was clearly passive aggressiveness building up over the course of

474
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 6: the movie and they needed that release, and I think

475
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Speaker 6: I really appreciate that.

476
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Speaker 5: And at that.

477
00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 6: Point it felt like a good I'm gonna say conclusion,

478
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 6: but you then kind of knew, like, Okay, things are

479
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,159
Speaker 6: going to get lighter from here. It was a perfect climax.

480
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 6: But I think this is a mental health podcast. I

481
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 6: think a lot of the times when we think about friendships,

482
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 6: we don't talk about moments where someone may get cursed

483
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 6: out or you have to say a really hard thing

484
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 6: to someone or something that's unfavorable, probably not nice, but

485
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 6: you've been thinking about it and you're that frustrated and

486
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,239
Speaker 6: it comes out. And I'm glad they showed that they

487
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,199
Speaker 6: weren't physically fighting, but it was like, I am this

488
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 6: frustrated with you.

489
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Speaker 5: I'm just gonna say the thing, And it.

490
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Speaker 6: Felt like through the rest of the movie it was

491
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 6: such a relief for them.

492
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 5: It's like, Okay, I finally said it.

493
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Speaker 6: Even though there was after that there was tension, but

494
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 6: they put that aside, like, Okay, we have to do

495
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:41,880
Speaker 6: this thing, we have to do this little art show,

496
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 6: we have to make this money. I really appreciated kind

497
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 6: of seeing their relationship Eban flow throughout and not having

498
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 6: it all be perfect or all be toxic. I liked

499
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 6: how it felt very representative of having a friend who

500
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 6: you're just fed up with.

501
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that definitely was where my psychology ain't turned on, Like, oh,

502
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 1: how can we have avoided this shouting match? Right like?

503
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 1: Because I think things tend to boil over in that

504
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,640
Speaker 1: way when you have not been saying a thing right

505
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: And so, how many times has she been frustrated with,

506
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: you know, her poor choice in a partner, And how

507
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: many times has sister's character been frustrated that Kiki's character

508
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 1: does not believe in herself more right? Like, So, there

509
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 1: are clearly things that need to be expressed to one

510
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 1: another that you are not saying that then boil over

511
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: into this large argument. So it definitely felt like there

512
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 1: was some sisterhood heels moments. I definitely was thinking like, oh,

513
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: how can we have said this to each other in

514
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: a kinder, more loving fashion. But the part that I

515
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,880
Speaker 1: really loved about their relationship, and you know, I talk

516
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: about this in Sisterhood heels is that it kind of

517
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,959
Speaker 1: felt to me that there was this idea of, like,

518
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 1: are we as girlfriends? Can we not also choose to

519
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: be each other's soulmates? Right? And I felt like that

520
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: they played with that a lot, that platonic love is

521
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 1: something to be celebrated, and like, how can we cherish

522
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 1: one another and really see each other as life partners

523
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: in some way? And so I really thought that that

524
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 1: angle kind of came out as well. What were your

525
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 1: thoughts on the endings, Harry.

526
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Speaker 3: Well, to your point about sisterhood and like platonic soulmates,

527
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:13,239
Speaker 3: I would say that we have to think of a

528
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 3: really big shout out to the writer, Sarta Singleton, because

529
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 3: even though it's her first film that she's written, she

530
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 3: was a writer on Insecure and she was a producer

531
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Speaker 3: on Rap Shit, so she's really kind of built a

532
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 3: career exploring that very theme.

533
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Speaker 2: The ending I really loved. Well.

534
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Speaker 3: I saw it like very close to the premiere, so

535
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,439
Speaker 3: you know, the La wild fires were happening, so I

536
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 3: was like, ah, I wish it was a slightly different,

537
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 3: but I really enjoyed it because I feel like a

538
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 3: lot of what Keiki's character Drew was dealing with is

539
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 3: something that a lot of just black people in general

540
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 3: deal with, the idea that in order to like advance

541
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 3: our lives or elevate, we have to escape our community.

542
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 3: But the real solution came from her relying on it,

543
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 3: relying on her friendships, relying on the people that she

544
00:26:58,560 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 3: lived in an apartment with.

545
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 2: Sure, bringing in mad.

546
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 3: Apatos characters, access, but everything that she needed to succeed

547
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 3: was already there. And I thought that was like a

548
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 3: thing about me is that if you throw a rock

549
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 3: into the ocean, I will give it meeting. But I

550
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 3: thought that was the big message in this movie, and

551
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 3: I was like really like looking around seeing the homegirls,

552
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 3: seeing the people in the theater like resonate and have

553
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 3: the aha moment.

554
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Speaker 2: So that was great for me.

555
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

556
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: I love that. I also thought the community angle was

557
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,719
Speaker 1: really beautiful that everybody came together and like worked for

558
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: a common goal, So I thought that that was really sweet.

559
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: Any other thoughts about any of the plot points or

560
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: things that you feel like you would have liked to

561
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: maybe see different in the film.

562
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Speaker 3: Who Big Shout out to Aziza Scott, who plays Miss Bernice.

563
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 3: One of the things that I will say it didn't

564
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 3: bother me, just like as I watched it, I didn't

565
00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 3: necessarily feel like Keiki and Sissa gave LA native, like

566
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 3: they didn't feel like they were from La proper. But

567
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 3: Bernice was from seventy third to Normby, I know her,

568
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 3: like she felt like an LA person all the way through.

569
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Speaker 2: So I really liked that acting.

570
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 3: And then also I think there's this interesting tradition, or

571
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 3: maybe it's probably not a tradition, it's probably just a

572
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 3: misogyny at work.

573
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 2: But Lawrence Lamont, this is his directorial debut.

574
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 3: But when I think about the last Buddy comedy that

575
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 3: we got for black women, that was Will Packer, one

576
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 3: of my favorite movies. Who can play that game? I

577
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 3: feel like it was also a black male director. I'm

578
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 3: slipping on his name. And then like even Waiting for

579
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 3: Exhil was Forest Whitaker. So I really enjoy especially as

580
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 3: a black man that works on a black women's mental

581
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 3: health podcast, like there's a responsibility to like carefully telling

582
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Speaker 3: these stories and like protecting people involved.

583
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Speaker 2: And I feel like he did a really good job with.

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Speaker 7: That speaking of Black Men.

585
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Speaker 4: I appreciated how there was the redirect in the movie,

586
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 4: how they kind of led us to a bias, right,

587
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 4: like Maniac is she's like, Oh, I think you might

588
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 4: be in a gang, and then the axe came out

589
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 4: in the car and she's starting to freak out, right,

590
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 4: and then at the end it's like he's a firefighter.

591
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 2: Right.

592
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 4: It was a reminder that, like, yes, they set us up,

593
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 4: but it's a good reminder that even though you're in

594
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 4: the community, you can also check yourself. So I appreciated

595
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 4: just all the little different things that they threw into

596
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 4: this movie.

597
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 5: It's so funny.

598
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 6: My friend she said something similar just about how like

599
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 6: you can be of community with someone and still stereotype them,

600
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 6: and I was like, I agree. But his name was maniac,

601
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 6: And I was like, I feel like she had just

602
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 6: cause to be concerned if I already know you had

603
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 6: to pass and your nickname is maniac.

604
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 5: And then I'm in your car and I see an ax.

605
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 6: I think there's a fair person to be like, oh, dug,

606
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 6: he's a firefighter. But then there's also a person who's like,

607
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 6: I don't know what's going on here. But I really

608
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 6: thought that was a cool. I guess the best way

609
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 6: to put it is almost like a double entendra plot

610
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 6: point there.

611
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 5: But another thing that.

612
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 6: Stood out to me in the film and Doctor Joy,

613
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 6: you touched on the community being a character. I thought

614
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 6: that was really special and I thought it was really

615
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 6: important because I think so many times when we talk

616
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 6: about like the Hood or black communities, it's the plight

617
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 6: of what's going on and not how people find levity

618
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 6: or just exist in that plight. So it wasn't like

619
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Speaker 6: a war with the tenants versus the landlord, like it

620
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 6: was in a comedic way, and it's like, we don't

621
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 6: get this treatment around here, like kids go get some cookies,

622
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 6: and so like those little moments where it's like this

623
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 6: could actually be like a bad situation and they could

624
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 6: have had tension here, but instead of having tension, they

625
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 6: added the levity. And I think that's what really made

626
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 6: the community as a whole its own character in the movie,

627
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 6: which is something I really appreciated just watching other films

628
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 6: where there's no moments for levity and I don't even

629
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 6: want to say what's tragic, but what one could view

630
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 6: as unfavorable. So I think that was what the film

631
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 6: did really well. And it's something that Insecure also did

632
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 6: really well, and so I appreciate as Ray not like,

633
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 6: oh my gosh, there's a silver lining of living in

634
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 6: the hood, but it's like, no, this is just people's life,

635
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 6: like you don't have to view it, and those two

636
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 6: extremes on the topic of people's lives.

637
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 4: I loved how I don't remember her name in the film,

638
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 4: but Eva from Abbot Elementary was in there, and just

639
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 4: the whole I loved the in card right, it was

640
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 4: like went to law school, you know, and then ended

641
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 4: up back like all these different kind of schools and

642
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 4: then ended up back stripping. It was really funny and

643
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 4: I when I was watching it, I thought, like with my.

644
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 7: Social media brain, I was just like, if we did

645
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 7: those like in cards.

646
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 4: For like everybody on the team, like what would they're

647
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 4: happily a record a happy ending backplate b It was

648
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 4: a fun little exercise because some people on the team

649
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 4: definitely stuck out of my.

650
00:31:47,960 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: Head more from our conversation after the break. So I

651
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: had a cute moment after watching the film. So I

652
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: walked out of the theater and then I saw an

653
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: Aka at the door, right, and I'm an Aka y'all

654
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: have heard me talk about this on the podcast. And

655
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: then I turned the corner and there was a whole

656
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: lobby full of akas.

657
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Speaker 5: And I was like, oh, what's going on here?

658
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: Like, hey, Sorrows And so then I started talking to

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Speaker 1: them and it was like their chapter Gallentine's Day Outing

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Speaker 1: and so it was like Sorrows of All Ages And

661
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Speaker 1: so one of the things that I wanted to chat

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Speaker 1: with you all about because I started thinking, like, how

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Speaker 1: are the older sorrows going to feel about this? Because

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Speaker 1: I don't feel like it is a particularly raunchy kind

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Speaker 1: of movement, but it isn't something that I would think

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Speaker 1: I would go see with like my older aunts or

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Speaker 1: like my grandmother. So how do you think about the

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Speaker 1: universality of this film, Like do you think it is

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Speaker 1: something that both younger and older generations might appreciate?

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Speaker 6: I think, circling back to the point I was making

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Speaker 6: earlier about the levity and moments that may seem like

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Speaker 6: unfavorable or trodden or whatever, I do think that is

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Speaker 6: something that I don't want to say older generations struggle.

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Speaker 5: With, But I could see people.

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Speaker 6: Not liking the film through the lens of like respectability politics,

676
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Speaker 6: and I have seen comments around that, and so for me,

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Speaker 6: that's where I would be kind of hesitant to show

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Speaker 6: to someone who was of a different generation because some

679
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Speaker 6: of the things that's like, oh, this is funny, they

680
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Speaker 6: may be like, this.

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Speaker 5: Is portraying black people in a bad light.

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Speaker 6: Which I also think is are things that people commented

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Speaker 6: on about Insecure as well. So that's really the only

684
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Speaker 6: qualm I think there could be our tension between me

685
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Speaker 6: as like a twenty six year old versus someone maybe

686
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Speaker 6: who's like even older than my mom, like in their

687
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Speaker 6: late sixties or something like that. But overall, I think

688
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Speaker 6: it's one of those films that if you're younger, it's

689
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Speaker 6: like a fun introduction into the who's of like youth

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Speaker 6: culture today.

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Speaker 5: So what's about the actual film?

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Speaker 6: But like they may know Kicky Palmer from Aquila and

693
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Speaker 6: the b and it's like, no, she has grown into

694
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Speaker 6: like the one of the top comedic talents of her time.

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Speaker 3: Well you know, and you do have Vanessa Belle Callaway

696
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Speaker 3: in the movie as well, who's like, also, she's on

697
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Speaker 3: the motherboard of Black Hollywood.

698
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Speaker 1: Yes she is.

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Speaker 3: But Doctor Joy's funny because el Ray's grandmother is an

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Speaker 3: Aka so I do wonder if she saw it or

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Speaker 3: if she put the apb out like, hey, this is what.

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Speaker 1: It's very possible because they were they definitely chose this

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Speaker 1: because it was a black director in black actresses, right,

704
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Speaker 1: and so they chose this as their thing to support,

705
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Speaker 1: so it would be interesting, and she put the call out.

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Speaker 4: Was the feedback that you got from people that they

707
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Speaker 4: enjoyed it, Because honestly, when I was home, my aunt,

708
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Speaker 4: who's in her late sixties, was begging me to go

709
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Speaker 4: watch it with her, and I.

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Speaker 7: Kept curving her because I thought I was gonna watch

711
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Speaker 7: it with a lease, and.

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Speaker 5: So I was like, I can't, I can't.

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Speaker 7: I'm gonna go to a coworker.

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Speaker 4: So she got together some people and things like that.

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Speaker 4: But I think also too, once it comes out on

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Speaker 4: TV or whatever stream platform it comes on, people are

717
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Speaker 4: gonna watch it, people are gonna talk about it, and

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Speaker 4: you know, like maybe by like Christmas time or Thanksgiving,

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Speaker 4: it'd be something funny to put on with the family,

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Speaker 4: you know, because the thing is they may not relate

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Speaker 4: to it, but I'm sure there's a character that they're like, oh,

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Speaker 4: I could see you know, someone in my family doing that.

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Speaker 4: If it's not me like I might have a niece

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Speaker 4: like that or a nephew like that or something like that.

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Speaker 4: I think it'll be something at least to talk about

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Speaker 4: around the dinner table.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. So y'all mentioned we have definitely seen Isa

728
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Speaker 1: and Kiki in Sisa doing all the press. It feels

729
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Speaker 1: like they've had lots of hits, a lot in places

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Speaker 1: that typically are known for telling black stories. What have

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Speaker 1: y'all thought about like the press run leading up to

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Speaker 1: the film and even post release.

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Speaker 6: I think we see these press runs where the behind

734
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Speaker 6: the scenes talent, so whether it's the writers, the producers,

735
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Speaker 6: they're obviously excited about the film, and there's this rapport

736
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Speaker 6: between the cast and the little inside jokes says a

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Speaker 6: Kiki Palmer and Lisa Ray took that and did it

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Speaker 6: times ten. They are always keyking, they're always laughing. I

739
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Speaker 6: like want the behind the scenes footage like bring back DVDs,

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Speaker 6: bring back the extra the uncut version, and I think

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Speaker 6: they have showcased like it was fun to work on

742
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Speaker 6: this film. Obviously it's a comedy. But that's what I've

743
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Speaker 6: enjoyed about these press tour moments is just seeing their

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Speaker 6: trio and how much joy they bring to each other,

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Speaker 6: and it's just funny how they can be so candid

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Speaker 6: with each other and still be themselves as like these

747
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Speaker 6: great professionals that they are. And so I've just enjoyed

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Speaker 6: the it as a window into like their personality and

749
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Speaker 6: who they really are, because honestly, I don't think they

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Speaker 6: talk much about the film in these press tours.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I've seen them talk about the film

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Speaker 1: at all.

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Speaker 4: Honestly, I personally prefer this press run to the Wicked

754
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Speaker 4: one because I felt like some press runs can be

755
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Speaker 4: like oversaturating, right, you're just like, Okay, I'm so done,

756
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Speaker 4: and I think it too is like the length of it.

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Speaker 4: But their rapport just felt more like, at least said real,

758
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Speaker 4: they were actually friends, like they actually had this chemistry.

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Speaker 4: Not saying that Cynthia and Ariana don't, but it was

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Speaker 4: just there are these weird moments that they pulled out

761
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Speaker 4: of the press tour versus like genuinely funny moments. But

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Speaker 4: that also could be due to the differentiation of the

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Speaker 4: different types of films. But I was wondering, for y'all,

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Speaker 4: are there two women you'd like to see in another

765
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Speaker 4: film like this. After seeing it, I was just like,

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Speaker 4: I would like to sit through something else like this,

767
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Speaker 4: because Girls Triple was a four person dynamic, right, you know,

768
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Speaker 4: this was a two person dynamic.

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Speaker 7: What does a trio look like?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 4: When you have two friends that are doing something and

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Speaker 4: the third one gets left out. I just like, there's

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Speaker 4: so many combinations of this that could happen.

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Speaker 2: I definitely have two in mind.

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Speaker 3: And what I loved about this film is that it

776
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Speaker 3: was like I feel like when you see the Homegirl film,

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Speaker 3: they always kind of felt distant from me, Like this

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Speaker 3: was an age range that I'm actively a part of.

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Speaker 3: So two that I want to see is Storm Read

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Speaker 3: and Marseille Martin and just kind of like that young

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Speaker 3: girl coming up Paul and Janelle James who's on Apple Elementary.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I feel like I was thinking, I want to say,

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Speaker 1: I was thinking Regina Hall and really anybody, like really

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Speaker 1: just her and anybody would be hilarious. But Janelle James

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Speaker 1: is a good match.

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Speaker 6: I would love to see Iowa Debris and Coco Jones

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Speaker 6: as like best friends or like college roommates freshman year

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Speaker 6: who have like clearly different personalities but like meet up

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Speaker 6: for something and whatever.

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Speaker 5: Happens.

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Speaker 6: I think Coco Jones is a comedian, like to me,

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Speaker 6: like she's an amazing singer, she's a good actress, but

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Speaker 6: where she shines is comedy, Like she's a naturally funny person.

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Speaker 6: And I envision like there's a cameo from like Victoria

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Speaker 6: Monett or someone like that. But I think the two

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Speaker 6: of them would be really good together.

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Speaker 1: Oh so that was my next question at least, like

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Speaker 1: what other backgrounds could we see something like this working in?

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Speaker 1: So you're talking about like a college campus maybe, or

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Speaker 1: like lightly postgrid because I feel like we get a

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Speaker 1: lot of like La New York like apartment building or

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Speaker 1: something based right like residence base. What other backdrops do

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Speaker 1: you think could add an interesting layer to a comedy

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Speaker 1: like this.

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Speaker 4: Sports if they're teammates like like at a college, or

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Speaker 4: teammates and like WNBA, you know, or or best friends

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Speaker 4: but they're on different teams, things like that, that really

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Speaker 4: adds it. I am right, because then it's like where

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Speaker 4: does your loyalty lie with your teammates or with your

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Speaker 4: friend or is there a way to kind of like

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Speaker 4: be there for both.

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Speaker 5: I think borrowing from the white lotus format in like

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Speaker 5: a resort, Yes, a resort, a bachelorette trip.

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Speaker 6: I do want to see a younger black or even

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Speaker 6: like multi racial but like black led version of Bridesmaids.

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Speaker 6: I think that would be an incredible Yeah, that would

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Speaker 6: be an incredible movie. I also think like a retail store,

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Speaker 6: like high end retail, like the people that work there,

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Speaker 6: or even like a spa with the employees, like a

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Speaker 6: comedy based around them and their interactions with the customers.

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Speaker 6: I think that would be really good too, especially because

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Speaker 6: the opportunity for celebrity cameos.

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Speaker 3: As someone who begrudgingly watches own reality TV, I think

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Speaker 3: that the reason why like Love and Marriage Huntsville works

825
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Speaker 3: is because who the hell is in Huntsville. I don't

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Speaker 3: think about it as being like glamorous, but they're like

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Speaker 3: these real stories there. And as somebody who watches like

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Speaker 3: TV and film, I'm so tired of watching black people

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Speaker 3: in Los Angeles, New York and Atlanta, like I'm interested

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Speaker 3: in what happens in Milwaukee.

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Speaker 6: I think DC has missed opportunity too, But like not

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Speaker 6: and as a dcname, I'm saying this like not, oh

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Speaker 6: I work for the government or I like work in

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Speaker 6: corporate just thing that's like I don't even want to

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Speaker 6: say exactly, or like I work at a nonprofit or

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Speaker 6: doing social media for somewhere, like something that's a little

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Speaker 6: more random. That does allow the city to be the backdrop.

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Speaker 6: Because I will say that's what made Insecure really well

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Speaker 6: was that nobody was like an actor or a singer,

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Speaker 6: and I think that's what kind of let the personality

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Speaker 6: shine because it deviated from the stereotypes of that city.

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Speaker 4: I will plug a show I've been talking about since

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Speaker 4: it came out, and I know y'all know I have

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Speaker 4: heard me talk about it, dr from Detroit.

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Speaker 5: Detroit is a great lokay and.

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Speaker 4: Like it was, that show is hilarious and I feel

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Speaker 4: like it. You know, if you don't make if you

848
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Speaker 4: don't do season two, just make it into a mini movie,

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Speaker 4: you know.

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Speaker 5: But that's I.

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Speaker 4: Think that's the city too, that would really like the

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Speaker 4: city can just shine and something like that.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, So somebody needs to cut some checks because

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Speaker 1: you see, the team has some great ideas. So if

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Speaker 1: you're looking for ideas, definitely hit us up. So I

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Speaker 1: have appreciated all of the thoughts that y'all have shared

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Speaker 1: such a great way. I think to kind of of

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Speaker 1: round out the movie because I think this just adds

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Speaker 1: another layer to the conversations. So let us know where

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Speaker 1: we can find you online in case people want to

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Speaker 1: chime in and say they love some of your ideas

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Speaker 1: or they have opposing ideas what you have shared, So listen,

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Speaker 1: where can the people find you online?

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Speaker 4: I'm on all social media platforms because I am the

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Speaker 4: social media manager.

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Speaker 7: But you can find me at Alyssa Explorers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, on all the places, Perfect and Elise.

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Speaker 6: You can find me on Instagram at e l l

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Speaker 6: I C E l l I S.

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Speaker 3: And know what about you, Tyrey, I am on all

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Speaker 3: of the social media's as well and my handle list

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Speaker 3: Tyrrelvin t y R E l v I N Perfect.

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Speaker 1: Thank y'all so much for breaking down the movie with me.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Always a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad the team was able to join me

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Speaker 1: visit the show notes at Therapy for Blackgirls dot com

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Speaker 1: slash one of them Days. If you're interested in finding

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Speaker 1: Therapy for Blackgirls dot com slash directory and don't forget

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Speaker 1: to share this episode with two of your girls right now.

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Speaker 1: If you're interested in suggesting other movies that we should

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Speaker 1: a voice note at memo dot fm slash Therapy for

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Speaker 1: Black Girls and we just might highlight it on the podcast.

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Speaker 1: This episode was produced by Elise Ellis and Tyree Rush.

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Speaker 1: Editing was done by Dennison Bradford. Thank y'all so much

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Speaker 1: for joining me for this conversation. We'll be back next

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Speaker 1: Wednesday with your regular episode. Until then, take good care.

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