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Speaker 1: In Southern Africa, a nation may have found a new

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Speaker 1: solution to one of its long standing issues. Zimbabwe is

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Speaker 1: replacing its battered dollar with a new unit. It's called

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Speaker 1: the Zig. The sweeping move is Zimbabwe's six attempts to

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Speaker 1: have a functional currency since two thousand and eight. So

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Speaker 1: can this new currency really make a difference in a

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Speaker 2: With the new currency being launched, the expectation by the

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Speaker 1: This week, I discussed with my colleague Ray and Lovu

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Speaker 1: unexpected effect on the stock market, and I ask him

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Speaker 1: if the Zig is really the solution to the country's

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Speaker 1: year's long currency crisis. I'm Jennifer Zaba Saja. This is

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Speaker 1: the Next Africa Podcast, bringing you one story each week

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Speaker 1: from the continent with the context only Bloomberg can provide. Hey, Ray,

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Speaker 1: so you're in Harare, the capital of Zimbabwe, and we

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Speaker 1: want to get your thoughts on the Zig, the country's

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Speaker 1: But before we do that, I want to first ask

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Speaker 1: you about the previous iterations of the currencies that was

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Speaker 1: being used in the country, and specifically the Zimbabwean dollar.

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Speaker 1: It was one of the worst performing currencies in the

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Speaker 1: world until it was scrapped. So can you just take

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Speaker 1: us back to the beginning of the story.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Jen. So everything pretty much begins during the

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Speaker 2: Ipainflation rages too, recorded levels of over fifty billion ascent.

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Speaker 2: The Zimbabwean dollar then is abandoned in favor of the

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Speaker 2: US dollar. That's when the US dollar is introduced in

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Speaker 2: February two thousand and nine. For ten years, the US

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Speaker 2: dollar is used to be the transacting currency and then

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Speaker 2: it's abandoned by again. This time the Years dollar is

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Speaker 2: abandoned in favor of the zimbabwe dollar. That doesn't last

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Speaker 2: for long. By the time of COVID authorities, they ever

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Speaker 2: rethink of the entire situation and they allow for a

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Speaker 2: multi currency system. So that's basically now you know, the

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Speaker 1: And people were using the dollar for just about everything

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Speaker 2: Yeah, dollars are useful, you're basic every day sort of

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Speaker 1: So that was the status quo for a while, but

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Speaker 2: Things really take a nasty turn for lack of a

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Speaker 2: better term, at the start of the year, there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of demand for foreign currency. It's usually a period

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Speaker 2: And then this creates such a huge demand and the

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Speaker 2: plunging and you know, gen the zim dollar basically until

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Speaker 2: I think it had lost almost about eighty percent of

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Speaker 1: What exactly the differences between the ZIG, the Zimbabwe Gold

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Speaker 2: The main difference between the ZIG Zimbabwe Gold and other

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Speaker 2: an interview with US earlier this month, he indicated the following.

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Speaker 3: You know, most African countries and countries in major markets

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Speaker 2: Well not.

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Speaker 3: Everyone's trying to figure out how to stabilize their domestic

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Speaker 2: The main thing, it's got gold bagged, it's got reserves.

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Speaker 2: The previous versions of the currency were not backed by anything.

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Speaker 2: that is eluded Zimbabwe for many years and the chaos

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Speaker 1: So, y, how has the ZIG performed thus far? I mean,

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Speaker 2: So the currency has gained just over two percent against

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Speaker 1: And most recently the currency is surprisingly having some unintended

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so the stock exchange is probably one very good

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Speaker 2: So now because of the new currency, which is stable

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Speaker 1: I feel like this is not something that the Central

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Speaker 2: I think to an extent they expected this, perhaps not

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Speaker 1: As far as businesses go, the introduction of a new currency,

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Speaker 2: So with businesses, what the that to do is pretty

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, all right, let's talk about the Central Bank,

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Speaker 1: Ray because the central Bank governor has really been outspoken

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Speaker 1: in terms of his support for the ZIG. Can you

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Speaker 2: So he's been very polish promoting the new currency. Since

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Speaker 2: what he sees happening. So the governor has got his

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Speaker 1: And what does he achieve with the introduction of this currency.

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, if things go well, he can tell

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Speaker 1: we're maybe missing here the governor.

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Speaker 2: We had to sit down interview with him recently and

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Speaker 2: that's one of the first things that we posed to

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Speaker 2: he's sticking to the mandate of the central Bank, which

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Speaker 1: And that would require a lot of things to be

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Speaker 2: So the authorities themselves, they are saying one of the

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Speaker 2: I think they need to do more if that demand

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Speaker 2: also say that he expects the ZEK to strengthen even

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Speaker 1: And Ray, as we mentioned you're in Harara. I mean,

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Speaker 1: what's been the reaction on the streets. Considering these are

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Speaker 2: The selling point about being gold backed really means nothing

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Speaker 2: they've lost money before. So the feeling is here we

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Speaker 2: the central bank has to win over the confidence of citizens.

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Speaker 1: And finally, Ray, we're still talking about a country that

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Speaker 1: has inflation that is north of fifty percent. There's poverty,

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Speaker 1: there's also unemployment. There are a number of economic issues

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Speaker 2: With the new currency being launched, the expectation by the

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Speaker 2: In fact, the Governor told us that he sees inflation

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Speaker 2: the expectation is to bring it down to single digits

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Speaker 2: the introduction of the Zeke the Zimbabwe Gold.

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Speaker 1: Ray thanks again so much for your time, and as

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Speaker 1: Ray said, it may be too early to tell whether

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Speaker 1: the Zimbabwe goal will actually be deemed a success for

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Speaker 1: the country. Zimbabwe has been relying on the US dollars

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Speaker 1: since two thousand and nine, back to the time of hyperinflation,

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Speaker 1: and as mentioned, it now accounts for eighty percent of

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Speaker 1: all transactions in the economy, so key to adoption and

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Speaker 1: as the Deputy President says, eventually dedollarization may be the

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Speaker 1: zig being more widely accepted for your basic needs, so

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Speaker 1: that Zimbabweans can actually feel the benefit of a currency.

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