1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: Hello, Avenger listeners, It's Steve Fishman and I'm really glad 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: you've tuned in. I hope you love this show as 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: much as we do. A quick word on an upcoming 4 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: bonus episode. We're doing a bonus with Miriam, the real Miriam. 5 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: We'll be asking her questions, your questions and getting answers. 6 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: She'll update us on what's going on in her world 7 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: and a lot has Please email your questions or thoughts 8 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 1: or comments too. Info at Orbitmedia dot fm. Oh And 9 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: Fisher Stevens can answer your questions too. He's our co 10 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,639 Speaker 1: founder and resident Oscar winner. He's an actor you saw 11 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 1: him in Succession and director of actors like al Pacino 12 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: and Justin Timberlake. For Avenger, he directed Alexis Bledel, who 13 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: voices Miriam. If we're lucky, Alexis who was the star 14 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: of Gilmore Girls and Handmaid's Tale and is the daughter 15 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:01,639 Speaker 1: of an Argentine. We'll chip in answers to so let 16 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: us know your thoughts and questions, hopes and prayers. Info 17 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:13,479 Speaker 1: at Orbitmedia dot fm. Thanks. In today's episode, a Miracle, 18 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 1: imagine that you're in a cargo plane. You're naked and 19 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: chained to a seat. You're drowsy for medication. You hear 20 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 1: a rear door open, you feel a sudden wind, and 21 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: you know what's in store. You're about to be tossed 22 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: out of a plane into the ocean when, though you 23 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: don't know it, a phone rings in the cockpit. The 24 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: caller wants to talk about your destiny. A quick word 25 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: about subscriptions. If you love ads, listen on. If you're 26 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: not so keen on ads, sign up for True Crime 27 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: Clubhouse on Apple Podcasts. That's our subscription channel. You'll get 28 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: no ads, and also you can binge the entire Avengers series. 29 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: It's just two ninety nine a month. 30 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 2: Thanks. 31 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 3: Before we begin, please note that for this story we 32 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 3: interviewed Medium and everyone else for dozens of hours in Spanish. 33 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 3: We hired actors to voice their words in English. It's 34 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 3: nineteen seventy seven, the year that Medium Lewin is kidnapped 35 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 3: and imprisoned. Someone else is in a cell too, in 36 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 3: a different part of Buenos Aires. Adolfo Peres Esquiel a sculptor, painter, 37 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 3: a well known writer and political activist in Argentina. Very 38 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:47,679 Speaker 3: few people dared to speak against the military, but Adolfo did. 39 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 3: His criticism had reached other countries. He was an international figure. 40 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 3: How did the junta react? He was disappeared. But for 41 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 3: a regime increasingly conscious of its global imag disappearing a 42 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 3: famous activist is a delicate matter. At dawn one morning, 43 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 3: a guard wakes up, a chains him and tells him 44 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 3: he's being transferred. That's Adolfo in a TV interview talking 45 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 3: about what happened. He knew that being transferred meant he 46 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 3: be put on a plane, a death flight. Adolfo is 47 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 3: taken to an airstrip and loaded onto a small military Planeacium. 48 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 3: They chained his legs to a seat near the cargo 49 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 3: door in the back. He looks out the windows and 50 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 3: notices they're flying over water in. 51 00:03:54,280 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 4: Circles Jella the y. 52 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 3: He sees this dark mass, the riot and the lights 53 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 3: off the Uruguayan coast. He asked the soldiers what they 54 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 3: were going to do with him. No one responds by 55 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 3: a cal comiosa manipulata. Adolfo sees an official holding a 56 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 3: box that usually stored tranquilizers. He thinks of his wife, 57 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 3: his kids and praise Ilarisa Givens. Then he says one 58 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 3: of the pilots gets a message there's new orders. The 59 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 3: plane turns around. According to Adolfo, it was pressured from 60 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 3: the Kennedys in the US that explained why he survived 61 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:00,159 Speaker 3: that flight. The Junta, no doubt hoped that he had 62 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 3: learned his lesson from his near death experience. He didn't. 63 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 3: Once back in the world, he doubles down on his 64 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 3: criticism of the Junta. Three decades later, he will come 65 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 3: forward to help Medium and Giancarlo bring the pilots of 66 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 3: those flights to justice. 67 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 4: When we approached him, he didn't think twice. He joined 68 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 4: the case. 69 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 3: From Orbit Media. I'm Andres caaba Scheedo. This is Avenger 70 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 3: the story of Medium Lewin Episode six, The Pilots. It's 71 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 3: twenty ten and by now Medium in Jiancadlo's investigation has 72 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 3: come a long way. 73 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 4: To be honest, When I joined Giancarlo, I thought it 74 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 4: was all going to be a waste of time. I 75 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 4: had no faith whatsoever. Seriously, I never thought we would 76 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 4: get to where we are now. 77 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 3: Not only have they identified the planes used to carry 78 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 3: out the death flights, they had found one that was 79 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 3: still flying, a plane with flight logs that dated back 80 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 3: to the time of the dictatorship logs with the names 81 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 3: of the pilots, and then they managed to air an 82 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 3: expose a on national TV. They were excited, even though 83 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 3: no one else seemed to care. 84 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 4: The lack of attention from other news outlets was disheartening, 85 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 4: but the TV report was never our endgame. When we 86 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,679 Speaker 4: were deciding how to show the flight logs on TV, 87 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 4: we debated whether to blur out the pilot's names or not. 88 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 4: My colleagues didn't want to imply their responsibility during the 89 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 4: death flights on the spot. I agreed, but for different reasons. 90 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 3: On the TV report, Medium had blurred out the names 91 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 3: of the pilots. She sensed that revealing them at the 92 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 3: wrong time could ruin her chance of bringing them to 93 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 3: just this. 94 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 4: I wanted those names to remain secret until we had 95 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 4: a chance of filing a formal judicial claim. If we 96 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 4: had aired the names and those pilots or their friends 97 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 4: saw it, they would have a chance of fleeing the country. 98 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 4: We were getting ready to take what we had gathered 99 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 4: to the courts, but we still needed the right person 100 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 4: to be the face of this case. I couldn't do it. 101 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 4: I was already a witness in other trials, including my 102 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 4: own kidnapping. We needed someone else. 103 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 3: They needed someone fearless. 104 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 5: Enrique volunteered drive Away. 105 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 3: Enrique Pinnedo, the actor in Mogul and former airline pilot 106 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 3: Jan Carlo admired that larger than life character who always 107 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 3: saw himself on a stage. Some saw him as arrogant. 108 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 3: He's perfect. 109 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 6: He had the expertise and we knew he wouldn't be 110 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 6: afraid to be at the forefront of all of this. 111 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 3: But we needed a second person, and Riquae Pinnedo was 112 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 3: an expert pilot and also bold and maybe outlandish. They 113 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 3: needed someone serious, someone with gravitas, someone who could speak 114 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 3: from experience. Endrique starts floating Adolfo perees Esquiel. After Adolfo's 115 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 3: release thirty years earlier, his story gained international attention. It 116 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 3: was incredible, moving, horrifying. He survived a death flight and 117 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 3: brought back a first hand account. The world couldn't ignore 118 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 3: the evil the military junta did. Adolfo could not be ignored, 119 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 3: especially after the news came out of the award Brasivan 120 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 3: Mi profunda gra yel saludo los mil dees de pas 121 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:46,959 Speaker 3: ivim Garcia in nineteen eighty in the middle of the dictatorship, 122 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 3: Adolfo won the Nobel Peace Prize. It made headlines all 123 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 3: over the world, an Argentine human rights activist, winning over 124 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 3: candidates like Pope John Paul the Second and US President 125 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 3: Jimmy Carter. Tina's government ignored the news. Local reporters cover it, 126 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 3: but superficially, never mentioning that Alulfo won the prize because 127 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 3: of his anti junta activism. The junta had a firm 128 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 3: grip on most of the press, but still Alolfo's popularity 129 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 3: continues to grow. By twenty ten, Alolfo is a national hero, 130 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 3: so for Endrique it was obvious he was the person 131 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 3: they needed. 132 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 6: I had worked with Adolpho before, I knew that having 133 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 6: a Nobel Prize winner would be powerful. I called him 134 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 6: and explained the case to him, and he said yes. 135 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 3: The first step is to go to the federal Prosecutor's 136 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 3: office and make a formal complaint against the pilots, handing 137 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 3: over the flight lugs in all of the evidence they've gathered. 138 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 3: A judge then as signs of prosecutor to look into 139 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 3: the evidence and conduct a thorough investigation, and eventually decides 140 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 3: if there's enough evidence for the case. To go to trial. 141 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 3: Medium and Giancarlo are engineering what once seemed impossible. They're 142 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,599 Speaker 3: putting the death flights on the national spotlight, making them unignorable. 143 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 3: Official impunity would no longer be an option. 144 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 4: So there they were, Adolfo Perez, Esquioel and Enrique Pinero 145 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 4: going together to ask a judge to investigate the lugs 146 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 4: we had found, to see if the planes and their 147 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 4: pilots participated in the death flights. Enrique is there as 148 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 4: a flight expert and Alotfo as someone who actually survived 149 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 4: the death flight. They were a powerful duo. The courts 150 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 4: had to act. 151 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 3: In nineteen seventy nine, three years into the dictatorship, the 152 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 3: junta has disappeared thousands of people. Medium is still being 153 00:10:55,960 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 3: held captive. The military leaders, meanwhile, are running a public 154 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 3: relations offensive. It's aimed at countering the Inner American Commission 155 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 3: for Human Rights. They're coming to Argentina in response to 156 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 3: allegations of crimes against humanity. The junta works with person Marstellar, 157 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 3: the New York PR firm, which has an idea print 158 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty thousand stickers with a slogan that 159 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 3: plays with the words human rights. Derichos Umanos, which the 160 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 3: junta is accused of violating. The sticker's background is the 161 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 3: blue and white Argentine flag over it in black letters, 162 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 3: it reads quote dos Argentinos, some of Derichos Eumanos Argentines 163 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 3: are righteous and human. They plaster the stickers all over 164 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 3: one osietis. Less visible are the shifts within the military 165 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:58,959 Speaker 3: junta itself. By now, Navy Admiral Emilio Marsea, who helped 166 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 3: plot the coup that to the dictatorship, has stepped down 167 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 3: as the head of the Navy and the top authority 168 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 3: at Esma. He has bigger dreams to become president. The 169 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 3: junta will remain in power for several more years, but 170 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 3: Masia is eager to build a foundation for a future campaign, 171 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 3: and so he hatches a plan. He will have reformed 172 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 3: prisoners like twenty one year old Medium help him fulfill 173 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 3: his dream. But the only way to harness the talents 174 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 3: of people like Medium is to let those reformed prisoners 175 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 3: live outside of Esma. 176 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 4: He saw us, the people working in the press office 177 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 4: he had built, as his workers. He started trying to 178 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 4: figure out ways to let some of us live and 179 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 4: work outside of Esma. They told us we were being released. 180 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 3: The challenge for Masida is how to let his workers 181 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 3: live and work outside while keeping them under his control. 182 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:05,319 Speaker 4: Yeah, Massa had recently left aesthma, but it wasn't as 183 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 4: if his power suddenly vanished. He was a strong man 184 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 4: in Argentina, and he still had loyalists inside and outside 185 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 4: the Navy. Even though he was no longer a part of, say, 186 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 4: the Navy's formal structure, he could still do whatever he wanted. 187 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 3: For most of the time she had been in captivity. 188 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:29,959 Speaker 3: Approaching two years, Medium's parents hadn't known her whereabouts. Early 189 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 3: in her captivity, she was allowed to phone them, but 190 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 3: forced to lie and tell them she was with a 191 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 3: fellow activists underground. Then, almost a year after her kidnapping, Medium, 192 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 3: as a good prisoner, a seemingly reformed prisoner, was given 193 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 3: permission to tell her parents the truth over the phone. 194 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 4: When I told my mom I was in prison, the 195 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 4: first thing she said was thank God, because she thought 196 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 4: I was better off there than on the streets. She 197 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 4: felt I was at least protected. She had no idea. 198 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 4: I tried to calm my parents down, tell them I 199 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 4: was okay, and before saying bye to them, I'd assure 200 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 4: them that one day they would see me again. I 201 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 4: just couldn't tell them when it would actually happen. Even 202 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 4: when my dad encouraged me to learn about anarchism and 203 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 4: leftist ideology, he never imagined it would go beyond the 204 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 4: intellectual As soon as I formed my first anarchist group 205 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 4: back in high school, he was worried sick and started 206 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 4: barring me from activism. 207 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 3: And by the time she disappeared, they knew what the 208 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 3: junta was capable of. Her dad knew people who had 209 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 3: been disappeared. Medium hadn't told her parents anything about being 210 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 3: tortured or about her suspicions that people were being tossed 211 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 3: out of planes, so her parents were grateful in a 212 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 3: way to whatever forces had kept their daughter alive all 213 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 3: this time, to whoever was looking after her while in prison. 214 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 3: One day, Medium is allowed to see her parents for 215 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 3: the first time since their kidnapping. She's escorted by an 216 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 3: armed Navy officer in civilian clothes. 217 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 4: My mother opened the door and she hugged me and 218 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 4: started crying. The situation was a little uncomfortable because the 219 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 4: armed officer was there the whole time. While my parents 220 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 4: and I sat around the table, having tea and pastries. 221 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 4: It was horrible. They asked me all sorts of questions 222 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 4: in front of him. Are you okay? Are they treating 223 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 4: you well? What could I reply in that scenario? Yes, Mom, 224 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 4: they treat me okay. I'm okay. Don't worry. I mean, 225 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 4: the last thing I wanted was to upset my parents 226 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 4: even more. I couldn't tell them the truth. 227 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 3: Then something crazy happens. One day, while Medium is still 228 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 3: in captivity, Marceda's right hand man, Jrgueduardo Costa, calls her parents. 229 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 3: He invites them to dinner. They meet at a fancy steakhouse. 230 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 3: Her parents chose Medium would be there too. A Costa 231 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 3: also known as Aldigree the Tiger. He's notorious and terrifies Medium. 232 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 4: He was a complete psychopath. Often he would tell us 233 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 4: that every night he had a little chat with a 234 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 4: little Jesus who sat on his left shoulder and told 235 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 4: him which of us prisoners would go upstairs. Now we 236 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 4: knew he was alluding to the death flights. 237 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 3: This guy now wants to meet Medium's parents to tell 238 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 3: them the truth about having kidnapped their daughter, to talk 239 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 3: about the conditions of her release. 240 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 4: It took them by surprise. But they were willing to 241 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 4: meet him. They didn't know I was living in a 242 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 4: concentration camp and people were being killed. 243 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 3: Medium was wearing a blouse with a blazer and a 244 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 3: bell jacket she had borrowed from fellow prisoners. A guard 245 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 3: waited outside the restaurant for her. 246 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 4: When I got there, Acosta hadn't arrived yet. My parents 247 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 4: were already there. They were nervous because they knew he 248 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 4: was some sort of big boss. 249 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 3: Medium's parents apparently saw it as a celebratory dinner. They 250 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 3: show up to the restaurant with a gift for Acosta, 251 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 3: a nice bottle of scotch. She was regal. Medium can't 252 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 3: believe how surreal it is. 253 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,919 Speaker 4: I had never told my parents about the horrors I 254 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 4: had lived through, about the torture, So there I am 255 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 4: watching them thanking my captor. Imagine they thought he had 256 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 4: saved their daughter's life. 257 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 3: When Acosta arrives, Medium notices her parents a bit tense, 258 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:09,479 Speaker 3: with fake smiles on their faces. They wanted a Coosta 259 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 3: to know that they would make sure their daughter didn't 260 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 3: return to political activism. Acosta orders himself a thick, juicy 261 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 3: steak in a bottle of wine. He did most of 262 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 3: the talking that night. 263 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 4: Agosta tells my parents that I had been reformed, that 264 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 4: I was very intelligent, that I had a bright future, 265 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 4: and that now I was ready to be reintegrated into society. 266 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 4: Then he tells my parents he needs them to rent 267 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 4: me a specific apartment to keep me safe, that I 268 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 4: was in danger of being targeted, being seen as a 269 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 4: trader for working with the military. It was a huge 270 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 4: financial commitment for my parents, but they wanted to see 271 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 4: me so badly that they agreed to rent me the apartment. 272 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 3: At last, Medium is released from prison from esthma, but 273 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 3: they're not really letting her go. 274 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 4: They wanted us to think they released us because we 275 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 4: were finally reformed, but in reality, we were stuck working. 276 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 4: They forced me to work in different places. Some days 277 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 4: I was assigned to the Ministry of Welfare. Other days 278 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 4: I was in Admiral Mascera's office to work on a 279 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 4: new publication he created. 280 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 3: In the months that follow Medium keeps a low profile 281 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 3: to avoid upsetting her captors, but she does manage to 282 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 3: meet up with fellow activists at times, even though it 283 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 3: was extremely risky. 284 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 4: We met in secret. It was scary because they could 285 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 4: be watching us but we needed to feel like we 286 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 4: were doing normal things, like other normal young people. Sometimes 287 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 4: we'd meet at one of our houses, we'd go out 288 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 4: to the movies or to eat pizza. Only we understood 289 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 4: one another. We had lived through similar horrors. 290 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 3: And on one occasion there were consequences. 291 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 4: I had met with a comrade who had also survived 292 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 4: and got in permission to leave the country. It was 293 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 4: forbidden to meet other prisoners, but somehow got to Acosta 294 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 4: that we had met that night, so I was told 295 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 4: he wanted to see me. 296 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 3: She was taken back to Esma. 297 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:40,199 Speaker 4: He kept me waiting for three hours. I thought he 298 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:41,199 Speaker 4: was going to kill me. 299 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 3: Instead, a Costa arrived with a little velvet box. In 300 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 3: it was a silver bracelet. He told her he chose 301 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 3: it especially for her. 302 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 4: I think what he wanted to convey was I have 303 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 4: the power to kill you right here, right now, or 304 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 4: I could save you if I trust you. I was 305 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 4: in shock. I had to wear that bracelet everywhere. 306 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 3: Medium by now knows how to play her role. She 307 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 3: thinks a Costa for his thoughtfulness. She's learned to control 308 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 3: her emotions in front of officials, and Medium continues to 309 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 3: go to those meetings she grows close to a prisoner 310 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 3: she had met inside Esthma, who, like her, is on 311 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 3: this work release program. 312 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 4: Carlos. He was a kind, warm, genuine person. That night 313 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 4: I first arrived at the clandestine Center, he had brought 314 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 4: me some ice cream, told me to stay calm. He 315 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 4: was in the maintenance group inside Esthma, but his real 316 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 4: value was that he had experience in graphic design. He 317 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 4: knew how to use the printing press, so now and 318 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 4: then they forced him to make false ideas for the 319 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 4: intelligence agents. Carlos and I had lived through a lot. 320 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 4: They had captured him the same year as me, also 321 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 4: for being an activist opposing the dictatorship. He actually tried 322 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 4: to kiss me inside the clandestine center once we had chemistry, 323 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,880 Speaker 4: but I stopped him. I knew that prisoners were sexually 324 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 4: abused there. I was repulsed by any idea of romance 325 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 4: inside prison. Other fellow prisoners developed relationships there, but for me, 326 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 4: it just felt wrong. But once we were outside those walls, 327 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 4: Carlos and I would meet up as much as we could, 328 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 4: and soon after that I was pregnant. 329 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,400 Speaker 3: This wasn't the same exuberant love she had once had 330 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 3: with one her activist comrade and secret husband, but she 331 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 3: decided to have the baby first. 332 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 4: I wasn't in love, but I felt that I could 333 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 4: trust Carlos. He was a good man. I knew he 334 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 4: was going to be a good father. Then I fell 335 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 4: in love with him. 336 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,719 Speaker 3: The pregnancy was unexpected, but at least it allowed her 337 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,399 Speaker 3: to work at just one place. 338 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 4: They let me choose what type of forced labor I preferred. 339 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 4: I chose the Ministry of Welfare because it was the 340 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 4: farthest from Masea in terms of location, though we were 341 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 4: still working for Masea himself. But if I failed to 342 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 4: arrive home on time, they'd knock on my apartment door 343 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 4: and ask me what was wrong. They reminded me that 344 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 4: my family was also being watched. Not obeying would put 345 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 4: their lives in danger. 346 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 3: And every once in a while, as part of her surveillance, 347 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 3: there were surprise visits. 348 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 4: One day as Tis shows up at my door. 349 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 3: Alfredo Astis a naval officer in the Junta. Medium knew 350 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 3: him from captivity. He was always around. He worked under 351 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 3: the supervision Veltira Costa, the guy who took Medium and 352 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 3: her parents to that fancy dinner. One of Astis's jobs 353 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 3: was to infiltrate a human rights group. He gathered information 354 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,959 Speaker 3: on activities and whereabouts. He helped set up a raid. 355 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 3: The activists were kidnapped and taken to prison. 356 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,679 Speaker 4: It was very easy for him to do that because 357 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 4: Astise had a face that looked like an angel's. His 358 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 4: peers back at ZMA actually called him a lang Hill Rubio, 359 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 4: the blonde angel. 360 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 3: That day, Astis knocks on Medium's doore. 361 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,199 Speaker 4: He takes me to his car and drives us to 362 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 4: this bar and tells me he's leaving the country. He's 363 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 4: off to help South Africa's government and that if I 364 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 4: needed anything, I could reach out to him through his parents. 365 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 4: He then took a napkin and scribbled down their phone 366 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 4: number save that napkin. 367 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 3: The tortures seem to believe that they're the protectors of 368 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 3: people like Medium and are appreciated for it. Astes's openness 369 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 3: to share his parents' names, their phone numbers, his assumption 370 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 3: that Medium would want to stay in touch with him. 371 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 3: It's a big mistake, an amateurish mistake made by a 372 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 3: respected commander who was traveling to South Africa to help 373 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,880 Speaker 3: that government eliminate resistance to apartheid. 374 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 4: They had so much power that in their minds they 375 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:36,479 Speaker 4: were convinced that we were reformed, that we were on 376 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 4: their side now as allies not enemies. 377 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 3: That Napkin will later become an important piece of evidence 378 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 3: in the case linking asties to the junta's atrocities. 379 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,120 Speaker 4: A year after Adolfo and Enrique present their evidence, their 380 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 4: formal complaint to a judge. Things feel like they're moving 381 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 4: in slow motion. 382 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:08,880 Speaker 3: There's no action, but evidence is accumulating. By twenty eleven, 383 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 3: more and more cases against former Junta leaders emerge. A 384 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 3: judge decides to include the case against the Pilots. The 385 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 3: accusations Alolfo and Enrique had made based on medium and 386 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 3: gian Carlo's investigation to the biggest trial in Argentina's history. 387 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 3: The outside world starts paying attention, especially in Italy. Gian 388 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 3: Carlos homeland. 389 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 4: In Italy, one newspaper devoted five pages to the court 390 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 4: proceedings and our findings. Dey cited proudly that an Italian 391 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 4: photographer had been part of the investigation. 392 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 6: Gian Carlos a good Snigoa the chest of the de Dicartio, 393 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 6: Pimeno and Argentina. 394 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 4: This coincides with gen Carlo moving back to Rome. 395 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 3: In Argentina, there's zero press about the investigation. 396 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 4: The media was still sleeping on the story. 397 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 3: But Medium is determined more than ever to see justice done, 398 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 3: so she turns her energy to the judicial fight. Giancarlo, though, 399 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 3: has moved on. 400 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 4: Giancarlo's passion for covering what was happening in the present 401 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:31,439 Speaker 4: began to fade. He's more focused on photographing the past, 402 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 4: not what's still unfolding. Once he fulfilled his obsession of 403 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 4: finding the planes, a new one kicked in, shadowing the 404 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 4: forensic team who are trying to identify bodies remains that 405 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 4: were being found in unmarked graves. 406 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 3: Meanwhile, Medium keeps working at Canal Trece. She's got other assignments, 407 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 3: but she won't let the investigation into the death Lights drop. 408 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 3: She tries to follow up on her own reporting, and 409 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 3: there's a break in the story. It's due to a 410 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 3: simple but radical request. This request came from the desk 411 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 3: of a prosecutor. It was straightforward, really, He just asked 412 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 3: for what he wanted. He made a formal request to 413 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 3: the entire military. They must surrender all the logs for 414 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 3: all the planes that had flown during the junta years, 415 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,880 Speaker 3: All the planes that could get rid of their cargo 416 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 3: mid flight. 417 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 4: It was brilliant, and because I was one of the 418 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 4: few reporters working on the case, he asked me to 419 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 4: come to his office and tells me that every single 420 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 4: division of the military had responded positively to their request 421 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 4: except the Navy, the ones in charge of ESMA. They 422 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 4: said they have the right to destroy these types of documents. 423 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 5: After three years, the. 424 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 3: Navy still had many pro Hunta loyals in its ranks. 425 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 3: They were eager to destroy documents that might reveal their 426 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 3: illegal operations. These included, of course, all their flight lugs 427 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 3: from the years when they were throwing people to their deaths. 428 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 4: It was a blow. The only thing I could do 429 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 4: was just confront the admiral in charge for a TV 430 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 4: report and have him on record explaining why they had 431 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 4: destroyed these documents. And we did just that. He just 432 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 4: gave us platitudes about bureaucracy. It felt like a dead end, 433 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 4: So what followed was quite unexpected. 434 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 3: The office of the judge leading the proceedings suddenly receives 435 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 3: two thousand, seven hundred and fifty eight flight lugs from 436 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 3: nineteen seventy six. In nineteen seventy seven, they're handed over 437 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 3: by the Argentine Naval Prefecture. 438 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 4: And this was a full one to eighty from zero 439 00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 4: lugs to a potential treasure. 440 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 3: The prefecture, a separate entity from the navy, had undergone 441 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 3: a complete change. The people who took over came from 442 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 3: the civil service. Unlike their navy counterparts, they were determined 443 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 3: to preserve the documents. They knew their historical value and 444 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 3: how they could help future investigations. Within those documents are 445 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 3: the thousands of logs for most of the planes that 446 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 3: were used, including the sky Van that was in Florida, 447 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 3: the one medium and Giancarlo found these logs. 448 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 4: Were even more detailed than the technical logs we had 449 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 4: found in Florida. This was incredible, a one and a 450 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 4: million chance. 451 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 3: The prosecutor now assigns a special government unit to investigate 452 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 3: crimes against humanity, and then includes the Argentine Forensic Anthropology team, 453 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,719 Speaker 3: the group that jian Caadlo's shadowing, headed by Carlos macOS Omiliana. 454 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 6: So these new. 455 00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 4: Logs, they actually hand them over to Maco to sort 456 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 4: through an analyze, and in those records, Michael finds a 457 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 4: surprising connection to the planes and the pilots. 458 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 3: In the next episode. 459 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 2: We've identified very few people who died in the death flights, 460 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 2: about one percent of them. It's extremely rare, But in 461 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 2: this case, what's also extremely rare is to have such detailed, 462 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 2: well preserved flight. 463 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 5: Logs from Orbit Media. 464 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 3: This is Avenger, the Stone of Medium Lewin I'm your 465 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 3: host and senior producer Andrescavacchedo. The series was produced by 466 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 3: Seguiel Rodrie Sandino and edited by Monica Campbell. Original score 467 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 3: Nicolas Paschella, mixing and mastering Christopher Hoff and Austin Smith. 468 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 3: Assistant producers Andres Feschtenholz and Eleana Gillespi. FactCheck Alejandro Marinelli 469 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 3: and leonardos Canoni. Legal review Neil Rossini, Casting director Paula 470 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 3: Gammon Wilson. The executive producers from Orbit Media are Steve Fishman, 471 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 3: Fisher Stevens, Marcy Wiseman, and Katie Springer. The voice actors 472 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 3: in Avenger include Alexis Bloddell as Medium Lewin, Fulio de 473 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 3: la Volta as Giancarlos Aralvo Bonzalo Vargas as Enrique Pinedo, 474 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 3: Edgardo Manono Castro as Bruno Vain and Tom schubert, As, 475 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 3: Carlos Macosmiliana and Gustavo. This podcast was produced in association 476 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 3: with Sonodos. Annodo Executive producers are Camilla Victoriano, Joshua Weinstein 477 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 3: and Jasmine Romero. 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