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Speaker 1: The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is he is Radiohead,

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Speaker 1: broadcasting live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the official

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys app. No your hosts, Tyler Klutz, Christie Scales,

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Speaker 1: and Brad Sham Welcome to Radioheads. Everybody. Everybody, have a

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Speaker 1: good weekend. Get away from a little bit. You get

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Speaker 1: away from a little bit. I did. I did. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we had some family in town and we hung out

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Speaker 1: at the house all weekend. It was great. Good you

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Speaker 1: watched football all weekend? I actually did so. My wife's

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Speaker 1: Gosh two weeks ago. I was like, don't plan anything

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Speaker 1: Saturday Sunday because we're gonna watch football. Like so, we

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Speaker 1: watched the Ou game, we watched a little bit of

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Speaker 1: the middle of that, which was, you know, more enjoyable

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Speaker 1: that Christy was at the A and M Texas basketball games.

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Speaker 1: I wish I could say I saw some good basketball

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Speaker 1: this weekend. Well long Orn fans thought they did that

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Speaker 1: the same game and you were, you were also at

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Speaker 1: the Big twelve Championship games. That was fantastic over time.

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Speaker 1: What a great game, boy smokes. Yeah, that was great

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Speaker 1: and especially when you don't have to stand on the sideline,

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Speaker 1: you can just sit up there and eat the free

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Speaker 1: food and watch the game. When was the last time

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Speaker 1: that you went to a big game and did not

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Speaker 1: have to work? Like? Have you gone, Brad? Both of

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Speaker 1: you a cowboy game or just in No, well, obviously

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Speaker 1: not a cowboy game stands for the Big twelve Championship

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Speaker 1: game last year, Oklahoma Texas game. Okay, I mean how

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Speaker 1: is it for you? Do you feel like there's a

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Speaker 1: I mean, are you able to just sit and enjoy

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Speaker 1: always uh there, I'm about one eighth scouting. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: looking at what Okay, what players do? If it's a

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Speaker 1: football game, what players do I think would look good

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Speaker 1: and then then I am if I'm watching it on

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Speaker 1: I am trying to put myself in the announcer's position

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Speaker 1: and saying what what would I handle it that way?

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Speaker 1: And if I'm if I'm not doing that, if I'm

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Speaker 1: just watching it, Uh, sometimes I can. I can enjoy

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Speaker 1: it just for the theater. I would think in person,

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Speaker 1: because I know me. If I'm I'm in the stands

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Speaker 1: and I'm sitting behind Bradsham or Chrissy Scales, I'm tapping

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Speaker 1: you on the shoulder the entire time, like, why would

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Speaker 1: to go. That's exactly right, that's exactly very careful who

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Speaker 1: I've actually I've actually seen Brad at a game and

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Speaker 1: answer questions. Yeah, I shouldn't think about that some of

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Speaker 1: the other places I go, Okay, so not football. I no,

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Speaker 1: going to dive into later. But uh so favorite sport

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Speaker 1: non football sport to go watch in person. Well, for Christy,

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Speaker 1: it's anything that A and M's playing. Okay, that's right, right. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I love basketball because that's what I played in school.

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Speaker 1: them than anybody else. Yeah. Um, put me at Wrigley

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Speaker 1: and usually they're entertaining as a team. In this year,

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Speaker 1: the DePaul Texas Tech game. Oh yeah, and like one

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Speaker 1: there was no professional sports going on in town. The

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Speaker 1: But because you tried? Yeah, yeah, yeah, we went to

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Speaker 1: killed a segment? So I'm going to talk about I'm

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Speaker 1: a big Manchester United. Yes, I do know that because

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Speaker 1: talk about too. So so you know, the the Glazer

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Speaker 1: family in Tampa owns Manchester United. So I thought, oh,

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Speaker 1: making calls months before and yes, no problem, NFL people

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Speaker 1: their VIP packages. Now I've already told six people that

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Speaker 1: And you get off the train and take a trolley

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Speaker 1: across town to a little rugby stadium that Manchester United

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Speaker 1: A former menu player is there to give you a

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Speaker 1: little replica old style British football, brown leathery looking but

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Speaker 1: it's but it's rubber with the date and the opponents

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Speaker 1: the former player gets up and says, here's what we are,

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Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. Now we go and you watched only

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Speaker 1: I'm all about the merch. That's forty five minutes gone.

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Speaker 1: And it was great. But so that's like, that's like

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Speaker 1: the Yankee, that's like the Cowboys, right man. You But

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Speaker 1: a couple of nights before we had gone to Craven

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Speaker 1: the home of Fulham, which is a smaller team. And

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Speaker 1: like this is really stressful for everyone, and it's a

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Speaker 1: it's a you know, high profile position, but this is

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Speaker 1: still have to work. So now these kids are spending

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Speaker 1: time in the hospital by themselves, and just to have

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Speaker 1: you know, the players and cheerleaders come in and spend

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Speaker 1: some time with them. It means the world. And another

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Speaker 1: thing that happens is the players are always available to

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Speaker 1: the media as they leave, usually right and so it's

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Speaker 1: Thursday night. So DeMarcus Lawrence, who this year is a

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Speaker 1: co captain of the defense and the you know, frankly,

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Speaker 1: the past rush needs to improve. And DeMarcus Lawrence is

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, he's still the racing lizard as

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Speaker 1: Rod Marinelli calls him, you know, chasing down plays and effort.

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Speaker 1: But DeMarcus was asked about the lull and he says

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Speaker 1: he's accepting blame, and he says, I testify and TA

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Speaker 1: take ownership of those last couple games. I haven't been

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Speaker 1: playing like myself. I haven't been taking up a leadership

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Speaker 1: role I should be taking. It's time for me to

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Speaker 1: step up. The Lord has blessed us with another opportunity

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Speaker 1: to make these playoffs, and it's time to do so. Unquote,

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Speaker 1: so talking the talk, but I'll be honest last week

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Speaker 1: I kind of bought in when Dak was the one

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Speaker 1: and stood in front of his locker and said, talk

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Speaker 1: is cheap, it's time to show up. Well, they had

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Speaker 1: a great opening drive on Thursday night and after that

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Speaker 1: it was downhill. So let's see if DeMarcus and the

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Speaker 1: defense can live up to the words spoken earlier today. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that defensive side of the ball, and I know everyone's

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Speaker 1: putting the finger at that side, and rightfully so. But moreover,

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Speaker 1: just individuals not playing as high level as they should.

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Speaker 1: It's collectively they're not playing on the same page as

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Speaker 1: a unit. So that leadership, and we talk about the

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Speaker 1: leadership side, the leadership group on that team has to

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Speaker 1: step up. They have to bring the guys together and

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Speaker 1: get everyone going in the same direction at the same speed, right,

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Speaker 1: I just I feel like there's a lack of urgency

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Speaker 1: across the board on the defensive side of the ball. Now,

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Speaker 1: the offense, yes, like can they play better, Absolutely, they

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Speaker 1: absolutely can't. But just on defense, the defensive unit is

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Speaker 1: the tone setter. They are the group that sets the

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Speaker 1: tone and are contagious more so than the offense. So

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Speaker 1: if the defense is playing well, traditionally the game goes better.

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Speaker 1: But if you know, the offense scores a bunch of

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Speaker 1: points but the defense is playing how they have been

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter. But that defensive leadership unit has to do something.

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Speaker 1: And I'm saying Jalen, I'm saying DeMarcus. I mean, Michael

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Speaker 1: Bennett's been stepping up in vocal, but he just hasn't

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Speaker 1: been here long enough. But the guys that he has

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Speaker 1: been he also has six neutral zone or offside penalties

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Speaker 1: and that is and that's and to your point, like,

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Speaker 1: the hard part is is that the guys that have

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Speaker 1: been leaders have not been playing well. So how are

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Speaker 1: the younger guys gonna look at them and say, well, like,

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Speaker 1: I can't do what you're doing, Because you know, Jason

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Speaker 1: Witt and a guy like him when I was playing,

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Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna watch everything that he does because

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Speaker 1: he just does it right. He may not be the

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Speaker 1: most athletic or the fastest tight end in the league,

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Speaker 1: but he does everything right. Where we can't say that

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Speaker 1: right now about some of the individuals on that defensive

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Speaker 1: unit and on the offensive unit for for that, but

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Speaker 1: as as a Marcus jay Len, I mean, Jeff, who's

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Speaker 1: you know, been battling back and forth. But like the

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Speaker 1: leadership buyer in, the guys that are out there have

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Speaker 1: to just look, I'm gonna put my head down and

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do the right thing, and I'm gonna bring

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Speaker 1: everyone along with me. So before we take another break,

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Speaker 1: I want to just follow up along the lines of

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Speaker 1: that delineation because I was watching the game Thursday night.

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Speaker 1: You know, one of the things that we look for

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Speaker 1: when things aren't going well is is effort commitment. Baby

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Speaker 1: Baby likes to talk about when when Ricky Waters, I

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Speaker 1: guess he was in Philadelphia before he was in San

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Speaker 1: franc Yeah, and Seattle, and and he famously said for

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Speaker 1: who for what? You know? Why would I go across

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Speaker 1: the middle? Why would I stay in bounds? Why would

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Speaker 1: I mean for who for what? Yeah, well for the team,

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Speaker 1: but if you get it for who for what moment

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Speaker 1: telling on, then you're then you're you're in big, big trouble.

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Speaker 1: And I remember thinking watching the game, and Christy, you've

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Speaker 1: got an even better perspective of this as close as

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Speaker 1: you are to the action on the sideline. But I

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Speaker 1: remember thinking when they when they were in have to

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Speaker 1: throw every down mode, and Khalil, Mack and Floyd and

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Speaker 1: all those guys were just drooling to be doing nothing

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Speaker 1: but rush the passer. And I remember thinking to myself,

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Speaker 1: you cannot pass block against that kind of relentless effort

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Speaker 1: and be accused of not trying. It's those two things

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Speaker 1: don't go together. So now you can accuse them of

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Speaker 1: playing poorly as an offense when you look at all

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Speaker 1: the number of times that they went three and out

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Speaker 1: and the ineffective things they did, you can accuse them

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Speaker 1: of not playing well. But I don't think you can

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Speaker 1: accuse him of not playing heart right, I'm just talking

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Speaker 1: about the offense. The effort is there, and I know

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Speaker 1: everyone's tired to sing in this the execution. Could you

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Speaker 1: see more fire from the defense, more rallying to the ball.

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Speaker 1: As we saw last year. That's the thing. Defense is

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Speaker 1: more effort, isn't Tyler. You know you got to be

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Speaker 1: in the right place that last year it was more

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Speaker 1: everybody to the ball. You saw you saw three hats

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Speaker 1: on a tackle. You see a lot of missed single

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Speaker 1: tackles right now. You see a lot of those. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I think I think this. We keep hearing that

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Speaker 1: this defense is about assignment, sound and gap control. Everyone's

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Speaker 1: got a gap. Be in your gap, be assignment sound.

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Speaker 1: Do what. This is not a defense. Now you you played,

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Speaker 1: You're you're gonna have to jump in and correct me.

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Speaker 1: This is not a defense that tries to make its

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Speaker 1: living by confusing you. They're not trying to disguise what

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Speaker 1: they're doing. They're just trying to be disciplined. Everybody, Your

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Speaker 1: assignment is this, Mine is right here, Yours is right there. Now,

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Speaker 1: if he decides I'm going to make this play even

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Speaker 1: though it's over there, and he gets out of his

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Speaker 1: gap and doesn't stick to his a all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: the guy's back over there. He's out of position, he's

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Speaker 1: flailing around, and the guy's running free. Yeah, and I

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Speaker 1: just wanted but before I said, you know about all

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Speaker 1: the hats to the ball. I'm not implying that the

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Speaker 1: defensive players are not putting forth effort, right, It's that

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Speaker 1: it's not disciplined, to your point with that, so it's

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Speaker 1: trying to do too much. I will say, they don't

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Speaker 1: appear to me to be focused. And on the same page,

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Speaker 1: I think there's some free lances. Well, but all it

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Speaker 1: takes is one person or two to be slightly off

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Speaker 1: and it makes it look like that. Yeah. So, and

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Speaker 1: there's literally one play you know that comes to mind.

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Speaker 1: It was it was a run play that washen Cohen

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Speaker 1: came back anyways. It was a zone run right and

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Speaker 1: our d line we slanted from from the defense is

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Speaker 1: right to the left, and then Jalen was supposed to

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Speaker 1: capture that edge. Jalen got too far inside and then

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Speaker 1: we got out leveraged right and he outran it. Jalen

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Speaker 1: ran it down. I think he made the tackle for

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Speaker 1: like ten yards. Not a hugely significant play in the game,

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Speaker 1: but that's that was what I saw over and over

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Speaker 1: and over. Like you said, we're not a confusing defense.

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Speaker 1: As a fullback and a running back. I loved it because, okay, hey,

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Speaker 1: I know that there's gonna be movement up front, but

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Speaker 1: I know who I'm gonna get, Like I'm not I

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Speaker 1: don't have these Okay, hey, two down guys and seven

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Speaker 1: guys standing up and moving around like Rex Ryan's defense

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Speaker 1: or Rob Bryan's defense in New Orleans used to do

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Speaker 1: like you know who you got and then go block

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Speaker 1: them and go out execute them. But in this defense,

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Speaker 1: it really is about being where you need to be

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Speaker 1: and not where you're not supposed to be and where

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Speaker 1: then it's you know, I'm not going to say that

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Speaker 1: Even with the athleticism that we have with our linebackers

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Speaker 1: and then we'll talk about what can they get corrected

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Speaker 1: on the cusp of his first playoff experience that was

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00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,280
Speaker 1: killing it and was sure. So those interviews were great.

640
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: So a friend of mine said to me today, you're

641
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 1: looking forward to tonight. I know. First of all, it's

642
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: an hour later. I'm gonna get home. My day is longer. Yeah.

643
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: Second of all, what am I supposed to do? Sit

644
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: down and say so, Dak? Why do you stink? Why

645
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: does your team just awful? Why can't you? And no

646
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: one is competing harder or more frustrated I think than him? Yeah,

647
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,240
Speaker 1: and he can't fix everything, he can only be himself.

648
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: But it'll be interesting to get his perspective. Yeah, I

649
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: would have. I would really like I would like to

650
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: ask a couple of questions and what the difference in

651
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: John Kittna has been for him? Right, Like, I have

652
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 1: not heard him specifically say that, like what the difference

653
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: in his routine this offseason was his preparation looks like

654
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: because he does look like a different quarterback than he

655
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 1: has in years passed. There has definitely been a progression

656
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: for him. And then also Kellen Moore, like he's you

657
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: ask him that, the hard part is is he's going

658
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 1: to give the pec answer, which he as a quarterback,

659
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: you've got to keep things going in the right direction.

660
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: You can't say anything that's going to raise alarms. But

661
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: I would really like to get his perception of it.

662
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: My thoughts is that he does enjoy Kellen as a

663
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: coordinator and a relationship you know they I mean they

664
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: played together, um, you know for a short time. But

665
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: and by the way, I think Kellen was the along

666
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: with Mark Sanchez, the biggest help to Deck in his

667
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: rookie year. Yes, remember Kellen was supposed to be the backup.

668
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: Ye broke his leg and training and he broke his ankle.

669
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 1: Tank broke his ankle for him in training camp and

670
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: that's what made him the backup quarterback before Tony Romo

671
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 1: got hurt. Well, Jamiale Showers was still the number two now, well,

672
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: so he had he had already kind of beat out

673
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 1: Jamie Jamie Jamale hadn't been moved to safety yet. That

674
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: was later went into training camp competing with number three,

675
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: and there were a lot of people who thought after

676
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: the first week that Jamille looked better. I was gonna say,

677
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: I remember, Jamil had a very good start to that camp,

678
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 1: and then it just anyways, But when they came back,

679
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: Kellen came back to have surgery. I think he came

680
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: back out to California. But then I know that he

681
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: he was He was the deck whisperer along with Sanchez

682
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: in that twenty sixteen season, and at that point, Kellen

683
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: had no thought of not playing. Of course, in seventeen

684
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 1: he did play quite a bit, but yeah, yeah, but

685
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: his his perceive years round seventeen fifteen, seventeen sixteen, No,

686
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: but when Kellen played quite a bit that was Yeah,

687
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: he played the last Yeah played at Buffalo started out.

688
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: But I would I would love that. And then you know,

689
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: really like the shift too, for you know what he

690
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: feels like. The responsibility has been shifted onto him much

691
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: more greatly this year, right whereas his first couple of years,

692
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: the run game was our strength. That's what they leaned on.

693
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 1: That's what he got behind. Now as a quarterback, how

694
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: does that feel different? Right, Guys like Drew Brees, guys

695
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: like Tom Brady that carry the weight of that offense

696
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,760
Speaker 1: and if they don't perform the offense. While the Saints

697
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: did it pretty well with Bridgewater, But but I mean

698
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: those guys in the pressure and how he's handling that

699
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: because I think that he's playing still at a very

700
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: very high, high level, right, and there's some things that

701
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: he can't that he can't control as a quarterback, which unfortunately,

702
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 1: you still have to take responsibility for those things because

703
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: you are the face of the franchise. But then also

704
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: like I would love to know how he how he

705
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 1: can have the ability to put their contract stuff aside

706
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: and maybe behind closed doors. That is something that he

707
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: thinks about and talks with his agent a lot. But

708
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: you know, from an outside looking in, he's done a

709
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: spectacular job of pushing that off and focusing on playing.

710
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: When you played, there must have been years you played

711
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: without multi year guaranteed contracts. That was every year, yeah, yes,

712
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: and and and industri worried about Wednesday, Right, you get

713
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 1: paid on Tuesdays, right when you're an earned my job

714
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: for the rest of the week. Yeah, but you weren't

715
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: worried about in November and December. You weren't worried about

716
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: whether you were going to get a new contract or

717
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: where you were going to go if this team didn't

718
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: were you. You were worried about getting ready for that

719
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: week's game. That's exactly right. Whereas now he's thinking, I mean,

720
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: some of these guys it's long term. But he I

721
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: think I don't think he's worried about if he's going

722
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: to get a contract though. No, no, no, not a

723
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: contract is going to be done. Not a contract, but

724
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: that is something that's a big number looming, right, thirty

725
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: to thirty four million. I mean, I don't know if

726
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 1: at least thirty four Yeah, and so where that lands.

727
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: But he has done a great job, I believe of

728
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: staying focused and you know, now, okay, how do we

729
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: take that to the next level from a leadership perspective?

730
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 1: And that's the key leadership And this is this is

731
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 1: a if you get a chance for this, and especially

732
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 1: when you're on a three game losing skid. You know,

733
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 1: he has two degrees from Mississippi State, Right, So psychology,

734
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 1: but his master's is in workforce leadership, so he and

735
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: he wants to be literally has a degree in this. Yes,

736
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: he literally has a degree in it. And I've done

737
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: interviews with him before about his educational background, and he

738
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: wants to be a sports psychologist after his playing days.

739
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: That's his ambition. And so I think it would be

740
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: interesting if you have an opportunity tonight to talk about

741
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: this about the psychology and what he can do to

742
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: lift the team. Right, So, how does he see his role?

743
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: What did he you know, not just his experience as

744
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: a player at Mississippi State, but what he learned in

745
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: his studies and working on his masters and how you

746
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: can apply it to the current situation that the Cowboys

747
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: are in. Great question, Very good question, and I will

748
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: ask him that it ties into me in the area

749
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: that I think is the hardest to get a handle on.

750
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 1: And we'll call on Tyler's expertise to put a bow

751
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: on this. These guys are all the best players from

752
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: their high schools and colleges. They all know they're good players.

753
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: It's always struck me that the collective confidence is a

754
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: fragile item, and this team doesn't have any at the moment,

755
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: and I don't know how you tell. I'm not talking

756
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: about sack dances and touchdown celebrations. You can tell when

757
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: players are confident. The offense was really confident the first

758
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: three weeks because they had produced results. So how do

759
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 1: you tell when the confidence isn't there? And when you

760
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: know it's not there and you know it's reattainable, how

761
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: do you get it back? So, I it's a tough

762
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:14,240
Speaker 1: question because I think you can interchange confidence with trust,

763
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 1: and I think in whom in your in your teammate

764
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: next to you. So we talk about the defensive side

765
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: of the ball. I don't think that there's trust between units.

766
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,919
Speaker 1: I think there's the linebacker unit, there's the D line unit,

767
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: and then the DV unit. I think they're very segregated.

768
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: As I watch it, those are three completely different units

769
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,919
Speaker 1: on the field, as they should about emotionally segregated. Yes, yes, yeah,

770
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: And because they would tell you right now they're all together,

771
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: oh yeah, they're brothers. Yeah yeah, but they're playing very

772
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: very segregated. They're playing very differently. Whereas the safeties, it's

773
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: very there. They are a huge part in that run defense.

774
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: And I just haven't seen the safeties come up and

775
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: make the plays that this defense requires safeties to play

776
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: because and I don't know if it's the linebackers are

777
00:42:58,320 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: trying to do too much because they don't think the

778
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 1: safe these are there, or the d line, or trying

779
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 1: to play two gaps because they don't think the linebackers

780
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 1: are going to get to it. But there's not a

781
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: level of trust. And I think from a confidence perspective,

782
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 1: and you talk about, you know, offense, I don't. I

783
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: just I don't know if there is the high level

784
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: of trust because unfortunately, at this level, there's a lot

785
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 1: of trust in yourself and confidence in yourself, like I'm

786
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: a great player, but when things go bad, very very easily,

787
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: that finger starts pointing at other people and it's not myself,

788
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: and it's someone else that needs to fix it, whether hey,

789
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: it's the fullback or the running the tailback needs to

790
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: make sure he picks up that block. It's not the

791
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: offensive lines fault. It's a running back's fault because he

792
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: didn't pick up that safety blitz on the backside, or

793
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: he didn't see that hot route when they came when

794
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: they brought pressure on the other side, or if the

795
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 1: running backs like no, no, no, no, it's the old

796
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: lines fault because they didn't point the right guy, or

797
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 1: they didn't slide when they were supposed to do this,

798
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: or hey, they didn't get a hand on that guy,

799
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: or the quarterback didn't get rid of the ball quick

800
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: is he's supposed to be hot and throw that hot route,

801
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: so very very very quickly, when things start going bad,

802
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:06,720
Speaker 1: you start to justify that I'm doing good, but he's

803
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: not and so and then I mean, it starts from coaches,

804
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: and you see it in the coaches twenty fifteen. I

805
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: saw it a lot. I saw a lot of the

806
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: coach of position coaches pointing the finger at the other

807
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: groups because now it's self preservation. When everyone's jobs on

808
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: the line. They're trying to say no, no, no, no no,

809
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: according to this scheme, the running backs are supposed to

810
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,919
Speaker 1: pick this up, or hey, no no, no, this pass

811
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: protection plan that the old line coach put in that

812
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: this doesn't work, or I mean, whatever it is, but

813
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: there's a lot of self preservation at this point right now,

814
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: especially when jobs are on the line. By the way,

815
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: that is, I know we're going to run over a second,

816
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: but that is a part of the current environment that

817
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 1: I find concerning. I don't know to what extent players

818
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: really can shut out all the noise. I don't think

819
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: assistant coaches do. I think it's impossible. And what people

820
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:03,280
Speaker 1: don't understand is when you're talking about replacing a head coach,

821
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:08,240
Speaker 1: you are talking about the likelihood of replacing about twenty

822
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: three assistant coaches who all have wives and children, and

823
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: so now instead of worrying about how are we going

824
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: to integrate our defense to stop Todd Gurley or to

825
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: keep Woods from getting behind that tight end and over

826
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: the middle, instead of integrating that, you're worried about what's

827
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 1: going to happen to my healthcare. I've got kids, And yeah,

828
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,439
Speaker 1: that's very real stuff. And I remember when before Coach

829
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 1: Garrett's last contract, I remember talking to you because my

830
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 1: wife is very close with the other coaches wives, because

831
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 1: the women's community here is really strong, and I remember

832
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: that was a huge deal. Like, wives were really stressed out.

833
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,720
Speaker 1: And as a husband, even though you're at the office,

834
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,439
Speaker 1: you're working all day long and you're home super late,

835
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 1: you have to carry that as a husband and father

836
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: for your family. So to be able to say I

837
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: can I can ignore the noise? You can't. You can't

838
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: ignore your Yeah, you can ignore some of the noise,

839
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: but you cannot. I'm talking about yeah, media noise. You

840
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: don't have to turn the radio on, you don't have

841
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: to know. But when you start hearing it from your wife,

842
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: because it's everywhere, and it gets in your wife and

843
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: she's worried about it because wives, innately they're worried about, Okay,

844
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: our family, what are we gonna do where our kids?

845
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 1: Should we put these kids in private school for next year?

846
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: Should we move? Can we? But yes, so there is there.

847
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it is a it's life. It is

848
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: a really big deal. And so it is hard when

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Speaker 1: I do listen to you know, sports radio, or everyone's

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Speaker 1: calling for people's heads and they're saying this. What if

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Speaker 1: someone was constantly asking for your job telling you that

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Speaker 1: you can't. You need to go somewhere else, and you

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Speaker 1: got to move to Philly or you got to move

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Speaker 1: to la or you gotta move to Houston, because you're

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Speaker 1: not doing what we expect you to do. Like, there's

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Speaker 1: really bad radio guys out there that like talk and

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Speaker 1: like have all these opinions and there's no there's no

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Speaker 1: consequences for that. There's real life consequences for these guys

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Speaker 1: getting fired, player or coach because it affects the entire family.

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Speaker 1: So it's not just like so I have a really

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Speaker 1: hard time when everyone's super bright and I know it's

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Speaker 1: your job and we're doing the same thing right now.

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Speaker 1: But here's a deal. These people have lives and football

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Speaker 1: is a game. Ultimately, yes, it's an expensive game, but

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Speaker 1: it is a game. So Merry Christmas, everybody, and folks.

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Speaker 1: The Cowboys have to beat Philadelphia and win one of

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Speaker 1: their other two games to get in the playoffs. That's

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Speaker 1: what has to happen. That's it. That is it, and

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Speaker 1: it's in front of them, it is it's there for

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Speaker 1: the taking. This is radio As. This has been a

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Speaker 1: production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys

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