WEBVTT - WokeAF Daily 4.22.20 - Protesting A Virus

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, peeps, and welcome to woke F Daily with

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<v Speaker 1>next two weeks. You know this whole. I'm gonna strap

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<v Speaker 1>myself up with a bunch of guns of best a

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<v Speaker 1>maga hat and go and protest of virus on the

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<v Speaker 1>steps of the Capitol Building while police looks safely down

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<v Speaker 1>at you from a balcony. Is on some America, And

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<v Speaker 1>that's what the KKK in their spelling of like bullshit.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm watching this unfold and I'm watching now reports of

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<v Speaker 1>a one named Attorney General William Barr, who is saying

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<v Speaker 1>that he is going to use the power of the

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<v Speaker 1>Department of Justice to require governors to sentence their residence

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<v Speaker 1>to death. How that work? So? On one hand, when

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<v Speaker 1>Black Lives Matter protesters were protesting against police brutality, right

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<v Speaker 1>wanting the law and the justice system to work for

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<v Speaker 1>everyone in the same way. William Barr came out and said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't like the police, then maybe they won't

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<v Speaker 1>be in your neighborhoods anymore. You remember that this is

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<v Speaker 1>the same now, the same motherfucker who thinks that it's

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<v Speaker 1>totally totally okay for armed white people to storm capital buildings.

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<v Speaker 1>These people are not protesters, That's what I want to

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<v Speaker 1>get clear. They're fucking terrorists and they should be treated

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<v Speaker 1>like that. Everyone's idea of liberty is clearly not the

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<v Speaker 1>same because racist white folks idea of liberty is being

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<v Speaker 1>able to oppress and force their will on other people.

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<v Speaker 1>So because they don't give a fuck about their lives

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<v Speaker 1>and their health, then no one else can, right Because

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<v Speaker 1>they don't give a fuck about following science and data

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<v Speaker 1>and facts and actual doctors, They're gonna go with their

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<v Speaker 1>gut right like on a hunch, like this fucking president, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I say, why not give them them

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<v Speaker 1>the state of Alaska go fucking there, right, Like, round

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<v Speaker 1>up these forty percent of people who don't give a

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<v Speaker 1>shit about this country or anything that it has to

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<v Speaker 1>stand for. All they care about is white supremacy and dominance,

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<v Speaker 1>Give them their own fucking state, and make sure that

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<v Speaker 1>it's separate off, floating in the ocean, away from the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of us. That's what I recommend. I'm done. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>done trying to convince these people of sane ideas and facts.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm done with Democrats trying to open up their arms

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<v Speaker 1>and welcoming these people back to the party because guess what,

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<v Speaker 1>news flash, I don't fucking want them, and neither should you.

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<v Speaker 1>What do they have to offer us, what their wayward votes?

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<v Speaker 1>The fuck out of here. Keep it with Trump, go

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<v Speaker 1>all in the bag for him. Do that, and then

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<v Speaker 1>when you turn up sick and coughing and need a ventilator,

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<v Speaker 1>go elsewhere. Go elsewhere. Because I don't see why our

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<v Speaker 1>health infrastructure, which is already fucked to begin with, needs

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<v Speaker 1>to be crumbling on added weight by stupid, fucking people.

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<v Speaker 1>I really don't. And frankly, there were several countries and

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<v Speaker 1>places right around this country that we're instituting fines for

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<v Speaker 1>people who were not practiced in social distancing laws. So

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to sit back and wait for the

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<v Speaker 1>explosions to take place in Texas, in Tennessee, in Ohio,

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<v Speaker 1>in Michigan because you're not legislating in a way that

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<v Speaker 1>is clearly effective, because these folks don't fear you, right,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't fear any type of repercussions. What should be

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<v Speaker 1>the fine, and I don't even mean monetarily throw them

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<v Speaker 1>in fucking jail? Right, you're talking about a virus that

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<v Speaker 1>has a one two sixty or plus ratio, meaning that

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<v Speaker 1>one person can effectively, in fact, sixty some odd people,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're having two hundred plus people at a rally,

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<v Speaker 1>are you kidding me? And nothing is happening to them.

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<v Speaker 1>They are armed with R fifteen. What kind of fucking

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<v Speaker 1>country is this? Where gun shops are labeled essential but

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<v Speaker 1>abortion is not. You know what this virus has done

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<v Speaker 1>is it has opened up the Pandora's box that apparently

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<v Speaker 1>our idealism has been sitting on for all of this time,

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<v Speaker 1>making us believe that this country and the people that

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<v Speaker 1>inhabit it are better than they actually are. You know

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<v Speaker 1>what I see in those screaming, white angry faces, just

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<v Speaker 1>pure ignorance, pure rage. Right, they want to rage against

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<v Speaker 1>the machine. They don't care about civil liberties. As long

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<v Speaker 1>as white folks have it, they're fine, right, because Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, being forced to stay inside and watch Netflix

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<v Speaker 1>in order to make sure that tens of thousands of

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<v Speaker 1>Americans don't die. Oh that's fascism. Are you fucking nuts?

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<v Speaker 1>You know? And it's starting to occur to me as well,

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<v Speaker 1>that all of this right. And we're going to get

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<v Speaker 1>into this conversation with our regular Woke f Wednesday contributors

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Metzel and Kurt Bardella, and we will unpack the

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<v Speaker 1>rise in white supremacist organizations that are trying to weaponize

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<v Speaker 1>the coronavirus right, that they are calling for a second

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<v Speaker 1>civil war, that they are stocking up there our ammunition.

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<v Speaker 1>And it isn't just as a trophy they are preparing.

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<v Speaker 1>They are preparing to take down police, communities of color,

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<v Speaker 1>Jewish folks, Muslims, anyone who is not white, Anglo and Christian.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the same powder keg situation that brought about

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<v Speaker 1>the Nazi regime. You have the President of the United

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<v Speaker 1>States of America getting on Twitter and telling these states

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<v Speaker 1>to quote unquote liberate and that your Second Amendment is

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<v Speaker 1>under siege. Said, fucking who, You're the goddamn president. So

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<v Speaker 1>are you saying that you're stealing their weapons or are

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, now it's the federal government that

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<v Speaker 1>is now at war with the States. What the fuck

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<v Speaker 1>kind of country is this? That's the question that you

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<v Speaker 1>all need to be asking yourselves as we make the

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<v Speaker 1>slow fucking march to November, if in fact we get there.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know that I have been saying this for

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<v Speaker 1>what feels like years at this point, that I said

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<v Speaker 1>that Donald Trump would do anything, effectively anything in order

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<v Speaker 1>to hold onto power. We know that he has the

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<v Speaker 1>Department of Justice in his pocket, We know that he

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<v Speaker 1>has the Supreme Court of the United States in his pocket,

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<v Speaker 1>and now we know through his tweets that he is

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<v Speaker 1>building his own MAGA militia. Wake the fuck up and

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<v Speaker 1>recognize what is going on before it is too late.

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<v Speaker 1>They are not just crazy. They are crazy and armed,

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<v Speaker 1>which is what makes them dangerous, which is what makes

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<v Speaker 1>them terrorists. And we should be discussing it as such.

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<v Speaker 1>We will be doing that and much much more with

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<v Speaker 1>our guests today on wike F Daily, because I'm telling

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<v Speaker 1>you that the mainstream media is missing this. They are

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<v Speaker 1>missing this convers station and they are not opening your

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<v Speaker 1>eyes to what is happening. It is not enough to

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<v Speaker 1>just laugh at the memes and say, oh hah, they're dumb. No,

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<v Speaker 1>these people are armed and they're coming to our doorsteps

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<v Speaker 1>and the federal government isn't going to do a fucking

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<v Speaker 1>thing to stop them, and that is terrifying on top

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<v Speaker 1>of everything else. Excited to welcome back to Woke a

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<v Speaker 1>F Daily, our Woke a F contributor Kurt Bardella, who

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<v Speaker 1>is also an NBC News Think and USA Today and

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<v Speaker 1>Morning Joe MSNBC contributor as well. Good morning, Kurt, A

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<v Speaker 1>man of many titles, A man of many titles. I

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<v Speaker 1>like it because you are a man with many insights

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<v Speaker 1>into Republican hypocrisy. And you know what I'm really enjoying

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<v Speaker 1>about the pieces that you were writing for both NBC

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<v Speaker 1>and for USA Today are the conversations that you're having

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<v Speaker 1>that we're not talking about. And it is how hell

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<v Speaker 1>bent the Republican Party was during the Obama years to

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<v Speaker 1>try and label Barack Obama as an emperor, to try

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<v Speaker 1>and have him looked at as a person that was

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<v Speaker 1>promoting propaganda, calling in governmental agencies to look into every

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<v Speaker 1>single thing, including the Reinvestment Act, which again helped this

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<v Speaker 1>country stave off a depression, A depression in the early aughts,

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<v Speaker 1>and here we are where there is an actual emperor,

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<v Speaker 1>an authoritarian in the White House who is tweeting about

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<v Speaker 1>the liberation of states and telling people that their Second

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<v Speaker 1>Amendment rights are under siege, which they are not, telling

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<v Speaker 1>people that he alone is the end all, be all

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<v Speaker 1>and the authority in the United States, essentially eliminating the

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<v Speaker 1>role of Congress. And they say nothing, Kurt, they say nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>None of these people that you have written about in

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<v Speaker 1>your latest piece. Trump's liberate tweets were reckless and arrogant.

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<v Speaker 1>Now imagine if Obama had sent them. They're saying nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me how and why are Democrats not making a

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<v Speaker 1>bigger deal about the Republican silence. You know, it's been

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<v Speaker 1>both an observation and a frustration for me, again having

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<v Speaker 1>had a front row seat to how Republicans conducted themselves

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<v Speaker 1>during the Obama years, and I spent five years working

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<v Speaker 1>at the House Oversight Committee, and I remember people like

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<v Speaker 1>the then Judiciary Committee chairman's, you know, talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>need to prevent the executive branch from overstepping the boundaries

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<v Speaker 1>of its constitutional authority and separation of powers and checks

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<v Speaker 1>and balances, and even going to the extreme of They

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<v Speaker 1>formed a special task force to examine the executive overreach

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<v Speaker 1>of Barack Obama, labeling him a lawless, emperor like figure.

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<v Speaker 1>He had people like Ted Cruz raising alarm bell saying

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, there's troubling aspects of the Obama presidency

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<v Speaker 1>and direct quote, none is more dangerous than the president's

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<v Speaker 1>persistent pattern of lawlessness. Mark Meadows, the same Mark Meadows,

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<v Speaker 1>who was now Donald Trump's chief of staff, opine that

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<v Speaker 1>President Obama had declared war not just on Congress, beyond

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<v Speaker 1>the American people, on and on people from Paul Ryan

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<v Speaker 1>to Sief King to Jim Jordan, all of these characters

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<v Speaker 1>that we have seen take a front row seat and

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<v Speaker 1>being the public defender of Donald Trump, were the first

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<v Speaker 1>ones railing against President Obama's use of executive authority. And

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<v Speaker 1>let's just be clear, what President Obama did did not

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<v Speaker 1>in any way come close to the lawlessness we're seeing

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<v Speaker 1>from Donald Trump. They're not on the same playing field.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet Republicans were so quick to yell and hold hearings

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<v Speaker 1>and issue subpoenas and launch investigations. And I constantly think

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<v Speaker 1>that for Democrats it is a missed opportuntunity to point

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<v Speaker 1>out the intolerable hypocrisy that we've seen from Republicans during

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<v Speaker 1>this time of Trump, and I wish that they would

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<v Speaker 1>be more blatant and more direct just repeat the words

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<v Speaker 1>of Republicans at the next time Donald Trump has a

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<v Speaker 1>temper tantrum or a Twitter tantrum. I don't know why

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<v Speaker 1>every single House Democrat doesn't put out a statement quoting

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<v Speaker 1>Ted Cruz when he wrote a presidential temper tantrum is

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<v Speaker 1>not an acceptable means of discourse. The words are right there,

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<v Speaker 1>and they came from Republicans. And think that Democrats need

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<v Speaker 1>to be vigilant at reminding people of the context here,

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<v Speaker 1>because as we've seen, Donald Trump loves to rewrite history

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<v Speaker 1>in real time, and Republicans seem to like to pretend

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<v Speaker 1>that the better part of this decade didn't exist. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think Democrats are letting them off the hook by

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<v Speaker 1>pointing it out every single day, every single day. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it is democrats desire or they're

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<v Speaker 1>feeling that by not pointing out the obvious that they're

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<v Speaker 1>taking the high road. But at this point in time,

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<v Speaker 1>don't you think that it is critical that it's critical

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<v Speaker 1>that Democrats highlight where we are and where Republicans have

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<v Speaker 1>taken us and how far they have how far they

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<v Speaker 1>have strayed from their own philosophies and ideologies about government.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it is because in reality, the Republicans effectively

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<v Speaker 1>closed themselves in constitutional righteousness the Obama years, and they

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<v Speaker 1>use that as a means to advance their brand, their

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<v Speaker 1>politics obstruction, and now more than ever, they need to

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<v Speaker 1>be held accountable for that by the Democrats, by the press,

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<v Speaker 1>so that the American people understand what's happening and how

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<v Speaker 1>far away Republicans frankly have strayed from their own orthodox scene.

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<v Speaker 1>And again, the lack of oversight, the lack of check

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<v Speaker 1>and balance, the lack of a watchdog over our democracy

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<v Speaker 1>is having some real, real life impacts. People are wondering

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<v Speaker 1>right now why they haven't gotten their stimulus checks, why

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<v Speaker 1>they their small businesses didn't get loans, Why large corporate

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<v Speaker 1>conglomerates are getting bailouts while mom and pop shops are

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<v Speaker 1>going under and people are having to fire their employees.

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<v Speaker 1>And part of that is because Republicans have abandoned their oversight.

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<v Speaker 1>Post Trump is empowered to feel like he can do

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<v Speaker 1>whatever he wants, that he can give money away to

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<v Speaker 1>whoever he wants. The fact that this past week, somehow

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<v Speaker 1>in the state to Florida, the WWE was designated essential

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<v Speaker 1>and given special status just tells you how broken things

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<v Speaker 1>are right now. And I think Democrats, who again, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like, oftentimes operate from a position of fear. They're

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<v Speaker 1>worried about things on their faces, They're worried about looking

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<v Speaker 1>to politically opportunistic, and yet the Republicans certainly don't hesitate

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<v Speaker 1>to do those things. Republicans aren't thinking twice about politicizing

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<v Speaker 1>this as they are encouraging lunatics to go out there

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<v Speaker 1>and protest the social distancing guidelines that we have in

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<v Speaker 1>place to trying to keep hold of this pandemic. Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>are doubling down on extreme and Democrats don't seem to

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<v Speaker 1>be saying or doing much of anything. And that's and

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<v Speaker 1>that's always my problem is that you're right, there is

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<v Speaker 1>this fear that is there, that is, you know, lingering

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<v Speaker 1>underneath the surface with Democrats, which is being painted in

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<v Speaker 1>a bad light, being seen as opportunistic, being seen as

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<v Speaker 1>a party that does not care about the people. Right So,

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<v Speaker 1>any time there is any spin that is done from

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<v Speaker 1>Fox News that is done by the right, They cower,

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<v Speaker 1>they apologize, and they let the situation go. We watch

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<v Speaker 1>it happen with gun rights, right. We watch it after

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<v Speaker 1>every mass shooting, right, we haven't had just so people know,

0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:30.040
<v Speaker 1>we haven't had a school shooting. Do you know why

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<v Speaker 1>we haven't had a school shooting because school is not

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<v Speaker 1>in session. That's the only reason. So the way to

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<v Speaker 1>stop mass shootings in schools apparently is to shut down schools,

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<v Speaker 1>not do anything about actual gun control legislation. But every

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<v Speaker 1>time there is a mass shooting, we're told now is

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<v Speaker 1>not the time to politicize. Well, when is it right?

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<v Speaker 1>If now is not the time to politicize the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that you have a president and a party that is

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<v Speaker 1>held bent on creating some type of second Civil war,

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<v Speaker 1>right where the President of the United States is urging

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<v Speaker 1>folks to buy up guns right and to protest their

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<v Speaker 1>rights to be liberated, when in fact that rhetoric is

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<v Speaker 1>putting them in harm's way and is creating an incredible

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<v Speaker 1>powder cag of an environment right where we have heightened emotions.

0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:24.159
<v Speaker 1>Twenty two million people are out of work, We have

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<v Speaker 1>racial and ethnic animus, that this administration has been spreading

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<v Speaker 1>and then we're literally adding guns to that mix. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>what do we think is going to happen? And so,

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<v Speaker 1>what is it that you think that Democrats need to

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<v Speaker 1>do to reclaim this narrative. I think they need to

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<v Speaker 1>toughen up and really start being more aggressive in their rhetoric.

0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:53.080
<v Speaker 1>I think that they need to hold this president accountable.

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<v Speaker 1>I think after debating and discussing right now more legislation

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<v Speaker 1>to put more money into different programs to try to

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<v Speaker 1>keep the economy afloat, I think that they really need

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<v Speaker 1>to tie in that legislation with some real tough oversight mechanisms.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that they need to not allow this president

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<v Speaker 1>to have a blank check to do whatever he wants,

0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:17.359
<v Speaker 1>because I feel like giving Donald Trump trillions of taxpayer dollars,

0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:20.320
<v Speaker 1>it's basically it's a bank heist and broad daylight. And

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<v Speaker 1>what we do know is to this point, the people

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<v Speaker 1>who need help aren't getting it. And what the president

0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:29.000
<v Speaker 1>is really spending his time doing is focusing on using

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<v Speaker 1>these resources to produce propaganda. I mean, before his ridiculous

0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:37.119
<v Speaker 1>campaign style of briefings, he's making the press corps watch

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<v Speaker 1>these ridiculous videos that he's studies that he's his team

0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:43.440
<v Speaker 1>is putting together on a tax payer time to try

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<v Speaker 1>to do everything he can to deflect away from them

0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:49.600
<v Speaker 1>stakes he has made and promote himself as some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of savior. And you know, the idea that he even

0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:56.399
<v Speaker 1>would delay for one second the sending of some of

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<v Speaker 1>these checks out because he wants his signature on the

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<v Speaker 1>checks is unthinkable propaganda. And it's something that Republicants, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, we're obsessed about the idea of propaganda. During

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<v Speaker 1>the Obama years, they called for investigations about the legality

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<v Speaker 1>of the public relations efforts of the Obama administration. And

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<v Speaker 1>I can tell you firsthand that nothing that Barack Obama

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<v Speaker 1>did came remotely close to the blatan display of propaganda

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<v Speaker 1>that we've seen from Donald Trump in the last week alone.

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<v Speaker 1>And yet tom and again, as we've seen throughout this presidency,

0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:31.479
<v Speaker 1>Republicans who are quick to investigate Obama there are nowhere

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<v Speaker 1>to be seen or heard there instead encouraging people to

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<v Speaker 1>go out there and violate social distancing guidelines. They're encouraging

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<v Speaker 1>people to put their health at risk and put all

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<v Speaker 1>of us at risk. They're encouraging people to arm up

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<v Speaker 1>and weaponize because we all know that the thing that

0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:51.080
<v Speaker 1>we need now is everyone having a gun is that

0:20:51.200 --> 0:20:54.520
<v Speaker 1>usually ends well in this country. And I just don't,

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<v Speaker 1>for the left of me know what the Democrats are

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<v Speaker 1>really doing. I don't see any of them really out

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<v Speaker 1>there talking about any of this in a strong and

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<v Speaker 1>profound and meaningful way. And again, I just I feel

0:21:08.320 --> 0:21:11.480
<v Speaker 1>like they're letting fear and they're letting the right control

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<v Speaker 1>their reactions to things. I mean, the reality is Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump and the bright parts of the world and the

0:21:18.680 --> 0:21:20.320
<v Speaker 1>Fox News is of the world, in the Russell La

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<v Speaker 1>Muzzle world, they're going to accuse the Democrats are playing politics.

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<v Speaker 1>No matter what, they're going to attack the Democrats, they're

0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:27.680
<v Speaker 1>gonna say they're taking lea our rights and our freedoms.

0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:30.000
<v Speaker 1>They've been doing that for a decade now. That's not

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<v Speaker 1>going to change. So Democrats might as well go out

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<v Speaker 1>there and be forceful. I think the American people will

0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:39.159
<v Speaker 1>respond if Democrats are out there being forceful. But if

0:21:39.200 --> 0:21:41.560
<v Speaker 1>they're just gonna let Donald Trump bloviate for hours and

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<v Speaker 1>hours a day without any forceful, organized response, Trump's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>win in November. I just you know, everything that you're

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<v Speaker 1>saying is right and absolutely dead on, and it's it's

0:21:58.080 --> 0:22:00.960
<v Speaker 1>like we're in the midst of a perfect story. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats have been cowtowing to Republicans for decades, right and

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<v Speaker 1>with this and leading by fear and instead of and

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<v Speaker 1>taking the high road and believing that the American people

0:22:14.600 --> 0:22:16.920
<v Speaker 1>are actually better than they are, because I really don't

0:22:16.960 --> 0:22:19.800
<v Speaker 1>think so. I gotta be honest, right when you have

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<v Speaker 1>forty percent of the population that can be swayed by

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<v Speaker 1>a used car salesman that is literally putting you in

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<v Speaker 1>harm's way, and you're saying, yes, I want to send

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<v Speaker 1>my kids back to work. Who cares of two point

0:22:30.200 --> 0:22:33.280
<v Speaker 1>three million of them die like doctor Oz did last

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<v Speaker 1>week and then had to apologize right like again, you're right,

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<v Speaker 1>Where the hell are the Democrats? Where is anybody that

0:22:40.480 --> 0:22:42.960
<v Speaker 1>is punching back in any significant way? And they can't

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<v Speaker 1>tell me, right, because it is the governors right now

0:22:46.880 --> 0:22:49.840
<v Speaker 1>who have the responsibilities of trying to get their their

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<v Speaker 1>residents safe and tested and create a hospital structure that

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't explode. But where are the members of Congress? Right

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<v Speaker 1>In all the while, I want to point out that

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<v Speaker 1>as Republicans and lunatics like like Oz, and Phil I

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<v Speaker 1>won't even call them doctors anymore. In my opinion, they're

0:23:08.359 --> 0:23:10.800
<v Speaker 1>not now. But as they're saying, you know what, let's

0:23:10.880 --> 0:23:14.159
<v Speaker 1>let these people die, how in the world are we

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<v Speaker 1>going to ever let the Republican Party get away with

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<v Speaker 1>calling themselves the pro life party, they're not. They are

0:23:21.720 --> 0:23:25.480
<v Speaker 1>literally willing to let people die who as they cause

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<v Speaker 1>to say, well, they might die anyway, they're old, They

0:23:28.560 --> 0:23:30.840
<v Speaker 1>would they would be glad to sacrifice their lives for

0:23:30.920 --> 0:23:35.199
<v Speaker 1>the economy. This is, you know, all the talk of

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<v Speaker 1>death panels during Obamacare, repuls that are willing to administer

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<v Speaker 1>death because they want their corporate cronies to continue making

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<v Speaker 1>millions and billions of dollars. I mean more than anything too.

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<v Speaker 1>What we're seeing is effectively class warfare, because guess what,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not the billionaires going to be out there on

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<v Speaker 1>the supply chains, working in warehouses, working in restaurants. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not going to be the the the people who benefited

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<v Speaker 1>from Trump's tax cuts that are going to be on

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<v Speaker 1>the front lines of this thing. If if certain states reopen,

0:24:05.200 --> 0:24:07.040
<v Speaker 1>it's going to be the working class, it's going to

0:24:07.160 --> 0:24:09.400
<v Speaker 1>be the lower class. It's going to be people who

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<v Speaker 1>don't have a choice and are having to make the

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<v Speaker 1>impossible decision to choose between their own health and welfare

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<v Speaker 1>and being able to put food on the table and

0:24:19.000 --> 0:24:23.200
<v Speaker 1>keep their families afloat. It's going to be deleased among

0:24:23.280 --> 0:24:27.359
<v Speaker 1>us who suffer the consequences of this reactionary effort by

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans to get people out there again. And and you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I'll say is this is that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I oftentimes believe that Democrats waste a lot of time

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<v Speaker 1>trying to convince the forty percent that Donald Trump is

0:24:42.280 --> 0:24:46.480
<v Speaker 1>bad for them, right, instead instead of focusing on the

0:24:46.640 --> 0:24:49.959
<v Speaker 1>sixty percent that need to be riled up and need

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<v Speaker 1>to be educated on what he's doing, so that this

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<v Speaker 1>time around in twenty twenty, another hundred and five million

0:24:56.640 --> 0:24:59.359
<v Speaker 1>people don't decide to sit on their assets, right like

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<v Speaker 1>this is this is about This isn't about trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get I could give a shit about folks across the aisle.

0:25:06.680 --> 0:25:09.320
<v Speaker 1>I really don't care. Right, you want to go out

0:25:09.359 --> 0:25:11.359
<v Speaker 1>and you want to have rallies with guns and do

0:25:11.440 --> 0:25:13.680
<v Speaker 1>all of these things and infect yourselves and your neighbors,

0:25:13.680 --> 0:25:16.240
<v Speaker 1>and one stay in your own goddamn state. That's that's

0:25:16.359 --> 0:25:18.920
<v Speaker 1>essentially where I am. I don't care. I'm not I'm

0:25:18.960 --> 0:25:21.400
<v Speaker 1>not trying to save people's lives out here who are

0:25:21.400 --> 0:25:24.439
<v Speaker 1>willingly putting themselves in harm's way. But I am talking

0:25:24.440 --> 0:25:28.120
<v Speaker 1>about the sixty percent of people who have some type

0:25:28.160 --> 0:25:34.320
<v Speaker 1>of practical understanding of how viruses work and spread and

0:25:34.720 --> 0:25:38.320
<v Speaker 1>health and wellness right, and those hundred and five million

0:25:38.359 --> 0:25:42.880
<v Speaker 1>people who were not moved into action, Why don't they

0:25:42.920 --> 0:25:47.080
<v Speaker 1>try and talk to those sixty percent instead of continuing

0:25:47.119 --> 0:25:50.040
<v Speaker 1>to concentrate on the forty that we're never getting back.

0:25:50.760 --> 0:25:54.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you haven't come around to the idea yet,

0:25:54.240 --> 0:25:57.960
<v Speaker 1>then Donald Trump is back for your health. There's no

0:25:58.240 --> 0:26:00.280
<v Speaker 1>there's no change in your mind. Now you're gone. You're

0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:02.920
<v Speaker 1>you're so far gone, there's no get you back. And

0:26:03.200 --> 0:26:05.840
<v Speaker 1>it's not even worth at this point trying to save

0:26:05.880 --> 0:26:08.600
<v Speaker 1>those people from themselves. And I think that you're right.

0:26:08.680 --> 0:26:12.080
<v Speaker 1>The attention and our focus is got to be on

0:26:12.240 --> 0:26:15.600
<v Speaker 1>getting people to turn out to vote and getting people

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<v Speaker 1>and to build the coalition that And I believe that

0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:22.640
<v Speaker 1>that coalition, the bedrock of that, the foundation of that

0:26:23.359 --> 0:26:27.560
<v Speaker 1>are people of color, our minorities, are the working class,

0:26:27.600 --> 0:26:31.280
<v Speaker 1>are the people who are being subjected to this economic

0:26:31.320 --> 0:26:33.760
<v Speaker 1>form of tyranny. They're the ones we need to reach.

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<v Speaker 1>They're the ones that we need to get engaged and

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<v Speaker 1>keep informed. Uh. And you know, it's been interesting watching

0:26:40.320 --> 0:26:43.800
<v Speaker 1>the conversation unfold. Ever since Senator Standers got out of

0:26:43.800 --> 0:26:46.679
<v Speaker 1>the race and mister Vice President Biden has been the

0:26:46.680 --> 0:26:49.880
<v Speaker 1>presumptive Democrat nominee, all the talk has been what does

0:26:49.920 --> 0:26:51.720
<v Speaker 1>Biden need to do the window or the burning crowd?

0:26:51.760 --> 0:26:53.760
<v Speaker 1>And in my sense, it's you know, I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>more about what we need to do to ensure that

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<v Speaker 1>that people of color continue to support the Democrats and

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<v Speaker 1>come up the vote because books, to be honest, Biding

0:27:03.640 --> 0:27:06.879
<v Speaker 1>campaign was on life support until African American voters in

0:27:06.880 --> 0:27:11.159
<v Speaker 1>South Carolina one single handily save the Biding campaign. And

0:27:11.200 --> 0:27:13.840
<v Speaker 1>if Biden becomes president, it's going to be because of

0:27:13.880 --> 0:27:17.879
<v Speaker 1>the African American vote and as well as the Hispanic votes.

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<v Speaker 1>Looking at the general election, and so not enough conversations

0:27:21.400 --> 0:27:25.200
<v Speaker 1>being had about people of color, despite the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>in this pandemic, people of color are the ones who

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<v Speaker 1>are disproportionately being impacted by this crisis, who are dying

0:27:31.560 --> 0:27:36.400
<v Speaker 1>in alarmingly high rates. And it's something let me ask

0:27:36.400 --> 0:27:39.960
<v Speaker 1>you something though, Kurt, because you know, I am a

0:27:40.560 --> 0:27:42.439
<v Speaker 1>people like to say that I'm cynical, but I like

0:27:42.480 --> 0:27:46.240
<v Speaker 1>to consider myself a realist. And is it the fact

0:27:46.400 --> 0:27:50.440
<v Speaker 1>that over the past couple of weeks we have learned

0:27:50.440 --> 0:27:54.560
<v Speaker 1>exactly what you just said that African Americans people of color,

0:27:55.080 --> 0:27:57.800
<v Speaker 1>right are generally the ones that are on the front

0:27:57.840 --> 0:28:02.240
<v Speaker 1>lines of this coronavirus because they, in many ways work

0:28:02.320 --> 0:28:06.240
<v Speaker 1>in a lot of the what has been deemed essential work.

0:28:07.440 --> 0:28:12.840
<v Speaker 1>They are working in hospitals and nursing homes and grocery stores,

0:28:15.000 --> 0:28:18.879
<v Speaker 1>and they are doing the work. And it is folks

0:28:18.920 --> 0:28:23.159
<v Speaker 1>that are living in densely populated areas, right. This is

0:28:23.200 --> 0:28:27.800
<v Speaker 1>not Trump's base. So it is part also of the

0:28:27.880 --> 0:28:31.960
<v Speaker 1>callousness here is that it's not his base that's dying off.

0:28:32.400 --> 0:28:35.440
<v Speaker 1>And so what different what does he care what's happening

0:28:35.800 --> 0:28:39.600
<v Speaker 1>in New York City or in San Francisco or in Miami.

0:28:40.520 --> 0:28:43.240
<v Speaker 1>What difference does it make to him because his base

0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:46.800
<v Speaker 1>is out in the in the rural areas. Is that

0:28:46.840 --> 0:28:51.360
<v Speaker 1>they're thinking, I think that you're absolutely on to one

0:28:51.400 --> 0:28:57.960
<v Speaker 1>of the really despicable realities of this president. And they're

0:28:58.000 --> 0:29:02.280
<v Speaker 1>call them party and that is I gearing you if

0:29:02.400 --> 0:29:05.640
<v Speaker 1>the majority of people who are suffering and dying in

0:29:05.760 --> 0:29:10.600
<v Speaker 1>large clusterers were white, and this was in Alabama or

0:29:10.600 --> 0:29:16.040
<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma or Arkansas, you'd be seeing a very different conversation

0:29:16.440 --> 0:29:20.000
<v Speaker 1>from Donald Trump and from the Republicans. If the majority

0:29:20.000 --> 0:29:23.000
<v Speaker 1>of people that were dying were in or white people

0:29:23.040 --> 0:29:26.960
<v Speaker 1>in Florida and Tennessee and Georgia, those governors would not

0:29:27.040 --> 0:29:31.160
<v Speaker 1>be entertaining opening things back up right now. They would

0:29:31.160 --> 0:29:35.320
<v Speaker 1>not be putting all of us at risk. And it's

0:29:35.400 --> 0:29:38.480
<v Speaker 1>because the reality of Trump and Home Party is they

0:29:39.320 --> 0:29:46.000
<v Speaker 1>value minority lives differently they value white people's lives. That's

0:29:46.080 --> 0:29:47.840
<v Speaker 1>just the fact if you look at the rhetoric and

0:29:47.920 --> 0:29:50.480
<v Speaker 1>the policy is that they have championed during the last

0:29:50.520 --> 0:29:54.960
<v Speaker 1>four years. And I think Democrats again, I think Democrats

0:29:55.040 --> 0:29:58.160
<v Speaker 1>need to be aggressive and pointing that out. You know,

0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:01.959
<v Speaker 1>there is a a number of pictures we saw over

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<v Speaker 1>the last couple of days of uh, particularly white men

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<v Speaker 1>with their automatic weapons, uh, you know, in state capitals

0:30:08.800 --> 0:30:11.719
<v Speaker 1>and protesting. And I made the comment on Twitter that

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<v Speaker 1>a few things scare me as much as the side

0:30:13.960 --> 0:30:20.120
<v Speaker 1>of you know, white people with guns and the back

0:30:20.240 --> 0:30:24.840
<v Speaker 1>last that that received from white people. Republican Trump supporters

0:30:25.720 --> 0:30:28.600
<v Speaker 1>was a norm. I've never been called racist so many

0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:33.000
<v Speaker 1>times by white people, uh, which is quite something I

0:30:33.240 --> 0:30:35.840
<v Speaker 1>have to say, But but it just showed me that, Wow,

0:30:35.840 --> 0:30:37.800
<v Speaker 1>that the a that that kind of hit a nerve there.

0:30:38.480 --> 0:30:42.480
<v Speaker 1>And and B I don't think Democrats need should be

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<v Speaker 1>afraid to call these things out that way, because it's

0:30:46.040 --> 0:30:50.920
<v Speaker 1>the truth. And and I think the only way that

0:30:50.960 --> 0:30:52.800
<v Speaker 1>we we're going to have a chance to kind of

0:30:52.800 --> 0:30:55.600
<v Speaker 1>cut through the noise and cut through the noise of

0:30:55.600 --> 0:30:58.400
<v Speaker 1>Trump and Russell and Lunch on Hannity is if we

0:30:58.440 --> 0:31:03.320
<v Speaker 1>speak loudly too, And that's not happening right now. Yeah.

0:31:03.360 --> 0:31:08.840
<v Speaker 1>I just you know, every day I'm asking myself, like,

0:31:09.800 --> 0:31:12.920
<v Speaker 1>where are the voices, where are the people that are

0:31:12.920 --> 0:31:17.760
<v Speaker 1>going to just call bullshit right, like just say what

0:31:17.840 --> 0:31:22.880
<v Speaker 1>it is? And you know today, you know, like every

0:31:22.960 --> 0:31:25.200
<v Speaker 1>day I sit around and I watch MSNBC, and I

0:31:25.240 --> 0:31:27.880
<v Speaker 1>switch between that and CNN and my local news here

0:31:27.920 --> 0:31:32.600
<v Speaker 1>in New York, and I listen to journalists continue to say, oh, well,

0:31:32.640 --> 0:31:35.880
<v Speaker 1>there are good intentions on both sides, and I'm like, no,

0:31:36.000 --> 0:31:39.200
<v Speaker 1>they're not. There are not good intentions on both sides.

0:31:39.360 --> 0:31:43.280
<v Speaker 1>And what is the compulsion to say so in light

0:31:43.320 --> 0:31:49.160
<v Speaker 1>of all of the evidence to the contrary. Yeah, I'm sorry,

0:31:49.160 --> 0:31:51.320
<v Speaker 1>but when you start again, I go back to the

0:31:51.400 --> 0:31:54.160
<v Speaker 1>very beginning of this whole saga. When you refer to

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<v Speaker 1>Charlottesville as good people on both sides, that tells your

0:31:56.800 --> 0:32:00.600
<v Speaker 1>thing you need to know about intentions, and we're the

0:32:00.600 --> 0:32:03.560
<v Speaker 1>party's mind is at when you look the other way,

0:32:03.600 --> 0:32:08.120
<v Speaker 1>As you know, Steve King calls immigrants dirt, when when

0:32:08.200 --> 0:32:12.360
<v Speaker 1>you look at the draconian immigration measures that this administration

0:32:12.400 --> 0:32:16.440
<v Speaker 1>has imposed on Hispanics. Despite all this, we've almost forgotten

0:32:16.480 --> 0:32:19.840
<v Speaker 1>that there's a lot thousands of immigrants in you know,

0:32:19.880 --> 0:32:23.120
<v Speaker 1>modern day concentration camps at the border right now. Uh,

0:32:23.200 --> 0:32:26.280
<v Speaker 1>you know that are effectively enslaved by the Trump administration.

0:32:27.080 --> 0:32:29.880
<v Speaker 1>When this president refers to African nations and ship whole

0:32:29.920 --> 0:32:32.760
<v Speaker 1>countries on and on and on and on. There's no

0:32:32.800 --> 0:32:37.520
<v Speaker 1>good intentions there. There's there's nothing redeemable there. Uh. And

0:32:37.680 --> 0:32:41.000
<v Speaker 1>the people who are cheering that on there's nothing redeemable

0:32:41.040 --> 0:32:43.920
<v Speaker 1>about them either, And there's no changing their mind or

0:32:44.000 --> 0:32:47.120
<v Speaker 1>winning them over or getting them to see the light.

0:32:47.240 --> 0:32:51.880
<v Speaker 1>That's not going to happen. And so trying to have

0:32:51.920 --> 0:32:53.680
<v Speaker 1>a conversation with them is a waste of time. In

0:32:53.680 --> 0:32:57.840
<v Speaker 1>my opinion, it's not something that Democrats should even bother

0:32:58.000 --> 0:33:00.719
<v Speaker 1>doing because every minute and talking to one of them

0:33:00.720 --> 0:33:02.760
<v Speaker 1>as a minute, you're not spending talking to someone that

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<v Speaker 1>can be persuadable, that can turn out the book for you,

0:33:05.400 --> 0:33:07.480
<v Speaker 1>that can actually make a difference in the selection. And

0:33:07.520 --> 0:33:09.920
<v Speaker 1>that's where all of our attention needs to be. It

0:33:10.080 --> 0:33:13.360
<v Speaker 1>is You're absolutely right, it is where all of our

0:33:13.520 --> 0:33:17.280
<v Speaker 1>attention needs to be. Kurt Bardella, thank you so much

0:33:18.480 --> 0:33:24.840
<v Speaker 1>for this very keen insight into Republican ideology and philosophy

0:33:24.960 --> 0:33:27.800
<v Speaker 1>in this moment right now, because it is truly terrifying,

0:33:28.120 --> 0:33:31.400
<v Speaker 1>and I'm not quite sure where Democrats are, but I

0:33:31.440 --> 0:33:34.920
<v Speaker 1>know that you have thrown up the bat signal for

0:33:35.000 --> 0:33:37.800
<v Speaker 1>them in both of your recent writings at the USA

0:33:37.880 --> 0:33:41.000
<v Speaker 1>Today and NBC News. Think my hope is that they

0:33:41.000 --> 0:33:45.120
<v Speaker 1>will see it, or somebody will and do something about it.

0:33:45.200 --> 0:33:48.680
<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much, friend, good talking to you. I

0:33:48.720 --> 0:33:54.360
<v Speaker 1>am so happy to welcome back for our regular Wednesday

0:33:54.640 --> 0:33:59.640
<v Speaker 1>conversation with woke f contributor and author of Dying of

0:33:59.680 --> 0:34:03.880
<v Speaker 1>White How the politics of racial resentment is killing America's heartland,

0:34:03.960 --> 0:34:09.480
<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Metzel. Jonathan, thanks so much, for making this a

0:34:09.600 --> 0:34:14.319
<v Speaker 1>consistent conversation that we get to have weekly while we're

0:34:14.320 --> 0:34:18.160
<v Speaker 1>all working our way through quarantine. It's the highlight of

0:34:18.160 --> 0:34:21.960
<v Speaker 1>my weight. It's great to be here. So you know

0:34:22.080 --> 0:34:24.560
<v Speaker 1>what I love about this is that you and I

0:34:24.640 --> 0:34:29.760
<v Speaker 1>are sharing articles and tweets and conversations that we feel

0:34:29.760 --> 0:34:33.000
<v Speaker 1>like people need to be paying attention to, one of

0:34:33.080 --> 0:34:39.400
<v Speaker 1>which is starting to become really terrifying to me, which

0:34:39.600 --> 0:34:49.400
<v Speaker 1>is this uprising, this white supremacy uprising that is happening

0:34:49.480 --> 0:34:55.279
<v Speaker 1>online where there are some groups and movements that are

0:34:55.360 --> 0:35:01.160
<v Speaker 1>gaining momentum and speed and have been triggered attention by

0:35:01.200 --> 0:35:05.799
<v Speaker 1>the FBI in twenty nineteen, and this Southern Poverty Law

0:35:05.880 --> 0:35:10.759
<v Speaker 1>Center has been following the spread of white domestic terrorism.

0:35:10.800 --> 0:35:14.440
<v Speaker 1>And now there is a push for a second Civil war,

0:35:14.960 --> 0:35:20.600
<v Speaker 1>and in some way, these folks are using the coronavirus

0:35:20.680 --> 0:35:24.360
<v Speaker 1>as a cart that they're going to hitch their ideology too.

0:35:25.000 --> 0:35:29.880
<v Speaker 1>Make it make sense, Jonathan, Well, I think the first

0:35:29.960 --> 0:35:32.759
<v Speaker 1>thing to you know, to keep in mind about what's

0:35:32.800 --> 0:35:35.160
<v Speaker 1>happening now is that it's important to note that what

0:35:35.239 --> 0:35:39.040
<v Speaker 1>we're hearing now with all this language about second Civil

0:35:39.040 --> 0:35:41.560
<v Speaker 1>War and Bogaloo and all that stuff. It's it's been

0:35:42.000 --> 0:35:46.800
<v Speaker 1>kind of rattling around out there since the eighties, really,

0:35:46.960 --> 0:35:49.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, and this has been a very very fringe

0:35:50.160 --> 0:35:55.680
<v Speaker 1>position from some extreme libertarian gun groups basically threatening a

0:35:55.760 --> 0:35:59.239
<v Speaker 1>civil war, and it kind of pops up again, you

0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:02.239
<v Speaker 1>know when you know, around times where people feel like

0:36:02.719 --> 0:36:06.839
<v Speaker 1>the government's going to intervene or the guns are going

0:36:06.840 --> 0:36:09.680
<v Speaker 1>to get taken away, things like that. And I think

0:36:09.680 --> 0:36:12.280
<v Speaker 1>it's important to first of all, note that this is still,

0:36:12.719 --> 0:36:15.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, a pretty fringe position, right in a way.

0:36:15.800 --> 0:36:20.000
<v Speaker 1>There are many many libertarians and gun owners who would

0:36:20.080 --> 0:36:23.640
<v Speaker 1>never support this kind of position. But I do think

0:36:23.680 --> 0:36:27.239
<v Speaker 1>that in this moment where we're all kind of you know,

0:36:27.440 --> 0:36:31.480
<v Speaker 1>this is just a moment where extreme positions are being manipulated, right,

0:36:32.000 --> 0:36:34.480
<v Speaker 1>And I think what's happening is that a lot of

0:36:34.480 --> 0:36:37.480
<v Speaker 1>these arguments, particularly in relation to a lot of these

0:36:37.800 --> 0:36:40.480
<v Speaker 1>protests that are popping up among fringe groups to kind

0:36:40.520 --> 0:36:44.400
<v Speaker 1>of get out in the public, bring your air fifteen protests,

0:36:44.400 --> 0:36:46.360
<v Speaker 1>to stay at home order, all these kind of things

0:36:46.800 --> 0:36:49.959
<v Speaker 1>that it's really given an avenue for I think, really,

0:36:50.000 --> 0:36:54.440
<v Speaker 1>at least online a resurgence of very extreme extreme positions

0:36:54.800 --> 0:36:57.239
<v Speaker 1>and the possibility at least in social media that they're

0:36:57.320 --> 0:36:59.359
<v Speaker 1>entering the mainstream. And so the other part of this

0:36:59.480 --> 0:37:02.720
<v Speaker 1>is that even though this is a French position, anytime

0:37:02.800 --> 0:37:06.799
<v Speaker 1>you have lots of people talking about planning sedition or

0:37:06.920 --> 0:37:11.960
<v Speaker 1>violence against minorities or the police or politicians, you know,

0:37:11.840 --> 0:37:14.399
<v Speaker 1>you have to take that very very seriously, especially when

0:37:14.400 --> 0:37:18.400
<v Speaker 1>it's tied to a lot of weapons. And so in

0:37:18.400 --> 0:37:21.000
<v Speaker 1>a way, even if it's a French position in this moment,

0:37:22.320 --> 0:37:26.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's a threat, especially if people are heavily armed,

0:37:26.200 --> 0:37:29.560
<v Speaker 1>and so you know, it's it's it's something that our

0:37:29.560 --> 0:37:32.799
<v Speaker 1>country dealt with very directly, you know, in the aftermath

0:37:32.800 --> 0:37:36.719
<v Speaker 1>of that Kim and Dave McVeigh Oklahoma City stuff and

0:37:36.760 --> 0:37:39.320
<v Speaker 1>all that. You know, we really had a very concerted

0:37:39.400 --> 0:37:42.279
<v Speaker 1>effort to deal with white, white supremacist groups and and

0:37:42.800 --> 0:37:46.040
<v Speaker 1>militant groups like this. And I think really it's pretty

0:37:46.080 --> 0:37:48.560
<v Speaker 1>vital right now that we that we take this threat

0:37:48.600 --> 0:37:52.680
<v Speaker 1>seriously as well, again, because the you know, there's so

0:37:52.719 --> 0:37:57.000
<v Speaker 1>much uncertainty, there's so much anxiety, there's you know, economic downturn,

0:37:57.040 --> 0:37:59.440
<v Speaker 1>all these factors. So this is a time where the

0:37:59.640 --> 0:38:02.040
<v Speaker 1>rise of an armed fringe group I think would be

0:38:02.360 --> 0:38:05.120
<v Speaker 1>particularly risky and and hopefully this is something that we

0:38:05.160 --> 0:38:09.240
<v Speaker 1>would be taking very seriously. So it's NBC News that

0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:15.799
<v Speaker 1>is reporting on the Network Contagion Research Institute n CRII

0:38:16.320 --> 0:38:19.960
<v Speaker 1>an independent nonprofit of scientists and engineers that tracks and

0:38:20.040 --> 0:38:23.839
<v Speaker 1>reports on misinformation and hate speech across social media. They've

0:38:23.840 --> 0:38:29.640
<v Speaker 1>released a report yesterday yesterday evening, and in their report

0:38:29.840 --> 0:38:35.280
<v Speaker 1>they are talking about this anti government movement right where

0:38:35.400 --> 0:38:41.200
<v Speaker 1>there is this desire of a violent uprising that is

0:38:41.280 --> 0:38:45.480
<v Speaker 1>going to like you're saying, target law enforcement, target different

0:38:47.440 --> 0:38:54.520
<v Speaker 1>minority groups. And what I find really scary about this, Jonathan,

0:38:54.960 --> 0:38:57.759
<v Speaker 1>is that we are seeing these people, right, We are

0:38:57.800 --> 0:39:03.439
<v Speaker 1>seeing these heavily armed folks at these rallies that are

0:39:04.239 --> 0:39:07.560
<v Speaker 1>when I look at them, I think to myself, how

0:39:07.640 --> 0:39:10.640
<v Speaker 1>dumb are people? Right? Like I can't I can't wrap

0:39:10.719 --> 0:39:15.760
<v Speaker 1>my mind around protesting a virus and protesting against people

0:39:15.800 --> 0:39:19.080
<v Speaker 1>that are trying to keep you safe because you without

0:39:19.160 --> 0:39:23.960
<v Speaker 1>your MD, without any you know, education in science or

0:39:24.080 --> 0:39:26.839
<v Speaker 1>data or research or any of these things. That these

0:39:26.880 --> 0:39:30.280
<v Speaker 1>people are taking to television and saying that their rights

0:39:30.320 --> 0:39:33.480
<v Speaker 1>are being trampled upon. And what I have started to

0:39:33.600 --> 0:39:36.680
<v Speaker 1>understand and believe, and I want to know this through

0:39:36.760 --> 0:39:40.560
<v Speaker 1>your research in your writing. There's a fundamental difference in

0:39:40.719 --> 0:39:50.600
<v Speaker 1>understanding between white conservative, white ringer right wingers who use

0:39:50.680 --> 0:39:56.120
<v Speaker 1>the term liberty and everyone else who uses the term

0:39:56.800 --> 0:40:01.640
<v Speaker 1>liberty and freedom. They're liberty and free them to me right,

0:40:01.800 --> 0:40:06.360
<v Speaker 1>these white supremacist groups is about their ability to spread

0:40:06.400 --> 0:40:10.360
<v Speaker 1>their hate and to oppress others. And if they don't

0:40:10.400 --> 0:40:13.279
<v Speaker 1>have the ability to do that, they believe that their

0:40:13.320 --> 0:40:16.640
<v Speaker 1>freedoms are taking away being taken away from them. When

0:40:16.680 --> 0:40:19.640
<v Speaker 1>the rest of us talk about freedom and liberty, it's

0:40:19.960 --> 0:40:24.000
<v Speaker 1>free to exist, right, and for the laws to actually

0:40:24.040 --> 0:40:27.440
<v Speaker 1>work for all people in the same way. We have

0:40:27.600 --> 0:40:32.799
<v Speaker 1>a fundamental difference here, and so how do you how

0:40:32.800 --> 0:40:35.480
<v Speaker 1>do you how do you even how do we even

0:40:35.600 --> 0:40:39.719
<v Speaker 1>go about trying to deal with this group when we

0:40:39.800 --> 0:40:46.400
<v Speaker 1>don't have the same foundational understanding of basic things. Well,

0:40:46.440 --> 0:40:48.799
<v Speaker 1>you know, again, I think that it's it's such a

0:40:48.960 --> 0:40:52.640
<v Speaker 1>it's such a vital and in many ways terrifying moments. Again,

0:40:52.719 --> 0:40:58.399
<v Speaker 1>because the conditions for extremism m a are. I mean,

0:40:58.400 --> 0:41:02.400
<v Speaker 1>this is a kind of atmospe sphere historically where extremism rises.

0:41:02.440 --> 0:41:05.000
<v Speaker 1>If you think about the rise of you know, Nazi

0:41:05.080 --> 0:41:09.720
<v Speaker 1>Germany for example, you know, catastrophic economic downturn, people looking

0:41:09.760 --> 0:41:12.400
<v Speaker 1>for some answer, people looking for somebody else to blame,

0:41:13.719 --> 0:41:16.920
<v Speaker 1>and weapons and military all those kind of things, And

0:41:16.920 --> 0:41:20.080
<v Speaker 1>so I think now now is the time that we

0:41:20.160 --> 0:41:24.399
<v Speaker 1>really have to be particularly vigilant and particularly about ideologies

0:41:24.440 --> 0:41:27.920
<v Speaker 1>like this UM that's spread among people who are feeling

0:41:27.920 --> 0:41:32.800
<v Speaker 1>disaffected and dis empowered UM and are also very armed.

0:41:32.800 --> 0:41:35.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's there's a you know, a pretty um.

0:41:35.840 --> 0:41:38.680
<v Speaker 1>You know, the message about weapons is pretty inconsistent because

0:41:38.680 --> 0:41:40.799
<v Speaker 1>it's always about the government's going to come take away

0:41:40.800 --> 0:41:46.120
<v Speaker 1>your weapons. But the government's basically handing you weapons right now,

0:41:46.160 --> 0:41:48.680
<v Speaker 1>so so that that's not that's an issue. But you know,

0:41:48.680 --> 0:41:52.440
<v Speaker 1>but but this ideology is, you know, it's against Congress,

0:41:52.520 --> 0:41:56.000
<v Speaker 1>basically saying Congress has no power, it's against minorities, it's

0:41:56.040 --> 0:41:58.040
<v Speaker 1>threatening all these kind of things. And whether or not

0:41:58.120 --> 0:42:01.759
<v Speaker 1>that happens, UM, you know, I think the important point

0:42:01.920 --> 0:42:05.640
<v Speaker 1>is that fringe ideologies have been present for some time.

0:42:05.760 --> 0:42:09.920
<v Speaker 1>We're different now. Number one. Number one is just the climate,

0:42:10.160 --> 0:42:15.000
<v Speaker 1>right and the despair. But number two is, you know,

0:42:16.000 --> 0:42:19.040
<v Speaker 1>you need responsible leadership to say this is not what

0:42:19.120 --> 0:42:21.880
<v Speaker 1>America stands for. This is not something that we're going

0:42:21.880 --> 0:42:25.080
<v Speaker 1>to tolerate. You know, this is where we need, like

0:42:25.800 --> 0:42:30.560
<v Speaker 1>the Justice Department and the Office of the President to

0:42:30.680 --> 0:42:34.560
<v Speaker 1>basically be saying this is not who we are, and

0:42:34.920 --> 0:42:38.600
<v Speaker 1>we're going to come together national unity and messages in

0:42:38.640 --> 0:42:41.160
<v Speaker 1>the face of this. And that's even what happens after

0:42:41.239 --> 0:42:46.360
<v Speaker 1>the Oklahoma City episode, is that people came together. But

0:42:46.400 --> 0:42:49.719
<v Speaker 1>instead right now we're seeing the opposite, right, We're seeing

0:42:49.840 --> 0:42:56.120
<v Speaker 1>the Trump administration really foment divisiveness by playing to a

0:42:56.120 --> 0:42:58.080
<v Speaker 1>lot of radical groups. And not to say that they

0:42:58.160 --> 0:43:01.560
<v Speaker 1>themselves are actively threatening violence, but all these things about

0:43:01.600 --> 0:43:05.320
<v Speaker 1>like liberate states and your Second Amendment to ender attack,

0:43:05.360 --> 0:43:08.560
<v Speaker 1>those are those are code words, right, This idea that

0:43:08.560 --> 0:43:10.440
<v Speaker 1>people are going to come take away your guns. That

0:43:10.560 --> 0:43:14.560
<v Speaker 1>that's part of what this whole. But it isn't a

0:43:14.640 --> 0:43:17.640
<v Speaker 1>code word, right like it like the president is no

0:43:17.800 --> 0:43:21.480
<v Speaker 1>longer the president and this administration the Trump administration, they

0:43:21.560 --> 0:43:27.399
<v Speaker 1>aren't speaking in code anymore. They are actually being incredibly bold, right,

0:43:27.760 --> 0:43:31.200
<v Speaker 1>and transparent about what it is that they want. When

0:43:31.200 --> 0:43:35.879
<v Speaker 1>the President tweets liberate Ohio, Liberate Michigan, he knows what

0:43:35.920 --> 0:43:39.200
<v Speaker 1>he's doing, So why aren't we calling out what he

0:43:39.320 --> 0:43:42.200
<v Speaker 1>is doing? Right? You know, in in front of the

0:43:42.600 --> 0:43:47.399
<v Speaker 1>Texas State Capital tweet from Natalie Allison. Right, there was

0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:56.600
<v Speaker 1>the American flag, Trump flags, Betsy Ross flags, and troopers

0:43:56.719 --> 0:43:59.319
<v Speaker 1>that are there that are not doing anything. And I

0:43:59.360 --> 0:44:02.200
<v Speaker 1>can't imagine that if there was a oh, I don't know,

0:44:02.520 --> 0:44:08.279
<v Speaker 1>a Black Lives Matter rally that was being held, right,

0:44:09.080 --> 0:44:11.960
<v Speaker 1>that troops would not be arresting people and telling you

0:44:12.000 --> 0:44:15.880
<v Speaker 1>that you're endangering the public's help and throwing these people

0:44:15.960 --> 0:44:18.520
<v Speaker 1>in jail and charging them with like a federal crime.

0:44:19.000 --> 0:44:22.680
<v Speaker 1>What is happening here? Well, there's certainly a long history.

0:44:22.719 --> 0:44:24.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I write about this and dying of whiteness

0:44:24.640 --> 0:44:27.000
<v Speaker 1>and other stuff I've written that. You know, there is

0:44:27.400 --> 0:44:29.200
<v Speaker 1>a long history in this country of kind of the

0:44:29.280 --> 0:44:34.040
<v Speaker 1>stereotype of the armed white patriot versus the armed black

0:44:34.160 --> 0:44:37.759
<v Speaker 1>criminal or gang bangler or foodlum. You know. So there

0:44:37.760 --> 0:44:40.200
<v Speaker 1>are all these ways in which those stereotypes play out

0:44:40.239 --> 0:44:42.200
<v Speaker 1>in terms of really who gets to carry a gun

0:44:42.200 --> 0:44:46.160
<v Speaker 1>and stuff like, much more broadly, who gets protests. When

0:44:46.160 --> 0:44:48.279
<v Speaker 1>I saw those troopers in Texas and the same thing

0:44:48.280 --> 0:44:50.200
<v Speaker 1>in Nashville, I did also kind of think that the

0:44:50.239 --> 0:44:54.719
<v Speaker 1>troopers were worried about catching the coronavirus from the protesters,

0:44:54.719 --> 0:44:56.480
<v Speaker 1>so they probably also didn't want to get close to

0:44:56.520 --> 0:44:59.080
<v Speaker 1>them because they didn't want to get sick. There's an

0:44:59.080 --> 0:45:02.560
<v Speaker 1>out of layer, right, what's happening. But I certainly would

0:45:02.560 --> 0:45:06.160
<v Speaker 1>agree with what you're saying, and other people like Abraham

0:45:06.239 --> 0:45:09.200
<v Speaker 1>Kendy have been writing about this that basically, you know,

0:45:09.239 --> 0:45:12.839
<v Speaker 1>who has the rights of protests. But again I also

0:45:13.000 --> 0:45:15.839
<v Speaker 1>think that in a way, this is the time. I mean,

0:45:15.880 --> 0:45:19.280
<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you honestly, and when when the pandemic started,

0:45:19.480 --> 0:45:21.759
<v Speaker 1>I was actually rooting for Trump, right, I said, this,

0:45:21.960 --> 0:45:24.520
<v Speaker 1>here's the time where you can actually show that you're

0:45:24.520 --> 0:45:26.919
<v Speaker 1>the leader of everybody. Here's where we come together. Here's

0:45:26.960 --> 0:45:29.600
<v Speaker 1>a time where we re establish what this country stands for.

0:45:30.520 --> 0:45:34.760
<v Speaker 1>Um And this was an opportunity to like bring people together.

0:45:35.200 --> 0:45:39.239
<v Speaker 1>And I think really all this divisiveness is masking just

0:45:39.320 --> 0:45:43.200
<v Speaker 1>the catastrophic failure of the administration to predict this, to

0:45:43.440 --> 0:45:47.920
<v Speaker 1>implement testing, to save our economy, and so all of

0:45:47.920 --> 0:45:50.040
<v Speaker 1>the stuff is a bunch of noise. I mean, it's

0:45:50.040 --> 0:45:54.160
<v Speaker 1>effective noise, but it's effective noise that's distracting people when really,

0:45:54.560 --> 0:45:56.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean this was a gold This is a golden

0:45:56.160 --> 0:45:58.920
<v Speaker 1>opportunity for Trump to honestly be a great president and

0:45:58.960 --> 0:46:02.960
<v Speaker 1>a crisis. You know, people were saying it's it's his

0:46:03.160 --> 0:46:05.840
<v Speaker 1>nine to eleven, but really he is the nine eleven

0:46:05.960 --> 0:46:09.440
<v Speaker 1>right now. I mean he's he's really, you know, I

0:46:09.480 --> 0:46:13.200
<v Speaker 1>mean he's really, he's he's he's implementing this kind of thing.

0:46:13.200 --> 0:46:15.480
<v Speaker 1>And I tell you that those liberate tweets, and I

0:46:15.520 --> 0:46:17.680
<v Speaker 1>think the important thing about those tweets again, even though

0:46:17.719 --> 0:46:20.279
<v Speaker 1>people saw what he was doing, is that if you

0:46:20.360 --> 0:46:23.560
<v Speaker 1>if you studied the white extremist literature, he was using

0:46:23.600 --> 0:46:26.719
<v Speaker 1>that exact same language. I mean, this idea of all

0:46:26.920 --> 0:46:29.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, the Second Civil War. The last time it

0:46:29.360 --> 0:46:31.959
<v Speaker 1>came up was in response to what are called red

0:46:31.960 --> 0:46:36.600
<v Speaker 1>flag laws, which are centrist. You know, it empowers family

0:46:36.600 --> 0:46:41.279
<v Speaker 1>members to have to potentially have weapons are removed from

0:46:41.280 --> 0:46:44.960
<v Speaker 1>a family member who was threatening domestic violence or suicide.

0:46:46.560 --> 0:46:49.400
<v Speaker 1>And it's only a thirty day restriction on your gun rights.

0:46:49.440 --> 0:46:52.560
<v Speaker 1>But when when this started happening, all these groups started

0:46:52.560 --> 0:46:56.360
<v Speaker 1>basically saying, the government's coming for your guns and protect

0:46:56.400 --> 0:46:58.520
<v Speaker 1>your Second Amendments, all this kind of stuff. And that's

0:46:58.520 --> 0:47:01.799
<v Speaker 1>where this Googlealoo stuff started to write us again. And

0:47:01.800 --> 0:47:04.319
<v Speaker 1>so the fact that Trump was using that language in

0:47:04.320 --> 0:47:07.520
<v Speaker 1>some of these suits and playing to this and alstering

0:47:07.960 --> 0:47:12.080
<v Speaker 1>this divisiveness, of course, is an attempt to move the

0:47:12.200 --> 0:47:15.920
<v Speaker 1>lens away from his own failure here, his administration's failure,

0:47:18.120 --> 0:47:20.640
<v Speaker 1>but it's also playing right into the hands of I mean,

0:47:20.640 --> 0:47:23.040
<v Speaker 1>it's really in a way, playing right into the hands

0:47:23.040 --> 0:47:29.160
<v Speaker 1>of this this armed extremism. You know, I'm watching these

0:47:29.200 --> 0:47:37.359
<v Speaker 1>clips and I'm seeing brave nurses, doctors get out into

0:47:37.400 --> 0:47:44.400
<v Speaker 1>the streets and have their own um protests right standing

0:47:44.680 --> 0:47:49.920
<v Speaker 1>in in contrast to these rabid fools, which is that's

0:47:50.080 --> 0:47:53.399
<v Speaker 1>that's my term, that's my language, not yours, but that's

0:47:53.400 --> 0:47:57.759
<v Speaker 1>what they are. And these doctors and nurses I can

0:47:57.840 --> 0:48:01.040
<v Speaker 1>only imagine but by the looks on their faces that

0:48:01.200 --> 0:48:09.879
<v Speaker 1>underneath their mass is the extreme disappointment and disgust. Right

0:48:10.320 --> 0:48:15.760
<v Speaker 1>they aren't seeing their families. They are working some close

0:48:15.800 --> 0:48:19.000
<v Speaker 1>to twenty four hours a day to save lives, and

0:48:19.120 --> 0:48:25.200
<v Speaker 1>these ignorant, horrific people are berating them for keeping the

0:48:25.239 --> 0:48:29.560
<v Speaker 1>country closed, Like how did we get here? You know,

0:48:29.680 --> 0:48:32.799
<v Speaker 1>I know that I asked that in a part of

0:48:32.800 --> 0:48:34.600
<v Speaker 1>me wants an answer, but a part of me knows

0:48:34.600 --> 0:48:37.600
<v Speaker 1>that there is no answer because it's so layered and complex.

0:48:39.160 --> 0:48:43.840
<v Speaker 1>But Donald Trump didn't just he didn't create this division,

0:48:43.960 --> 0:48:47.799
<v Speaker 1>but he sure is hell capitalized on it. But from

0:48:47.800 --> 0:48:50.400
<v Speaker 1>the tea party until now, how did we get to

0:48:50.480 --> 0:48:56.680
<v Speaker 1>a place where we don't believe science, where we don't

0:48:56.680 --> 0:49:00.359
<v Speaker 1>believe leadership, where we don't believe the media, and they're

0:49:00.360 --> 0:49:05.880
<v Speaker 1>trying to keep us safe, right? I mean, you know,

0:49:05.920 --> 0:49:10.399
<v Speaker 1>it's as as a person who in healthcare myself, with

0:49:10.400 --> 0:49:14.200
<v Speaker 1>family members and healthcare and obviously friends and colleagues and students,

0:49:14.280 --> 0:49:17.320
<v Speaker 1>I can say that the remarkable thing about the healthcare

0:49:17.360 --> 0:49:21.400
<v Speaker 1>stories is that when people come to the hospital, healthcare

0:49:21.400 --> 0:49:24.839
<v Speaker 1>workers aren't asking what your political ideology is. They risk

0:49:24.880 --> 0:49:30.880
<v Speaker 1>alize for everybody. And so the selflessness and the heroes

0:49:31.040 --> 0:49:35.759
<v Speaker 1>of first responders healthcare workers right now is really such

0:49:35.800 --> 0:49:39.640
<v Speaker 1>a juxtaposition to some of these images we're seeing. Again,

0:49:39.680 --> 0:49:42.759
<v Speaker 1>I think it's really important to remember that there are

0:49:42.800 --> 0:49:46.360
<v Speaker 1>many people across the board who don't agree with what's happening,

0:49:46.480 --> 0:49:50.520
<v Speaker 1>and so I continue to say, as we were talking

0:49:50.520 --> 0:49:53.320
<v Speaker 1>about last week, that I still believe that this is

0:49:53.360 --> 0:49:56.879
<v Speaker 1>a moment of a possible alliance. It's hard because we're

0:49:56.880 --> 0:50:01.640
<v Speaker 1>all locked in our own, you know, social distances right now,

0:50:01.840 --> 0:50:04.239
<v Speaker 1>but I do think that if you just look at

0:50:04.280 --> 0:50:06.560
<v Speaker 1>opinion polls, there's still a lot of people that think

0:50:06.640 --> 0:50:08.920
<v Speaker 1>social distancing is what we should be doing, the trust

0:50:08.920 --> 0:50:14.240
<v Speaker 1>healthcare workers that have lost loved ones or suffered financial consequences.

0:50:14.280 --> 0:50:16.960
<v Speaker 1>And so again, I think the possibility of joining together

0:50:17.040 --> 0:50:20.480
<v Speaker 1>right now is more powerful than these than these horrific

0:50:20.480 --> 0:50:23.600
<v Speaker 1>images or these protests. But I also think that the

0:50:23.719 --> 0:50:26.799
<v Speaker 1>more Trump kind of bans these flames, the more the

0:50:26.800 --> 0:50:31.520
<v Speaker 1>more you know, just the more serious this issue becomes.

0:50:31.640 --> 0:50:37.920
<v Speaker 1>And especially because it's not just these these these protests.

0:50:37.920 --> 0:50:42.120
<v Speaker 1>Clearly these protests are being used as cover to push

0:50:42.480 --> 0:50:46.160
<v Speaker 1>to reopen economies far in advance of when that should

0:50:46.200 --> 0:50:48.360
<v Speaker 1>be happening, which I think is going to be a

0:50:48.440 --> 0:50:51.560
<v Speaker 1>much bigger problem ultimately. And so again I think that

0:50:52.080 --> 0:50:55.760
<v Speaker 1>I think that you know, I'm sure that there's an

0:50:55.840 --> 0:50:58.959
<v Speaker 1>ideology which if people readying a rightness I talk about

0:50:59.000 --> 0:51:02.040
<v Speaker 1>the idol, is quite a bit about this kind of

0:51:03.120 --> 0:51:05.960
<v Speaker 1>kind of particular formulation of whiteness. But I also think

0:51:06.000 --> 0:51:11.120
<v Speaker 1>that these protests are being used to promote agenda as

0:51:11.160 --> 0:51:14.759
<v Speaker 1>they're much more dangerous, which are reopening the country before

0:51:14.800 --> 0:51:17.759
<v Speaker 1>it's sake to do so, which is going to lead

0:51:17.800 --> 0:51:21.680
<v Speaker 1>to coronavirus too, which is going to be worse than

0:51:21.719 --> 0:51:26.560
<v Speaker 1>coronavirus one. And so you know, it's both the protests themselves,

0:51:26.840 --> 0:51:29.120
<v Speaker 1>but it's also what the protests are being used for,

0:51:29.280 --> 0:51:32.520
<v Speaker 1>what cover it's giving, what coverage given to president, and

0:51:32.520 --> 0:51:38.279
<v Speaker 1>what agenda is coming in underneath that. I just you know, Um,

0:51:38.880 --> 0:51:45.879
<v Speaker 1>we have Brian Kemp, the governor of Georgia, who has

0:51:45.920 --> 0:51:50.640
<v Speaker 1>announced that Georgia will be reopening. Even though Georgia was

0:51:50.760 --> 0:51:55.840
<v Speaker 1>one of the last states to even authorize any type

0:51:55.840 --> 0:52:02.880
<v Speaker 1>of closing, their numbers are on the rise, and he

0:52:02.960 --> 0:52:05.800
<v Speaker 1>has vowed by the end of the week that Georgia

0:52:05.840 --> 0:52:13.600
<v Speaker 1>will be reopened, including barbershops, nail salons, bowling alleys, all

0:52:13.640 --> 0:52:17.680
<v Speaker 1>of these places. Right, we have no vaccine, they have

0:52:17.719 --> 0:52:22.480
<v Speaker 1>no guidelines that are in place. Florida, another Republican governor,

0:52:23.200 --> 0:52:29.400
<v Speaker 1>has reopened beaches. I mean, your book is called Dying

0:52:29.440 --> 0:52:34.080
<v Speaker 1>of Whiteness, but white people are are genuinely going to

0:52:34.239 --> 0:52:39.160
<v Speaker 1>kill everyone else because if they're ignorance, And I just

0:52:39.280 --> 0:52:42.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Jonathan, I don't know how where we

0:52:42.760 --> 0:52:49.080
<v Speaker 1>go from here. I don't know how you have create

0:52:49.400 --> 0:52:54.440
<v Speaker 1>sense here, how you keep people safe when they only

0:52:54.480 --> 0:52:58.359
<v Speaker 1>believe one set of people and those are people who

0:52:58.400 --> 0:53:03.279
<v Speaker 1>have built careers on line to them. You know, it's

0:53:03.360 --> 0:53:06.759
<v Speaker 1>it's interesting because there's no mystery here. We have models

0:53:06.800 --> 0:53:11.400
<v Speaker 1>for how to emerge safely from the phase one of

0:53:11.440 --> 0:53:15.520
<v Speaker 1>the coronavirus crisis, which we've just passed through. There's now

0:53:15.600 --> 0:53:20.319
<v Speaker 1>an entire planet, an entire globe of models, and we

0:53:20.400 --> 0:53:24.239
<v Speaker 1>know that the countries could have done this safely have

0:53:24.600 --> 0:53:31.560
<v Speaker 1>done very very slow, strategic, stepwise re entries, you know,

0:53:31.719 --> 0:53:34.719
<v Speaker 1>first the essential businesses and other kinds of businesses. But

0:53:34.800 --> 0:53:39.680
<v Speaker 1>they do so with testing, with strict guidelines for everybody

0:53:39.719 --> 0:53:44.360
<v Speaker 1>to keep everybody else safe, and then slowly but surely

0:53:44.520 --> 0:53:48.480
<v Speaker 1>they kind of slowly reopen, but not exactly like it

0:53:48.560 --> 0:53:50.640
<v Speaker 1>was before, because we don't have a vaccine and we

0:53:50.640 --> 0:53:53.560
<v Speaker 1>don't have immunity as a species. And so if you

0:53:53.640 --> 0:53:57.439
<v Speaker 1>look at even places that we're getting hammered by the coronavirus,

0:53:57.760 --> 0:54:00.600
<v Speaker 1>places like Spain for example, and all those places that

0:54:00.640 --> 0:54:03.799
<v Speaker 1>are just doing this really well, like New Zealand or

0:54:03.840 --> 0:54:08.120
<v Speaker 1>South Korea, their death their deaths are very very low,

0:54:08.280 --> 0:54:13.000
<v Speaker 1>and their infection rates are below there's an infection number one.

0:54:13.160 --> 0:54:16.720
<v Speaker 1>They're below one, which means a person with a virus

0:54:16.840 --> 0:54:20.440
<v Speaker 1>isn't automatically infecting one other person. So there are great

0:54:20.520 --> 0:54:22.480
<v Speaker 1>models out there. We don't even have to reinvent the

0:54:22.480 --> 0:54:26.040
<v Speaker 1>wheel at all. And then on the flip side, there

0:54:26.080 --> 0:54:32.399
<v Speaker 1>are ongoing infection pandemic out of control models, which we've seen,

0:54:32.440 --> 0:54:36.080
<v Speaker 1>for example, in small doses even in this country, in

0:54:36.480 --> 0:54:40.160
<v Speaker 1>meat plants in South Dakota, and in nursing homes and

0:54:40.239 --> 0:54:43.600
<v Speaker 1>in places where people just don't just open up without

0:54:43.640 --> 0:54:47.720
<v Speaker 1>any of that framework, and what happens is dramatic rises

0:54:47.800 --> 0:54:51.359
<v Speaker 1>in infection and death rates. And so what Georgia is doing,

0:54:51.400 --> 0:54:55.120
<v Speaker 1>for example, I mean, it's just there's no doubt that

0:54:55.600 --> 0:54:59.080
<v Speaker 1>what's going to happen is is just much more infection.

0:54:59.160 --> 0:55:01.040
<v Speaker 1>And it's not like some of the people are going

0:55:01.080 --> 0:55:03.239
<v Speaker 1>to be sick and everybody's going to be healthy. Um,

0:55:03.600 --> 0:55:06.680
<v Speaker 1>the people that are healthy are going to become carriers

0:55:06.680 --> 0:55:10.719
<v Speaker 1>and then come back and infect people they know. And so, um,

0:55:10.880 --> 0:55:13.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, I was reading about Georgia and they're opening theaters,

0:55:13.840 --> 0:55:17.280
<v Speaker 1>you know. Um, it's it's it's it's like the codebook.

0:55:17.360 --> 0:55:20.120
<v Speaker 1>It's like the casebook for what not to do and

0:55:20.360 --> 0:55:24.520
<v Speaker 1>and and so this idea of you know, the economy,

0:55:24.560 --> 0:55:26.520
<v Speaker 1>I just I don't know how the economy works when

0:55:26.520 --> 0:55:31.280
<v Speaker 1>you're you know, potentially threatening the lives of twenty percent

0:55:31.320 --> 0:55:34.040
<v Speaker 1>of your workers and thirty percent of your customers and

0:55:34.080 --> 0:55:36.560
<v Speaker 1>and things like that. You know. So it's just that

0:55:37.160 --> 0:55:40.440
<v Speaker 1>the modeling for this is horrible, and I and I'm

0:55:41.200 --> 0:55:43.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, I can all I can say is that

0:55:43.280 --> 0:55:47.680
<v Speaker 1>I hope common sense prevails or that there's some real

0:55:47.719 --> 0:55:51.799
<v Speaker 1>plan beneath this big, big public plan, because it would

0:55:51.840 --> 0:55:54.120
<v Speaker 1>just do it the way that places like Georgia are saying.

0:55:54.239 --> 0:55:57.120
<v Speaker 1>It's going to be catastrophic. And not only that, as

0:55:57.120 --> 0:55:59.240
<v Speaker 1>it was seen from the first round of the coronavirus.

0:56:00.000 --> 0:56:01.759
<v Speaker 1>You know, the people who get hit the worst or

0:56:01.800 --> 0:56:05.520
<v Speaker 1>the people who are the most vulnerable, and so even

0:56:05.520 --> 0:56:07.920
<v Speaker 1>though people suffer across the board, it's just gonna it's

0:56:07.960 --> 0:56:13.359
<v Speaker 1>just gonna have really really bad effects for for vulnerable populations.

0:56:13.440 --> 0:56:16.040
<v Speaker 1>And so in that regard, you know, it's it's it's

0:56:16.080 --> 0:56:19.040
<v Speaker 1>almost like disbelieve that that this is happening, but it's

0:56:19.080 --> 0:56:21.600
<v Speaker 1>it's not a very rational moment for for some of

0:56:21.640 --> 0:56:25.040
<v Speaker 1>our leaders, not enough for others. Well, we're going to

0:56:25.080 --> 0:56:27.799
<v Speaker 1>have to keep our eye on all that is unfolding,

0:56:27.880 --> 0:56:31.040
<v Speaker 1>because my fear is that there isn't enough attention that

0:56:31.200 --> 0:56:34.120
<v Speaker 1>is being paid to the fact that these groups are

0:56:34.160 --> 0:56:38.560
<v Speaker 1>growing like wildfire on social media, on Facebook, on Reddit,

0:56:39.400 --> 0:56:43.440
<v Speaker 1>on Instagram, that they are using memes and inside jokes

0:56:43.480 --> 0:56:50.400
<v Speaker 1>in terms like boogaloo um to perpetuate their desire, which

0:56:50.480 --> 0:56:54.919
<v Speaker 1>is essentially, uh, mass murder, right, Like, that's what they're

0:56:54.960 --> 0:56:58.120
<v Speaker 1>that's what they're doing, that's what they're angling for. Uh.

0:56:58.280 --> 0:57:01.080
<v Speaker 1>And they have a friend in the White House, and

0:57:01.200 --> 0:57:03.800
<v Speaker 1>they have a friends, they have friends in law enforcement.

0:57:04.280 --> 0:57:09.080
<v Speaker 1>Because when I see these pictures of angry white faces,

0:57:09.760 --> 0:57:13.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, banging at doors and wanting to open up

0:57:13.600 --> 0:57:17.760
<v Speaker 1>businesses and having complete and total disregard for public safety,

0:57:17.800 --> 0:57:22.080
<v Speaker 1>for public health, only their desires matter. And this is

0:57:22.120 --> 0:57:25.560
<v Speaker 1>not just this incident. This one happens to be the

0:57:25.600 --> 0:57:30.000
<v Speaker 1>most dangerous, right because one person can infect you know,

0:57:30.120 --> 0:57:34.400
<v Speaker 1>sixty one hundred people with the coronavirus, two to three

0:57:34.440 --> 0:57:38.160
<v Speaker 1>percent of the population will perish. Right. Two hundred and

0:57:38.200 --> 0:57:43.360
<v Speaker 1>fifty thousand people have been infected in New York alone.

0:57:44.200 --> 0:57:47.920
<v Speaker 1>We've lost tens of thousands of people across this country.

0:57:48.200 --> 0:57:54.640
<v Speaker 1>And they are weaponizing this virus, right, that's exactly right there,

0:57:54.680 --> 0:57:58.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, and again it's it's the idea that

0:57:58.240 --> 0:58:01.320
<v Speaker 1>basically it's a coloring of the herd, that the people

0:58:01.320 --> 0:58:03.120
<v Speaker 1>who are read are going to die and the strong

0:58:03.160 --> 0:58:06.600
<v Speaker 1>will survive. That is actually not that's a that's great,

0:58:06.600 --> 0:58:09.200
<v Speaker 1>but that's actually not this virus or this pandemic, and

0:58:09.280 --> 0:58:13.200
<v Speaker 1>this pandemic, the virus just keeps going and it affects

0:58:13.200 --> 0:58:15.720
<v Speaker 1>people very long term, and even people who have mild

0:58:15.720 --> 0:58:20.360
<v Speaker 1>cases were now seeing how kidney problems and chronic learning

0:58:20.400 --> 0:58:23.280
<v Speaker 1>problems and neurologic problems. So the idea that it's just

0:58:23.320 --> 0:58:25.520
<v Speaker 1>going to be a calling of the herd is just

0:58:25.960 --> 0:58:28.720
<v Speaker 1>completely at odds with what's happening here. And so even

0:58:28.760 --> 0:58:34.760
<v Speaker 1>even the understanding of the virus is incorrect and and

0:58:34.760 --> 0:58:37.480
<v Speaker 1>and so in a way, it's just, um, you know,

0:58:37.480 --> 0:58:41.120
<v Speaker 1>it's just it's just creating the conditions for, you know,

0:58:41.600 --> 0:58:44.240
<v Speaker 1>for even greater spread of the kind of anarchy that

0:58:44.320 --> 0:58:49.000
<v Speaker 1>these groups for ten and and it's happening really um

0:58:49.120 --> 0:58:51.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, as you say, kind of quite publicly on

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<v Speaker 1>social media. So I think I think this is really

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<v Speaker 1>an issue to keep to keep track of. And and

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<v Speaker 1>again there has to be some way for us to

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<v Speaker 1>reclaim the center here, because again it's just always important

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<v Speaker 1>to remember that most people don't agree with this. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just how can we you know, without effective central leadership,

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<v Speaker 1>how can we pull people together? Well, Jonathan, we will

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<v Speaker 1>continue this conversation as we do each Wednesday, to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of dig into the headlines or the conversations that are

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<v Speaker 1>just not picking up traction that we need people to

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<v Speaker 1>know about. So thank you so much for joining Woke

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<v Speaker 1>app Daily and giving us some insight into the rise

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<v Speaker 1>of white domestic terrorism in the United States. Appreciate. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>please keep talking. Thanks so much. Chat All right, folks,

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