1 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to woke F Daily with 2 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody right here live from my 3 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: bunker on Long Island. As a reminder, folks, we are 4 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: running a two for one special. When you download PM mood, 5 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: you get woke f Daily free for the next two weeks. 6 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: Join our stay Safe as Fuck Quarantine special and subscribe 7 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: to PM mood and get woke f Daily for the 8 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: next two weeks. You know this whole. I'm gonna strap 9 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: myself up with a bunch of guns of best a 10 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: maga hat and go and protest of virus on the 11 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: steps of the Capitol Building while police looks safely down 12 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: at you from a balcony. Is on some America, And 13 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: that's what the KKK in their spelling of like bullshit. 14 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: I'm watching this unfold and I'm watching now reports of 15 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: a one named Attorney General William Barr, who is saying 16 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: that he is going to use the power of the 17 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: Department of Justice to require governors to sentence their residence 18 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: to death. How that work? So? On one hand, when 19 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter protesters were protesting against police brutality, right 20 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: wanting the law and the justice system to work for 21 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: everyone in the same way. William Barr came out and said, well, 22 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: if you don't like the police, then maybe they won't 23 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: be in your neighborhoods anymore. You remember that this is 24 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: the same now, the same motherfucker who thinks that it's 25 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: totally totally okay for armed white people to storm capital buildings. 26 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: These people are not protesters, That's what I want to 27 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: get clear. They're fucking terrorists and they should be treated 28 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: like that. Everyone's idea of liberty is clearly not the 29 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: same because racist white folks idea of liberty is being 30 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: able to oppress and force their will on other people. 31 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: So because they don't give a fuck about their lives 32 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: and their health, then no one else can, right Because 33 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: they don't give a fuck about following science and data 34 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: and facts and actual doctors, They're gonna go with their 35 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: gut right like on a hunch, like this fucking president, Well, 36 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: you know what I say, why not give them them 37 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: the state of Alaska go fucking there, right, Like, round 38 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: up these forty percent of people who don't give a 39 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: shit about this country or anything that it has to 40 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 1: stand for. All they care about is white supremacy and dominance, 41 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: Give them their own fucking state, and make sure that 42 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: it's separate off, floating in the ocean, away from the 43 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: rest of us. That's what I recommend. I'm done. I'm 44 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 1: done trying to convince these people of sane ideas and facts. 45 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 1: I'm done with Democrats trying to open up their arms 46 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: and welcoming these people back to the party because guess what, 47 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: news flash, I don't fucking want them, and neither should you. 48 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: What do they have to offer us, what their wayward votes? 49 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: The fuck out of here. Keep it with Trump, go 50 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: all in the bag for him. Do that, and then 51 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: when you turn up sick and coughing and need a ventilator, 52 00:03:55,760 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: go elsewhere. Go elsewhere. Because I don't see why our 53 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: health infrastructure, which is already fucked to begin with, needs 54 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: to be crumbling on added weight by stupid, fucking people. 55 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: I really don't. And frankly, there were several countries and 56 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 1: places right around this country that we're instituting fines for 57 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: people who were not practiced in social distancing laws. So 58 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: I just want to sit back and wait for the 59 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 1: explosions to take place in Texas, in Tennessee, in Ohio, 60 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: in Michigan because you're not legislating in a way that 61 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: is clearly effective, because these folks don't fear you, right, 62 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: they don't fear any type of repercussions. What should be 63 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: the fine, and I don't even mean monetarily throw them 64 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: in fucking jail? Right, you're talking about a virus that 65 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 1: has a one two sixty or plus ratio, meaning that 66 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: one person can effectively, in fact, sixty some odd people, 67 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: and you're having two hundred plus people at a rally, 68 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: are you kidding me? And nothing is happening to them. 69 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: They are armed with R fifteen. What kind of fucking 70 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: country is this? Where gun shops are labeled essential but 71 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: abortion is not. You know what this virus has done 72 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: is it has opened up the Pandora's box that apparently 73 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: our idealism has been sitting on for all of this time, 74 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,359 Speaker 1: making us believe that this country and the people that 75 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:49,359 Speaker 1: inhabit it are better than they actually are. You know 76 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: what I see in those screaming, white angry faces, just 77 00:05:56,200 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: pure ignorance, pure rage. Right, they want to rage against 78 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: the machine. They don't care about civil liberties. As long 79 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: as white folks have it, they're fine, right, because Oh 80 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: my god, being forced to stay inside and watch Netflix 81 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: in order to make sure that tens of thousands of 82 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 1: Americans don't die. Oh that's fascism. Are you fucking nuts? 83 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: You know? And it's starting to occur to me as well, 84 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: that all of this right. And we're going to get 85 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: into this conversation with our regular Woke f Wednesday contributors 86 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: Jonathan Metzel and Kurt Bardella, and we will unpack the 87 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 1: rise in white supremacist organizations that are trying to weaponize 88 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: the coronavirus right, that they are calling for a second 89 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: civil war, that they are stocking up there our ammunition. 90 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: And it isn't just as a trophy they are preparing. 91 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: They are preparing to take down police, communities of color, 92 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: Jewish folks, Muslims, anyone who is not white, Anglo and Christian. 93 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: This is the same powder keg situation that brought about 94 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: the Nazi regime. You have the President of the United 95 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: States of America getting on Twitter and telling these states 96 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: to quote unquote liberate and that your Second Amendment is 97 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: under siege. Said, fucking who, You're the goddamn president. So 98 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: are you saying that you're stealing their weapons or are 99 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, now it's the federal government that 100 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: is now at war with the States. What the fuck 101 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: kind of country is this? That's the question that you 102 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: all need to be asking yourselves as we make the 103 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: slow fucking march to November, if in fact we get there. 104 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: And you know that I have been saying this for 105 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: what feels like years at this point, that I said 106 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: that Donald Trump would do anything, effectively anything in order 107 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: to hold onto power. We know that he has the 108 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: Department of Justice in his pocket, We know that he 109 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: has the Supreme Court of the United States in his pocket, 110 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: and now we know through his tweets that he is 111 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: building his own MAGA militia. Wake the fuck up and 112 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: recognize what is going on before it is too late. 113 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: They are not just crazy. They are crazy and armed, 114 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: which is what makes them dangerous, which is what makes 115 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: them terrorists. And we should be discussing it as such. 116 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: We will be doing that and much much more with 117 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 1: our guests today on wike F Daily, because I'm telling 118 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: you that the mainstream media is missing this. They are 119 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: missing this convers station and they are not opening your 120 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: eyes to what is happening. It is not enough to 121 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: just laugh at the memes and say, oh hah, they're dumb. No, 122 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: these people are armed and they're coming to our doorsteps 123 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: and the federal government isn't going to do a fucking 124 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: thing to stop them, and that is terrifying on top 125 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: of everything else. Excited to welcome back to Woke a 126 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: F Daily, our Woke a F contributor Kurt Bardella, who 127 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: is also an NBC News Think and USA Today and 128 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: Morning Joe MSNBC contributor as well. Good morning, Kurt, A 129 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: man of many titles, A man of many titles. I 130 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: like it because you are a man with many insights 131 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: into Republican hypocrisy. And you know what I'm really enjoying 132 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: about the pieces that you were writing for both NBC 133 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: and for USA Today are the conversations that you're having 134 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: that we're not talking about. And it is how hell 135 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: bent the Republican Party was during the Obama years to 136 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: try and label Barack Obama as an emperor, to try 137 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: and have him looked at as a person that was 138 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: promoting propaganda, calling in governmental agencies to look into every 139 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: single thing, including the Reinvestment Act, which again helped this 140 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: country stave off a depression, A depression in the early aughts, 141 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: and here we are where there is an actual emperor, 142 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: an authoritarian in the White House who is tweeting about 143 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: the liberation of states and telling people that their Second 144 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: Amendment rights are under siege, which they are not, telling 145 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: people that he alone is the end all, be all 146 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: and the authority in the United States, essentially eliminating the 147 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: role of Congress. And they say nothing, Kurt, they say nothing. 148 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: None of these people that you have written about in 149 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: your latest piece. Trump's liberate tweets were reckless and arrogant. 150 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: Now imagine if Obama had sent them. They're saying nothing. 151 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: Tell me how and why are Democrats not making a 152 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: bigger deal about the Republican silence. You know, it's been 153 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: both an observation and a frustration for me, again having 154 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: had a front row seat to how Republicans conducted themselves 155 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: during the Obama years, and I spent five years working 156 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: at the House Oversight Committee, and I remember people like 157 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 1: the then Judiciary Committee chairman's, you know, talking about the 158 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: need to prevent the executive branch from overstepping the boundaries 159 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,839 Speaker 1: of its constitutional authority and separation of powers and checks 160 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: and balances, and even going to the extreme of They 161 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:23,079 Speaker 1: formed a special task force to examine the executive overreach 162 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 1: of Barack Obama, labeling him a lawless, emperor like figure. 163 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: He had people like Ted Cruz raising alarm bell saying 164 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,719 Speaker 1: that you know, there's troubling aspects of the Obama presidency 165 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: and direct quote, none is more dangerous than the president's 166 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: persistent pattern of lawlessness. Mark Meadows, the same Mark Meadows, 167 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: who was now Donald Trump's chief of staff, opine that 168 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: President Obama had declared war not just on Congress, beyond 169 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: the American people, on and on people from Paul Ryan 170 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: to Sief King to Jim Jordan, all of these characters 171 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: that we have seen take a front row seat and 172 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: being the public defender of Donald Trump, were the first 173 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: ones railing against President Obama's use of executive authority. And 174 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: let's just be clear, what President Obama did did not 175 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: in any way come close to the lawlessness we're seeing 176 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: from Donald Trump. They're not on the same playing field. 177 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: Yet Republicans were so quick to yell and hold hearings 178 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: and issue subpoenas and launch investigations. And I constantly think 179 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: that for Democrats it is a missed opportuntunity to point 180 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 1: out the intolerable hypocrisy that we've seen from Republicans during 181 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: this time of Trump, and I wish that they would 182 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: be more blatant and more direct just repeat the words 183 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: of Republicans at the next time Donald Trump has a 184 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: temper tantrum or a Twitter tantrum. I don't know why 185 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: every single House Democrat doesn't put out a statement quoting 186 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: Ted Cruz when he wrote a presidential temper tantrum is 187 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: not an acceptable means of discourse. The words are right there, 188 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 1: and they came from Republicans. And think that Democrats need 189 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: to be vigilant at reminding people of the context here, 190 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: because as we've seen, Donald Trump loves to rewrite history 191 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: in real time, and Republicans seem to like to pretend 192 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: that the better part of this decade didn't exist. And 193 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: I think Democrats are letting them off the hook by 194 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: pointing it out every single day, every single day. You know, 195 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: I don't know if it is democrats desire or they're 196 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: feeling that by not pointing out the obvious that they're 197 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: taking the high road. But at this point in time, 198 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: don't you think that it is critical that it's critical 199 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: that Democrats highlight where we are and where Republicans have 200 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: taken us and how far they have how far they 201 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: have strayed from their own philosophies and ideologies about government. 202 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: I think it is because in reality, the Republicans effectively 203 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: closed themselves in constitutional righteousness the Obama years, and they 204 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: use that as a means to advance their brand, their 205 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: politics obstruction, and now more than ever, they need to 206 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: be held accountable for that by the Democrats, by the press, 207 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: so that the American people understand what's happening and how 208 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: far away Republicans frankly have strayed from their own orthodox scene. 209 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: And again, the lack of oversight, the lack of check 210 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: and balance, the lack of a watchdog over our democracy 211 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: is having some real, real life impacts. People are wondering 212 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: right now why they haven't gotten their stimulus checks, why 213 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: they their small businesses didn't get loans, Why large corporate 214 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: conglomerates are getting bailouts while mom and pop shops are 215 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: going under and people are having to fire their employees. 216 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: And part of that is because Republicans have abandoned their oversight. 217 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: Post Trump is empowered to feel like he can do 218 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: whatever he wants, that he can give money away to 219 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: whoever he wants. The fact that this past week, somehow 220 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: in the state to Florida, the WWE was designated essential 221 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: and given special status just tells you how broken things 222 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: are right now. And I think Democrats, who again, I 223 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: feel like, oftentimes operate from a position of fear. They're 224 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: worried about things on their faces, They're worried about looking 225 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: to politically opportunistic, and yet the Republicans certainly don't hesitate 226 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: to do those things. Republicans aren't thinking twice about politicizing 227 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: this as they are encouraging lunatics to go out there 228 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: and protest the social distancing guidelines that we have in 229 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: place to trying to keep hold of this pandemic. Republicans 230 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: are doubling down on extreme and Democrats don't seem to 231 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: be saying or doing much of anything. And that's and 232 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: that's always my problem is that you're right, there is 233 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: this fear that is there, that is, you know, lingering 234 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: underneath the surface with Democrats, which is being painted in 235 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: a bad light, being seen as opportunistic, being seen as 236 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: a party that does not care about the people. Right So, 237 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: any time there is any spin that is done from 238 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: Fox News that is done by the right, They cower, 239 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 1: they apologize, and they let the situation go. We watch 240 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: it happen with gun rights, right. We watch it after 241 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: every mass shooting, right, we haven't had just so people know, 242 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: we haven't had a school shooting. Do you know why 243 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 1: we haven't had a school shooting because school is not 244 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: in session. That's the only reason. So the way to 245 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: stop mass shootings in schools apparently is to shut down schools, 246 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: not do anything about actual gun control legislation. But every 247 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: time there is a mass shooting, we're told now is 248 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: not the time to politicize. Well, when is it right? 249 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: If now is not the time to politicize the fact 250 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 1: that you have a president and a party that is 251 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: held bent on creating some type of second Civil war, 252 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: right where the President of the United States is urging 253 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: folks to buy up guns right and to protest their 254 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 1: rights to be liberated, when in fact that rhetoric is 255 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: putting them in harm's way and is creating an incredible 256 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 1: powder cag of an environment right where we have heightened emotions. 257 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 1: Twenty two million people are out of work, We have 258 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: racial and ethnic animus, that this administration has been spreading 259 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: and then we're literally adding guns to that mix. Right, 260 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: what do we think is going to happen? And so, 261 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: what is it that you think that Democrats need to 262 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: do to reclaim this narrative. I think they need to 263 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 1: toughen up and really start being more aggressive in their rhetoric. 264 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: I think that they need to hold this president accountable. 265 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: I think after debating and discussing right now more legislation 266 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: to put more money into different programs to try to 267 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: keep the economy afloat, I think that they really need 268 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: to tie in that legislation with some real tough oversight mechanisms. 269 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 1: I think that they need to not allow this president 270 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: to have a blank check to do whatever he wants, 271 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: because I feel like giving Donald Trump trillions of taxpayer dollars, 272 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: it's basically it's a bank heist and broad daylight. And 273 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 1: what we do know is to this point, the people 274 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: who need help aren't getting it. And what the president 275 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: is really spending his time doing is focusing on using 276 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 1: these resources to produce propaganda. I mean, before his ridiculous 277 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 1: campaign style of briefings, he's making the press corps watch 278 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: these ridiculous videos that he's studies that he's his team 279 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 1: is putting together on a tax payer time to try 280 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: to do everything he can to deflect away from them 281 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: stakes he has made and promote himself as some sort 282 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: of savior. And you know, the idea that he even 283 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: would delay for one second the sending of some of 284 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,439 Speaker 1: these checks out because he wants his signature on the 285 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:06,199 Speaker 1: checks is unthinkable propaganda. And it's something that Republicants, by 286 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 1: the way, we're obsessed about the idea of propaganda. During 287 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 1: the Obama years, they called for investigations about the legality 288 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: of the public relations efforts of the Obama administration. And 289 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: I can tell you firsthand that nothing that Barack Obama 290 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 1: did came remotely close to the blatan display of propaganda 291 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: that we've seen from Donald Trump in the last week alone. 292 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: And yet tom and again, as we've seen throughout this presidency, 293 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,479 Speaker 1: Republicans who are quick to investigate Obama there are nowhere 294 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: to be seen or heard there instead encouraging people to 295 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:38,120 Speaker 1: go out there and violate social distancing guidelines. They're encouraging 296 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 1: people to put their health at risk and put all 297 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 1: of us at risk. They're encouraging people to arm up 298 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: and weaponize because we all know that the thing that 299 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: we need now is everyone having a gun is that 300 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: usually ends well in this country. And I just don't, 301 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: for the left of me know what the Democrats are 302 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: really doing. I don't see any of them really out 303 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: there talking about any of this in a strong and 304 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: profound and meaningful way. And again, I just I feel 305 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: like they're letting fear and they're letting the right control 306 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: their reactions to things. I mean, the reality is Donald 307 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 1: Trump and the bright parts of the world and the 308 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: Fox News is of the world, in the Russell La 309 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 1: Muzzle world, they're going to accuse the Democrats are playing politics. 310 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 1: No matter what, they're going to attack the Democrats, they're 311 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 1: gonna say they're taking lea our rights and our freedoms. 312 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: They've been doing that for a decade now. That's not 313 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 1: going to change. So Democrats might as well go out 314 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: there and be forceful. I think the American people will 315 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 1: respond if Democrats are out there being forceful. But if 316 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: they're just gonna let Donald Trump bloviate for hours and 317 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: hours a day without any forceful, organized response, Trump's gonna 318 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: win in November. I just you know, everything that you're 319 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: saying is right and absolutely dead on, and it's it's 320 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: like we're in the midst of a perfect story. Right, 321 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 1: Democrats have been cowtowing to Republicans for decades, right and 322 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: with this and leading by fear and instead of and 323 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: taking the high road and believing that the American people 324 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 1: are actually better than they are, because I really don't 325 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: think so. I gotta be honest, right when you have 326 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: forty percent of the population that can be swayed by 327 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: a used car salesman that is literally putting you in 328 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 1: harm's way, and you're saying, yes, I want to send 329 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 1: my kids back to work. Who cares of two point 330 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: three million of them die like doctor Oz did last 331 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:37,360 Speaker 1: week and then had to apologize right like again, you're right, 332 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: Where the hell are the Democrats? Where is anybody that 333 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: is punching back in any significant way? And they can't 334 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: tell me, right, because it is the governors right now 335 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: who have the responsibilities of trying to get their their 336 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: residents safe and tested and create a hospital structure that 337 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: doesn't explode. But where are the members of Congress? Right 338 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 1: In all the while, I want to point out that 339 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: as Republicans and lunatics like like Oz, and Phil I 340 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: won't even call them doctors anymore. In my opinion, they're 341 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: not now. But as they're saying, you know what, let's 342 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 1: let these people die, how in the world are we 343 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: going to ever let the Republican Party get away with 344 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 1: calling themselves the pro life party, they're not. They are 345 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: literally willing to let people die who as they cause 346 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: to say, well, they might die anyway, they're old, They 347 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: would they would be glad to sacrifice their lives for 348 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:35,199 Speaker 1: the economy. This is, you know, all the talk of 349 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 1: death panels during Obamacare, repuls that are willing to administer 350 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: death because they want their corporate cronies to continue making 351 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: millions and billions of dollars. I mean more than anything too. 352 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: What we're seeing is effectively class warfare, because guess what, 353 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 1: it's not the billionaires going to be out there on 354 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: the supply chains, working in warehouses, working in restaurants. It's 355 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: not going to be the the the people who benefited 356 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: from Trump's tax cuts that are going to be on 357 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 1: the front lines of this thing. If if certain states reopen, 358 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: it's going to be the working class, it's going to 359 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,400 Speaker 1: be the lower class. It's going to be people who 360 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: don't have a choice and are having to make the 361 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 1: impossible decision to choose between their own health and welfare 362 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 1: and being able to put food on the table and 363 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 1: keep their families afloat. It's going to be deleased among 364 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: us who suffer the consequences of this reactionary effort by 365 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: Republicans to get people out there again. And and you 366 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: know what I'll say is this is that you know, 367 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 1: I oftentimes believe that Democrats waste a lot of time 368 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: trying to convince the forty percent that Donald Trump is 369 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: bad for them, right, instead instead of focusing on the 370 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,959 Speaker 1: sixty percent that need to be riled up and need 371 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,120 Speaker 1: to be educated on what he's doing, so that this 372 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: time around in twenty twenty, another hundred and five million 373 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: people don't decide to sit on their assets, right like 374 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: this is this is about This isn't about trying to 375 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: get I could give a shit about folks across the aisle. 376 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: I really don't care. Right, you want to go out 377 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 1: and you want to have rallies with guns and do 378 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: all of these things and infect yourselves and your neighbors, 379 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: and one stay in your own goddamn state. That's that's 380 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 1: essentially where I am. I don't care. I'm not I'm 381 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 1: not trying to save people's lives out here who are 382 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 1: willingly putting themselves in harm's way. But I am talking 383 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 1: about the sixty percent of people who have some type 384 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: of practical understanding of how viruses work and spread and 385 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: health and wellness right, and those hundred and five million 386 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 1: people who were not moved into action, Why don't they 387 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: try and talk to those sixty percent instead of continuing 388 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: to concentrate on the forty that we're never getting back. 389 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: I mean, if you haven't come around to the idea yet, 390 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: then Donald Trump is back for your health. There's no 391 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: there's no change in your mind. Now you're gone. You're 392 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 1: you're so far gone, there's no get you back. And 393 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: it's not even worth at this point trying to save 394 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: those people from themselves. And I think that you're right. 395 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: The attention and our focus is got to be on 396 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: getting people to turn out to vote and getting people 397 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,439 Speaker 1: and to build the coalition that And I believe that 398 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 1: that coalition, the bedrock of that, the foundation of that 399 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: are people of color, our minorities, are the working class, 400 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: are the people who are being subjected to this economic 401 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: form of tyranny. They're the ones we need to reach. 402 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: They're the ones that we need to get engaged and 403 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: keep informed. Uh. And you know, it's been interesting watching 404 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: the conversation unfold. Ever since Senator Standers got out of 405 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,679 Speaker 1: the race and mister Vice President Biden has been the 406 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 1: presumptive Democrat nominee, all the talk has been what does 407 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: Biden need to do the window or the burning crowd? 408 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: And in my sense, it's you know, I think it's 409 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,360 Speaker 1: more about what we need to do to ensure that 410 00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 1: that people of color continue to support the Democrats and 411 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 1: come up the vote because books, to be honest, Biding 412 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 1: campaign was on life support until African American voters in 413 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 1: South Carolina one single handily save the Biding campaign. And 414 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: if Biden becomes president, it's going to be because of 415 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 1: the African American vote and as well as the Hispanic votes. 416 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,360 Speaker 1: Looking at the general election, and so not enough conversations 417 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 1: being had about people of color, despite the fact that 418 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 1: in this pandemic, people of color are the ones who 419 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: are disproportionately being impacted by this crisis, who are dying 420 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 1: in alarmingly high rates. And it's something let me ask 421 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: you something though, Kurt, because you know, I am a 422 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 1: people like to say that I'm cynical, but I like 423 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: to consider myself a realist. And is it the fact 424 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 1: that over the past couple of weeks we have learned 425 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: exactly what you just said that African Americans people of color, 426 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: right are generally the ones that are on the front 427 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: lines of this coronavirus because they, in many ways work 428 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: in a lot of the what has been deemed essential work. 429 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: They are working in hospitals and nursing homes and grocery stores, 430 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 1: and they are doing the work. And it is folks 431 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 1: that are living in densely populated areas, right. This is 432 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: not Trump's base. So it is part also of the 433 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: callousness here is that it's not his base that's dying off. 434 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 1: And so what different what does he care what's happening 435 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: in New York City or in San Francisco or in Miami. 436 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 1: What difference does it make to him because his base 437 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: is out in the in the rural areas. Is that 438 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: they're thinking, I think that you're absolutely on to one 439 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: of the really despicable realities of this president. And they're 440 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: call them party and that is I gearing you if 441 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: the majority of people who are suffering and dying in 442 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: large clusterers were white, and this was in Alabama or 443 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: Oklahoma or Arkansas, you'd be seeing a very different conversation 444 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 1: from Donald Trump and from the Republicans. If the majority 445 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 1: of people that were dying were in or white people 446 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 1: in Florida and Tennessee and Georgia, those governors would not 447 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: be entertaining opening things back up right now. They would 448 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: not be putting all of us at risk. And it's 449 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 1: because the reality of Trump and Home Party is they 450 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: value minority lives differently they value white people's lives. That's 451 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: just the fact if you look at the rhetoric and 452 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: the policy is that they have championed during the last 453 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: four years. And I think Democrats again, I think Democrats 454 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: need to be aggressive and pointing that out. You know, 455 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,959 Speaker 1: there is a a number of pictures we saw over 456 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: the last couple of days of uh, particularly white men 457 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 1: with their automatic weapons, uh, you know, in state capitals 458 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,719 Speaker 1: and protesting. And I made the comment on Twitter that 459 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: a few things scare me as much as the side 460 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: of you know, white people with guns and the back 461 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 1: last that that received from white people. Republican Trump supporters 462 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: was a norm. I've never been called racist so many 463 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 1: times by white people, uh, which is quite something I 464 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: have to say, But but it just showed me that, Wow, 465 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: that the a that that kind of hit a nerve there. 466 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 1: And and B I don't think Democrats need should be 467 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: afraid to call these things out that way, because it's 468 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: the truth. And and I think the only way that 469 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: we we're going to have a chance to kind of 470 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: cut through the noise and cut through the noise of 471 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: Trump and Russell and Lunch on Hannity is if we 472 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: speak loudly too, And that's not happening right now. Yeah. 473 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: I just you know, every day I'm asking myself, like, 474 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: where are the voices, where are the people that are 475 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: going to just call bullshit right, like just say what 476 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: it is? And you know today, you know, like every 477 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: day I sit around and I watch MSNBC, and I 478 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 1: switch between that and CNN and my local news here 479 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: in New York, and I listen to journalists continue to say, oh, well, 480 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 1: there are good intentions on both sides, and I'm like, no, 481 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: they're not. There are not good intentions on both sides. 482 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: And what is the compulsion to say so in light 483 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: of all of the evidence to the contrary. Yeah, I'm sorry, 484 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 1: but when you start again, I go back to the 485 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: very beginning of this whole saga. When you refer to 486 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: Charlottesville as good people on both sides, that tells your 487 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: thing you need to know about intentions, and we're the 488 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: party's mind is at when you look the other way, 489 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 1: As you know, Steve King calls immigrants dirt, when when 490 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: you look at the draconian immigration measures that this administration 491 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: has imposed on Hispanics. Despite all this, we've almost forgotten 492 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: that there's a lot thousands of immigrants in you know, 493 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: modern day concentration camps at the border right now. Uh, 494 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: you know that are effectively enslaved by the Trump administration. 495 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: When this president refers to African nations and ship whole 496 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: countries on and on and on and on. There's no 497 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: good intentions there. There's there's nothing redeemable there. Uh. And 498 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: the people who are cheering that on there's nothing redeemable 499 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: about them either, And there's no changing their mind or 500 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: winning them over or getting them to see the light. 501 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: That's not going to happen. And so trying to have 502 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: a conversation with them is a waste of time. In 503 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 1: my opinion, it's not something that Democrats should even bother 504 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,719 Speaker 1: doing because every minute and talking to one of them 505 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 1: as a minute, you're not spending talking to someone that 506 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: can be persuadable, that can turn out the book for you, 507 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: that can actually make a difference in the selection. And 508 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 1: that's where all of our attention needs to be. It 509 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: is You're absolutely right, it is where all of our 510 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 1: attention needs to be. Kurt Bardella, thank you so much 511 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: for this very keen insight into Republican ideology and philosophy 512 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: in this moment right now, because it is truly terrifying, 513 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: and I'm not quite sure where Democrats are, but I 514 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 1: know that you have thrown up the bat signal for 515 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: them in both of your recent writings at the USA 516 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: Today and NBC News. Think my hope is that they 517 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: will see it, or somebody will and do something about it. 518 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, friend, good talking to you. I 519 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: am so happy to welcome back for our regular Wednesday 520 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 1: conversation with woke f contributor and author of Dying of 521 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 1: White How the politics of racial resentment is killing America's heartland, 522 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 1: Jonathan Metzel. Jonathan, thanks so much, for making this a 523 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 1: consistent conversation that we get to have weekly while we're 524 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 1: all working our way through quarantine. It's the highlight of 525 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 1: my weight. It's great to be here. So you know 526 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: what I love about this is that you and I 527 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:29,760 Speaker 1: are sharing articles and tweets and conversations that we feel 528 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 1: like people need to be paying attention to, one of 529 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 1: which is starting to become really terrifying to me, which 530 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 1: is this uprising, this white supremacy uprising that is happening 531 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 1: online where there are some groups and movements that are 532 00:34:55,360 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 1: gaining momentum and speed and have been triggered attention by 533 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,799 Speaker 1: the FBI in twenty nineteen, and this Southern Poverty Law 534 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:10,759 Speaker 1: Center has been following the spread of white domestic terrorism. 535 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 1: And now there is a push for a second Civil war, 536 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 1: and in some way, these folks are using the coronavirus 537 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,360 Speaker 1: as a cart that they're going to hitch their ideology too. 538 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:29,880 Speaker 1: Make it make sense, Jonathan, Well, I think the first 539 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 1: thing to you know, to keep in mind about what's 540 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 1: happening now is that it's important to note that what 541 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 1: we're hearing now with all this language about second Civil 542 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: War and Bogaloo and all that stuff. It's it's been 543 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:46,800 Speaker 1: kind of rattling around out there since the eighties, really, 544 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,800 Speaker 1: I mean, and this has been a very very fringe 545 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: position from some extreme libertarian gun groups basically threatening a 546 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,239 Speaker 1: civil war, and it kind of pops up again, you 547 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 1: know when you know, around times where people feel like 548 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,839 Speaker 1: the government's going to intervene or the guns are going 549 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 1: to get taken away, things like that. And I think 550 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,280 Speaker 1: it's important to first of all, note that this is still, 551 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 1: you know, a pretty fringe position, right in a way. 552 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 1: There are many many libertarians and gun owners who would 553 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 1: never support this kind of position. But I do think 554 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 1: that in this moment where we're all kind of you know, 555 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 1: this is just a moment where extreme positions are being manipulated, right, 556 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 1: And I think what's happening is that a lot of 557 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 1: these arguments, particularly in relation to a lot of these 558 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 1: protests that are popping up among fringe groups to kind 559 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 1: of get out in the public, bring your air fifteen protests, 560 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 1: to stay at home order, all these kind of things 561 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,959 Speaker 1: that it's really given an avenue for I think, really, 562 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:54,440 Speaker 1: at least online a resurgence of very extreme extreme positions 563 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 1: and the possibility at least in social media that they're 564 00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,359 Speaker 1: entering the mainstream. And so the other part of this 565 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,720 Speaker 1: is that even though this is a French position, anytime 566 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,799 Speaker 1: you have lots of people talking about planning sedition or 567 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 1: violence against minorities or the police or politicians, you know, 568 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,399 Speaker 1: you have to take that very very seriously, especially when 569 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,400 Speaker 1: it's tied to a lot of weapons. And so in 570 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 1: a way, even if it's a French position in this moment, 571 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 1: you know, it's a threat, especially if people are heavily armed, 572 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 1: and so you know, it's it's it's something that our 573 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,799 Speaker 1: country dealt with very directly, you know, in the aftermath 574 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,719 Speaker 1: of that Kim and Dave McVeigh Oklahoma City stuff and 575 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,320 Speaker 1: all that. You know, we really had a very concerted 576 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,279 Speaker 1: effort to deal with white, white supremacist groups and and 577 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 1: militant groups like this. And I think really it's pretty 578 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 1: vital right now that we that we take this threat 579 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 1: seriously as well, again, because the you know, there's so 580 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 1: much uncertainty, there's so much anxiety, there's you know, economic downturn, 581 00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,440 Speaker 1: all these factors. So this is a time where the 582 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 1: rise of an armed fringe group I think would be 583 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 1: particularly risky and and hopefully this is something that we 584 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:09,240 Speaker 1: would be taking very seriously. So it's NBC News that 585 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:15,799 Speaker 1: is reporting on the Network Contagion Research Institute n CRII 586 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,960 Speaker 1: an independent nonprofit of scientists and engineers that tracks and 587 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,839 Speaker 1: reports on misinformation and hate speech across social media. They've 588 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 1: released a report yesterday yesterday evening, and in their report 589 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:35,280 Speaker 1: they are talking about this anti government movement right where 590 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 1: there is this desire of a violent uprising that is 591 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 1: going to like you're saying, target law enforcement, target different 592 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 1: minority groups. And what I find really scary about this, Jonathan, 593 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,759 Speaker 1: is that we are seeing these people, right, We are 594 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:03,439 Speaker 1: seeing these heavily armed folks at these rallies that are 595 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 1: when I look at them, I think to myself, how 596 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 1: dumb are people? Right? Like I can't I can't wrap 597 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:15,760 Speaker 1: my mind around protesting a virus and protesting against people 598 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,080 Speaker 1: that are trying to keep you safe because you without 599 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:23,960 Speaker 1: your MD, without any you know, education in science or 600 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,839 Speaker 1: data or research or any of these things. That these 601 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,280 Speaker 1: people are taking to television and saying that their rights 602 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 1: are being trampled upon. And what I have started to 603 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,680 Speaker 1: understand and believe, and I want to know this through 604 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 1: your research in your writing. There's a fundamental difference in 605 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:50,600 Speaker 1: understanding between white conservative, white ringer right wingers who use 606 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:56,120 Speaker 1: the term liberty and everyone else who uses the term 607 00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 1: liberty and freedom. They're liberty and free them to me right, 608 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:06,360 Speaker 1: these white supremacist groups is about their ability to spread 609 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,360 Speaker 1: their hate and to oppress others. And if they don't 610 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,279 Speaker 1: have the ability to do that, they believe that their 611 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,640 Speaker 1: freedoms are taking away being taken away from them. When 612 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,640 Speaker 1: the rest of us talk about freedom and liberty, it's 613 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 1: free to exist, right, and for the laws to actually 614 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,440 Speaker 1: work for all people in the same way. We have 615 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:32,799 Speaker 1: a fundamental difference here, and so how do you how 616 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,480 Speaker 1: do you how do you even how do we even 617 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:39,719 Speaker 1: go about trying to deal with this group when we 618 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:46,400 Speaker 1: don't have the same foundational understanding of basic things. Well, 619 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,799 Speaker 1: you know, again, I think that it's it's such a 620 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,640 Speaker 1: it's such a vital and in many ways terrifying moments. Again, 621 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:58,399 Speaker 1: because the conditions for extremism m a are. I mean, 622 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,400 Speaker 1: this is a kind of atmospe sphere historically where extremism rises. 623 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,000 Speaker 1: If you think about the rise of you know, Nazi 624 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:09,720 Speaker 1: Germany for example, you know, catastrophic economic downturn, people looking 625 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,400 Speaker 1: for some answer, people looking for somebody else to blame, 626 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,920 Speaker 1: and weapons and military all those kind of things, And 627 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 1: so I think now now is the time that we 628 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:24,399 Speaker 1: really have to be particularly vigilant and particularly about ideologies 629 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,920 Speaker 1: like this UM that's spread among people who are feeling 630 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:32,800 Speaker 1: disaffected and dis empowered UM and are also very armed. 631 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,239 Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's a you know, a pretty um. 632 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,680 Speaker 1: You know, the message about weapons is pretty inconsistent because 633 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,799 Speaker 1: it's always about the government's going to come take away 634 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:46,120 Speaker 1: your weapons. But the government's basically handing you weapons right now, 635 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,680 Speaker 1: so so that that's not that's an issue. But you know, 636 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,440 Speaker 1: but but this ideology is, you know, it's against Congress, 637 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:56,000 Speaker 1: basically saying Congress has no power, it's against minorities, it's 638 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,040 Speaker 1: threatening all these kind of things. And whether or not 639 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,759 Speaker 1: that happens, UM, you know, I think the important point 640 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,640 Speaker 1: is that fringe ideologies have been present for some time. 641 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,920 Speaker 1: We're different now. Number one. Number one is just the climate, 642 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:15,000 Speaker 1: right and the despair. But number two is, you know, 643 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,040 Speaker 1: you need responsible leadership to say this is not what 644 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,880 Speaker 1: America stands for. This is not something that we're going 645 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,080 Speaker 1: to tolerate. You know, this is where we need, like 646 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:30,560 Speaker 1: the Justice Department and the Office of the President to 647 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:34,560 Speaker 1: basically be saying this is not who we are, and 648 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,600 Speaker 1: we're going to come together national unity and messages in 649 00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,160 Speaker 1: the face of this. And that's even what happens after 650 00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:46,360 Speaker 1: the Oklahoma City episode, is that people came together. But 651 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,719 Speaker 1: instead right now we're seeing the opposite, right, We're seeing 652 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:56,120 Speaker 1: the Trump administration really foment divisiveness by playing to a 653 00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,080 Speaker 1: lot of radical groups. And not to say that they 654 00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,560 Speaker 1: themselves are actively threatening violence, but all these things about 655 00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:05,320 Speaker 1: like liberate states and your Second Amendment to ender attack, 656 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,560 Speaker 1: those are those are code words, right, This idea that 657 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,440 Speaker 1: people are going to come take away your guns. That 658 00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:14,560 Speaker 1: that's part of what this whole. But it isn't a 659 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,640 Speaker 1: code word, right like it like the president is no 660 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,480 Speaker 1: longer the president and this administration the Trump administration, they 661 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:27,399 Speaker 1: aren't speaking in code anymore. They are actually being incredibly bold, right, 662 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,200 Speaker 1: and transparent about what it is that they want. When 663 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:35,879 Speaker 1: the President tweets liberate Ohio, Liberate Michigan, he knows what 664 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,200 Speaker 1: he's doing, So why aren't we calling out what he 665 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,200 Speaker 1: is doing? Right? You know, in in front of the 666 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:47,399 Speaker 1: Texas State Capital tweet from Natalie Allison. Right, there was 667 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:56,600 Speaker 1: the American flag, Trump flags, Betsy Ross flags, and troopers 668 00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,319 Speaker 1: that are there that are not doing anything. And I 669 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,200 Speaker 1: can't imagine that if there was a oh, I don't know, 670 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:08,279 Speaker 1: a Black Lives Matter rally that was being held, right, 671 00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,960 Speaker 1: that troops would not be arresting people and telling you 672 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,880 Speaker 1: that you're endangering the public's help and throwing these people 673 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,520 Speaker 1: in jail and charging them with like a federal crime. 674 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,680 Speaker 1: What is happening here? Well, there's certainly a long history. 675 00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I write about this and dying of whiteness 676 00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,000 Speaker 1: and other stuff I've written that. You know, there is 677 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,200 Speaker 1: a long history in this country of kind of the 678 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:34,040 Speaker 1: stereotype of the armed white patriot versus the armed black 679 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,759 Speaker 1: criminal or gang bangler or foodlum. You know. So there 680 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,200 Speaker 1: are all these ways in which those stereotypes play out 681 00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,200 Speaker 1: in terms of really who gets to carry a gun 682 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:46,160 Speaker 1: and stuff like, much more broadly, who gets protests. When 683 00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,279 Speaker 1: I saw those troopers in Texas and the same thing 684 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,200 Speaker 1: in Nashville, I did also kind of think that the 685 00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:54,719 Speaker 1: troopers were worried about catching the coronavirus from the protesters, 686 00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:56,480 Speaker 1: so they probably also didn't want to get close to 687 00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,080 Speaker 1: them because they didn't want to get sick. There's an 688 00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,560 Speaker 1: out of layer, right, what's happening. But I certainly would 689 00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:06,160 Speaker 1: agree with what you're saying, and other people like Abraham 690 00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,200 Speaker 1: Kendy have been writing about this that basically, you know, 691 00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,839 Speaker 1: who has the rights of protests. But again I also 692 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,839 Speaker 1: think that in a way, this is the time. I mean, 693 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,280 Speaker 1: I'll tell you honestly, and when when the pandemic started, 694 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,759 Speaker 1: I was actually rooting for Trump, right, I said, this, 695 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,520 Speaker 1: here's the time where you can actually show that you're 696 00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,919 Speaker 1: the leader of everybody. Here's where we come together. Here's 697 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,600 Speaker 1: a time where we re establish what this country stands for. 698 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:34,760 Speaker 1: Um And this was an opportunity to like bring people together. 699 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:39,239 Speaker 1: And I think really all this divisiveness is masking just 700 00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:43,200 Speaker 1: the catastrophic failure of the administration to predict this, to 701 00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:47,920 Speaker 1: implement testing, to save our economy, and so all of 702 00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,040 Speaker 1: the stuff is a bunch of noise. I mean, it's 703 00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:54,160 Speaker 1: effective noise, but it's effective noise that's distracting people when really, 704 00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,080 Speaker 1: I mean this was a gold This is a golden 705 00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,920 Speaker 1: opportunity for Trump to honestly be a great president and 706 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,960 Speaker 1: a crisis. You know, people were saying it's it's his 707 00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,840 Speaker 1: nine to eleven, but really he is the nine eleven 708 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,440 Speaker 1: right now. I mean he's he's really, you know, I 709 00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,200 Speaker 1: mean he's really, he's he's he's implementing this kind of thing. 710 00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,480 Speaker 1: And I tell you that those liberate tweets, and I 711 00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,680 Speaker 1: think the important thing about those tweets again, even though 712 00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,279 Speaker 1: people saw what he was doing, is that if you 713 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,560 Speaker 1: if you studied the white extremist literature, he was using 714 00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,719 Speaker 1: that exact same language. I mean, this idea of all 715 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,279 Speaker 1: you know, the Second Civil War. The last time it 716 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,959 Speaker 1: came up was in response to what are called red 717 00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:36,600 Speaker 1: flag laws, which are centrist. You know, it empowers family 718 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:41,279 Speaker 1: members to have to potentially have weapons are removed from 719 00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,960 Speaker 1: a family member who was threatening domestic violence or suicide. 720 00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,400 Speaker 1: And it's only a thirty day restriction on your gun rights. 721 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,560 Speaker 1: But when when this started happening, all these groups started 722 00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:56,360 Speaker 1: basically saying, the government's coming for your guns and protect 723 00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,520 Speaker 1: your Second Amendments, all this kind of stuff. And that's 724 00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,799 Speaker 1: where this Googlealoo stuff started to write us again. And 725 00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,319 Speaker 1: so the fact that Trump was using that language in 726 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,520 Speaker 1: some of these suits and playing to this and alstering 727 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:12,080 Speaker 1: this divisiveness, of course, is an attempt to move the 728 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,920 Speaker 1: lens away from his own failure here, his administration's failure, 729 00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,640 Speaker 1: but it's also playing right into the hands of I mean, 730 00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,040 Speaker 1: it's really in a way, playing right into the hands 731 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:29,160 Speaker 1: of this this armed extremism. You know, I'm watching these 732 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:37,359 Speaker 1: clips and I'm seeing brave nurses, doctors get out into 733 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:44,400 Speaker 1: the streets and have their own um protests right standing 734 00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:49,920 Speaker 1: in in contrast to these rabid fools, which is that's 735 00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,399 Speaker 1: that's my term, that's my language, not yours, but that's 736 00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:57,759 Speaker 1: what they are. And these doctors and nurses I can 737 00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,040 Speaker 1: only imagine but by the looks on their faces that 738 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:09,879 Speaker 1: underneath their mass is the extreme disappointment and disgust. Right 739 00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:15,760 Speaker 1: they aren't seeing their families. They are working some close 740 00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,000 Speaker 1: to twenty four hours a day to save lives, and 741 00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:25,200 Speaker 1: these ignorant, horrific people are berating them for keeping the 742 00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:29,560 Speaker 1: country closed, Like how did we get here? You know, 743 00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,799 Speaker 1: I know that I asked that in a part of 744 00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,600 Speaker 1: me wants an answer, but a part of me knows 745 00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,600 Speaker 1: that there is no answer because it's so layered and complex. 746 00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:43,840 Speaker 1: But Donald Trump didn't just he didn't create this division, 747 00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,799 Speaker 1: but he sure is hell capitalized on it. But from 748 00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,400 Speaker 1: the tea party until now, how did we get to 749 00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:56,680 Speaker 1: a place where we don't believe science, where we don't 750 00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:00,359 Speaker 1: believe leadership, where we don't believe the media, and they're 751 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:05,880 Speaker 1: trying to keep us safe, right? I mean, you know, 752 00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:10,399 Speaker 1: it's as as a person who in healthcare myself, with 753 00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:14,200 Speaker 1: family members and healthcare and obviously friends and colleagues and students, 754 00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,320 Speaker 1: I can say that the remarkable thing about the healthcare 755 00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:21,400 Speaker 1: stories is that when people come to the hospital, healthcare 756 00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,839 Speaker 1: workers aren't asking what your political ideology is. They risk 757 00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:30,880 Speaker 1: alize for everybody. And so the selflessness and the heroes 758 00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:35,759 Speaker 1: of first responders healthcare workers right now is really such 759 00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:39,640 Speaker 1: a juxtaposition to some of these images we're seeing. Again, 760 00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,759 Speaker 1: I think it's really important to remember that there are 761 00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,360 Speaker 1: many people across the board who don't agree with what's happening, 762 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,520 Speaker 1: and so I continue to say, as we were talking 763 00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,320 Speaker 1: about last week, that I still believe that this is 764 00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,879 Speaker 1: a moment of a possible alliance. It's hard because we're 765 00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:01,640 Speaker 1: all locked in our own, you know, social distances right now, 766 00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,239 Speaker 1: but I do think that if you just look at 767 00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,560 Speaker 1: opinion polls, there's still a lot of people that think 768 00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,920 Speaker 1: social distancing is what we should be doing, the trust 769 00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:14,240 Speaker 1: healthcare workers that have lost loved ones or suffered financial consequences. 770 00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,960 Speaker 1: And so again, I think the possibility of joining together 771 00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,480 Speaker 1: right now is more powerful than these than these horrific 772 00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,600 Speaker 1: images or these protests. But I also think that the 773 00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,799 Speaker 1: more Trump kind of bans these flames, the more the 774 00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:31,520 Speaker 1: more you know, just the more serious this issue becomes. 775 00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:37,920 Speaker 1: And especially because it's not just these these these protests. 776 00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:42,120 Speaker 1: Clearly these protests are being used as cover to push 777 00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:46,160 Speaker 1: to reopen economies far in advance of when that should 778 00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,360 Speaker 1: be happening, which I think is going to be a 779 00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,560 Speaker 1: much bigger problem ultimately. And so again I think that 780 00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,760 Speaker 1: I think that you know, I'm sure that there's an 781 00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,959 Speaker 1: ideology which if people readying a rightness I talk about 782 00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,040 Speaker 1: the idol, is quite a bit about this kind of 783 00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,960 Speaker 1: kind of particular formulation of whiteness. But I also think 784 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:11,120 Speaker 1: that these protests are being used to promote agenda as 785 00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,759 Speaker 1: they're much more dangerous, which are reopening the country before 786 00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,759 Speaker 1: it's sake to do so, which is going to lead 787 00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,680 Speaker 1: to coronavirus too, which is going to be worse than 788 00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:26,560 Speaker 1: coronavirus one. And so you know, it's both the protests themselves, 789 00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,120 Speaker 1: but it's also what the protests are being used for, 790 00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,520 Speaker 1: what cover it's giving, what coverage given to president, and 791 00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:38,279 Speaker 1: what agenda is coming in underneath that. I just you know, Um, 792 00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:45,879 Speaker 1: we have Brian Kemp, the governor of Georgia, who has 793 00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:50,640 Speaker 1: announced that Georgia will be reopening. Even though Georgia was 794 00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:55,840 Speaker 1: one of the last states to even authorize any type 795 00:51:55,840 --> 00:52:02,880 Speaker 1: of closing, their numbers are on the rise, and he 796 00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,800 Speaker 1: has vowed by the end of the week that Georgia 797 00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:13,600 Speaker 1: will be reopened, including barbershops, nail salons, bowling alleys, all 798 00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:17,680 Speaker 1: of these places. Right, we have no vaccine, they have 799 00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:22,480 Speaker 1: no guidelines that are in place. Florida, another Republican governor, 800 00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:29,400 Speaker 1: has reopened beaches. I mean, your book is called Dying 801 00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:34,080 Speaker 1: of Whiteness, but white people are are genuinely going to 802 00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:39,160 Speaker 1: kill everyone else because if they're ignorance, And I just 803 00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,719 Speaker 1: I don't know, Jonathan, I don't know how where we 804 00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:49,080 Speaker 1: go from here. I don't know how you have create 805 00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:54,440 Speaker 1: sense here, how you keep people safe when they only 806 00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,359 Speaker 1: believe one set of people and those are people who 807 00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:03,279 Speaker 1: have built careers on line to them. You know, it's 808 00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,759 Speaker 1: it's interesting because there's no mystery here. We have models 809 00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:11,400 Speaker 1: for how to emerge safely from the phase one of 810 00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:15,520 Speaker 1: the coronavirus crisis, which we've just passed through. There's now 811 00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:20,319 Speaker 1: an entire planet, an entire globe of models, and we 812 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:24,239 Speaker 1: know that the countries could have done this safely have 813 00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:31,560 Speaker 1: done very very slow, strategic, stepwise re entries, you know, 814 00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,719 Speaker 1: first the essential businesses and other kinds of businesses. But 815 00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:39,680 Speaker 1: they do so with testing, with strict guidelines for everybody 816 00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:44,360 Speaker 1: to keep everybody else safe, and then slowly but surely 817 00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:48,480 Speaker 1: they kind of slowly reopen, but not exactly like it 818 00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,640 Speaker 1: was before, because we don't have a vaccine and we 819 00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,560 Speaker 1: don't have immunity as a species. And so if you 820 00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:57,439 Speaker 1: look at even places that we're getting hammered by the coronavirus, 821 00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,600 Speaker 1: places like Spain for example, and all those places that 822 00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,799 Speaker 1: are just doing this really well, like New Zealand or 823 00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:08,120 Speaker 1: South Korea, their death their deaths are very very low, 824 00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:13,000 Speaker 1: and their infection rates are below there's an infection number one. 825 00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:16,720 Speaker 1: They're below one, which means a person with a virus 826 00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:20,440 Speaker 1: isn't automatically infecting one other person. So there are great 827 00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,480 Speaker 1: models out there. We don't even have to reinvent the 828 00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:26,040 Speaker 1: wheel at all. And then on the flip side, there 829 00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:32,399 Speaker 1: are ongoing infection pandemic out of control models, which we've seen, 830 00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:36,080 Speaker 1: for example, in small doses even in this country, in 831 00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:40,160 Speaker 1: meat plants in South Dakota, and in nursing homes and 832 00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,600 Speaker 1: in places where people just don't just open up without 833 00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:47,720 Speaker 1: any of that framework, and what happens is dramatic rises 834 00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,359 Speaker 1: in infection and death rates. And so what Georgia is doing, 835 00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:55,120 Speaker 1: for example, I mean, it's just there's no doubt that 836 00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:59,080 Speaker 1: what's going to happen is is just much more infection. 837 00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,040 Speaker 1: And it's not like some of the people are going 838 00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,239 Speaker 1: to be sick and everybody's going to be healthy. Um, 839 00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,680 Speaker 1: the people that are healthy are going to become carriers 840 00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:10,719 Speaker 1: and then come back and infect people they know. And so, um, 841 00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,719 Speaker 1: you know, I was reading about Georgia and they're opening theaters, 842 00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:17,280 Speaker 1: you know. Um, it's it's it's it's like the codebook. 843 00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,120 Speaker 1: It's like the casebook for what not to do and 844 00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:24,520 Speaker 1: and and so this idea of you know, the economy, 845 00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:26,520 Speaker 1: I just I don't know how the economy works when 846 00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:31,280 Speaker 1: you're you know, potentially threatening the lives of twenty percent 847 00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,040 Speaker 1: of your workers and thirty percent of your customers and 848 00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,560 Speaker 1: and things like that. You know. So it's just that 849 00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:40,440 Speaker 1: the modeling for this is horrible, and I and I'm 850 00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,200 Speaker 1: you know, I can all I can say is that 851 00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:47,680 Speaker 1: I hope common sense prevails or that there's some real 852 00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:51,799 Speaker 1: plan beneath this big, big public plan, because it would 853 00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,120 Speaker 1: just do it the way that places like Georgia are saying. 854 00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:57,120 Speaker 1: It's going to be catastrophic. And not only that, as 855 00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,240 Speaker 1: it was seen from the first round of the coronavirus. 856 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:01,759 Speaker 1: You know, the people who get hit the worst or 857 00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:05,520 Speaker 1: the people who are the most vulnerable, and so even 858 00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:07,920 Speaker 1: though people suffer across the board, it's just gonna it's 859 00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:13,359 Speaker 1: just gonna have really really bad effects for for vulnerable populations. 860 00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,040 Speaker 1: And so in that regard, you know, it's it's it's 861 00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:19,040 Speaker 1: almost like disbelieve that that this is happening, but it's 862 00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,600 Speaker 1: it's not a very rational moment for for some of 863 00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:25,040 Speaker 1: our leaders, not enough for others. Well, we're going to 864 00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,799 Speaker 1: have to keep our eye on all that is unfolding, 865 00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:31,040 Speaker 1: because my fear is that there isn't enough attention that 866 00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,120 Speaker 1: is being paid to the fact that these groups are 867 00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:38,560 Speaker 1: growing like wildfire on social media, on Facebook, on Reddit, 868 00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:43,440 Speaker 1: on Instagram, that they are using memes and inside jokes 869 00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:50,400 Speaker 1: in terms like boogaloo um to perpetuate their desire, which 870 00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:54,919 Speaker 1: is essentially, uh, mass murder, right, Like, that's what they're 871 00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:58,120 Speaker 1: that's what they're doing, that's what they're angling for. Uh. 872 00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,080 Speaker 1: And they have a friend in the White House, and 873 00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,800 Speaker 1: they have a friends, they have friends in law enforcement. 874 00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:09,080 Speaker 1: Because when I see these pictures of angry white faces, 875 00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:13,520 Speaker 1: you know, banging at doors and wanting to open up 876 00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:17,760 Speaker 1: businesses and having complete and total disregard for public safety, 877 00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:22,080 Speaker 1: for public health, only their desires matter. And this is 878 00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,560 Speaker 1: not just this incident. This one happens to be the 879 00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:30,000 Speaker 1: most dangerous, right because one person can infect you know, 880 00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:34,400 Speaker 1: sixty one hundred people with the coronavirus, two to three 881 00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:38,160 Speaker 1: percent of the population will perish. Right. Two hundred and 882 00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:43,360 Speaker 1: fifty thousand people have been infected in New York alone. 883 00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:47,920 Speaker 1: We've lost tens of thousands of people across this country. 884 00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:54,640 Speaker 1: And they are weaponizing this virus, right, that's exactly right there, 885 00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:58,160 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, and again it's it's the idea that 886 00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:01,320 Speaker 1: basically it's a coloring of the herd, that the people 887 00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:03,120 Speaker 1: who are read are going to die and the strong 888 00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:06,600 Speaker 1: will survive. That is actually not that's a that's great, 889 00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,200 Speaker 1: but that's actually not this virus or this pandemic, and 890 00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:13,200 Speaker 1: this pandemic, the virus just keeps going and it affects 891 00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,720 Speaker 1: people very long term, and even people who have mild 892 00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:20,360 Speaker 1: cases were now seeing how kidney problems and chronic learning 893 00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:23,280 Speaker 1: problems and neurologic problems. So the idea that it's just 894 00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,520 Speaker 1: going to be a calling of the herd is just 895 00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:28,720 Speaker 1: completely at odds with what's happening here. And so even 896 00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:34,760 Speaker 1: even the understanding of the virus is incorrect and and 897 00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,480 Speaker 1: and so in a way, it's just, um, you know, 898 00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:41,120 Speaker 1: it's just it's just creating the conditions for, you know, 899 00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:44,240 Speaker 1: for even greater spread of the kind of anarchy that 900 00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:49,000 Speaker 1: these groups for ten and and it's happening really um 901 00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,880 Speaker 1: you know, as you say, kind of quite publicly on 902 00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:54,480 Speaker 1: social media. So I think I think this is really 903 00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,680 Speaker 1: an issue to keep to keep track of. And and 904 00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:00,520 Speaker 1: again there has to be some way for us to 905 00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:05,400 Speaker 1: reclaim the center here, because again it's just always important 906 00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,160 Speaker 1: to remember that most people don't agree with this. It's 907 00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:13,080 Speaker 1: just how can we you know, without effective central leadership, 908 00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:16,400 Speaker 1: how can we pull people together? Well, Jonathan, we will 909 00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:21,120 Speaker 1: continue this conversation as we do each Wednesday, to kind 910 00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:24,960 Speaker 1: of dig into the headlines or the conversations that are 911 00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:28,280 Speaker 1: just not picking up traction that we need people to 912 00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:33,400 Speaker 1: know about. 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