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Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast, the Orlando Landolano edition. As the

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Speaker 1: Bengals shock the NFL by signing the best offensive lineman

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Speaker 1: on the market in free agency this year, or Lando Brown,

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Speaker 1: Dave Lapham joins me to discuss the Bengals new left tackle,

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Speaker 1: who's going to play right tackle, and other developments in

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Speaker 1: free agency. Jermaine Pratt remains a Bengal after signing a

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Speaker 1: three year contract extension. I'll talk to him one on one.

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Speaker 1: And then it's the third edition of our NFL Expert

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Speaker 1: Mock draft as Ryan Fowler from the Draftnetwork dot com

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Speaker 1: will thank you. Rant dismissed. Now let's get to football.

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Speaker 1: ESPN has a stat called pass blocking win rate. It

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Speaker 1: involves sustaining your block for two and a half seconds

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Speaker 1: or longer. Two years ago, the Bengals offensive line ranked thirtieth.

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Speaker 1: The Super Bowl champion Rams were number one. Last year,

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Speaker 1: after revamping their offensive line, the Bengals moved up nine

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Speaker 1: spots to number twenty one. The NFC champion Eagles came

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Speaker 1: knows that the offensive line struggled early, eventually was at

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Speaker 1: left tackle, right tackle, and right guard In the AFC

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Speaker 1: Championship Game loss to Kansas City. There was clearly room

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Speaker 1: for improvement, but few people anticipated a massive improvement literally

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Speaker 1: and figuratively with the addition of Orlando Brown. I discussed

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Speaker 1: my broadcast partner, Dave Lapham. Lap I was broadcasting the

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Speaker 1: UC basketball game on Wednesday night when the Orlando Brown

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Speaker 1: news broke and my initial reaction was, is that the

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Speaker 1: real Tom Pelli sera Twitter account? Let me see that

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Speaker 1: blue check. I thought it might be a prank. Well,

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Speaker 1: obviously it was not a prank. The six to eight,

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Speaker 1: he gets the huge bonus up front thirty one mill,

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Speaker 1: Are you stunned? Totally? Totally? I mean, he is entering

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Speaker 1: The Bengals have been looking to upgrade the tackle position

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Speaker 1: But you know, sixteen millionaire. People thought he was going

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Speaker 1: interesting dynamic to be sure. But boy, I mean, kudos

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Speaker 1: It's a hannock, it's anger. And as I've said many

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Speaker 1: in Joe Burrow, and everything has changed. All those old

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Speaker 1: is that's and why it's a commitment to JB the

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Speaker 1: saying Germaine Pratt is as good as either of those

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Speaker 1: two guys. He's probably not. I mean, he's certainly not

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Speaker 1: as good as Roquan Smith. But he's very good, and

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Speaker 1: he's coming at a fraction of the cost at a

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Speaker 1: position that you don't prioritize like you prioritize pass rushers,

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Speaker 1: cover corners, quarterback, left tackle, the very premium positions that

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Speaker 1: you have to pay absolutely And the thing that it

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Speaker 1: does do is when you look at it, you know,

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Speaker 1: there are three guys that finish the third year of

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Speaker 1: their rookie contract, Logan Wilson being one of them. There's

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Speaker 1: room left for sign Logan Wilson as well as Pride

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Speaker 1: keep that intact because that duo at the linebacker position

436
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Speaker 1: of Logan Wilson and Jermaine Pratt is stronger than new rope.

437
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's as good as there is in the league.

438
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Speaker 1: So you know, you think about that. You know, Joe Burrow,

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Speaker 1: t Higgins, Logan Wilson, those are those are three core

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Speaker 1: guys that have now finished the third year of their

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Speaker 1: rookie contracts that you can look to extend you know,

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Speaker 1: some or all of them, or whatever the case may be.

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Speaker 1: And that's another bucket. I mean, you know, it's so

444
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Speaker 1: much there's a free agency from other teams bucket, your

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Speaker 1: own free agent's bucket, the draft bucket. I mean, they're

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Speaker 1: juggling those buckets. Is amazing. And that's what those morning

447
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Speaker 1: meetings are here. It's plan A. Okay, this happens, Plan B, C,

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Speaker 1: D E, all the way to the whole alphabet is expanded.

449
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Speaker 1: Probably you end up going double A, double B. But

450
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Speaker 1: when something happens, you got to pivot. And again they

451
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Speaker 1: were able to pivot, so they got more pivot and

452
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Speaker 1: low post moves. And you see it college fastball in

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Speaker 1: the NBA, they are a chem Elijah On doing a

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Speaker 1: dream shake in the low post, no doubt. How about

455
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Speaker 1: tight end Hayden Hurts got a three year deal from Carolina.

456
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Speaker 1: It seems like every former Bengal is winding up in Carolina,

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Speaker 1: including Andy Dalton. Oddly enough, as I mentioned earlier, this

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Speaker 1: tight end class is thought to be the best draft class,

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Speaker 1: that is, in the last ten years. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if they would take one with the twenty eighth pick

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Speaker 1: in the draft. Because they're still going to be good

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Speaker 1: ones in the second, third, and probably fourth round. But

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Speaker 1: wouldn't you rather have at that position a young, talented

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Speaker 1: guy on a key contract at this point, considering the

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Speaker 1: other mouths that you have to feed, then spending a

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Speaker 1: lot of money on Hayden Hurst over three years. Yeah, Dan,

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Speaker 1: I agree. I think you know, the experts are saying

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Speaker 1: there could be you know, ten tight ends taken in

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Speaker 1: the first couple of rounds, the first two days of

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Speaker 1: the draft, for sure. You know, the first three rounds

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Speaker 1: could be ten tight ends off the board. Would not

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Speaker 1: shock me at all if the Bengals were one of those,

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Speaker 1: you know, teams that drafted a tight end at some

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Speaker 1: point in time during that during that run. But let's

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Speaker 1: face it, this offense, if if the Bengals offense is

476
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Speaker 1: a cocktail, so Martini, the tight end is the olive,

477
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Speaker 1: I mean, the wide receivers of the booze, you know,

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Speaker 1: and the quarterbacks the mixer you know it's like, and

479
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 1: then the Garnish meant, the olive is the tight end.

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Speaker 1: This offense is wide receiver driven, There's no question about it.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's going to continue to stay that way.

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Speaker 1: Not to say that you don't need a tight end,

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Speaker 1: but from a priority standpoint, offensively, you know, a quarterback

484
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Speaker 1: and whiteouts are a big, big part of this schematic.

485
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Speaker 1: There's no question about it. It's a necessity, but I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't say it's necessity number one, two or three of

487
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Speaker 1: the three whiteouts are going to get the ball, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's kind of the nature of the Beast.

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Speaker 1: And again, I do think that they've got a really

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Speaker 1: good tight end coach. I think James Casey does a

491
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Speaker 1: great job with the tight ends. I think Hayden Hurst

492
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Speaker 1: should should forever thank James case for helping him get

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Speaker 1: the contract he got with the Carolina Panthers, and and

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Speaker 1: he'll do that. He'll do that with everybody that he

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Speaker 1: has in his room at that tight end position. I

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Speaker 1: think that that's going to be solved, and it's going

497
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Speaker 1: to be solved readily. Still some free agent tight ends

498
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Speaker 1: out there, Yeah, Mike. Mike Hilton has been trying to

499
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Speaker 1: recruit Mike Kasicki Miami Dolphins. I want my college team

500
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Speaker 1: to have Mike Hilton on the coaching staff someday as

501
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: a recruiter because he's relentless at least on social media.

502
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Speaker 1: If there's a free agent that he's interested in, he's

503
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Speaker 1: he's out there swinging, no doubt, no, no two ways

504
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 1: about that. There's absolutely no question. So you had Frank

505
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Speaker 1: Pollock on your in the Trenches podcast after Orlando Brown

506
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Speaker 1: agreed to come to Cincinnati. I found it interesting that

507
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Speaker 1: he more or less said, at least from his perspective,

508
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Speaker 1: this came out of nowhere. This was not something that

509
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Speaker 1: had been you know, discussed in those morning meetings day

510
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: after day after day. It sounded like about a day

511
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: before it happened. It got hot and heavy, and the

512
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Speaker 1: Bengals found a way to make it happen. Yeah, I

513
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: think I think before the actual you know, gonge or

514
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Speaker 1: free agency started at four o'clock, you know, it was

515
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: like pipe dream. Then all of a sudden, what no offers?

516
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: What the market looks a little dry, And the day

517
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Speaker 1: goes by and then it's like, wow, this this could

518
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Speaker 1: possibly happen. I mean it fell into and fell into

519
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Speaker 1: their laps kind of, and they and they responded, and uh,

520
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: when opportunity knocked, they pulled the door open. Many they

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Speaker 1: opened it with opened the door with open arms, um

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Speaker 1: and you got you got to give him credit for that.

523
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Speaker 1: I don't think that that was somebody that's, oh man,

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Speaker 1: this this is gonna We're gonna be in the mix

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Speaker 1: for Orlando Brown. I don't think they anticipated they would be,

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Speaker 1: but boy it it showed itself and and they they

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Speaker 1: responded and find fashion there's no question because I had

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Speaker 1: Frank on Um did a podcast with him the day

529
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Speaker 1: before the podcast it's up there now is we just

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Speaker 1: did that this morning a reaction to the Orlando Brown

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Speaker 1: did a podcast with him, and then that night last

532
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Speaker 1: night they signed a Lando brownna oh man, I got

533
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: to get an addendum or we can't do a podcast

534
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Speaker 1: with Frank that doesn't include Orlando Brown. Well we're gonna

535
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: do it, but you know, say, okay if reference are

536
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Speaker 1: Orlando Brown podcast, because it's not covered in this other one.

537
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Speaker 1: He covers a lot of other good stuff. But man,

538
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,479
Speaker 1: I said, or you're you're poker faced. I don't want

539
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: to play cards against you. You gave no indication. It

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00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: sounded like even even that day that you know, when

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Speaker 1: we were doing the podcast that morning. I don't think

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Speaker 1: it was. I think it was something that heated up quickly.

543
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Speaker 1: And uh, and man, they could have to and let

544
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Speaker 1: it boil over. I know one thing, when training camp

545
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: rolls around in August, you're gonna be standing by that

546
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Speaker 1: old line. You're gonna have your notepad in front of you.

547
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Speaker 1: You're gonna be salivating watching Orlando Brown and this group

548
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Speaker 1: get ready for the season. Zoos, that's gonna be the

549
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Speaker 1: call of the while for me. Zoos. We're four out. Man.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you that that is uh. I just can't

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Speaker 1: wait to see him, you know, in action he is

552
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: he is one big human being that he that can move.

553
00:30:55,640 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: I really, I really think his feet and his hands

554
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: and everything's in sync. And that length that he has

555
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: is very very extraordinary, very unusual. Been a fun podcast

556
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Speaker 1: and a great last twenty four hours for Bengals fans.

557
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Speaker 1: Appreciate the time. Talk to you soon. You got it,

558
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: Daniel the best. Following my conversation with Lap, the Bengals

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Speaker 1: signed another offensive lineman, Orlando's former college teammate at Oklahoma,

560
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: Cody Ford, who signed a one year deal. Ford was

561
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Speaker 1: a second round draft pick by Buffalo who spent three

562
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Speaker 1: years with the Bills before spending last season with Arizona.

563
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Speaker 1: He has NFL starts at both guard spots and right tackle,

564
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Speaker 1: and is another huge man at six three, three hundred

565
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Speaker 1: twenty nine pounds. His Pro Football Focus grades have not

566
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Speaker 1: been good so far, but he does add experience and

567
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Speaker 1: versatility and perhaps will perform better under Bengals offensive line

568
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Speaker 1: coach Frank Pollock. As I mentioned in my chat with

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Speaker 1: lap Rams, safety Nick Scott visited with the Bengals on Thursday,

570
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: and LA's other free agent safety Taylor Rapp, is scheduled

571
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: to visit on Friday. Scott is twenty six years old

572
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: and became a full time starter last year. Rapp is

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Speaker 1: twenty five and has been a full time starter for

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Speaker 1: the last two years. They were both drafted in twenty

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Speaker 1: nineteen and have four years of NFL experience. The Bengals

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Speaker 1: of success in free agency on defense by following this formula,

583
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Speaker 1: sign ascending players in their mid twenties to their second

584
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Speaker 1: NFL contract. That was the case with DJ Reader, Trey Hendrickson,

585
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: Chitube Awouge, and Mike Hilton, among others. Well. That also

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Speaker 1: applies to their own players like Sam Hubbard and now

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Speaker 1: Jermaine Pratt. I talked to him this week after he

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Speaker 1: put pen to paper. Jermaine, at the end of the

589
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Speaker 1: AFC Championship game against Kansas City. I saw you sitting

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Speaker 1: on a stool in the locker room. You're obviously disappointed

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Speaker 1: about the loss. I got the vibe just looking at

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Speaker 1: you that day that you're at least considering, Man, is

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Speaker 1: this my last game in Cincinnati? Was that going through

594
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: your mind? Or was I just reading into it too much? Someway,

595
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: I was thinking like, maybe this is my last game,

596
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Speaker 1: but I knew that that we have some on done,

597
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Speaker 1: finished on business to taken care of, so I feel

598
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Speaker 1: like it would need to come back. You've made something

599
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: like six million dollars in your career to this point.

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Speaker 1: A lot of that gets taken out in taxes. Obviously

601
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Speaker 1: when you sign that second contract. When you earn that

602
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: second contract. That's the type of money that can take

603
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Speaker 1: care of your kids. They're kids, your mom, etc. Has

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00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 1: that sunk in? It really hads me yet until I

605
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: get it, probably, but they really hasn't. So I'm just

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Speaker 1: I don't know, just living in the moment. What's the

607
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 1: feeling of pride in earning this? They don't just hand

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Speaker 1: you a deal like this. I mean, just keep on working,

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Speaker 1: you know. You know, once you work, you'll get what

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Speaker 1: you want. You know, in life, Mom always told me

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00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: to work for work or whatever you put in the work,

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00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: you'll get what you want. You know, keep on working

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Speaker 1: on your crab, getting better each and every day, and

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00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: then everything you'll pay up. Watching you play over the

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00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: last four years, it seems like the game has slowed down.

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Speaker 1: Is that a good way to describe how you feel? Yeah? Absolutely,

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00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: just slow down. I can see stuff so much. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'll get a different lens of glasses out to say

619
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Speaker 1: a little bit blind when I first got a night league,

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Speaker 1: So when I'll put on a new pair of glasses,

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Speaker 1: it helped me out a lot. How much did winning

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Speaker 1: factor into this decision? Hughes? You know he was everybody

623
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Speaker 1: want to win, you know, everybody want money. Everybody want

624
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,439
Speaker 1: to win, so you take take more to go to

625
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: a team that ain't winning. You'll be miserable your rookie year.

626
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: The team lost the first eleven games that you were

627
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: on an NFL roster to distant memory. I guess when

628
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Speaker 1: you go to a Super Bowl, in an FC championship

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Speaker 1: game the last two you glad isn't the distant Mary?

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Speaker 1: You know, you're just knowing what happened. The first two years.

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Speaker 1: You didn't really know what was going on. You didn't

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00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: really know what guy was doing to you know, he

633
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 1: didn't know this NFL football like this what welcome to

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Speaker 1: football is? You know, welcome to the NFL. You didn't

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00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: know what you're getting into. But everything has changed over

636
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: the two years I've been here. We've been winning. We

637
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: headed to the right direction. We just won two three

638
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: players away from winning the Super Bowl. So why not

639
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 1: come back? Why not trying to compete for a championship

640
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: with the guys that you started with. You put it

641
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: in and people are blue collar and know what winning

642
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: look like. You know, guys, guys are putting in the

643
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: work in all season, like pushing it as a step

644
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: to try to win the Super Bowl. You expressed the

645
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: desire publicly at times last year to be on the

646
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: field more on third down, and Pro Football Focus created

647
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: you as that I think the third best coverage linebacker

648
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: in the NFL. When you were making the case that

649
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,439
Speaker 1: you should be on the field more on third down,

650
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: was that kind of the proof that you felt that

651
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: you were good in that role? I mean, I just

652
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: know my ability of what I can do. You know,

653
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: the first two years probably helped me back from being

654
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: on the field third down. But you know, each and

655
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,439
Speaker 1: every year you can see the stats. I'm getting better

656
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 1: each and every year, and I'm I'm continue to get better.

657
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: You know, I know I have a long way to go.

658
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: I'm not dis way about last year no more. You know,

659
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: gotta put it behind me. How to figure out how

660
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,919
Speaker 1: to get better, you know, to be the top top

661
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: linebacker and lead top five linebackers. I gotta keep on

662
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: getting better. The Bengals were obviously thrilled to keep you,

663
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: but you don't keep everybody in free agency, and on Monday,

664
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: Jesse and Vaughan both elected to sign elsewhere where. Does

665
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: that hurt the defense in your opinion? I mean, you

666
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: gotta figure out you find the safety, you know, safety,

667
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: the defense roll. I mean the defense run because of linebackers,

668
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: but safeties help help a lot. You know, they they

669
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: they had to clean up. You know, the last defense.

670
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: You know, any ball anything split, the last defender got

671
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: to make that tackle. You know, just did a huge job.

672
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: If a bass without he knocked it down, you know

673
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: it went in too many supposed to plays back there

674
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: on the back end. Varne did it as well too,

675
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: So it's all be hard replacing them guys. But I

676
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: know that we got dats and whoever. We get a

677
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: couple of days, so we get somebody that's great. This

678
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: gonna be a oil in draft that's ready to play.

679
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: You've got to figure it out. Tax is the first

680
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: round pick for a reason. Do you think that he

681
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 1: could basically fill in in either of those roles Jesse's

682
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: role or Von's role, depending on who else is at it.

683
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: I mean he versed him. You know, he's a fast

684
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: guy that can cover. He can do it all. He

685
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: played corner and played nickel, he played everything. So a

686
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: guy that you know, he understand football. If you can

687
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 1: play out of multiple roles, so put him in one

688
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: role can help him out a lot. And then make

689
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: him be a baller like Jesse was. After the FC

690
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: Championship game, you expressed your frustration over the Joseph Osid

691
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: penalty at the end of that game, and then the

692
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: next day you came out publicly and apologized and said,

693
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: I let my emotions get the best to me. I

694
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: wasn't a great teammate in those situations. In that situation,

695
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 1: why did you feel that was important to do? It's

696
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: the right thing to do? It wasn't important. Thing is

697
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 1: the right thing he can do. You know, as I

698
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: tell myself, I look at myself as a man in

699
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: the mirror and as a father. You gotta tell you

700
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: meant when you're wrong. You know, because my son you'll

701
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: see that when he get out of you'll see why

702
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: Dad yell at this guy over a game of football.

703
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 1: You know it didn't You gotta look at Oh Daddy

704
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: did apologize, He meet will He was wrong. So you

705
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,959
Speaker 1: gotta be the bigger guy. Don't matter who pointing the finger,

706
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: who telling you you did wrong, wrong and stuff. Once

707
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 1: you tell him yourself that you did wrong, and you

708
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 1: can go out in the public and tell him that

709
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: you did wrong, you you're satisfied. At the end of

710
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 1: the day. Have you had a chance to visit with Joseph. No,

711
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: I haven't, but we talked to a taste messages, so

712
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: you know, we got a little group taste masses with

713
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: the group with the guys that we play pain pong with.

714
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: So we we've been sharing words about before. P J

715
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: Ho is one of your closest friends, going back to

716
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: your days together at NC State. How did he react

717
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: to you resigning to the Bengals. He wanted me to

718
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: save his head. I guess he was happy. He was

719
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: happy for me, you know, happy that I'm back with

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00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: the guys. You know, I was very happy for him

721
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: to be here with me. So I know he very

722
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: happy for me be here with him. Are you going

723
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 1: to hold him to that promise to go ball? Yeah? Absolutely.

724
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: You gotta be bald with me. You know, this is

725
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: one of the best haircuts that you haven't Yeah. So

726
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: you made one of the most famous defensive plays in

727
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 1: franchise history with the interception at the end of the

728
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: Raiders game that ended the long drought without a playoff victory.

729
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: Here's my question, are you getting enough credit for your

730
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: role in the Sam Hubbard ninety eight yard fumble returned

731
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: touchdown this year. Yeah, I got great. I didn't did

732
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: what I need to do, you know, stop the initial

733
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: or running about a quarterback, and then Logan knocked it

734
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: out there. Sam did. We did, Ruyn Sam Ryn Sam.

735
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: He did his job, you know, he took care of

736
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: other risk the ninety eight. I've looked at that replay

737
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: numerous times. Your hand was in there too. I don't

738
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: know if you deserve like one third credit for the

739
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: forest fumble or something like that, but you may have

740
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: had part of that as well. I mean probably did.

741
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: But you know rists history, Sam did to everything that

742
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: we needed to get it. We saw his speed. Yeah,

743
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: very good speed. Hey, this is great for the franchise

744
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: and obviously great for you and your family. Congratulations on

745
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: a well deserved contract extension and we look forward to

746
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: a visiting again when you guys are back for OTIS. Yes, sir,

747
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: thank you. The Bengals Booth Podcast is brought to you

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Speaker 1: Now time for our third edition of the three round

752
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: mock draft with an NFL expert. Here's the concept. When

753
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: I attended the NFL Combine a couple of weeks ago,

754
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,919
Speaker 1: I had the Pro Football Focus mock draft simulator set

755
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: up on my laptop and invited several NFL experts to

756
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: make the Bengals picks in the first three rounds while

757
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:50,240
Speaker 1: discussing their options. If you've never tried a draft simulator before,

758
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: it allows you to play Bengals GM for as many

759
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: rounds of the draft as you want. The simulator begins

760
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: making picks in order, and then when it's return you'll

761
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: get trade proposals and decide whether you want to wheel

762
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: and deal or go ahead and pick. It's a good

763
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: way to get to know the players who are likely

764
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: to be available when the Bengals around the clock in

765
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: late April. Dane Brugler from The Athletic chose Maryland cornerback

766
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: Deonte Banks in the first round, Northwestern defensive lineman at

767
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: A Tommy wah at A bare in the second, and

768
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: Iowa tight end Sam Laporta in the third. He received

769
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: an A minus grade from Pro Football Focus. Pete Prisco

770
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: from CBS Sports chose Utah tight end Dalton Kincaid in

771
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: round one, Washington State linebacker day On Henley in round two,

772
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: and BYU offensive tackle Blake Freeland in round three. He

773
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: received a B grade. Now Time four contestant number three

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00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: Time to do a three round Bengals mock draft on

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00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: a simulator with Ryan Fowler from the Draft Network. I'm

776
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: about to hit start draft and we are underway. The

777
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: picks are flying off the board. I'm seeing several quarterbacks.

778
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: Joey Porter just went off the board. He would have

779
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 1: been nice to Cincinnati in any case. Michael Mayer, the

780
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: tight end from Notre Dame, just went off the board.

781
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 1: We have reached pick number twenty eight. The Buffalo Bills

782
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: have just selected cornerback Cam Smith out of South Carolina. Ryan,

783
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: take a look at some of the picks that just

784
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: went off the board, and then we'll see who you

785
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: like for the Bengals at twenty eight. Yeah, I'm going

786
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 1: to check out tight end here. And the reason why

787
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: I say that is because I need more weapons on

788
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: offense to spread out this offense for Cincinnati. You got

789
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: guys on the outside. We'll see what happens with te

790
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: Higgins moving forward. But you got to quarterback in Joe Burrow,

791
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: and you want to change the math on defense, and

792
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 1: what I mean by that is you want to get

793
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: guys all eleven guys on defense. Asked them to cover everybody,

794
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: not just Jamar Chase, not just not just Tyler Boyd.

795
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Luke Musgrave, tight end from Oregon State,

796
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,919
Speaker 1: consistently running in the fourth four. He's gonna surprise today.

797
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 1: So him down to mobile. He looks like an offensive tackle.

798
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 1: He's all of six, five sixty six. Extremely impressive individual.

799
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,879
Speaker 1: You had Luke Musgrave in that offense run pass game.

800
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow another set of hands, another sure handed kid

801
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: of the middle field. Not just a guy that you

802
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: can target third and four, third and five, first and ten.

803
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: You want to play action. Asked him to stretch to scene.

804
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:18,760
Speaker 1: Luke Musgrave from Morgan State is one of my favorite

805
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: players in this class. Dalton Kincaid was still on the

806
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 1: board when you made that pick. You like Musgrave, Moore,

807
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: I absolutely do, yes. I know Dalton is extremely well

808
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: refined prospect. You can play the y, which means in line,

809
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: play the f flex out to the perimeter, but Luke

810
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: Musgrave can do the same. Seeing him live. I know

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00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 1: we only played two games this year, a nasty scar

812
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,919
Speaker 1: down his knee. Seeing him live and seeing him move,

813
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: you know when he as an individual and put Luke

814
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: Musgrave and Cincinnati. I love that pick. Dan on to

815
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: round two with Ryan Fowler from the Draft Network. Josh Downs,

816
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: a wide receiver from North Carolina, was just taken by Buffalo.

817
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: The pick before that was offensive lineman Tyler Steen and

818
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 1: he went to the Cowboys out of Alabama. We moved

819
00:44:55,800 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: to your second pick, number sixty overall for Cincinnati. Absolutely.

820
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: For me, I want some offensive line help. And I

821
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: know the top of the board is a little bit rough,

822
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: not too deep an offensive tackle class here, But for me,

823
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Matthew bergeron from Syracuse, another guy that

824
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: was down at the Senior Bowl and seeing him live

825
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 1: everything for me, And it starts with footwork. And it

826
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: really doesn't matter what sport you play. I don't care

827
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: if it's hockey. I don't care if it's basketball, or

828
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: you're playing offensive tackle in the NFL and you get

829
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: Joe Burtle, keep him upright. That's been the issue in Cincinnati.

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00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: We talked about it for a long time. I feel

831
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 1: like Dan so keeping him upright, young, fresh set of legs. Again.

832
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: You want to run the ball, he can do that

833
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: for you. You You want to ask him to drop his

834
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: anchor and pass pro and allow Joe Burtle to sling

835
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: at thirty five forty times a game, Matthew Bergeron can

836
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: do that for you. L Collins is coming back from

837
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,959
Speaker 1: a torn acl it happened on Christmas Eve. Not sure

838
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 1: if he's going to be good to go for the

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00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: start of the season. Can Bergeron step in at right

840
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: tackle if me'd be and play right away? Absolutely? And

841
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: I think if he does have to sit, it's fine

842
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: there because you're grabbing depth. He can be an OT

843
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: one where he can be a guy that can sit

844
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: a here. So I like that pig because he has

845
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: that depth ability and then he can come in right

846
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: away and start. And if he does start, I think

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Speaker 1: if LA word to miss time, you can say Matthew

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Speaker 1: Bergeron is the future. There got a tight end in

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Speaker 1: round one and an offensive tackle in round two. We

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Speaker 1: move on to our third and final pick with Ryan

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Speaker 1: Fowler from the Draft Network. We're looking at some of

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Speaker 1: the guys that just went off the board, including Tucker Craft.

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Speaker 1: Now you've already taken a tight end, but Bengals fans

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Speaker 1: have probably seen that name, the tight end out of

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Speaker 1: South Dakota State. He just went to the New York Giants.

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Speaker 1: What position are you looking for in round three? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna take all the corners. And there's

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Speaker 1: a couple of positions in this In the NFL and

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Speaker 1: in the draft to where you look. You never have

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Speaker 1: enough had rushers. You never have guys on the offensive

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Speaker 1: side of the ball receiver that can separate, and you

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Speaker 1: can never have enough guys that can cover because we

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Speaker 1: know how pass happy the NFL is. In A name

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Speaker 1: that is a riser in this class is Jacorey and

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Speaker 1: Bennett fro Maryland. We saw him yesterday a round four three.

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Speaker 1: I was not surprised by that. He's been testing well

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Speaker 1: all throughout the winter watching him at Maryland. Deontay Banks

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Speaker 1: got all the attention at Maryland this year, but Jacoreyan

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Speaker 1: Bennett is play the nickel, he can play outside if

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Speaker 1: need be, and he can be a special team's core contributor.

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Speaker 1: And that's something that's consistently overlooked every single year in

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Speaker 1: the draft. Those are your core glue guys that separate.

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Speaker 1: When you get to January, getting cold football in Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: and there's snow coming down, who's gonna run down as

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Speaker 1: a gunner on kickoff or punt and light somebody up

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Speaker 1: and then come on defense and earn snaps as well.

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Speaker 1: And I'm gonna take Jacoreyan Bennett from Maryland there. Time

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Speaker 1: to look at your grades. Feel free to disagree with

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Speaker 1: how Pro Football Focus has ranked your grades. They love

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Speaker 1: your second round pick, Matthew Bergier on Yeah, that's get

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Speaker 1: the A with Matthew Bergier on C minus. So Luke Musgrave,

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Speaker 1: that's fine, you give me a C minus, but I'm gonna,

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Speaker 1: you know, five years down the road, we can look

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Speaker 1: back at that and Jacoryan Bennett D minus. I'm not

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Speaker 1: worried about it at all. Again, Jacoreyan Bennett someone that

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Speaker 1: again is riser in this class. I don't think he

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Speaker 1: gets out of that ninety two spot. He's a top

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Speaker 1: one hundred guy on my personal board. Again, depth in

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Speaker 1: the corners room, you can never have enough of it.

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Speaker 1: You gotta cover guys and the AC north and I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna take Jacorey in there. Despite the that I have

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Speaker 1: here from this mock drafting Lade. Well, it's interesting to

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Speaker 1: me because you took him ninety second. That's where the

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Speaker 1: Bengals are drafting in the third round right now. Pro

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Speaker 1: Football Focus has him graded as the ninety eighth player

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Speaker 1: on their big board. They probably give you a D

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Speaker 1: grade before the incredible time he ran at the scouting combine,

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Speaker 1: So I suspect with a little more analysis, that would

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Speaker 1: probably be pretty well received as a third round pick. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: and I think the scouting combine as much as it

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Speaker 1: is fun watching these guys work out in T shirt

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Speaker 1: and shorts, you know, film has to have to hold weight, right,

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Speaker 1: it has to hold weight. But being here seeing him

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Speaker 1: run in the athletic profile who he is that matters

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Speaker 1: as well. And athletes that run fast and test well,

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Speaker 1: they just don't last long on boards and ninety two overall,

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Speaker 1: it's a heck of amount of value for a guy

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Speaker 1: of his ability. Your overall grade from Pro Football Focus

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Speaker 1: was a B minus, so not awful, and I know

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Speaker 1: that Bengals fans like the idea of tight end tackle

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Speaker 1: and cornerback. Ryan Fowler, you did this extremely well. Appreciate

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Speaker 1: your time. Thanks so much, Dan, Ryan made those picks

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Speaker 1: for the Bengals signed Orlando Brown, so that might have

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Speaker 1: impacted his selection of offensive lineman Matthew bergeron in round two,

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Speaker 1: but then again, that was his highest graded pick. More

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Speaker 1: NFL expert mock drafts still to look forward to in

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Speaker 1: the weeks to come. That's going to do it for

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