1 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: Welcome into Northside Territory Foul Territory Networks Cubs Podcast. I'm 2 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: Sahadev Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney. We are your 3 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic Patrick, there was 4 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 1: a fun WBC final, pretty entertaining. We talked briefly about 5 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: it the other day. But obviously Bryce Harper with that 6 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: huge home run. Venezuela comes back, takes the lead in 7 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: the top of the ninth and I think it was 8 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 1: the top of the ninth, right, And then our guy 9 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: Daniel Polentsi is out there for the save. He he 10 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: mowed him down one, two, three, and I don't think 11 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: I think he however many innings he pitched, he didn't 12 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: allow a hit. He allowed what five innings? And was 13 00:00:55,480 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: it one? No hits, one walk? Just pretty nap stuff 14 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: from Daniel Palencia. You were, you were, You're out in camp. 15 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:09,919 Speaker 1: Uh what's the buzz about Daniel Palencia? And and I guess, uh, 16 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: how how did the Cubs handle him being used like 17 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: That's There's there's two things here. Great to see him 18 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: out on that stage looking like a dominant closer. The 19 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 1: other thing is, uh, he's getting used like a dominant 20 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: closer like it's the postseason when it's actually like, you know, 21 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 1: mid March. 22 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 2: Well, let's go back to that that night. I didn't 23 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 2: it didn't really fit into my story, but it was 24 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 2: kind of cool, you know, with the time differences between 25 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 2: Arizona and Florida. The Cubs have a Cactus League game 26 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 2: that's sort of in the middle of play. While that 27 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 2: game's about to wrap up, so uh, we speak with 28 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 2: showed him and as you know, this late game sequence 29 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 2: is playing out, so you have like you know, showed 30 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 2: a going back into the clubhouse and media people and 31 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 2: Cubs pr kind of like either watching it on their 32 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,239 Speaker 2: phone or people are going back into the clubhouse to 33 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 2: watch saw there was a kind of an office in 34 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 2: the clubhouse that through a window you could watch the game. 35 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,679 Speaker 2: So I kind of saw the last out very creepily 36 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 2: walked walking through a window that it goes into like 37 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 2: a storage area or you know whatever in the clubhouse. 38 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 2: And so a great moment for Danny P. That was 39 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 2: kind of the name that was buzzing about Sloan Park 40 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 2: the other night, just Cubs people, how about Danny P. 41 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 2: Look at Danny P and you know, as you know, 42 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 2: a really nice story, just this kind of raw starting 43 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 2: pitching prospect they acquire in the Ephan trade at the 44 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 2: twenty twenty one deadline. And I know you had heard this, 45 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 2: and you help me with some of these stories of 46 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 2: just how Polentsia really kind of needed to mature understandably, 47 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 2: and that he had to figure out how to get 48 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 2: his body ready to be a viable major league reliever, 49 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 2: and also not to take it so personally like if 50 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 2: he was optioned out or you know, didn't make a 51 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 2: club out of spring training, and I mean that moment 52 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 2: for a team. Venezuela was a year to the day 53 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 2: of when the Cubs optioned him officially with Iowa and 54 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 2: he did not make the Tokyo Series roster, he didn't 55 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 2: make the domestic opening day roster, and I was out 56 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 2: there in San Diego. There's a little bit of a 57 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 2: shake up last April and they brought him up. I 58 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 2: believe that was the day they sent Matt Shaw back 59 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 2: to Iowa to work on his swing. And so for 60 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 2: him to kind of unleash you know, his fastball, his 61 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 2: emotions while also uh really controlling the game and his 62 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 2: emotions was impressive to watch. I think it left no 63 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 2: doubt who the club's closer should be. I was referencing 64 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 2: your story earlier in camp of just how stunned reporters 65 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 2: were when Craig Council confirmed that he would be the 66 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 2: closer or the save getter, you know, on opening day, 67 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 2: and he definitely showed why. And that is one part 68 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 2: of the story, and the other part is, like, dude, 69 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 2: that's a lot of work, a lot of high intensity 70 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 2: pitching for the middle of March. 71 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I love the like I love the WBC. 72 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 1: I think it's fun. Maybe I just like, I mean, 73 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: I just like base like competitive baseball. So maybe it 74 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 1: just like gets our fix in before the season actually starts. 75 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: Maybe it's as simple as that. Like I've said on 76 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 1: this podcast and talk to other people about it, seems 77 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: like players are starting to care a lot more and 78 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 1: that makes it more fun. And Polencia is a passionate 79 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: dude out there who who you know, gets into the moment. 80 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: I mean, remember he had that moment with the Yeah, 81 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: it was last season with Wilson Contreras. Y. You know, 82 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: he can so he can kind of like it can 83 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: agitate people because he's emotional. That's what happens emotional players 84 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: will like it'll rub people the wrong way during the game, 85 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 1: So it's it has, you know, the capability of bringing 86 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 1: out like a little bit of drama in that sense. 87 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 1: And then obviously like he's trying to get the final 88 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: three outs in close games, so there's always drama involved, 89 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: whether it's him blowing a game against the Nationals, you know, 90 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: and then like falling over in pain, think huge outs 91 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Like he's he's a fun guy to watch, 92 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 1: a good story. Like you said, like came in to 93 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 1: camp last year, different body, different mentality. I really appreciated 94 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 1: the mental aspect with him, where he was talking about 95 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: how he just really struggled with the bad moments and 96 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: he really struggled with he was coming into games with 97 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 1: like a negative mindset, thinking of what could go wrong. 98 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 1: And you can't do that in base You can't do 99 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: that in any walk of life, but especially in baseball, 100 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 1: especially as a reliever. Like these are just bad ways 101 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: to go about business. But yes, his health and it's 102 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: gonna be interesting. I'm curious to see, like do they 103 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: really limit how much they use him over the next 104 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 1: seven days, you know, is it like a like just 105 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: get him one more tune up before the season, like 106 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: I like, have they even hinted at that maybe, I 107 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 1: guess we'll just have to wait and see. But you know, 108 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 1: it shouldn't be like something like that's the reason, like 109 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 1: if whatever happened like that, Like we can't just right 110 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: now say like this is a huge red flag. It's 111 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: not a red flag yet, but it also is something 112 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: like not ideal. You don't you know, you don't want 113 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: the guys like, you know, revving it up max at 114 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: this point. It's a little worrisome. But also like this, 115 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: like you said, you got option around this time. This 116 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: was around when Japan started, so they kind of like 117 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: it was a weird ramp up last year for the 118 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: relievers and and the Cubs did admit that that threw 119 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: some guys off though, like because you ramp it up 120 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: and then you have like this week in between games 121 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: again and it's like how do we get back on schedule. 122 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: It was a little different last year because they didn't 123 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: have any days off once the season started. They had 124 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: like a four game I believe it was a four 125 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: game set to start Arizona and they yeah, and they 126 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: didn't have days off that through I know, like at 127 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: the time. I remember fan and saying like this is 128 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: excuse making, but that type of stuff will throw off 129 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: a bullpen because you had this weird ramp up. You 130 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: had these two games, a week off and then four games. 131 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: It just like threw off how the pitchers were going 132 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: to how you're ramping these pictures up, especially the bullpen. 133 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: So maybe maybe it isn't as bad as we think, 134 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: but we'll see. Well, you know, I don't think there's 135 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: any panic alarms being set off, just kind of like 136 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: this is this is what you have to deal with 137 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: the type situation. 138 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good, good question. It was. So that 139 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 2: game was Tuesday night Wednesday morning, and talking to council, 140 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 2: it was more kind of replaying that than laying out scheduling. 141 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 2: The plan was. The assumption was, you know, the WBC 142 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 2: players will be flying back Wednesday. Thursday is an off 143 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 2: day in Arizona for the club. Then it's a Friday 144 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 2: night game, so you'd kind of have the weekend. There's 145 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 2: two exhibitions against the Yankees, and you're right, there is 146 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 2: you know, a lot more off day flexibility there at 147 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 2: the end of March in Chicago, and so I believe 148 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 2: on the Fox broadcast. You know, they had gotten into 149 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,199 Speaker 2: a little bit of how certain teams had reached out 150 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 2: to both clubs about, uh, you know usage, you know, 151 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 2: with relief in regards to relievers, and you know in 152 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 2: which situations. And so I just asked counsel to explain 153 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 2: sort of the back and forth between the Cubs and Venezuela, 154 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 2: and he said, the usage is more than anybody would 155 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 2: like at this time of year, but the moment was 156 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 2: also a moment that you want someone to experience. So 157 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 2: if it was going to be usage that we weren't 158 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 2: comfortable with, we wanted to make sure the moment that 159 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 2: every player should get to experience. So I took that 160 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 2: to mean, you know, a safe situation, it's pitching back 161 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 2: to back, that's pitching three times in four days. Mark 162 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 2: de Rosa said quote honoring the Padres in terms of 163 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 2: explaining why Mason Miller wasn't used in the tie game 164 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 2: in the ninth inning for Team USA. So it's all valid, 165 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 2: you know, these are all valid points of what's the 166 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 2: kind of ramp down ramp up going to be. But 167 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:40,559 Speaker 2: I still think you kind of have to let players perform. 168 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 2: I think the potential benefit of that moment and just 169 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 2: the kind of priceless nature of it something that will 170 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 2: stay with Daniel Palencia. For rest outweighs the injury risk, 171 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 2: it's you know, I mean, we'll see when we show 172 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 2: up Friday, you know what the updates are and what 173 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:05,599 Speaker 2: Polentia says, and you know, but just something that he 174 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 2: had worked really hard for and meant so much to 175 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 2: his country. To be the guy on the mound, you know, 176 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 2: in the middle of the field. To get mobbed like 177 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 2: that by your teammates is something that rarely comes along, 178 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 2: and he certainly just maximized that opportunity and really showed 179 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 2: why you have to trust him. In October, I mean 180 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:35,719 Speaker 2: getting show, hey, o Tani have to pop up and 181 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 2: in an elimination game like it's it's not hard to 182 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 2: sort of wonder what it would look like at Dodger Stadium. 183 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: In Yeah, I think I know, I in my head 184 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 1: when I think about the trade, like dominant closer, that's 185 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: that right now. We're months away from really knowing what 186 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 1: the Cubs would need, But that's kind of where your 187 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:04,839 Speaker 1: head goes. Maybe we're wrong, Maybe it's bullpen depth and 188 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: you know, whatever, whatever need pops up and dominant closer 189 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: is already there because we just we don't realize, we 190 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: haven't fully seen that Daniel Plenti is about to take 191 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 1: that step up and become a top ten reliever. I 192 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: don't know, relievers are weird. Baseball's a weird game when 193 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: it comes to bullpens, so you always feel a little 194 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: uncomfortable predicting something like that. But he's had big moments, 195 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: He's he's struggled in them at times, and he's dominated 196 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: in them. So he's he's had all those feelings. He's 197 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 1: gone through the emotions in whether it's the WBC or 198 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: the playoffs, he's experienced a lot of it, like these 199 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 1: really high pressure moments. He wasn't a closer in the postseason, 200 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: but he was. He was put out there in huge 201 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: moments and he failed. I believe he gave up a 202 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 1: three run homer in a game was still maybe catchable. 203 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: I can't remember the exact score to the to the Brewers. 204 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: But then he had some really big moments against both 205 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: the Brewers and the and the Padres. Obviously this this 206 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: WBC was dominant. Uh So he's on the precipice, it 207 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: seems like, and this seems like we could be like 208 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: watching the emergence of a dominant closer. If that's the case. 209 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: I did have one person tell me, you know, when 210 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: when writing about you know what you said about Council 211 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: said he's he's the closer, and how surprising that was. 212 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: I had one person tell me, like, I know, it's 213 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,439 Speaker 1: you know, cliche, but he does look insane right now, 214 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: like body wise and then stuff wise he looks great. 215 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: It's the type of thing it's like, do you try 216 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: and get him cheap and like extend to extend the guy. 217 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 1: That's just someone throwing that out there. That's not that's 218 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: that's not like a front That was not a front 219 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 1: office guy saying that we're gonna do this. It was 220 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: it was someone observing him that felt like this, this 221 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:04,839 Speaker 1: is what it looks like when it's about to, you know, 222 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: get really good. Can he keep on that trajectory, we'll see. 223 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 1: But he is an exciting reliever that this is kind 224 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: of like the dream you want. You want a bullpen 225 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: full of these guys. If you can develop a more 226 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: Daniel Palencia as you'll take that as a huge win. 227 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break and talk more pitching. 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You 252 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: don't want to take too much away from it, but 253 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: there's one. Let's start with the bad and it's it's 254 00:15:55,920 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: gotten to the point where where we have to talk 255 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: about the results because Jamison Tyne is even talking about 256 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: the results, and and like the way Counsel has always explained, 257 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: it is like you want the good results obviously, but 258 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: do do you freak out about the bad results? You 259 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: try not to, but this is so I think the 260 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: way it's gone with Tyne is three bad outings. It's 261 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: spring training, a really solid good start for Team Canada, 262 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: and then enough like a terrible outing back in camp 263 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: for the Cubs. 264 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 2: Uh. 265 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: He spoke afterwards, tell us I guess like we can 266 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: read the words of what he said, but what was 267 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: your what what were you gathering from that moment? Because 268 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: he admitted like he did like at a certain point, 269 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: like you know he wants to get better results. 270 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know Tyne very well. I can. I think 271 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 2: most fans who've watched his press conferences after it starts 272 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 2: actually get a very good view of like who he 273 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 2: is as a person like and I think that's a 274 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 2: good strategy on his part. I think his like accountability, 275 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 2: his honesty, his thoughtfulness, like is part of why he 276 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 2: has this excellent clubhouse reputation. I remember when the Cups 277 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 2: signed him, I had someone from the Pirates and the Yankees, 278 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 2: you know, who had dealt with him at his two 279 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:38,719 Speaker 2: prior stops. But like, this guy's makeup is off the charts. 280 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 2: And you know, so as we're talking to him the 281 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 2: other day, like I just kind of towards the end, 282 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 2: I was just like, you know, you're an established pitcher, 283 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 2: Like you could just say, like, dude, it's spring training. 284 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 2: Next question, like why haven't you And it wasn't only 285 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 2: my question that was just it was kind of just 286 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 2: over over, But you know, he just had like the 287 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 2: games telling me something that like, yes, it's this doesn't 288 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 2: go in the back of my baseball card. And there 289 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,719 Speaker 2: was a time when spring training stats like weren't even uh, 290 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 2: you know, available out there, but like you have to 291 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:23,199 Speaker 2: get good lineups out during the regular season, and like 292 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 2: this is telling me, like my stuff isn't good enough 293 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 2: right now. And so there are various theories about this. 294 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 2: You know, he's someone who does like to tinker. You know, 295 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 2: he is getting older. They've seen his stuff tick down 296 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 2: a little bit. He likes to nerd out on this stuff. Anyways. 297 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 2: You know Tommy Hottevey and his group, uh, you know, 298 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 2: the various pitching coaches you know, always have ideas and 299 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 2: kind of uh you know, metrics that they can you know, 300 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 2: take and then try to interpret and come up with 301 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 2: various plans for how to get X, Y or Z, 302 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 2: you know, incrementally better. And you know, I think everyone 303 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 2: agrees that maybe they've tinkered a bit too much and 304 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:13,479 Speaker 2: maybe have to streamline. Now, you know, tyn acknowledge that 305 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:17,479 Speaker 2: there's a mental side to this too, Like when these 306 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 2: bad outings accumulate, it's hard to totally get out of 307 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 2: your head when you're on the mound. So there's mental aspect. 308 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 2: There's some you know, mechanical adjustments they'd like to make. 309 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 2: Council said. The good part is he should have two 310 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 2: more starts in Arizona to kind of get this right. 311 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:48,239 Speaker 2: He's projected to be on the back end of this 312 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 2: rotation schedule wise. So yeah, like, I don't you know, 313 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 2: no one likes writing about spring training results like you 314 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 2: you know, you can look full that way, and you 315 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:07,959 Speaker 2: know these games don't really matter, and also like his 316 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 2: job status isn't really in question when you know you're 317 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 2: you have a big contract, and as Counsel pointed out, 318 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 2: you know, like five months ago, uh, this guy started 319 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 2: two huge games for the Cups and performed extremely well. 320 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 2: And his track record overall is just very solid and dependable. 321 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 2: He's a reliable you know person and a reliable picture. 322 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 2: So like you can overreact, but when he breaks it 323 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 2: down with that much like you know, perspective and honesty 324 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 2: and you know, a degree of uncertainty, like you gotta 325 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 2: write it, you gotta talk about it because it's it's 326 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,959 Speaker 2: interesting to hear jeally picture kind of process through this. 327 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:59,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, no. I think once he acknowledges it, it's 328 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: definitely something thing like we have to acknowledge, and I 329 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 1: think we all have like we've kind of touched on it, 330 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: because it's not like he's giving up like dinks and dunks, 331 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 1: like they're hitting rockets off of him like consistently right now, 332 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: And like I think part of it is you touched 333 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,719 Speaker 1: on it there, like he's kind of getting in his 334 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: own head a little bit and trying almost trying to 335 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: be too fine. He's probably thinking about things on the 336 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: mountain that he shouldn't be thinking about. I think, I think, 337 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: what you look, this all could mean nothing. This all 338 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 1: could be like, Okay, he locks in on whatever, whenever 339 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,439 Speaker 1: his first start is, April, whatever, first whatever it may be, 340 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: he's locked in and he's ready to go and gives them, 341 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:49,679 Speaker 1: you know, five great innings. I think he would like this. 342 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 1: I think the Cubs would like this. I think all 343 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,679 Speaker 1: the fans that are on edge about it, and actually 344 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: your story, I don't. I don't read a ton of comments, 345 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 1: but like the first few that I read, everyone's like, 346 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: I'm not worried about this, And I was shocked. I 347 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,719 Speaker 1: was completely shocked that the commenters weren't like, get rid 348 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: of him, call Ben Brown up or something, already ready 349 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: to kick him out of the rotation. No, they were 350 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: all like they they were all very level headed about 351 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: the ones that I read, you know, like I said, 352 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 1: three or four, and I think that's probably the right 353 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: way to go about it right now, is just like, Okay, 354 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: let's see what he does in the regular season. You want. 355 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: But my point, what I was getting leading up to 356 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 1: is like I think everyone would like to see one 357 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: good start leading into the leading into the regular season, 358 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: like probably most of all is most important for Tywne's 359 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: mental Just like, okay, there it is, exhale, I'm fine. 360 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 1: The mechanics stuff that I was working on there it is. 361 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:56,199 Speaker 1: I feel right, everything is feeling better. Let's move on 362 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: and just lock it in for the regular season. Because 363 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: you know, he's super professional. You know he's going to 364 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: go about business. You know, he's it sounded like he 365 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 1: wasn't like it sounds like he's working on stuff, and 366 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,919 Speaker 1: he wasn't like blaming anyone because he is someone that 367 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 1: is always working on stuff, but he's like he's trying 368 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 1: to get to a place and isn't in that place 369 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 1: fully where he's fully comfortable with whatever he's working on. 370 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:25,199 Speaker 1: So you know, well, I'm not at the like this 371 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: is a disaster point because it's still spring training, but 372 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: it is. It's certainly on the radar, and you're gonna 373 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 1: be watching him closely until until he goes out there 374 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,880 Speaker 1: and gives you five. Jameson TI own solid innings. 375 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 2: When you mentioned the comment section, I got to give 376 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 2: a shout out to my buddy Paul who once told 377 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 2: me that the mooney. I never read a single word 378 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 2: that you write, but I always read the comment section 379 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 2: every single day just to see people ripping on you. 380 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 2: And so that is what true, true friendship is about. 381 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 2: And you know, I think the the the overreactions in 382 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 2: spring training. You know, I have a hard time, you know, 383 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 2: kind of getting fired up about, you know, some of 384 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 2: these games. I love spring training. I love covering. It 385 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 2: is ideal for us. It's great place to talk to 386 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 2: people and kind of like just think about stories and 387 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 2: develop these storylines and contacts and what have you. But 388 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 2: this has been an unusually kind of like game focused 389 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 2: spring training. Just when you have showed in Monaga, yeah, 390 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 2: coming back and saying, okay, well, what are the kind 391 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:48,959 Speaker 2: of first impressions of his off season program, you have 392 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 2: Matthew Boyd going back and forth to Team USA and 393 00:24:54,600 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 2: Cubs camp, Kate Horton coming off just an awesome rookie 394 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 2: season that went beyond the limits of I think what 395 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 2: most reasonable people would have expected at this time last year. 396 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 2: He looked awesome the other night. And then you have 397 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 2: Edward Cabrera as this you know, pitcher of the Cubs 398 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 2: had coveted for a very long time coming over in 399 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 2: at trade from the Marlins, and like how is he 400 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 2: gonna respond? What's the fine line between helping him improve 401 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 2: and tinkering too much? And Cabrera on Wednesday had a 402 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 2: bad outing. Uh he you know, did not care at 403 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 2: all in the best way possible, Like he just sort 404 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:45,479 Speaker 2: of shrugged it off. And you know, I'm struck by. 405 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 2: He definitely has has a presence. He's kind of been 406 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 2: like an interesting guy just the way he he seems 407 00:25:55,040 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 2: very engaging, you know, just like even speaking Spanish. I 408 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 2: mentioned this before, like making direct eye contact, like you know, 409 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 2: listening to the questions in English, like just just a 410 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 2: really interesting like I'm fascinating to see like how this 411 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 2: plays out as a guy who you know. I know. 412 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 2: Marlin Stadium whatever it's called now a lone deepot Park 413 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 2: was rocking for Daniel Polenci and Team Venezuela. 414 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 1: But been there. 415 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 2: It's usually usually a very quiet place, like even on 416 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 2: opening day several years ago, Like it was exactly like 417 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 2: when the Cubs were there and Ian happ I think it. 418 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: Like hit too. Oh he had a home run on 419 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 1: the first pitch, right, Yeah. 420 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 2: Like even that was kind of like, you know, relatively 421 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 2: muted for opening days up. I'm really just curious to see, 422 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 2: like how aywharre Cabrera gets into the cold at Wrigley 423 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 2: Field in March slash April and pitching for a team 424 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 2: with uh, you know, huge expectations and a really bright 425 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 2: spotlight upon it. I mean, I think it's been so far, 426 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 2: so good in that respect, and then you know, teammates, 427 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 2: you really like his personality. Certainly there's a lot to 428 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 2: work with, but just like how it all plays out, 429 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be one of the bigger, larger 430 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 2: storylines of this season. 431 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very curious to see how he Yeah, how 432 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 1: he looks in front of an elite defense which didn't 433 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: play elite when he was on the mound in that 434 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 1: terrible outing, right, and like that's one of those that's 435 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: definitely one of those where I'm just like, I don't care. 436 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 1: I'm not paying attention to that result. But then on 437 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: the flip side, I did think, like when you get 438 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: as many whips as as Shoda and Kate Horton did, 439 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 1: the swing and miss stuff like the splitter is working 440 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:56,120 Speaker 1: for Shoda. The velocity was averaging ninety one ninety two 441 00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 1: into the game like he was touching ninety like like 442 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: I know we were seeing him like averaging ninety three 443 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: five or whatever early in spring, but that was shorter burst. 444 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: If he can average ninety two something and hold that 445 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 1: for five six innings, I think that is really important. 446 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 1: And I think seeing what he did that last outing, 447 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,199 Speaker 1: I think that that is important. Like you want to 448 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,400 Speaker 1: continue to see him build his confidence. I don't think 449 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: he's lacking in confidence. I think it's back and like 450 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: you know, he's incredibly important. Kate Horton's obviously a big 451 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: deal for this team, and I know Council we talked 452 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: about this. Council doesn't want to, you know, put too 453 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: much pressure on him and don't expect him to be 454 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: better than last year. I kind of agree results wise, 455 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: he said he wasn't sure. He didn't he wasn't sure 456 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: if to expect more strikeouts. I think I disagree there 457 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: on the over all number. Maybe Council is remembering the 458 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: end of the season when the strikeouts did jump, But 459 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: that's what I'm looking at. I think he can get 460 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 1: be closer to like twenty three, twenty four, maybe twenty 461 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: five percent strikeout rate instead of like the twenty that 462 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: he was at overall, if he does that continues to 463 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: keep the walks down. I mean you're talking about like 464 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: between him and Shoda that's really important, like two great guys, 465 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: and then Cabrera, Like I just I'm very curious to 466 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: see how the rest of this rotation does. Like this 467 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: rotation has the potential to be so much better than 468 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: what we've seen in recent years, which has been like 469 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 1: they've been really good numbers wise, But then like it 470 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: just felt like, is this a dominant rotation? Is this 471 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: a great rotation? It never felt that way. I have 472 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: a couple guys in Cabrera and Horton, and then with 473 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: Shoda kind of looking like he's bouncing back, you have 474 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: some guys that you can say, huh, Okay, this is 475 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 1: a really impressive front of the rotation. And we haven't 476 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: even talked about Boyd but uh yeah, it results aren't 477 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: even we haven't even talked about Justin Steele either. 478 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 479 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, And and I like we can get into this 480 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: maybe in another episode. But I think Ben Brown pished 481 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: just one inning his last time out there, which I 482 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: could have been wrong. 483 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 2: I thought it was more than that. 484 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: Was it? Okay? Then I looked at a but I 485 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: looked at the box score and the game wasn't over then, 486 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: so that ignore would I just say, I. 487 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 2: Don't think that's right. 488 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, okay, I think the big yeah. 489 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 2: I mean that's another question too that I'll probably get 490 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 2: into more of this this weekend, of like, at what point, 491 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 2: if at all, do you shorten up Ben Brown or yeah, 492 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 2: still that bullpen spot open. I think that that's track. 493 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 2: There still kind of torn on that one, and it 494 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 2: seems like they've really been trying to force the whole 495 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 2: starting thing with Ben Brown, which understandably he wants to 496 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 2: do and it makes sense to have depth. But all along, 497 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 2: you know, he's had this stuff that looked like it 498 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 2: would kind of fit a high leverage roll, and we 499 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 2: you know, there are ways for him or Asad to 500 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 2: be on the opening day roster, pitch out of the 501 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 2: bullpen and multiple innings and keep him sort of stressed out. 502 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 2: You can do that for April. You can't do it 503 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 2: for obviously an entire season. But there are there are 504 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 2: those decisions that are going to start coming down here 505 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 2: in the next couple of days, and we'll get you know, 506 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 2: a degree of clarity. I think the other main takeaway too, 507 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 2: is that they haven't had a Braves type of situation 508 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 2: where like I don't know how many stritapers they've lost, 509 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 2: like three, two to three guys just out going out 510 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 2: for surgeries that has not happened. Knock on wood. They've 511 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 2: been remarkable healthy and we'll see how long that lasts. 512 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 2: But if something does happen, at the moment, they're pretty 513 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 2: well positioned to cover for some of those absences. 514 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: So looking at the game log, he yester, that would 515 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 1: be I don't know what date it is, Wednesday. He 516 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 1: pitched one inning, twenty four pitches Ben Brown, So I 517 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: don't know that's a that's that's it, like something that 518 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: just caught my eye. Who knows if that means anything? 519 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 2: Obviously missed that I missed that one. Then I stand corrected. 520 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 2: That was no. 521 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: No, I mean I think that that was that. That 522 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: was you. You may have been like out interviewing Edward 523 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,479 Speaker 1: Cabrera at that way that I was. 524 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 2: Actually I probably was underneath the center field concourse there 525 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 2: talking to Cabrera and I got Miguel Amaya. Yeah, well 526 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 2: so that would explain why I I the athletic or 527 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 2: that's the error. 528 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 1: I mean, just something that caught my eye and was like, huh, 529 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: what are they doing here? And you know, maybe maybe 530 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: he's we'll see. I don't want to speculate too much 531 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 1: on what that means. I'm sure you can do some 532 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 1: digging and figure out at least get a sense of 533 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,239 Speaker 1: what's happening there, and we'll see what his role is. 534 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: I think the development of his sinker is interesting and 535 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: could mean something for the rotation someday. But I you know, well, 536 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 1: what's his best role right now? I think is all 537 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: that matters. You have to kind of look at it 538 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 1: through that lens like. Development isn't always a number one 539 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: when you're trying to win. So we'll see what his 540 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 1: role is. All right, that's it for right now. We'll 541 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 1: be back with one more episode this week. Thanks so 542 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: much for listening to everyone. This is Northside Territory. Make 543 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 1: sure to rate, review, subscribe, subscribe to the YouTube channel, 544 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: and subscribe to The Athletic where Patrick and I a 545 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: on top of all things cups. Thanks everyone, Take care 546 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 1: red agree Anady