1 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 1: I do that all the time. It's like, man, this 2 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 1: song is a bear, dude, I know this is awesome. 3 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: And then I get in the truck with Reading, I'm like, 4 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: check this tune out. Halfway through the first verse, I'm like, 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: he probably doesn't like that part. 6 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:21,479 Speaker 2: Episode four eighty five. I do think this is my 7 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 2: favorite just general podcast that I do with the guys 8 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 2: from God's Country. It's the brother's Hunt, Dan and Read Isabel. 9 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 2: They're very successful songwriters. They have a podcast called God's 10 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 2: Country that I want you to check out. They also 11 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 2: I just like talking with them because they have a 12 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 2: great perspective on songwriting, on what this industry is, on 13 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 2: the anxiety of just general life and family, and you know, 14 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 2: I think you're gonna like it because I love doing it. 15 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 2: I could have done another hour easily. Yeah, for some 16 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 2: reason we had to stop. Something was happening right after. 17 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 3: Oh he was late, Oh yeah, that's what it was. 18 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:56,279 Speaker 3: You'll hear. 19 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 2: He was like, that's why, yeah, yeah, yah, yeah, Okay, 20 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 2: here we go and we talked about it so you'll 21 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:04,119 Speaker 2: know what I'm talking about. But God's Country Podcast Riley Green, Castie, Ashton, 22 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 2: Chris Jansen, kept more. They have big guests and people 23 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 2: show up with their guitars and play and it's cool. 24 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 2: It's a great podcast. I love these guys here. Oh yeah, 25 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 2: I forgot to tell them to when they canceled on 26 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 2: me all this. Oh it's all coming out now here. 27 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 2: They are God's Country, the Brothers, hunt Enjoy the Bobby Cast. Okay, 28 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 2: so reads. 29 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,279 Speaker 3: Here, but are we going? Yeah? Now let's go. Dan's 30 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 3: not here? Big shocker? Was that? What? 31 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 2: What what happened? Versus what really happened? 32 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 3: Uh? 33 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 4: I mean I think I think an eighteen wheeler flipped 34 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 4: over on sixty five is what really happened Dan? 35 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 3: What really happened? 36 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 4: Probably Dan left a little bit too late. 37 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 2: They would have probably got him here in time. 38 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, everything he was gonna he left in time to 39 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 4: with nothing to go on to get her on time. 40 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 2: They're an app that we can like check and see 41 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 2: where one is read. I'd love to you all they 42 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 2: have two reads here. 43 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 3: That's right. 44 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 4: Do you spell it the same way? I think we've 45 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 4: had this, Yeah, the only way. 46 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 47 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 2: I was walking in and you were referencing do I 48 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 2: ever get burnt out? And I was like, hey, save, 49 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 2: I think that's a really interesting thing to talk about 50 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 2: because I think everybody has their version of burnt out. 51 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 2: Do you ever get burnt out? 52 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 4: I'm a I'm crisp right now, dude, I've been burnt 53 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 4: out for a month, and especially because like so it's 54 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 4: different for like I feel like deer hunters as well, 55 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 4: like and I know that's kind of that's going to 56 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 4: sound crazy, but like right now is prime deer season. 57 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 4: It's like November is is when it's the peak of 58 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 4: when deer and big deer bucks are moving and running around. 59 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 4: So like, already we work hard and I try to 60 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,519 Speaker 4: write really hard all year to get to this point 61 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 4: to where I don't have to write as much and 62 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 4: I can be in the woods and take a long time. 63 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 3: But so yeah, so like. 64 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, if I get in a room where 65 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 4: I feel like it's like a waste of my time 66 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 4: and it's November, then I'm like double banging my head 67 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 4: against the wall that. 68 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 2: Day because you're tired from the year. 69 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 3: Because I'm tired. 70 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 4: Yes, I have zero ideas I would rather be in 71 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 4: a deer stand and yeah, I'm just like the mental 72 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 4: thing is not there. I'm not sharp. The desire, the 73 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 4: drive to write a song is not there. 74 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like it's a combination of One, it's 75 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 2: a long time without a break because from summer to 76 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 2: now it's like the longest period. And then two, you 77 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 2: know what either you could be doing or what's about 78 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 2: to happen, meaning you could be in the woods. Yeah, 79 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 2: and Holliday's about to come up. When you don't, it's 80 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 2: like it's almost break time. 81 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 4: Well I feel like That's what I was telling Mike 82 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 4: walking in is like I wish the industry because it 83 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 4: can it pretty much does this anyway. Like November, December 84 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 4: and half of January it shuts down, but everybody still 85 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 4: like the rights are on the books and everything, so 86 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 4: like we're showing up. But a lot of the times 87 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 4: and a lot of times they cancel. But like a 88 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 4: lot of times you just sit there and you write 89 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 4: half a song and it's like a dang, you know, 90 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 4: fifteen round boxing match to get through half a song, 91 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 4: and then you leave at the end of the day 92 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 4: you're exhausted, And yeah, that's pretty much how November and 93 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 4: December goes. 94 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 2: Mine is usually from waking up early in the morning 95 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 2: every day. I hate it, Like I'll put the little 96 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 2: asterisk beside saying my that's great. 97 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 3: That's my asterisk bro. 98 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 4: Absolutely blessed beyond measure, no doubt. 99 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 3: Thank you for the double Asterix double. 100 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 2: I am always so tired, so sleepy, and a major 101 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 2: part of that is that I wake up at three 102 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 2: forty five, four four fifteen, four thirty every single day. 103 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 2: And I'm not a morning person. I've never been a 104 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 2: morning person. There's never a morning and thank you for 105 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 2: allowing me the safe space. There's never a morning where 106 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 2: I wake up and go, you know this scene from Oklahoma, 107 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 2: Oh what a beautiful morning. 108 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 3: Get it good. 109 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 2: Never do I feel good when I wake up ever 110 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 2: at and have crazy sleep issues. And if I were 111 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 2: just to go to my own and all my own 112 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 2: device is I would go to sleep at two am 113 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 2: and wake up at noon. That's my natural body cycle. 114 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 3: Clock. You are on the wrong You're the wrong game. 115 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 2: Absolutely the wrong, wrong thing. And so after a couple 116 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 2: of months, especially if I'm like touring doing stand up, 117 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 2: or if we're doing Raging Idiots, or we were traveling 118 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 2: a lot doing a sports show, going to all these 119 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 2: teaming that with the radio show the morning, it's just 120 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 2: I start to feel almost numb physically, yes, and then 121 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 2: it ends up being such heavy brain fog, right, my 122 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 2: brain starts to feel numb. Yeah, but I've gotten really 123 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 2: good at doing it tired. I think that's my greatest skill. 124 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 4: Well, that's what a professional does, right is I can 125 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,119 Speaker 4: do it absolutely, I mean, and that's I mean, dude, 126 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 4: baseball players play one hundred and eighty games a year 127 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 4: and you can't tell me that at when they're at 128 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 4: one point fifty that their body's not yelling at them 129 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 4: every day to be like what are we doing? But yeah, 130 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 4: they're they're still performing the highest level they possibly can. 131 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 4: And then that's the same it's the same thing. But 132 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 4: but you're right, like I think when people as a songwriter, 133 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 4: it's all up here, right, Like it's like, my my 134 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:12,919 Speaker 4: greatest skill is what I come up with in my 135 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,799 Speaker 4: brain and that's the way I provide for my family 136 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 4: and retires as. 137 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 3: Thinking of things. 138 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 4: And man, when it gets to when it gets to 139 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 4: the point where it is it's you're right, brain fog 140 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 4: is the right word. Where it's just like it's like 141 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 4: driving down a dirt road in the middle of the 142 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 4: night and you can't see anything in front of you. 143 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 4: And when when you start doing that day in and 144 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 4: day out. It becomes kind of warfare up there a 145 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 4: little bit. 146 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, to me, it's word searching. And when I start 147 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 2: to have that significantly, I know I'm really tired. Meaning 148 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 2: I say sentences for a living, but the the times I 149 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 2: just can't find words. Sure, but I've gotten really good 150 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 2: at pivoting. Yeah, and if I'm forgetting what I'm saying, 151 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,119 Speaker 2: I can at least remember the last three words I said. 152 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 2: I go somewhere else, like it's it's all a question 153 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 2: because I'm a professional, not really good at it, and no. 154 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 3: Doubt you are. You're the best, some would say the 155 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 3: best at it. 156 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would hope everyone will. That's my hope, that's 157 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 2: my dream, you know. But yeah, I get burnt out mine, 158 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 2: you know. But then I look at my like my 159 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 2: stepdad he worked at the mill his whole life, right, 160 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 2: and like you know, we come from like working class places. 161 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 2: And if I went and said, yeah, I'm burnt out 162 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 2: from thinking, right, don't get it, Like what are you talking? 163 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 3: No doubt, no doubt. 164 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 2: So I'm pretty precious about where I say that because 165 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 2: I understand and listen, I'm here because of a lot 166 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 2: of choices and strategy that I made and I'm very 167 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 2: proud of it. And I work very hard. I think 168 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 2: I work harder than anybody else in the entire industry 169 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 2: at what I do. Like, I've never met anyone that 170 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 2: outworks me. However, it beats going to the mill every day. 171 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 2: And I watched him hate his job every day. But 172 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 2: it was a big part of why I chose something 173 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 2: that I love to do, was watching somebody who hated 174 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 2: doing what he did. He there was never a date 175 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 2: that he had to go into the mill and get 176 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 2: on that freaking fork left that he was like ready 177 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 2: to go have a good day at work. Yeah, it 178 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 2: was just where and how we grew up. You went 179 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 2: to work, you paid the. 180 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 4: Bills, he came home, ate dinner, went to sleep, didn't 181 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 4: watch a little TV and do it all again. 182 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 3: I just saw your brother walk by. 183 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 2: Did you tell you knew how to get back here already? Yeah, 184 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 2: So we won't clap or anything, you know, I want 185 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 2: to basicbal player at home run, they're just real quiet when. 186 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 4: They come back to the dugout, especially if like you 187 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 4: don't like the guy and you don't want him to 188 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 4: home run. 189 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 2: I know, let's let him walk in quietly. Yeah, now 190 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 2: we're already going awry about us. We had a whole 191 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 2: theory too. No, yeah, come on in, we're just hanging chatting. 192 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 3: Thanks for showing up, dude. 193 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, hey, hey, taking time to get your jacket off, 194 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 2: worry about it. 195 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, man, it's not like we have a time limit 196 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 3: on this thing. 197 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 2: We're all good. Not even a thing. 198 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 4: The podcast is about to get worse than it was, Bobby, 199 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 4: Just so you know. 200 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 2: We're just actually gonna stop recording now. So now you're lost. 201 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 3: Walk around that guy. 202 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 2: It's one room, it's won it. Maybe this is how 203 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 2: he could why I couldn't get here? 204 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, come on, come on, I'd like to Oh you 205 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 3: an artist mode? 206 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:15,559 Speaker 2: Man, you look by them all to buy those by 207 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 2: the clothes or too. 208 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 3: Looks like it. Huh, seems like you're ready for a show. 209 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 2: Me. 210 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 3: What is that? That's a good looking sweater. 211 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 2: Now we're good again. That's all it took. That's literally 212 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 2: all it took is one copy in my sweater. 213 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 3: You like the guy? I could never wear that swe 214 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,839 Speaker 3: what why not? I just would look I just I just. 215 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: Think I would look like remember those scrub pads that 216 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: your mom had, Cambrello type. 217 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm too big. I'm too big to wear that. 218 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 3: I would disagree. I am a were going going. 219 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 2: We've been, we've been already talked about uh being to 220 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 2: burn out. We talked about what happened to you versus 221 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 2: what really happened to you, and we predicted what you're 222 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 2: going to say versus the truth. So go ahead and 223 00:09:59,280 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 2: say what happened? 224 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 3: Wait, say the truth or what? 225 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 2: No, we just predicted what you were going to say. 226 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 2: We have a version of what we think you're about 227 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 2: to say. 228 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 3: Okay, go ahead, jump sent to be here at two 229 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 3: forty two fifty. 230 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 2: What did you say, jump set? 231 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 3: Sorry, Jordan georganay our manager. 232 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 2: No, I know Jordan's so, I didn't know who jumps. 233 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 3: She's very jumping, got it, She's very like you went to. 234 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 2: A nickname too quick. Sorry, he said, Jordan, I've been like, 235 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 2: oh easy, that's what like. 236 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 4: Our nieces and nephews don't call her aunt Jordan. They 237 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 4: call her Jumps. 238 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: Because when I give a nickname, I put a lot 239 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: of effort into it. 240 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 3: And I would say my. 241 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: My percentage of sticking nicknames eighty five percent. 242 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 2: Would you say that your percentage most of the time 243 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 2: before referring to someone with their nickname is letting other 244 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 2: people know that that's their nickname so they're not confused. 245 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:52,719 Speaker 1: No, I think maybe it's just it catches because now 246 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: you're man, I got it. 247 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 2: I'll never forget you, right, I thought stupid for a second. Yeah, 248 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 2: now I'm good. But now you know I'm good, So 249 00:10:58,040 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 2: you're She tells us to be here at one fifty. 250 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 2: So I know for a fact that from my house 251 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 2: to Sony a TV, exactly what he said, keep going. 252 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 2: I'm talking about It's like he wrote you a script. 253 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 3: It's like we've been brothers for some years. 254 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: So I knew I could leave at like one clock 255 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: and have ample time. So I left at twelve fifty 256 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm giving an extra. 257 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 2: The math doesn't make sense, but it's it's even okay. 258 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 3: I'm real bad at math. I didn't say that, right, 259 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 3: That doesn't matter. 260 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 4: Bro, you left in in just enough time to if 261 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 4: nothing goes wrong, you would be here on the time 262 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 4: you're supposed to be here. 263 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 3: Ten minutes extra. I left with ten minutes extra. It 264 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 3: was a bad it was a crazy wreck. 265 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 2: We looked on line. 266 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 3: There was no wreck. 267 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: Yes, no, if you had looked online it would have 268 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 1: almost screenshot. 269 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 2: Dark Webb when dark webs yead No, No. 270 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 3: I'm scared of Dark's web. It's good to see you, 271 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 3: see you man. 272 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 2: Hopefully you're because you know how you're late if you're 273 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 2: latest me, if I'm latest anything, it is rare because 274 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 2: mostly all an ample plus ample, because I'm really like, 275 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 2: I care about the people, I'm gonna go be a 276 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 2: guest on the show and stuff and so uh too. Yeah, 277 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 2: I appreciate it and so rarely late. But if I am, 278 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 2: I'm like, I never catch up, Like I get there 279 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 2: and I'm so flustered and I never really catch up. 280 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:16,599 Speaker 2: I won't you take a second, just catch up, and 281 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 2: if you're worried. 282 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 3: Don't let it go. Okay, just take a second. 283 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 2: Catch up, because yeah, just get to the place so 284 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 2: you're most comfortable. Just sit in it. 285 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 3: I'm back, I'm ready. Good good, uh good? 286 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 2: Why did you guys cancel on me coming to your podcast? 287 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 3: Why did we jumps? 288 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 2: I want to know the answer. Hey Jumps, Hey, I 289 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 2: got it. 290 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 3: I'm gonna be honest with you. I didn't even know 291 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 3: we did. Yeah I didn't either. What were we doing? 292 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 3: We got a lot of stuff going on? Bone. Oh 293 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 3: we were we were in Kansas? Is that right? 294 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:52,599 Speaker 2: Do you want to know what I was told? 295 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, yeah, please because. 296 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 2: Oh now she remembers the line. Now, no, no, no, 297 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 2: you remember the lie? 298 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 3: This is real? 299 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, so you're embarrassed to have him in our 300 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 2: old studio, that's no, there'll be no reason for that 301 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,959 Speaker 2: to be a real story. Do you know the dumps 302 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 2: that I have worked in? So what I heard are 303 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 2: two stories? 304 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 3: Okay, man, I love this. 305 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 4: I think it was I know now that you're saying that, 306 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 4: I think it was right in the transition to it. 307 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 2: I want to pick one way to be offended, so 308 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 2: we can let the story get be told, and I 309 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 2: can pick my way to be offended because there was 310 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 2: going to be away can't. So I was looking forward 311 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 2: to it. I cleared out a couple of hours of 312 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 2: my afternoon because I'm like, I like talking with those guys. 313 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 2: I think you guys are really good at what you do. 314 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 2: And also I don't have to like work so hard sometimes, 315 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 2: you know, totally, you got to carry the whole freaking thing, 316 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 2: and if you're already tired, it sucks. 317 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 3: What we were talking about earlier, Yeah, one of the. 318 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 2: Things I like about you guys, I don't have to 319 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 2: worry about that. 320 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 3: No, you don't. 321 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 2: And so I was like, I'm looking forward to this. 322 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 2: I'm gonna go because I watch you guys clips see 323 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 2: grab a little biting, and I'm like, well, that'd be funny. 324 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 5: Go. 325 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 2: Maybe I'll take my guitar, you know, And so I 326 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 2: had it. I took my guitar to work in the 327 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 2: backseat of my car, and I get a call morning 328 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 2: of hey, it was morning. They said they're moving studios 329 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 2: and then I want you to be in their old studio. 330 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 2: And I'm like, do they not know like every part 331 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 2: of my career, like I've it's only been working out 332 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 2: of like basically old camper shells. 333 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: I think you think we're in a little more control 334 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: of this thing than we actually. 335 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 2: Oh that's fine. 336 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 3: I'm still say. 337 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 2: Look, we got like parts of the ceiling fall and 338 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 2: hears we talk. 339 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 3: This feels like our podcast. Yeah, that's the reason we 340 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 3: didn't bring it to ours. 341 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 2: And so I was like, oh, man, So I just 342 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 2: came home and a couple hours that I don't normally 343 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 2: you know, I started trying to stay efficient. Wasn't very 344 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 2: efficient that day, and I got canceled, heart broke. I 345 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 2: got canceled on really close to my time. 346 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 3: How much is that as true? 347 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 2: All I took my guitar and everything. 348 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 3: I don't think that I believe you. 349 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was told that you guys, what did 350 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 2: you were moving studios or something. I was like, that 351 00:14:57,680 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 2: doesn't matter, if it works. 352 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: I think I had a baby too, right now, a baby. 353 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, So even if we hadn't canceled, we would have. 354 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 2: We've just been reading it again. 355 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 3: It's been like double cancel. 356 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 2: What you're telling me. 357 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 3: It had been better than what. 358 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 2: Look you're telling I can look at my calendar and 359 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 2: if that date matches. You do know your baby's birthday? 360 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 3: She probably does. 361 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 2: You can't tell them everything. 362 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: I have so many babies, bob, oh, Welcome to our 363 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to our life. I know I know my daughter's 364 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: birthday is nine one nine one nine, so I can 365 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: remember that when we're our other ones born. 366 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 2: Well, this is not the game I was looking to play. 367 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 3: Okay, play your this is your thing. 368 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 2: No, not even the game. I was just like I was, 369 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 2: there was no baby thing. If I had been told that, 370 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 2: i'd been like, oh cool, But instead it was uh, 371 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 2: they're embarrassed their studios, and I'm like, day. 372 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 4: Of if they if you got canceled on a day of, 373 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 4: I don't even know your team, but that's I think 374 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 4: that's on your team because we don't cancel day off. 375 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 4: We kind of know that as songwriters, you don't cancel 376 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 4: day of unless it's like unless you're having a baby. 377 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 4: Unless you're having a baby. 378 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 2: But then then you say we're having a baby. 379 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 3: Are we in a fight? No? 380 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 2: No, no, because I wouldn't had your hear Oh, I love 381 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 2: that Hollywood black balled you guys immediately you had never 382 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 2: written oother song in this town again. 383 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 4: Good Yeah, I'm ready for that, Bobby, we're going back. 384 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 3: We're talking about earlier. I just don't do that. 385 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 2: How much are you guys doing this now. 386 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 3: Our thing or just external podcasts? Yeah? 387 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 2: Great question, because I should ask the better seriously your 388 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 2: thing once? 389 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: I would say average once a week on average. Yeah, 390 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: sometimes we might do two or three a week and 391 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: then just not do one for a week or two 392 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: or so something. 393 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 4: But basically it feels like we're going on like it 394 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 4: feels like we're either in it hardcore and doing two 395 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 4: a week for two months or we're taking a break 396 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 4: and not doing it for a month. 397 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 2: Have you identified the look in people's eyes when you 398 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 2: know they're exhausted. 399 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 3: Oh, they're pretty much just always doing. 400 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 2: This more so than writing, because I know you can 401 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 2: tell it when when they're right, you just. 402 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 4: Tell by yeah, I'll say this, I'll say this. It 403 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 4: makes I can tell it when they walk in that 404 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 4: a lot of them are not wanting to be there. 405 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 2: But by the time, I think that's unfair. I don't 406 00:16:58,920 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 2: think they don't want to be there. 407 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 3: I'm just saying, like it's like media day. 408 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 4: It's like the starter because we do we record at 409 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 4: nine o'clock in the morning, so like when we catch 410 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 4: artists they have other things happen, it's usually like a 411 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 4: media day. 412 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 3: Or had just had something happened last night. Y you 413 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. 414 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 4: So I will say it makes me feel good to 415 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 4: see their excitement level and their involvement in our show 416 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 4: and in the podcast, like do this trajectory as the 417 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 4: podcast goes. 418 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 3: That has seemed to happen every time. 419 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: If I'm being honest, I don't think we've had anybody 420 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: that's really just like been like this the entire time usually, 421 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: and I think that's an important part of connecting with 422 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: people outside of just like podcasting, Like part of it 423 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: is just like finding something that the other party is 424 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: excited about. 425 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 2: That is absolutely the whole key to all of this, 426 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 2: I agree, is that myself get them excited and talk 427 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 2: about something they want to talk about. Yeah, they'll give you, Yeah, 428 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:55,360 Speaker 2: they'll give you great talk about what you want talking 429 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 2: about too, sure, but you just got to get them something. 430 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 2: There will be times where if I'm like, Okay, listen, 431 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 2: I know they're freaking huge Packers fan, but it's we'll 432 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 2: leave with the Packers, or I mean, we'll do fifteen 433 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 2: minutes on the War of eighteen twelve of like they're and. 434 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 3: They're in it. That's like a red bull, ain't no doubt. 435 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 3: And it opens up a lot of other conversations. 436 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 1: Well, Like I the one that keeps coming to my 437 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: mind is Terry Clark. 438 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 3: We had her own. She's awesome. She's awesome. 439 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 2: I had no idea awesome she was because I never 440 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 2: spent any time with her until she came back back around. Yeah, 441 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 2: and she did a radio show on like another station 442 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 2: here for a while, I didn't know her. 443 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 3: Then she hosted it. 444 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 2: She was a part of the team, right, So I 445 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 2: didn't know her, but once she started like she's awesome. 446 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 3: Awesome, she's great, and she's. 447 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, we just said the exact same thing twice she 448 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: but she, I think was what came in and was 449 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: like kind of didn't know, you know what I mean, 450 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 1: because a lot of this, it's not like they get 451 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: prepped that they're coming into this thing. They kind of just, 452 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 1: like Read was saying, it's like they got three remedia 453 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: days in the row. 454 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 3: They're jam packed. 455 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: They're popping from one studio the next kind of deal, 456 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,159 Speaker 1: and so when they walk in with us, they're like hey, 457 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: and they're in, they're full. 458 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 3: Like she had a cowboy hat on and the whole thing. 459 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: And then I think we started talking about fishing and 460 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: she just like completely opened up and she was very professional. 461 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: And that's that's really I think what you're kind of 462 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,199 Speaker 1: trying to break through, right, Not that they're not polite. 463 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: They're always polite and happy to be there and whatever. 464 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: The thing is, the switch is on, right, and so 465 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: if you can kind of find a way to cut 466 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: through that, I'm talking to you, like you don't know this, 467 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 1: but if you you know, for us, it's it's as 468 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 1: far as what we've learned. If you can find a 469 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: way to cut through that media training and get to 470 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: something where they just like can't stop talking about it, 471 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: and then that turns into Wow, I trust these guys 472 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: and and appreciate their ability to listen and not just 473 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:54,640 Speaker 1: completely dominate this thing. 474 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 4: That's the last thing we wanted to be too. Is 475 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 4: any type of like media thing that they've got. 476 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 3: Gross, Like you didn't have that? How long do you? 477 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 2: Sort of Yeah, even we've become so particular to the 478 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 2: point where I know, I mean to interrupt your point 479 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 2: read Oh no, no, you're good. I was just gonna say, 480 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 2: there's a start of every interview, then there's the real 481 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 2: start of every interview. 482 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 3: I agree with that. 483 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 2: And there are times, especially when we don't We don't 484 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 2: edit hardly at all, but we're not too good to edit, 485 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 2: especially if if somebody says something that they're not proud of. 486 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 2: I have no problem taking the doubt like we're not 487 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 2: trying to got you know. 488 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:30,959 Speaker 3: We're the same way. 489 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, something doesn't feel good, we'll pull it. But also 490 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 2: if there's something that really starts the interview strong, we 491 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 2: may take that and just take that and put that 492 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 2: near the beginning and leave everything else the same, and 493 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 2: just take some of that but it small, put it 494 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 2: at the end and not only take anything out. 495 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 1: Do you get tired of like the opportunities that come 496 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: from this thing, like come host this, come do this? 497 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: Like that's the thing that I that's terrifying to me 498 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 1: is because we even got asked. 499 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 3: I'll just I don't know if I can say this. 500 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 3: I say this, Okay, well I won't say who that was. 501 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 2: No, we'll cut it out if you can. 502 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: We got asked to do a thing that would be 503 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 1: like admirable to do, but because it was going to 504 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: be like super red carpet, Hey tell. 505 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 3: Us about your new single, Hey tell us. 506 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 2: Like work the red carpet for Cmas is what I 507 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 2: would guess is something like that, if. 508 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,199 Speaker 1: Something like that, that something like that, And I was 509 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,439 Speaker 1: just me and we were just like hey jumps, like 510 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: that's not our gig, dude, like we I know we 511 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,959 Speaker 1: should probably go do this, but like it's not our 512 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: you know, I just feel like in here there's so 513 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: much of a genuine connection that when you try to go, 514 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 1: do you feel that like once you've connected with somebody 515 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: in here, and then you've got to do like a 516 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: red carpet thing is it? 517 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 3: Is it feel funky? 518 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:53,199 Speaker 2: I hate red carpets so knowing that I don't like 519 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 2: to do them because at first I did a lot 520 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 2: of hosting them. Then then there was a threshold where 521 00:21:58,040 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 2: they thought I was more famous, that I should just 522 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 2: walk instead of talking to them. Right, So there was 523 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 2: a certain point in my career when that happened, when 524 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 2: they stopped that unless it was on like I hosted 525 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 2: it for E, right, like hosted the Grammys for E. 526 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 2: They asked me to do that because I think that 527 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 2: was a pretty cool job. 528 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:12,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. 529 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 2: Sure, But mostly they'll say, well, you walk the carpet, 530 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 2: and so I'll go walk. And the thing that I 531 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 2: hate generally about red carpets is I know where I 532 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,919 Speaker 2: am in the ladder of whatever fame is, and I 533 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 2: know that I'm at the low end of everybody that's 534 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 2: at that carpet at that time, and it's like you're 535 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 2: at a party with people who are looking for the 536 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,360 Speaker 2: next coolest person, because it's not they're not your friends 537 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,239 Speaker 2: that are interviewed it. You only know a third of them, sure, right, 538 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 2: And their job is to get the biggest and best people, 539 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 2: and if they're talking to me, I'm going to be 540 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 2: giving them the best bites. But who cares if they 541 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 2: can get al Dean or they get that's what they want. 542 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 2: So the whole time my shoulders being looked over by 543 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,919 Speaker 2: them or their producers, see who else is coming? So 544 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 2: I don't like that vibe anyway. However, I did like 545 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 2: hosting it better because I was so different than every 546 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 2: buddy else for sure, and that was and that would 547 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 2: be the only reason I would challenge you to at 548 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 2: least do it twice. Don't just do it once, because 549 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 2: you'll do it once and be like that was totally weird. 550 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 2: If you do it twice and you hate it, never 551 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 2: do it again. But what's great and what will be 552 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 2: a strength for you, guys, is what makes that easier 553 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 2: is the relationships you already have with the people and 554 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 2: all that surface bull crap has gone immediately. If you 555 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 2: have three minutes, you have three minutes, and you're already 556 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 2: at the start, not the start, and I would I 557 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 2: would challenge you to do it because it'll be uncomfortable 558 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 2: for you and you'll grow at just this world and 559 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 2: then the next thing you do. You're presenting a freaking award, 560 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 2: you know on the award show. 561 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, matter of fact, we did that and you told 562 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: us to be very nervous about. 563 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 3: It before we walked out. What was it? Oh that? Yeah, 564 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 3: remember we were walking I was like. 565 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 4: Is your heart? 566 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,479 Speaker 1: Was that an award or festival? Millions of people are 567 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 1: watching this whatever it was. Hu was a festival, but 568 00:23:58,760 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: a festival. 569 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's still thing like congratulates you did a thing, 570 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 2: but that was a great See. That's what I'm saying. 571 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 2: It's slowly going to be a bill of that. So 572 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 2: if you're turning it away just because it doesn't feel right, 573 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 2: nothing's gonna feel right other than what you're already doing, 574 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 2: because that's what that's comfort. 575 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: I think that goes into life application there probably probably yeah. 576 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 2: And I should be better at it in life. So 577 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 2: I'm sure good at it and work like I'll try 578 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 2: anything in bomb because I know if I do it 579 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 2: a second third time, I won't bomb anymore. But I 580 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 2: think you would like doing the red carpet because it'll 581 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 2: feel so weird, but you'll you'll be better than ninety 582 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 2: five percent of the people one because you'll know who 583 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 2: the people are. The other bad thing is if if 584 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 2: I'm walking it, they have to like look at the 585 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 2: little picture grid to figure out who I am. I 586 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 2: don't even want to see them do that. We got 587 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 2: so I'll look or if they cannot figure it out, 588 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 2: like if I'm doing an LA one, they have no 589 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 2: idea who I am. They're like, well, so here you are, 590 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 2: so how's this all going? 591 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 3: How you doing in your thing? You do tell us 592 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 3: about your favorite part of the thing, and you. 593 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 2: Know, they have no idea. And if I see them 594 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:56,400 Speaker 2: trying to look to see who it is, I will 595 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 2: try to make sure they don't see me trying to 596 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 2: see them as just like a her to see if listen, 597 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 2: I know I'm not famous, I shouldn't be here. And 598 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 2: it's like, I know that you have a little bit 599 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 2: of time with a lot of these people, and I 600 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 2: just happened to come at a time where you had 601 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 2: no person like. I get that, but I'd like to 602 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 2: see you guys do that, because I think you'd be 603 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 2: really good at it and people would, people would come 604 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,679 Speaker 2: to you. That's a great thing about when I do 605 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 2: them too, Like all my friends, they want to if 606 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 2: they're down and they're like there's five hundred people on 607 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 2: a road today. They will be like, dude, let. 608 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 3: Me come down because it's a comfortable thing and they 609 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 3: know they can trust you. 610 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 6: And you're not gonna you want to be comfortable, but 611 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 6: they will be Yeah, let's take a quick pause for 612 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 6: a message from our sponsor, and we're back on the 613 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 6: Bobby Cast. 614 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 3: Uh. 615 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 2: Are you just making any money doing this yet? Some 616 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 2: well are you? I was talking to somebody I went 617 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 2: and I won't say what show was. I rarely go 618 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 2: on podcasts because I feel like I got a lot 619 00:25:58,359 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 2: to say, but I'm gonna say on my stuff that 620 00:25:59,600 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 2: I own. 621 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 3: Right. 622 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 2: Sure, I was gonna do one. 623 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 3: They canceled. 624 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 2: All my day of studio was like getting rebuilding those 625 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 2: crazy day. I did another show recently. First of all, 626 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 2: I've done a long time, and I really like what 627 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 2: this person is doing. And I was talking after because 628 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 2: I know it's impossible to make money doing this. Yeah, 629 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,120 Speaker 2: it's like writing songs, like being an artist. It's impossible 630 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 2: to make money doing this until you get lucky and 631 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 2: somebody figures out that you're good. 632 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 3: Ah, you know, because you got to be good absolutely. 633 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 2: And the time it's timing and you know, all the 634 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 2: variables come together. But I was like, making any money yet? 635 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 2: I knew the answer was no, but I want to 636 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 2: let him say it. And he was like, no, not yet. 637 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 2: He was like, what's the key? And I was like, 638 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 2: the key is just showing up and being consistent and 639 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 2: not really and and saying it ten thousand times is 640 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 2: barely saying it once because nobody hears anything. 641 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 3: Ever. 642 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 1: Wow, Ever, you know that's exactly to me how songwriting works. 643 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: And I always say this, it's like, once you do 644 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: get to a place where something that you've created or 645 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: something that you believed in for a long time makes 646 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: you a little bit. 647 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 3: Of scratch, can't a bit tell you nothing? Dude? 648 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,120 Speaker 1: Can't I tell you nothing? Because what you believed in 649 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 1: opened the door to that. And so once you do that, 650 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, I created this thing that nobody believed in, 651 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 1: and now it's like putting socks on my kids. 652 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 3: Can't buy I tell you nothing. 653 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 2: So are you making any money yet? 654 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 3: Not? On this? What? 655 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 2: What's the what are you waiting for? A threshold of streams? 656 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 3: Pretty much? Right? That's a that's a yeah, I mean, 657 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 3: you know large threshold. 658 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 2: It's the hard are you making any Are you getting 659 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 2: any money at all? In my question, not real money 660 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 2: because that's defined differently. 661 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're making we're making something. 662 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 2: That's not my only question. Are you literally getting a 663 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 2: da Yeah, yes that is and you would say this 664 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 2: to new songwriters. That's a massive success here, sure, because 665 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 2: that's the hardest thing to do, is to make any 666 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 2: money at all, because that means you have to shoot. 667 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 2: You've had to show up over and over and over 668 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 2: again making no money, like unless you're already famous and 669 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 2: they're signing you because of your name. Like Jake Gillenhall 670 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,959 Speaker 2: starts the podcast he't gonna do and do it, started 671 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 2: a feed with no subscribers and make no money, right, 672 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 2: he's so some old price signed and break or it's 673 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,959 Speaker 2: like a path like you guys had to do it. 674 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 2: It's not like you guys are massive artists. Had to 675 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 2: do it over and over again, right at a high level. 676 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 2: And so that is like, let me compliment you, that 677 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:19,439 Speaker 2: is the hardest thing to do, not make a lot 678 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 2: of money, make any money. 679 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 3: I mean, we don't have a person and sponsor. 680 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,360 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter that rocking. As soon as you get 681 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 2: that that first trickle turns into a stream turns into 682 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 2: but that trickle is the freaking hardest thing to get 683 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 2: because people don't work hard enough to get the trickle. 684 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 4: I do believe that I believe in it enough that 685 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 4: we could make real money at it, Yeah somehow, Yeah, 686 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 4: like like I mean, like you see all these these 687 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 4: podcast deals going on with Call Our Daddy and and 688 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 4: all these Travis Kelsey things like jillions of dollar. 689 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 3: That's how much I. 690 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 4: Believe in in what we do together and hosting our podcast. Like, 691 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 4: I believe in it that much. I don't know if 692 00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 4: that'll ever happen, but I think and believe that if 693 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 4: we continue to do it the way we're doing it, 694 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 4: that it could potentially get to a point where it 695 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 4: could be one of the biggest things. 696 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 3: And in the new work, you. 697 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 2: Have to have irrational dreams. Irrational things don't happen unless 698 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 2: you have a rational no doubts, Like there's no love 699 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 2: somebody from where I come from is going to even 700 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 2: move here to do anything near like this. But if 701 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 2: like that's what fuels the fire right, I'm psychotic. So 702 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 2: and if I don't believe in me, why should anybody 703 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 2: else believe in me? And like I believe in me 704 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 2: too much. But you have to be nuts. But again, 705 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 2: the same thing with any sort of art. There's no 706 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 2: money in it until there is, Until there is. I 707 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 2: was texting with the friend, I was gonna bring this 708 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 2: up to you guys who I don't I'm not now. 709 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 2: I do like him, he's my friend. Friends on that one, 710 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 2: I don't. I'm not in the music world at all anymore. 711 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 2: As far as I don't program anything. I don't pick 712 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 2: music to be played on like they pay me to 713 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 2: go be compelling. 714 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 3: That's it. 715 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 2: Go say stuff, get people to care wherever I am. 716 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 2: If I'm in here, if I'm doing the radio show, 717 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 2: doing sports show, like, be compelling. That's how I make 718 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 2: my money. Now, when we do the live terrestrial radio show, 719 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 2: which is still quite massive, there are songs that are played. 720 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 2: I don't program those songs. 721 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 3: Now. 722 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 2: I can't take a song and just put it in. 723 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 2: You can, yeah that's cool, Yeah, but I don't. I 724 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 2: do that like once every month and a half or so. 725 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 2: If I'm just like this song's awesome and it's more 726 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 2: like something you believe in, Yeah, it's like I'm being 727 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 2: compelling about that that song at that moment, Like, hey, 728 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 2: I heard this is super cool. But you guys are 729 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 2: like it, right, So yeah, it wasn't like that when 730 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 2: I moved here, where I was breaking artists left and right. 731 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. 732 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 2: Now the environment's not really conducive to that, and that 733 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 2: is not where I can't own that because it's not 734 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 2: my art. Yeah, true, you know, and I'm not sure 735 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 2: appreciating it, sure, but I can't being the guy that 736 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 2: breaks music because that I can't own something that's not mine. 737 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 4: Did you own it back in the day, Yeah, because 738 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 4: I was the. 739 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 2: Only one that had a platform big enough to do it, 740 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 2: for sure. Now everything's so fractured, right, yeah, and on 741 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 2: like eleven platforms, but any one, single one. I can't 742 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 2: do that anymore. I could if I put all my 743 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 2: effort into it, but I don't. So anyway, one of 744 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 2: my friends I don't. So all that to say is 745 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 2: I never hear new music. It's just not my world. 746 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 2: I don't pick songs. I don't, and I mean this 747 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 2: in the best way. I don't care. I listened to it, 748 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 2: and I have a lot of friends in the industry, 749 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 2: but I don't like no Whens. The song goes, hey, 750 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 2: we're gonna release as a single? What do you think never. Yeah, 751 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 2: No one's don that in two years to me because 752 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 2: they know it doesn't matter. 753 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 3: Right. 754 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 2: So one of my friends today I'm very close to 755 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 2: I was walking, we're walking together and he has a 756 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 2: number one, he's about to have a second number one, 757 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 2: and he knows I know how the games work, and 758 00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 2: he's like, hey, I think that we have picked our 759 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 2: date to strategically go for number one. And you know 760 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 2: some people drop off, they all get in their little 761 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 2: you know, you know how it goes around here, indeed, 762 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 2: And so I'm like, that's freaking awesome that your team 763 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 2: is saying this is the date, because that's as close 764 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 2: as you can get to getting it, that you've decided 765 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 2: on the push date to getting it. 766 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 3: And he's like, it's awesome. 767 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 2: I said, so, do you have a what's your next song? 768 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 2: And this is somebody to hang out with like twice 769 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 2: a week, but we never talk music, and not because 770 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 2: we avoid it, but because we're like actual friend. Yeah, 771 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 2: like playing trucks. And he was like, I just wrote it, 772 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 2: just cut it, and he said, you listen to it. 773 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 3: And I got that that. 774 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 2: Old feeling that I used to hate when people say, hey, 775 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 2: would you listen to my song, because mostly it was 776 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 2: what you listen to it and then play it right 777 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 2: that I was feel like everybody was trying to use 778 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 2: me for something. Sure, but my first five years is 779 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 2: all I felt. I didn't trust anybody. I was wrong 780 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 2: about a lot of people, but I'd probably right about 781 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 2: a lot of people I was. I was right some 782 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 2: and I got burned really bad, and I think that's 783 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 2: what made me overcorrect and just. But he he sent 784 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 2: me the song and I and for a second, I 785 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 2: had that that PTSD of oh my God, and I'd 786 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 2: have that many conversation with myself, like this is your 787 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 2: really friend, this is a real life friend, like Compnity Kidney, 788 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 2: you give them one friend. And I listened to the song, 789 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 2: and in my head I was already imagining the text 790 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 2: I was gonna have to send. Oh wow, man, hey, 791 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 2: I can't wait to see what this does. In my head, 792 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 2: that's what I was imagining, because that means it's fine, Yeah, 793 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 2: that's fine. I listened to it. It was so good like 794 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 2: I wanted to cry, and I don't think it was. 795 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 2: And the song was good. The song is really good, 796 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 2: but I don't think it was because of just the 797 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 2: song being really good. I think it was like all 798 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 2: that that I just talked about. I was able to 799 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 2: kind of just kind of kick all those feelings that 800 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 2: I had about people using me. So I don't do this, 801 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 2: and I do do this, and I keep these boundaries up. 802 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 2: And then I have this friend who's been grinding so 803 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 2: hard and like I started to get tears of and 804 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 2: I'm by myself and I'm like, what is I'm like 805 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 2: having this weird moment, and I listened to this song 806 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 2: in the song is so good. I'm not gonna play it. 807 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 2: I'm not saying who it is. And so I texted 808 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 2: him back, I'm going to write verbatim because I think 809 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 2: as songwriters and just artists in general, you guys will relate. 810 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 3: I'm excited about this. 811 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 2: I said, I don't know the guy that wrote that song, 812 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 2: is what I replied. I said, I know the mediocre 813 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 2: pickleball player that I beat the crap out of, but 814 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 2: I don't know that guy who wrote that song. Like 815 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 2: that's awesome, and sometimes you need to be reminded how 816 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,279 Speaker 2: awesome your friends are. And he wrote, thank you. It's 817 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,799 Speaker 2: probably the favorite thing I've ever written. You know, a 818 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 2: personal thing about his family, and then I just wrote 819 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 2: a couple things about I said, Hey, the concept was great, 820 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 2: the word play was awesome. Sonically, whoever singing the harmony's 821 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 2: like so technically, I just did a little quick evaluation. 822 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 2: I said, gets to the hook quick, which is like 823 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 2: a thing. And he says to me, hoping it's going 824 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 2: to be the one that opens the door all the 825 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 2: way for us. And as he was saying that, I 826 00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 2: said to that, I said, I was dreading to listen 827 00:34:58,520 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 2: to it because I was afraid to be fine, and 828 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,399 Speaker 2: I would just they can't wait to see this song 829 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 2: do his thing. But back to he said, hoping it 830 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 2: was going to be the one that opens the door 831 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,800 Speaker 2: for us. And I feel like I said this because 832 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 2: I have felt that way many times about many things 833 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 2: that I was going to do. And there's not a door. 834 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,439 Speaker 2: There's never a door. There's never a door. And I said, 835 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 2: the door will never be opened all the way. It's 836 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 2: just a different chase to a different door. But you 837 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 2: wrote an excellent song, regardless of what it does on 838 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 2: some chart based on a thousand variables, that is an 839 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:35,239 Speaker 2: amazing song. Acknowledging it now is extremely valuable because it 840 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,359 Speaker 2: won't be up to you or even up to your art. 841 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 2: If it's going to be a number one, it's all 842 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,719 Speaker 2: by chance. I love youbody, and he writes a message back, 843 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,840 Speaker 2: and it was just the idea of again, here's my friend, 844 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:49,839 Speaker 2: and you guys have to create art out of your 845 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 2: thoughts and your heart and your soul and then you 846 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 2: have to go and just let people judge it. 847 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think that's an interest. 848 00:35:55,719 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 1: That's a really I mean, like you can tell that whoever, 849 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,879 Speaker 1: even if it wasn't you, if someone had just read 850 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 1: me that text message of what they replied, that's somebody 851 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 1: that that has has grown up in the in the business, 852 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, you. 853 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 3: Know how the business works. 854 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 1: And I think there for a while, when you're starry eyed, 855 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,439 Speaker 1: you have this concept that you're going to be able 856 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 1: to release this song and that basically based on how 857 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 1: people feel about it, it's going to perform at a 858 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,959 Speaker 1: certain level. And then maybe you even do that, maybe 859 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 1: you even have one that connects and that's what brings 860 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 1: you to the town. 861 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:33,880 Speaker 3: Right. 862 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 1: We've seen that a lot, and you know to to 863 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 1: when you kind of see behind the curtain on on 864 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,839 Speaker 1: the game of it it's a different it's a different deal. 865 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,840 Speaker 1: So to have someone who's who knows that and is 866 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 1: able to ship and I know we're talking way inside here. 867 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 3: I hope that's that's why we do this talk inside 868 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 3: as possible. Yeah. 869 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,839 Speaker 1: I just think it's it's cool and it probably meant 870 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 1: a lot to him to hear it from somebody who's 871 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,319 Speaker 1: who has done that and been a part of it 872 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: and honestly kind of like dissociated themselves from that and go, 873 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 1: this is my honest opinion, and whether it does anything 874 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 1: or not, like great tune, man, And that's what that 875 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 1: means a lot to creatives. 876 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:14,800 Speaker 3: No doubt. 877 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:19,759 Speaker 4: Yeah, because like it feels like in that moment like 878 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 4: put yeah, putting ever, put the lights, put the radio, shows, 879 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,279 Speaker 4: put the radio, put everything aside. A great song was 880 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 4: heard and appreciated and moved to somebody the way it 881 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 4: is created to do. 882 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:32,720 Speaker 3: Period. 883 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,799 Speaker 2: Before you start, he starts or she whoever starts second 884 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,319 Speaker 2: guessing maybe this song wasn't as good as I thought 885 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 2: it was. 886 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 1: Oh he or she thought that when they sent it, 887 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,399 Speaker 1: Because I mean I do that all the time. It's like, man, 888 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 1: this song is a banger, Dude, I know this is awesome. 889 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 1: And then I get in the truck with reading and 890 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 1: I'm like, check this tune out and I play it 891 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 1: and like halfway through the first verse, I'm like, oh, 892 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,799 Speaker 1: shouldn't I say that? Oh, he probably doesn't like that part. 893 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 1: This should get a reaction. 894 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 3: It didn't. Okay, we're you know. 895 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: What I mean, And before you know what, you're cutting 896 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 1: it off halfway through the second verse one. 897 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:03,880 Speaker 3: It ain't that good. You know, we'll see what happens. 898 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,360 Speaker 2: And you've besigned his thoughts unfairly, totally unfairly on you, 899 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 2: and he may not even have those thoughts. And where 900 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:14,960 Speaker 2: I feel, and I'm empathetic, I should say toward artists 901 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,240 Speaker 2: who create anything is when you have to put something 902 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 2: out that people have to consume in order to have 903 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,840 Speaker 2: it feel and be a success, Like that's a vulnerability 904 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:26,320 Speaker 2: that you don't get to control. 905 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 3: Almost we explain that. 906 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 1: I'm curious as to say that one more time. I 907 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 1: think I understood you, but I want to make sure 908 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:31,399 Speaker 1: that I did. 909 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:32,839 Speaker 3: What did I say? 910 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 1: You're saying that when an artist has to put something 911 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 1: out so in order to cause a reaction, whether you 912 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 1: have to, you have. 913 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,440 Speaker 2: To create something right, sure, and you have to be 914 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 2: vulnerable to create it at times. Oh I got you 915 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 2: vulnerable to have it out and be judged for sure, 916 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:55,520 Speaker 2: and then you are letting its worth and value be 917 00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,719 Speaker 2: acknowledged by the amount of streams that gets the money. 918 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,680 Speaker 4: And it's subjective in the in the first place anyway, 919 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,839 Speaker 4: So it's not like it's not like hitting a good 920 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,960 Speaker 4: golf shot, because a good golf shot is a good 921 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,280 Speaker 4: golf shot, or running a running fast absolutely or winning 922 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,320 Speaker 4: a race, right like, it's not that you could create. 923 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 4: I could have written the best song in the world, 924 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 4: may have, may have like I didn't, but but one 925 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:24,799 Speaker 4: of those days I could have. I could have the 926 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,160 Speaker 4: best song in the world right now in my catalog 927 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 4: and literally just because it never gets cut, no one 928 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 4: will ever hear about it. 929 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, buried under thousands and thousands of other mediocre songs. 930 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,120 Speaker 2: And I didn't want him to ever Well, an he 931 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,399 Speaker 2: will or he won't at some point be like maybe 932 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,440 Speaker 2: that song wasn't because I thought it was when I 933 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,200 Speaker 2: just my whole thing to him was one. There is 934 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 2: not some magical door that ever opens. Ever, it does 935 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,600 Speaker 2: not matter, like it doesn't matter which friend it can be. 936 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:52,959 Speaker 2: And I'll talk about people that I know really well, 937 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 2: like a Luke Bryan who that's it. He's the mecca 938 00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,160 Speaker 2: for sure. He's achieved everything totally. I don't need and 939 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,879 Speaker 2: think with him. You'd go, hey, Luke, you've done it all. 940 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 2: He'd go like yeah, but yeah, yeah, but I didn't. Uh. 941 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 2: There's never a that door. There are always opportunities that 942 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 2: hopefully enrich your life in a way that's meaningful. And 943 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:20,839 Speaker 2: that was the first thing. It's like, he's like, I'm 944 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,200 Speaker 2: just gonna open up so many doors. There are times 945 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,360 Speaker 2: where I've not gotten things and it's opened massive doors 946 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,319 Speaker 2: for me. And then the second thing was, well you did. 947 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,279 Speaker 2: It's awesome. This song's awesome, and I hope you don't 948 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,319 Speaker 2: if it's not successful, let that make you think it's 949 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,600 Speaker 2: not awesome. Yeah, and just like acknowledge it right now. 950 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,120 Speaker 2: This is you got to live in that moment that 951 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 2: you're talking about, own it because it's all anyway, there 952 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:40,520 Speaker 2: was a whole. 953 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:41,040 Speaker 3: That means a lot. 954 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:42,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean I would I would assume that 955 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,319 Speaker 1: would have been a lot. I mean I've had people do 956 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,960 Speaker 1: that with me as well. You know who read too. 957 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,080 Speaker 1: We've been writing songs forever and to have those kind 958 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,680 Speaker 1: of champions. Even if it's not somebody in the business, 959 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,800 Speaker 1: it means a lot, you know, for a creative to 960 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,279 Speaker 1: hear that hey man, that spoke to me, regardless of 961 00:40:58,280 --> 00:40:58,719 Speaker 1: what it just. 962 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,440 Speaker 3: Pull, it pours a little fuel and fire. 963 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,800 Speaker 4: Like I mean, those those days happen in the room songwriting, 964 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,840 Speaker 4: and like you can have you can have tons of 965 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,120 Speaker 4: days where you just like I was saying earlier, like 966 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 4: you just feel like you're banging your head against the wall. 967 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 4: You don't know what the purpose is. But you get 968 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,040 Speaker 4: in that one room where a really great idea comes 969 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 4: up and everybody is in that idea in the same place, 970 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,400 Speaker 4: and you create a song that. 971 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,799 Speaker 3: You loved, that you believe and. 972 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:25,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, you'd love for it to get cut in the 973 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:26,799 Speaker 4: world to hear it, but at the end of the day, 974 00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,239 Speaker 4: you don't care because you created something that you're proud of. 975 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,319 Speaker 4: Like those those are special and it's the same thing 976 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,120 Speaker 4: as that moment that you had listened to that song 977 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,319 Speaker 4: is like you got to live in that moment for 978 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,160 Speaker 4: that day because you don't get a. 979 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:38,600 Speaker 3: Lot of those. 980 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,520 Speaker 2: If I remove it being somebody that I know, love 981 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,120 Speaker 2: trust it as a friend, and I just think it's 982 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:46,719 Speaker 2: very rare now that I hear a song, we're a 983 00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:48,719 Speaker 2: bit jaded, right, we're in the middle of it. We're 984 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:53,120 Speaker 2: a bit we're yeah, we're creating, we're creating whatever hourly. 985 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,239 Speaker 2: It's rare that I hear anything, because they hear a 986 00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,799 Speaker 2: lot of great things. That just does like a little 987 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,960 Speaker 2: mini like a little sure man that that's it's, it's. 988 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,319 Speaker 2: And I'll even remove this and I'll ask you that, like, 989 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:10,399 Speaker 2: what's the last song you've heard that you're like, oh God, what. 990 00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,239 Speaker 3: Are we basing it on? Are basing it on? 991 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,239 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. And I'll vamp and I'll give you 992 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:15,840 Speaker 2: a story, give you a second to think. This is 993 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,160 Speaker 2: a great interviewing tip, by the way, you see your 994 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:18,600 Speaker 2: person struggling, tell a story. 995 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,080 Speaker 3: Did you think I was struggling? No? 996 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:21,560 Speaker 2: But, but, but but I know you want to have 997 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,319 Speaker 2: a good answer for this. I think I don't want 998 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,440 Speaker 2: to rush you to a bad answer because I'll get 999 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,319 Speaker 2: bad answers sometimes. So there's not dead air. 1000 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,279 Speaker 3: Well, do you want to know if you're a good go? 1001 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm good. I think I think it's probably 1002 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:33,319 Speaker 1: the same for both of us. 1003 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,319 Speaker 3: So you obviously know this. 1004 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:40,919 Speaker 1: We're so swamped with music constantly, that there's a there's 1005 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:47,280 Speaker 1: a regular hum in our ears of what's commercial, who's cool, 1006 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:52,040 Speaker 1: what's popular at this moment, why is this guy successful? 1007 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,879 Speaker 1: And there's little blips that pop up, you know, like, oh, 1008 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,879 Speaker 1: this is cool, this is having a moment, Oh check 1009 00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:57,319 Speaker 1: this out. 1010 00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,440 Speaker 3: And and and I'm not I'm not a. 1011 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,040 Speaker 1: Dog in anybody that's had those blips, like I think, 1012 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,719 Speaker 1: and they're great and they can lead to like an 1013 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,680 Speaker 1: actual career, Like right now, I think that Ella Langley 1014 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,480 Speaker 1: Riley Green tune, it's like having a bit of a moment. 1015 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 3: There's some like. 1016 00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,799 Speaker 1: Sex appeal to it. It's also a very well written song. 1017 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,680 Speaker 1: It's also done by two really great singers, and it's 1018 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,320 Speaker 1: it's it's blipping right, it's doing the thing. And I 1019 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,120 Speaker 1: think because that people are being introduced to Ella, people 1020 00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,360 Speaker 1: are being introduced to Rileigh, and they're diving in more so, 1021 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,279 Speaker 1: it's it's a good thing. But and that song was 1022 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,400 Speaker 1: even kind of moving to me just because of the 1023 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,399 Speaker 1: out of the box sound like even sonically that that 1024 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,680 Speaker 1: that tune had. And I love both of those people 1025 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,879 Speaker 1: very much, But the one that got me recently ready 1026 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,480 Speaker 1: helped me with this was the I don't remember what k. 1027 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,279 Speaker 3: We do this in, but it's like, did. 1028 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,359 Speaker 2: You guys write this one nocause that had been cool 1029 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:54,239 Speaker 2: if you were like, this is the one I wrote. 1030 00:43:54,480 --> 00:44:00,280 Speaker 3: I wish we wrote this that. Uh I see maybe Yeah. 1031 00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,280 Speaker 3: I never show le to her. 1032 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:11,839 Speaker 4: And I don't drink with skin, and I don't know 1033 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,160 Speaker 4: how it feels. 1034 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:19,720 Speaker 3: Oh, it ain't been lonely. 1035 00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:30,319 Speaker 7: Since you said goodbye. It's I could sing mesh, but 1036 00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,160 Speaker 7: you know I never. 1037 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,000 Speaker 3: I mean, come on, dude, that's a great song. That 1038 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:36,360 Speaker 3: Zach top tune. 1039 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,839 Speaker 1: It's incredible got me in my ears, dude, And I 1040 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,720 Speaker 1: was like, okay, So immediately I can't just like enjoy 1041 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,160 Speaker 1: it as a listener, right, I have to start breaking 1042 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:50,640 Speaker 1: down the reason. And so you know, immediately I'm like, 1043 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:56,240 Speaker 1: sounds like something from my childhood. Also very quality lyric, 1044 00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:03,000 Speaker 1: also very appear easing tone, right, And so when I 1045 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,719 Speaker 1: stick all those things together, I realize like, I'm a 1046 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,160 Speaker 1: child of the nineties. My ears are are ears of 1047 00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:12,200 Speaker 1: the nineties. And that felt that didn't feel like somebody 1048 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,880 Speaker 1: chasing something that sounded like the nineties. 1049 00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,200 Speaker 3: It just felt like that guy was that thing. 1050 00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:21,440 Speaker 1: And so for me, that felt very genuine and that 1051 00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,880 Speaker 1: that's the that's the breakdown of why that song like 1052 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:26,640 Speaker 1: kind of hit me in my in my guts. 1053 00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,120 Speaker 3: But yeah, that's one of the most recent ones. I 1054 00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:29,080 Speaker 3: like what that kid's doing. 1055 00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,400 Speaker 1: I like that he's smoking cigarettes behind the stage and 1056 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:36,080 Speaker 1: they're catching him. I liked these riding the damn scoots. 1057 00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:40,280 Speaker 4: Just feel you believe that guy, and it's not a facade. 1058 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:41,400 Speaker 3: It's not it's not fake. 1059 00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,480 Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, I don't care if it is, because 1060 00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:48,320 Speaker 1: it's so refreshing to see a young kid excited about 1061 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,439 Speaker 1: the business and the music that I'm in. I'm in, 1062 00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,360 Speaker 1: you know, I'm in on Zachtop for sure. 1063 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:54,680 Speaker 3: Man. 1064 00:45:54,719 --> 00:46:00,239 Speaker 4: Mine was the other night watching Stephen Wilson Jr. I 1065 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:06,839 Speaker 4: saw this clip of him doing Oh Yeah live at 1066 00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,960 Speaker 4: the print Shop. He did an interview and did some songs. 1067 00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:13,080 Speaker 4: But I got onto this interview and watched the whole 1068 00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,000 Speaker 4: thing and he played a song called I'm a song 1069 00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,000 Speaker 4: at the end of it that it's like I'm there 1070 00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,200 Speaker 4: for this, I'm there when you need this, and you know, 1071 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,520 Speaker 4: and I think, I mean, I sat there and Jordan 1072 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,560 Speaker 4: looked at me. She was like, I've never seen you. 1073 00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,920 Speaker 4: Would you say, like, like. 1074 00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:29,759 Speaker 3: Right, like it takes a lot. 1075 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:31,959 Speaker 4: It takes a lot for me to get excited about 1076 00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,359 Speaker 4: a song anymore, or or an artist or anything like that. 1077 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,800 Speaker 4: But man, when this guy played this on this nylon 1078 00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,200 Speaker 4: just ripped up guitar that had stickers all on it, 1079 00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:46,919 Speaker 4: and it was it was shredded. Like you just I mean, 1080 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:51,080 Speaker 4: you couldn't help but not be in be in the tune, 1081 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,840 Speaker 4: you know, because he pulled you in with the authenticity 1082 00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,640 Speaker 4: that he was singing with. The lyric was great, the 1083 00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:01,160 Speaker 4: sound was great, but like you just could not like it, 1084 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,359 Speaker 4: you know, And that's what it kind of blew it. 1085 00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,120 Speaker 4: It blew me away. It blew me away. And another 1086 00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:11,040 Speaker 4: one that comes to mind was was Allison Krausen Union 1087 00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,520 Speaker 4: Station live at the Kite Theater when the first time 1088 00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,480 Speaker 4: I heard the Boy who Wouldn't Go Whole Corn. I mean, 1089 00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,920 Speaker 4: it just there's those songs that just do something to you. 1090 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:21,919 Speaker 4: And I can remember I was in college. I listened 1091 00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,799 Speaker 4: to that song for about three hours because I don't 1092 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:25,880 Speaker 4: know what it was about it. 1093 00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,960 Speaker 3: But as far as new music, oh yeah, well it 1094 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:29,279 Speaker 3: could be. 1095 00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,319 Speaker 2: I mean the two things, the two songs that I 1096 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,880 Speaker 2: think of are drastically different, and for different reasons, but 1097 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,279 Speaker 2: one was for just how catchy it was, and this 1098 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:39,799 Speaker 2: one has been in seven or eight years now, and then 1099 00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:44,640 Speaker 2: one is from like a month ago. But I remember 1100 00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:46,960 Speaker 2: the first time that I was I think I was 1101 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,239 Speaker 2: probably it's probably the high probably the Highway or something. 1102 00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,480 Speaker 2: I was flipping on because friends that work over there, 1103 00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,520 Speaker 2: and so I listened, uh, like they do evenings or whatever. 1104 00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,520 Speaker 2: I was over there, and the first time that I 1105 00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:58,640 Speaker 2: heard meant to be I was like, this is the 1106 00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,640 Speaker 2: catchy thing that's ever happened history of the world. And 1107 00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,879 Speaker 2: I was like, and then you start listening, you're like, oh, 1108 00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,000 Speaker 2: then you start doing the thing where like, oh wow, 1109 00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:07,360 Speaker 2: it's so simple. But it's like, well, if it was 1110 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,520 Speaker 2: so so simple and easy, everybody would have done this already. 1111 00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,120 Speaker 2: But just hearing that over and over and how they 1112 00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,960 Speaker 2: that was, I was like, my brain is warped. Not 1113 00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:20,080 Speaker 2: the message. It's a pop song, but it's so freaking catchy, 1114 00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,400 Speaker 2: like they like candied here the greatest candy. 1115 00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:23,719 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1116 00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:28,839 Speaker 2: I remember looking at the freaking radio going, I don't 1117 00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:30,160 Speaker 2: know what that is, but like that's it. 1118 00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:30,719 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1119 00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,880 Speaker 2: The other was probably three months ago. I'm going to 1120 00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:34,680 Speaker 2: play you some of it. 1121 00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:35,359 Speaker 3: I can't wait. 1122 00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,480 Speaker 2: Well, she's twelve. This is the weird part about it, 1123 00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,120 Speaker 2: that that she's twelve, and like, what in the world 1124 00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:42,279 Speaker 2: what does a twelve year old know? 1125 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:44,120 Speaker 3: That's what you think is in this kind of the 1126 00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:44,799 Speaker 3: beauty of it, right? 1127 00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:49,480 Speaker 2: It absolutely is, yeah, And it's not like, how did 1128 00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,919 Speaker 2: you come across well hang out with watch twelve year olds? 1129 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:52,239 Speaker 3: Don't know? 1130 00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:53,239 Speaker 2: I'm so wish. Wouldn't ask that? 1131 00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,600 Speaker 3: Sorry in your wife twelve or something? Eleven? 1132 00:48:55,760 --> 00:49:01,319 Speaker 2: Start calm down, So I'm going to I'm just gonna 1133 00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,640 Speaker 2: again not on a record label, and I can tell 1134 00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,279 Speaker 2: you how I know how founder Founder sounds weird too, 1135 00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,960 Speaker 2: but how I am familiar with her music. 1136 00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:10,560 Speaker 3: Just play it? 1137 00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,439 Speaker 2: Man, Thank you, thank you God. I just needed someone 1138 00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:13,200 Speaker 2: to give me that rank. 1139 00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:21,120 Speaker 3: Where have you been lately? My life has been so crazy? 1140 00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,040 Speaker 3: Whish did you come home? 1141 00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:26,719 Speaker 2: Hey? 1142 00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:32,600 Speaker 3: You know all of them says do you think you 1143 00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:39,840 Speaker 3: can keep? Never let them go? In an. 1144 00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:50,000 Speaker 2: Makes those Taylor like Taylor Swiftian is very much influenced, right. 1145 00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:51,359 Speaker 3: Some casey most grave then. 1146 00:49:53,040 --> 00:50:08,839 Speaker 2: Think, then there's here like the now she's twelve, and. 1147 00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,640 Speaker 3: But he's doing some good work already. Though she wrote it. 1148 00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:16,320 Speaker 2: You know, she wrote the song. And it's like I 1149 00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:21,719 Speaker 2: think at times as adults, we can unsimplify. 1150 00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,600 Speaker 3: Things maybe all the time dude. 1151 00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,560 Speaker 2: By going, well, if I say it just how I 1152 00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,080 Speaker 2: feel it, people don't think I'm stupid. Yeah, I don't 1153 00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:29,759 Speaker 2: want to sound like a. 1154 00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,799 Speaker 4: Cave man or it's going when that when whoever that is, 1155 00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:34,200 Speaker 4: that's the only way they know how to do. 1156 00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:37,560 Speaker 2: It, and that's why it so. So that's Iris Copperman 1157 00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:38,480 Speaker 2: Ross's daughter. 1158 00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:39,839 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, okay, and. 1159 00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,840 Speaker 2: So we're very close to that family. I didn't know 1160 00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,479 Speaker 2: Iris was good. It was really we went to watch 1161 00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,359 Speaker 2: her her first ever show that she played, Like we're 1162 00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,040 Speaker 2: close enough. We went to watch it with because Ross 1163 00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:54,200 Speaker 2: and who is he with They were doing like a 1164 00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:55,720 Speaker 2: two person songwriter. 1165 00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,720 Speaker 3: Thing, and so popped her up to sing something four. 1166 00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:01,560 Speaker 2: Songs and like she was so good. Yes, so like 1167 00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:03,719 Speaker 2: I got tears in my Like she was actually good 1168 00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:08,240 Speaker 2: in person too. But hearing that something that's not that 1169 00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,800 Speaker 2: that is so simple because they didn't avoid being simple, 1170 00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:12,719 Speaker 2: is what's so refreshing to me. 1171 00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:14,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, we say it all the time. I mean I 1172 00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,040 Speaker 1: think I said this in the last two or three days. 1173 00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:18,279 Speaker 1: It feels like it comes up all the time. But 1174 00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,640 Speaker 1: it's as a songwriter. Creatively, it's almost like you have 1175 00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:27,640 Speaker 1: to learn how to do all the things that fit 1176 00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:32,840 Speaker 1: within the commercial box, and you spend so much time, 1177 00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,000 Speaker 1: so much time of your life doing those that to 1178 00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,759 Speaker 1: become something that somebody, To become a person that writes 1179 00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:41,880 Speaker 1: songs that somebody wants to cut, you almost have to 1180 00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:43,920 Speaker 1: like learn it and then just completely push it to 1181 00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:48,720 Speaker 1: the side, because those unadulterated things that just come straight 1182 00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,359 Speaker 1: from the heart usually end up connecting. And I think 1183 00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,840 Speaker 1: as some as commercial songwriters, sometimes we go I don't understand, 1184 00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,120 Speaker 1: I don't understand why that's hitting. I mean, that's the 1185 00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,919 Speaker 1: that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard, or that's but man, 1186 00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:05,920 Speaker 1: when you break it down, connecting with people can be 1187 00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,960 Speaker 1: extremely simple or it can be extremely complex, like that 1188 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,640 Speaker 1: what I heard to me, that's extremely simple. 1189 00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,400 Speaker 3: She's twelve year olds. It should be. But the production 1190 00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:16,040 Speaker 3: is money. 1191 00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure Ross is drilling that Tom, you 1192 00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,200 Speaker 1: know what I mean, like just dialing it right in. 1193 00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,759 Speaker 4: It's easy to chase things too or you keep going 1194 00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:24,280 Speaker 4: my bad. 1195 00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:25,960 Speaker 1: Well, I was just gonna I was about to literally 1196 00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,640 Speaker 1: say that same thing. When you're that young, you don't 1197 00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:29,600 Speaker 1: even know to chase things. 1198 00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,520 Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying, Just like you don't know what 1199 00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,720 Speaker 4: success and not and successes are not success. You haven't 1200 00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:39,640 Speaker 4: done anything that that you love that somebody said no to, 1201 00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:41,960 Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So like, it's easy to 1202 00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,040 Speaker 4: look at the things that are successful, look at the 1203 00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,640 Speaker 4: Morgan Wallins and the Luke Colmbs's and the Landy Wilson's 1204 00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:49,080 Speaker 4: right now, and go, hey, I want to sound like that. 1205 00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:50,879 Speaker 3: I want to write those songs. I want to sing 1206 00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:51,759 Speaker 3: those songs. 1207 00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,160 Speaker 4: And and and when you when you get into that game, man, 1208 00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,799 Speaker 4: you you're doing what everybody else is already doing. You're 1209 00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,200 Speaker 4: already you're already car way back. 1210 00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:02,719 Speaker 3: In that line. You ain't leading that pack. Man. 1211 00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,319 Speaker 1: I tell you my favorite thing recently that I saw, man, 1212 00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:09,440 Speaker 1: and it's it's just been honestly punching me in the 1213 00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,120 Speaker 1: good because I feel like I'm being very honest right here. 1214 00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:16,240 Speaker 1: I feel like for a while, for a while now, 1215 00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,520 Speaker 1: I feel like I've been chasing the money because I 1216 00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,440 Speaker 1: didn't have anything at all when I was first creating. 1217 00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:24,960 Speaker 1: And then you get a little bump here, you get 1218 00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:26,879 Speaker 1: a little success here, before you know it, you want 1219 00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:28,319 Speaker 1: more of that more and that more than that, and 1220 00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:32,200 Speaker 1: before you know it, you're you're you're centered on that 1221 00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:36,000 Speaker 1: so much. So that and that can be replaced maybe 1222 00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:40,000 Speaker 1: you maybe you put success or awards or whatever. It 1223 00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,080 Speaker 1: can be a multitude different things. For me, it was 1224 00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,879 Speaker 1: like trying to chase the money. And I saw something man, 1225 00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,040 Speaker 1: and it was this guy saying, if you try to 1226 00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,759 Speaker 1: chase money, you'll never catch it. You'll never catch it 1227 00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:54,560 Speaker 1: because money's always moving, right. But what but if you 1228 00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:58,280 Speaker 1: but if you create the art, that's what money chases. 1229 00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:02,240 Speaker 1: Money chases the art. So like, if you're creating something 1230 00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:07,920 Speaker 1: that that's art, the money's that's what's true to you, 1231 00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:09,960 Speaker 1: what it wants anyone. Yeah, you know, but if you're 1232 00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,960 Speaker 1: trying to just create something for money, you're already, you're 1233 00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:14,560 Speaker 1: already you'll always be behind it. 1234 00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. And I'd venture to say, most of the songs that. 1235 00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:22,120 Speaker 4: That get cut in this town from guys who aren't 1236 00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,480 Speaker 4: like the gorlies and like, you can just write a song, 1237 00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,440 Speaker 4: go get it cut. Like most of the songs that 1238 00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,879 Speaker 4: are breaking songwriters, and the songwriters I have success with 1239 00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,360 Speaker 4: are the ones that are their story and are true 1240 00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:34,080 Speaker 4: to their life. 1241 00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not saying that every song has to be 1242 00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,680 Speaker 1: like that, but yeah, that's not seems to be what connects. 1243 00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:40,160 Speaker 3: No, absolutely, I've got to I've got to know, and 1244 00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:40,359 Speaker 3: I don't. 1245 00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:41,960 Speaker 4: I'm not good at doing it every day, And I 1246 00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,880 Speaker 4: feel like that's part of the the the key to 1247 00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,160 Speaker 4: the kingdom of this thing is like, if you can 1248 00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:51,480 Speaker 4: go into a room every day and and write about 1249 00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,080 Speaker 4: what's on your mind, what's on your heart, what do 1250 00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:57,239 Speaker 4: you believe in? What's true to you that only you know? 1251 00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,600 Speaker 4: I feel like you're setting yourself way more up success 1252 00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,480 Speaker 4: and you know, and and so like there's a phone, 1253 00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,439 Speaker 4: there's a note in my phone and I scroll past 1254 00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:06,440 Speaker 4: it all the time, but it says like, hey, what 1255 00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,360 Speaker 4: do you what do you want to say today? 1256 00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,360 Speaker 3: Like what do you? What do you? What do you 1257 00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,000 Speaker 3: believe in today? Right about that? 1258 00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,359 Speaker 4: Because that's one that's that's the song that's gonna make 1259 00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:17,840 Speaker 4: you feel good and want to do it again tomorrow. 1260 00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:18,359 Speaker 3: Two. 1261 00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,759 Speaker 4: It's probably the song that's gonna have the best chance 1262 00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:22,360 Speaker 4: of getting of being successful. 1263 00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:24,359 Speaker 1: I had had no cuts on Tom when I wrote 1264 00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:28,239 Speaker 1: with Tom Douglas, and he was like he took me 1265 00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,799 Speaker 1: to Subway and we were getting a sandwich and we 1266 00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,080 Speaker 1: had we hadn't done anything that mony, hadn't gotten any 1267 00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,839 Speaker 1: songs that morning, and I remember saying to him, Man, 1268 00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,040 Speaker 1: he was like, so, how's it going. And I was like, 1269 00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:42,120 Speaker 1: I'm terrified. He's like, whine, I said, because I've been 1270 00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,839 Speaker 1: at this company, published a company for five years now, 1271 00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,920 Speaker 1: and I know how companies work, and I know that 1272 00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:53,600 Speaker 1: somewhere there's somebody so high up and eventually they're going 1273 00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,640 Speaker 1: to run across my name and they're going to go, well, 1274 00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:57,680 Speaker 1: this guy's been here for this long and there's been 1275 00:55:58,480 --> 00:55:59,640 Speaker 1: zero cuts out of this thing. 1276 00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,640 Speaker 3: Eventually, as a business owner, you go, that guy's gonna go. Man. 1277 00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:05,759 Speaker 3: I mean you know, over time, it's like, if you're 1278 00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,719 Speaker 3: not producing, you gotta go. Unless we be real it's 1279 00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:09,560 Speaker 3: a business. 1280 00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:13,200 Speaker 1: ROI return, sure, totally, and so I'm telling him that, 1281 00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:16,560 Speaker 1: and I said, but honestly, man, I'm I feel very 1282 00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:20,960 Speaker 1: confident in my body of work, and I feel extremely 1283 00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:24,880 Speaker 1: not confident in the fact that I'm not making any money. 1284 00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:26,960 Speaker 3: And he was like, Dan, I'm gonna be honest with you. 1285 00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:32,279 Speaker 1: He said, the body of work is more valuable than 1286 00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:33,319 Speaker 1: the money coming in. 1287 00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:35,839 Speaker 3: He's like, if you can just continue to. 1288 00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:40,600 Speaker 1: Add quality art to that body of work, it'll catch up. 1289 00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:46,319 Speaker 2: And the key is surviving. Wow, totally surviving, being able 1290 00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,160 Speaker 2: to pay your bills while feeling good. 1291 00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,200 Speaker 3: About what you're making and learning the craft. Yeah, and 1292 00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,200 Speaker 3: you will showing up. Yeah. Yeah, all of these things 1293 00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:53,680 Speaker 3: work together. 1294 00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:55,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think it would be if someone's listening 1295 00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:56,920 Speaker 2: to this and the like, well, I'm broke. So it's 1296 00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:58,280 Speaker 2: easy for you guys to say, yeah, we've. 1297 00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,040 Speaker 3: Been broke to the whole. I've been a house boat, bros. 1298 00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,759 Speaker 2: And so it's you're not listening to people that came 1299 00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:05,920 Speaker 2: up with a bunch of family money. 1300 00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,640 Speaker 3: No, So when. 1301 00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,440 Speaker 2: We say, like, just keep creating the art, we also understand, 1302 00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:12,800 Speaker 2: like you gotta wait tables. 1303 00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:14,719 Speaker 8: At the same time, everybody told us that you got 1304 00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:16,960 Speaker 8: to move first, or dude, you guy that keep doing 1305 00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,440 Speaker 8: what you're doing things you used to drop me nuts, 1306 00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:23,080 Speaker 8: especially coming from people behind mahogany desks, you know. 1307 00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:26,120 Speaker 3: But at the same time, like it's kind of what 1308 00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:27,000 Speaker 3: I say, Now. 1309 00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,920 Speaker 2: I know where those people now, but at least we 1310 00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:34,400 Speaker 2: can share our back back story and maybe those people 1311 00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,160 Speaker 2: behind those mahogany desks were just like us. We just 1312 00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,200 Speaker 2: didn't know their story for sure, we just didn't know 1313 00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,240 Speaker 2: how they got there. We just saw the desk and judged. 1314 00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,120 Speaker 2: But still I hateous people. But you know I still 1315 00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:43,720 Speaker 2: hate them. 1316 00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:45,240 Speaker 3: Why do you? 1317 00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:48,040 Speaker 2: They never had to work for anything. I was reading 1318 00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:49,960 Speaker 2: a story today about how most people form my money. 1319 00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:53,959 Speaker 2: They never have one single I forget how they define 1320 00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,160 Speaker 2: the job, but basically like normal person job, they have 1321 00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,040 Speaker 2: no idea what it's like to actually be in the workforce. 1322 00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,760 Speaker 3: Agreed, I can't and when they offer their opinions. 1323 00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:05,880 Speaker 2: And that's crazy to me. And they've never done it anything. 1324 00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:10,560 Speaker 2: So okay, look, we could do three I'm not kidding. 1325 00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:11,440 Speaker 2: We can do three hours. 1326 00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:12,120 Speaker 3: Is it over? 1327 00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,120 Speaker 2: It's over? But it's already over, like I've got a 1328 00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:17,760 Speaker 2: three o'clock it's already three hot. Sorry you got ten 1329 00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:19,160 Speaker 2: minutes ago. We've only done ten minutes with you. 1330 00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:23,440 Speaker 3: Do we say anything worth anything? We didn't recorded? 1331 00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:25,800 Speaker 2: It's the thing. This has just been warm up. Let 1332 00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,479 Speaker 2: me ask us one lass now because we'll keep it short. 1333 00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:30,960 Speaker 2: I want to do it again. We should do this 1334 00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,480 Speaker 2: once every three months. I try to do yours. Get 1335 00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:34,440 Speaker 2: a baby, I get it. 1336 00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:35,680 Speaker 3: No baby is coming. 1337 00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:39,360 Speaker 2: I like talking with you. It's not labor for to talk. 1338 00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:40,720 Speaker 3: With you guys, and feel the same way about you. Bro. 1339 00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,040 Speaker 3: I didn't know we were done at all. We say 1340 00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:45,000 Speaker 3: that a lot, but I really. 1341 00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:47,840 Speaker 2: Look, Look, I'm over two minutes late. I'm too and 1342 00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:49,240 Speaker 2: I'm never late to anything. But I just want to 1343 00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,440 Speaker 2: ask this last question. I know you are late. That's 1344 00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:52,880 Speaker 2: your thing. That's your thing. I'll let that be your thing. 1345 00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:55,720 Speaker 2: Just that's your thing, least you want it. 1346 00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:58,760 Speaker 3: What were you going to ask? 1347 00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,480 Speaker 2: What's the worst thing that's happened on your podcast so far? 1348 00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:08,560 Speaker 3: Oh? I almost said something that I shouldn't. I can 1349 00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:17,680 Speaker 3: we can we talk about they? So Jumps is our producer. 1350 00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:22,080 Speaker 1: She puts the sheets together that we Otherwise we were 1351 00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:23,720 Speaker 1: just sitting there and talking about music and deer Hunt 1352 00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:26,280 Speaker 1: and know nothing whatever, there would be no direction to 1353 00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:27,160 Speaker 1: anything we were talking about. 1354 00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,320 Speaker 4: I'm excited about this because I have no clue, you know, 1355 00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:31,080 Speaker 4: So I don't write this moment. 1356 00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:35,800 Speaker 1: So she puts little blips in there, and we're blindly 1357 00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,080 Speaker 1: trusting that everything that goes on the sheet is true. 1358 00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:38,760 Speaker 3: Right. 1359 00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:44,200 Speaker 1: So one of the things was and he's he's a friend, 1360 00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,800 Speaker 1: he's so clue. Wouldn't mind me saying this is? 1361 00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:47,080 Speaker 3: Uh? 1362 00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,440 Speaker 1: Jumps puts in there that should I say their name 1363 00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:56,840 Speaker 1: or no, I don't say their name. Okay, this particular person, uh, 1364 00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:03,440 Speaker 1: his daughter alert loves to fish, right and so and 1365 01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:08,320 Speaker 1: over COVID they had this giant bonding experience and it's 1366 01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:10,840 Speaker 1: just become this her passion and you know, and it 1367 01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:14,280 Speaker 1: systs it says it right here. And so in the interview, 1368 01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:17,880 Speaker 1: Read goes, so, tell me about your daughter and you 1369 01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:20,240 Speaker 1: like bonding over this fishing thing. And he's like what 1370 01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:25,880 Speaker 1: And he's like, you know right here where you said 1371 01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:31,440 Speaker 1: this happened. And he's like, dude, that that's like doesn't exist. 1372 01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:34,360 Speaker 4: So with me and readson, my daughter's like okay with fishing, 1373 01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:35,640 Speaker 4: but like most of the times she don't want to go. 1374 01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,080 Speaker 1: So me and Reader just like just turn and look 1375 01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:41,600 Speaker 1: at it jumps like okay. So when that happens, which 1376 01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:45,960 Speaker 1: is only like once every fifteen episodes, now it's become 1377 01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,440 Speaker 1: like a beautiful thing to us at least there's some 1378 01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:50,720 Speaker 1: enjoyment in it, you know, where we're like because it 1379 01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,000 Speaker 1: just puts you in this spot where it's like, well 1380 01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,560 Speaker 1: figure it out, buddy, because none of that shit's true. 1381 01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:57,919 Speaker 2: That's a prime vulnerability whenever you have to go yeah, 1382 01:00:58,000 --> 01:00:58,840 Speaker 2: we're really wrong. 1383 01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:00,880 Speaker 3: Obviously. 1384 01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:02,520 Speaker 2: I have done it a much times too, where I've just 1385 01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:03,480 Speaker 2: had the wrong information. 1386 01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:03,919 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1387 01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,560 Speaker 2: My move is always just here's the sheet I was given. 1388 01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,320 Speaker 2: I just had them and I'm like, no, yeah, I'm like, 1389 01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:11,800 Speaker 2: they wrote this for me. I didn't even think it 1390 01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:13,920 Speaker 2: was true either. I just give him the sheet and 1391 01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:15,000 Speaker 2: then yeah, it sucks. 1392 01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:17,240 Speaker 3: No, that's I mean. 1393 01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:18,720 Speaker 2: I thought the daughter was going to have died because 1394 01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:19,320 Speaker 2: we've done it before. 1395 01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:20,720 Speaker 3: That's what I said. 1396 01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:22,720 Speaker 2: That's what I was like, we've done not with daughter, 1397 01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:24,240 Speaker 2: but with parent. We've done that before. 1398 01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:25,400 Speaker 3: How's your dad doing. 1399 01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:30,240 Speaker 2: He's like, well, I died, yes, very similar, and that sucks. 1400 01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:32,640 Speaker 3: It was life. 1401 01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:39,840 Speaker 1: I would not I don't know what I would do. 1402 01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:44,560 Speaker 1: I don't know how I would like. Oh that you don't. 1403 01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:58,000 Speaker 5: The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the 1404 01:01:58,040 --> 01:01:58,760 Speaker 5: Bobby Cast. 1405 01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:04,080 Speaker 2: I'll give two very tiny stories of just put my 1406 01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:04,800 Speaker 2: foot in my mouth. 1407 01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,760 Speaker 1: Okay, I don't think we've done that yet, have we 1408 01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:09,360 Speaker 1: really put our foot in our mouth yet? 1409 01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:11,439 Speaker 2: I don't think it has to be really live. Okay, 1410 01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:15,360 Speaker 2: I'll get two really time. One. Luckily we were recording, 1411 01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:18,480 Speaker 2: but Sarah Evans was putting out her record and she 1412 01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:20,880 Speaker 2: sits in the other one of these chairs and she 1413 01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:22,640 Speaker 2: has her coffee's and that just loaded that chair right there. 1414 01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:26,880 Speaker 2: Boom falls back, coffee everywhere, like the chair falls. Well, 1415 01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:29,439 Speaker 2: I mean she was leaning back in it wipes out. 1416 01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:32,520 Speaker 3: Were y'all rolling? Y'all have this? 1417 01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:34,720 Speaker 2: Yeah we have, no, we have the audio. 1418 01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:35,440 Speaker 3: We played it. 1419 01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:37,840 Speaker 4: Why was she leaning back in a in a love seat? 1420 01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:41,200 Speaker 2: I don't know. But also you know these are old 1421 01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:42,320 Speaker 2: like antique chairs. 1422 01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:43,600 Speaker 3: That's amazing. 1423 01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:46,040 Speaker 2: But yeah, she felt and she felt hard. I was. 1424 01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:49,760 Speaker 2: I had to make a quick decision. And Sarah is 1425 01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:50,800 Speaker 2: a fire cracker. 1426 01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:51,880 Speaker 3: So what does your brain tell you? 1427 01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:56,959 Speaker 2: Right, my brain goes, assign yourself to one or the other. 1428 01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:00,440 Speaker 2: You're either loving and caring and oh my odd, I 1429 01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:03,800 Speaker 2: am so sorry laughing, or you're busting her balls. Nothing 1430 01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:08,880 Speaker 2: in the middle. No, So I busted the balls and 1431 01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:09,880 Speaker 2: she's said firecracker. 1432 01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:12,280 Speaker 3: It worked, okay, gratulations. 1433 01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:15,280 Speaker 2: And she made but she wiped it. It was it 1434 01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:18,720 Speaker 2: was humiliating for me, not not now for her. I 1435 01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:21,640 Speaker 2: felt so bad, right, Mike, It. 1436 01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:23,640 Speaker 3: Was, Yeah, it was. I saw like my life platform. 1437 01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:26,680 Speaker 2: It was really like a Terro's frame in my mind 1438 01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:30,320 Speaker 2: right there, screaming of coffee going because again we didn't 1439 01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:32,160 Speaker 2: say like, hey, be careful the chair, but it also 1440 01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:33,720 Speaker 2: wasn't like a chair that you had to be you know, 1441 01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:39,400 Speaker 2: so that and if she wasn't just awesome about it, 1442 01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:40,880 Speaker 2: it had been a bad day that she did the 1443 01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,360 Speaker 2: whole hour interview we left all did she have coffee 1444 01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:45,200 Speaker 2: all over? There was coffee everywhere. 1445 01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:48,680 Speaker 3: I used to think she was so fond. Ever been 1446 01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:50,280 Speaker 3: listening to music? Have you ever been told to shut 1447 01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:51,080 Speaker 3: up on your podcast? 1448 01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:53,840 Speaker 2: Wyndy Williams husband trying to beat me up after my 1449 01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:57,600 Speaker 2: show once? Because so in different ways? Yeah, I mean 1450 01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:00,320 Speaker 2: I've been jumped outside the building because people were like people. 1451 01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:02,360 Speaker 2: Wendy Williams was a guest and told me I'll never 1452 01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:05,560 Speaker 2: be her, so you stop shop be like her. Yeah, 1453 01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:07,200 Speaker 2: it's a whole next episode. 1454 01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:10,280 Speaker 3: Dude, How you wait that long? 1455 01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:12,200 Speaker 2: Let me tell you my other quick story because I'm 1456 01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:14,520 Speaker 2: gonna get killed told show late, I'm never let Who 1457 01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:16,560 Speaker 2: did you get told hutta by you don't want to 1458 01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:17,920 Speaker 2: say somebody artist? 1459 01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:20,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, three times in a row. Of course it was 1460 01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:21,600 Speaker 3: hilarious for me. 1461 01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:26,360 Speaker 2: I was like, yes, I'd have been I'd have been fighting. 1462 01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:28,760 Speaker 3: It was subtle verbally it had. 1463 01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:33,440 Speaker 2: Been like no, especially if it's at my place, unless 1464 01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:36,680 Speaker 2: I'm a dick or they interpreted something wrongly that I did. 1465 01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:40,240 Speaker 1: Think we got to get songs cut by these guys. 1466 01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:41,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, but there's I hear you. 1467 01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:43,800 Speaker 2: But I'm talking about if this is your this is 1468 01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:46,640 Speaker 2: your job, you're having to walk a delicate good Good 1469 01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:48,360 Speaker 2: for you, guys. There's a lot the delicate line. There's 1470 01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:49,680 Speaker 2: a line the other one. 1471 01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:54,080 Speaker 3: Quickly, we took our ship in the parking lot. Yeah, 1472 01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:57,000 Speaker 3: pair I and on here. 1473 01:04:57,160 --> 01:05:00,680 Speaker 2: Eddie and I were doing a raging idiot show Missouri 1474 01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:04,320 Speaker 2: playing a theater. It's a wonderful night. I would sold 1475 01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:06,720 Speaker 2: a couple thousand tickets. We were touring pretty regularly at 1476 01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:08,880 Speaker 2: the time. Get up player, funny songs, whatever. And then 1477 01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:10,240 Speaker 2: we have a point of where we have like four 1478 01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:11,640 Speaker 2: other band members that come out because we do a 1479 01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:13,240 Speaker 2: lot of two man just straight comedy stuff right and 1480 01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:15,640 Speaker 2: play funny songs and go to the next funny song. 1481 01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:17,240 Speaker 2: Then we have our full band come out and we 1482 01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:18,960 Speaker 2: would do like four or five songs that we had 1483 01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:23,560 Speaker 2: written that weren't just straight like punchline funny but fun Yeah, 1484 01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:25,480 Speaker 2: like wrote them with like Christian Bush right. It's like 1485 01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:28,919 Speaker 2: sensibilities are like fun poppy. So a band comes out 1486 01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:32,919 Speaker 2: and the week before somebody called in the show and said, hey, 1487 01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:37,800 Speaker 2: we're coming to your show my mom. Because the girl 1488 01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:39,880 Speaker 2: who called in the fan was like thirty and her 1489 01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:42,640 Speaker 2: mom was like sixty. She was, my mom is coming 1490 01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:48,240 Speaker 2: and she has cancer and she wants to meet you guys. 1491 01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:51,640 Speaker 2: And I'm like, great, love to meet you. She's like, 1492 01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:53,960 Speaker 2: it's her bucket. Let's line to meet you guys. And 1493 01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:57,120 Speaker 2: so I see her and I was gonna meet her 1494 01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:58,600 Speaker 2: after the show, but actually see her the end. The 1495 01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:00,320 Speaker 2: girl goes, we're the ones you don't talk to you 1496 01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:01,720 Speaker 2: whatever I do. I thing when I'm talking to the crowd, 1497 01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:03,160 Speaker 2: she said, my mom she wanted to meet you, and 1498 01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:04,120 Speaker 2: I'm like, what do you come on? Sage to the 1499 01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:06,480 Speaker 2: mom was like yeah, she's super warm to it. And 1500 01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:07,800 Speaker 2: she comes up and she looked healthy. 1501 01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:08,840 Speaker 3: I mean she was. 1502 01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:11,120 Speaker 2: I mean she wasn't healthy because we knew she had cancer, 1503 01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:12,560 Speaker 2: but there was no reason to think if you hadn't 1504 01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:17,000 Speaker 2: known yet. And I told the story and I said, hey, 1505 01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:24,520 Speaker 2: she called finding cancer and I was just being playful 1506 01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:28,200 Speaker 2: and I said, what you want to dance? And she's like, yeah, sure, 1507 01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:30,160 Speaker 2: And so I told the band because we would do 1508 01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:32,640 Speaker 2: a few covers. Oh my god, I hate sing the story. 1509 01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:33,880 Speaker 3: Gosh, I can fill the blood. 1510 01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:38,120 Speaker 2: It embarrasses me. So again, I have a full band 1511 01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:41,840 Speaker 2: behind me and I and I said, hey, just play 1512 01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:43,800 Speaker 2: whatever the next song song is on the set list. 1513 01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:45,720 Speaker 2: It's a play, I said, play the next slow song 1514 01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:48,360 Speaker 2: on the set list, just off mine. And I remember 1515 01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:51,280 Speaker 2: one of the guys going, are you sure like telling 1516 01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:52,520 Speaker 2: me to look at the set list, and I'm like, yeah, 1517 01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:56,200 Speaker 2: just play slow dance for a little bit. And the 1518 01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:59,920 Speaker 2: music starts, and so does the song and no sun 1519 01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:03,360 Speaker 2: Shine when she's gone, get out of here, dude, and 1520 01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:05,480 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, oh my god. 1521 01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:06,080 Speaker 3: Out of here. 1522 01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:08,919 Speaker 2: It's not one what she's away and I'm like, oh 1523 01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:11,640 Speaker 2: my god, this is the worst thing that could have ever. 1524 01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:14,680 Speaker 3: The next and she picked up on it and I. 1525 01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:17,720 Speaker 2: Don't think so just smooth and I got and luckily 1526 01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:20,160 Speaker 2: if you don't do the I know, I don't know 1527 01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:22,320 Speaker 2: for eighty minutes because my band also realized this time. 1528 01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:24,480 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I didn't realize what was happening. They 1529 01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:27,280 Speaker 2: did it like two minutes and fifteen seconds everybody clapped. 1530 01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:28,320 Speaker 2: It was a great moment. I hope it was a 1531 01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:31,919 Speaker 2: great moment for her. And I couldn't stop thinking about 1532 01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:32,840 Speaker 2: the rest of the show. And I got back to 1533 01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:36,960 Speaker 2: the bus and I was like, I'm the worst. Oh, 1534 01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:40,240 Speaker 2: and I was just praying it did not exist and 1535 01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:42,800 Speaker 2: go that some woment is crying and we play ain't 1536 01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:45,720 Speaker 2: no sunshine when she's gone dancing with her like I 1537 01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:46,440 Speaker 2: put everything in my. 1538 01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:48,200 Speaker 3: Mouth, foot, knee, elbow. 1539 01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:52,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I had as soon as that first aane, 1540 01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:56,520 Speaker 2: Oh my god, wa, why that's a bad one. 1541 01:07:56,560 --> 01:08:00,800 Speaker 3: Doesn't happen. It happens that that doesn't happen. That really 1542 01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:02,360 Speaker 3: that does That doesn't need to happen again. 1543 01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:05,120 Speaker 2: Guys all me too, And I'm the idiot. Okay, I 1544 01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:07,120 Speaker 2: love you guys. Let's let's let's commit to doing this 1545 01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:08,800 Speaker 2: in January? 1546 01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:09,720 Speaker 3: Is okay? 1547 01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:11,960 Speaker 2: And then after don't cancel on a stay off. 1548 01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,640 Speaker 3: I won't be late. That's okay, do our podcast, right, 1549 01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:19,120 Speaker 3: I tried on our podcast. I'm not having a baby. 1550 01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:20,840 Speaker 3: Why don't you do our podcast in January? 1551 01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:23,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not as generous as my responses on other 1552 01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:24,800 Speaker 2: people's podcasts. I'm really great. 1553 01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:28,519 Speaker 3: Well, that's all about you. 1554 01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:30,080 Speaker 2: So in January one way or the other, let's do 1555 01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:30,400 Speaker 2: it again. 1556 01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:31,200 Speaker 3: I'm really all right. 1557 01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:33,040 Speaker 2: Uh we did all the pre stuff, told her a 1558 01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:34,880 Speaker 2: by where to follow, you guys, and you guys keep 1559 01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:37,080 Speaker 2: doing a great job. You're going to be so successful 1560 01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:39,320 Speaker 2: because you're showing up. But that's not why you're going 1561 01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:43,960 Speaker 2: to be successful. They're showing up and you're really again, 1562 01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:46,200 Speaker 2: you're compelling, and that's why you're going to be successful. 1563 01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:47,880 Speaker 2: There's a lot of compelling people who don't show up, 1564 01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:49,439 Speaker 2: and you guys have both. 1565 01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:51,120 Speaker 3: What about compelling people that show up late? 1566 01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:53,400 Speaker 2: You still showed up, no one. You were gonna get 1567 01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:56,200 Speaker 2: kicked right in the balls whole time. Yeah, so all right, 1568 01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:56,840 Speaker 2: good to see you guys. 1569 01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:01,639 Speaker 5: Thanks, Thanks Bob, thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.