WEBVTT - Episode 102: Iron Man 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:02.280 Hey all, this is Danny. I just wanted to give 0:00:02.320 --> 0:00:05.040 you a heads up on today's episode. So we're still 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:08.000 trying to record remotely with our guests, which is proving 0:00:08.039 --> 0:00:09.960 to be a bit more of a challenge than we 0:00:10.000 --> 0:00:12.200 thought it would be. Just you know, it was just 0:00:12.280 --> 0:00:14.720 difficult to have to sink up the audio would be 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:17.079 like someone could hear, then someone couldn't hear, and then 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:21.360 we moved from different you know, zoom to Google hangouts 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:23.680 to this to that, and then finally we just decided 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:25.680 to do it on our phone. It just was not 0:00:25.760 --> 0:00:27.920 sinking up. We're still trying to get access to our 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:30.960 equipment so um and also stay safe. We're trying to 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:33.120 take care of ourselves and our families and we have 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:34.960 a lot of priorities right now, but still trying to 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:38.080 check in every week and do this. So this episode 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:42.360 might sound like you're talking to your friends on the 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:45.240 phone and listening to a conversation with your friends back home, 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:47.360 because that is exactly what it is. We had to 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:50.680 call each other on the phone. Very old school, uh, 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:54.960 super charming though. Coy Jondro, who's on it, is amazing 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:58.040 as always in drops a lot of knowledge about Iron 0:00:58.040 --> 0:00:59.760 Man but I just wanted to give you a heads up. 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:03.560 We're very aware we troubleshooted a lot this weekend and 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:06.440 moving forward, hopefully we can figure it out this week. 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:19.320 But anyways, enjoy this episode on Iron Man, Stay safe. Hello, 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:24.440 and welcome to another edition of Nerd Assistant. I'm one 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:27.960 half of your host, Danny Fernandez, and sitting on a 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:34.440 different in a different area of Los Angeles than me is. Yeah, 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:37.240 we're not sitting across from each other, I r L. 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:42.039 But digitally, i'd say, I imagine myself staring you right 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:46.680 down the barrel the two eyeball aeren no. But yeah, 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:52.720 we're back. We're back together again. You through this pen, 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:56.559 damn man, and you know we're still We're still gonna 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:59.120 keep it popping because you know what, we still got 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:04.720 to give the people what you want. We uh bear 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:07.160 with us while our audio this week, we got to 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:11.080 figure out this recording situation. UM, it's kind of hard 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:17.280 to more hard, harder than you would think, UM trying 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:22.040 to get like four people online at various locations. But 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:24.720 joining us this week, we have a good friend of 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:29.760 ours who was on for multiple episodes, and that is Coyndro. 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:33.320 Thank you for joining us so excited? Uh, can we 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:35.480 speak to the irony of us doing a self quarantine 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:37.880 episode while we talked about a superhero that protects himself 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:41.560 from iron suice, Like, there's sort here the story of 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:45.960 us feeling isolated while also talking from across the cities. Yeah, no, 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:49.239 that's the thing we were, you know, keeping it real. 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:51.640 You know, this is what people need to hear. You know, 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:56.000 so people might because honestly, you know the origin it 0:02:56.160 --> 0:03:00.360 wasn't like a self quarantine, but you know, only was 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:02.880 trapped and uh and what did you do with that 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:05.800 traffed energy? He made a suit? So maybe this would 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:09.639 inspire us with listeners to make a make a COVID 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:15.480 suit and and then um, you know fight. I don't know. Well, 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:20.640 let's just get right into it. Folk. There's really a 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:23.960 short ish episode, which is fine until we figure out 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:28.720 this situation, our recording situations. Um coit. Can you start 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:33.960 the people off by just letting them know the origins 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:38.480 of Tony start like when he first appear. So one 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:41.440 of my favorite things about Tony Stark is family longer 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:44.960 event a superhero that was kind of unlikable. They set 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:47.520 out to make a character that he thought no one 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:51.600 would appreciate, so intentionally kind of stand office someone that 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:54.320 would be appreciated by the masses. And to me, that's 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:58.040 SUPs the marvel is there's this constant, undergone mentality even 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:01.920 with his own fans, like the underdog, amongst even likability. 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:05.600 So he came around of the late sixties. Um he 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:08.400 showed up first, and I think like the nineteen sixty 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:10.760 three fifty four, and then he had his own comic 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:13.000 by the late fifties. So it took four or five 0:04:13.080 --> 0:04:15.560 years from had his own run and he took off 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:18.040 in Tales of Suspense, and that's where you get like 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:21.120 the iron Man one origin raising that very bulky suit, 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:24.480 the full block, the I Am iron Man grew and 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:26.839 then by the time he started in his own title 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:29.680 that was the more Red and Yellow Suit. It evolved 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:32.919 really quickly. But he was meant to be modeled after 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:36.000 Howard Hughes, who if you guys don't know Howard Hughes, 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:39.360 Howard Hughes was a prolific inventor, but a bit of 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:41.360 a dick uh and a bit of a rec loose 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:43.680 and kind of a crazy person. Uh. If you've seen 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:47.120 that the Aviator Leonardo DiCaprio played Howard's Hughes, and you 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:49.520 may remember that he ended up living in a in 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:52.000 a small area of peeing in jars and going insane, 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:53.960 and I feel like that kind of reflects the Tony 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:56.960 Start's mentality, like Demon in a Bottle, Demon in the Bottle, 0:04:57.000 --> 0:04:59.360 one of the most iconic runs of Iron Man and 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:01.320 Demon in the Bottle. For Howard, he was really peaking 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:03.360 and bottled. There's a lot of beautiful cemetery with the 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:05.920 real life, and then Disney when they took over, kind 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:09.359 of made his dad, Howard Starks. No coincidence, Howard Howard 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:13.000 uh an amalgamation of Howard Hughes and Walt Disney. So 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:15.120 it's really cool how life kind of reflected, Arn't this 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:18.320 his character that we now have Disney owning the character 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:21.000 and mirroring it after their own creator while also mirroring 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:25.400 their original creator. And iron Man himself is very much 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:27.280 Robert Downey Jr. Who has managed to play with a 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:30.920 likable character so likably. So the story of Iron Man 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:34.120 from the sixties on is this amazing life imitating art 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:36.080 imitating life situation and now he's got one of the 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:38.000 most icon of characters that were and he was a 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:40.280 C lister up until the movies. So it's cool that 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:44.880 he's so popular. Now, yeah, I was gonna say so. 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:48.360 These were some of Lee as Stanley Scots in nineteen three. 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:51.560 He had been twined with the idea of a businessman superhero. 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:55.920 He wanted to create the quote quintessential capitalist. Uh this 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:57.839 is a quote from him. I think I gave myself 0:05:57.920 --> 0:06:00.160 a dare. It was the height of the Cold War. 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:03.360 The readers, the young readers, if there was one thing 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:06.120 they hated, it was war. It was the military. So 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:09.240 I got a hero who represented that to the hundred degree. 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:12.200 He was a weapons manufacturer. He was providing weapons for 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:15.240 the army. He was rich, he was an industrialist. I 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:17.320 thought it would be fun to take the kind of 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:20.280 character that nobody would like, none of our readers would like, 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:23.480 and shove him down their throats and make them like him. 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:26.640 And he became very popular. That's so fascinating that he 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:28.760 wanted to do something that he knew, like you said, 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:34.280 would make a character incredibly unlikable, including having Guy Fiery's 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:38.520 facial hair. Uh. Yeah. I always thought the facial hair 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:41.000 was a visual cue because when you see it, dude, 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:43.440 It's how of what's the nineties go to today? Like 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:45.160 if you see a dude like with a Nickel Bax 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:46.920 shirt and I kind of go to You're like, well, man, 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:48.320 and I'm not gonna talk to that guy. And I 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:50.600 feel like the Tony starkspacial hair is very much a 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:54.120 visual like, well that's not for me. So even down 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:55.960 to a spacial player, they've always given him this like 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:59.799 hyper aggressive, hyper masculine, hyper down your throat for sona 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:02.720 and then people have often compared him to you know, 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:07.040 billionaire philanthropist. Uh, two different versions of characters. There's some 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:10.920 Batman parallel, but to me, what's interesting is that Tony 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:14.360 Stark is just as hard on the outside as the 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:18.240 iron Man suit, whereas Bruce Wayne, the persona of Bruce Wayne, 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:21.080 is the fake persona, like Bruce Wayne is the character. 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:24.760 Batman is the reality, whereas iron Man definitely feels like 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:28.160 what Tony Stark idealizes himself has. So I feel like 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:30.160 Tony Stark and the Iron Man is much more of 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:32.320 the same thing. Where does Bruce Wayne and the Batman 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:35.320 are two very different things. I feel like Bruce Wayne 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:38.360 Batman are there's a dichopany there that doesn't exist with 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:40.720 Iron Man and Tony Stark. I think the brusque outside 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:44.560 Hardshell maintains itself when you meet Tony Stark. Very few 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:46.680 people I feel like, actually know who Tony Stark is, 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:50.720 which is a really different character choice. Well, I feel 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:55.440 like Tony Stark is very messy, like publicly messy, like 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:58.440 even though he they're both you know, billionaires, I feel 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:03.360 Tony embraces that and Bruce is more about appearances and 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:06.440 so I don't think he allows himself. He's so put together. 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:09.880 I mean, it's funny that Christian Bale played him because 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:12.320 he also was an American psycho, and that's what I 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:14.320 think of. It is just this like slick back hair, 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:17.680 super well put together. You never see him off his 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:21.720 game when he's Bruce Wayne, whereas Tony, like publicly I think, 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:24.960 is okay with being a jokester and a prankster and 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:27.520 like he's just to me, he was just like a 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:32.120 like a messier younger brother of Bruce or some things 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:35.640 if they're both billionaires, like one like a black sheet 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:39.200 and one's the leader of the family. And the fact 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:42.439 that Johnny Jr. Improvised the iron iron Man line. It's 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:45.000 so embodies the character, the fact that the more of 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:47.760 the universe forever changed because iron Man revealed himself in 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:49.800 the first movie that the interne you picked off of 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:52.120 iron Man and it ended with something, I am iron Man. 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:56.200 That's such a Tony Stark move. What's that's such a arrogance. 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:58.000 This is how it's gonna be on the side of 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:00.679 this precedent. So I love the that we live. We 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:02.600 live in a time where iron Man is so self 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:06.240 actualized because I'd argue that iron Man knows himself more 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:08.040 in the movies than he did in the comics until 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:10.320 the movies existed. I think we know who iron Man 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:12.439 is in a comic more now because of the movies 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:16.320 that you well, I think to casting somebody that had 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:21.040 a addiction issue that could speak to that probably bought it. 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:25.559 Brought a lot of heart in the character. Yeah, I 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:29.520 think someone that identifies with being rich and uncertain what 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:32.360 to do with that power is exactly why the characters 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:35.079 so real. The iron Man three, which is I think 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:38.520 still slept on, dealing with PTSD and dealing with trauma 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:41.800 and like all the mental aspects of that movie, I 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:44.040 think it's incredible that that's a superhero film, but it 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:46.600 really takes that side of things seriously and that that's 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:48.920 the strength of the character of Iron Man is he's 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:52.520 unlikable and yet he's got all that heart that's buried 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:56.520 under an iron suit. That was kind of what was 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:59.920 so kind of poetic about iron Man and the le 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:03.640 of iron Man is that, you know, iron Man becomes 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:08.400 this comeback character who liked defeats his like alcoholism and 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:11.280 kind of moves forward and has new life. And that's 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:14.200 kind of what that was for Like Robert Downey Jr. 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:16.600 In his real life, you know, he was just coming 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:19.080 off This was kind of his like the Iron Man 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:21.640 was was kind of his comeback movies after kind of 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:26.640 being not necessarily but kind of blacklisted within Hollywood because 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:29.719 he just had this, you know, addiction problem. And then 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:32.400 he kind of this new clean life that he kind 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:35.920 of gets to portray in this movie. And I think 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:39.800 it really did turn his whole career. Yeah, I was 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:43.040 gonna say. Writer Gary Conway said, Um, this was of 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:45.839 the comics. Here you have this character who on the 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:49.439 outside is invulnerable, i mean just can't be touched, but 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:52.199 inside is a wounded figure stand made it very much 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:55.120 and in your face was you know, his heart was broken, 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:58.680 you know, literally broken. But there's a metaphor going on there, 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:02.520 and that's I think what may that character interesting? Now? 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:05.120 Jerry Conway should be noted the last time I was 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:07.040 underr shirt, we talked Punisher. That is the man who 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:09.320 made Punisher. That is the man who kills Gwynn Stacy. 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:11.679 That is the man who knows all about pain and 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:14.800 heart and suffering to call some of the most suffering 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:17.520 and all the comics books. Uh so, I I love 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:19.679 that his pick on Iron Man is like, I killed 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:23.040 Gwynn Stacy, but man, that Iron Man knows pain and suffering. 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:29.240 So yeah, then Iron Man is uh is It's cool 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:31.200 that he's kind of a pseudo leader of the Avengers 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:33.760 because you've got Captain America, who's the opposite. He's kind 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:36.079 of like hard on his sleeve and Iron Man is 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:38.319 like mess on his sleeve, but he's kind of hides 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:40.640 his heart. A lot of people like the Wasp, and 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:43.200 a few people know like what what gets the Iron 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:45.520 Man and how he kicks, But he's got so many 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:48.000 like iron walls up in h in the comics and 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:50.840 the movie. Yes, so another thing I wanted to talk about. 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:53.360 I know we compared him to Bruce Wayne, who's a 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:57.280 ladies man. Uh, but iron Man is also a ladies man. 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:01.400 In fact, uh Stan Leaf said, of all the comic 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:05.120 books we published at Marvel, we got more fan mail 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:08.520 for iron Man from women than any other title. We 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:11.400 didn't get much fan mail from girls, but whenever we did, 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:14.760 the letter was usually addressed to iron Man. I find 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:23.040 that fascinating because I don't know who they think they're writing. Uh. 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:27.080 Maybe they think that he's a real person over at Marvel, 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:31.120 um Mr Stark. But that's adorable that women were writing. 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:34.120 I guess that they just wanted more of him, or 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:37.920 there's that Hue Hester persona, Like, there's that element and 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:41.080 he really doing the Hue Hester tabio and iron Man 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:44.400 like that. It's it's definitely a bit of the braggadocious 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:46.559 nature of Tony Stark. So I can definitely see that 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:50.840 being appealing to a certain demographic. Uh. So it's really 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:54.240 funny that there's it's it's it's interesting how people want 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:57.000 fictionalized characters so like represent a piece of them, And 0:12:57.080 --> 0:13:00.240 I feel like that's completely happens with Tony Stark. So 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:02.360 you you throwed up Demon in the Bottle, and I 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:05.320 think we should probably like explain that a little more 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:09.680 for uh, for the listeners, because Demon in the Bottle 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:14.000 was nine issues story arts from the Invisible Iron Man 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:19.600 that was published issues one twenty three, nineteen seventy nine. 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:23.719 Was that all about? So imagine like fresh off the 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:27.080 Comics Code Authority, they're worried about printing anything that portrays 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:30.080 too much violence or drugs us or any of these things. 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:32.839 And then you've got one of your your characters at 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:36.079 your place wielding the marble banner being an alcoholic on 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:38.319 the cover. It's one of the most it's one of 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:41.000 the most coffeed covers. It's one of the most you know, 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:43.880 imitated storylines. But a guy with all of that power 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:46.800 drunk in his suit. It's a commentary on duise. It's 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:51.040 a commentator like commentary and power responsibility like people behind 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:53.079 the wheel of a car is one thing that is 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:55.840 horrible and reflective of the time. And then imagine someone 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:58.400 with the button like on the nuke, Like, if you 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:01.560 can wield an iron suits, you're exceed the terrifying commentary 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:04.440 on power, uh, and and saying you will about this country, 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:07.360 but we definitely wield powered in very interesting ways. So 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:09.440 I liked him in the seventies and weird going through 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:12.560 some more commentary, they really looked at an industrialist who 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:16.040 made weapons not being able to handle his addiction. So 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:18.199 demon of the model was him looking at himself and 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:20.680 realizing he had a problem, realizing that he was an addict, 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:23.320 realizing that he couldn't handle his own like he didn't 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:26.240 like himself enough to handle himself well. And this country 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:28.040 has always had a weird thing with alcohol, like we 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:30.640 look at up until recently, we'd was something you go 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:32.880 to prison for life, spore like we we'd has always 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:35.520 been this thing. But since prohibition we have alcohol is 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:38.520 like this totally acceptable vice and drug. So I am 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:40.320 Man was like, nah, right, you could die, like this 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:44.360 is an aggressively bad time. So it really its shepherded that, 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:46.440 And I think that's really cool that comics looked at 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:50.520 alcohol in a way that movies glorify alcohol, books glorify alcohol. 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:52.880 Comics were like, no, no, this is just as dangerous, 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:54.160 if not more than a lot of things. You can 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:56.000 walk to the understore and get behind the wheel of 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:58.800 the car or an iron suit. Yeah, I I just 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:01.080 wanted to scrib have to cover from those who haven't 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:04.040 seen it and looking at it. I definitely saw this before, 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:07.000 so so just so people who may not exsud it. 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:08.960 And you can google this. If you look up iron Man, 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:11.360 even in the bottle, first, it will give you the 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:13.720 trade that doesn't have the cover, and it's like, what 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:15.640 are you doing the whole But then if you look 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:18.360 at it just to show you, but it's it's the 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:23.160 Iron Man cover. He's uh, he's he's sitting in a suit, 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:26.640 but under the suit is the Iron Man suit. The 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:30.720 Iron Man helmet is Everything about this cover is pretty righty. 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:33.720 The helmet is looking at him. It's it's in the 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:38.880 it's from the mirror, shows a bottle of whiskey. What 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:41.400 it's kind of poured over, looks like he drinks them 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:44.920 and he's sweating staring at his reflection in the mirror 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:48.640 of like who he is. It's it's there's so many 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:53.120 little like details just in this cover that are just 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:56.640 great and tell me story. We talked about a spacially literally. 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:58.880 Another cool thing about this cover is he's not clost 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:01.560 to like his his suit dracket, his torn he's got 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:04.240 like you know, uh, not even five o'clock shadow like 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:07.120 ten o'clock shadow, and like you, he's a he's a 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:10.080 broken ln And they reflected that film and Iron Man 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:13.760 too with that party scene. Also in Infinity War, um, 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:16.160 when he's talking to the helmet, and in an endgame 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:17.960 at the beginning when he's talking to helmet, there's a 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:20.480 lot of that. Yeah, the Hamlet metaphor, like the hamlet 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:24.880 metaphors in this company. That's so great. You're exactly right. 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:28.880 I just watched endgame again and while we're stuck in here, 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:34.400 and uh, that's exactly what I thought of. There's also, um, 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:37.280 I'll have to send this to all over our Google 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:40.120 hang out, but there's somebody recreated the cover with a 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:44.560 Lego so it's like a Lego. Angry Tony starts looking 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:48.360 at his little Lego helmet and then there's little Lego 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:54.320 wine bottles knocked over. That's amazing. But there's also a 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:57.880 Deadpool moboration of that. I was gonna say, there's also 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:04.280 milestone uh figure where it's an action figure of just 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:11.480 that scene. It's completely sold out though, good look, I'm 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:14.879 desperately seeing if there's any pricing on it. It was 0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:21.560 originally one highly doubt you're gonna find it for that much. Yeah, 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:24.240 that Deadpool and the Jerry Duggan run. Not in Confused 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:27.360 Jerry Conway. There's a cover with Deadpool and it's it's 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:29.320 the same cover. It's Tony Start looking in the mirror, 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:31.520 but a Deadpool looking back at him, drinking a like 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:35.159 a like a shake and it's like the Curly Gold. 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:39.960 But also the during the time, like seventy nine was 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:41.840 was at the model and this was when all the 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:44.480 spy stuff was really big and popular. So there's also 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:47.240 like the Tony Star James Vond commentary, there's a lot 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:49.879 of the spionage flavor and all those things. So to 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:54.639 have the character of that hyper masculine and at the time, 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:57.119 like you know, we have a country don't talk about 0:17:57.240 --> 0:18:00.760 like men's emotions nearly enough in general, but especially not 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:03.720 these hyper masculine characters. So to have someone like Tony 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:06.400 Starts to have an alcohol problemly like having James Vond 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:08.520 be like, I don't bring mar teens anymore. It was 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:10.320 a really big thing to have that kind of character. 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:12.719 Do you like John Hamm having alcohol problem? Bad man? 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:14.440 It was a really different time, so it kind of 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:16.960 changed the whole tone of comics in the eighties. Yeah, 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:21.760 this country is intense. Yeah, it's really great. Uh And 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:24.879 you know obvious for all your collectoring out there, and 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:27.080 I'm going for too much. He's not going to break 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:30.560 because all things considered, iron Man, even with all the popularity, 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:32.720 since he's had so many runs of comics, he gets 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:35.240 canceled a lot because he wants this popular as popular 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:37.200 until the movies and stuff, you can get a decent 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:39.000 runt of Iron Man. Comics were not too bad. Like 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:41.200 as far as the cost of collecting goes, he's not 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:43.920 your Spider Man, he's might your recommend Yeah, they're demon 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:48.639 in the bottle showing point five quality. Uh. And in 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:55.320 the case, right now, get out of internet. We have 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:57.680 to take a really quick break. We're gonna hop into 0:18:57.840 --> 0:19:08.880 more iron Man right after that and we are back. 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:12.199 We're still here with Coy. Uh So, Coy, you were 0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:15.119 going to talk to us about the his different suits. 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:17.800 I'm looking actually at a poster of all his man' 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:23.520 that's pretty legit. Um, he's a he's a toymaker's dream 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:26.199 before there were toys, like we're not there. Before there 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:28.480 were toys, but before they made a hundred different toys 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:30.480 now at a different times. But if you look at 0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:32.440 the suit, it's really fun because you've got all the 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:35.240 different coloring, you've all got all the different shapes and designs. 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:37.120 It's kind of like the fun of getting to draw 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:39.600 a car or a vehicle, but on a man. So 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:42.680 he's a fun thing for an artist to design. And 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:46.480 then there's the military and medieval aspect. There's the um 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:49.840 you know, aerodynamic aspect. You look at the Ultimate Iron 0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:52.280 Man suit, it looks completely different than the regular Iron 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:54.600 Man suit. You look at kind of the spinoff characters 0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:57.080 like war Machine, and you can it becomes more kank like. 0:19:57.680 --> 0:19:59.399 So the design of the character is a lot of 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:01.920 fun because depending on what you need the power set 0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:03.959 to do, you can make the suit that You've got 0:20:04.000 --> 0:20:07.119 your underwater suits, you've got your space suits, you've got extremists, 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:09.440 You've got all these things. And it's really fun because 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:11.600 the writer in the artists get to really redesign and 0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:14.040 shape the character. And as long as it looks enough 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:16.720 like Iron Man's Iron there one of these are not 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:20.240 gonna lie. Looks kind of like Captain I mean Captain Plane. 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:25.280 That does not surprise me. I like the Iron Patriots, 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:28.000 sup because he kind of took over the stars and 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:31.000 stripes flavor of Captain America as like this kind of 0:20:31.080 --> 0:20:34.399 tongue in cheek case and uh, that also became a 0:20:34.840 --> 0:20:37.880 tricky suit because it was a villain suit. Norman Osborne 0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:39.240 actually get ahold of it when he was leading the 0:20:39.240 --> 0:20:42.160 funder Bolts, so that suits became an icon of good 0:20:42.240 --> 0:20:45.560 and then immediately evil. And that's you know say about Marvel. 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:47.639 But they're never not political. This was during a very 0:20:47.680 --> 0:20:51.560 certain time in our country and it wasn't interesting runs. No, Yeah, 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:54.040 we talked about this when we've talked about some about there. 0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:55.960 I think we talked about this on your episode that 0:20:56.160 --> 0:20:59.520 Marvel and DC have covered every single war since there 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:02.359 in steps in and so I think it's really funny 0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:05.000 that whenever people are like keep politics out of it, 0:21:05.600 --> 0:21:09.680 and it's just like since you've ever been involved in comics, 0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:13.920 they have been political. He's been political. Comics weren is 0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:16.639