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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Ozone Podcast featuring Jaguars dot Com senior

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Speaker 1: writer John Osher and Jaguars executive producer Dave the Kendis.

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Speaker 1: We decided Dave and I to not talk as much

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Speaker 1: at the top of the show. We could go into

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Speaker 1: some things I'm dealing with. I'm trying to mount my

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Speaker 1: own TV. I'm dealing with that today. Nobody wants to

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Speaker 1: hear about that right now. So today I've got a

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Speaker 1: guest that I'm excited about. Somebody that I've known for years,

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Speaker 1: twenty five years actually, uh old time Jaguars fans and

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Speaker 1: they know who they are. People who followed this team

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Speaker 1: in the nineties will really really enjoy this. I'm joined

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Speaker 1: by former Jaguars defensive tackle and current radio personality John Yurkovic. John,

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Speaker 1: thanks for doing this. How are you no problem more?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing fantastic, you know, I to avoid the COVID,

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Speaker 1: just trying to observe from a bar of the cookiness

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Speaker 1: and the craziness that is happening in this world. So

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Speaker 1: now we'll get into your time and Jackson, So we'll

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Speaker 1: talk about a lot, but tell me and tell people

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Speaker 1: what you're doing now and sort of how you went

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Speaker 1: from the Jaguars to what you're doing now? What's been

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Speaker 1: your pack? All right? I left the Jaguars. I went

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Speaker 1: to the Cleveland Browns, played about twelve games, got hurt

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Speaker 1: there as a current ending injury. I tore my hamstring

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Speaker 1: around a little bit. I went over to NFL Europe

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Speaker 1: it didn't work out for Fox. They said I was

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Speaker 1: too much like Madden and Milan, Which was that being

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Speaker 1: too much like mad and Milan? Is that a bad thing?

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Speaker 1: But they said, uh, thanks, but no thanks. I did

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Speaker 1: uh with Eli Gold and Jill Arrington. I did one

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Speaker 1: year of of Arena Football League on TNN. First game

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Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay team. So I think Tim Markham was

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Speaker 1: guy that we featured that day and they called him

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Speaker 1: the time. So I did that for one year, but

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Speaker 1: I was always trying to get in the radio here

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Speaker 1: in Chicago. That I pounced on it made two thousand

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Speaker 1: one thousands in Chicago and started with the three hour

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Speaker 1: up the afternoon Salut and we're doing big numbers up

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Speaker 1: in Chicago, and it was fantastic. We're having a ball.

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Speaker 1: Then the economy went to crap, the housing bubble bursts,

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Speaker 1: fired him. He is making a lot of money, and

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Speaker 1: they said, do I fire ten people? Do I fire

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Speaker 1: there ever since, and then became Carmen York and Harry,

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Speaker 1: couple of years later they let him go. Then it's

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Speaker 1: been Carmen in Yorko. Ever since. We've worked in the afternoon.

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Speaker 1: We've worked in the nine to noon slot. Currently working

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Speaker 1: it's easy. You know, you watch everything that's happening. It's

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Speaker 1: a perfect fit. I was never surprised to hear your

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Speaker 1: He goes, Listen, you could be pretty good at this.

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Speaker 1: He goes, you gott a little You gotta gift the

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Speaker 1: But seally got tired of doing the Lection Terry Show

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Speaker 1: So I'm still friends with Alex and Terry today. So

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Speaker 1: you can't see it. You gotta feel everything right right,

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Speaker 1: So you got to know the difference between the scoop

427
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,359
Speaker 1: walk and a double team and uh, you know a

428
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,240
Speaker 1: guy trying to get away from you quick, so you

429
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 1: get the second level because they're running a suite. So

430
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 1: you gotta be able to feel all that. You gotta

431
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 1: be able to do it instantaneously almost, And when you've

432
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,880
Speaker 1: got a contact in the second contact, you know you've

433
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 1: got to be ready for that and you gotta feel it.

434
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 1: Those guys like to feel it from the three technique.

435
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 1: Nobody liked the one technique. So I was like, perfect, guys,

436
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,480
Speaker 1: you want me to play over the nose ideal, I'll

437
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 1: take every rep over the nose. You guys, do whatever

438
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 1: you wanted the three right you started on the practice squad.

439
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:24,359
Speaker 1: You do whatever they ask you. Yeah, listen. It was

440
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 1: It was simple. And Tom Coughlin called me in one

441
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 1: time and he goes, listen, hease, I'm gonna yell at you.

442
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 1: He goes, I'm gonna get on you. He goes, but

443
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 1: you can't stop being who you are. He goes, I

444
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:40,199
Speaker 1: brought you here because your attitude and in your sense

445
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 1: of lightning the mood when it's necessary. He goes, I'm

446
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 1: gonna yell at you. Don't worry about it. He goes,

447
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 1: you just take it. He goes, but you be who

448
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 1: you are. He goes, I need this here, so all

449
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,879
Speaker 1: right time, no problem. So I got along today find

450
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 1: with Tom Prisco used one of my quotes one time

451
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,639
Speaker 1: Pete did, and I told I told you and Pete

452
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 1: whenever I talked to you guys, because I'd stay afterwards

453
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 1: a little bit and I'd be chatting with you guys.

454
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: I go, if I ever say something, you're gonna use

455
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,359
Speaker 1: put my name on Cristo us something after a game

456
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 1: while I said, it always helps if you name names.

457
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 1: You know, you go into these meetings. And Tom said something,

458
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 1: and he says, guys gotta play better. Guys, gotta play better.

459
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 1: And I said, you know, somebody's some of these guys

460
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 1: think they're all doing okay, and they're absolutely fine. I said,

461
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 1: sometimes you gotta name names. You gotta tell you guys, hey,

462
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 1: I need better from you. I need better from you.

463
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 1: I need better from you. I watched film. I knew

464
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 1: what was happening and what's going on when I screwed up.

465
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 1: I knew it before it even had before it came

466
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 1: out film. I knew I screwed up. You know, I

467
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 1: knew I I screwed up a call like an undermass

468
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 1: fire zone. I didn't cross the center's nose. I was

469
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,680
Speaker 1: supposed to go to the other side to create more

470
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: of an even pass our situation. I didn't, and I

471
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 1: clogged everything up. Before it came out film, I knew

472
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 1: I screwed it up doing the game. Now you gotta

473
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 1: forget about it. In the game, you gotta move on

474
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:01,919
Speaker 1: film time. There ain't no line from the eye and

475
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 1: the sky. The eye and the sky sees everything, and

476
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 1: if you're wrong, you're wrong. Now you gotta be able

477
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 1: to process it. You gotta be able to correct it,

478
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: and you gotta be able to move on. The great

479
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,919
Speaker 1: football players can do that. Okay, they can forget about it,

480
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 1: move on. The great football players are also very talent.

481
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: I guess the stories from about ten years ago somebody

482
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,199
Speaker 1: did something with the tu on you that said you

483
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 1: might uh at that point that she sort of wanted

484
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 1: to coach. I still get the ch to coach. Yeah,

485
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 1: you know. I was taught by Blosh. I was with

486
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 1: Bloshing drawn up in Uhreen Vantage in Green Bay and

487
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: those pretty two two pretty damn good coaches, and Greg

488
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 1: taught me offense. So the first thing he brought us

489
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: in when I was there. He starts putting formations up

490
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: there and he wants to be able to speak the

491
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 1: same language with everybody. So the first thing you gotta

492
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 1: do is talk to the same language. If we're all

493
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,360
Speaker 1: not talking the same language, we're talking gibberish to each other.

494
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: And we gotta be speaking the city, you know, identical language,

495
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 1: not what some guy had at Philadelphia, not what this

496
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 1: guy had in college. Nothing. We gotta speak our language

497
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,679
Speaker 1: and what we're doing. So whatever team I went to,

498
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 1: the first thing I did was master the defense, the burbage,

499
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: and how they identify the offense. In Green Bay, split

500
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: backs was red. Uh, week backs was brown. Strong backs

501
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 1: was blue. If it was a strong eye, it was

502
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 1: a blue eye, brown eye if it was that. If

503
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: it was a regular eye formation, it was green. You know.

504
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:37,479
Speaker 1: Uh as regular personnel as kings, Queen's, Jack's jokers. So

505
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 1: those are all different personnels that we had. So from

506
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 1: that point on, when you speak the same language, that's it.

507
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 1: In Miami, it was all numbers, and there was numbers

508
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: the strong side, our linebackers. The outside guy was sixty,

509
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: inside guy was eight, you know, or vice versa. The

510
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: outside guy on the right side or one side was

511
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: even the other side was on. So if they had

512
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: like a sixty seven cross mixed, it was a linebacker

513
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: blitz to like the week side and that those had

514
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 1: to know to go to the strong side. They went

515
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: to the week side A and B and they crossed.

516
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: So he just had to speak the language. You get it.

517
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 1: Rawn really ingrained it into me and ingrained the offense.

518
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: When you see a thirty six bim oh, I've got

519
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,400
Speaker 1: to know that. When you guys come to the sideline,

520
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: we all know what we saw was the thirty six

521
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 1: bim oh back on the inside, mike backer bim That's

522
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: how you get it. And then oh is the offside guard.

523
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 1: He is pulling over. So you gotta be able to communicate.

524
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: You gotta be able to talk what kind of motions

525
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 1: were coming back and forth. So yeah, you know, I'm

526
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: fifty two, UM in theory. I still got a handful

527
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: of coaches that are out there that I know. Dougie

528
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: Peterson's out there in Philadelphia, um uh Andy's in Kansas City.

529
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 1: Sean Payton, I went to college with UM. Saw him

530
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: last year when I was at the Jaguar game. Him

531
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 1: and I took a picture on the sideline, tweeted out

532
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: to a bunch of the guys that you know, I

533
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: had played with and he had played with a lot

534
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 1: of guys had fun with that. Um, you know, other guys.

535
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 1: Less needs out in the front office. And remember Less

536
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: was in Jacksonville, so Less is out in Los Angeles.

537
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 1: I always had a great relationship. So there's guys that

538
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: are still out there and still out and about. There's

539
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: knowledge here. It's here, but I gotta work more than

540
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: twelve hours a week. Oh kid, trust me, I know that. Well. Listen,

541
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: the reason I didn't coach was I didn't want to

542
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: move everywhere. My youngest daughter is gonna be sixteen now,

543
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: she's gonna be a junior. In two years, she's gonna

544
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: be in college. It's something I always think about. You know,

545
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 1: I'm not looking to become a gazillionaire, but there's college

546
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 1: up here. And I always had an uncanny, uncanny ability

547
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 1: to kind of know what was happening on the other side.

548
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: More important than knowing what was gonna happen, it was

549
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: what was not going to happen. I could eliminate screen,

550
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: and I can eliminate draw, and I can to run

551
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 1: from the this offside guard over then I kind of

552
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: had a little bit of an advantage over the offense.

553
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: And then basically you played Buffalo. All their calls, they're

554
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: basically telling you what they're gonna do. Same thing with Tampa.

555
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: If they audible to something, you're getting it. You just

556
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: had to be able to receive the information process that

557
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: and then implemented instantaneous. But you confuse people if you

558
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: share too much information, and that's kind of the art

559
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: of it, knowing what to share and whatnot. Right, I

560
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 1: wanted to circle back. Something you said about Coughlin is interesting.

561
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: I think people probably will be surprised when they hear

562
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: that because they think of tom As as the cliche

563
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: that everybody thinks that Tom is a hard ass. But

564
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: it struck me that's some pretty that's a different side

565
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: for him to bring you in and to know that

566
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: he needs that. He wasn't just the one trade Tony

567
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: if you will, No, No, he's more complex than people

568
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: want to give him credit for. Listen, very intelligence, very intelligent.

569
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: Also could read the individual players and what they needed

570
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: and what they didn't need. You can't coach everybody in

571
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: the same way. Afflin could drive me until the cows

572
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: came home and I was fine. You know, it's how

573
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: I grew up. That's the type of coaching I had.

574
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: And we're cussed at at St. Andrew the Apostle School

575
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: by the coaches, hell called bad names. I got pinned

576
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: as a sophomore in wrestling. I come off to the

577
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: side that the two dads go to me, Hey, how

578
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: many lights are up there? Because you're flopping around like

579
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: a fish, you could count the lights up there. There

580
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: was no softness, there was no pats on the back.

581
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: It's get better, get better. It's like throwing and throwing

582
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: you into deep end of the pool. Swim or drowned.

583
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: Either way, we don't care. Okay, you're getting thrown into

584
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: the pool. Survived, so it was the thing of surviving

585
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: and then once you survive, you flourish. So you go

586
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: from surviving to flourishing. You know, that's what it's all about.

587
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: But Tom, I love playing for different Go who's your

588
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: favorite coach? Your who's your favorite coach? How? I played

589
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: for School, I played for Lindi and Fani. I played

590
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: for Mike Holmgren, I played for Coughlin, and I played

591
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: for Chris Palmer, who is our offensive coordinator with UM

592
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: with the Cleveland Browns. And I tell him, I go, listen,

593
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: it's easy when you're in the playoffs. I said, so

594
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: I go. Mike Holmgreen and Kaughlin are the same people.

595
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: They just go about their business a different way. You know.

596
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: Mike Homegren can't you would come to ast you a

597
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: great community. There was an intensity about him, but his

598
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: intensity was on the backside. Tom's intensity was forward. You

599
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: saw it right away. It was instantaneous. But the intelligence

600
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: and the complexity and the thinking man was back here

601
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: and he only brought that out every once in a while,

602
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: you know. And and in in reverse, Homegren only brought

603
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: the intensity out every once in a while, where Tom

604
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: brought out the Hey, but the arm around you understand

605
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: exactly what was going on. Same people, just a different way.

606
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: They just want to about the business, just a little

607
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: bit different way. One of the things I always remember

608
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: about you, because we have this in common. When I

609
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,719
Speaker 1: wrote the story about you, I think it was your

610
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:13,719
Speaker 1: last year. One of the first paragraphs, but I mentioned

611
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: that you were the biggest warren zvon fan in the NFL.

612
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: And I think, and again, I'm going way off topic.

613
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: Most people who are listening to this or not devon fans.

614
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: But I think the next year he came through Jacksonville

615
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: and he mentioned it. I don't know if you ever

616
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: knew that. He mentioned you on stage. Hold on, hold on,

617
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: watch this all right? So I got a frame. This

618
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: is a letter from the director of the Florida Theater

619
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: Okay Jay Eric Hart the executive directory, and it reads,

620
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: Warren zev I performed at the Florida Theater last night,

621
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: and I thought you might like to know that he

622
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: asked about you. I vaguely remember that you once you

623
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: talked about being the huge zvon fan on the old

624
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: Monday night television show and worded somehow gotten the Warren.

625
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: Back stage, he asked a lot about football questions. When

626
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: I asked if you follow the Jaguars, he said, now

627
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: you know, just this one guy I've heard about best

628
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: of all, you included John Yerkovic in the lyrics were

629
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: Wolves of London. The crowd loved it. An excitable boy

630
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: that you are, you would have been thrilled best. What

631
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: should do a lot of fans this year? Uh in

632
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: in inivitable, inniviable adult not to said not to mention

633
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: your good taste and rock music. This was November sixteenth,

634
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: nineteen nine nine. I received this letter. So here we

635
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: are twenty one years later. I put it up on

636
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: I put it up here. Actually my ex wife did, Brandy.

637
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: She put it up here in glass and I got

638
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: the letter, and uh, I always showed it to people.

639
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: It's one of my proudest possessions that I have. The

640
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: great Warren Sea Werewolves of London. Yeah, for the listener,

641
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: John is now showing me his war In Zvon tattoo

642
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: with gold in the cigarette. You don't want to see

643
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: the body. Trust me. When I said, so, this is

644
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: the second one I got. That's a little more pronounced. Yeah,

645
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: that's the one with him smoking a pipe. Okay. The

646
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: other one I got on my other arm is he's

647
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: smoking a cigarette. But this one's much bigger and much

648
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: more pronounced. So he's got the pipe with the glasses

649
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: on and right, and the guy inside. Yeah they call

650
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: him old Velvet Nose. So yeah, yeah, so yeah, I'm

651
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: a big Zevon fan. It was kind of nice. When

652
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: I got the letter. I was like, you know, why

653
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: couldn't I have been there? It was in the middle

654
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: of the season. I got hurt two weeks after that anyway,

655
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: But you know, sometimes in life you don't get to

656
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: meet your heroes. Yeah, I was sitting out probably I

657
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: don't know even the twelfth Throne, and I can remember

658
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: I had talked to you about it the year before,

659
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: included in the story, and I whenever I listened to him,

660
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: and when he passed, You're always one of the first

661
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: people I think about. And the other thing that I

662
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: always think about when it comes to you, and again

663
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: I think more people remember this, the thing I remember

664
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: about when you played, beyond anything you did in the field.

665
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: Me and Crisco were sitting in the press room in

666
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: the hallway where we used to sit right and I

667
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 1: remember you remember you walking in one day, it must

668
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: have been a Wednesday or Thursday, mid afternoon, and you

669
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,439
Speaker 1: went guys, who're not gonna believe it, some kids out

670
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: front and he's got his head stuck in the jag war. Yeah.

671
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 1: But every time I walked by the Jaguar statue, I

672
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: think to you because of that, because you've got a

673
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: bigger kick out of that than anybody. Yeah. I went

674
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: out there and looked at it, and I just wondering,

675
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: how the hell the kid did it? You know, it's

676
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: a great photo. Yeah, hey, look my look. And then

677
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: he got jammed up and I went out there and

678
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: I would take a look, and I'm like, what this

679
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: kid ain't gonna happen. This kid's not getting on of here.

680
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: You know, he wished it in a way. You took

681
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: from that with the Yeah, I used to come in there.

682
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 1: I used to come in and tried you guys all

683
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: the time, used to busting chops and hated that, but

684
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 1: you didn't care. I yeah, what are you doing in there?

685
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: What are you doing in there? I said time, if

686
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: I ever say anything, you're gonna put my name on it.

687
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: And then Briscol used it and didn't put my name

688
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: on it. And I'm like, what are you doing to me, Pete?

689
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: You try to kill me, You try to undermine me.

690
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: Now listen, it happened to me and Jacksonville too. I

691
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: ended up leaving. I went to Cleveland, but they brought

692
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: Gary Walker it. Yeah, you know, and Gary Walker they

693
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: played with Seth and Ronaldo Win when they came in

694
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,919
Speaker 1: a little bit later to Gary Walker was a better

695
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: football players. I was. That's just the way it was.

696
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: And the young kids were less expensive. So you know

697
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: the same way I got replaced in uh in Green

698
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: Bay with Santana Dotson and Gilbert moved into nose. Gilbert

699
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: was a much better nose tackle than I was. That's

700
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: just the truth. And uh, you know, that kind of

701
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: stuff happens to you. And so when I ended up

702
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: bringing Gary Walker, and I remember him at Tennessee and

703
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: I'm like a pretty good player Ary Walker, and you

704
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,240
Speaker 1: know he ended up being you know, long with Stroud

705
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: and along with Henderson. Uh, you know, they came in.

706
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: They had a nice brought of defensive tackles in there.

707
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: And another thing I'm proud of both Ronaldo and says

708
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 1: Payne listen to me, And I said, listen, I go,

709
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: you guys want to play in this league a long time.

710
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: I said, what you gotta be able to do is

711
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 1: let these coaches trust you. You gotta let them know

712
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 1: that you're not gonna make mental mistakes out there, because

713
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: mental mistakes are coach killers. If you mentally screw up

714
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: out there and you go the wrong way I go,

715
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: that will kill your football team more than if you

716
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: get your askt okay, So don't make mistakes. I think

717
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: Ronaldo played fourteen years. I know he's up in Washington

718
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: at the end. Seth played with with Jackson wal then

719
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 1: shot down to Houston. Uh finished his career there. He's

720
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: on in the radio right now, so you know, I'd

721
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: like to see it. And he was a fourth round

722
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: pick out of Cornell. Um uh Ronaldo was a first

723
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: round pick. But it was good to see guys you

724
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: talked to and guys that you kind of gave a

725
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: little bit of advice to. They followed it and for

726
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: my birthday of their rookie year, they got me golf balls.

727
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: So how nice those kids. You know, I appreciate titles.

728
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: I don't think the prov one was out yet, but

729
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 1: they got me some titles. Final question on these lines, Um,

730
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people when the name gets mentioned,

731
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: a lot of people remember the television show Yeah Go

732
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 1: with your Kay that you did with him. What did

733
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: that means to you? And how many people you think

734
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: you're reached? And the people in Jacksonville still sort of

735
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: mention that it that's still a big deal to you. Yeah,

736
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: it's you know, it was a chance to communicate with

737
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: with an audience that may not have gone to football games.

738
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: You know, they like the Jaguars, but they never were

739
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: in a position to go to the games. And for me,

740
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 1: it was always fun. You know, that was a relaxing

741
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: time for me. I didn't prepare. I never prepared for anything.

742
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 1: I don't prepare for my shows, have watched sports. Whatever

743
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: is coming at me comes at me, and then I

744
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: we talked about it, We react to it, and we

745
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: we engage in conversation. You read articles. I read articles

746
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: all the time. To me, that's not preparation for me.

747
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 1: That's just everyday life. You know. I love doing it, hey,

748
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: because it's something I wanted to do and I wanted

749
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: to develop. But it was a chance to talk to

750
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: people that weren't at games, that didn't see what was

751
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: happening and what was going on, you know, and it

752
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: was a way for me sometimes to explain. Listen, guys,

753
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: not everybody can stop and sign autographs all the time.

754
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: You're gonna get one faction of the groups. The big

755
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: guys that are gonna be able to sign one day. Uh,

756
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: the little guys, the defensive back, the receivers, they're running

757
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: backs to the linebackers. They've got to go inside tight

758
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: ends and they've got a lift. They got no choice.

759
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 1: There's not a choice for them to stop and sign

760
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: fifty seven autographs. I go, the big fat guys, the

761
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: defensive lineman and the offensive lineman have to sign today.

762
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: So we're gonna sign. And you had to run in

763
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: and they got your jersey. Were only here today. We're

764
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: from Tallahassee and where Hey, we're from Ocala horse Country.

765
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: Come on, will you signed this for us? And and

766
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 1: you know you get a chance to explain what the

767
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 1: mechanics are to an individual practice. If you didn't get

768
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: him in the morning, you can get them in the

769
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: afternoon when they were actually doubles, you know, when they're

770
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: actually two practices a day. At the one practice a

771
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,919
Speaker 1: day and the walkthrough, you know, they'll never know John,

772
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,879
Speaker 1: The kids don't know well. And it wasn't even bad.

773
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: You know. Other guys are doing triples. Back when vermil

774
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: I had the Philadelphia Eagles. Yeah, we never took the

775
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: pads off with Schula. Never. When Homegrin came in, that's

776
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: the first time at training camp for six weeks. We

777
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: started July Monday, of the first week of the NFL season.

778
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: We're out of training camp. Home made a little bit different.

779
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 1: We took the pads off after three weeks. But he said,

780
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: if you can't play with speed, the practice with speed,

781
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: because I'm putting the pads right back on. He goes,

782
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: don't hit each other, do not take each other to

783
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: the ground. He goes, I want movement and I want

784
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: a speed. I want efficiency. And that's what we gave them.

785
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: And as long as we gave it to him, we

786
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: didn't practice. We'd play the Bears in the tenth week

787
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: of the season. The twelfth week of the season, Tom

788
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: Thair in Hilgenberg boorts the tackle was Van Horn on

789
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: the right side, and I could have been John Bojahowski

790
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 1: or somebody on the left side. And I'm telling you,

791
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: I'm tired. They were beat half to hell. Talking about

792
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: how they were still hitting in practice. Dad wants that

793
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: and even with Dicka that Wanny Wanny was beating the

794
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: living eight shot of him. They didn't have a shot

795
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 1: against us, not a shot. We'd go in there. Even

796
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: if they played their best game, We're gonna find a

797
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 1: way to beat him at the end, because they were

798
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: just after hell. So sometimes you gotta be smart, and

799
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: homeg was smart about it. Life pretty good for you.

800
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: John got no complaints. I got two boys there. My

801
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 1: Niko and Jake are twenty four, and Jake's gonna turn twenty.

802
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 1: My daughter is gonna be sixteen. Here. I optioned the

803
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: old lady off the Triple A Buffalo about four and

804
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: a half years ago, gave her her walking paper. Oh yeah, life,

805
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: it's not bad. I get a lot better with her

806
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:05,919
Speaker 1: now than I did when we were married last three

807
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: four years, so it's fine. I got a good relationship

808
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,439
Speaker 1: with her. She's still the mother to the kids. It's fine.

809
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: I told her to keep the house. She didn't want it.

810
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: I kept the house. Hey, that's fine. I keep housing well.

811
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: Once the boys leaving, my daughter goes to school. It's

812
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: way too big, so I'll have to, you know, probably

813
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: move it and get myself a little bit of smaller

814
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: place with no stairs. My body's beat half the hell hurts, ankles,

815
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: knees hips, lower back, middle back, upper back, risks, elbows, shoulders, neck.

816
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: I don't get headaches, though, so I feel good about that.

817
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 1: I know from talking to people who were around this

818
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: team and who are still fans here, that for a

819
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: lot of people you were still their favorite Jaguar from

820
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: that area. You touched a lot of people down here

821
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: because of your approach, because of who you are, and

822
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: I could talk to you for ever. Go a wrap

823
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: it up for today. I can't thank you not it's

824
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: great catching up with you, and uh, I appreciate you

825
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: doing this very much. I appreciate it. Hopefully they're in a

826
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: a lot of fans and stadiums. My plan is the

827
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 1: Bears are coming down week sixteen seventeen, late in the year,

828
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: during the holidays, So my plan is to come down

829
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: to Jacksonville at the end of the year, play a

830
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: little bit of golf, maybe bumping the Davy and Furich

831
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,959
Speaker 1: and Lee Kaplan and a couple other people down there,

832
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: and go out to dinner, play a little bit of golf,

833
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: come to the game enjoying myself, and then fly out

834
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: of here. So fine, all right? Didn't the Who's Done Five?

835
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: With John Yerkovic? John your last Binns watch Banshi, I'm

836
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: watching it right now was on showtime? Ozark's also, but

837
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 1: Benshi and Ozark the last station or stong you listened

838
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: to in the car something from post Malone. Now I

839
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: probably know the answer to this because of where you live,

840
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: Jordan or Lebron Oh, Joe and easy Jordan Kobe Lebron

841
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: would be one, two three from me. You're the last

842
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: store you did around the half. I just watered the

843
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: plants outside. I've got a fig tree, I got a

844
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: bamboo tree, and they had three tomato plants. I just

845
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: watered him before I came into the house to do this.

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Speaker 1: I care about this. Are younger lipeners, Well, but you're

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Speaker 1: your top three. Devon Thok who rolling the headless Thompson gunn,

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Speaker 1: the French and hailer and desperadoes under the eaves. The

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Speaker 1: third one is my number one. It's a it's a

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Speaker 1: wonderful could be on my left. Yeah, but I love

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Speaker 1: rolling the headless Thompson gutter and the French and hailers.

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Speaker 1: Every girl I ever met two Am and the bar

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Speaker 1: and came at City, Illinois. You should look like something

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Speaker 1: death brought with it in its suitcase. The other pretty

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Speaker 1: face devastated. Yeah, it's good too, John, Thanks cheers, all right?

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Speaker 1: That was John Yerkovikien was expected as promised. That was fun.

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Speaker 1: It was easy to predict it would be fun. Anybody

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Speaker 1: who followed the Jaguars and six. Anybody who knows anything

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Speaker 1: about John knows he's a fun guy. And Dave. I'm curious,

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Speaker 1: Um I covered yurkovin, so I knew from the locker

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Speaker 1: room from being around him, what a personal guy, who was,

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Speaker 1: what a good guy was I'm wondering as a fan

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Speaker 1: of the team at that point, I'm assuming I never

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Speaker 1: thought of John is one of the major personalities of

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Speaker 1: the team. Uh, not that he was in the locker

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Speaker 1: room personality, but he wasn't Jimmy Smith. He wasn't keen,

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Speaker 1: and he wasn't marketing. He wasn't one of the core guys.

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Speaker 1: But my impressions from talking to people is that people

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Speaker 1: did identify with Yerka. Yeah, I think people loved him.

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Speaker 1: I mean his personality was kind of bigger than life,

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Speaker 1: a little bit like and also he was always on

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Speaker 1: TV or always on the radio. He used to a

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Speaker 1: segment for when the Jaguars TV shows when I was

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Speaker 1: a kid, I remember called the Acting with your co

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Speaker 1: You know the thing I remember about that John is

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Speaker 1: he went to a Krispy Kreme donut place. And you

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Speaker 1: know how the Krispy Creme donuts they have like the

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Speaker 1: conveyor belt where they make all the donuts. And he

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Speaker 1: was talking about whining to lay on the conveyor belt

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Speaker 1: and like go underneath the icing thing and be coated,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, um, I like for some reason, I always

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Speaker 1: remember that. Um. He you know, he had a great personality.

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Speaker 1: I remember going to training camp as a kid, and

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Speaker 1: I was a kid that used to like search for

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Speaker 1: autographs and stuff, and I remember when he would stop,

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Speaker 1: he was basically holding court with all the fans. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, cutting up with people and and talking to

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Speaker 1: kids and like joking around with people and stuff. Um,

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Speaker 1: maybe the one where the media perception of somebody is

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Speaker 1: different than the fans. I covered the team. I was

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Speaker 1: working for the Times Union time, so I focused on

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Speaker 1: certain stories. I covered the game. Probably Lee didn't always

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Speaker 1: listening to every radio station the way a fan would.

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Speaker 1: It's one of those players the fans new and love

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Speaker 1: as much as those close to the team. I appreciated, uh,

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Speaker 1: John Minnie play and I appreciate it now. I enjoyed that,

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Speaker 1: maybe as much Day podcast you've had so far. And

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Speaker 1: with that, we'll uh, we'll wrap this. I appreciate John

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Speaker 1: York you joined us, appreciate Joe Portnado, and Day began

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Speaker 1: to make a Meet sound better than I am. I

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Speaker 1: don't think this one stuck. I think this one was

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Speaker 1: great and not. We'll see you next week.