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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode, Season two, episode forty six
Speaker 1: with the one and only a Little Big Homie Alan Iverson,
Speaker 1: the most requested person you got. We've had everybody on
Speaker 1: this show. Everybody did, but the one person we haven't had.
Speaker 1: We went and got him for y'all. Wasn't easy, man,
Speaker 1: It's busy, Hey man. We want to welcome everybody man
Speaker 1: one of my favorite players friends, brother Allen Iverson, to
Speaker 1: the show. Man. We appreciate your time, brother Jackoe. We
Speaker 1: forgot our hand shake too, man, They've been more. My
Speaker 1: hands haven't been more. New season, Baby, I got all
Speaker 1: my new products from now I mean from Matt. I
Speaker 1: got all my new products from Matt and make sure
Speaker 1: you could get your youth products too. But we mentioned it,
Speaker 1: like we said, you know, you were the one. We
Speaker 1: always randomly asked who people want to see, And when
Speaker 1: I tell you, it's like of the comments are we
Speaker 1: want to see Ai. We want to see Ai. Man,
Speaker 1: how does that make you feel? You know, you've been
Speaker 1: removed from sports for so long, but still people still
Speaker 1: want to know all about you. It's just it's God,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You love me, You love me,
Speaker 1: um Man. Just being up here. I was just so
Speaker 1: excited to come up here because the YouTube dudes, man,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like y'all know how we
Speaker 1: feel about each other. We're talking about what I mean.
Speaker 1: And then for me to be able to to do
Speaker 1: this for y'all, for our fans, for the people that
Speaker 1: genuinely love us, it's dope. Is legendary, is monumental. That's
Speaker 1: why I said to you in the text, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, We're gonna make this legendary. We won't
Speaker 1: talk about the stuff that people want to hear mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Now they re aired your doc we aired on Showtime
Speaker 1: just recently. Um, after seeing that and being removed again,
Speaker 1: what you take from that? What do you what is
Speaker 1: your take away? What do you think about when you
Speaker 1: look back at stuff like that. I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: I got you know, a lot of mixed emotions when
Speaker 1: it comes to it, because it was so many great times,
Speaker 1: great moments. Then it was the hard ones. But it
Speaker 1: was just Medan Allen Iverson. You know who he is,
Speaker 1: me being chucked, you know what I mean, Me being
Speaker 1: the guy that would fall down, get his ass back
Speaker 1: up and fall down, get back up. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I owe it two my family most importantly, Um,
Speaker 1: y'all my homeboys, order my teammates, ordered my fans to fight,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I'm a fighter, man, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's the same fight, different round,
Speaker 1: That's it. I grew up in Newport News, Virginia. Two
Speaker 1: sports star quarterback. I mean, you know, I played a
Speaker 1: little bit of football in high school. Jack squears he
Speaker 1: played football, um for point guard a quarterbacks and then
Speaker 1: he was he was even with my teammates like he
Speaker 1: was my teammate and he act like he don't know,
Speaker 1: like he's seen some ship, you know what I mean
Speaker 1: when it comes to football, Like he's seen it, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And Matt was so cool to
Speaker 1: me because he was or handsome, pretty boy dude. But
Speaker 1: it was hard. Yea. That's like the people act like
Speaker 1: they act like they don't know, Steve what I was
Speaker 1: in football, you know what I mean. They act like
Speaker 1: they don't know, like I was way better in football
Speaker 1: that I was in basketball. That's crazy to hear though,
Speaker 1: because no one after looking back with your career, wasn't
Speaker 1: the NBA to know that you were a better football player. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like because it was you were way more raw than
Speaker 1: me in football. You were raw. It was my it
Speaker 1: was my it was my first love. I just remember,
Speaker 1: like my old lady went to another high school and
Speaker 1: you know, they used to talk crazy to her about
Speaker 1: what they were gonna do to me, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Yeah, they're gonna break my legs. They're gonna
Speaker 1: And I was like every time we played kickatan like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm murdering the people, man, Like for y'all talking crazy
Speaker 1: to my girl like that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And it was like I always took it personal. I
Speaker 1: was born in Hampton, but bought up in Newport News.
Speaker 1: All of the guys from Newport News with homeboys that
Speaker 1: I grew up with then and I went to Hampton
Speaker 1: because I couldn't stay out of trouble. And what was like, man,
Speaker 1: you come in happen like when I flunk eighth grade.
Speaker 1: I missed sixty nine days of school and and Moe
Speaker 1: was like, no, you coming to Avone. You're trying to
Speaker 1: throw it all away. And I went to Hampton. So
Speaker 1: when I played against all of the neuper News schools,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Yeah, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm the guys that I grew up with. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: beat y'all up. Man. That that just let let you
Speaker 1: know how great God is, because I'm a Hall of
Speaker 1: Famer and basketball? What was that she played on d
Speaker 1: I played safety. The cornerback is the hardest. You got
Speaker 1: to react to everything. That's tough position. Quarterback, The cornerback
Speaker 1: is just Deon said the other day, I think um
Speaker 1: Ramsey just got his yeah, and I think Dion said
Speaker 1: something about how a cornerback, you know, can't get paid
Speaker 1: like a quarterback. You know, we already know quarterback is.
Speaker 1: That's the spot, but a cornerback is just the hardest position.
Speaker 1: The cornerback is also the most dominant position for blacks
Speaker 1: in NFL. Jason, last one was the last one. Boy
Speaker 1: on this ship? Up, boy on this ship. But let's
Speaker 1: seck in and look at you be on it. Where
Speaker 1: can they get to show my socks as well? Okay,
Speaker 1: put your putting? You a little ashy, put your socks up.
Speaker 1: I don't know, should get the cameral the eyes obviously
Speaker 1: classics as nice. I'm the coach of the obviously Classic.
Speaker 1: Every year he has his own game to celebrity, celebrate
Speaker 1: all the high school top high school players in the country.
Speaker 1: How you got some shoes? He ain't got though, because
Speaker 1: I'm the coach, right, Okay, Yeah, that's what happens with that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we have we have we have them coach to man.
Speaker 1: Yeah fresh fresh been the coach can continue to be
Speaker 1: the coach. Yeah. Actually the same guy shout out to
Speaker 1: Bobby inside the job. They in the process help him
Speaker 1: me create my own game from this? Is that right? Yeah? So,
Speaker 1: but out of obser Classic we got we got postponed.
Speaker 1: This year we're supposed to shoot our show from there.
Speaker 1: We're supposed to shoot our show. This was this actually
Speaker 1: interview was supposed to be. This is supposed to be
Speaker 1: our season one rap was yeah in Philly, and this
Speaker 1: year was gonna be great. We was doing it at
Speaker 1: Kobe High School. We was doing that Lord Marran, so
Speaker 1: we was doing a great tribute and we had our
Speaker 1: first girl in the game this year, our first girl
Speaker 1: in the game. So we're still gonna do it though,
Speaker 1: but it's it's just a game to honor him and
Speaker 1: the honor to high school. Pleasant and since you announced
Speaker 1: that you're gonna have your own game, now we already
Speaker 1: know who the coach gonna be game you. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: bet that will work, Yes, sir, done deal. So back
Speaker 1: to winning to you led your teams a state championship
Speaker 1: in football and basketball one that your junior year. Um,
Speaker 1: what was your deciding factor in choosing? Because I had
Speaker 1: to say make how you I'm sorry, man, but how
Speaker 1: are you getting nice like this with because I never yeah,
Speaker 1: but I never I never saw this coming, like like
Speaker 1: play would this dude? Man? And he was always like
Speaker 1: She'll never always quiet because I wasn't getting a chance
Speaker 1: to play. So I was just in the background, high
Speaker 1: just watching everything, watch the time, go back. That's all
Speaker 1: I was doing. I used to have a hope, man,
Speaker 1: Like that's all I did. But you nice, you nice
Speaker 1: with it, nice with it, like y'all y'all different, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, And will make y'all, will make
Speaker 1: y'all so excellent. And and it's no disrespect to anybody
Speaker 1: that didn't play. There's no disrespect on them because these
Speaker 1: dudes that that no, they know their ship, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, they didn't play. But it's it's so
Speaker 1: different with y'all because y'all know all the feelings, the
Speaker 1: emotions that the locker room that you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: The media y'all, y'all know at all. But I feel
Speaker 1: like this to the people that that no the game
Speaker 1: that haven't played it, they either coaching it or working
Speaker 1: around it. Not on TV talking about it. They basically
Speaker 1: working around people around the game. Like Lawrence Frank never
Speaker 1: played basketball, but that's one of the smartest people in
Speaker 1: the game. Yeah, you know what, There's a lot of
Speaker 1: people like that. Yeah, And I think I think like
Speaker 1: I knew it, just like I know with Jason Kidd,
Speaker 1: I think Eric No should be a head coach. But
Speaker 1: I knew it with Steve Nash like I knew it
Speaker 1: because he has so much the offer to our sport.
Speaker 1: Because he's excellent. He's a great person. I never had
Speaker 1: the luxury of being around him a lot, but just
Speaker 1: hearing stories from other everybody, yes, everybody. Just a beautiful man.
Speaker 1: I want to see him succeed in the situation that
Speaker 1: he's in with those two great players, with all the
Speaker 1: other guys that they got around that team. It's a
Speaker 1: recipe for greatness. It's gonna be great for Kyrie, Steve.
Speaker 1: Steve gave me Steven Stepan Marbury gave me the most problems,
Speaker 1: gave me the most problems. I love Stefan Marber. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Steve was just headache because he could do it. He
Speaker 1: could do it all. Didn't have John Stockton moved you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, just right here, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, just know how to get it done, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Steve was just Steve was excellent man.
Speaker 1: And shout out to you, Steve man. I want to
Speaker 1: see you do great man. I want to see you
Speaker 1: be a legendary. Greg Papovitch, Larry Brown type influence and
Speaker 1: people whose lives like you know, they were to me.
Speaker 1: You know, Greg Papavitch was so great to me from
Speaker 1: a far away, always supportive. Yeah like that, just excellent.
Speaker 1: And in our league. Somehow, some way I need Larry
Speaker 1: Brown in some capacity, in some capacity, just even just
Speaker 1: just this. This is all I want to do. This
Speaker 1: is all I want to do. I just want to
Speaker 1: share in mine experiences and my my my trials, my tribulations,
Speaker 1: my ups, my downs. I just want to help, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I just want to I just
Speaker 1: want to help with my voice and my experience. I
Speaker 1: just want to help little guys and not let them
Speaker 1: make the mistakes that we that we made. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean, And it's big. Most people don't realize
Speaker 1: when you share, Like when you're in someone to be
Speaker 1: your statue and you share, You're not sharing for the
Speaker 1: poor me. You're sharing to help other people in the
Speaker 1: Simil situation, you know what I mean. But I can
Speaker 1: go through it. If Jack could go through it, if
Speaker 1: Back can go through, I can get you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I swear to God on my life kill
Speaker 1: me dead today. I wouldn't trade nothing, nothing, I won't
Speaker 1: I want to be if if I could die today
Speaker 1: and then live again tomorrow. I want to wake up
Speaker 1: being Alan Iverson all over again. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: all over again? You know what I mean? Do do
Speaker 1: I regret a whole bunch of stuff? People ask me
Speaker 1: what I change things? Yeah, because I don't have friends
Speaker 1: that I love and they weren't A driver that I
Speaker 1: had the other day he told me, stop feeling like
Speaker 1: you can put your energy or or expect them things
Speaker 1: from certain people and it will limit your disappointments. That's
Speaker 1: happened to me so many times, because the only people
Speaker 1: that hurt you, it's the motherfucker's that you care about,
Speaker 1: what that you love. You love them so much, but
Speaker 1: they don't. They don't like that you give it all
Speaker 1: but they don't give it all back. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: it's I expect I know I love harder than everybody else.
Speaker 1: I know that, and it's things that I can do
Speaker 1: financially for people that they can't do for me, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But all of the other areas
Speaker 1: you're supposed to have them covered. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: all them other areas you're supposed to had them covered.
Speaker 1: Like I can. I can. I can do stuff for you.
Speaker 1: I can give you a dollar, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But I can do all the other stuff too, but
Speaker 1: you not being able to give me capital. You're supposed
Speaker 1: to be able to contribute in other areas everything, every
Speaker 1: other area, you know what I mean. I love talking
Speaker 1: to my guys and telling them things that I've been
Speaker 1: through in my life and to show them, like even
Speaker 1: with a relationship like I've been with my old lady
Speaker 1: thirty years now, you know what I mean, married, divorced,
Speaker 1: all that. You know what I mean. But you know
Speaker 1: dan right, I lave you to one. But dudes that's
Speaker 1: married that I rock with, and I'll be telling them like,
Speaker 1: this is where I went wrong. I don't want you
Speaker 1: to go through this. I don't want you to go
Speaker 1: through this. So when I say stuff to him, like,
Speaker 1: the most hurting feeling is when a dude look at
Speaker 1: you like, oh, why you think you right because you
Speaker 1: alan averson? No, man, I'm right because I'm right, and
Speaker 1: I'm right because I love you. I'm I'm telling you
Speaker 1: what I went through. I don't want you. I don't
Speaker 1: want you to get hurt like this, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I remember going through a divorce, dog man.
Speaker 1: I remember walking around this motherfucker a hundred and fifty pounds,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Can't eat, can't sleep, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Just thinking about her, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, hearing her voice, why I'm sleep and
Speaker 1: and and thinking about was it worth this for you,
Speaker 1: having the fund or whatever to he it was when
Speaker 1: he was doing whatever, he was going to break it down,
Speaker 1: to break you down. Mean you man, the people that
Speaker 1: you love, it's all you got, man, Just on Instagram
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. I don't look at my comments,
Speaker 1: Oh I don't. I don't post stuff for likes. I
Speaker 1: post stuff for y'all to see people that really love me. People,
Speaker 1: Let me see what you're doing, Let me see you.
Speaker 1: I fit the day, you know what I mean, Let
Speaker 1: me see let me see what you're doing. And then
Speaker 1: and then and y'all say something up there, May you
Speaker 1: look cool or this that in the third. But I
Speaker 1: can never be on a certain a person page if
Speaker 1: I don't like, I don't even want to see you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I'm not gonna be on Trump page,
Speaker 1: you know what. Like, I don't rock with you, so
Speaker 1: why would I be following you or worrying about what
Speaker 1: you're doing? Though, it's a weird ship. You see the
Speaker 1: most people talking to you looking there following you, Like why,
Speaker 1: I like, if you don't like you don't like me,
Speaker 1: what's the point? Like you wake up every day looking
Speaker 1: to just go say some negative. But that's the world
Speaker 1: we're living today, and it's crazy and something fortunate. It's
Speaker 1: people that got more money than me, less than me.
Speaker 1: I'm always the elephant in the room, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like I can be in the room with
Speaker 1: somebody to work at McDonald's, somebody that's on the Fortune
Speaker 1: Fine Hunt list, and I'm gonna treat them the same way.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna treat them the same way, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like I got friends that's rich like you
Speaker 1: like you see, you know what I mean? And I
Speaker 1: got friends that funked up, But I treat them the
Speaker 1: same way. And and that's why, and that's why you
Speaker 1: get so much love, because people understand you're gonna hug
Speaker 1: the balls just like you hug the workers. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: how you've always been. And then and then you talk
Speaker 1: about the clothes and all that. People look at your
Speaker 1: page because you're a cultural icons The way I dressed
Speaker 1: right now is because of you everything, So you're a culture.
Speaker 1: So people looking at you right, people are looking at
Speaker 1: your page to follow, not just for your lifestyle, is
Speaker 1: because we love you, bro. And you gave a lot
Speaker 1: of people confidence when they didn't have confidence in they saves.
Speaker 1: You've got a lot of people know that they can
Speaker 1: beat themselves and still be successful. I tell you that
Speaker 1: ship all the time. And it ain't just us, Bro,
Speaker 1: it ain't just basketball players, That's what I'm saying. It's wrappers,
Speaker 1: it's everybody. They You gave them the confidence to beat
Speaker 1: themselves and anything they can do, all of us, Bro,
Speaker 1: And that's why people follow you. And you got to
Speaker 1: accept that. And we and you know what I'm telling
Speaker 1: you giving your flowers because you mean a lot to us.
Speaker 1: We can't lose you. We just lost Kobe. We can't
Speaker 1: lose you. We're gonna give you all the flowers in
Speaker 1: the world. Bro, right now, you feel right now, straight up?
Speaker 1: And then that's why we have to have you. What's wrong?
Speaker 1: What's wrong? What's wrong with being you? Everybody else, everybody
Speaker 1: else taken taken up? What's wrong with being you? You're
Speaker 1: disrespecting God for giving you life. If you think that
Speaker 1: your life ain't ship and you want to be somebody else?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? What's wrong with what's wrong
Speaker 1: with being you? It's cool being you. I don't give
Speaker 1: a damn you rich if you if you're rich, if
Speaker 1: you you don't. Man, I never knew when I was
Speaker 1: gonna become rich. I ain't know, but I ain't. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't force try to force my hand on God
Speaker 1: saying oh today it is fucked up. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Um, why I'm not rich yet? Why I'm
Speaker 1: not rich yet? When? When? When? I? When? I? When
Speaker 1: I played at Georgetown. It won't time for me to
Speaker 1: come out my freshman year, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like I won't. I won't ready. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: I won't ready that mother, that man, what that man
Speaker 1: did for me. I remember, And I love Philadelphia. I
Speaker 1: love the fans in Philadelphia greatest in the world. No
Speaker 1: relationship it's like my relationship with the Philadelphia fans. You
Speaker 1: probably could look at um Kobe in l a. Braun
Speaker 1: and Cleveland Mike in Chicago, but hands down, ain't no
Speaker 1: relationship like the relationship I had with the Philadelphia fans.
Speaker 1: They're the toughest fans that went over. That's why. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I had to go. I went through it. I
Speaker 1: went through it. But Coach Thompson, Man, we was playing Villanova,
Speaker 1: and dude had a sign that said Alan iverson the
Speaker 1: next MJ and had MJ crossed out and had O J.
Speaker 1: And it was three dude, I mean four dudes in
Speaker 1: the stands and they had on all orange jump shoots
Speaker 1: with chains and and and shackles and all that. And
Speaker 1: Coach Thompson was like, no, if y'all don't get them
Speaker 1: out of here, if y'all don't get them out of
Speaker 1: this gym right now, we're not playing. And they excorted
Speaker 1: them out of there and the game went on. That dude,
Speaker 1: like I remember just being at the free throw line
Speaker 1: when I when I came to Georgetown and everybody just jailbird,
Speaker 1: jail bird, jailbird. And I had to deal with all that,
Speaker 1: and he was so protective of me, man, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like even the first night that I
Speaker 1: was on campus, he came up there, they and everybody,
Speaker 1: Coach Thompson, you know, I'm doing the ship that I
Speaker 1: don't suppose it. You know, I'm smoking, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm I'm he was all in back then. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I'm smoking whatever. Coach Thompson came up there, and it
Speaker 1: was like Coach Thompson looking at you. Man. I remember
Speaker 1: just trying to get myself together when wash my face,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, the high No, but he ain't. No,
Speaker 1: he like you think he didn't know. He knew, bro, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I came on there. He was like you a little man, like, yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I was trying to get away from them so fast,
Speaker 1: like I'm cool. Coach. He told him, why are you
Speaker 1: standing so far back there? Come come here? So now
Speaker 1: you're telling me. He probably knew this little motherfucker eyes hell,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But he was he was
Speaker 1: like and he always talked about the fact that, um,
Speaker 1: I never complained about them people throwing me in jail
Speaker 1: like that, and people tried to at home. I love
Speaker 1: I love Virginie and I'll rap it to the fullest.
Speaker 1: But they tried to ruin me. They didn't want they
Speaker 1: didn't want me to be what you just described and
Speaker 1: who I am to the masses, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: They didn't want for me to go to any country
Speaker 1: in the world. Soon as I get off the plane.
Speaker 1: Everybody in the airport know who I am. They didn't
Speaker 1: want that. It was certain people that didn't want that.
Speaker 1: The the guy that locked me up, that threw me
Speaker 1: in jail, he died, and me and my baby girl
Speaker 1: sent his family flowers. You ain't do nothing but make
Speaker 1: me stronger. Straight up. That's all you did. Was made
Speaker 1: me strong. I needed you in my life. I needed you.
Speaker 1: You was you was You was monumental in my life.
Speaker 1: You was you was an intricate part of my life.
Speaker 1: You touched on my next question, what did you learn?
Speaker 1: I mean, that was obviously a highly publicized incident in
Speaker 1: the bowling athletes, like you said, nearly injured you before
Speaker 1: you really got started. What did you learn about yourself
Speaker 1: and your views on just what kind of threat they saw?
Speaker 1: You asked Matt. What I learned was I knew that
Speaker 1: I was young and immature because of being in jail.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even scared like I wasn't even I wouldn't
Speaker 1: like now, you know what I mean, if I was
Speaker 1: to go to jail right now, I would be terrified
Speaker 1: because I'm older. I'm not I'm not immature like I
Speaker 1: was back then. Back then, I was just man's what up?
Speaker 1: Back then, I would do a dumb ass. First of all,
Speaker 1: I was the worst rapper in the world, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I was doing it, but I was
Speaker 1: doing it because my homeboys. That was what they wanted
Speaker 1: to do. So the opportunity presented itself and I could
Speaker 1: help them. So that's why I did it, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like I learned from them. I didn't
Speaker 1: learn well, but I learned from them, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. But back then, Matt, I was so nonchalant,
Speaker 1: and the only thing that I was scared of is
Speaker 1: that my dream of being who Mode molded me to
Speaker 1: be as an athlete was gonna be over. Like the
Speaker 1: old head people in my life, I just never wanted
Speaker 1: to disappoint them, you know what I mean. You know
Speaker 1: I had that fear, not a Mode kicking my ass
Speaker 1: a couple he threw me through a one shield before,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, but just not being who
Speaker 1: God gave you the talent to be. You Matt Barnes,
Speaker 1: Steve Jackson, You're supposed to be what God gave you
Speaker 1: the talent to end up being, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And that was my fear. That was my fear letting,
Speaker 1: letting them down. And then the fact of like Coach
Speaker 1: Thompson used to tell me, oh, you have this motherfucker
Speaker 1: you eating three times a day. Huh. You didn't breakfast,
Speaker 1: you didn't lunch, you didn't dinner. But your mom down
Speaker 1: there and some days she don't even eat. She living
Speaker 1: down there, and that we call my homeboys used to
Speaker 1: tease me, they called it the dills affect. It straight
Speaker 1: from the sewer because in our crib we had, we
Speaker 1: had the crib and we never could be bad for
Speaker 1: it in our house because the sewer from up under
Speaker 1: the house used to the carpet. Yeah, and it's just wet,
Speaker 1: like you're walking through this motherucking crib and it's just question,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And it's stinking like a
Speaker 1: motherfucker cutting the lights on, roaches running there, you goddamn where.
Speaker 1: No water, no hot water, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: No food? Bacon Solda? What bacon Solda? And and wear
Speaker 1: fair cheese and the motherfucker. And he used to you know,
Speaker 1: that's what was his way of getting to me. Oh,
Speaker 1: you want your mama to around, that's what you're doing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: keep keep living like this right, I ain't gonna argue
Speaker 1: with you. I ain't gonna cut you out, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I ain't gonna I ain't gonna talk
Speaker 1: no ship to you. I'm just gonna tell you this
Speaker 1: is what you want for your mom and your sisters, right.
Speaker 1: And I could just snap out of us, Steve, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, and go get right back on
Speaker 1: on on my path. But I don't know. I know
Speaker 1: I went all over the place from what you asked me,
Speaker 1: But we want We spoke on two people, obviously, one
Speaker 1: being here Mo and then John Thompson. It sounds like
Speaker 1: to me from the outside looking in, with two integral
Speaker 1: figures in your life and kind of kept you from
Speaker 1: making all these left and rights and kept you going straight.
Speaker 1: Talk to us a little bit about both them. Obviously
Speaker 1: we just lost, you know, one of the greatest coaches
Speaker 1: of all time, resting peach Coach Thompson. But I know
Speaker 1: he was an intrigral in, you know, keeping you on
Speaker 1: the right path. We used to tell me about all
Speaker 1: the time. Is the ship that I was just talking
Speaker 1: to you about. He said, I ain't never complained for
Speaker 1: what they did to me. He always talked about. He
Speaker 1: admired me for what they did for me, and being
Speaker 1: there young and not complain. But my whole thing was
Speaker 1: God gave me another chance, so it won't no need
Speaker 1: to con blame because I got a chance. Like I'm
Speaker 1: recruited by everybody in the whole country and both sports, everybody,
Speaker 1: and the situation happened with me, and they almost got
Speaker 1: away with it. Thee they almost got away with it
Speaker 1: because if my mom didn't go up there and beg
Speaker 1: him to save my life, it wouldn't be no Alan
Speaker 1: Irison the coach rule icon. Did everybody know if he
Speaker 1: didn't give me a chance, he gave me a chance.
Speaker 1: Do you remember what John Thompson was known as Alonzo Patrick,
Speaker 1: the Kim bay the big man, coach, Marcus Allen. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm Marcus Allen, uh Alan, so another big man. They
Speaker 1: had another seven for the last name was Alice from
Speaker 1: my hometown. It was it was big man, and and
Speaker 1: everybody always talked about how he couldn't coach guards. But
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, when you think of Georgetown,
Speaker 1: as much as I love Pat, as much as I
Speaker 1: love Alonzo, much as I love to Kim Bay man,
Speaker 1: it's Bubba chucking, you know, to me and and and Mo.
Speaker 1: And MO was just so intricate in my life because
Speaker 1: that was the first time I saw a man married
Speaker 1: to a woman and had a kid and didn't hustle.
Speaker 1: I went to work every day, more worked at Avon, man,
Speaker 1: like a little girl, more work than Avon with my mama.
Speaker 1: That's how, that's how, that's how I met Mo. My,
Speaker 1: my mom and Moe worked together at Avon. And Mo
Speaker 1: was talking to Mommy about me, and Mommy was saying,
Speaker 1: my son the baddest motherfucker this in the third day,
Speaker 1: whoop whoop. And Mo was like, man, that little you
Speaker 1: know whatever ain't ship, you know what I mean. He
Speaker 1: was like like, man, come saam, just come check him out.
Speaker 1: Y'all football your football dude, Right all right, y'all football dude.
Speaker 1: So y'all know what hot ball is? How ball when
Speaker 1: you throw it up? All right? Well, we was playing
Speaker 1: hot ball. Mocaine our hood just rolled by, you know,
Speaker 1: just because he was a football coach, rolled by, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, to check check me out and
Speaker 1: see what was up. Everything else is legendary, you know.
Speaker 1: And told my mom like when when it told? When
Speaker 1: it told? My mom said, Yo, yes, he's the one,
Speaker 1: and then and like we we UM. We lost our
Speaker 1: first year, we lost seventy six tom Strong, and then
Speaker 1: we wanted five years in a row. I ain't never played.
Speaker 1: I played UM. I played in immediate every year five
Speaker 1: years straight. But when Moe came and got me, he
Speaker 1: came and got me and took me to Hampton and
Speaker 1: put me in the skills position. When I was in
Speaker 1: uh newper News, motherfucker's had me. I played center, Steve.
Speaker 1: I played center. I played center because they were like,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to be on the field, and they
Speaker 1: had me. They had me, you know, they was, you know,
Speaker 1: saying who can hike whatever? Whatever. I don't like anything,
Speaker 1: I do anything. Just I was number double zero, uh Steve,
Speaker 1: like man. I played UM. I played the year before that,
Speaker 1: that was Door Miller. Year before that, I played the
Speaker 1: t v P. I played wide receiver. They threw me
Speaker 1: the ball one time and bitch went straight in the air.
Speaker 1: I used to cry after a goddamn game. We lost
Speaker 1: every game. Second year I played playing for Door Miller,
Speaker 1: I'm the center, number double zero Steve. Sorry as number.
Speaker 1: I couldn't stand with mellow water. Now number five pounds,
Speaker 1: look yes, listen, I'm at six bread, I mean at
Speaker 1: the bus stop. It's raining and you know, um, everybody
Speaker 1: trying to get on the bus. You know what I
Speaker 1: mean to getting the sitt in the back where you
Speaker 1: can cut up, so you want to get on first,
Speaker 1: so you can sit in the back. Man. I'm up
Speaker 1: to motherfucker, motherfucker pushing me, man, and I failed. The
Speaker 1: motherfucking bust roll over my ankle, just sitting on my ankle.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there. Everybody banging on the um, banging on
Speaker 1: the window like miss Burry, Miss Burry, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? You you um, you're on his ankle. You're
Speaker 1: on his ankle. She like what what? You know what
Speaker 1: I mean? She finally opened the door and they're like,
Speaker 1: you on his ankle And I'm just laying there. I
Speaker 1: guess I probably was in in shot or something because
Speaker 1: goddamn busts on my ankle. I'm a little ass kid.
Speaker 1: Motherfucker roll by. I get up, Steve, get up and
Speaker 1: try to walk up on the bus. She put her
Speaker 1: hands on my chest like, uh, you gotta look, you
Speaker 1: gotta sit down, you gotta sit down. I sat down
Speaker 1: and then motherfucking pain came and I'm like, oh ship,
Speaker 1: I just passed out, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: woke up the whole fucking neighborhood because I'm the I'm
Speaker 1: the neighborhood, the star, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: and you funked up. It's all over, proud of you.
Speaker 1: I woke up, I'm on the guerney and they pushing
Speaker 1: me out. I'm just looking at everybody in the hood,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I just see everybody crying,
Speaker 1: you know whatever. You know, they put me in their
Speaker 1: joint and I just remember my grandma telling me at
Speaker 1: the hospital. I was like, no, no, I ain't gonna
Speaker 1: never be able to play no more. And she was like,
Speaker 1: don't worry about that. I was like, none in my ankle.
Speaker 1: My ankle is messed up. And she was like, son,
Speaker 1: don't worry about that. Instead of your ankle, it could
Speaker 1: have been your chest or your head. Dog. I played
Speaker 1: a month later in the championship game. A month later,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, my the doctor was like,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like how your ankle is?
Speaker 1: How is it not um shattered? It won't even broke,
Speaker 1: It won't even broke, you know what I mean, I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: it was man, what Like I believe in him. I'm
Speaker 1: not no, I'm not no dude that I you know,
Speaker 1: be up in church all the time and whatever. Like
Speaker 1: I pray, I pray. I pray for Tijuana. I mean,
Speaker 1: I pray for my kids. First, I played for Tiuana.
Speaker 1: I pray for my family and the wildest ship as
Speaker 1: I always pray for me. Last I pray for all
Speaker 1: that because I know without them, I'll be so lost.
Speaker 1: I'd be so shattered, I'll be so dismembered, I'd be
Speaker 1: so discombobulated if I didn't have the people that I
Speaker 1: love like him, like this is my my best friend.
Speaker 1: I have no problem when he tells me I'm sucking
Speaker 1: up like I'm I'm I'm the epitome of being able
Speaker 1: to take constructive criticism, Like he's not gonna say nothing
Speaker 1: to me just to be fucking with me. You're not
Speaker 1: donna just saying he saved because he loved me the
Speaker 1: way you and Matt are me. Y'all met Alan Iverson,
Speaker 1: But y'all still love Bubba Chuck. Y'all still care about
Speaker 1: Bubba Chuck. Eric snow still care about the guy funk
Speaker 1: that Alan Iverson ship. You know what I mean. I like,
Speaker 1: I think it's dope. I think it's cool. I don't
Speaker 1: want you wanted to love Alan Iverson. I wanted to
Speaker 1: love Chuck fifteen years old, Chuck, Bubba Chuck. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I don't want you to start looking
Speaker 1: at me like I'm Alan Iverson, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like when when me and you talk like me and
Speaker 1: you like I like to talk to you, I'll be
Speaker 1: my certain certain friends of mine. I'll be like, why
Speaker 1: this motherfucker calling me on FaceTime? Like dude, motherfucker's just
Speaker 1: want to look at you like what I look you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like? But then when when when
Speaker 1: when I like, when I call you, I like to
Speaker 1: do that like I don't want to see Steve, like
Speaker 1: I don't get to see Steve, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 1: And then when you call me on face sound, I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean like and and and and
Speaker 1: and it kind of it kind of makes you understand
Speaker 1: like a motherfucker love hearing your voice, but mothercker want
Speaker 1: to see you too. You know what the mo Moe
Speaker 1: said to me yesterday And I was like, man, what
Speaker 1: you turn this off or something, you know, because you're
Speaker 1: getting old. Because he said to me, it's great just
Speaker 1: hearing your voice. I'm like, what you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like what you got going on? He was like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I just just bring hearing your voice today,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And this ship was so
Speaker 1: fucking dope to me, man, because I heard you. I
Speaker 1: heard you talk about some ship when you had when
Speaker 1: y'all had Stephen a a bit, and you was like
Speaker 1: you said something. It was only something you could say. He's,
Speaker 1: you know, emotional guy like I'm not I'm Matt Barnes tough.
Speaker 1: I'm Steve Jack tough on that dance floor, off the floor. Man,
Speaker 1: I don't want no problems with man. Man, how many
Speaker 1: times we have been on FaceTime and tells time, I
Speaker 1: don't want no, I don't want I'm not out here
Speaker 1: trying to be no tough guy. Man. I'm not. I'm
Speaker 1: not tough. Man, I'm not. I don't don't approach me
Speaker 1: thinking that it's some tough ship going on with me. Man,
Speaker 1: that's basketball. When when when they talk about how tough
Speaker 1: Alan Iverson is. You know what I knows too. I
Speaker 1: know it's a lot of people think we're tough because
Speaker 1: of the stuff we were able to endure and come
Speaker 1: through in life. That they look at this like, I
Speaker 1: could never go through that? How how how are you
Speaker 1: still standing right? How? How did you make it through
Speaker 1: all that? All these people talked about you and said
Speaker 1: you was just said you was that, but you still
Speaker 1: keep going? How did you? How did you? How do
Speaker 1: you have that strength? So that's why people automatically put
Speaker 1: that that tough tag on you or that are that
Speaker 1: are that he's hard tag on you because they don't
Speaker 1: they don't understand how can somebody go through so much
Speaker 1: and still shine like a diamond? Bro. But that's just
Speaker 1: what we do. We make a lot of pressure up
Speaker 1: the pivot into the ninety six draft. That was the
Speaker 1: hell of a draft class yourself, Stepfi Marbury, kobe An,
Speaker 1: Tom Walker, Steve Nash, Jermaine O'Neil, greatest draft he was
Speaker 1: in there. So that's your introduction to that Philly fan base.
Speaker 1: You talked about it and tell us about the beginning
Speaker 1: of your career. Obviously there had been a spam where
Speaker 1: they hadn't been to the playoffs in a handful of years.
Speaker 1: Charles Barkley was gone in the early nineties. You come
Speaker 1: in nineties, come in ninety six. What was it like
Speaker 1: at the beginning trying to build your beginning of your career? So,
Speaker 1: because the same thing you spoke on Matt with the
Speaker 1: fan base being and so tough, right, and then I
Speaker 1: was coming in. I was a point guard, but I've
Speaker 1: always been a killer, so I was score not being traditional.
Speaker 1: They were hard on me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And then I came from Georgetown Villanova. Yeah, so you
Speaker 1: had those fans, I would say, kind of not giving
Speaker 1: me a chance to develop, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: They wanted it now years old. They wanted me to
Speaker 1: take a team championship, right, and it was it was
Speaker 1: hard on me. From what you just said, Steve, what
Speaker 1: I had endured in my life, it was way harder.
Speaker 1: And so it probably didn't even register and bother me
Speaker 1: like it would anybody else. That was the number one pick,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it didn't it didn't
Speaker 1: bother me, like, Man, I'm in the NBA. I just
Speaker 1: got out of jail, you know what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I'm making hears of dollars,
Speaker 1: like I'm taking care of my family. Tawanna is straight,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like my daughter is straight.
Speaker 1: So it's like, man, funk that ship. And then you
Speaker 1: know what God do, and great coaches do what Larry
Speaker 1: Brown did, and great teammates do, they help me, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, get to what we ultimately you know,
Speaker 1: end up becoming. Remember Brown said about me and you
Speaker 1: mm hmm. It's a quote I got to. I took
Speaker 1: the copy, cut it out the magazine. God put him
Speaker 1: on this earth to coach Allan ivis and to Stephen Jackson. Wow,
Speaker 1: and he the greatest? Like that was how how how
Speaker 1: is he not involved in any organization at all? And
Speaker 1: he don't want no money. He just wants his voice
Speaker 1: to be heard to help. He want the game to
Speaker 1: stay appreciated. Yeah, I am for him to for him
Speaker 1: to say, he say, he go around in life and
Speaker 1: every way yet airports, you know, wherever, yet and people
Speaker 1: walk up to him and say, you're Allen nervous in
Speaker 1: his coach, or you were allanvouss coach. And he loved
Speaker 1: that feeling. Dude, you know why that makes me feel
Speaker 1: though as much as we look up to him, I
Speaker 1: remember I remember I did something we were playing a
Speaker 1: Lando and I hit the winner, and I remember your reaction,
Speaker 1: because man, you we jumped up. We you know what
Speaker 1: I mean something we jumped up, and you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. But your reaction and and when you say
Speaker 1: you won't play, but you know the type of motherfucker
Speaker 1: you are. Your reaction for the success that we it's
Speaker 1: always been that way pure. You gotta think I'm a
Speaker 1: fan like I'm, You're some of we all look up to,
Speaker 1: and I'm pretty much I just had the best motherfucking
Speaker 1: sea in the arena right here every single night. I say,
Speaker 1: because he missed his I mean, can you imagine? I mean,
Speaker 1: you're already an icon Hall of Famer, but if social
Speaker 1: media was around back when he was playing, you mean,
Speaker 1: you gotta think that first. When you how you hopped
Speaker 1: in the league with the cross Stoker on MJ. But
Speaker 1: I was front and center for you. You making a
Speaker 1: lot of people fall down. And if you look back,
Speaker 1: like my kids were looking the other day, they're like, Dad,
Speaker 1: I didn't know you played with Alan Iver sounds like
Speaker 1: I did, and I watched them. I was, you know,
Speaker 1: but I jumped off. I jumped off the bench like
Speaker 1: a couple of times where he would just cross. But
Speaker 1: to me, it's just about seeing it was I've always
Speaker 1: been teamed, but to get you know, get a chance
Speaker 1: to just see what you went through every single day.
Speaker 1: People don't understand first of all how fucking small you are,
Speaker 1: and then to see the burst of sacks on your
Speaker 1: elbows or how beat up your hips are. Like this motherfucker,
Speaker 1: I couldn't move, and then all of a sudden at
Speaker 1: the games, he's amazing. The only motherfucker's that No for real,
Speaker 1: his motherfucker's like him that played with you know what
Speaker 1: you mean? That like Tiwana Iverson, Like good, sit up
Speaker 1: and watch me walk to the bathroom in the morning,
Speaker 1: and like, ain't no whar in hell he's playing today?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Because mother fucker Fred Sam
Speaker 1: from Nika. Just man, I get there, see the motherfucking
Speaker 1: fans man, look in them eyes. Man, what I'm playing.
Speaker 1: I don't give a funk if the ship hanging off. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm playing, you know what I mean, just for my
Speaker 1: just for my guys man, and then and then them
Speaker 1: fucking Philadelphia fans man. But just like I'm not an activist,
Speaker 1: like I'm Marvel, what you do like I'm so proud
Speaker 1: of you, Like I mean you're talking about when we
Speaker 1: face time and and and and I'm crying and ship
Speaker 1: like that, when I see you on Instagram and then
Speaker 1: when I see you, you know, on TV and and
Speaker 1: doing your thing and standing up for us and all that. Man,
Speaker 1: that's Steve. That's that's that's what he was breddy to do. Man,
Speaker 1: he is that man. Just like you. You said all
Speaker 1: the time, you didn't ask to be put in this situation.
Speaker 1: It it happened, and and and and you took the
Speaker 1: responsibility and took off with it. And I'm doing it
Speaker 1: and I'm doing it and I'm gonna be the best
Speaker 1: are doing it, and I love it and I love it.
Speaker 1: But I don't try to be Steve. I don't try
Speaker 1: to be Steve Jackson. I don't try to do that.
Speaker 1: I don't try to go out there and let me
Speaker 1: try to be better than Steve. Let me be a
Speaker 1: better activist than than Steve. Man. All of it is wrong.
Speaker 1: All that ship is wrong. We know it. You see
Speaker 1: a motherfucker, uh, somebody get murdered for no reason. It's wrong.
Speaker 1: You don't. It's just wrong. You don't racism, you can't.
Speaker 1: You can't change nobody. And I said, I won't even
Speaker 1: talk about this, but it's here. You can't just tell
Speaker 1: a person that's racist, man, that is wrong, and then
Speaker 1: that person is gonna be like, all right, well I
Speaker 1: ain't racism because you said it's wrong, because you man,
Speaker 1: God gotta do something about this. Don't work like that, man,
Speaker 1: Evil is evil and good is good. Man. They don't
Speaker 1: have a color neither because they're coming all. I never,
Speaker 1: I never, I never. I'm a hooper my whole life.
Speaker 1: I've been around everybody. I watched that. I say that
Speaker 1: all the time as a basketball players, it's kind of
Speaker 1: hard for you to be racist, bro, How can you
Speaker 1: be kind of hardest? But especially grow up in the
Speaker 1: air U circus and all the different races we come
Speaker 1: up with play. If you are, you're gonna stand out
Speaker 1: Like you think I don't love count Corver, You think
Speaker 1: I don't love Keithing Horn, You think I don't love
Speaker 1: Time to Color. Like you think those guys were just
Speaker 1: my teammates. No, man, we went through war together. Man.
Speaker 1: With the narrative though, Chuck, that's the narrative. That's why
Speaker 1: we got our own show so we can paint our
Speaker 1: own narratives. Now they can't just say Chuck hate that
Speaker 1: people are Chuck. Is this na You can't say that.
Speaker 1: You can talk to Chuck, you can interview Chock, you
Speaker 1: can ask me yourself. I've never I never, I never,
Speaker 1: I never had a it's never been a race that
Speaker 1: I had a a problem with. Man. Do you know
Speaker 1: who threw me in jail? A white man? I don't
Speaker 1: have no problem with white man. You know how many
Speaker 1: white people I love? You know how many Jews that
Speaker 1: I love? But it says a lot about you and
Speaker 1: your character, though, because you have faced racism at the
Speaker 1: highest level. But I look at it like I look
Speaker 1: at people. I look at people. I don't look at
Speaker 1: your color. I look at people. Do you know how
Speaker 1: many do how many black people? African Americans ship on me? What? What? What? So?
Speaker 1: What you're saying? I don't love Matt, I don't love Steve.
Speaker 1: What you mean? We definitely gonna be our own worst
Speaker 1: than the mantime? Yeah, I don't have no racist bones
Speaker 1: in my body. I look at people for what they are, man,
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I don't. I don't. Just
Speaker 1: like we talked about earlier, man, I don't look at
Speaker 1: you because you're not rich. I don't shame you because
Speaker 1: you're poor. I don't shame you because you work at McDonald's.
Speaker 1: I come to the goddamn window to get my fries.
Speaker 1: God damn it, I'm gonna treat you like I would
Speaker 1: treat anybody. It's good in everybody. Do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? It is this this, this goddamn this world.
Speaker 1: We're trying to figure all this this stuff out. And
Speaker 1: what I'm what I'm saying is like people need to believe. Man,
Speaker 1: believe in their faith, whatever it is. I ain't saying
Speaker 1: you gotta be a Christian and you gotta be a
Speaker 1: Muslim or whatever you are. Man, believe in the good
Speaker 1: that that come with it. Religion aside. Everybody that's stands
Speaker 1: on side of love. It's time to come together, regardless
Speaker 1: of what religion you are, regardless of what couse of
Speaker 1: color you are, if you stand on side of love,
Speaker 1: this is the most important time to stand on on
Speaker 1: the side of the next person. We're standing on side
Speaker 1: of love, to push the people who hate out. This
Speaker 1: is the most important time. All that religion, all of color,
Speaker 1: all that stuff do not matter at this point. You
Speaker 1: goddamn it don't matter at all. Look everybody, everybody's saying
Speaker 1: and it makes it makes me so mad when but
Speaker 1: I understand people be saying I can't wait for to
Speaker 1: be over, and my old thing is like I was
Speaker 1: thinking like that. I was like, man, Kobe, this damn disease,
Speaker 1: Um Coach Thompson, what else you you can help me?
Speaker 1: Um George, the police brutality, the protesting and and all
Speaker 1: of this stuff that's going on, And it's like everybody's saying,
Speaker 1: you know, we just want to go, and I'm thinking
Speaker 1: in my mind like, damn, my nephew was born four
Speaker 1: months ago, so me saying is so bad. No, I
Speaker 1: can't say that. And then it's like everybody in a
Speaker 1: hurry for one And do you know how many days
Speaker 1: there are between right now? You ain't promised tomorrow. So
Speaker 1: what you're hoping fast forward, you're trying to fast forward.
Speaker 1: What you're trying to fast forward something for? I learn more,
Speaker 1: I learn more to ship. I learned more in twenty
Speaker 1: than I've learned in the first forty one years of
Speaker 1: my life. Me too, I learned more about myself, more
Speaker 1: about other people, more about history more. But I've learned.
Speaker 1: I've educated myself more in the last couple of months,
Speaker 1: and I've educated myself my whole life. It's a pivotal year.
Speaker 1: This is I mean, this is gonna be a year
Speaker 1: that's gonna go down in history. More world, it's gonna
Speaker 1: it's gonna be gonna talk about this year in the
Speaker 1: history then that you have been having history books, but
Speaker 1: when our kids kids are in school, like, is gonna
Speaker 1: be one of those historical pivotal moments in American history. Man,
Speaker 1: for all the positive reasons you gotta you gotta figure
Speaker 1: out as bad as police brutality and racism and all
Speaker 1: that stuff, somebody getting shot in the back seven times,
Speaker 1: and is as bad as it is in your mind,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking it's gonna get better, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You're just thinking positive. You're not thinking negative. Man. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be all right, man, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Mo will always tell me when stuff happened to me
Speaker 1: in my life, and I'll be like, man, damn, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, And mosay, son this to shell pass.
Speaker 1: You're gonna get through it, man, God gonna get you
Speaker 1: through it. Man. You know what I mean. You are
Speaker 1: beautiful man. You are a great person. Man right here,
Speaker 1: You're great right there. So that's what's gonna take care
Speaker 1: of you, right there, That's what's gonna take care of you.
Speaker 1: Your heart, you know what I mean. And and I
Speaker 1: and I look at the situation with these police officers,
Speaker 1: and I the bad apples are the bad apples period,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But I, man, I feel
Speaker 1: sorry for the dudes that really protecting sir and care
Speaker 1: because they're getting painted in the same brush, because they're
Speaker 1: getting bruised just like the ones they're supposed to be getting.
Speaker 1: They gotta deal with the aftermath of the bad cop acts.
Speaker 1: They gotta deal with it. They gotta go out there
Speaker 1: when they're really trying to do their job. Now they're
Speaker 1: feeling for their life because the one dump one dump
Speaker 1: racist cops, you know. And it's really not Faul. You
Speaker 1: know it's not Faul. But at the same time, you
Speaker 1: always thought that question, well, where are you good cops
Speaker 1: when this is going on? Wow? Where are you or
Speaker 1: where are you when after it happens when we're protesting.
Speaker 1: So it's it's it's it's a fine line, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You can't you can't act when you
Speaker 1: can not give support. But then too for the you know,
Speaker 1: for the cops to do try to call out people
Speaker 1: their black balls. There was a cop in l A
Speaker 1: that was that that blew the whists on that that
Speaker 1: Compst and Sheriff Department with the two cops just got shot.
Speaker 1: But previous, maybe a month ago, he blew the whist
Speaker 1: on just all the bullshit, the racist and that was
Speaker 1: going on. Now his family is being threatened, he's being threatened, cars,
Speaker 1: fun with all this kind of stuff. So it's just
Speaker 1: like an ever evolving cycle that just continues. But you
Speaker 1: gotta think about it. If policing started as slave wranglers,
Speaker 1: that's why they started police was to catch slave So
Speaker 1: anything that's built on the foundation of that's what policing
Speaker 1: was built on. So how can you expect it to
Speaker 1: ever be That's a whole another conversation. But it's crazy.
Speaker 1: But it's like I said, it's just I agree with you,
Speaker 1: you know every day, but you know, every day we
Speaker 1: wake up it's a blessed day. Although ties been terrible,
Speaker 1: it's terrible moments, there's still been plenty of blessings within
Speaker 1: this year. You know what I mean, you got to
Speaker 1: find that silver lining. We're back. That's a big blessing.
Speaker 1: We gotta were breathe it right now. It's another blessing.
Speaker 1: We got a chance to get better tomorrow if we
Speaker 1: make it to tomorrow. But today we have more hours
Speaker 1: in today to get better. And when we got down
Speaker 1: on the couch, uck here on the did what I'm saying, Hey,
Speaker 1: come on, man, life is great. I'm taking advantage of it.
Speaker 1: I hear you that. Man, I play that song over noon,
Speaker 1: life ain't so bad, and it ain't so bad at all. Man.
Speaker 1: All moving back, so you you you probably make the
Speaker 1: playoffs in ninety nine, you beat the Magic, get swept
Speaker 1: by the Pacers two thousand, come back strong. You had
Speaker 1: to say that he hit up. That hurt me. That
Speaker 1: hurt me because I thought I thought we were on
Speaker 1: the way. Man, I know, I knew we were gonna
Speaker 1: win a championship once we got by the Pacers like
Speaker 1: they were thrown. I mean even the year we beat them,
Speaker 1: they won Game one, didn't it at our house? And
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, here we go again. Man, these dudes, Man,
Speaker 1: they had the roughest, toughest team. Man, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, they had the roughest, toughest team you win.
Speaker 1: A VP talked to us, what that was like two
Speaker 1: thousand one. You remember, I was getting ready they was
Speaker 1: getting to trade me to Detroit. I was getting ready
Speaker 1: to get traded the year before, and then we came in.
Speaker 1: We won ten in a row, and it was like, man,
Speaker 1: when you know you're the baddest dude in the world,
Speaker 1: like you ain't never get the recognition of being that,
Speaker 1: you know. I was always, you know, it was always
Speaker 1: something about why I'm not a great It was always
Speaker 1: something it's posse has hairs dressed, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It was always something other than basketball. Count them because yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like, damn, finally like they might be, you know,
Speaker 1: turning the page on. Because you know, some people say,
Speaker 1: I don't give a funk what they say about me,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I'm like, that ain't true,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like like if a dude
Speaker 1: call you a child molester or rapists, you don't care,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: I got to the point where I was like, damn,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, wow, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. M v P The best player in the
Speaker 1: whole world, you know, because I remember leading the league
Speaker 1: and stills three years in the row and not even
Speaker 1: being honorable mentioned all defensive, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And then Larry Used did it the year after me,
Speaker 1: and he was first team All defense. People just don't
Speaker 1: want you to win, just you know, thinking they're picking
Speaker 1: on you because you are you. You comfortable being you,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like and and certain people
Speaker 1: don't like that, Like it wasn't that I won't conforming
Speaker 1: and ship like that. When when when I was dressing
Speaker 1: the way I was dressing and stuff like that, I
Speaker 1: was dressing like, damn, my filing got some money, I
Speaker 1: can wear you know what I'm saying. Like the dudes
Speaker 1: from my neighborhood, they would love to wear this right here,
Speaker 1: the fresh white teas, the ten x look, the jerseys
Speaker 1: I used to go to. I used to go to
Speaker 1: Big and Tall in the in the dudes um that
Speaker 1: that I played with, Derrek Coleman and all of them.
Speaker 1: They used to get mad because they like man Chuck.
Speaker 1: Then went to the Big and Tall and bought all
Speaker 1: this and bought and bought all the ship and we
Speaker 1: ain't got nothing. They ain't got nothing in there for us.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Just Steve, just living man.
Speaker 1: Just wanted to be happy. Man. Just they don't take much,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Just man, my kids, my teammates,
Speaker 1: my fans, my friends. Whatever I like to eat, whatever
Speaker 1: I like to drink. Man, that's all I want. Man,
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I just want to be
Speaker 1: motherfucking happy. Man. God damn man, God Damn Mary J. Blige. Man,
Speaker 1: be happy man. That's it man. What's wrong with that? Man?
Speaker 1: What's wrong with that? Man? You know what I mean? Like, Man,
Speaker 1: we need you on the show. Mary joant me to
Speaker 1: cut you up as we sing in the Queen Mary Day.
Speaker 1: We need you on the show. That's right. Just just
Speaker 1: I mean, and be around, be around the people, man,
Speaker 1: that that you love. Man, that's it man, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. What's what's wrong with that? Man? What's
Speaker 1: wrong with that? Man? I don't want to go outside
Speaker 1: and feel like as soon as I go outside, somebody
Speaker 1: gonna shoot me for nothing. And you can't being life
Speaker 1: scared to live. I'm not being scared to live, man.
Speaker 1: I'm wearing my mask, I put gloves on, whatever I
Speaker 1: wash my hands. I do all of that, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. But I gotta all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I gotta walk out of here and be scared for
Speaker 1: when when when somebody coughed around me or sneeze. It's
Speaker 1: so bad that when we cough, we get scared. We
Speaker 1: used to cough a whole like forty or five years old.
Speaker 1: I used to cough all the time. I got calling,
Speaker 1: I started calling, I getta. I hear people calling. They
Speaker 1: as soon as they called, they said, disclaim I was
Speaker 1: just smoking week. And it's not It's not funny, but
Speaker 1: it's it's funny to me. I'm talking about when when
Speaker 1: you're in line, you know, I just heard somebody called them,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like yeah, Like, man, what
Speaker 1: is what is this world turned? You see everybody around
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Speaker 1: more details. So two thousand one MVP season, this is you, guys,
Speaker 1: run right here and finally get the revenge against Indiana
Speaker 1: three one in the playoffs. Memorable moment which I kind
Speaker 1: of thought was mirrored a little bit in this playoffs
Speaker 1: this year with with the run that you and Vince had.
Speaker 1: We have vins on a couple of months ago and
Speaker 1: he talked about that back and forth uh that you
Speaker 1: and you and him had during that playoff run dropping
Speaker 1: fifty and just how you of that game? Seven't miss shot?
Speaker 1: What was the most rememberable part about that series with him?
Speaker 1: Mhm him amazing? People, I think because he played too long,
Speaker 1: people forget how fucking amazing Vince? Oh my god, Yo,
Speaker 1: But look who you think was who you think had
Speaker 1: the craziest hops ever? Him? You think him right? You
Speaker 1: know what's crazy? As much as I want to agree
Speaker 1: with you, who you got Trey Egua dolla. Remember young
Speaker 1: Aggie was not Bence though I know, I know, I
Speaker 1: know it, don't it is. I don't want to be
Speaker 1: politically correct. I don't want to be. I don't want
Speaker 1: to because I could trust me that guy right there
Speaker 1: that he had the left leg now wasn't the most exciting.
Speaker 1: He took the world by story man and his style.
Speaker 1: He just changed the culture. We all know. Mike was
Speaker 1: like you know, Mike was different, like Dr j was
Speaker 1: Dr Jake. Then Mike came with the whole you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, everything else, you know, different, a little different.
Speaker 1: And then Vince took it to another level of the
Speaker 1: mike that excitement to it, but excitement to it, and
Speaker 1: then that and then his his jumble was so pretty.
Speaker 1: His handle was so crazy. First step was crazy. His
Speaker 1: first step was so crazy because if you get by
Speaker 1: you you know what, you know what's going off that's
Speaker 1: gonna happen. I just don't want people to not recognize
Speaker 1: with andre Igu Dolla was or is as far as leaping,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like I remember him, you know,
Speaker 1: he telling me, man, all you gotta do, Chuck is
Speaker 1: work on your legs. Is work on your legs. I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: I'm not lifting no weights. Like why you don't want
Speaker 1: to live weights, man, because they too damn heavy, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I don't live weights and they're
Speaker 1: too heavy, you know what I mean? But he being there,
Speaker 1: man with his trainer, and I just seen him do
Speaker 1: so many things man, like just getting off the floor, man,
Speaker 1: like get his head on the room. I remember, remember
Speaker 1: when you you were working on throwing, you just throw
Speaker 1: it here and he would come from underneath the bobbles
Speaker 1: over the team. That then you got to practice that
Speaker 1: ship at practice. Just throw it here? You where you
Speaker 1: want me to throw it? Mocking chuck, throw it off.
Speaker 1: The back side was the back of the side side
Speaker 1: of it. Come underneath that. That left leg was unreal. Man,
Speaker 1: his left leg was so crazy. But he can go
Speaker 1: off too, but his left there's a one foot. And
Speaker 1: that's the person who had a lot of people don't realize,
Speaker 1: who had a lot of game, but just always played
Speaker 1: his role wherever he was at. He was never really
Speaker 1: asked to go get it, get it, but he could
Speaker 1: if you needed to. I think he was count he
Speaker 1: was just he was a superstar. He played the superstar
Speaker 1: road when I left for a little bit up when
Speaker 1: I left. Yeah, he took the cake. You guys, run
Speaker 1: into the Lakers in the two thousand one finals, go
Speaker 1: into l A get game one and then another moment
Speaker 1: that would have been it still is infamous. But if
Speaker 1: social media was back then, when you hit the jumper
Speaker 1: on til and stepped over, I mean that still gets
Speaker 1: played daily looking back, but not almost twenty years ago.
Speaker 1: What do you think about that? I don't like it
Speaker 1: really because I love him. I'm about to say that's
Speaker 1: his boy, you know what I mean? Like do you
Speaker 1: think tu had braids? Yeah, and he was giving me.
Speaker 1: He was giving me so many problems. Man, he was
Speaker 1: he was straight dog and he was he was harassing
Speaker 1: me so much. He was playing you in practice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he was just on me so much. And what's
Speaker 1: so crazy, Matt, I don't know how it happened. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, okay, you think a monumental moment with Lebron
Speaker 1: when he did that, you know what I mean, But
Speaker 1: he probably didn't know he was getting ready to do that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like the moment and just
Speaker 1: the feeling, like when I stepped over him, it was
Speaker 1: like I ain't know I did it, and then they
Speaker 1: try to get me to mimic the ship years later,
Speaker 1: like I don't even know how to do it, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, because it was like I know,
Speaker 1: y'all know, you know what I mean. But just for
Speaker 1: everybody else that you know that didn't play, you don't
Speaker 1: know when you're gonna do something. You don't know the
Speaker 1: emotions in the game or what go on throughout the game.
Speaker 1: It can be a coach that piss you off, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, and then you react a certain way,
Speaker 1: you know, to basically telling him, yeah, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Look what I did? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like you don't, you don't know, so I don't. I don't, Man,
Speaker 1: I don't even that moment. Yeah it was. It was
Speaker 1: dope when you look back on it. But I just
Speaker 1: don't like it because like my homeboy one day, he
Speaker 1: made me so mad. We was playing. Um was he
Speaker 1: did he used to coach Boston or somebody um time
Speaker 1: m hm. Anyway, he was in the building and the
Speaker 1: pictures they had the pictures, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: in the in the arena, and my homeboy's gonna tell
Speaker 1: him to sign it. Man. I got so mad and
Speaker 1: my custom out so bad. Man, Man, I got so mad.
Speaker 1: What was it like playing against Shaq and Kobe and
Speaker 1: they're prime with them with those Laker teams? Terrible I have, Um,
Speaker 1: I think I have a championship ring on if Shaq
Speaker 1: wasn't who he was in that series and it was
Speaker 1: crazy is people were saying the Ken Bay had a
Speaker 1: great series, But I don't know how you had a
Speaker 1: great series if the guy you've gotten averaging thirty and fifteen,
Speaker 1: but Shaq had his way with damn near everybody. Then
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, especially two thousand and one
Speaker 1: and Cold. That was the first of the three p right,
Speaker 1: I was the first one of the second one, the
Speaker 1: second of the three, the second one. Remember they were
Speaker 1: undefeated in the playoffs until they came in and got
Speaker 1: game like. They were just rolling, you know what I mean, running,
Speaker 1: and then it was it was just it was just
Speaker 1: too much Shock in his prime. And then you got
Speaker 1: Kobe and his prime scary damn man, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And then all you gotta have is other
Speaker 1: guys out there, fish them dudes playing their roles. They defense.
Speaker 1: Who was Homie Hory but pretty boy Fox, pretty Rick
Speaker 1: Fox out there. And then all y'all gotta do is
Speaker 1: make wide open shots. You're getting millions of dollars to
Speaker 1: just get the shots. Them three throws. How you going
Speaker 1: to be Kobe getting on the attention, shot getting all attention.
Speaker 1: You can't double Shock, And if you don't double them,
Speaker 1: it's a barbecue chicken. You gotta double Kobe because if
Speaker 1: you don't, that's and it might be three or two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be three a lot of time, and it's
Speaker 1: gonna be three a lot of you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So it's like, then you got fish just relent his
Speaker 1: on D. You know what I mean? He playing hard
Speaker 1: at hell on D was the definitely George B. Shaw.
Speaker 1: I know Jr. Riders on that team, but he was
Speaker 1: just in street club. Yeah, Ji Joan playing but it
Speaker 1: was it was somebody else George too, Yeah, but Devin
Speaker 1: George did it, did it. It was tough to get
Speaker 1: the team you got there was. It was impressive. In
Speaker 1: a show two thousand sixteen, you get the call that
Speaker 1: you're going to the Hall of Fame. I know you cried,
Speaker 1: But what was going through your head initially, just after
Speaker 1: all the ship you had been through nearly the world,
Speaker 1: never even knowing Allen I Prison, to go into Georgetown,
Speaker 1: to becoming the number one pick there, all the accolades
Speaker 1: you accumulated across your career, to get that finally get
Speaker 1: that nod. You've spoken about it in two thousand one.
Speaker 1: I've been the baddest motherfucker. I finally got recognized. And
Speaker 1: then the all costs. When I heard the phone ring
Speaker 1: ship might sound arrogant, cocky, I knew it. I knew it.
Speaker 1: I said this, I said this it and then I
Speaker 1: just hugged her and you know, we cried and it
Speaker 1: was like I did it, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like I did it. All we want to do is
Speaker 1: make it to the biggest stage and dance. All we
Speaker 1: really want. Like people talk about, you know, my most
Speaker 1: memorable moment, it was getting drafted. But then something like
Speaker 1: that is not one layer of icing on the cake,
Speaker 1: you know, a hundred layers of icing on the cake,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And it's like yeah, yeah, Matt, yeah,
Speaker 1: Steve Man, she just says, ain't better than Ai. Man,
Speaker 1: he's better than Ai. Well, my homeboy in the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame. And then what such your sense is gonna
Speaker 1: be in the Hall of fame. I we had this conversation,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like you know, the barber
Speaker 1: shops and the beauty salons. Is like, man, you can
Speaker 1: say what you want to say about homeboy, but here
Speaker 1: hall of famers. You know what I mean, you could
Speaker 1: talk about man. Man he shot too much. Man, he
Speaker 1: he turned the ball over too much. He he wasn't
Speaker 1: a team player, all right, man, Well, ain't too many dudes.
Speaker 1: Hall of famers. Man, what do you do? What you've done?
Speaker 1: Whatever you done, and what did you do? How good
Speaker 1: of you did you make? What did you do? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You got come from your church league team? Yeah? Man,
Speaker 1: who you play for? Right now? Well? Are you talking
Speaker 1: about this Hall of Famer? Man? I get in that.
Speaker 1: I get in that realm when I'm watching games. And
Speaker 1: that's why I'll never be a commentator, because I don't
Speaker 1: I don't like, I don't like talking ship about nobody.
Speaker 1: I look at it, like, how can you say an
Speaker 1: NBA players some ship made on the highest level days,
Speaker 1: what do he would do to us? But they they
Speaker 1: they're great to you? But yeah, yeah, yeah, Like like
Speaker 1: do you know what he would do the last person
Speaker 1: on the bench with a do you know he would
Speaker 1: do in in the gym? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: On the wreck league court or you know, just a
Speaker 1: pick up game? Do you know what I to do
Speaker 1: to you? For the world? There's only four hundred in
Speaker 1: the whole entirely world, four hundred fifty four fifty and
Speaker 1: the whole telling that all the time, man. And that's
Speaker 1: I mean. And that's why me and Jack are really
Speaker 1: in this media space now because I get tired of
Speaker 1: hearing people who never accomplished nothing like you can disagree
Speaker 1: or not like someone's game, but just the form of
Speaker 1: disrespect that's not needed. Like you cannot like something, you
Speaker 1: don't have to disrespect it. And it's crazy that the
Speaker 1: amount of disrespect what comes from my fucker's who've never
Speaker 1: done nothing, not them the reason why you talk about
Speaker 1: sports because you weren't good enough to play it. They
Speaker 1: wake up in the morning moving their closed basket, but
Speaker 1: they can't throw a sock in the basket, you know.
Speaker 1: But they want to talk about somebody not making a
Speaker 1: shot of that. Listen, that's crazy. I know this. God,
Speaker 1: it's one guy that I want you to I'm looking
Speaker 1: what Camera'm gonna looking at you. I'm supposed to look
Speaker 1: at one guy. I know you know who I'm talking to.
Speaker 1: I know, I know you hate me, and trust me.
Speaker 1: Trust me. I don't hate nobody, Yes I do, I
Speaker 1: hate you. It's one guy that you know I'm talking
Speaker 1: to that they're talking about right now. I know to
Speaker 1: one guy. Know that it ain't who you think it is.
Speaker 1: I don't have I don't I love I got love
Speaker 1: of Skip. I got love a Skip. So you know,
Speaker 1: I know people think it's Skip. It's not you. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But it's a guy to do
Speaker 1: exactly what you do, and just trust me the way
Speaker 1: you hate me, motherfucker, I hate you too, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. The feeling is so mutual. And and
Speaker 1: you don't help me, and I don't hope you And
Speaker 1: I'm fine. I'm fine out here regardless of how much
Speaker 1: you talk about me. All right, all right, just know
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, and I ain't And I'm not
Speaker 1: mentioning your name because I only want the whole world
Speaker 1: to even know that God them and I give you
Speaker 1: that type of love. But you know, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: you would not know what's going on. Oh, and you
Speaker 1: and your daddy, you ain't your dad, both the both
Speaker 1: of you, both of you, both, both of you, both
Speaker 1: of you. When I come in, I want two and
Speaker 1: three to bothe for both you ain't you, ain't your
Speaker 1: daddy and and and and the world can figure it out.
Speaker 1: But I ain't saying your name. And you did Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame class um obviously resting peace star brother Koble're
Speaker 1: gonna get to him in a second. But k g
Speaker 1: uh duncan what was it like playing with those guys?
Speaker 1: I know you've had battles with all of them, Okay,
Speaker 1: Tim was one of the greatest teammates I ever had,
Speaker 1: and I played with him in Me and Tim was
Speaker 1: the only ones to go after someone's going on overseas
Speaker 1: or something, and me and Tim was the only ones
Speaker 1: that ended up going. The original team didn't go so
Speaker 1: put together the whole team. Le Bron was on the team,
Speaker 1: mellow the way, but they was, you know, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And I just remember Tim telling me
Speaker 1: because we had a hard time was getting I asked
Speaker 1: with and I had um. I remember just Tim telling me, Man,
Speaker 1: play like you play, you know, play like the past
Speaker 1: you were to us when we were you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Don't be out here trying to play another
Speaker 1: way because we're playing with a you know, a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of Olympians, you know what I mean. And I
Speaker 1: just remember him being such a great teammate. I remember
Speaker 1: m we were in our dorm, I will sleep and
Speaker 1: I woke up and I had peanut butter between my
Speaker 1: feet and all in my hands and the motherfucker tickling
Speaker 1: my taking my face. Yeah, and I slapped my face,
Speaker 1: peanut butter and ship everywhere. And I ain't gonna tell
Speaker 1: you the story that happened after that. I let that
Speaker 1: person if they want to tell that story, I let
Speaker 1: them tell it. Tim snitched on who did it? I
Speaker 1: told you and he gave it up. And trust me,
Speaker 1: something happened, something happened at that. You've asked him about
Speaker 1: it or you asked the person that that that the altercation?
Speaker 1: Huh man did it? Answer? I have the answer, yes, no,
Speaker 1: Jim said, Jim. You know you know um dudes that
Speaker 1: that know me, don't call me, Alan will call me. AI.
Speaker 1: People about Tim though, Tim is not scary, no at all.
Speaker 1: He's not a scary guy. He know do the UFC
Speaker 1: fighting all that now. Tim has always been an action junkie.
Speaker 1: He is totally obviously what people think here know, not
Speaker 1: scary atoll And you said KG official block family official
Speaker 1: block family man. My girl When me and my girl
Speaker 1: get into it, she always she don't never you know,
Speaker 1: because I say, I don't like the word real because
Speaker 1: I think it's fake, you know what I mean? But
Speaker 1: she has say why you got a tattooed on you?
Speaker 1: You know I got the realist tattooed on my back.
Speaker 1: But so authentic, man, he's so authentic. I gotta use
Speaker 1: the word real. Just real, man, just just just he
Speaker 1: just cage all the time, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And then and and he used to confuse me because
Speaker 1: he would say, what's up to you in the beginning
Speaker 1: of the game, and then after that, you fuck you?
Speaker 1: Especially at the jump ball he talked to himself he
Speaker 1: might not shake your hand, none of that, none of that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, look, I couldn't believe.
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe. I just remember one game with Keith
Speaker 1: van Horn and he was killing Keith, but he was
Speaker 1: what he was saying to yeah, like after he scored
Speaker 1: on him, what are he was saying? And I'm like, yo, man,
Speaker 1: I'm and I'm and I'm honestly I'm looking at the
Speaker 1: referees like let this go. Yeah, you can just he can.
Speaker 1: He can talk like this. He got You're right, he
Speaker 1: got away. He want a person to talk track all
Speaker 1: time and got away with it. No, because because the person,
Speaker 1: the young bull that reminds me of him is Westbrook.
Speaker 1: Because Westbrook language if when you do certain stuff it's outrageous,
Speaker 1: like when you get a one or he dunk or something.
Speaker 1: He just and I'm like when I was playing, like
Speaker 1: if I said the word motherfucker, or nigga like that. Man, what, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a short leah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And I'm like KG was just vicious, but he was
Speaker 1: so bad his mid range game. I mean he'll get
Speaker 1: a bit off the glass and push it all the
Speaker 1: way up court at seven foot, I mean, could do everything. Man,
Speaker 1: could do everything out there on the basketball court. Man,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I played against him in
Speaker 1: the Nike All American Game and he was just his
Speaker 1: energy and everything was the same way. He's a Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame, I mean for that's first ballot, right, I
Speaker 1: mean rightfully. So he was so dope, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And and you remember KG was crazy when
Speaker 1: all the fools was grazy. Yeah, she ye, I mean
Speaker 1: I mean them them All Star games with them four
Speaker 1: man during that Aaron crazy. Come on, Mann, I love
Speaker 1: you KG man right. And and and congratulations man, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: congratulations absolutely Before we get to yeah, before we get
Speaker 1: to code, you wrote a letter for the players troupe
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna read it, uh titled the Code. It
Speaker 1: was like heavyweight fighters beating the hell out of one another,
Speaker 1: and then the bell was nothing but loving respect, greatness,
Speaker 1: needed company. We needed each other. Mike needed Prince like
Speaker 1: Prince needed Mike. Tyson needed holy feel like holy Field
Speaker 1: needed Tyson. Talk to us about your relationship wait Hope,
Speaker 1: and what it was like going to war with him
Speaker 1: over all these years. I didn't have a personal relationship
Speaker 1: with him. But you know how killers respect killers. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And that's and that's what it was.
Speaker 1: He knew who I was, I know who he is.
Speaker 1: He gave me that push. I gave it to him.
Speaker 1: I love the stories that people give me that were teammates,
Speaker 1: that were friends. I love the stories. I wouldn't say
Speaker 1: it bother me, but um, I wish I could have
Speaker 1: had a better relationship with him. Um as far as
Speaker 1: how great other people said he was, I want that
Speaker 1: energy around me. He was just Yeah, he was the ultimate.
Speaker 1: He was the ultimate competitive man. Like you're lucky six
Speaker 1: eight six six. That's what he always That's what that
Speaker 1: man said. When I heard that, it made me feel
Speaker 1: so good. It because the respect that that he gave me.
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, just like Max. You know,
Speaker 1: I watched First Take, and you know I listened to
Speaker 1: Steve and Max go at it. A lot of people
Speaker 1: don't rock with Max. But I love Max because Max
Speaker 1: Max always take up and me don't. I don't like
Speaker 1: the other guy, home boy. Okay, let's get back on track.
Speaker 1: I would go all the way off, all right. But
Speaker 1: he said something like, if Kobe and somebody had a baby,
Speaker 1: you know, it would be me, you know whatever. And
Speaker 1: you know, just for people to put me in the
Speaker 1: same sentence with cod just just make me feel good
Speaker 1: about my grind, my mom, my family, my teammates, y'all,
Speaker 1: my homeboys. Just it's just it's a tribute to y'all,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. For a month sucker to
Speaker 1: put me in the same category as Kobe Bryant, Like,
Speaker 1: that's so dope to me. Is this story true? Our
Speaker 1: story that I heard that you landed in l A
Speaker 1: and Kobe picked you up he lacked range roll. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he picked you up because he wanted He just wanted
Speaker 1: to chop it up with you. And after y'all go
Speaker 1: out to eat or whatever you decided to go out,
Speaker 1: he tell your ass, I'm dropping you off to the hotel.
Speaker 1: This is my stop. I'm going to work out, I'm
Speaker 1: going to the gym. Is that true story? He took
Speaker 1: me out to eat? And I said, what you're getting
Speaker 1: ready to do? I'm going to the club, and he said,
Speaker 1: I'm going to the gym. And that was him. That
Speaker 1: was that was that, that's that's that's what made I
Speaker 1: mean that greatness. That's that's where that greatness came from
Speaker 1: because his work ethics was just. But I guarantee you
Speaker 1: it's probably a hand full of people on the other
Speaker 1: team that he was playing that he did that that
Speaker 1: he can't because you know, Kobe, he ain't talking to
Speaker 1: no to do the game, damn sure, not about another team.
Speaker 1: So I'm just saying that show respect. He hap up nobody. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was studying the whole time, was saying, oh bullshit,
Speaker 1: that's how he was. He was. He was a sick
Speaker 1: oh when it came to that kind of ship, like
Speaker 1: trying to find any kind of advantage or angle he
Speaker 1: could possibly get. Like I got stories when I got
Speaker 1: a chance to play with him, and just to see
Speaker 1: what he would do to study people, study films. We're
Speaker 1: flying to Spain one time too, in the preseason. I've
Speaker 1: told the story before, but he had I thought he
Speaker 1: was over there wrapping everyone was sleep. I went over
Speaker 1: to talk to him. I was about to talk to
Speaker 1: ship to him about rapping, but he was over there
Speaker 1: with a piece of paper, like thirty different basketball courts
Speaker 1: on and he's just like, I know that I'm gonna
Speaker 1: draw the least three people. So I got the guy
Speaker 1: guarding me, the guy that's coming to double and in
Speaker 1: the help side. So I'm over here looking to see
Speaker 1: where you l O Ron, Steve Fish are all going
Speaker 1: to be open at when I'm guarding my three people.
Speaker 1: And he had like thirty different courts of this where
Speaker 1: you're gonna be. This is where l was gonna. I'm
Speaker 1: just like, what the fuck? Like, why are we flying?
Speaker 1: Like everyone else knocked out? I couldn't sleep. But it
Speaker 1: was just like little things like that. And then I
Speaker 1: would go to Orange County and work out with him
Speaker 1: and we're on the track before the sun comes up.
Speaker 1: And then we left white so hard that all right,
Speaker 1: let's go shoot them like fun, I can't lift my arms.
Speaker 1: You want me to go shoot a basketball right now?
Speaker 1: Like his grind was sickning sickning. Yeah, that that was
Speaker 1: his thing. Man Rest in peace to coach, Rest in peace,
Speaker 1: man definitely rest in peace. Mount Rushmore. He on that
Speaker 1: round on that on that and on that Mount Rushmore
Speaker 1: up dead. That's I mean, my favorite. You know, it's
Speaker 1: always gonna be Mike, you know what I mean. Kobe,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, My my one and two,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And Lebron, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, just so so great. But with Mike and
Speaker 1: Kobe did to me mentally, you know you did everybody else,
Speaker 1: you and everybody else. Yeah, and my mind sucked all
Speaker 1: of us. I'll just tell you, Bron, you got Mike one,
Speaker 1: code to Brown three, Yeah, I got I got Brown three. Ken,
Speaker 1: Bron hop Kobe in your eyes, finishing out his career
Speaker 1: in any kind of aspect. No, I'm not as great
Speaker 1: as he is. I'm just not gonna do it, just
Speaker 1: because when Lebron was talking about me, you know, saying
Speaker 1: like he wanted to be me, he didn't want to
Speaker 1: be Mike. And it ain't no it's no because you
Speaker 1: know how much he loved Mike, So it ain't it
Speaker 1: ain't no disrespect, you know what I mean. It's just
Speaker 1: I just I just love Mike so much, and Kobe
Speaker 1: is the closest thing to me, to Mike and me,
Speaker 1: and then Lebron is just Brons down Lebron James like
Speaker 1: he's in a class by himself, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And then you know shot and I just yeah, I
Speaker 1: know how I feel about Steph Kerry, but that motherfucker
Speaker 1: Dame Dollar, he feels step for the same way about
Speaker 1: you though, I tell you that you had him on
Speaker 1: the show about you away now it's dope. It was
Speaker 1: definitely to see his reaction to see who step is today,
Speaker 1: but then to see how it almost he went back
Speaker 1: to a child when he said, you know when you
Speaker 1: put him in in your your top five starting five,
Speaker 1: like he said, he should have seen the league. You
Speaker 1: should have seen his face, bro, he what you mean
Speaker 1: you think I don't want this? This is my ship too. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't watch it all. Every single
Speaker 1: one ain't gonna continue to do it because it's the best.
Speaker 1: You don't get no relig this. So you're credited obviously
Speaker 1: as you should be, as someone who bridges the gap
Speaker 1: between culture and sports. From like what we touched on earlier,
Speaker 1: way you dressed your tattoos, your braids, your do rags.
Speaker 1: What do you think about from what? And and really
Speaker 1: because I think they started the NBA dress code because
Speaker 1: you're right. What what do you think about from where
Speaker 1: it was into what it is now? About fashion? I
Speaker 1: love it, you love I love it, And I don't
Speaker 1: tell nobody how to dress. Man, leave people alone and
Speaker 1: let people dress and be who they are spressed themselves.
Speaker 1: People be like what and be comfortable? Be comfortable. You're
Speaker 1: gonna tell me what to wear to go play basketball? Right?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like? How are you gonna
Speaker 1: tell me what to wear to go to work? You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? When when you know I can,
Speaker 1: I can understand if you're a lawyer something like that.
Speaker 1: You ain't come to court with a sweats don't you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? I understand that. But man, I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm coming to play basketball. I'm coming to be comfortable.
Speaker 1: I'm coming to get ready, and I want to be cool.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I want to be cool
Speaker 1: for the people to see me. I want to be cool.
Speaker 1: You know, when I leave a crib and my girl
Speaker 1: think I'm cool. I want to be cool from when
Speaker 1: my teammates see me and see me looking cool. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Let me be fresh man. Don't
Speaker 1: have me looking like everybody else? Look right? You know
Speaker 1: what I mean, don't have me looking like everybody else. Look.
Speaker 1: Me and the Kim Bay don't dress it like. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It's still shopping with ard. We
Speaker 1: just talking about the Walkers talk, don't We don't. We
Speaker 1: don't dress it like. But but but me and the
Speaker 1: Kim Bay play the same. Shopped at something the same,
Speaker 1: everybody shopped the carry got the Walkers. Yeah, we all
Speaker 1: had walker Yeah. Yes, sir, yes, sir, yes sir. Me
Speaker 1: and the kim Bay we play the same, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Me and Aaron McKee, we don't dress
Speaker 1: I like me and Eric Snow don't dress it like,
Speaker 1: but we play the same. Ship. We played hard, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But we don't supposed to this
Speaker 1: ain't that ain't the all thing ship Aaron McKee don't today.
Speaker 1: You don't dress like a I. You don't dress like Ananboson.
Speaker 1: He dressed like Aaron McKay. What shout out. You also
Speaker 1: made it fashionable on the court. Um most people don't know,
Speaker 1: like the sleeve that you wore to help you're you're
Speaker 1: protecting them elbows. But then that became a fashion statement.
Speaker 1: I mean, although headbands were worn before you, you made
Speaker 1: the headband dope again the Cliff Robinson Rest in peace,
Speaker 1: Uncle Cliff. The headbands are trends. You've done. You signed
Speaker 1: a lifelong deal with Reebok um, So that's dope continuing
Speaker 1: to drop shoes. What what has that relationship been like?
Speaker 1: And how important has the Reebok family been to you
Speaker 1: over your career? I love them so much because even
Speaker 1: with new um ownership, they maintained the same relationship with me,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. They understand that I'm reboked.
Speaker 1: And when you think about Rebok, that's all you think
Speaker 1: about is Alan Ives. I don't care how many people,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I don't care how many
Speaker 1: people come and joined the company or whatever. Man, I
Speaker 1: already know that I'm rebuked, and the relationship has basically
Speaker 1: maintained even with my retirement. And that's what I think
Speaker 1: is so awesome. I think that's so dope. The guys
Speaker 1: that I work with, Alan Brown, beautiful guy. We came.
Speaker 1: I know, we've been business spart this for years, but
Speaker 1: we're homeboys now. And that's cool, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like we're homeboys, like I call him. We talked about
Speaker 1: other things beside business um, but yeah, matt Man. I
Speaker 1: love rebok. They always stuck by me. I love money,
Speaker 1: so they make me love him bore. Yeah, and uh,
Speaker 1: we didn't put this on here, but we have a
Speaker 1: begging segment that we're gonna get started up one episode two,
Speaker 1: season two and read about give y'all watching, because I
Speaker 1: know y'all watching. It's a lot of flavors questions that's
Speaker 1: out there. I need all of them, every last every
Speaker 1: last one of them. Okay, Mo just left so I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I couldn't get it to him in time. But reboke,
Speaker 1: I know y'all watching, all right. He took a picture
Speaker 1: recently on this page where he's somewhere in the rebox
Speaker 1: store and they got all these different colors questions. Okay,
Speaker 1: we need those right here, baby those Yeah. We're both
Speaker 1: fourteen too, So you heard it from the one closing out. Um,
Speaker 1: Like I said, obviously, you bridge the gap between culture music. Obviously,
Speaker 1: what was it like when you just still up to
Speaker 1: this day hear your name dropped in songs over and
Speaker 1: and who was the favorite name dropped? That was the
Speaker 1: coldest commercial ever? To me? You answered it? That was it? Well? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you answered you answered it? Um, No, him, but like
Speaker 1: he's he's in my top five favorite rappers that that
Speaker 1: that meant a whole lot to mew that come about.
Speaker 1: We need to recreate that five. They just they just
Speaker 1: um they wanted to do. They wanted to do what
Speaker 1: we wanted to do. What they wanted to do, something
Speaker 1: different than they were always open, we walk always open
Speaker 1: to letting me be me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: They don't try to, you know, market me or promote
Speaker 1: me as no one other than who I am. And
Speaker 1: that's why the relationship is, you know, outstanding the way
Speaker 1: it is. Red Man, mm hmmmmm red Man, red Man?
Speaker 1: Is he he's in my top five? To give me
Speaker 1: your top five? Like the rapper White Iris, I like, Um,
Speaker 1: I like that song shout out post what what what? What? What?
Speaker 1: Bothers me? When I do my top five? Is I
Speaker 1: leave out somebody? I leave out? I leave out great.
Speaker 1: What I would say without naming a top five is
Speaker 1: the rap game is just basically like the NBA when
Speaker 1: lebron Lee, you know what I mean, it's in good hands.
Speaker 1: Just so much talent coming through. I mean, little baby
Speaker 1: just came out of nowhere and we all like yo,
Speaker 1: and he started in his music. Guy, he started to
Speaker 1: put substance in his music too. That's why he really
Speaker 1: took off. You know what I mean. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It's dudes, it's I mean, it'sn't man. The
Speaker 1: world is in good hands, man, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get through this evil ship is going to
Speaker 1: carry us off. Yeah, we're gonna be like I always
Speaker 1: talked about. I told my sister yesterday, my nephew gonna
Speaker 1: be great, and he's gonna be awesome, but he gonna
Speaker 1: have an awesome as motherfucker uncle. That's old and ship.
Speaker 1: You know, my daughters and my son gonna have kids,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna have a most awesome granddaddy that they
Speaker 1: love being around, you know what I mean, Just love
Speaker 1: being around their granddaddy, Like I used to love being
Speaker 1: around my granddaddy, and like I used to love being
Speaker 1: around my grandma. I'm going to fun granddaddy. When when
Speaker 1: they can go funk with their homeboys, their homes they
Speaker 1: want to go funk with the cool ass granddad. Like
Speaker 1: your granddad ain't cool like this right here. You ain't
Speaker 1: know Steve Jackson type motherfucker. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: You ain't know Matt Bonds type. Motherfucker you understand, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like your granddaddy ain't cool like this,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like at coach funeral, his
Speaker 1: daughter said, they asked him like I mean, I asked
Speaker 1: her in class, like the type of stuff do you
Speaker 1: hear at home? And she was like, I can't tell
Speaker 1: you that. You know what I mean? Yes, you can,
Speaker 1: all right, motherfucker jackass, and on and on and on
Speaker 1: and on, because that's who he was, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. That's that's just how we talk. Ain't no
Speaker 1: malice intended, That's just us. We just we just we
Speaker 1: just asked. We love life, man, And we talked to
Speaker 1: Win and we talked. Now we're getting the meeting, damn it.
Speaker 1: We can't get in them and that motherfucker and talk
Speaker 1: like we're supposed to talk. But when it's rent, when
Speaker 1: it's just us and we're letting our hat down, let
Speaker 1: it go, man. We're talking man. We talked, what are
Speaker 1: your thoughts on the NBA and the bubble. I didn't
Speaker 1: think I would like it. I love it. I love it, right,
Speaker 1: I ain't even think I would like it. I love it.
Speaker 1: I love it. It's the NBA. I'm damn show saying
Speaker 1: what I want to see. I'm seeing what I want
Speaker 1: to see, the great games, great competition. Who are some
Speaker 1: of your favorite players to watch right now? And you
Speaker 1: put me on the spot again. I love Hawaii No
Speaker 1: Bron Brown, um A d Manum. I had so much
Speaker 1: fun watching Um, Little jama Jamal Murray. I love watching
Speaker 1: Jamaal and little Homie Mitchell. I love Donovan, Jason Tatum,
Speaker 1: don't Killer, don't. Yeah, you got a lot of Kobe
Speaker 1: on them too. Yeah, you can tell. You can tell
Speaker 1: he know I like because I teugh he is and
Speaker 1: remind me of x No see you a Hooper. That's
Speaker 1: all we all minds. You know, you know he's not
Speaker 1: a big name in the NBA, but you know who
Speaker 1: played just like him. He played for the Knicks. Tray
Speaker 1: Tray Burke bro He if you don't look if you
Speaker 1: just look like with a glad, he looked just like that.
Speaker 1: His body movements, everything, everything. Yeah, he was getting busy.
Speaker 1: He might have got up man and uh, what's homeboy
Speaker 1: name man for Dallas? Luca? What something is wrong with him?
Speaker 1: I love Luka so much. I'm gonna show you the
Speaker 1: text after they lost and he was getting bullied, I
Speaker 1: Carrick call I said, Rick Man, Luca live man, We're
Speaker 1: gonna come ride whether you need man, Luca nice man
Speaker 1: man and and and and know what I I started
Speaker 1: paying attention to coaches more. Would you have a coach?
Speaker 1: Mhm Never. I can't. Um. I don't think I can
Speaker 1: all Bush All everything's out. You could be Alan, obviously
Speaker 1: you can be Bubba. Would you coach to Steven Sex? No,
Speaker 1: I think that coaches are. I know they're great leaders
Speaker 1: of their family because if you can lead guys that
Speaker 1: come from wall walks of life, all walks of life,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And and and get them
Speaker 1: to come together for one common goal and you make
Speaker 1: less than them and they respect you. And yeah, and
Speaker 1: the great just can't do that. No, like you when
Speaker 1: you when you grab Papa Vich you have a god
Speaker 1: given talent. First of all, you know what he talked
Speaker 1: talking about. But then when you can, when you can.
Speaker 1: Last story, Coach Brown called me in the office one
Speaker 1: day and he said, I'm gonna kick your ass. I
Speaker 1: ain't did nothing. Yeah, I'm on time, said just bear
Speaker 1: with me, when in practice destroyed me. Every good player
Speaker 1: I made, said something bad about it when I turned
Speaker 1: it over, went crazy on me when I won't in
Speaker 1: the right spot, went crazy on me else. But everybody
Speaker 1: looking at me, Matt, Like everybody looking at me like,
Speaker 1: you know, because they used to me be in the
Speaker 1: hot head. I'm gonna flip out, like what's wrong with you?
Speaker 1: Eric snow Chuck. Just chill, he just on one the
Speaker 1: day Blue, Just chill, He just on one the day.
Speaker 1: Man went crazy on me. Man, all practice long, I
Speaker 1: go in the locker room sitting in my joint by myself,
Speaker 1: crying like a motherfucker, Like why did he do that
Speaker 1: to me today? You know what I mean? Because I
Speaker 1: felt embarrassed and you know all that, and I was
Speaker 1: hurt because you know, coach, my man, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like, why did you go crazy on me today?
Speaker 1: Like what did I do to you? Trainer came Man
Speaker 1: got me coach once winning there and he was like
Speaker 1: thank you, like you mean thank you like you supposed
Speaker 1: to be saying, why you go crazy on my ass?
Speaker 1: He was like, now I can coach, Like now I
Speaker 1: can't nobody to say ship, Yeah, I can't. No, can't
Speaker 1: nobody say nothing? Now if I can go crazy on you.
Speaker 1: I wish one of them would go crazy or act up,
Speaker 1: And I was like, you, brilliant motherfucker. That was Phil
Speaker 1: Jackson Code. He would treat Code like anyone else. He
Speaker 1: would talk to him like the fourteenth manager. The fucking
Speaker 1: ball too much path, you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 1: and once you, like you said once, you could do
Speaker 1: that to your best player, what can anyone else. It's
Speaker 1: been times with Tony to come down, turn the ball
Speaker 1: over twice, they'll call the time out and he'll go
Speaker 1: straight at him, blaming everything on Tim. I'm everything. Timy
Speaker 1: got nothing to do with it. You need to get
Speaker 1: these guys ready to play Tony turnover because you're not
Speaker 1: getting them fired up. Everything is Tim fault everything. And
Speaker 1: like you say, when he's going off on Tim, when
Speaker 1: I come out of the game, when he take me
Speaker 1: out from making a mistake, I can't say nothing. Now
Speaker 1: I'm in line. Now I didn't I bought in. Now
Speaker 1: I'm starting. You know what I'm saying. But he doing
Speaker 1: it for a reason. They see stuff that we don't
Speaker 1: see in ourselves. That evil genius, uh I said that
Speaker 1: evil genius man. Yes, A couple more things. Who you
Speaker 1: got in the finals, we go, so man, I just won't.
Speaker 1: I want ludu In. I want Ludin the title Living
Speaker 1: Pepper Lou y'all's town thing. We had a little early on,
Speaker 1: but we have Remember the time we had a little
Speaker 1: on the bus and need drink all them up. We
Speaker 1: didn't carry us. I don't want to start him drinking.
Speaker 1: Motherfucker did not drink nothing. I hadn't drinking. Man, that
Speaker 1: man drinking Chris down. Man, I remember, I mean I remember, man,
Speaker 1: Come on, man, rookie, I was just big home. I
Speaker 1: love him. Man. Now you got his own city on
Speaker 1: the map, Blue Willville and allowing, Yeah it's on the map.
Speaker 1: But I mean he's shape. It's the man to shape them.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it. I'm looking at him like look
Speaker 1: what I created, straight up, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And then straight buckets, straight buck I love him. I
Speaker 1: just wanted I want him to win so bad. I
Speaker 1: want him to win, Like, yeah, I want him to win.
Speaker 1: Good call. Last two questions. A player that in your
Speaker 1: era that you wish you could have played with, chat
Speaker 1: a player today you wish you could have played with.
Speaker 1: It was Lebron in my era. Kind of the sake
Speaker 1: of it. No, alright, no, all right, now, um, I
Speaker 1: love him. Play with your honest. I thought it was
Speaker 1: say Katie. Oh no, no, no, no, yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1: Play with Katie. I'm telling you, I love you honest.
Speaker 1: Now I love talking about I love you honest. I'm
Speaker 1: tripping because I ain't seen Katie in a minute. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so I'm tripping, I'm trimpling, I'm tripping, I'm trippling. I'm tripping.
Speaker 1: I'm tripping hard. Yeah, yeah, see you you know anyway
Speaker 1: talking about Yeah, yeah, hell, but no dispect to honest.
Speaker 1: I love yes, love you. That's why I wanted to
Speaker 1: go to Golden State. Yeah, so we'll be ugly. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I love you. Go to that man, That's why I
Speaker 1: want him to go. Man, I want him to go
Speaker 1: to Golden State. Man, even though no one could stop you,
Speaker 1: who you felt in your career, Guarden, you the best
Speaker 1: Marcus Banks. Wow. Yeah, because the video you're talking about,
Speaker 1: I'm on there and I didn't fall. He made me stumble. Yeah.
Speaker 1: What about gardening for anyway? Right? Castle ship baby gardens,
Speaker 1: guardens beating and beat Guarden somebody I was guardening, bro?
Speaker 1: What was that guarding for anyway, And you know what
Speaker 1: I did? Bed? Ever tell you what I You know,
Speaker 1: I used to flop to get two fouls on BD,
Speaker 1: to get him off me, and to get Wesley on me.
Speaker 1: Like I all all I had to do is running
Speaker 1: the b D. He was too big out running to him. Flop,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. He couldn't stand that ship.
Speaker 1: I get two founds on him, Go set your ass
Speaker 1: down and get off of me. Because Bed got d me.
Speaker 1: He could do it all. Yeah, I tell people, man,
Speaker 1: if he could have stayed healthy, he could have been
Speaker 1: one of the greatest eff Yeah, no question question. Yeah
Speaker 1: what was Bed knees was right? And it's bad Bed
Speaker 1: was bad at doing work. What I always wanted to
Speaker 1: know this real quick? What's the story behind? Were talking
Speaker 1: about practice? Okay, okay, easy word. First of all, we
Speaker 1: went out in the first round. The next year after
Speaker 1: going to the finals, went out in the first round too,
Speaker 1: went out in the first round. Best friend just got killed.
Speaker 1: That's what I thought. It wouldn't have had nothing to
Speaker 1: do with basketball the whole time. He didn't. Best friend
Speaker 1: just got killed. I was struggling with, you know the
Speaker 1: fact that because our expectations after going to the finals.
Speaker 1: You don't supposed to go out in the first round,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I'm dealing with the
Speaker 1: Philadelphia media, which is brutal, brutal, and my man just
Speaker 1: got killed. And honestly, I might be mistaken, but I
Speaker 1: think that they hadn't caught the motherfucker that did it.
Speaker 1: I was dealing with a whole bunch of ship at
Speaker 1: the time because with the people not catching them yet,
Speaker 1: something happened to him who they don't look at. So
Speaker 1: you know, I was worrying about that. That whatever reporter
Speaker 1: was just kept asking me about practice situation, and I
Speaker 1: just lost it, you know what I mean, if I could,
Speaker 1: if I could take it back, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I had the opportunity to walk away. I had opportunity
Speaker 1: to walk away from the podium. All PR person was saying,
Speaker 1: you know, tapping me, like hey, come on, come on,
Speaker 1: come on, and I was like, no, I ain't going nowhere.
Speaker 1: I don't know if if you remember that on the joint,
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I ain't going nowhere. Another reason was
Speaker 1: they were talking about trading me and I had just
Speaker 1: came from a meeting with the general manager and coach Brown,
Speaker 1: and it was like, You're not going awhere. But I
Speaker 1: was dealing with my kids saying, you know, daddy while
Speaker 1: my class and maasing my teachers saying tell your daddy,
Speaker 1: don't leave this that in the third So it was
Speaker 1: effecting lot. Yeah, it was affecting my house too, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So I was happy as hell
Speaker 1: that I was going to the press conference to say
Speaker 1: I wasn't going nowhere. But they didn't care anything about that.
Speaker 1: All they were talking about was practice and the rest
Speaker 1: is history. As he said, you, I just I went crazy.
Speaker 1: And then the crazy part about it is everybody think
Speaker 1: it's funny, but me, people that knew what she was
Speaker 1: going through at the time, they ain't going funny to them,
Speaker 1: you know, you know what I mean, But like to
Speaker 1: everybody else, And and then and then and then, like
Speaker 1: I'll be out on the street and somebody coming to
Speaker 1: me and be like practice practice, and I'll be I
Speaker 1: look at him like is that all you can come
Speaker 1: up with? Man? You can't be a little bit more
Speaker 1: original than that, you know what I mean? Like all
Speaker 1: the things that I did in my life, I'm a
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, man. All you can think about is practice, man.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like in the same thing
Speaker 1: with the Jordan's, I'm shaking Jordan's like I don't want
Speaker 1: to hear nothing. But is that all I mean? I
Speaker 1: don't shoot a million people, man, And all y'all can
Speaker 1: think about is the Jordan crossovers or the time step
Speaker 1: over pull the shots up there like he was fronn
Speaker 1: to strap up. He shorts like this, like like he
Speaker 1: just knew the cross was coming. He put his hand,
Speaker 1: put it back. He missed it the first time. He's
Speaker 1: gonna again. But that's how you catch it. Those did
Speaker 1: That's how you catch it. Though. You gotta, you gotta,
Speaker 1: you gotta have your hand down. He had his hand
Speaker 1: on the first waiting on it, and you gave it
Speaker 1: a second as soon as he pulled it back. Come in, Mike, Oh,
Speaker 1: you ain't never seen nothing like this, this that young
Speaker 1: boy ship. You know what I mean? Yeah, you ain't
Speaker 1: seen nothing. You ain't seen nothing like that. And then
Speaker 1: I heard I heard um, you know, Phil Jackson, Um
Speaker 1: call him out. You know, he called him out on
Speaker 1: the switch. Come in, man, now, I'm gonna try my
Speaker 1: move on the best person that I ever seen play
Speaker 1: the game twice. Now I'm gonna see if this move
Speaker 1: is real, and I'm like, oh, ship and that and
Speaker 1: that the craziest part. I didn't know what I did
Speaker 1: until yes, Ben and and everybody else talking about it.
Speaker 1: I hit him with that thing twice, all star as
Speaker 1: all though that that little checked out though a little
Speaker 1: definitely checked out. Man. We want to thank you. We
Speaker 1: appreciate you. I want to thank y'all. And then let
Speaker 1: me say this, you two motherfucker's is why I'm here
Speaker 1: in New York because I love Showtime so much. I
Speaker 1: love the idea of them want me to be a
Speaker 1: part of something that they got going on. But you
Speaker 1: two guys, man, I love y'all, man, because y'all love me.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, and I know it, and
Speaker 1: y'all show it. I know it ain't no fake love.
Speaker 1: I know it's real love. I know it's genuine. I
Speaker 1: could not be here for y'all. I couldn't. I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I just I couldn't do it. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I got in the car. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I got in the car and drove here. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean, because you know, I just wanted y'all
Speaker 1: to be able to say, this is my man, and
Speaker 1: y'all wanted him. He funk with us. This hard that
Speaker 1: I can that I can, I can bring him in it.
Speaker 1: It's hard getting that dude. Man. Y'all know who he is.
Speaker 1: Y'all know who it is. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: what with us? Just to love he got for us,
Speaker 1: Appreciate that he coming, Yeah, he coming. But we just
Speaker 1: want to thank you. Like I said, too often, you
Speaker 1: never know when it's time. And everything you've done for
Speaker 1: us as as fans, as friends, for the world, you've
Speaker 1: been a true blessing man. Just to watch your growth,
Speaker 1: your bumps, your ups, your downs, and you've always, like
Speaker 1: you said, to be any stay true to yourself. And
Speaker 1: I think that's why people love you so much. I
Speaker 1: got a chance to play with Code, I got a
Speaker 1: chance to play with Shack. I've never seen fan fair
Speaker 1: when we go to different cities, like the love you get.
Speaker 1: And I just think that not even so much for it,
Speaker 1: I mean obviously because of your basketball, because of the
Speaker 1: man you are in the heart, you having people love
Speaker 1: and respect who you really are. You never never flip
Speaker 1: the script on nobody. We appreciate that, bro, appreciate love. Man.
Speaker 1: You know that you know that that's a rap y'all
Speaker 1: a swarm. Like you said, we got him. We hope
Speaker 1: you enjoyed this episode, man. Check it out a Showtime
Speaker 1: Basketball YouTube and the I Heart platform. All the smoke.
Speaker 1: Two world champions. They happen to be twin brothers, while
Speaker 1: the ingredients are there. Two guys who love to sit
Speaker 1: down to their punts and throw that firepower. I'm not
Speaker 1: scared of nobody, and I'm definitely not scared of some
Speaker 1: when I'm talking. There's no one in the division that
Speaker 1: can beat me. There's no one in the division that
Speaker 1: strong as me. It would definitely deliver a statement the
Speaker 1: powers for real. We would get a chance to let
Speaker 1: everyone in the world see the great things that me
Speaker 1: and my twin brother has drunk in the squarter box. Try.
Speaker 1: You know, the same card gives us a nearergy. We
Speaker 1: want to be charged, we want to be at our best.
Speaker 1: We're gonna both meet in the middle of the ring
Speaker 1: and we're gonna let our hands go. Let the best
Speaker 1: men win. They are boxing and they pound for palm.
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