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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode, Season two, episode forty six

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Speaker 1: with the one and only a Little Big Homie Alan Iverson,

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Speaker 1: the most requested person you got. We've had everybody on

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Speaker 1: We went and got him for y'all. Wasn't easy, man,

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Speaker 1: It's busy, Hey man. We want to welcome everybody man

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite players friends, brother Allen Iverson, to

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Speaker 1: the show. Man. We appreciate your time, brother Jackoe. We

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Speaker 1: forgot our hand shake too, man, They've been more. My

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Speaker 1: hands haven't been more. New season, Baby, I got all

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Speaker 1: my new products from now I mean from Matt. I

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Speaker 1: got all my new products from Matt and make sure

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Speaker 1: you could get your youth products too. But we mentioned it,

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Speaker 1: like we said, you know, you were the one. We

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Speaker 1: always randomly asked who people want to see, And when

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Speaker 1: I tell you, it's like of the comments are we

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Speaker 1: want to see Ai. We want to see Ai. Man,

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Speaker 1: how does that make you feel? You know, you've been

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Speaker 1: want to know all about you. It's just it's God,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You love me, You love me,

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Speaker 1: um Man. Just being up here. I was just so

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like y'all know how we

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Speaker 1: And then for me to be able to to do

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Speaker 1: Now they re aired your doc we aired on Showtime

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Speaker 1: just recently. Um, after seeing that and being removed again,

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Speaker 1: That's it. I grew up in Newport News, Virginia. Two

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Speaker 1: can they get to show my socks as well? Okay,

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Speaker 1: This year we're supposed to shoot our show from there.

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Speaker 1: Because he's excellent. He's a great person. I never had

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Speaker 1: What's wrong? What's wrong with being you? Everybody else, everybody

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Speaker 1: what I mean. I was doing it, but I was

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00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: doing it because my homeboys. That was what they wanted

424
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: to do. So the opportunity presented itself and I could

425
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 1: help them. So that's why I did it, you know

426
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like I learned from them. I didn't

427
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 1: learn well, but I learned from them, you know what

428
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: I mean. But back then, Matt, I was so nonchalant,

429
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: and the only thing that I was scared of is

430
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: that my dream of being who Mode molded me to

431
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: be as an athlete was gonna be over. Like the

432
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 1: old head people in my life, I just never wanted

433
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: to disappoint them, you know what I mean. You know

434
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 1: I had that fear, not a Mode kicking my ass

435
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: a couple he threw me through a one shield before,

436
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, but just not being who

437
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 1: God gave you the talent to be. You Matt Barnes,

438
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 1: Steve Jackson, You're supposed to be what God gave you

439
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 1: the talent to end up being, you know what I mean?

440
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: And that was my fear. That was my fear letting,

441
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 1: letting them down. And then the fact of like Coach

442
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: Thompson used to tell me, oh, you have this motherfucker

443
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: you eating three times a day. Huh. You didn't breakfast,

444
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,640
Speaker 1: you didn't lunch, you didn't dinner. But your mom down

445
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: there and some days she don't even eat. She living

446
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: down there, and that we call my homeboys used to

447
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 1: tease me, they called it the dills affect. It straight

448
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 1: from the sewer because in our crib we had, we

449
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 1: had the crib and we never could be bad for

450
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 1: it in our house because the sewer from up under

451
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: the house used to the carpet. Yeah, and it's just wet,

452
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 1: like you're walking through this motherucking crib and it's just question,

453
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And it's stinking like a

454
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 1: motherfucker cutting the lights on, roaches running there, you goddamn where.

455
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: No water, no hot water, you know what I mean?

456
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 1: No food? Bacon Solda? What bacon Solda? And and wear

457
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 1: fair cheese and the motherfucker. And he used to you know,

458
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 1: that's what was his way of getting to me. Oh,

459
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 1: you want your mama to around, that's what you're doing. Yeah,

460
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: keep keep living like this right, I ain't gonna argue

461
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: with you. I ain't gonna cut you out, you know

462
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: what I mean. I ain't gonna I ain't gonna talk

463
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: no ship to you. I'm just gonna tell you this

464
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,479
Speaker 1: is what you want for your mom and your sisters, right.

465
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: And I could just snap out of us, Steve, you

466
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: know what I mean, and go get right back on

467
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: on on my path. But I don't know. I know

468
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 1: I went all over the place from what you asked me,

469
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:02,239
Speaker 1: But we want We spoke on two people, obviously, one

470
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 1: being here Mo and then John Thompson. It sounds like

471
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: to me from the outside looking in, with two integral

472
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: figures in your life and kind of kept you from

473
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 1: making all these left and rights and kept you going straight.

474
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: Talk to us a little bit about both them. Obviously

475
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: we just lost, you know, one of the greatest coaches

476
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: of all time, resting peach Coach Thompson. But I know

477
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: he was an intrigral in, you know, keeping you on

478
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 1: the right path. We used to tell me about all

479
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: the time. Is the ship that I was just talking

480
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: to you about. He said, I ain't never complained for

481
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: what they did to me. He always talked about. He

482
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 1: admired me for what they did for me, and being

483
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: there young and not complain. But my whole thing was

484
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: God gave me another chance, so it won't no need

485
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: to con blame because I got a chance. Like I'm

486
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: recruited by everybody in the whole country and both sports, everybody,

487
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: and the situation happened with me, and they almost got

488
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: away with it. Thee they almost got away with it

489
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: because if my mom didn't go up there and beg

490
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: him to save my life, it wouldn't be no Alan

491
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: Irison the coach rule icon. Did everybody know if he

492
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: didn't give me a chance, he gave me a chance.

493
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: Do you remember what John Thompson was known as Alonzo Patrick,

494
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: the Kim bay the big man, coach, Marcus Allen. I mean,

495
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: I'm Marcus Allen, uh Alan, so another big man. They

496
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: had another seven for the last name was Alice from

497
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: my hometown. It was it was big man, and and

498
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: everybody always talked about how he couldn't coach guards. But

499
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, when you think of Georgetown,

500
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: as much as I love Pat, as much as I

501
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: love Alonzo, much as I love to Kim Bay man,

502
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: it's Bubba chucking, you know, to me and and and Mo.

503
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: And MO was just so intricate in my life because

504
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: that was the first time I saw a man married

505
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: to a woman and had a kid and didn't hustle.

506
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: I went to work every day, more worked at Avon, man,

507
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: like a little girl, more work than Avon with my mama.

508
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: That's how, that's how, that's how I met Mo. My,

509
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: my mom and Moe worked together at Avon. And Mo

510
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: was talking to Mommy about me, and Mommy was saying,

511
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: my son the baddest motherfucker this in the third day,

512
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: whoop whoop. And Mo was like, man, that little you

513
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: know whatever ain't ship, you know what I mean. He

514
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: was like like, man, come saam, just come check him out.

515
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: Y'all football your football dude, Right all right, y'all football dude.

516
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: So y'all know what hot ball is? How ball when

517
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: you throw it up? All right? Well, we was playing

518
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: hot ball. Mocaine our hood just rolled by, you know,

519
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: just because he was a football coach, rolled by, you

520
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: know what I mean, to check check me out and

521
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: see what was up. Everything else is legendary, you know.

522
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: And told my mom like when when it told? When

523
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: it told? My mom said, Yo, yes, he's the one,

524
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: and then and like we we UM. We lost our

525
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: first year, we lost seventy six tom Strong, and then

526
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: we wanted five years in a row. I ain't never played.

527
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: I played UM. I played in immediate every year five

528
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: years straight. But when Moe came and got me, he

529
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: came and got me and took me to Hampton and

530
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: put me in the skills position. When I was in

531
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: uh newper News, motherfucker's had me. I played center, Steve.

532
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: I played center. I played center because they were like,

533
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: I just wanted to be on the field, and they

534
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: had me. They had me, you know, they was, you know,

535
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: saying who can hike whatever? Whatever. I don't like anything,

536
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: I do anything. Just I was number double zero, uh Steve,

537
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: like man. I played UM. I played the year before that,

538
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: that was Door Miller. Year before that, I played the

539
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: t v P. I played wide receiver. They threw me

540
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: the ball one time and bitch went straight in the air.

541
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: I used to cry after a goddamn game. We lost

542
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: every game. Second year I played playing for Door Miller,

543
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: I'm the center, number double zero Steve. Sorry as number.

544
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: I couldn't stand with mellow water. Now number five pounds,

545
00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: look yes, listen, I'm at six bread, I mean at

546
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: the bus stop. It's raining and you know, um, everybody

547
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: trying to get on the bus. You know what I

548
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: mean to getting the sitt in the back where you

549
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: can cut up, so you want to get on first,

550
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: so you can sit in the back. Man. I'm up

551
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: to motherfucker, motherfucker pushing me, man, and I failed. The

552
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: motherfucking bust roll over my ankle, just sitting on my ankle.

553
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there. Everybody banging on the um, banging on

554
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,959
Speaker 1: the window like miss Burry, Miss Burry, you know what

555
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: I mean? You you um, you're on his ankle. You're

556
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: on his ankle. She like what what? You know what

557
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: I mean? She finally opened the door and they're like,

558
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: you on his ankle And I'm just laying there. I

559
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: guess I probably was in in shot or something because

560
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: goddamn busts on my ankle. I'm a little ass kid.

561
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: Motherfucker roll by. I get up, Steve, get up and

562
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: try to walk up on the bus. She put her

563
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: hands on my chest like, uh, you gotta look, you

564
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: gotta sit down, you gotta sit down. I sat down

565
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: and then motherfucking pain came and I'm like, oh ship,

566
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: I just passed out, you know what I mean. I

567
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 1: woke up the whole fucking neighborhood because I'm the I'm

568
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: the neighborhood, the star, you know what I mean. And

569
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: and you funked up. It's all over, proud of you.

570
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: I woke up, I'm on the guerney and they pushing

571
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: me out. I'm just looking at everybody in the hood,

572
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I just see everybody crying,

573
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: you know whatever. You know, they put me in their

574
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 1: joint and I just remember my grandma telling me at

575
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,919
Speaker 1: the hospital. I was like, no, no, I ain't gonna

576
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: never be able to play no more. And she was like,

577
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: don't worry about that. I was like, none in my ankle.

578
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: My ankle is messed up. And she was like, son,

579
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: don't worry about that. Instead of your ankle, it could

580
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: have been your chest or your head. Dog. I played

581
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: a month later in the championship game. A month later,

582
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, my the doctor was like,

583
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like how your ankle is?

584
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: How is it not um shattered? It won't even broke,

585
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: It won't even broke, you know what I mean, I'm like, yo,

586
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: it was man, what Like I believe in him. I'm

587
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: not no, I'm not no dude that I you know,

588
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: be up in church all the time and whatever. Like

589
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: I pray, I pray. I pray for Tijuana. I mean,

590
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: I pray for my kids. First, I played for Tiuana.

591
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: I pray for my family and the wildest ship as

592
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: I always pray for me. Last I pray for all

593
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: that because I know without them, I'll be so lost.

594
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: I'd be so shattered, I'll be so dismembered, I'd be

595
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: so discombobulated if I didn't have the people that I

596
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: love like him, like this is my my best friend.

597
00:35:55,600 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 1: I have no problem when he tells me I'm sucking

598
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: up like I'm I'm I'm the epitome of being able

599
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 1: to take constructive criticism, Like he's not gonna say nothing

600
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: to me just to be fucking with me. You're not

601
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: donna just saying he saved because he loved me the

602
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: way you and Matt are me. Y'all met Alan Iverson,

603
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: But y'all still love Bubba Chuck. Y'all still care about

604
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: Bubba Chuck. Eric snow still care about the guy funk

605
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: that Alan Iverson ship. You know what I mean. I like,

606
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 1: I think it's dope. I think it's cool. I don't

607
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: want you wanted to love Alan Iverson. I wanted to

608
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: love Chuck fifteen years old, Chuck, Bubba Chuck. You know

609
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,439
Speaker 1: what I mean. I don't want you to start looking

610
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: at me like I'm Alan Iverson, you know what I mean?

611
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: Like when when me and you talk like me and

612
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: you like I like to talk to you, I'll be

613
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: my certain certain friends of mine. I'll be like, why

614
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: this motherfucker calling me on FaceTime? Like dude, motherfucker's just

615
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: want to look at you like what I look you

616
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like? But then when when when

617
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: when I like, when I call you, I like to

618
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: do that like I don't want to see Steve, like

619
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 1: I don't get to see Steve, you know what I mean. Like,

620
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: And then when you call me on face sound, I'm like,

621
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean like and and and and

622
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: and it kind of it kind of makes you understand

623
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:24,399
Speaker 1: like a motherfucker love hearing your voice, but mothercker want

624
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: to see you too. You know what the mo Moe

625
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: said to me yesterday And I was like, man, what

626
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: you turn this off or something, you know, because you're

627
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 1: getting old. Because he said to me, it's great just

628
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: hearing your voice. I'm like, what you know what I mean?

629
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: Like what you got going on? He was like, no,

630
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I just just bring hearing your voice today,

631
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And this ship was so

632
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: fucking dope to me, man, because I heard you. I

633
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 1: heard you talk about some ship when you had when

634
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: y'all had Stephen a a bit, and you was like

635
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: you said something. It was only something you could say. He's,

636
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: you know, emotional guy like I'm not I'm Matt Barnes tough.

637
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: I'm Steve Jack tough on that dance floor, off the floor. Man,

638
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:18,919
Speaker 1: I don't want no problems with man. Man, how many

639
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: times we have been on FaceTime and tells time, I

640
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: don't want no, I don't want I'm not out here

641
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: trying to be no tough guy. Man. I'm not. I'm

642
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: not tough. Man, I'm not. I don't don't approach me

643
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 1: thinking that it's some tough ship going on with me. Man,

644
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: that's basketball. When when when they talk about how tough

645
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: Alan Iverson is. You know what I knows too. I

646
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 1: know it's a lot of people think we're tough because

647
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: of the stuff we were able to endure and come

648
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: through in life. That they look at this like, I

649
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: could never go through that? How how how are you

650
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: still standing right? How? How did you make it through

651
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: all that? All these people talked about you and said

652
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 1: you was just said you was that, but you still

653
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: keep going? How did you? How did you? How do

654
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: you have that strength? So that's why people automatically put

655
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: that that tough tag on you or that are that

656
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: are that he's hard tag on you because they don't

657
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 1: they don't understand how can somebody go through so much

658
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: and still shine like a diamond? Bro. But that's just

659
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 1: what we do. We make a lot of pressure up

660
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 1: the pivot into the ninety six draft. That was the

661
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: hell of a draft class yourself, Stepfi Marbury, kobe An,

662
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: Tom Walker, Steve Nash, Jermaine O'Neil, greatest draft he was

663
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: in there. So that's your introduction to that Philly fan base.

664
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,760
Speaker 1: You talked about it and tell us about the beginning

665
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 1: of your career. Obviously there had been a spam where

666
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: they hadn't been to the playoffs in a handful of years.

667
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: Charles Barkley was gone in the early nineties. You come

668
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: in nineties, come in ninety six. What was it like

669
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 1: at the beginning trying to build your beginning of your career? So,

670
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: because the same thing you spoke on Matt with the

671
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,879
Speaker 1: fan base being and so tough, right, and then I

672
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: was coming in. I was a point guard, but I've

673
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: always been a killer, so I was score not being traditional.

674
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:12,919
Speaker 1: They were hard on me, you know what I mean.

675
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: And then I came from Georgetown Villanova. Yeah, so you

676
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: had those fans, I would say, kind of not giving

677
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: me a chance to develop, you know what I mean.

678
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: They wanted it now years old. They wanted me to

679
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: take a team championship, right, and it was it was

680
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: hard on me. From what you just said, Steve, what

681
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: I had endured in my life, it was way harder.

682
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: And so it probably didn't even register and bother me

683
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: like it would anybody else. That was the number one pick,

684
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it didn't it didn't

685
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: bother me, like, Man, I'm in the NBA. I just

686
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: got out of jail, you know what I mean. Yeah,

687
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I'm making hears of dollars,

688
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 1: like I'm taking care of my family. Tawanna is straight,

689
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like my daughter is straight.

690
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: So it's like, man, funk that ship. And then you

691
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 1: know what God do, and great coaches do what Larry

692
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: Brown did, and great teammates do, they help me, you

693
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: know what I mean, get to what we ultimately you know,

694
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: end up becoming. Remember Brown said about me and you

695
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: mm hmm. It's a quote I got to. I took

696
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: the copy, cut it out the magazine. God put him

697
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: on this earth to coach Allan ivis and to Stephen Jackson. Wow,

698
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: and he the greatest? Like that was how how how

699
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: is he not involved in any organization at all? And

700
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: he don't want no money. He just wants his voice

701
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: to be heard to help. He want the game to

702
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: stay appreciated. Yeah, I am for him to for him

703
00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: to say, he say, he go around in life and

704
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: every way yet airports, you know, wherever, yet and people

705
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: walk up to him and say, you're Allen nervous in

706
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: his coach, or you were allanvouss coach. And he loved

707
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,399
Speaker 1: that feeling. Dude, you know why that makes me feel

708
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: though as much as we look up to him, I

709
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: remember I remember I did something we were playing a

710
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: Lando and I hit the winner, and I remember your reaction,

711
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: because man, you we jumped up. We you know what

712
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: I mean something we jumped up, and you know what

713
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 1: I mean. But your reaction and and when you say

714
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: you won't play, but you know the type of motherfucker

715
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: you are. Your reaction for the success that we it's

716
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: always been that way pure. You gotta think I'm a

717
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: fan like I'm, You're some of we all look up to,

718
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: and I'm pretty much I just had the best motherfucking

719
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: sea in the arena right here every single night. I say,

720
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 1: because he missed his I mean, can you imagine? I mean,

721
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: you're already an icon Hall of Famer, but if social

722
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: media was around back when he was playing, you mean,

723
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: you gotta think that first. When you how you hopped

724
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 1: in the league with the cross Stoker on MJ. But

725
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: I was front and center for you. You making a

726
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: lot of people fall down. And if you look back,

727
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: like my kids were looking the other day, they're like, Dad,

728
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: I didn't know you played with Alan Iver sounds like

729
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: I did, and I watched them. I was, you know,

730
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: but I jumped off. I jumped off the bench like

731
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: a couple of times where he would just cross. But

732
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: to me, it's just about seeing it was I've always

733
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: been teamed, but to get you know, get a chance

734
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,919
Speaker 1: to just see what you went through every single day.

735
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 1: People don't understand first of all how fucking small you are,

736
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: and then to see the burst of sacks on your

737
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: elbows or how beat up your hips are. Like this motherfucker,

738
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 1: I couldn't move, and then all of a sudden at

739
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: the games, he's amazing. The only motherfucker's that No for real,

740
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: his motherfucker's like him that played with you know what

741
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: you mean? That like Tiwana Iverson, Like good, sit up

742
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: and watch me walk to the bathroom in the morning,

743
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: and like, ain't no whar in hell he's playing today?

744
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Because mother fucker Fred Sam

745
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: from Nika. Just man, I get there, see the motherfucking

746
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 1: fans man, look in them eyes. Man, what I'm playing.

747
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: I don't give a funk if the ship hanging off. Man,

748
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: I'm playing, you know what I mean, just for my

749
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: just for my guys man, and then and then them

750
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: fucking Philadelphia fans man. But just like I'm not an activist,

751
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: like I'm Marvel, what you do like I'm so proud

752
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: of you, Like I mean you're talking about when we

753
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: face time and and and and I'm crying and ship

754
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: like that, when I see you on Instagram and then

755
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: when I see you, you know, on TV and and

756
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 1: doing your thing and standing up for us and all that. Man,

757
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: that's Steve. That's that's that's what he was breddy to do. Man,

758
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 1: he is that man. Just like you. You said all

759
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: the time, you didn't ask to be put in this situation.

760
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: It it happened, and and and and you took the

761
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: responsibility and took off with it. And I'm doing it

762
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: and I'm doing it and I'm gonna be the best

763
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: are doing it, and I love it and I love it.

764
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: But I don't try to be Steve. I don't try

765
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 1: to be Steve Jackson. I don't try to do that.

766
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: I don't try to go out there and let me

767
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: try to be better than Steve. Let me be a

768
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: better activist than than Steve. Man. All of it is wrong.

769
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,439
Speaker 1: All that ship is wrong. We know it. You see

770
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 1: a motherfucker, uh, somebody get murdered for no reason. It's wrong.

771
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 1: You don't. It's just wrong. You don't racism, you can't.

772
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,439
Speaker 1: You can't change nobody. And I said, I won't even

773
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: talk about this, but it's here. You can't just tell

774
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: a person that's racist, man, that is wrong, and then

775
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: that person is gonna be like, all right, well I

776
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: ain't racism because you said it's wrong, because you man,

777
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: God gotta do something about this. Don't work like that, man,

778
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: Evil is evil and good is good. Man. They don't

779
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: have a color neither because they're coming all. I never,

780
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,800
Speaker 1: I never, I never. I'm a hooper my whole life.

781
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: I've been around everybody. I watched that. I say that

782
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: all the time as a basketball players, it's kind of

783
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: hard for you to be racist, bro, How can you

784
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: be kind of hardest? But especially grow up in the

785
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: air U circus and all the different races we come

786
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: up with play. If you are, you're gonna stand out

787
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: Like you think I don't love count Corver, You think

788
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: I don't love Keithing Horn, You think I don't love

789
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: Time to Color. Like you think those guys were just

790
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 1: my teammates. No, man, we went through war together. Man.

791
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: With the narrative though, Chuck, that's the narrative. That's why

792
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 1: we got our own show so we can paint our

793
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: own narratives. Now they can't just say Chuck hate that

794
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: people are Chuck. Is this na You can't say that.

795
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: You can talk to Chuck, you can interview Chock, you

796
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: can ask me yourself. I've never I never, I never,

797
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: I never had a it's never been a race that

798
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: I had a a problem with. Man. Do you know

799
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: who threw me in jail? A white man? I don't

800
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: have no problem with white man. You know how many

801
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: white people I love? You know how many Jews that

802
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: I love? But it says a lot about you and

803
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: your character, though, because you have faced racism at the

804
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 1: highest level. But I look at it like I look

805
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: at people. I look at people. I don't look at

806
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: your color. I look at people. Do you know how

807
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: many do how many black people? African Americans ship on me? What? What? What? So?

808
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,280
Speaker 1: What you're saying? I don't love Matt, I don't love Steve.

809
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 1: What you mean? We definitely gonna be our own worst

810
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 1: than the mantime? Yeah, I don't have no racist bones

811
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: in my body. I look at people for what they are, man,

812
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I don't. I don't. Just

813
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: like we talked about earlier, man, I don't look at

814
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:01,720
Speaker 1: you because you're not rich. I don't shame you because

815
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: you're poor. I don't shame you because you work at McDonald's.

816
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: I come to the goddamn window to get my fries.

817
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: God damn it, I'm gonna treat you like I would

818
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: treat anybody. It's good in everybody. Do you know what

819
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 1: I mean? It is this this, this goddamn this world.

820
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: We're trying to figure all this this stuff out. And

821
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: what I'm what I'm saying is like people need to believe. Man,

822
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: believe in their faith, whatever it is. I ain't saying

823
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: you gotta be a Christian and you gotta be a

824
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:41,720
Speaker 1: Muslim or whatever you are. Man, believe in the good

825
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: that that come with it. Religion aside. Everybody that's stands

826
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: on side of love. It's time to come together, regardless

827
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: of what religion you are, regardless of what couse of

828
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 1: color you are, if you stand on side of love,

829
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: this is the most important time to stand on on

830
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: the side of the next person. We're standing on side

831
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: of love, to push the people who hate out. This

832
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 1: is the most important time. All that religion, all of color,

833
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 1: all that stuff do not matter at this point. You

834
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: goddamn it don't matter at all. Look everybody, everybody's saying

835
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 1: and it makes it makes me so mad when but

836
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: I understand people be saying I can't wait for to

837
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: be over, and my old thing is like I was

838
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: thinking like that. I was like, man, Kobe, this damn disease,

839
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 1: Um Coach Thompson, what else you you can help me?

840
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 1: Um George, the police brutality, the protesting and and all

841
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: of this stuff that's going on, And it's like everybody's saying,

842
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: you know, we just want to go, and I'm thinking

843
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: in my mind like, damn, my nephew was born four

844
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: months ago, so me saying is so bad. No, I

845
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: can't say that. And then it's like everybody in a

846
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 1: hurry for one And do you know how many days

847
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: there are between right now? You ain't promised tomorrow. So

848
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 1: what you're hoping fast forward, you're trying to fast forward.

849
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: What you're trying to fast forward something for? I learn more,

850
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: I learn more to ship. I learned more in twenty

851
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 1: than I've learned in the first forty one years of

852
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: my life. Me too, I learned more about myself, more

853
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,399
Speaker 1: about other people, more about history more. But I've learned.

854
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: I've educated myself more in the last couple of months,

855
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 1: and I've educated myself my whole life. It's a pivotal year.

856
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 1: This is I mean, this is gonna be a year

857
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 1: that's gonna go down in history. More world, it's gonna

858
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: it's gonna be gonna talk about this year in the

859
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: history then that you have been having history books, but

860
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: when our kids kids are in school, like, is gonna

861
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: be one of those historical pivotal moments in American history. Man,

862
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,800
Speaker 1: for all the positive reasons you gotta you gotta figure

863
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: out as bad as police brutality and racism and all

864
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 1: that stuff, somebody getting shot in the back seven times,

865
00:50:55,920 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 1: and is as bad as it is in your mind,

866
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: I'm thinking it's gonna get better, you know what I mean.

867
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: You're just thinking positive. You're not thinking negative. Man. It's

868
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: gonna be all right, man, you know what I mean.

869
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: Mo will always tell me when stuff happened to me

870
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,800
Speaker 1: in my life, and I'll be like, man, damn, you

871
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 1: know what I mean, And mosay, son this to shell pass.

872
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: You're gonna get through it, man, God gonna get you

873
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: through it. Man. You know what I mean. You are

874
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: beautiful man. You are a great person. Man right here,

875
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: You're great right there. So that's what's gonna take care

876
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: of you, right there, That's what's gonna take care of you.

877
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: Your heart, you know what I mean. And and I

878
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: and I look at the situation with these police officers,

879
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 1: and I the bad apples are the bad apples period,

880
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But I, man, I feel

881
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: sorry for the dudes that really protecting sir and care

882
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 1: because they're getting painted in the same brush, because they're

883
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:08,280
Speaker 1: getting bruised just like the ones they're supposed to be getting.

884
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: They gotta deal with the aftermath of the bad cop acts.

885
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: They gotta deal with it. They gotta go out there

886
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: when they're really trying to do their job. Now they're

887
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,439
Speaker 1: feeling for their life because the one dump one dump

888
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: racist cops, you know. And it's really not Faul. You

889
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: know it's not Faul. But at the same time, you

890
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: always thought that question, well, where are you good cops

891
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: when this is going on? Wow? Where are you or

892
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: where are you when after it happens when we're protesting.

893
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: So it's it's it's it's a fine line, you know

894
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You can't you can't act when you

895
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: can not give support. But then too for the you know,

896
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:43,439
Speaker 1: for the cops to do try to call out people

897
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: their black balls. There was a cop in l A

898
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: that was that that blew the whists on that that

899
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: Compst and Sheriff Department with the two cops just got shot.

900
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: But previous, maybe a month ago, he blew the whist

901
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: on just all the bullshit, the racist and that was

902
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 1: going on. Now his family is being threatened, he's being threatened, cars,

903
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 1: fun with all this kind of stuff. So it's just

904
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: like an ever evolving cycle that just continues. But you

905
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: gotta think about it. If policing started as slave wranglers,

906
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: that's why they started police was to catch slave So

907
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: anything that's built on the foundation of that's what policing

908
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: was built on. So how can you expect it to

909
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: ever be That's a whole another conversation. But it's crazy.

910
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: But it's like I said, it's just I agree with you,

911
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 1: you know every day, but you know, every day we

912
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,479
Speaker 1: wake up it's a blessed day. Although ties been terrible,

913
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: it's terrible moments, there's still been plenty of blessings within

914
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: this year. You know what I mean, you got to

915
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: find that silver lining. We're back. That's a big blessing.

916
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: We gotta were breathe it right now. It's another blessing.

917
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: We got a chance to get better tomorrow if we

918
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:39,760
Speaker 1: make it to tomorrow. But today we have more hours

919
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: in today to get better. And when we got down

920
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 1: on the couch, uck here on the did what I'm saying, Hey,

921
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: come on, man, life is great. I'm taking advantage of it.

922
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 1: I hear you that. Man, I play that song over noon,

923
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: life ain't so bad, and it ain't so bad at all. Man.

924
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 1: All moving back, so you you you probably make the

925
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,800
Speaker 1: playoffs in ninety nine, you beat the Magic, get swept

926
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: by the Pacers two thousand, come back strong. You had

927
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 1: to say that he hit up. That hurt me. That

928
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: hurt me because I thought I thought we were on

929
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: the way. Man, I know, I knew we were gonna

930
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,439
Speaker 1: win a championship once we got by the Pacers like

931
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: they were thrown. I mean even the year we beat them,

932
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 1: they won Game one, didn't it at our house? And

933
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, here we go again. Man, these dudes, Man,

934
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: they had the roughest, toughest team. Man, you know what

935
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: I mean, they had the roughest, toughest team you win.

936
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: A VP talked to us, what that was like two

937
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 1: thousand one. You remember, I was getting ready they was

938
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 1: getting to trade me to Detroit. I was getting ready

939
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: to get traded the year before, and then we came in.

940
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: We won ten in a row, and it was like, man,

941
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: when you know you're the baddest dude in the world,

942
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: like you ain't never get the recognition of being that,

943
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:18,760
Speaker 1: you know. I was always, you know, it was always

944
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 1: something about why I'm not a great It was always

945
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:31,399
Speaker 1: something it's posse has hairs dressed, you know what I mean.

946
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: It was always something other than basketball. Count them because yeah,

947
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 1: it was like, damn, finally like they might be, you know,

948
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 1: turning the page on. Because you know, some people say,

949
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 1: I don't give a funk what they say about me,

950
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I'm like, that ain't true,

951
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like like if a dude

952
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 1: call you a child molester or rapists, you don't care,

953
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it's like, you know,

954
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 1: I got to the point where I was like, damn,

955
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, wow, you know what

956
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 1: I mean. M v P The best player in the

957
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 1: whole world, you know, because I remember leading the league

958
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,399
Speaker 1: and stills three years in the row and not even

959
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 1: being honorable mentioned all defensive, you know what I'm saying.

960
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: And then Larry Used did it the year after me,

961
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:24,760
Speaker 1: and he was first team All defense. People just don't

962
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 1: want you to win, just you know, thinking they're picking

963
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 1: on you because you are you. You comfortable being you,

964
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like and and certain people

965
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: don't like that, Like it wasn't that I won't conforming

966
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: and ship like that. When when when I was dressing

967
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: the way I was dressing and stuff like that, I

968
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: was dressing like, damn, my filing got some money, I

969
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:51,439
Speaker 1: can wear you know what I'm saying. Like the dudes

970
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: from my neighborhood, they would love to wear this right here,

971
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: the fresh white teas, the ten x look, the jerseys

972
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 1: I used to go to. I used to go to

973
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 1: Big and Tall in the in the dudes um that

974
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: that I played with, Derrek Coleman and all of them.

975
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:11,959
Speaker 1: They used to get mad because they like man Chuck.

976
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 1: Then went to the Big and Tall and bought all

977
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: this and bought and bought all the ship and we

978
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: ain't got nothing. They ain't got nothing in there for us.

979
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Just Steve, just living man.

980
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 1: Just wanted to be happy. Man. Just they don't take much,

981
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Just man, my kids, my teammates,

982
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: my fans, my friends. Whatever I like to eat, whatever

983
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:41,919
Speaker 1: I like to drink. Man, that's all I want. Man,

984
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I just want to be

985
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 1: motherfucking happy. Man. God damn man, God Damn Mary J. Blige. Man,

986
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: be happy man. That's it man. What's wrong with that? Man?

987
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: What's wrong with that? Man? You know what I mean? Like, Man,

988
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 1: we need you on the show. Mary joant me to

989
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: cut you up as we sing in the Queen Mary Day.

990
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: We need you on the show. That's right. Just just

991
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 1: I mean, and be around, be around the people, man,

992
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 1: that that you love. Man, that's it man, you know

993
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: what I mean. What's what's wrong with that? Man? What's

994
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: wrong with that? Man? I don't want to go outside

995
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: and feel like as soon as I go outside, somebody

996
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: gonna shoot me for nothing. And you can't being life

997
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 1: scared to live. I'm not being scared to live, man.

998
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 1: I'm wearing my mask, I put gloves on, whatever I

999
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 1: wash my hands. I do all of that, you know

1000
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: what I mean. But I gotta all of a sudden,

1001
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 1: I gotta walk out of here and be scared for

1002
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 1: when when when somebody coughed around me or sneeze. It's

1003
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: so bad that when we cough, we get scared. We

1004
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: used to cough a whole like forty or five years old.

1005
00:58:57,720 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 1: I used to cough all the time. I got calling,

1006
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: I started calling, I getta. I hear people calling. They

1007
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 1: as soon as they called, they said, disclaim I was

1008
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 1: just smoking week. And it's not It's not funny, but

1009
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 1: it's it's funny to me. I'm talking about when when

1010
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 1: you're in line, you know, I just heard somebody called them,

1011
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like yeah, Like, man, what

1012
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: is what is this world turned? You see everybody around

1013
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:37,960
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1020
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1022
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Speaker 1: run right here and finally get the revenge against Indiana

1035
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Speaker 1: three one in the playoffs. Memorable moment which I kind

1036
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 1: of thought was mirrored a little bit in this playoffs

1037
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 1: this year with with the run that you and Vince had.

1038
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: We have vins on a couple of months ago and

1039
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 1: he talked about that back and forth uh that you

1040
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 1: and you and him had during that playoff run dropping

1041
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 1: fifty and just how you of that game? Seven't miss shot?

1042
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 1: What was the most rememberable part about that series with him?

1043
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 1: Mhm him amazing? People, I think because he played too long,

1044
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 1: people forget how fucking amazing Vince? Oh my god, Yo,

1045
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 1: But look who you think was who you think had

1046
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1047
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 1: know what's crazy? As much as I want to agree

1048
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 1: with you, who you got Trey Egua dolla. Remember young

1049
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 1: Aggie was not Bence though I know, I know, I

1050
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 1: know it, don't it is. I don't want to be

1051
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 1: politically correct. I don't want to be. I don't want

1052
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 1: to because I could trust me that guy right there

1053
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 1: that he had the left leg now wasn't the most exciting.

1054
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 1: He took the world by story man and his style.

1055
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 1: He just changed the culture. We all know. Mike was

1056
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 1: like you know, Mike was different, like Dr j was

1057
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 1: Dr Jake. Then Mike came with the whole you know

1058
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 1: what I mean, everything else, you know, different, a little different.

1059
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 1: And then Vince took it to another level of the

1060
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 1: mike that excitement to it, but excitement to it, and

1061
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 1: then that and then his his jumble was so pretty.

1062
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 1: His handle was so crazy. First step was crazy. His

1063
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: first step was so crazy because if you get by

1064
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 1: you you know what, you know what's going off that's

1065
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 1: gonna happen. I just don't want people to not recognize

1066
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 1: with andre Igu Dolla was or is as far as leaping,

1067
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like I remember him, you know,

1068
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 1: he telling me, man, all you gotta do, Chuck is

1069
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 1: work on your legs. Is work on your legs. I'm like, man,

1070
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 1: I'm not lifting no weights. Like why you don't want

1071
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 1: to live weights, man, because they too damn heavy, you

1072
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I don't live weights and they're

1073
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 1: too heavy, you know what I mean? But he being there,

1074
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 1: man with his trainer, and I just seen him do

1075
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 1: so many things man, like just getting off the floor, man,

1076
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 1: like get his head on the room. I remember, remember

1077
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 1: when you you were working on throwing, you just throw

1078
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 1: it here and he would come from underneath the bobbles

1079
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 1: over the team. That then you got to practice that

1080
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 1: ship at practice. Just throw it here? You where you

1081
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 1: want me to throw it? Mocking chuck, throw it off.

1082
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 1: The back side was the back of the side side

1083
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 1: of it. Come underneath that. That left leg was unreal. Man,

1084
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 1: his left leg was so crazy. But he can go

1085
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 1: off too, but his left there's a one foot. And

1086
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 1: that's the person who had a lot of people don't realize,

1087
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 1: who had a lot of game, but just always played

1088
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 1: his role wherever he was at. He was never really

1089
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 1: asked to go get it, get it, but he could

1090
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 1: if you needed to. I think he was count he

1091
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 1: was just he was a superstar. He played the superstar

1092
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 1: road when I left for a little bit up when

1093
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:10,919
Speaker 1: I left. Yeah, he took the cake. You guys, run

1094
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 1: into the Lakers in the two thousand one finals, go

1095
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 1: into l A get game one and then another moment

1096
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 1: that would have been it still is infamous. But if

1097
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 1: social media was back then, when you hit the jumper

1098
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 1: on til and stepped over, I mean that still gets

1099
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 1: played daily looking back, but not almost twenty years ago.

1100
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 1: What do you think about that? I don't like it

1101
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 1: really because I love him. I'm about to say that's

1102
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 1: his boy, you know what I mean? Like do you

1103
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 1: think tu had braids? Yeah, and he was giving me.

1104
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 1: He was giving me so many problems. Man, he was

1105
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 1: he was straight dog and he was he was harassing

1106
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 1: me so much. He was playing you in practice. Yeah,

1107
01:04:57,120 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 1: and he was just on me so much. And what's

1108
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 1: so crazy, Matt, I don't know how it happened. It's like,

1109
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 1: you know, okay, you think a monumental moment with Lebron

1110
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 1: when he did that, you know what I mean, But

1111
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 1: he probably didn't know he was getting ready to do that,

1112
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like the moment and just

1113
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 1: the feeling, like when I stepped over him, it was

1114
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 1: like I ain't know I did it, and then they

1115
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:30,439
Speaker 1: try to get me to mimic the ship years later,

1116
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 1: like I don't even know how to do it, you

1117
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 1: know what I mean, because it was like I know,

1118
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 1: y'all know, you know what I mean. But just for

1119
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 1: everybody else that you know that didn't play, you don't

1120
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 1: know when you're gonna do something. You don't know the

1121
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:47,919
Speaker 1: emotions in the game or what go on throughout the game.

1122
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 1: It can be a coach that piss you off, you

1123
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 1: know what I mean, and then you react a certain way,

1124
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 1: you know, to basically telling him, yeah, you know what

1125
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:59,439
Speaker 1: I mean, Look what I did? You know what I mean?

1126
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 1: Like you don't, you don't know, so I don't. I don't, Man,

1127
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 1: I don't even that moment. Yeah it was. It was

1128
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 1: dope when you look back on it. But I just

1129
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 1: don't like it because like my homeboy one day, he

1130
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 1: made me so mad. We was playing. Um was he

1131
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 1: did he used to coach Boston or somebody um time

1132
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 1: m hm. Anyway, he was in the building and the

1133
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 1: pictures they had the pictures, you know what I mean,

1134
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 1: in the in the arena, and my homeboy's gonna tell

1135
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 1: him to sign it. Man. I got so mad and

1136
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 1: my custom out so bad. Man, Man, I got so mad.

1137
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 1: What was it like playing against Shaq and Kobe and

1138
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 1: they're prime with them with those Laker teams? Terrible I have, Um,

1139
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 1: I think I have a championship ring on if Shaq

1140
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 1: wasn't who he was in that series and it was

1141
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:52,440
Speaker 1: crazy is people were saying the Ken Bay had a

1142
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 1: great series, But I don't know how you had a

1143
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 1: great series if the guy you've gotten averaging thirty and fifteen,

1144
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 1: but Shaq had his way with damn near everybody. Then

1145
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, especially two thousand and one

1146
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 1: and Cold. That was the first of the three p right,

1147
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 1: I was the first one of the second one, the

1148
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 1: second of the three, the second one. Remember they were

1149
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 1: undefeated in the playoffs until they came in and got

1150
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:20,400
Speaker 1: game like. They were just rolling, you know what I mean, running,

1151
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 1: and then it was it was just it was just

1152
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 1: too much Shock in his prime. And then you got

1153
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 1: Kobe and his prime scary damn man, you know what

1154
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 1: I mean. And then all you gotta have is other

1155
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 1: guys out there, fish them dudes playing their roles. They defense.

1156
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 1: Who was Homie Hory but pretty boy Fox, pretty Rick

1157
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:52,000
Speaker 1: Fox out there. And then all y'all gotta do is

1158
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:56,440
Speaker 1: make wide open shots. You're getting millions of dollars to

1159
01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 1: just get the shots. Them three throws. How you going

1160
01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 1: to be Kobe getting on the attention, shot getting all attention.

1161
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:07,080
Speaker 1: You can't double Shock, And if you don't double them,

1162
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 1: it's a barbecue chicken. You gotta double Kobe because if

1163
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 1: you don't, that's and it might be three or two. Yeah,

1164
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:17,479
Speaker 1: it's gonna be three a lot of time, and it's

1165
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:20,639
Speaker 1: gonna be three a lot of you know what I mean.

1166
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:24,720
Speaker 1: So it's like, then you got fish just relent his

1167
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:26,760
Speaker 1: on D. You know what I mean? He playing hard

1168
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 1: at hell on D was the definitely George B. Shaw.

1169
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 1: I know Jr. Riders on that team, but he was

1170
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:36,640
Speaker 1: just in street club. Yeah, Ji Joan playing but it

1171
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 1: was it was somebody else George too, Yeah, but Devin

1172
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:48,720
Speaker 1: George did it, did it. It was tough to get

1173
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:50,560
Speaker 1: the team you got there was. It was impressive. In

1174
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:53,600
Speaker 1: a show two thousand sixteen, you get the call that

1175
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:55,719
Speaker 1: you're going to the Hall of Fame. I know you cried,

1176
01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 1: But what was going through your head initially, just after

1177
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 1: all the ship you had been through nearly the world,

1178
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:04,120
Speaker 1: never even knowing Allen I Prison, to go into Georgetown,

1179
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 1: to becoming the number one pick there, all the accolades

1180
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 1: you accumulated across your career, to get that finally get

1181
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 1: that nod. You've spoken about it in two thousand one.

1182
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:13,840
Speaker 1: I've been the baddest motherfucker. I finally got recognized. And

1183
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 1: then the all costs. When I heard the phone ring

1184
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:22,640
Speaker 1: ship might sound arrogant, cocky, I knew it. I knew it.

1185
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 1: I said this, I said this it and then I

1186
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 1: just hugged her and you know, we cried and it

1187
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 1: was like I did it, you know what I mean,

1188
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 1: Like I did it. All we want to do is

1189
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 1: make it to the biggest stage and dance. All we

1190
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 1: really want. Like people talk about, you know, my most

1191
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:45,599
Speaker 1: memorable moment, it was getting drafted. But then something like

1192
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:48,840
Speaker 1: that is not one layer of icing on the cake,

1193
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:52,800
Speaker 1: you know, a hundred layers of icing on the cake,

1194
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:57,679
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And it's like yeah, yeah, Matt, yeah,

1195
01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 1: Steve Man, she just says, ain't better than Ai. Man,

1196
01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 1: he's better than Ai. Well, my homeboy in the Hall

1197
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 1: of Fame. And then what such your sense is gonna

1198
01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 1: be in the Hall of fame. I we had this conversation,

1199
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like you know, the barber

1200
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:16,960
Speaker 1: shops and the beauty salons. Is like, man, you can

1201
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 1: say what you want to say about homeboy, but here

1202
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:21,200
Speaker 1: hall of famers. You know what I mean, you could

1203
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:25,280
Speaker 1: talk about man. Man he shot too much. Man, he

1204
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 1: he turned the ball over too much. He he wasn't

1205
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:32,559
Speaker 1: a team player, all right, man, Well, ain't too many dudes.

1206
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 1: Hall of famers. Man, what do you do? What you've done?

1207
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 1: Whatever you done, and what did you do? How good

1208
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 1: of you did you make? What did you do? Yeah?

1209
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:44,240
Speaker 1: You got come from your church league team? Yeah? Man,

1210
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 1: who you play for? Right now? Well? Are you talking

1211
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:49,280
Speaker 1: about this Hall of Famer? Man? I get in that.

1212
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:52,519
Speaker 1: I get in that realm when I'm watching games. And

1213
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 1: that's why I'll never be a commentator, because I don't

1214
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:58,879
Speaker 1: I don't like, I don't like talking ship about nobody.

1215
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 1: I look at it, like, how can you say an

1216
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:06,559
Speaker 1: NBA players some ship made on the highest level days,

1217
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:13,680
Speaker 1: what do he would do to us? But they they

1218
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:17,559
Speaker 1: they're great to you? But yeah, yeah, yeah, Like like

1219
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:20,920
Speaker 1: do you know what he would do the last person

1220
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:23,559
Speaker 1: on the bench with a do you know he would

1221
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 1: do in in the gym? You know what I mean?

1222
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:30,760
Speaker 1: On the wreck league court or you know, just a

1223
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 1: pick up game? Do you know what I to do

1224
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:35,479
Speaker 1: to you? For the world? There's only four hundred in

1225
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:38,600
Speaker 1: the whole entirely world, four hundred fifty four fifty and

1226
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:41,720
Speaker 1: the whole telling that all the time, man. And that's

1227
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 1: I mean. And that's why me and Jack are really

1228
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 1: in this media space now because I get tired of

1229
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:48,639
Speaker 1: hearing people who never accomplished nothing like you can disagree

1230
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 1: or not like someone's game, but just the form of

1231
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 1: disrespect that's not needed. Like you cannot like something, you

1232
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:55,960
Speaker 1: don't have to disrespect it. And it's crazy that the

1233
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 1: amount of disrespect what comes from my fucker's who've never

1234
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 1: done nothing, not them the reason why you talk about

1235
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:03,639
Speaker 1: sports because you weren't good enough to play it. They

1236
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:06,600
Speaker 1: wake up in the morning moving their closed basket, but

1237
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:09,439
Speaker 1: they can't throw a sock in the basket, you know.

1238
01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 1: But they want to talk about somebody not making a

1239
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:15,160
Speaker 1: shot of that. Listen, that's crazy. I know this. God,

1240
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:18,559
Speaker 1: it's one guy that I want you to I'm looking

1241
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 1: what Camera'm gonna looking at you. I'm supposed to look

1242
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 1: at one guy. I know you know who I'm talking to.

1243
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 1: I know, I know you hate me, and trust me.

1244
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 1: Trust me. I don't hate nobody, Yes I do, I

1245
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 1: hate you. It's one guy that you know I'm talking

1246
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:41,479
Speaker 1: to that they're talking about right now. I know to

1247
01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 1: one guy. Know that it ain't who you think it is.

1248
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 1: I don't have I don't I love I got love

1249
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 1: of Skip. I got love a Skip. So you know,

1250
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:55,400
Speaker 1: I know people think it's Skip. It's not you. You

1251
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But it's a guy to do

1252
01:12:57,439 --> 01:13:00,880
Speaker 1: exactly what you do, and just trust me the way

1253
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:04,800
Speaker 1: you hate me, motherfucker, I hate you too, you know

1254
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:07,679
Speaker 1: what I mean. The feeling is so mutual. And and

1255
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:10,720
Speaker 1: you don't help me, and I don't hope you And

1256
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 1: I'm fine. I'm fine out here regardless of how much

1257
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 1: you talk about me. All right, all right, just know

1258
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, and I ain't And I'm not

1259
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 1: mentioning your name because I only want the whole world

1260
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:26,599
Speaker 1: to even know that God them and I give you

1261
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:30,760
Speaker 1: that type of love. But you know, you know, you know,

1262
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 1: you would not know what's going on. Oh, and you

1263
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 1: and your daddy, you ain't your dad, both the both

1264
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:40,080
Speaker 1: of you, both of you, both, both of you, both

1265
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:41,599
Speaker 1: of you. When I come in, I want two and

1266
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 1: three to bothe for both you ain't you, ain't your

1267
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 1: daddy and and and and the world can figure it out.

1268
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:53,760
Speaker 1: But I ain't saying your name. And you did Hall

1269
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 1: of Fame class um obviously resting peace star brother Koble're

1270
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:00,080
Speaker 1: gonna get to him in a second. But k g

1271
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 1: uh duncan what was it like playing with those guys?

1272
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 1: I know you've had battles with all of them, Okay,

1273
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 1: Tim was one of the greatest teammates I ever had,

1274
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:16,640
Speaker 1: and I played with him in Me and Tim was

1275
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 1: the only ones to go after someone's going on overseas

1276
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:23,679
Speaker 1: or something, and me and Tim was the only ones

1277
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 1: that ended up going. The original team didn't go so

1278
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:32,000
Speaker 1: put together the whole team. Le Bron was on the team,

1279
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:36,160
Speaker 1: mellow the way, but they was, you know, you know

1280
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:40,160
Speaker 1: what I mean. And I just remember Tim telling me

1281
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 1: because we had a hard time was getting I asked

1282
01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:47,439
Speaker 1: with and I had um. I remember just Tim telling me, Man,

1283
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:51,599
Speaker 1: play like you play, you know, play like the past

1284
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:54,320
Speaker 1: you were to us when we were you know what

1285
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:57,000
Speaker 1: I mean. Don't be out here trying to play another

1286
01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,639
Speaker 1: way because we're playing with a you know, a whole

1287
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:02,080
Speaker 1: bunch of Olympians, you know what I mean. And I

1288
01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 1: just remember him being such a great teammate. I remember

1289
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:13,360
Speaker 1: m we were in our dorm, I will sleep and

1290
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 1: I woke up and I had peanut butter between my

1291
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 1: feet and all in my hands and the motherfucker tickling

1292
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:24,679
Speaker 1: my taking my face. Yeah, and I slapped my face,

1293
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 1: peanut butter and ship everywhere. And I ain't gonna tell

1294
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:29,920
Speaker 1: you the story that happened after that. I let that

1295
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:32,360
Speaker 1: person if they want to tell that story, I let

1296
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 1: them tell it. Tim snitched on who did it? I

1297
01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:42,439
Speaker 1: told you and he gave it up. And trust me,

1298
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 1: something happened, something happened at that. You've asked him about

1299
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:50,400
Speaker 1: it or you asked the person that that that the altercation?

1300
01:15:53,280 --> 01:16:01,240
Speaker 1: Huh man did it? Answer? I have the answer, yes, no,

1301
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:05,000
Speaker 1: Jim said, Jim. You know you know um dudes that

1302
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:09,800
Speaker 1: that know me, don't call me, Alan will call me. AI.

1303
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:13,920
Speaker 1: People about Tim though, Tim is not scary, no at all.

1304
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:18,280
Speaker 1: He's not a scary guy. He know do the UFC

1305
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:21,519
Speaker 1: fighting all that now. Tim has always been an action junkie.

1306
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 1: He is totally obviously what people think here know, not

1307
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 1: scary atoll And you said KG official block family official

1308
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:34,760
Speaker 1: block family man. My girl When me and my girl

1309
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:38,400
Speaker 1: get into it, she always she don't never you know,

1310
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 1: because I say, I don't like the word real because

1311
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:42,840
Speaker 1: I think it's fake, you know what I mean? But

1312
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:45,360
Speaker 1: she has say why you got a tattooed on you?

1313
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:47,200
Speaker 1: You know I got the realist tattooed on my back.

1314
01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:51,680
Speaker 1: But so authentic, man, he's so authentic. I gotta use

1315
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 1: the word real. Just real, man, just just just he

1316
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 1: just cage all the time, you know what I mean.

1317
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:01,799
Speaker 1: And then and and he used to confuse me because

1318
01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:04,240
Speaker 1: he would say, what's up to you in the beginning

1319
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:10,840
Speaker 1: of the game, and then after that, you fuck you?

1320
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:13,680
Speaker 1: Especially at the jump ball he talked to himself he

1321
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 1: might not shake your hand, none of that, none of that,

1322
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:19,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, look, I couldn't believe.

1323
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe. I just remember one game with Keith

1324
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:29,240
Speaker 1: van Horn and he was killing Keith, but he was

1325
01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:33,679
Speaker 1: what he was saying to yeah, like after he scored

1326
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:37,559
Speaker 1: on him, what are he was saying? And I'm like, yo, man,

1327
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:40,200
Speaker 1: I'm and I'm and I'm honestly I'm looking at the

1328
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:43,400
Speaker 1: referees like let this go. Yeah, you can just he can.

1329
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:46,760
Speaker 1: He can talk like this. He got You're right, he

1330
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:48,880
Speaker 1: got away. He want a person to talk track all

1331
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:52,960
Speaker 1: time and got away with it. No, because because the person,

1332
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:57,000
Speaker 1: the young bull that reminds me of him is Westbrook.

1333
01:17:57,479 --> 01:18:04,519
Speaker 1: Because Westbrook language if when you do certain stuff it's outrageous,

1334
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:07,920
Speaker 1: like when you get a one or he dunk or something.

1335
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:12,559
Speaker 1: He just and I'm like when I was playing, like

1336
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:20,560
Speaker 1: if I said the word motherfucker, or nigga like that. Man, what, Yeah,

1337
01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:23,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a short leah, you know what I mean.

1338
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:27,760
Speaker 1: And I'm like KG was just vicious, but he was

1339
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:33,120
Speaker 1: so bad his mid range game. I mean he'll get

1340
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:34,680
Speaker 1: a bit off the glass and push it all the

1341
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:40,320
Speaker 1: way up court at seven foot, I mean, could do everything. Man,

1342
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 1: could do everything out there on the basketball court. Man,

1343
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:45,559
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I played against him in

1344
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:50,080
Speaker 1: the Nike All American Game and he was just his

1345
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:54,160
Speaker 1: energy and everything was the same way. He's a Hall

1346
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:58,080
Speaker 1: of Fame, I mean for that's first ballot, right, I

1347
01:18:58,120 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 1: mean rightfully. So he was so dope, you know what

1348
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 1: I mean. And and you remember KG was crazy when

1349
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:15,639
Speaker 1: all the fools was grazy. Yeah, she ye, I mean

1350
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:20,720
Speaker 1: I mean them them All Star games with them four

1351
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:29,880
Speaker 1: man during that Aaron crazy. Come on, Mann, I love

1352
01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:35,120
Speaker 1: you KG man right. And and and congratulations man, yes, yes,

1353
01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:40,720
Speaker 1: congratulations absolutely Before we get to yeah, before we get

1354
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:42,960
Speaker 1: to code, you wrote a letter for the players troupe

1355
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:45,479
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna read it, uh titled the Code. It

1356
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:48,040
Speaker 1: was like heavyweight fighters beating the hell out of one another,

1357
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:50,960
Speaker 1: and then the bell was nothing but loving respect, greatness,

1358
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:54,000
Speaker 1: needed company. We needed each other. Mike needed Prince like

1359
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:56,880
Speaker 1: Prince needed Mike. Tyson needed holy feel like holy Field

1360
01:19:56,880 --> 01:20:00,320
Speaker 1: needed Tyson. Talk to us about your relationship wait Hope,

1361
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:03,400
Speaker 1: and what it was like going to war with him

1362
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:07,920
Speaker 1: over all these years. I didn't have a personal relationship

1363
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 1: with him. But you know how killers respect killers. You

1364
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:14,240
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And that's and that's what it was.

1365
01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 1: He knew who I was, I know who he is.

1366
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:20,200
Speaker 1: He gave me that push. I gave it to him.

1367
01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:24,920
Speaker 1: I love the stories that people give me that were teammates,

1368
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:27,680
Speaker 1: that were friends. I love the stories. I wouldn't say

1369
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:31,640
Speaker 1: it bother me, but um, I wish I could have

1370
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:36,680
Speaker 1: had a better relationship with him. Um as far as

1371
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:40,720
Speaker 1: how great other people said he was, I want that

1372
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:45,280
Speaker 1: energy around me. He was just Yeah, he was the ultimate.

1373
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:51,160
Speaker 1: He was the ultimate competitive man. Like you're lucky six

1374
01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 1: eight six six. That's what he always That's what that

1375
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:58,519
Speaker 1: man said. When I heard that, it made me feel

1376
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:04,040
Speaker 1: so good. It because the respect that that he gave me.

1377
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:07,200
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, just like Max. You know,

1378
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:10,800
Speaker 1: I watched First Take, and you know I listened to

1379
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:13,040
Speaker 1: Steve and Max go at it. A lot of people

1380
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:17,360
Speaker 1: don't rock with Max. But I love Max because Max

1381
01:21:17,479 --> 01:21:19,360
Speaker 1: Max always take up and me don't. I don't like

1382
01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:27,920
Speaker 1: the other guy, home boy. Okay, let's get back on track.

1383
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:32,840
Speaker 1: I would go all the way off, all right. But

1384
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:37,759
Speaker 1: he said something like, if Kobe and somebody had a baby,

1385
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:41,000
Speaker 1: you know, it would be me, you know whatever. And

1386
01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:45,080
Speaker 1: you know, just for people to put me in the

1387
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:50,120
Speaker 1: same sentence with cod just just make me feel good

1388
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:56,200
Speaker 1: about my grind, my mom, my family, my teammates, y'all,

1389
01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:59,719
Speaker 1: my homeboys. Just it's just it's a tribute to y'all,

1390
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:02,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. For a month sucker to

1391
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 1: put me in the same category as Kobe Bryant, Like,

1392
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 1: that's so dope to me. Is this story true? Our

1393
01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 1: story that I heard that you landed in l A

1394
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:16,360
Speaker 1: and Kobe picked you up he lacked range roll. Yeah,

1395
01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:18,519
Speaker 1: he picked you up because he wanted He just wanted

1396
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:20,840
Speaker 1: to chop it up with you. And after y'all go

1397
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:23,200
Speaker 1: out to eat or whatever you decided to go out,

1398
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 1: he tell your ass, I'm dropping you off to the hotel.

1399
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:28,000
Speaker 1: This is my stop. I'm going to work out, I'm

1400
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:31,120
Speaker 1: going to the gym. Is that true story? He took

1401
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:35,200
Speaker 1: me out to eat? And I said, what you're getting

1402
01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:39,080
Speaker 1: ready to do? I'm going to the club, and he said,

1403
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:42,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to the gym. And that was him. That

1404
01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:46,680
Speaker 1: was that was that, that's that's that's what made I

1405
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:49,360
Speaker 1: mean that greatness. That's that's where that greatness came from

1406
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:53,320
Speaker 1: because his work ethics was just. But I guarantee you

1407
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:55,559
Speaker 1: it's probably a hand full of people on the other

1408
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:57,680
Speaker 1: team that he was playing that he did that that

1409
01:22:57,720 --> 01:22:59,760
Speaker 1: he can't because you know, Kobe, he ain't talking to

1410
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:02,360
Speaker 1: no to do the game, damn sure, not about another team.

1411
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:10,200
Speaker 1: So I'm just saying that show respect. He hap up nobody. Yeah,

1412
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:16,080
Speaker 1: he was studying the whole time, was saying, oh bullshit,

1413
01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:18,040
Speaker 1: that's how he was. He was. He was a sick

1414
01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:19,600
Speaker 1: oh when it came to that kind of ship, like

1415
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:22,559
Speaker 1: trying to find any kind of advantage or angle he

1416
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:24,680
Speaker 1: could possibly get. Like I got stories when I got

1417
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:26,240
Speaker 1: a chance to play with him, and just to see

1418
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:31,120
Speaker 1: what he would do to study people, study films. We're

1419
01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:34,280
Speaker 1: flying to Spain one time too, in the preseason. I've

1420
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:35,880
Speaker 1: told the story before, but he had I thought he

1421
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:37,600
Speaker 1: was over there wrapping everyone was sleep. I went over

1422
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:38,840
Speaker 1: to talk to him. I was about to talk to

1423
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:41,040
Speaker 1: ship to him about rapping, but he was over there

1424
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:43,320
Speaker 1: with a piece of paper, like thirty different basketball courts

1425
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:46,240
Speaker 1: on and he's just like, I know that I'm gonna

1426
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 1: draw the least three people. So I got the guy

1427
01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:50,519
Speaker 1: guarding me, the guy that's coming to double and in

1428
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:52,639
Speaker 1: the help side. So I'm over here looking to see

1429
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 1: where you l O Ron, Steve Fish are all going

1430
01:23:56,520 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 1: to be open at when I'm guarding my three people.

1431
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:00,720
Speaker 1: And he had like thirty different courts of this where

1432
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:02,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna be. This is where l was gonna. I'm

1433
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:04,519
Speaker 1: just like, what the fuck? Like, why are we flying?

1434
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:06,880
Speaker 1: Like everyone else knocked out? I couldn't sleep. But it

1435
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:08,600
Speaker 1: was just like little things like that. And then I

1436
01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:10,120
Speaker 1: would go to Orange County and work out with him

1437
01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:11,760
Speaker 1: and we're on the track before the sun comes up.

1438
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:14,040
Speaker 1: And then we left white so hard that all right,

1439
01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:16,160
Speaker 1: let's go shoot them like fun, I can't lift my arms.

1440
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:18,160
Speaker 1: You want me to go shoot a basketball right now?

1441
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:23,920
Speaker 1: Like his grind was sickning sickning. Yeah, that that was

1442
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:27,240
Speaker 1: his thing. Man Rest in peace to coach, Rest in peace,

1443
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:30,960
Speaker 1: man definitely rest in peace. Mount Rushmore. He on that

1444
01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:33,759
Speaker 1: round on that on that and on that Mount Rushmore

1445
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:39,080
Speaker 1: up dead. That's I mean, my favorite. You know, it's

1446
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:42,920
Speaker 1: always gonna be Mike, you know what I mean. Kobe,

1447
01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:45,799
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, My my one and two,

1448
01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:49,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And Lebron, you know what

1449
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:53,040
Speaker 1: I mean, just so so great. But with Mike and

1450
01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:56,080
Speaker 1: Kobe did to me mentally, you know you did everybody else,

1451
01:24:57,439 --> 01:25:01,200
Speaker 1: you and everybody else. Yeah, and my mind sucked all

1452
01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:05,120
Speaker 1: of us. I'll just tell you, Bron, you got Mike one,

1453
01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:08,960
Speaker 1: code to Brown three, Yeah, I got I got Brown three. Ken,

1454
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:11,719
Speaker 1: Bron hop Kobe in your eyes, finishing out his career

1455
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:15,519
Speaker 1: in any kind of aspect. No, I'm not as great

1456
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:18,519
Speaker 1: as he is. I'm just not gonna do it, just

1457
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:21,479
Speaker 1: because when Lebron was talking about me, you know, saying

1458
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:23,560
Speaker 1: like he wanted to be me, he didn't want to

1459
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:26,280
Speaker 1: be Mike. And it ain't no it's no because you

1460
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:28,080
Speaker 1: know how much he loved Mike, So it ain't it

1461
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:30,680
Speaker 1: ain't no disrespect, you know what I mean. It's just

1462
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:35,480
Speaker 1: I just I just love Mike so much, and Kobe

1463
01:25:36,040 --> 01:25:38,479
Speaker 1: is the closest thing to me, to Mike and me,

1464
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:44,280
Speaker 1: and then Lebron is just Brons down Lebron James like

1465
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:47,880
Speaker 1: he's in a class by himself, you know what I mean?

1466
01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:52,000
Speaker 1: And then you know shot and I just yeah, I

1467
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:55,680
Speaker 1: know how I feel about Steph Kerry, but that motherfucker

1468
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:58,719
Speaker 1: Dame Dollar, he feels step for the same way about

1469
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:00,479
Speaker 1: you though, I tell you that you had him on

1470
01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:05,040
Speaker 1: the show about you away now it's dope. It was

1471
01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:07,759
Speaker 1: definitely to see his reaction to see who step is today,

1472
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:09,720
Speaker 1: but then to see how it almost he went back

1473
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:11,600
Speaker 1: to a child when he said, you know when you

1474
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:14,920
Speaker 1: put him in in your your top five starting five,

1475
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:16,559
Speaker 1: like he said, he should have seen the league. You

1476
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:19,120
Speaker 1: should have seen his face, bro, he what you mean

1477
01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:26,320
Speaker 1: you think I don't want this? This is my ship too. Now,

1478
01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:30,799
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't watch it all. Every single

1479
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:34,280
Speaker 1: one ain't gonna continue to do it because it's the best.

1480
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:38,879
Speaker 1: You don't get no relig this. So you're credited obviously

1481
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:40,720
Speaker 1: as you should be, as someone who bridges the gap

1482
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 1: between culture and sports. From like what we touched on earlier,

1483
01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 1: way you dressed your tattoos, your braids, your do rags.

1484
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:53,639
Speaker 1: What do you think about from what? And and really

1485
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:57,360
Speaker 1: because I think they started the NBA dress code because

1486
01:26:57,360 --> 01:27:02,400
Speaker 1: you're right. What what do you think about from where

1487
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:06,479
Speaker 1: it was into what it is now? About fashion? I

1488
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:10,920
Speaker 1: love it, you love I love it, And I don't

1489
01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:14,960
Speaker 1: tell nobody how to dress. Man, leave people alone and

1490
01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:17,759
Speaker 1: let people dress and be who they are spressed themselves.

1491
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:22,559
Speaker 1: People be like what and be comfortable? Be comfortable. You're

1492
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:27,360
Speaker 1: gonna tell me what to wear to go play basketball? Right?

1493
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like? How are you gonna

1494
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:33,000
Speaker 1: tell me what to wear to go to work? You

1495
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:35,080
Speaker 1: know what I mean? When when you know I can,

1496
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:40,120
Speaker 1: I can understand if you're a lawyer something like that.

1497
01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:43,120
Speaker 1: You ain't come to court with a sweats don't you

1498
01:27:43,160 --> 01:27:46,599
Speaker 1: know what I mean? I understand that. But man, I'm

1499
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:49,320
Speaker 1: just I'm coming to play basketball. I'm coming to be comfortable.

1500
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:52,240
Speaker 1: I'm coming to get ready, and I want to be cool.

1501
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:55,000
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I want to be cool

1502
01:27:55,560 --> 01:27:58,519
Speaker 1: for the people to see me. I want to be cool.

1503
01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:02,240
Speaker 1: You know, when I leave a crib and my girl

1504
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:05,479
Speaker 1: think I'm cool. I want to be cool from when

1505
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:08,760
Speaker 1: my teammates see me and see me looking cool. You

1506
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:11,000
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Let me be fresh man. Don't

1507
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:15,040
Speaker 1: have me looking like everybody else? Look right? You know

1508
01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:17,680
Speaker 1: what I mean, don't have me looking like everybody else. Look.

1509
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:21,680
Speaker 1: Me and the Kim Bay don't dress it like. You

1510
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:26,080
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It's still shopping with ard. We

1511
01:28:26,200 --> 01:28:30,320
Speaker 1: just talking about the Walkers talk, don't We don't. We

1512
01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:33,280
Speaker 1: don't dress it like. But but but me and the

1513
01:28:33,400 --> 01:28:35,680
Speaker 1: Kim Bay play the same. Shopped at something the same,

1514
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:38,519
Speaker 1: everybody shopped the carry got the Walkers. Yeah, we all

1515
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:45,040
Speaker 1: had walker Yeah. Yes, sir, yes, sir, yes sir. Me

1516
01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:48,040
Speaker 1: and the kim Bay we play the same, you know

1517
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:50,719
Speaker 1: what I mean. Me and Aaron McKee, we don't dress

1518
01:28:51,240 --> 01:28:53,559
Speaker 1: I like me and Eric Snow don't dress it like,

1519
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:57,840
Speaker 1: but we play the same. Ship. We played hard, you

1520
01:28:57,880 --> 01:28:59,680
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But we don't supposed to this

1521
01:28:59,680 --> 01:29:05,439
Speaker 1: ain't that ain't the all thing ship Aaron McKee don't today.

1522
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:09,480
Speaker 1: You don't dress like a I. You don't dress like Ananboson.

1523
01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:16,400
Speaker 1: He dressed like Aaron McKay. What shout out. You also

1524
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:19,600
Speaker 1: made it fashionable on the court. Um most people don't know,

1525
01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:22,960
Speaker 1: like the sleeve that you wore to help you're you're

1526
01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:25,479
Speaker 1: protecting them elbows. But then that became a fashion statement.

1527
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:27,880
Speaker 1: I mean, although headbands were worn before you, you made

1528
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:32,439
Speaker 1: the headband dope again the Cliff Robinson Rest in peace,

1529
01:29:32,680 --> 01:29:37,000
Speaker 1: Uncle Cliff. The headbands are trends. You've done. You signed

1530
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:41,080
Speaker 1: a lifelong deal with Reebok um, So that's dope continuing

1531
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:43,280
Speaker 1: to drop shoes. What what has that relationship been like?

1532
01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:45,400
Speaker 1: And how important has the Reebok family been to you

1533
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:49,320
Speaker 1: over your career? I love them so much because even

1534
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:55,280
Speaker 1: with new um ownership, they maintained the same relationship with me,

1535
01:29:56,120 --> 01:29:59,040
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. They understand that I'm reboked.

1536
01:29:59,240 --> 01:30:02,200
Speaker 1: And when you think about Rebok, that's all you think

1537
01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:04,719
Speaker 1: about is Alan Ives. I don't care how many people,

1538
01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:08,479
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I don't care how many

1539
01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:13,439
Speaker 1: people come and joined the company or whatever. Man, I

1540
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:18,480
Speaker 1: already know that I'm rebuked, and the relationship has basically

1541
01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:22,400
Speaker 1: maintained even with my retirement. And that's what I think

1542
01:30:22,479 --> 01:30:24,920
Speaker 1: is so awesome. I think that's so dope. The guys

1543
01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:29,040
Speaker 1: that I work with, Alan Brown, beautiful guy. We came.

1544
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:33,479
Speaker 1: I know, we've been business spart this for years, but

1545
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:37,320
Speaker 1: we're homeboys now. And that's cool, you know what I mean?

1546
01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:40,920
Speaker 1: Like we're homeboys, like I call him. We talked about

1547
01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:45,800
Speaker 1: other things beside business um, but yeah, matt Man. I

1548
01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:49,040
Speaker 1: love rebok. They always stuck by me. I love money,

1549
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:52,080
Speaker 1: so they make me love him bore. Yeah, and uh,

1550
01:30:52,280 --> 01:30:54,800
Speaker 1: we didn't put this on here, but we have a

1551
01:30:54,840 --> 01:30:57,760
Speaker 1: begging segment that we're gonna get started up one episode two,

1552
01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:01,240
Speaker 1: season two and read about give y'all watching, because I

1553
01:31:01,240 --> 01:31:06,519
Speaker 1: know y'all watching. It's a lot of flavors questions that's

1554
01:31:06,520 --> 01:31:10,240
Speaker 1: out there. I need all of them, every last every

1555
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:14,599
Speaker 1: last one of them. Okay, Mo just left so I couldn't.

1556
01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:16,679
Speaker 1: I couldn't get it to him in time. But reboke,

1557
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:21,400
Speaker 1: I know y'all watching, all right. He took a picture

1558
01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:24,080
Speaker 1: recently on this page where he's somewhere in the rebox

1559
01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:26,360
Speaker 1: store and they got all these different colors questions. Okay,

1560
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:30,639
Speaker 1: we need those right here, baby those Yeah. We're both

1561
01:31:30,640 --> 01:31:36,960
Speaker 1: fourteen too, So you heard it from the one closing out. Um,

1562
01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:40,479
Speaker 1: Like I said, obviously, you bridge the gap between culture music. Obviously,

1563
01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:42,559
Speaker 1: what was it like when you just still up to

1564
01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:45,200
Speaker 1: this day hear your name dropped in songs over and

1565
01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:48,280
Speaker 1: and who was the favorite name dropped? That was the

1566
01:31:48,280 --> 01:31:55,120
Speaker 1: coldest commercial ever? To me? You answered it? That was it? Well? Yeah,

1567
01:31:55,240 --> 01:32:01,760
Speaker 1: you answered you answered it? Um, No, him, but like

1568
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:08,840
Speaker 1: he's he's in my top five favorite rappers that that

1569
01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:11,559
Speaker 1: that meant a whole lot to mew that come about.

1570
01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:14,479
Speaker 1: We need to recreate that five. They just they just

1571
01:32:14,640 --> 01:32:17,720
Speaker 1: um they wanted to do. They wanted to do what

1572
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:19,840
Speaker 1: we wanted to do. What they wanted to do, something

1573
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:23,120
Speaker 1: different than they were always open, we walk always open

1574
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:25,880
Speaker 1: to letting me be me, you know what I mean.

1575
01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:29,439
Speaker 1: They don't try to, you know, market me or promote

1576
01:32:29,479 --> 01:32:34,280
Speaker 1: me as no one other than who I am. And

1577
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:38,360
Speaker 1: that's why the relationship is, you know, outstanding the way

1578
01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:42,960
Speaker 1: it is. Red Man, mm hmmmmm red Man, red Man?

1579
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:46,240
Speaker 1: Is he he's in my top five? To give me

1580
01:32:46,280 --> 01:32:52,120
Speaker 1: your top five? Like the rapper White Iris, I like, Um,

1581
01:32:52,160 --> 01:32:55,439
Speaker 1: I like that song shout out post what what what? What? What?

1582
01:32:55,479 --> 01:32:58,880
Speaker 1: Bothers me? When I do my top five? Is I

1583
01:32:59,040 --> 01:33:04,200
Speaker 1: leave out somebody? I leave out? I leave out great.

1584
01:33:04,439 --> 01:33:09,160
Speaker 1: What I would say without naming a top five is

1585
01:33:09,439 --> 01:33:13,200
Speaker 1: the rap game is just basically like the NBA when

1586
01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:15,479
Speaker 1: lebron Lee, you know what I mean, it's in good hands.

1587
01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:18,400
Speaker 1: Just so much talent coming through. I mean, little baby

1588
01:33:18,439 --> 01:33:22,000
Speaker 1: just came out of nowhere and we all like yo,

1589
01:33:22,479 --> 01:33:24,519
Speaker 1: and he started in his music. Guy, he started to

1590
01:33:24,520 --> 01:33:26,479
Speaker 1: put substance in his music too. That's why he really

1591
01:33:26,479 --> 01:33:28,680
Speaker 1: took off. You know what I mean. You know what

1592
01:33:28,720 --> 01:33:32,360
Speaker 1: I mean. It's dudes, it's I mean, it'sn't man. The

1593
01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:34,720
Speaker 1: world is in good hands, man, you know what I mean.

1594
01:33:34,760 --> 01:33:38,000
Speaker 1: We're gonna get through this evil ship is going to

1595
01:33:38,040 --> 01:33:41,240
Speaker 1: carry us off. Yeah, we're gonna be like I always

1596
01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:44,240
Speaker 1: talked about. I told my sister yesterday, my nephew gonna

1597
01:33:44,240 --> 01:33:46,280
Speaker 1: be great, and he's gonna be awesome, but he gonna

1598
01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:50,200
Speaker 1: have an awesome as motherfucker uncle. That's old and ship.

1599
01:33:50,920 --> 01:33:54,920
Speaker 1: You know, my daughters and my son gonna have kids,

1600
01:33:55,080 --> 01:33:59,280
Speaker 1: and they're gonna have a most awesome granddaddy that they

1601
01:33:59,400 --> 01:34:01,599
Speaker 1: love being around, you know what I mean, Just love

1602
01:34:01,680 --> 01:34:04,519
Speaker 1: being around their granddaddy, Like I used to love being

1603
01:34:04,560 --> 01:34:06,519
Speaker 1: around my granddaddy, and like I used to love being

1604
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:09,240
Speaker 1: around my grandma. I'm going to fun granddaddy. When when

1605
01:34:09,240 --> 01:34:12,519
Speaker 1: they can go funk with their homeboys, their homes they

1606
01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:15,760
Speaker 1: want to go funk with the cool ass granddad. Like

1607
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:18,960
Speaker 1: your granddad ain't cool like this right here. You ain't

1608
01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:21,679
Speaker 1: know Steve Jackson type motherfucker. You know what I mean?

1609
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:25,840
Speaker 1: You ain't know Matt Bonds type. Motherfucker you understand, you

1610
01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:29,679
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like your granddaddy ain't cool like this,

1611
01:34:30,439 --> 01:34:33,559
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like at coach funeral, his

1612
01:34:33,640 --> 01:34:36,759
Speaker 1: daughter said, they asked him like I mean, I asked

1613
01:34:36,760 --> 01:34:39,479
Speaker 1: her in class, like the type of stuff do you

1614
01:34:39,560 --> 01:34:42,639
Speaker 1: hear at home? And she was like, I can't tell

1615
01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:46,160
Speaker 1: you that. You know what I mean? Yes, you can,

1616
01:34:47,640 --> 01:34:53,720
Speaker 1: all right, motherfucker jackass, and on and on and on

1617
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:55,840
Speaker 1: and on, because that's who he was, you know what

1618
01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:58,439
Speaker 1: I mean. That's that's just how we talk. Ain't no

1619
01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:02,880
Speaker 1: malice intended, That's just us. We just we just we

1620
01:35:03,000 --> 01:35:06,320
Speaker 1: just asked. We love life, man, And we talked to

1621
01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:10,080
Speaker 1: Win and we talked. Now we're getting the meeting, damn it.

1622
01:35:10,160 --> 01:35:12,639
Speaker 1: We can't get in them and that motherfucker and talk

1623
01:35:12,760 --> 01:35:15,680
Speaker 1: like we're supposed to talk. But when it's rent, when

1624
01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:18,200
Speaker 1: it's just us and we're letting our hat down, let

1625
01:35:18,240 --> 01:35:21,640
Speaker 1: it go, man. We're talking man. We talked, what are

1626
01:35:21,640 --> 01:35:25,200
Speaker 1: your thoughts on the NBA and the bubble. I didn't

1627
01:35:25,200 --> 01:35:27,400
Speaker 1: think I would like it. I love it. I love it, right,

1628
01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:29,559
Speaker 1: I ain't even think I would like it. I love it.

1629
01:35:29,720 --> 01:35:34,160
Speaker 1: I love it. It's the NBA. I'm damn show saying

1630
01:35:34,160 --> 01:35:37,439
Speaker 1: what I want to see. I'm seeing what I want

1631
01:35:37,439 --> 01:35:42,479
Speaker 1: to see, the great games, great competition. Who are some

1632
01:35:42,520 --> 01:35:44,519
Speaker 1: of your favorite players to watch right now? And you

1633
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:47,760
Speaker 1: put me on the spot again. I love Hawaii No

1634
01:35:47,960 --> 01:35:53,639
Speaker 1: Bron Brown, um A d Manum. I had so much

1635
01:35:53,680 --> 01:35:58,599
Speaker 1: fun watching Um, Little jama Jamal Murray. I love watching

1636
01:35:58,640 --> 01:36:04,880
Speaker 1: Jamaal and little Homie Mitchell. I love Donovan, Jason Tatum,

1637
01:36:05,080 --> 01:36:10,000
Speaker 1: don't Killer, don't. Yeah, you got a lot of Kobe

1638
01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:12,400
Speaker 1: on them too. Yeah, you can tell. You can tell

1639
01:36:12,439 --> 01:36:16,840
Speaker 1: he know I like because I teugh he is and

1640
01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:20,200
Speaker 1: remind me of x No see you a Hooper. That's

1641
01:36:20,200 --> 01:36:25,120
Speaker 1: all we all minds. You know, you know he's not

1642
01:36:25,479 --> 01:36:27,639
Speaker 1: a big name in the NBA, but you know who

1643
01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:30,639
Speaker 1: played just like him. He played for the Knicks. Tray

1644
01:36:31,080 --> 01:36:35,400
Speaker 1: Tray Burke bro He if you don't look if you

1645
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:37,600
Speaker 1: just look like with a glad, he looked just like that.

1646
01:36:38,080 --> 01:36:43,519
Speaker 1: His body movements, everything, everything. Yeah, he was getting busy.

1647
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:47,120
Speaker 1: He might have got up man and uh, what's homeboy

1648
01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:53,599
Speaker 1: name man for Dallas? Luca? What something is wrong with him?

1649
01:36:54,320 --> 01:36:55,840
Speaker 1: I love Luka so much. I'm gonna show you the

1650
01:36:55,880 --> 01:36:57,920
Speaker 1: text after they lost and he was getting bullied, I

1651
01:36:58,000 --> 01:37:01,160
Speaker 1: Carrick call I said, Rick Man, Luca live man, We're

1652
01:37:01,160 --> 01:37:06,520
Speaker 1: gonna come ride whether you need man, Luca nice man

1653
01:37:07,160 --> 01:37:10,960
Speaker 1: man and and and and know what I I started

1654
01:37:11,080 --> 01:37:13,840
Speaker 1: paying attention to coaches more. Would you have a coach?

1655
01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:19,800
Speaker 1: Mhm Never. I can't. Um. I don't think I can

1656
01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:22,639
Speaker 1: all Bush All everything's out. You could be Alan, obviously

1657
01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:26,360
Speaker 1: you can be Bubba. Would you coach to Steven Sex? No,

1658
01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:31,040
Speaker 1: I think that coaches are. I know they're great leaders

1659
01:37:31,080 --> 01:37:34,639
Speaker 1: of their family because if you can lead guys that

1660
01:37:35,120 --> 01:37:38,559
Speaker 1: come from wall walks of life, all walks of life,

1661
01:37:39,160 --> 01:37:40,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And and and get them

1662
01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:44,040
Speaker 1: to come together for one common goal and you make

1663
01:37:44,680 --> 01:37:49,560
Speaker 1: less than them and they respect you. And yeah, and

1664
01:37:50,160 --> 01:37:53,720
Speaker 1: the great just can't do that. No, like you when

1665
01:37:53,760 --> 01:37:57,040
Speaker 1: you when you grab Papa Vich you have a god

1666
01:37:57,160 --> 01:38:00,000
Speaker 1: given talent. First of all, you know what he talked

1667
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:03,559
Speaker 1: talking about. But then when you can, when you can.

1668
01:38:06,760 --> 01:38:11,479
Speaker 1: Last story, Coach Brown called me in the office one

1669
01:38:11,560 --> 01:38:14,360
Speaker 1: day and he said, I'm gonna kick your ass. I

1670
01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:18,400
Speaker 1: ain't did nothing. Yeah, I'm on time, said just bear

1671
01:38:18,439 --> 01:38:22,800
Speaker 1: with me, when in practice destroyed me. Every good player

1672
01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:26,320
Speaker 1: I made, said something bad about it when I turned

1673
01:38:26,360 --> 01:38:29,360
Speaker 1: it over, went crazy on me when I won't in

1674
01:38:29,400 --> 01:38:34,320
Speaker 1: the right spot, went crazy on me else. But everybody

1675
01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:37,599
Speaker 1: looking at me, Matt, Like everybody looking at me like,

1676
01:38:39,880 --> 01:38:41,400
Speaker 1: you know, because they used to me be in the

1677
01:38:41,439 --> 01:38:45,639
Speaker 1: hot head. I'm gonna flip out, like what's wrong with you?

1678
01:38:46,160 --> 01:38:50,080
Speaker 1: Eric snow Chuck. Just chill, he just on one the

1679
01:38:50,200 --> 01:38:53,760
Speaker 1: day Blue, Just chill, He just on one the day.

1680
01:38:54,320 --> 01:38:58,000
Speaker 1: Man went crazy on me. Man, all practice long, I

1681
01:38:58,120 --> 01:39:01,799
Speaker 1: go in the locker room sitting in my joint by myself,

1682
01:39:01,880 --> 01:39:04,800
Speaker 1: crying like a motherfucker, Like why did he do that

1683
01:39:04,840 --> 01:39:06,720
Speaker 1: to me today? You know what I mean? Because I

1684
01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:10,519
Speaker 1: felt embarrassed and you know all that, and I was

1685
01:39:10,600 --> 01:39:14,080
Speaker 1: hurt because you know, coach, my man, you know what

1686
01:39:14,120 --> 01:39:16,759
Speaker 1: I mean, Like, why did you go crazy on me today?

1687
01:39:16,840 --> 01:39:19,080
Speaker 1: Like what did I do to you? Trainer came Man

1688
01:39:19,400 --> 01:39:22,320
Speaker 1: got me coach once winning there and he was like

1689
01:39:22,360 --> 01:39:26,639
Speaker 1: thank you, like you mean thank you like you supposed

1690
01:39:26,640 --> 01:39:29,080
Speaker 1: to be saying, why you go crazy on my ass?

1691
01:39:30,120 --> 01:39:34,560
Speaker 1: He was like, now I can coach, Like now I

1692
01:39:34,600 --> 01:39:38,599
Speaker 1: can't nobody to say ship, Yeah, I can't. No, can't

1693
01:39:38,600 --> 01:39:40,960
Speaker 1: nobody say nothing? Now if I can go crazy on you.

1694
01:39:41,280 --> 01:39:44,120
Speaker 1: I wish one of them would go crazy or act up,

1695
01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:48,200
Speaker 1: And I was like, you, brilliant motherfucker. That was Phil

1696
01:39:48,320 --> 01:39:51,760
Speaker 1: Jackson Code. He would treat Code like anyone else. He

1697
01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:54,360
Speaker 1: would talk to him like the fourteenth manager. The fucking

1698
01:39:54,439 --> 01:39:55,960
Speaker 1: ball too much path, you know what I mean? Like

1699
01:39:56,080 --> 01:39:57,519
Speaker 1: and once you, like you said once, you could do

1700
01:39:57,600 --> 01:40:00,439
Speaker 1: that to your best player, what can anyone else. It's

1701
01:40:00,680 --> 01:40:03,000
Speaker 1: been times with Tony to come down, turn the ball

1702
01:40:03,080 --> 01:40:05,160
Speaker 1: over twice, they'll call the time out and he'll go

1703
01:40:05,320 --> 01:40:08,519
Speaker 1: straight at him, blaming everything on Tim. I'm everything. Timy

1704
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:10,120
Speaker 1: got nothing to do with it. You need to get

1705
01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:12,640
Speaker 1: these guys ready to play Tony turnover because you're not

1706
01:40:12,720 --> 01:40:17,040
Speaker 1: getting them fired up. Everything is Tim fault everything. And

1707
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:20,000
Speaker 1: like you say, when he's going off on Tim, when

1708
01:40:20,040 --> 01:40:21,320
Speaker 1: I come out of the game, when he take me

1709
01:40:21,360 --> 01:40:23,479
Speaker 1: out from making a mistake, I can't say nothing. Now

1710
01:40:23,640 --> 01:40:26,200
Speaker 1: I'm in line. Now I didn't I bought in. Now

1711
01:40:26,280 --> 01:40:28,599
Speaker 1: I'm starting. You know what I'm saying. But he doing

1712
01:40:28,680 --> 01:40:30,760
Speaker 1: it for a reason. They see stuff that we don't

1713
01:40:30,760 --> 01:40:33,800
Speaker 1: see in ourselves. That evil genius, uh I said that

1714
01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:37,000
Speaker 1: evil genius man. Yes, A couple more things. Who you

1715
01:40:37,080 --> 01:40:40,599
Speaker 1: got in the finals, we go, so man, I just won't.

1716
01:40:41,200 --> 01:40:45,120
Speaker 1: I want ludu In. I want Ludin the title Living

1717
01:40:45,200 --> 01:40:48,120
Speaker 1: Pepper Lou y'all's town thing. We had a little early on,

1718
01:40:48,200 --> 01:40:50,040
Speaker 1: but we have Remember the time we had a little

1719
01:40:50,080 --> 01:40:51,960
Speaker 1: on the bus and need drink all them up. We

1720
01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:55,400
Speaker 1: didn't carry us. I don't want to start him drinking.

1721
01:40:57,200 --> 01:41:00,600
Speaker 1: Motherfucker did not drink nothing. I hadn't drinking. Man, that

1722
01:41:00,720 --> 01:41:05,760
Speaker 1: man drinking Chris down. Man, I remember, I mean I remember, man,

1723
01:41:05,880 --> 01:41:09,040
Speaker 1: Come on, man, rookie, I was just big home. I

1724
01:41:09,280 --> 01:41:11,479
Speaker 1: love him. Man. Now you got his own city on

1725
01:41:11,560 --> 01:41:17,000
Speaker 1: the map, Blue Willville and allowing, Yeah it's on the map.

1726
01:41:17,120 --> 01:41:18,760
Speaker 1: But I mean he's shape. It's the man to shape them.

1727
01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:21,680
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it. I'm looking at him like look

1728
01:41:21,760 --> 01:41:23,920
Speaker 1: what I created, straight up, you know what I mean?

1729
01:41:24,040 --> 01:41:28,320
Speaker 1: And then straight buckets, straight buck I love him. I

1730
01:41:28,439 --> 01:41:30,560
Speaker 1: just wanted I want him to win so bad. I

1731
01:41:30,640 --> 01:41:34,439
Speaker 1: want him to win, Like, yeah, I want him to win.

1732
01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:38,800
Speaker 1: Good call. Last two questions. A player that in your

1733
01:41:38,840 --> 01:41:40,800
Speaker 1: era that you wish you could have played with, chat

1734
01:41:43,880 --> 01:41:45,560
Speaker 1: a player today you wish you could have played with.

1735
01:41:45,640 --> 01:41:49,720
Speaker 1: It was Lebron in my era. Kind of the sake

1736
01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:54,720
Speaker 1: of it. No, alright, no, all right, now, um, I

1737
01:41:54,880 --> 01:41:59,040
Speaker 1: love him. Play with your honest. I thought it was

1738
01:41:59,040 --> 01:42:03,000
Speaker 1: say Katie. Oh no, no, no, no, yeah, I love it.

1739
01:42:03,040 --> 01:42:07,360
Speaker 1: Play with Katie. I'm telling you, I love you honest.

1740
01:42:07,439 --> 01:42:10,639
Speaker 1: Now I love talking about I love you honest. I'm

1741
01:42:10,680 --> 01:42:15,479
Speaker 1: tripping because I ain't seen Katie in a minute. So yeah, yeah,

1742
01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:20,920
Speaker 1: so I'm tripping, I'm trimpling, I'm tripping, I'm trippling. I'm tripping.

1743
01:42:21,120 --> 01:42:24,439
Speaker 1: I'm tripping hard. Yeah, yeah, see you you know anyway

1744
01:42:24,520 --> 01:42:28,679
Speaker 1: talking about Yeah, yeah, hell, but no dispect to honest.

1745
01:42:28,720 --> 01:42:32,840
Speaker 1: I love yes, love you. That's why I wanted to

1746
01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:38,439
Speaker 1: go to Golden State. Yeah, so we'll be ugly. Yeah, man,

1747
01:42:38,479 --> 01:42:40,360
Speaker 1: I love you. Go to that man, That's why I

1748
01:42:40,400 --> 01:42:42,840
Speaker 1: want him to go. Man, I want him to go

1749
01:42:42,920 --> 01:42:45,519
Speaker 1: to Golden State. Man, even though no one could stop you,

1750
01:42:45,600 --> 01:42:47,960
Speaker 1: who you felt in your career, Guarden, you the best

1751
01:42:48,800 --> 01:42:52,960
Speaker 1: Marcus Banks. Wow. Yeah, because the video you're talking about,

1752
01:42:53,280 --> 01:42:56,880
Speaker 1: I'm on there and I didn't fall. He made me stumble. Yeah.

1753
01:42:57,439 --> 01:43:01,080
Speaker 1: What about gardening for anyway? Right? Castle ship baby gardens,

1754
01:43:01,439 --> 01:43:04,000
Speaker 1: guardens beating and beat Guarden somebody I was guardening, bro?

1755
01:43:04,080 --> 01:43:05,640
Speaker 1: What was that guarding for anyway, And you know what

1756
01:43:05,720 --> 01:43:08,000
Speaker 1: I did? Bed? Ever tell you what I You know,

1757
01:43:08,080 --> 01:43:10,000
Speaker 1: I used to flop to get two fouls on BD,

1758
01:43:10,080 --> 01:43:12,439
Speaker 1: to get him off me, and to get Wesley on me.

1759
01:43:13,200 --> 01:43:16,080
Speaker 1: Like I all all I had to do is running

1760
01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:19,360
Speaker 1: the b D. He was too big out running to him. Flop,

1761
01:43:19,800 --> 01:43:22,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. He couldn't stand that ship.

1762
01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:24,639
Speaker 1: I get two founds on him, Go set your ass

1763
01:43:24,720 --> 01:43:28,040
Speaker 1: down and get off of me. Because Bed got d me.

1764
01:43:28,160 --> 01:43:30,000
Speaker 1: He could do it all. Yeah, I tell people, man,

1765
01:43:30,000 --> 01:43:31,280
Speaker 1: if he could have stayed healthy, he could have been

1766
01:43:31,280 --> 01:43:34,439
Speaker 1: one of the greatest eff Yeah, no question question. Yeah

1767
01:43:34,479 --> 01:43:39,840
Speaker 1: what was Bed knees was right? And it's bad Bed

1768
01:43:40,080 --> 01:43:44,720
Speaker 1: was bad at doing work. What I always wanted to

1769
01:43:44,800 --> 01:43:47,760
Speaker 1: know this real quick? What's the story behind? Were talking

1770
01:43:47,760 --> 01:43:55,600
Speaker 1: about practice? Okay, okay, easy word. First of all, we

1771
01:43:55,720 --> 01:43:58,679
Speaker 1: went out in the first round. The next year after

1772
01:43:58,760 --> 01:44:01,479
Speaker 1: going to the finals, went out in the first round too,

1773
01:44:02,960 --> 01:44:05,479
Speaker 1: went out in the first round. Best friend just got killed.

1774
01:44:05,680 --> 01:44:07,000
Speaker 1: That's what I thought. It wouldn't have had nothing to

1775
01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:10,679
Speaker 1: do with basketball the whole time. He didn't. Best friend

1776
01:44:10,800 --> 01:44:13,880
Speaker 1: just got killed. I was struggling with, you know the

1777
01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:16,880
Speaker 1: fact that because our expectations after going to the finals.

1778
01:44:17,080 --> 01:44:18,679
Speaker 1: You don't supposed to go out in the first round,

1779
01:44:19,320 --> 01:44:22,120
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I'm dealing with the

1780
01:44:22,200 --> 01:44:28,360
Speaker 1: Philadelphia media, which is brutal, brutal, and my man just

1781
01:44:28,479 --> 01:44:33,320
Speaker 1: got killed. And honestly, I might be mistaken, but I

1782
01:44:34,200 --> 01:44:36,920
Speaker 1: think that they hadn't caught the motherfucker that did it.

1783
01:44:38,120 --> 01:44:40,960
Speaker 1: I was dealing with a whole bunch of ship at

1784
01:44:41,000 --> 01:44:44,479
Speaker 1: the time because with the people not catching them yet,

1785
01:44:44,920 --> 01:44:47,640
Speaker 1: something happened to him who they don't look at. So

1786
01:44:48,920 --> 01:44:53,320
Speaker 1: you know, I was worrying about that. That whatever reporter

1787
01:44:53,600 --> 01:44:57,280
Speaker 1: was just kept asking me about practice situation, and I

1788
01:44:57,439 --> 01:45:00,519
Speaker 1: just lost it, you know what I mean, if I could,

1789
01:45:00,600 --> 01:45:02,960
Speaker 1: if I could take it back, you know what I mean.

1790
01:45:03,280 --> 01:45:08,840
Speaker 1: I had the opportunity to walk away. I had opportunity

1791
01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:11,559
Speaker 1: to walk away from the podium. All PR person was saying,

1792
01:45:11,640 --> 01:45:14,600
Speaker 1: you know, tapping me, like hey, come on, come on,

1793
01:45:14,720 --> 01:45:16,760
Speaker 1: come on, and I was like, no, I ain't going nowhere.

1794
01:45:16,760 --> 01:45:19,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if if you remember that on the joint,

1795
01:45:19,280 --> 01:45:21,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I ain't going nowhere. Another reason was

1796
01:45:22,840 --> 01:45:26,000
Speaker 1: they were talking about trading me and I had just

1797
01:45:26,240 --> 01:45:30,200
Speaker 1: came from a meeting with the general manager and coach Brown,

1798
01:45:30,439 --> 01:45:32,240
Speaker 1: and it was like, You're not going awhere. But I

1799
01:45:32,360 --> 01:45:35,960
Speaker 1: was dealing with my kids saying, you know, daddy while

1800
01:45:36,840 --> 01:45:39,479
Speaker 1: my class and maasing my teachers saying tell your daddy,

1801
01:45:39,520 --> 01:45:41,439
Speaker 1: don't leave this that in the third So it was

1802
01:45:41,560 --> 01:45:45,040
Speaker 1: effecting lot. Yeah, it was affecting my house too, you

1803
01:45:45,080 --> 01:45:47,360
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So I was happy as hell

1804
01:45:48,160 --> 01:45:51,360
Speaker 1: that I was going to the press conference to say

1805
01:45:51,640 --> 01:45:55,280
Speaker 1: I wasn't going nowhere. But they didn't care anything about that.

1806
01:45:55,640 --> 01:46:00,320
Speaker 1: All they were talking about was practice and the rest

1807
01:46:00,360 --> 01:46:04,080
Speaker 1: is history. As he said, you, I just I went crazy.

1808
01:46:04,360 --> 01:46:07,280
Speaker 1: And then the crazy part about it is everybody think

1809
01:46:07,320 --> 01:46:11,560
Speaker 1: it's funny, but me, people that knew what she was

1810
01:46:11,560 --> 01:46:13,840
Speaker 1: going through at the time, they ain't going funny to them,

1811
01:46:13,960 --> 01:46:16,479
Speaker 1: you know, you know what I mean, But like to

1812
01:46:16,640 --> 01:46:19,120
Speaker 1: everybody else, And and then and then and then, like

1813
01:46:19,240 --> 01:46:21,439
Speaker 1: I'll be out on the street and somebody coming to

1814
01:46:21,520 --> 01:46:24,000
Speaker 1: me and be like practice practice, and I'll be I

1815
01:46:24,160 --> 01:46:26,200
Speaker 1: look at him like is that all you can come

1816
01:46:26,280 --> 01:46:27,680
Speaker 1: up with? Man? You can't be a little bit more

1817
01:46:27,720 --> 01:46:30,639
Speaker 1: original than that, you know what I mean? Like all

1818
01:46:30,720 --> 01:46:32,439
Speaker 1: the things that I did in my life, I'm a

1819
01:46:32,520 --> 01:46:35,200
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, man. All you can think about is practice, man.

1820
01:46:36,280 --> 01:46:38,519
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like in the same thing

1821
01:46:38,600 --> 01:46:41,760
Speaker 1: with the Jordan's, I'm shaking Jordan's like I don't want

1822
01:46:41,760 --> 01:46:43,960
Speaker 1: to hear nothing. But is that all I mean? I

1823
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:47,600
Speaker 1: don't shoot a million people, man, And all y'all can

1824
01:46:47,680 --> 01:46:50,800
Speaker 1: think about is the Jordan crossovers or the time step

1825
01:46:50,880 --> 01:46:54,160
Speaker 1: over pull the shots up there like he was fronn

1826
01:46:54,160 --> 01:46:57,880
Speaker 1: to strap up. He shorts like this, like like he

1827
01:46:58,000 --> 01:46:59,760
Speaker 1: just knew the cross was coming. He put his hand,

1828
01:47:00,479 --> 01:47:02,599
Speaker 1: put it back. He missed it the first time. He's

1829
01:47:02,600 --> 01:47:05,200
Speaker 1: gonna again. But that's how you catch it. Those did

1830
01:47:05,880 --> 01:47:07,800
Speaker 1: That's how you catch it. Though. You gotta, you gotta,

1831
01:47:08,400 --> 01:47:10,439
Speaker 1: you gotta have your hand down. He had his hand

1832
01:47:10,479 --> 01:47:12,519
Speaker 1: on the first waiting on it, and you gave it

1833
01:47:12,600 --> 01:47:16,080
Speaker 1: a second as soon as he pulled it back. Come in, Mike, Oh,

1834
01:47:16,240 --> 01:47:18,720
Speaker 1: you ain't never seen nothing like this, this that young

1835
01:47:18,840 --> 01:47:21,479
Speaker 1: boy ship. You know what I mean? Yeah, you ain't

1836
01:47:22,080 --> 01:47:24,960
Speaker 1: seen nothing. You ain't seen nothing like that. And then

1837
01:47:25,000 --> 01:47:28,720
Speaker 1: I heard I heard um, you know, Phil Jackson, Um

1838
01:47:29,320 --> 01:47:32,360
Speaker 1: call him out. You know, he called him out on

1839
01:47:32,479 --> 01:47:37,040
Speaker 1: the switch. Come in, man, now, I'm gonna try my

1840
01:47:37,200 --> 01:47:40,439
Speaker 1: move on the best person that I ever seen play

1841
01:47:40,520 --> 01:47:42,479
Speaker 1: the game twice. Now I'm gonna see if this move

1842
01:47:42,640 --> 01:47:45,680
Speaker 1: is real, and I'm like, oh, ship and that and

1843
01:47:45,720 --> 01:47:48,960
Speaker 1: that the craziest part. I didn't know what I did

1844
01:47:49,640 --> 01:47:53,439
Speaker 1: until yes, Ben and and everybody else talking about it.

1845
01:47:55,479 --> 01:47:58,760
Speaker 1: I hit him with that thing twice, all star as

1846
01:47:58,920 --> 01:48:03,639
Speaker 1: all though that that little checked out though a little

1847
01:48:03,680 --> 01:48:06,400
Speaker 1: definitely checked out. Man. We want to thank you. We

1848
01:48:06,520 --> 01:48:08,760
Speaker 1: appreciate you. I want to thank y'all. And then let

1849
01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:12,240
Speaker 1: me say this, you two motherfucker's is why I'm here

1850
01:48:12,240 --> 01:48:14,920
Speaker 1: in New York because I love Showtime so much. I

1851
01:48:15,040 --> 01:48:17,280
Speaker 1: love the idea of them want me to be a

1852
01:48:17,360 --> 01:48:21,600
Speaker 1: part of something that they got going on. But you

1853
01:48:21,760 --> 01:48:25,120
Speaker 1: two guys, man, I love y'all, man, because y'all love me.

1854
01:48:25,800 --> 01:48:27,479
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, and I know it, and

1855
01:48:27,600 --> 01:48:29,960
Speaker 1: y'all show it. I know it ain't no fake love.

1856
01:48:30,120 --> 01:48:32,840
Speaker 1: I know it's real love. I know it's genuine. I

1857
01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:36,519
Speaker 1: could not be here for y'all. I couldn't. I couldn't.

1858
01:48:36,520 --> 01:48:39,040
Speaker 1: I just I couldn't do it. You know what I mean.

1859
01:48:39,160 --> 01:48:41,840
Speaker 1: I got in the car. You know what I mean.

1860
01:48:42,080 --> 01:48:45,320
Speaker 1: I got in the car and drove here. You know

1861
01:48:45,360 --> 01:48:49,000
Speaker 1: what I mean, because you know, I just wanted y'all

1862
01:48:49,680 --> 01:48:54,519
Speaker 1: to be able to say, this is my man, and

1863
01:48:55,080 --> 01:48:59,400
Speaker 1: y'all wanted him. He funk with us. This hard that

1864
01:48:59,520 --> 01:49:01,519
Speaker 1: I can that I can, I can bring him in it.

1865
01:49:01,920 --> 01:49:05,120
Speaker 1: It's hard getting that dude. Man. Y'all know who he is.

1866
01:49:06,960 --> 01:49:08,880
Speaker 1: Y'all know who it is. You know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: what with us? Just to love he got for us,

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Speaker 1: Appreciate that he coming, Yeah, he coming. But we just

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Speaker 1: want to thank you. Like I said, too often, you

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Speaker 1: never know when it's time. And everything you've done for

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Speaker 1: us as as fans, as friends, for the world, you've

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Speaker 1: been a true blessing man. Just to watch your growth,

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Speaker 1: your bumps, your ups, your downs, and you've always, like

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Speaker 1: you said, to be any stay true to yourself. And

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Speaker 1: I think that's why people love you so much. I

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Speaker 1: got a chance to play with Code, I got a

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Speaker 1: chance to play with Shack. I've never seen fan fair

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Speaker 1: when we go to different cities, like the love you get.

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Speaker 1: And I just think that not even so much for it,

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Speaker 1: I mean obviously because of your basketball, because of the

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Speaker 1: man you are in the heart, you having people love

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Speaker 1: and respect who you really are. You never never flip

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Speaker 1: the script on nobody. We appreciate that, bro, appreciate love. Man.

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Speaker 1: You know that you know that that's a rap y'all

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Speaker 1: a swarm. Like you said, we got him. We hope

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Speaker 1: you enjoyed this episode, man. Check it out a Showtime

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Speaker 1: Basketball YouTube and the I Heart platform. All the smoke.

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Speaker 1: Two world champions. They happen to be twin brothers, while

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Speaker 1: the ingredients are there. Two guys who love to sit

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Speaker 1: down to their punts and throw that firepower. I'm not

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Speaker 1: scared of nobody, and I'm definitely not scared of some

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Speaker 1: when I'm talking. There's no one in the division that

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Speaker 1: can beat me. There's no one in the division that

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Speaker 1: strong as me. It would definitely deliver a statement the

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Speaker 1: powers for real. We would get a chance to let

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Speaker 1: everyone in the world see the great things that me

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Speaker 1: and my twin brother has drunk in the squarter box. Try.

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Speaker 1: You know, the same card gives us a nearergy. We

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Speaker 1: want to be charged, we want to be at our best.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna both meet in the middle of the ring

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna let our hands go. Let the best

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Speaker 1: men win. They are boxing and they pound for palm.

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Speaker 1: This is all a smoke, a production of the Black Effect.

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Speaker 1: And Our Heart Radio in partnership with Showtime