1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of My 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 1: Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. 3 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark, There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, there's Jerry 4 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 1: over there, and this is Park du Um. Project blue 5 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: Book that's right where we left off. Project blue Book 6 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: has officially been launched. They're doing a pretty good job 7 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: of investigating stuff at this point. The Salad Days Salad 8 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: Days of official investigation. You know, every time I hear 9 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: salad Days, I think of Monty Python sketch about it's 10 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,279 Speaker 1: just called salad Days. Great, you should look at I'll 11 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: check it out. Is there is there blood? I need 12 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: blood in my Monty Py A lot of blood. Okay, 13 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: I'm in then, So let's talk about this was a 14 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: big if you want to talk to salad days of 15 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: UFO sightings. Speaking of salad days, this is one of 16 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: the big years. Uh. There were fifty hundred and one 17 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: UFO sightings in nineteen fifty two, which there were a 18 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty nine. So there's a lot. Yeah, almost 19 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 1: an increase of ten times, that's right, pretty order of magnitude, 20 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah, So that's a pretty big uptick. I 21 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 1: guess you could say, and it just so happens that 22 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: the Air Force had positioned itself already to investigate this 23 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: stuff with an open mind. Yeah, And there were some 24 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: big ones, like there was one where the Air Force 25 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: scrambled jets to intercept what they called brilliant objects over Washington. Uh, 26 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: they were on radar and seen visually in the sky. 27 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: And Major General John Sandford, he was the Director of Intelligence, 28 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: actually brief the FBI on this one and said, it 29 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: is not entirely impossible that the object sided may possibly 30 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: be ships from another planet such as Mars. You shouldn't 31 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: added that last, really really suck the wind out of 32 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: his credibility, Yeah, because he had to go in with 33 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: a pretty good sentence there, and he could have just 34 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: said from a somewhere else in the galaxy, right, He 35 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: might as well have said Uranus. He might as well 36 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:15,519 Speaker 1: said martians. M So Sandford also, I got the impression 37 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,679 Speaker 1: he went a little bit rogue here. He held a 38 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: press conference, from what I understand of his own accord, Yeah, 39 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 1: to reassure the general public that the Air Force was 40 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: on the case and that yes, it's true, we can't 41 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: really explain all this stuff but we're looking into it. 42 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: But he included the word however, which is very important 43 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: because what followed that was, however, a certain percentage had 44 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: been made by credible observers of relatively incredible things. It 45 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: is this group of observations that we now are attempting 46 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: to resolve. But there is no conceivable threat to the 47 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: United States. I don't know if I would have felt 48 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,959 Speaker 1: better hearing that presser, I wouldn't have. Yeah, I would 49 00:02:58,000 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: have been like, I knew it. I knew at the 50 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: was about to end ye Martians. Who knows who's going 51 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: to replace Tom Cruise in top gun. There's this utter 52 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:09,119 Speaker 1: chaos and disorder, that's right. Um. So there was an 53 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: article much the same way that the Saturday Evening Post 54 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: helped put it kind of a damper on the UFO craze. 55 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: The behest of the Air Force back in the forties. 56 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: The UFO fever that spiked in nineteen fifty two was 57 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: helped along by a Life magazine article, but not from 58 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: the Air Force behest. No, No, it was like the opposite. 59 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: It was called have we visitors from outer Space? It's 60 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: just such a nineteen fifties headline, you know. Yeah, And 61 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: they offered or they said they were offering scientific evidence 62 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: that there's a real case for in a planetary saucers. 63 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: And then I think about ten sightings that they kind 64 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: of just went over in great detail. Right, it was 65 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: a very long article. It was, um, it really made 66 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: the case that yes, there was probably extraterrestrials visiting US. 67 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: I bet that was a big issue of life. Sure, 68 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: but they sold a lot of those, Yeah, and they 69 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: I mean it landed really well and really hard among 70 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: the American public because they were in the grips of 71 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: UFO fever again. So while this is going on like it, 72 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: it had kind of died down a little bit as 73 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: crazy and in fact, the I think the Air Force 74 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: was kind of surprised when it flared up again because 75 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 1: it had a little bit died down from seven to 76 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: say nifty, and then all of a sudden fifty two. 77 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: I don't know where it comes back. It's like a 78 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: hemorrhoid you thought you'd taken care of exactly. That's an 79 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: exact analogy. It's perfect. So the c I A, um, 80 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: they had been kind of keeping tabs on this stuff. 81 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: I wondered about this when I was reading this, I 82 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 1: was like where are they this whole time? That's exactly 83 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: what they wanted you to wonder and then conclude they're 84 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 1: not doing anything exactly Could that be on the news? Right? Right? 85 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: So it turns out that the CIA was doing something 86 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 1: even though it wasn't on the news. Um. There was 87 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 1: a guy named H. H. Marshall Chadwell, where did all 88 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: these people come from? Yel or something's great there? Everyone 89 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 1: involved in this this UFO investigation came from Yale. BA 90 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: sound like blue bloods. So um. He was the assistant 91 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: director of Scientific Intelligence for the CIA, and he basically said, hey, um, 92 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: we don't know what these are. By the way, I 93 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 1: don't know if you've been paying attention to this stuff, 94 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: but we should probably investigate it. That's right. So he Um. 95 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: He got a panel impaneled, there's really no other way 96 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: to put it. I like that word. Um in ninety 97 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: two and it was led by a physicist, a very famous, 98 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 1: likable physicist named Howard Percy Robertson. He was likable physicists, sure, 99 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: he was very very well liked in his class at Yale. 100 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 1: He would be H. Percy Robertson at Yale though, Oh 101 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 1: I guess so he really would he loosened the club 102 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 1: tie by going by Howard Percy. Yeah, so he was 103 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: from cal Tech and he looked into this thing and 104 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: they had this panel and they met for for days 105 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: twelve hours a few hours a day. That seems a 106 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: little skimpy to me, but whatever, same here, I've only 107 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: got three hours a day to do. They just basically 108 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: went around the room taking turns reading that Life magazine 109 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 1: article out loud, I guess so, and then discussing what 110 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: they thought about it. So Repelled is still here. He's 111 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: the head of Blue Book at the time. Still Heinik 112 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 1: was there. He's still around. Yeah, he's never he's never left, right, No, 113 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 1: he's part of this this ongoing project that's right investigation. Uh. 114 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: And then other people that were involved that you know 115 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: should have been in the room and were in the room, 116 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: and they were all presenting what they thought were the 117 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 1: most interesting cases to what would be eventually known as 118 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: the Robertson Panel. Right, the Robertson Panel said thank you 119 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: very much, all of you will will be in touch. 120 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: Don't call us, We'll call you. And they issued a 121 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: final report and it said that of all UFO cases 122 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: could be explained by meteorological, meteorological, astronomical, celestial, known scientific stuff. 123 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: Sure technology, that that's believable. Okay, the other ten percent, though, 124 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: if we spend enough time and energy investigating it, we 125 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: could also explain those. Yeah, that's where the b S 126 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: comes in. Their conclusion was that given enough time and effort, 127 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: of all UFO sightings could be explained underknown scientific or 128 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: technological explanation. And no one said, so are you saying 129 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: that ten percent of these are so confounding that you 130 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: can't explain them? And they went, yeah, but we could, 131 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: we just don't have enough time. Exactly. It's a really 132 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: passive aggressive way of saying there is no such thing 133 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: as alien. Yeah, pretty much so that but that is 134 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: ultimately what they said. Yeah, but here's the thing though, 135 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: they did see that this was the fact that people 136 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: were sighting these UFOs, and it was all over the papers. Um, 137 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:55,119 Speaker 1: the craze was a bad thing and and dangerous, even 138 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: because the Cold War is heating up like we were 139 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: talking about. Um, the Soviets have been known to secretly 140 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: exploit the American psyche. Um, that never happens anymore. Of course, 141 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: they don't do anything like that. Well, it's like you said, 142 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: this was the Cold War, that's right. They were known 143 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: to do this kind of thing, and they thought, this 144 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: is a perfect opportunity for the Soviets to come in 145 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: fake reports about UFOs, get everyone distracted, worked up into 146 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: a frenzy, um and they start asking them questions about 147 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: pulsating and and they said, and not only that, but 148 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: the Soviets, Uh, I read their papers or I have 149 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: them read to me, and uh, they don't have any 150 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 1: reportings of UFO sidings. So they're clearly if there are any, 151 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: they're keeping a lid on it. And this is our 152 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: problem that they can exploit. We can't do the same 153 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: back to them, right, So all the Soviets had to 154 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: do would be come in and be like UFOs UFOs 155 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: basically like shouting, you know, fire and a crowded theater, 156 00:08:56,200 --> 00:09:01,559 Speaker 1: which is the legal of course, as everyone knows. That's right. Um, so, uh, 157 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: this is a this is a problem. This is like 158 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: with the way the CIA thought, you know, this is 159 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,959 Speaker 1: something that they need to do something about. So they 160 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: decided to um basically undo that that Cold War hysteria 161 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: and panic. Yeah, but they were in a pickle though, 162 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: because they like they're supposed to be tamping down this 163 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: thing that they don't if that they I feel like 164 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: they shouldn't even be investigating to begin with. Right, they're 165 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: denying that something even exists, but continuing to investigate it. Right. 166 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: So what I was saying is they decided to say, Okay, 167 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,359 Speaker 1: we need to get rid of this Cold War hysteria, 168 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: we need to kind of take the air out of 169 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: this weird phenomenon in American culture. And they decided to 170 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: do that by exploiting America with a public relations campaign 171 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:54,439 Speaker 1: very as you say, bern Asian. Uh. And they said, hey, 172 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,959 Speaker 1: call up Walt Disney. Yeah, and they really did. They thought, 173 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: you know, um, we're gonna get this out in the media. 174 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: We're gonna have um, we're gonna create this propaganda that's 175 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: gonna sweep the nation on TV and in movies and 176 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 1: in newspapers debunking all this stuff, showing like, hey, this 177 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 1: is how you explain this stuff, right, saying like here's 178 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: this report and here's the scientific explanation for it, and 179 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: that they consider that would be very powerful. And I 180 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: think they're right. Yeah, just basically priming America's pump to 181 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: where if you're having a water cooler conversation and bring 182 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: something up about a UFO. There are five people there 183 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: to say, didn't you see that thing like that? It's 184 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:36,719 Speaker 1: weather balloons. People love doing that and if you can 185 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: arm people with that, they will do it every time. 186 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: And that that actually is a pretty good plan for 187 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: tamping down. It's a great plan. They also decided, maybe 188 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 1: one of the less great parts of the plan, to 189 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:54,839 Speaker 1: surveil and keep tabs on UFO groups for anti American 190 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: stuff because this was during the McCarthy era. Of course. Yeah, 191 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: so everybody was doing anti America and stuff if they 192 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: weren't painting their white picket fence. Yeah, and I was. 193 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: You know, I mentioned Disney and we both laugh, But 194 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: that was not a joke. They actually did think about 195 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: um and who knows, maybe they got in touch with 196 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: Disney about making some propaganda pieces to help them out 197 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 1: because they had done that before. Chip and Dale originally 198 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: started out as UFOO investigators. But it's just kind of 199 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: one thing led to another. Uh. They worked on propaganda 200 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,959 Speaker 1: pieces before that was one called Donald gets drafted, uh 201 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: Donald Duck propaganda film UM And they said it never 202 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: came to fruition, but it would not surprise me if 203 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: they didn't poke around a little bit, right, like in 204 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: Earnest Donald gets drafted. Did Yeah that was a one 205 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: that got released. Oh you mean like the UFO one. Yeah, Like, 206 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: it wouldn't surprise me if they really did have an 207 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: official meeting and Disney just said no, like we're not 208 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: going to get involved. They're like, but we have this 209 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: idea about psychic children. But I guess it's kind of 210 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,199 Speaker 1: pro psychic. Really, I wonder what the messages an Escape 211 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,199 Speaker 1: from which Mountain. I haven't seen it in so long. 212 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 1: I'm sure there's some very clear message that as an adult, 213 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: you'd be like, this is what I was taught. Yeah, 214 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: I mean I saw both of those. Didn't the rock 215 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: recreate that remake it? I think so? But I did 216 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: not recreate. Makes it sound like he just did it 217 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: in his head in his living room or something here. 218 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: He recreated that after dinner one night. I really think 219 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: he was in that a remake. No, I think you're right. 220 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 1: I never I never bothered. Oh I didn't. I like 221 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: that guy though. Oh The Rocky is great. I mean 222 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 1: I don't go see his movies much, but he seems 223 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: like a good dude, right, he does seem like a 224 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: good dude. You have a sense for these kind of things. 225 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: There was one TV show, There was a CBS show 226 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 1: called UFOs colon Friend, Foe or Fantasy? And is this 227 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 1: the one that Cronkite Okay, I didn't know if that 228 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: was a separate one. Did I write this that poorly? 229 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 1: It's part of the same sentence? No, I know, I 230 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 1: just I couldn't tell if it was me it was 231 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: my because it says isn't the same sentence narrated by 232 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: Walter Cronkite? Yes, okay, No, you are heated, grace, thank 233 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: you for rest. This is the nineteen sixty six uh. 234 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: And this was um largely over the Michigan sightings. Yeah, 235 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: we'll talk about those in a little bit. Yeah, just 236 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: stick a pin in that. But it was big enough 237 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: that they brought concrete or cron Kite out concrete, you 238 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: know how I'm talking about, Sure Walter concrete. That's he's 239 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 1: a legend. You turn them upside down and shake him 240 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: and we'll come out of the cup. So but in 241 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: that in that documentary is very much a pro skeptic 242 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: anti UFO documentary where it's they followed this um the 243 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 1: Robertson Panel recommendations of saying, here's this amazing report of 244 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: the sighting. Here's how it's explained. Here's another study. Here's 245 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: how it's explained. Don't you see now that UFOs are 246 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: actually really just kind of something. They're they're not alien. 247 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: It's fantasy. They called it friend forward fantasy. They should 248 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: have just called it UFOs fantasy, right, because that was 249 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 1: the upshot of it all. So UM, that Robertson panel report, 250 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:06,079 Speaker 1: there's something else that was really interesting about it. UM 251 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: had a very surprising knock on effect years later. So 252 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: this the panel was was impaneled in ninety two, i 253 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: think the year of that, that UFO fever outbreak, and 254 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: it's um it's proceedings and its recommendations stayed classified until 255 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy five, and after a blue book was gone. Yeah, 256 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: years after it was gone. So I'm sure they figured like, oh, 257 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: it's fine, whatever, just release it. But here's the thing. 258 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: Up to that point, up to nineteen seventy five, as 259 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: far as anyone in the American public was concerned, the 260 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: CIA had just remained quiet on the whole thing. It 261 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: was all you. US Air Force CEA had nothing to 262 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: do with it, And so all of a sudden, this 263 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: Robertson panel comes out, and it's not only their own report, 264 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: but they also mentioned an earlier CIA panel that had 265 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: basically the same conclusions um that showed that very much 266 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: the I was involved in this and that they covered 267 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: it up and two people in nine it gave the 268 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: the alien conspiracy theory a real shot in the arm 269 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: because it showed no, the CIA was definitely investigating this 270 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: and they covered it up. So how can we trust 271 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: anything that anybody says about this? Yeah, covering, covering it 272 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: up to begin with just made the cover up. It 273 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: was a cover up. It made a it made something 274 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: that wasn't a cover up a cover up. Yeah, exactly, 275 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: by covering and fueled all sorts of conspiracy theories. That's 276 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: how it works. That's just how it works. The US government, 277 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: probably any government, will never ever learn, but that is 278 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: just how it works. That's right. There was another report 279 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: declassified in nine, uh, where the CIA set around the 280 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: mid nineteen fifties, they started observing planes that could flat 281 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: high altitudes, they started creating them. Yeah, well it said observing, 282 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: So I guess they were just observing what they create. 283 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: Come on. You can't take everything I say, literally. Uh, 284 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: and we're talking about remember earlier I kind of teased 285 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: about the fact that the Soviets might have these spy 286 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: planes because we had spy planes, the U two spy 287 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: plane very much top secret at the time. Yeah, it's 288 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: it's like the old adage when you point in the 289 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: sky at the Rusha's spy plane, you've got three fingers 290 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: pointing back at your spy plane. Right. Uh. It was 291 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: very much top secret, like I said, and it was. 292 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: It could go up to sixty thousand feet, which is 293 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: three to five times higher than any commercial plane could 294 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: fly at the time. And they were commercial pilots are 295 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: seeing these things and reporting on them. Well, yeah, because 296 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: they were silver at first, they weren't painted the cooler 297 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: black color until later on. I guess with the touring 298 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: models that they started to pump out there and they 299 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: you know, were very reflective, so at sunrise and at sunset, 300 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: these things would cast these weird lights and uh, you know, 301 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: commercial pilots, because they didn't know this was a thing, 302 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: would say, hey, there's something going on a way up 303 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 1: above me, or people would see them from the ground. Yeah, 304 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: flying really fast, really high, and looking like fire. Yeah, 305 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: because this started I think testerones in the mid nineteen fifties, 306 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 1: so that coincides with a lot of these sightings. Yeah. 307 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: So this this c I a memo for that was 308 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: declassified in basically said, by our estimate of that seven 309 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: one unidentified UM report of the reports that were remain unidentified, 310 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: Project bluebooks files, UM are you two and SR seventy 311 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: one test flights can probably account for about half of those, right, 312 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 1: which whittles that number down dramatically. Should we take another break? 313 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: All right, We'll take a break and come back and 314 00:17:47,040 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 1: talk about the return of Heineck right after this, Chuck, 315 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: this is going so well. Thanks, I'm really impressed. Good 316 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: so Heinich, He said he returned, but really he never 317 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 1: went anywhere. He's still plodding along doing his thing. He 318 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: started out at Project sign. By this time it's blue book. 319 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: It's like us with this place. How many times has 320 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 1: it changed hands? A million? We're still here. We're like 321 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 1: the Heinecks here of how stuff works. So um with 322 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 1: with the years, however, Heinek himself seems to have changed, 323 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 1: and he changed probably earlier than he made it public 324 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 1: that he had changed. But he later said, you know what, everybody, 325 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,199 Speaker 1: I actually think that these UFOs are a thing at 326 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 1: the very least some stuff we can't explain, and we 327 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: should be investigating them way more scientifically than we are. 328 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: And that really flew in the face of the public 329 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: face that he had, which by the by the time 330 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: he he came out and said that had become something 331 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 1: of a laughing stock at the behest of the Air Force. Yeah, 332 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 1: like what the change was is Repelled left in nineteen 333 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: fifty three and he was the dude that kind of 334 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: had it running like a legit investigatory body. He left, 335 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 1: and then Heineck says it basically just became a pr 336 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: device um and the stats prove it out. It was 337 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: the unexplained case rate of up to that we talked 338 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: about after Repelled left that went down to one, which 339 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: is just an insult. Even if you're a skeptic, that's 340 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 1: an insult, right, because again they would use anything that 341 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: they could think of, including planets that weren't even visible 342 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: in the sky at the time. There was very famously 343 00:19:55,160 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: one UM where I think there was a sighting in Oklahoma, 344 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 1: I believe, Yeah, yeah, there was a the Oklahoma State 345 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: Police Tinker Air Force Base and a meteorologist in Oklahoma 346 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: who was using weather radar at the time, all independently 347 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: tracked four objects, one of them on radar, and Heinek 348 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: in the Air Force of who were doing UM Project 349 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: blue Book representing Project Blue Books, said it was Jupiter. Yeah, 350 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: which is not a good explanation for four objects that 351 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: are both visually cited and show up on radar, because 352 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 1: Jupiter doesn't show up on radar, and it certainly doesn't 353 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 1: show up as four fast moving objects. Yes, and Jupiter 354 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: wasn't even visible in the night sky on that date, right, 355 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: So this definitely kind of like is a really good 356 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 1: example of what what Heinech was having to come out 357 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 1: and say to the public, you know, towards the end 358 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: of his UM his Camel's backbreaking. Yeah. And here's the 359 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: thing is, he was still slightly skept I mean, I 360 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 1: don't know about slightly skeptical. He was still a skeptic, 361 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 1: I guess. But his whole beef was uh. And he says, 362 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: this is a direct quote, he said, everything was negative 363 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 1: and unyielding in their attitude. Everything had to have an explanation. 364 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: And I began to resent that even though I basically 365 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: felt the same way. I thought they weren't going about 366 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: it in the right way. So that was the deal 367 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 1: is the Air Force was just sort of an obligatory 368 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 1: stamp of not true. It was this, and he was like, well, 369 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think it's a alien saucer either, but like, 370 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 1: can we investigate it and get like a real explanation 371 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: at least? Yeah, that was definitely his thing. And then 372 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 1: the other thing was that one through line that has 373 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 1: kept skeptics interested in this is credible observers reporting incredible, 374 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 1: unexplainable things. That's right. So those two things, the Air 375 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: Force jurking him in the way that they were carrying 376 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: out the investigation, and these credible observers actually caused him 377 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,400 Speaker 1: to undergo a conversion. There's a debate, oh, for whether 378 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: it was a slow conversion or a quick conversion. Some 379 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 1: people suspect that he was actually a lifelong believer and 380 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 1: that he just kind of kept it under wraps. But 381 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 1: even after you underwent this conversion, which has been estimated 382 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: to have happened around nineteen sixty, he kept it. He 383 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 1: kept quiet, as a matter of fact, for years, and 384 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 1: he didn't want to stake his personal reputation, his professional career, 385 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: all that stuff on just coming out and being like, hey, everybody, 386 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 1: the Air Force is lying to you, especially considering that 387 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 1: the general public by this time had had completely bought 388 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 1: into the idea that the Air Force was just blatantly 389 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: and clumsily trying to cover up knowledge of UFOs and 390 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 1: their reality. Yeah, he said he was kind of waiting 391 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 1: for the big one, right, like something so irrefutable that 392 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: he could actually really go public with it. All right, Well, 393 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: let's talk about the swamp gas in Michigan. This is 394 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 1: in March nineteen sixty six, very famous case. Uh, there 395 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: was a sighting over several days or hundreds of people 396 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 1: that reported glowing objects hovering and flying around an arbor Michigan, 397 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: and then a bunch of towns along the countryside between 398 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: Toledo and Detroit. Same thing. Eight seven students at Hillsdale 399 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: College in Michigan, and they all said the same stuff 400 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 1: as that we've seen these objects with red, white and 401 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: blue lights. Um one family instead of UFO landed on 402 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 1: their farm. I don't know about that one, sure, but 403 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: you never know. Yeah, the college students might stretch credibility 404 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: a little bit, but it was a big national story. 405 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: Heinek went there and it was basically a frenzy, so 406 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 1: much so that he had trouble getting interviews with the 407 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: witnesses as the official like representative, because the press was 408 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 1: all over it. Right, Yeah, the press were eating up 409 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 1: all of their time. He couldn't he couldn't interview them, 410 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 1: but he finally did, and he held a press conference, 411 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: and um at the press conference, he said, it's possible 412 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 1: some some of the sightings may have mistaken swamp gas 413 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,479 Speaker 1: for UFOs. And in this guy's defense, he had he 414 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 1: said some. He didn't say all. He wasn't dismissive about it. 415 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 1: It was just something he said, but the press took 416 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: it and and it converted it into all. Basically, the 417 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: headlines read Heineck dismissed his sightings as swamp gas and 418 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: that that was that. Like he had basically said, it 419 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: was all swamp gas. Everybody knew that scores and dozens 420 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: and possibly hundreds of people across Ohio and Michigan hadn't 421 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: all seen swamp gas, and that was a preposterous explanation, 422 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: especially if you laid it on the whole thing. Yeah, 423 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 1: Johnny Carson even had an astronomer on to basically refute 424 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 1: the swamp gas theory. There. Yeah, there's a headline air 425 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: Force insults public with swamp gas theory. That wasn't like 426 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:54,919 Speaker 1: a legitimate newspaper. So it was a ridiculous thing that 427 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 1: got It was a dumb thing to say, but I 428 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: think he said it not not realizing that it was 429 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: going to become the explanation and it was going to 430 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: make him a further laughing stock. It just so happened 431 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: that that swamp gas thing was the last straw that 432 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: that broke Heine's back. Yeah, it broke his back. And 433 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: there was a senator out of Michigan named Gerald Ford, 434 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: and he said, I want to I demand a congressional hearing. 435 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: And they said who are you? He said, I'm Senator 436 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: Gerald Ford. I'm gonna be president one day. Yeah, you'll see. 437 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: I'll fix you good when i'm president. They said, how 438 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: are you gonna be president? Your senator? He said, well, 439 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: it's complicated, you'll see, right. Uh So he demands this 440 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 1: hearing and they, uh they held a hearing the following month, 441 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 1: and this is when Heinek really got a chance to 442 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: to kind of publicly out himself as a convert and 443 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:51,959 Speaker 1: said my recommendation, Senator Ford, watch your step is UFO 444 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 1: sighting should be investigated by scientists and not the military. 445 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: And this was music to the ears of the military 446 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. Yeah, they said, he said 447 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: it finally. Yeah, great, They said, yes, you're absolutely right, 448 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: we should have somebody scientifically investigate this. And the Air Force, 449 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:13,360 Speaker 1: for its part, saw an out of being in this 450 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: UFO investigating business that it didn't want to be in 451 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: the first place, that that in some way Heinek had 452 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: just opened the door for them. So they said, yeah, 453 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: we agree with Heinek. You guys should totally get some 454 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 1: sort of scientific study going. And I don't know if 455 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: it was Congress that hired them or if the Air 456 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 1: Force did, but either way, a committee led by a 457 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 1: physicist named Edward Condon, University of Colorado, UM Buffalo. They yeah, 458 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,479 Speaker 1: they took up the I they took up the task 459 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: of figuring out whether um UFOs actually were a thing 460 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: or not in deserve scientific study. Right. So this is 461 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: a three year study in the end, and the objective 462 00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 1: was to really take it seriously as an academic and 463 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: they did that, right. No, they didn't it was really 464 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 1: just a smoke screen um to get the Air Force 465 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: out of this business once and for all, because Condon basically, 466 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: and there was a bit of a drumbeat in the 467 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: public of like your wastinger taxpayer money. There were some 468 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,120 Speaker 1: people that shot this was super worthwhile, but most people 469 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: saw it as like, why is the Air Force wasting 470 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: their time with this stuff? I would guess that would 471 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: have been William F. Buckley's position probably, so so, Yeah, 472 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: there were some people, especially people in the Air Force tour, 473 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 1: like this is this is a dumb thing to do, 474 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,360 Speaker 1: where this is a dumb waste of time. So Condon said, Okay, 475 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: I am possibly the only person on the planet who's 476 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 1: in a position to get the Air Force out of 477 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: UFO investigations. I'll do a little wink wink, nudge nudge, 478 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: ask a few people if it pulsated or throbbed, and 479 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: then we'll just release a report that says no. And 480 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 1: that's exactly what they did. In January of nineteen sixty nine, 481 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: they released the Condom Report, which was respectably four and 482 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,199 Speaker 1: thirty nine pages long. Yeah, but this quote from Condon 483 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: though in sixty seven, uh, it is my inclination right 484 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: now to recommend that the government get out of this business. 485 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 1: My attitude right now is there's nothing to it. But 486 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 1: I'm not supposed to reach that conclusion for another year, 487 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: So that that really it really undermines that really frankly 488 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: whittles it down to about fifty just with that one quote. 489 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: You know, so, Um, the kind of report basically says, hey, everybody, Um, 490 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: our general conclusion is that nothing has come from the 491 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,199 Speaker 1: study of UFOs in the past twenty one years that 492 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: has added to scientific knowledge. Careful consideration of the record 493 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: as it is available to us leads us to conclude 494 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: that further extensive study of UFOs probably cannot be justified 495 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 1: in the expectation that science will be advanced thereby. And 496 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: the weird thing is, Chuck is I agree with him wholeheartedly. Yeah, 497 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: we didn't learn anything except about ourselves from investigating UFOs 498 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: all these years that we know about. Okay, I'll give 499 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: you that, except for toasters, and um, did that come 500 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 1: from the UFO tech. That's something what some people say, Yeah, yeah, 501 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: there's like if you're a UFO believer, Um, one of 502 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: the big things people point to is this boom in 503 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: technology that came after World War Two. We're on about 504 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: the time the ros Ball crash happened, and they point 505 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: to right Patterson and say, well, we learned a lot 506 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: from this, and we started making microwaves and tang and 507 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: all sorts of stuff ended up on the moon. Um, 508 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: those aliens were touched in their bread, and right, we 509 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: gotta get in on this. I like the real version 510 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 1: of it where that guy had a chocolate bar, Percy, 511 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: I can't remember his last name. He had a chocolate 512 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 1: bar in his in his pocket and melted when he 513 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: got too close to a microwave. He's like, let's start 514 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: making popcorn with this thing. Man, I forgot about that 515 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: guy Percy something. We're gonna call him Percy Sledge. Okay, 516 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 1: I was just about to say that. I was so uh. 517 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. Let's take a break here and 518 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: we'll tell you about what happened with Project blue Book 519 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: right after this. Alright, Project blue Book closed was killing 520 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: December seventeenth nine. It was officially closed the Airport sonatifact 521 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: sheet and said, no UFO has ever been a threat 522 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 1: to our national security. UM, they don't recognize any technological developments. Um, 523 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: there are no extraterrestrial vehicles. UM. And if you're a ufologist, 524 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: is that what it's called, you followed upologists? Then um, 525 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: you think it's just all one big lie. Still, yeah, 526 00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: there's there's another documented sighting. Here's the thing with all 527 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: these documented sightings, it's like, yes, people did say this. Yeah, 528 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: So it's it's really tough to kind of like as 529 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: coming from like the stuff you should know way to 530 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: be like, well to contradict this official report. Here's this other, 531 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: you know, thing that we should be skeptical of. But 532 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 1: there is there was something that happened at UM a 533 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: Malmstrom Air Force based in Montana in ninety seven where 534 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:34,959 Speaker 1: allegedly ten of our nuclear warheads were suddenly taken offline 535 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: while this unidentified object was hovering overhead, and that the 536 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 1: people who were tasked with UM watching the warheads all 537 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: reported on this and it was documented supposedly, and that 538 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: the Air Forces fact sheet thus that this was never 539 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: a threat to our national security was a flat lie. Yeah. 540 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: So in the end, they Project Bluebook and all of 541 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 1: the other projects came before it investigated over twelve thousand sightings, 542 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: UM seven hundred and one remained unidentified. If you go 543 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: by that number if you listen to the military, like 544 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 1: you said, half of those were you two's or blackbirds, 545 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: which is like what three fifty or so? But even 546 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: still okay, So there's three d and fifty that's a lot, okay, 547 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 1: But other people say, no, it's even more than that, 548 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: right exactly because these were official investigations and you didn't 549 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: even investigate the one that I saw, buddy. A lot 550 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: of that stuff goes on. That's one. Um. Yeah, and 551 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: that's actually evidenced in the number of sightings that increased 552 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: after Project Blue Books. So um, in nineteen sixty five, 553 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: I believe there was eight hundred and eighty six reported 554 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: sightings as part of Project Blue Book. In two thousand 555 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: and fourteen, there were eighty six hundred nineteen. In two 556 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: thou eighteen there were thirty two d and thirty six. 557 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: That was a slow year. So a lot of people 558 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 1: say the Air Force wasn't actually investigating all these Yeah, 559 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: and granted this is you should know, this comes from 560 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: private UH groups and citizens who have developed these groups 561 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 1: for reporting, like the National UFO Reporting Center, because it's 562 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: not codified now by the military, so citizens have done this. 563 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: So take it. Take that number with a grain of salt. 564 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's not necessarily that these 565 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: groups are drumming up sightings. There may even be more 566 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 1: because at the time, in the forties, fifties, and sixties, 567 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 1: the American public generally knew if you saw something, you 568 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 1: would contact your local Air Force base. I wonder how 569 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 1: many people know who to contact if they think they 570 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 1: see something, have no idea. I don't either. I would 571 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: just drive up to Dobbins and like knock on the 572 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: front gate. They'd be like, come inside, forever um. One 573 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: of the other things. One of the other reasons that 574 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 1: people say now the unidentified number is actually way higher 575 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: than seven hundred is because if you take those cases 576 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 1: where you say it was Jupiter, it was a weather balloon, 577 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: it was some stupid thing we just came up with. 578 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 1: Those cases go from identified to actually unidentified, and so 579 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 1: that number increases even further. Project Blue Book Will Never 580 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,879 Speaker 1: Die Friend, No, well not and something else won't ever 581 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 1: die is Heinik is the person who who developed the 582 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 1: very famous Close Encounters rating scale. Uh. If you've seen 583 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 1: the movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind, highly recommended. 584 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: First of all, great Great Steven Spielberg film with the 585 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 1: great great Richard Dreyfuss, Terry gar for God's sakes, but 586 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,919 Speaker 1: using that man, she's so good. I miss her. So 587 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 1: the first kind is and you get one point. It's 588 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: a rating scale for the believability of a sighting. Yeah, 589 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,320 Speaker 1: I just love the point thing, right, I got two points. 590 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 1: So you get one point if you uh see a 591 00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: UFO within five feet not bad. Set kind is two points. 592 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: Of course, that is a physical effect um happens, which 593 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 1: is like in Close Encounters when he's on the railroad tracks, 594 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 1: his headlights start going bersark and his truck shakes, and 595 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 1: the crossing gate on the on the railroad track goes 596 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,839 Speaker 1: up and down. That would be I wonder if there'd 597 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 1: be two points for each of those things. Are two 598 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,399 Speaker 1: points for the experience? I don't know, because I mean 599 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 1: you're just running those numbers, two for each point. It 600 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 1: blinked again, It blinked again, right. And then finally the 601 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,919 Speaker 1: third kind, the old three point line, that is when 602 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: you see an alien or interact with an alien, and 603 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: obviously in the film, that is when Richard Dreyfuss at 604 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: the end walks up into that spaceship and takes the 605 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: hand the aliens and probably like the most unbelivable. It's 606 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,280 Speaker 1: a pretty old movie. And then it's called the Third Kind. Sure, 607 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 1: so the most unbelievable part of this whole thing is 608 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 1: that Heinik went from the guy who was saying it 609 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: was a weather balloon, it was this train pilot saw 610 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 1: Jupiter even though Jupiter wasn't even the sky right then 611 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:08,879 Speaker 1: to the guy who literally wrote the book that founded uphology, 612 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: it was the UFO experience calling a scientific inquiry. Yeah, 613 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 1: he just completely basically switched sides and said, there's a 614 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 1: lot of stuff that we can't explain. Here's all these 615 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,440 Speaker 1: you know, all this experience that I have investigating these things. 616 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,399 Speaker 1: Let's go forward and figure this out. I don't want 617 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 1: to be a cynic, but I wonder what salary he 618 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: had as a private citizen for years and years doing 619 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 1: this being the face of this. Do you think he 620 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 1: was like, that's pretty good money. Maybe, And then when 621 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,759 Speaker 1: the time was up, he said, you know what writes 622 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,359 Speaker 1: some books? Maybe, um As from what I can tell, 623 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,400 Speaker 1: he's a respected person in the field and in a 624 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,760 Speaker 1: lot of fields. Actually I didn't get anything because whenever, 625 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,439 Speaker 1: you know, when we research something, if somebody's like that 626 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,399 Speaker 1: somebody's out there sniping them. I don't remember this really 627 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: coming up. The only thing I saw that was that 628 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,319 Speaker 1: was somebody throwing shade. Was the idea that he had 629 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 1: been a believer all along, right, and then it was 630 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:14,360 Speaker 1: actually faking as a skeptic. But he was a pretty 631 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 1: pretty believable fake skeptic. That's right. And here's the deal 632 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 1: though things did not stop. UM. That was a classified 633 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:26,319 Speaker 1: memo that's not classified any longer from October nine, just 634 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:31,720 Speaker 1: before blue Book was terminated, that basically revealed that like, hey, 635 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna still investigate stuff. It's not part of blue 636 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 1: Book anymore, but here's how we're gonna do it and 637 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 1: what we're gonna do, like, here's the process, and that astounding. Yeah, 638 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,279 Speaker 1: I mean not really, but I mean there was a 639 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 1: memo that was sent out after blue Book, right before 640 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,799 Speaker 1: blue Book was shut down, saying, don't worry, we're still 641 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 1: going to have procedure for reporting this stuff and investigating it. 642 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 1: It's just not going to be public, right, and uh, 643 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 1: Harry Reid sent a majority leader at the time, UM, 644 00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 1: he had his program. It was all over the news, 645 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 1: UM where what was it called the Advanced Aerospace Threat 646 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:08,719 Speaker 1: Identification Program because I guess Harry Reid thought there's something 647 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,279 Speaker 1: out there and we need to look. It was a 648 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,840 Speaker 1: pet project of his. That's right. You know, both Carter 649 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,880 Speaker 1: and Reagan claimed to have seen UFOs. I think I 650 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,840 Speaker 1: did know that a new Carter. Of course Carter. I 651 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,759 Speaker 1: didn't know about Reagan. I don't think really. Oh yeah, 652 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,280 Speaker 1: we talked about that. I think we did, uh live 653 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 1: at at Comic Con, didn't we do Ufoh this was better? 654 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:39,760 Speaker 1: I agree? I think I agree. This feels more like real. Yeah. Well, 655 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,440 Speaker 1: if there's anything unreal, it's being at actually south By 656 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:50,360 Speaker 1: Southwest that wasn't Yes, okay, no comment. But this stuff 657 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 1: still goes on. Even though that project from Harry Reid 658 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 1: was shut down supposedly or shut down in twelve people 659 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,719 Speaker 1: involved say, no, we're still doing it. We're still doing 660 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,480 Speaker 1: that stuff. And here's the thing. When that came out, 661 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 1: this is two thousand seventeen. The guy who ran that 662 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,759 Speaker 1: that program um came out and told everybody about it. 663 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,360 Speaker 1: The New York Times reported on it, used all this 664 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,880 Speaker 1: breathless stuff like really jumped to conclusions with the facts, 665 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 1: and then other people started reporting on that and exactly 666 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,440 Speaker 1: the kind of reporting that was going on in the 667 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 1: forties and the fifties and the sixties and the seventies 668 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 1: about UFOs just continued again in two thousand seventeen. And 669 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,680 Speaker 1: this is just probably how it's always going to be. Yeah. 670 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,880 Speaker 1: And one of the big things was this two thousand 671 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:37,360 Speaker 1: four sighting in San Diego from to I think Navy pilots. 672 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,160 Speaker 1: And then they released the footage just a couple of 673 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 1: years ago in two thousand seventeen, as part of this 674 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,760 Speaker 1: New York Times article. Yeah, they released the video footage 675 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,799 Speaker 1: and you can go watch it on YouTube. I was 676 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,440 Speaker 1: released in December of Uh. It is just I mean, 677 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,520 Speaker 1: you can see this flying saucer, and you can hear 678 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:59,359 Speaker 1: these pilots, these trained navy pilots. What the heck? Yeah, 679 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,560 Speaker 1: they're like, look at it. Bro um. He actually said 680 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:07,200 Speaker 1: bro uh did he? I must party calls him bro. 681 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,719 Speaker 1: They described it as a forty ft long tic tac uh, 682 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,359 Speaker 1: and then afterward, in subsequent interviews, one of them said 683 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 1: it it accelerated like nothing I've ever seen before. And 684 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,239 Speaker 1: I have no idea what I saw that day, saw 685 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:25,760 Speaker 1: the newest by plane from the future. Who knows, Well, 686 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,680 Speaker 1: that's it for Project Bluebook. Everybody, I'm sure we um 687 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 1: less some stuff out. If we did, let us know, 688 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,719 Speaker 1: especially if you're U followedists. We want to hear from you. 689 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,480 Speaker 1: Um And since I said we want to hear from you, 690 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,480 Speaker 1: that means, of course it's time for a listener mail. 691 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:43,680 Speaker 1: This is just a little shout out about a couple 692 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:48,520 Speaker 1: of references that that Brad and Sacramento likes. Thanks for 693 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,040 Speaker 1: everything over the years, guys. I had to write in 694 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 1: too acknowledge Chuck's Striper reference in the Nuclear Semiotics episode. 695 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,680 Speaker 1: It had me laughing. It took me back. I discovered 696 00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:01,239 Speaker 1: Striper in the late nineties, which is pretty late for 697 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:05,000 Speaker 1: Striper really, and they were kind of a joke in 698 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:06,799 Speaker 1: my circle of friends, most of them who had grown 699 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,280 Speaker 1: up involved in the church. To Hell with the Devil 700 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,960 Speaker 1: has been my favorite. Was it the name of their album? 701 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,080 Speaker 1: I think so, or maybe it was just a song. 702 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,800 Speaker 1: It's another an album called The Yellow and Black Attack. 703 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:22,480 Speaker 1: I had these in my record collections. I don't anymore, 704 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:27,000 Speaker 1: you lie, I wish I did. I'm surprised you haven't 705 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,960 Speaker 1: gone back. Might it would be a fun party joke 706 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,880 Speaker 1: to see how long it up on? I would love 707 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,560 Speaker 1: to hear about Chuck's experience seeing them live. Well, I'll 708 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:41,480 Speaker 1: go ahead and tell you I was into it when 709 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,960 Speaker 1: I saw them live, like black and Yellow, spandex Sure. Yeah, 710 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,600 Speaker 1: the drummer played. He was set up sideways. I remember 711 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,960 Speaker 1: that was interesting, Like he was turned perpendicular to the 712 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,239 Speaker 1: stage to the crowd. Yeah, like the drum set was 713 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,640 Speaker 1: facing the side of the stage. Well, I guess because 714 00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,120 Speaker 1: he would sing and the microphone was to his left 715 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,319 Speaker 1: facing the audience. But I don't It still doesn't make sense, 716 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 1: So I don't know why they did it. There's a 717 00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 1: million ways you can put that microphone that's easier than 718 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,279 Speaker 1: turning the whole drum kid, I totally that guy liked 719 00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,080 Speaker 1: his abs is what it was, and he wanted you 720 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,520 Speaker 1: to like. I don't know if I'm not mistaken. The 721 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:19,840 Speaker 1: drummer was the brother of the singer. Uh, Michael, Sweet, 722 00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:24,440 Speaker 1: I'm pulling this all out of behind in your so, Josh. 723 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,360 Speaker 1: My favorite reference of yours was a while ago. I 724 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,200 Speaker 1: don't remember all the details, but I had something to 725 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,439 Speaker 1: do with a scene from Harry and the Henderson's when 726 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,239 Speaker 1: Lithgow was trying to get Harry to go back into 727 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,839 Speaker 1: the wild do you remember what you said? Yeah, I 728 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,560 Speaker 1: was just describing how he like punches them in the face. 729 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,600 Speaker 1: He says, yeah, but I don't remember what that was 730 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,840 Speaker 1: in reference to it wasn't that long ago. I do. 731 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,839 Speaker 1: I do remember that. Remember, you guys have a way 732 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,719 Speaker 1: of making personal connection with your listeners, and I can 733 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,200 Speaker 1: really appreciate that. Thanks for keeping things PG because I 734 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,480 Speaker 1: love to listen with my kids and that is Brad 735 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,279 Speaker 1: and Sacramento. Yeah. Man, it's kind of the point now 736 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,920 Speaker 1: where I feel your cursing. I had to get used 737 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,120 Speaker 1: to it on movie Crush cursing, and then it's now 738 00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,360 Speaker 1: it's his second nature. Has it become weird on stuff? 739 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,879 Speaker 1: You should know to not curse an adult? I can. 740 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,120 Speaker 1: There's a dividing line. Oh b camera, huh, yep. Nice. 741 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,640 Speaker 1: I'm just a big dumb animal. No, no, no, It 742 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:22,840 Speaker 1: takes a It takes a lot of verve and grit 743 00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:27,480 Speaker 1: and to be able to curse here and not curse there. 744 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,720 Speaker 1: I've always been really good at it because of nieces 745 00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,160 Speaker 1: and nephews and just I was always hyper aware and 746 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,600 Speaker 1: still am about being in public and like people being 747 00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,839 Speaker 1: around that I might offend. I don't. I don't want 748 00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,560 Speaker 1: to be that guy. Yeah. Well, if you want to 749 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:46,240 Speaker 1: congratulate Chuck on this amazing sentiment of his, you should 750 00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,560 Speaker 1: follow us on social media. 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