1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: Okay, So, Matt, since the moment we met, you and 2 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: I have both been fascinated by the idea of government's 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: researching psychic powers, right, Am, I am I on base 4 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,159 Speaker 1: with that? No, you're so off base. Uh. And I 5 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: knew you were going to say that I am psych No. No, 6 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: that's that's exactly right, and in particular because we know 7 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: after years of reading that all of these governments are 8 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: really just motivated by each other because everybody thinks it's 9 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: really paranoia. Everybody thinks the other person might have some 10 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: kind of weird access into another energy. Right. Oh, yeah, 11 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: it's pretty cool. Yeah, yeah, well it's it's pretty bad 12 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 1: for the accountants involved, but it does it does definitely 13 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: drive a lot of the world. So if you were 14 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: listening to this show, first off, thank you by our book. Secondly, 15 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 1: you should know that the US government has done a 16 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: lot of things of films like The Men Who Stare 17 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: at goats Is it's based on a real project that 18 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: the US paid for called uh Stargate, And there are 19 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: other additional attempts to plumb the depths of the human 20 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 1: mind and to suss out whether or not people may 21 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: have powers that we would consider extraordinary like psychic powers, clairvoyance, telekinesis, telepathy, 22 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: astral travel, etcetera, etcetera. Today's classic episode concerns just what 23 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: we're describing. It turns out the People's Republic of China, 24 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: just as Matt said, wanted to keep up with the Joneses. Yeah, 25 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: this is some real X Men stuff. Kinda right, yes. 26 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies, history has 27 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: riddle with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 28 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello, 29 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my 30 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: name is Noman, my name is Ben. You're you, you 31 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 1: have a name. The name of this show is stuff 32 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. Uh, welcome back if 33 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: it's uh. If you're a longtime listener, and if you're 34 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: listening for the first time, boy, we got a doozy 35 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 1: for you today. This is a real weird one. If 36 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: you're listening to this show, then the odds are you 37 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: are much more likely than the average person to already 38 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: know about something called operations. Stargate that movie with James Spader, Yes, 39 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: and the guy from the Crying Game and move with 40 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: James Spader and the guy from The Crying Game, who 41 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: I thought I did a great job, and both of 42 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: those films, The Power, Powerhouse, Powerhouse sam as much anymore 43 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: these days, though he's off counting money. I think it 44 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,519 Speaker 1: was also a long running TV show. You guys come 45 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 1: on with like seven different iterations Crying Game. Yes, so 46 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: somebody would watch it, and it has to have the 47 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: breakdown in the shower every episode. Operation Stargate, which can 48 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: be confused with with the TV series and and a 49 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: great film with James Spader, was a name that the U. S. 50 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: Army employed for a secret initiative to investigate what's known 51 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: as remote viewing, clairvoyance, or astral travel, all kinds of 52 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: different paranormal phenomena. Very much theremony, Yeah, exactly. I mean 53 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: it makes sense if you think about it. If we say, okay, 54 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: just what if what if people can travel outside of 55 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,040 Speaker 1: their bodies, be aware of things without physically being in 56 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: the location or having some device that physically transmits that 57 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: information to them, just like a feat on a camera. Well, 58 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: that would be great. You could see nuclear facilities from 59 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: enemy countries. You could find out where different resources are hidden. Uh. 60 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: Today most of the world considers these programs to be 61 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: examples of just huge financial mistakes, government boondoggles. They're held 62 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: up as evidence most of the time of just how 63 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: strange and weird and wasteful the Cold War became. There's 64 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 1: a film that really popularized operations stargate for a lot 65 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,679 Speaker 1: of people, and that was The Men Who Stare At Goats? 66 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: Did you guys ever see that one? Did? Yes, George Clooney, 67 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 1: And it goes into some of the specifics, although it's 68 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: you know, it's based on the actual events, right, like 69 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 1: Texas chainsaw maskers based on actual events. I always wonder 70 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 1: if that's different. You know, sometimes you'll see something that's 71 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: based on a true story, and then when it gets 72 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: super wild, they have to say inspired by a true story, 73 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 1: which I always thought was a very It's a little 74 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: difference that you might not notice. It's like cheese versus 75 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: cheese food products, sort of like saying based on a 76 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: short story by Stephen King, right, and shout out to 77 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: Stephen King. You know, if you are a student and 78 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: you have an idea to turn one of his short 79 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: stories into a film, he will sell the rights to 80 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: you for one dollar. Wow, Just tof that anybody out 81 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: there is putting off your next big magnum opus because 82 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 1: you thought you couldn't afford Stephen Kings the rights to 83 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: his work. Well, it's a go time. So the reason 84 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: why there was so much spending on on this stuff 85 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: during Cold Cold War times is because if your enemy 86 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: has the capability to do this and you do not, 87 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: you just don't spend any money because you think it's hogwash, 88 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 1: then you're going to be in serious trouble because your 89 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 1: enemies are looking at your nuclear basis. Yeah, they have 90 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: a gap, right, so you have to bet that even 91 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: though it's probably not real, it might be what if 92 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: it is? Right? In previous episodes, we'd covered Stargate as 93 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: well as earlier Soviet research into the paranormal, which was 94 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: one of the episodes I personally liked the most. Is 95 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: that quest for Shambalah and seeking to control Eurasia. Uh. 96 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: The Nazis also had an esoteric experimentation ring that was 97 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: more focused on the occult rather than psychic powers. But 98 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: there's one country that gets weirdly skipped over in most 99 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: of these conversations, China. You think that it would be 100 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: in the conversations, right, It's one of the biggest, at 101 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: least the most numerous humans in the world are there, 102 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: You'd think, you know, there's a lot of money that 103 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: goes into military there and a lot of innovation and there, 104 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 1: you know, with superpower and militarily speaking as well. Yeah, 105 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: so one would think that of course they would be 106 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: participating in this too, uh, And they were for decades. 107 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 1: The Chinese government has research psychic and paran normal phenomena, 108 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: and many of their focus areas differed from programs in 109 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: the West. So what do we know about China's Let's 110 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: see if I can say this right, China's psychic child 111 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: warrior research. Awesome, it's a mouthful. Well, first of all, 112 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: we have to throw caveat out here that none of 113 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: us are fluent in Chinese in any of the forms, 114 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: Mandarin or otherwise. Ben has a little bit of experiments 115 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: experience in college, but uh, you dabbled in college. Well yeah, 116 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: I still I still study Mandarin. But I think it 117 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: would be ridiculous to say that, you know, we were, 118 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: we were fluent A lot of the a lot of 119 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: the information about this stuff and this phenomenon uh comes 120 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: from you know, as printed in Chinese, and still isn't translated. Yeah, so, 121 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: but we do have some translated stuff that we found 122 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: via the CIA, via a couple writers from the eighties, 123 00:07:56,160 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: I believe, right. And there's some interviews as well. So 124 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: we we did some we did some digging, uh, and 125 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: we're gonna give it. We're going to give it the 126 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: old college try. If you happen to be fluent in 127 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: written Chinese, we would love to hear your thoughts on 128 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: a few things that I could send you so right 129 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: to us. The Western public learned about these programs for 130 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: the most part in January of nineteen eighty five, because 131 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: there was a magazine called Omni, which may have heard of, 132 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: and a journalist called Marcelo Truzi, and Truzi wrote an 133 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: essay about quote China's Psychic Savants, and he traces in 134 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: the says a traces the rise of modern interest in 135 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: psychic powers amongst Chinese children specifically, and there's an interesting 136 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: story about how this occurs. The story begins with an 137 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: eleven year old named Tang You. On one day, Tang 138 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: You was walking and happened to brush against his friend's 139 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: coat pocket. He then received an immediate vision of two 140 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: Chinese characters. Um written characters shining with stark clarity in 141 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: his mind. He discovered his friend's pocket contained a cigarette 142 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: pack with two such characters printed on the package. Um. 143 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: He was intrigued, understandably, and began to play a guessing 144 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 1: game yeah with the swishes um with his fellow villagers, 145 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: and he would ask them to write random Chinese characters 146 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,719 Speaker 1: on pieces of paper, crumpled the paper into balls, and 147 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 1: let him hold the wads of paper next to his ear, 148 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,679 Speaker 1: and then he would guess the message and apparently with 149 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: one accuracy. And we'll get to that a little more later. Yeah, 150 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: And that's that's absolutely it. So he was this is 151 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: something you don't really hear about when people in the 152 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: West talk about psychic powers or these sorts of abilities, 153 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: you know, being able to see I guess through your ear. 154 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: That was a focused point for him. Uh. Words spread. 155 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: The Regional Science Commission asked to examine this child, and 156 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: allegedly they were also convinced and also, hang on, you know, 157 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:17,719 Speaker 1: I think we we should spend a second on this. 158 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: She has notice this eleven year old and his friend 159 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: are smoking. At eleven years old. I didn't want to judge, 160 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: but I definitely felt like come on, guys, let's not 161 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: do that. Were they on the Island of Lost children? Know? Right? I? Yeah, 162 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 1: I just you know, I don't know how old the 163 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: friend is, right, maybe he's twenty three. Maybe maybe he's 164 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: twenty three. Maybe it's a big brothers big sisters being 165 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: his kids. Smoking is bad. Don't do it, whether you're 166 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: eleven of fifty three, and you know it. The smoking 167 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: is probably not the source of the guy's claimed powers. 168 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: So don't don't smoke for superpowers either, just to be clear. Well, okay, 169 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: So word spread and the Science Commission in the region 170 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 1: was also convinced. So the Sichuan Provincial Party Committee it's 171 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: like a local government organization, backed the results, and the 172 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: story was published in a regional newspaper called The Sichuan 173 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: Daily in ninety nine on March eleventh, and this led 174 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: to more and more and more and more children across 175 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: China being identified as psychics, possessing some variation of what 176 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: the state officials and scientists referred to as extraordinary functions 177 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 1: of the human body. That's very important. Yeah, yeah, what 178 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: is it e F h B yeah, or e h 179 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 1: F e h B yeah, extraordinary human functions? Yeah, instead 180 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: of e sp so they have Some say they have 181 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: powers that are similar to tanks, but not not quite 182 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: the same. Yeah, talking about deciphering hidden messages on from 183 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 1: various places and with various parts of their bodies, with 184 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: their fingers, the palms of their hands, their tops of 185 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:14,199 Speaker 1: their heads, their scalps, their abdomens, their feet. Even try 186 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: how about an armpit. Throw something in your armpit. I 187 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 1: can tell you exactly what's hidden inside that container. No. Um. 188 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: Also the butt talk, what a what an inconvenient superpower? Like? Look, 189 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: I can read secret messages or I can read through 190 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: my butt. Yeah, I could read through it. But I 191 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: just don't sit on anything sensitive and you'll be fine. 192 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a weird one, but people were claiming that, 193 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: and other reports surface claiming the kids were capable of 194 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:47,679 Speaker 1: telepathy or X ray vision, clairvoyance, and psychokinesis. So the 195 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: kids typically ranged from nine to fourteen, with some of 196 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 1: them actually as young as four and as old as 197 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: twenty five. It was estimated by feng Hua, a traditional 198 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: Chinese physics, that there were about two thousands such gifted 199 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: kids within the Chinese population of a billion, which is, 200 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,959 Speaker 1: you know, a very very very small minuscule ratio if 201 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: you think about it. So they weren't claiming that, you know, 202 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: one out of five or whatever children can read through 203 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: their armpits, or can you know, move objects with their minds. 204 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: But this became a widespread belief in people examined it 205 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:35,199 Speaker 1: in night. This is when it gets national, like countrywide attention, 206 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: because they're mentioned in what is thought to be one 207 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: of the more prestigious journals at the time, China's Nature Journal. 208 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 1: And we have a quote from the article in Omni 209 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: the trus you wrote, which I think sums it up 210 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:53,079 Speaker 1: pretty well. That February, the surge of interest prompted Nature 211 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: Journal to sponsor a huge conference, the first Science Symposium 212 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: on the Extraordinary Function of the Human Body, for participants 213 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 1: from more than twenty colleges and medical schools. The proceedings 214 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: were filmed by the Shanghai Science and Education Studio, and 215 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: the film called do You Believe It? Was shown over 216 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: national television two millions of Chinese people. And once that happened, 217 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: oh you thought that, you thought those first two thousand 218 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: were it? No surre Bob, children with alleged psychic powers 219 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: came out of the figurative would work so this is 220 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: the beginning of the modern outbreak of interest in Chinese 221 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: PSI or you know, as you say, the extraordinary human functions. Ben, 222 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: I just want to say that number that we're quoting, 223 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: two thousand out of one billion, and then an increasing 224 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: number after it became more and more popularized or at 225 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: least known it. Really, as someone who watched and read 226 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: X Men growing up, it feels like an X Men ratio. 227 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: And that's uh, that's before was it decimation when all 228 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: the people lose through powers or m day? Excuse me? Spoilers? Oh? Man, 229 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: this again? All right? No, you're right, you're right, You're right, guys, 230 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: I just ruined the world of comics. It's okay, man, 231 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: it's okay. I guess that maybe that's our collective power 232 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: is to spoil stories, spoilers, the spoilers that's probably already 233 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: and our cat and our our rallying cry will be 234 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: spoiler alert. Yeah, it's right, that's not bad at all. 235 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: You know, I'm worried though. Does that make us sound 236 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: more like, you know, if there were a commercial for 237 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: ziplock bags or something, would we be the bad guys 238 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: like the spoilers? Yeah? You know, our tupperware or something. 239 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: I don't know. We would be like the annoyed three 240 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: versions of any really fast that film. Do you believe it? 241 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: I did some searching around trying to find the even 242 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: clips of it or anything, and I was unsuccessful. And 243 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: I think maybe it's a translation thing. I need to 244 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: find the the actual translation of Mandarin and not you know, 245 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: a Google version of the translation. But if you find it, 246 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: any of you out there, please send it our way. 247 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: Conspiracy and how Stuff Works dot com. And so this 248 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: interest in extraordinary human functions or extraordinary functions of the 249 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: human body, excuse me, this comes out here in the eighties. 250 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: And before we go further into the modern outbreak of 251 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: interest in Chinese side or extraordinary functions, we have to 252 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: look at some of the context. So operations Stargate remote 253 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: viewing it tended to, at least as we know, concentrate 254 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: almost exclusively on that. And what we have to say 255 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: as far as we know, because we only know what 256 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: was declassified. And some of the people who I think 257 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 1: the program really worked, or claiming that Uncle Sam still 258 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: is holding back the stuff that works. Yeah, the stuff 259 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 1: that worked. Um, the Chinese programs took a wider more 260 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: varied approach, and at least some part of the pursuit 261 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:22,719 Speaker 1: was widely publicized. There was a TV show that's like 262 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 1: if Operation Stargate was occurring, and they had a television 263 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: show called way a Second. Uh yeah, So this the 264 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: thing is, though, this modern version is rooted in something much, 265 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: much older, because research in the Middle Kingdom in this 266 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: area of of energy, right, intangible energy and extraordinary functions 267 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: dates back to ancient times, long before the existence of 268 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: the People's Republic of China, long before the USA or 269 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 1: what we recognize as many European countries. Chinese scholars and 270 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: holy figures research the concept of ch So what what 271 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: what does we've discussed g before on this show. Well, 272 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: you may think of it as energy, which is the 273 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: way most people do. I think some kind of life force. 274 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: It's it's the thing. I'll tell you what it is. 275 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: What is it? It's Medicalrean's good old George Lucas. Yeah, 276 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: he ripped that off from this, this Eastern idea of 277 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 1: the no punch knockout right, yes, right, Because we've seen 278 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 1: ch um tested on different shows, right, television shows. Uh, 279 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: Darren Brown I think is one of the people who 280 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: test she James Randy, the world famous skeptics, had people 281 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 1: testing chi and while those examples we just named usually 282 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 1: end up with him saying nah, it might just be 283 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 1: the power of suggestion, people do believe it, and we 284 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: have seen um neurological changes like genuine mind over matter 285 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: in people who meditate in certain ways over time. It's 286 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,919 Speaker 1: not like eight minutes, but you know, yes, exactly or 287 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,719 Speaker 1: longer or longer. Yeah, So if we look at it 288 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 1: in this ancient context, then it seems pretty understandable that 289 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:25,360 Speaker 1: someone would tie culturally the idea of modern psychic powers 290 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: or extraordinary human abilities to uh, the pre existing ideas 291 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: of a person's energy which is capable of extraordinary feats. Right, 292 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 1: And it goes back to mythology, It goes back to medicine. 293 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 1: It goes way way way back. Yeah. Some of the 294 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: earlier dates could be traced back as far as four 295 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:52,360 Speaker 1: hundred BC in a book called the Yellow Emperor's Classic 296 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 1: on Internal Medicine. So the idea of using using chi 297 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 1: to produce some sort of otherwise supernatural or extraordinary effect 298 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: didn't seem quite as implausible to to some folks. And Matt, 299 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, we have a video on she Uh, 300 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: check that out if you like more info. In our defense, 301 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 1: I think that's one of our older ones. It's so 302 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: little old, there's not it's not too crazy old. It 303 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: ends up coming. That topic comes up a lot in 304 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 1: various other wider things that we discuss, right right, Uh, 305 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: you know we see it here in fiction even in 306 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 1: the modern day. Right. The one thing that's coming out 307 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 1: as we record this, I believe pretty soon Netflix is 308 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: releasing another another Marvel show called Iron Fist, which is 309 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: controversial for some other reasons. The important part for it 310 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: in this conversation is that he's basically a cheese superhero. Right. 311 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: It's kind of cool, you know. And that's that's not 312 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: that's not a spoilers. Is it a spoiler? That he's white? Done? 313 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: Done done? That's the other controversial part, right, But you know, cheat, 314 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: it's it's a round, That's what we're saying. It's the 315 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: thing it is. And since we're talking about our YouTube channel, 316 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 1: let's quickly jump in here. Guys. We've been making videos 317 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: for a long time, way before we begin this podcast, 318 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: and we switch it over to our YouTube channel a 319 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: while ago two thousand twelve, I think, and we have 320 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: not put anything out in several months. And that is 321 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: because we've been working on the Guide Stones video as 322 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 1: a longer piece, and that is really where we've been 323 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 1: focusing all of our attention. When I say we, I 324 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: mean us. But unfortunately I'm taking a lot longer than 325 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 1: I should be on it. Well, and let's not forget 326 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: that it takes time and effort to produce this podcast 327 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: every week and we've been putting a lot into that 328 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 1: as well. And you know we we we all wear 329 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 1: a lot of hats like we say, um and yeah, 330 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 1: but look for some cool, longer form deep die videos 331 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 1: instead of the usual um, you know three and have 332 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: five six minute videos. We're gonna really give you some 333 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: stuff to chew on. But those are coming back, the 334 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: the chewy ones that are the les, the snack of all, Yes, 335 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 1: the by size, the Halloween, the fun size, like the 336 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 1: Dunk Dunk a Ruse, the video. We just really want 337 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: to finish this big one. Yes, yeah, we absolutely do. 338 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 1: But thanks to everyone who asked, we are we are alive. 339 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,479 Speaker 1: No one has forced us to the like no one. 340 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,199 Speaker 1: I don't know about you, guys, No one showed up 341 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 1: in my life. And you know, a dark suit and 342 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: told me to stop. I just get phone calls where 343 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: there's just someone breathing. On the other hand, still, I 344 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: think it might be might be me calling myself from 345 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: the future and in a very weird way. Huh. Well, hey, guys, 346 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: I don't know if this is a good time or not, 347 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 1: but should we take a commercial break? I mean, we've 348 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: gone totally off the rails, as good a time as any. 349 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 1: We'll be back, and we're we're back. They for join us. 350 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 1: We're back in the game here. So we said, there's 351 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: this vast and storied and beautiful cultural underpinnion of interest 352 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: and belief in in this concept. But there's also often 353 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:31,919 Speaker 1: in this part of the world a very very controlling government. Uh. 354 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: Some cheer related practices were banned under the tenets of 355 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: the Cultural Revolution after the During the Marxist take over, 356 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 1: nine authorities put a clamp on belief in the supernatural, 357 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: and they had some pretty cross things to say about it. Yeah, 358 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: the the official critics thought parapsychology was superstitious, mystical nonsense, 359 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: labeling it religion without the cross. That's a rough one. Uh. 360 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: They even accused the U s and the U s 361 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: s are so the Union of vigorously promoting psychic phenomenon 362 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 1: to distract citizens from essentially the world's real problems. So, 363 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: you know, as as we know, a propaganda got kind 364 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 1: of weird in the in the Cold War era, but 365 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: it's even weirder today. You could argue it's harder to 366 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: even detect today, I think, right, So when when did 367 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: this change? This attitude of the government hating any exploration 368 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: of the supernatural, All of this finally changed in nineteen 369 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 1: right around the time that psychic abilities were given a 370 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: little more credence, got some more attention. Um, when the 371 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: Beijing Review wrote that quote, so long as these activities 372 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: do not affect the political and productive activities of the collective, 373 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 1: the government will not prevent them by administrative means. So 374 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: essentially they're saying, look, if you don't ness with what 375 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: we consider the real stuff, we're not going to make 376 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 1: it illegal, and uh, you know in in many cases, 377 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: uh well we'll get We'll get to the modern cases 378 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: here too. So they didn't say we're definitely gonna help 379 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: you at first, we just made it not illegal, And 380 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: so Chinese journals would continue to publish papers on tigong 381 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: or other you know, psychic related phenomenon. They often did 382 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: so without government support, you know, just sort of this 383 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: implicit do as you will um, but don't ask us 384 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:36,400 Speaker 1: for money. And despite this occasional lack of institutional support, 385 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 1: the studies produced results that initially impressed American scientists and 386 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: frightened some other members some other members of American institutions. Yeah. 387 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty one, report came out by the Committee 388 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: for the Study of Exceptional Human Functions on experience with children, 389 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 1: and this inspired US scientists to visit China at the time, 390 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 1: and they looked at children, a group group of children 391 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: that were aged seven to twelve, all of whom had 392 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 1: alleged psychic abilities, which is kind of cool. They got 393 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 1: to study them or again see some demonstrations or figure 394 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: out ways to improve the testing would be one of 395 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: the one of the main approaches. And then there were 396 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: experiments relating acupuncture and ESP at the Institute of High 397 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: Level Physics in Beijing, and they demonstrated that acupressure points 398 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 1: you know when you stick the needle. Yeah, sure, I've 399 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 1: not have you guys ever done acupuncture. It was done 400 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: on my ear at our office. Actually, what was it like? 401 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: I felt like someone put a needle in my ear 402 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,360 Speaker 1: and it supposedly was supposed to make my back feel better, 403 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 1: and I swear to you my back started feeling better. 404 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 1: And I guarantee you it was my brain making it happen. 405 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: Maybe that's how it works. The needle makes your brain 406 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 1: makes it happen. Psycho somatic, addict, insane. So I mean 407 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 1: that that is an interesting argument. And Josh and Chuck 408 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 1: have uh, Josh and Chuck over stuff you should know, 409 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: have a a good episode on how acupuncture works. Which 410 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: can you know it's a controversial thing for a lot 411 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,159 Speaker 1: of people. Did you do it as a demonstration for 412 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: a video or no? No, we had a health and 413 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 1: wellness thing back when Discovery owned our our website and 414 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,440 Speaker 1: they had some people come out. I don't you guys 415 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: don't remember this, Okay. I did not opt for the 416 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 1: acupuncture that that that stuff freaks me out. I think 417 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: I just went to the free stuff they had, like 418 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: bags of good Yeah, yeah, I got you. It was 419 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: a good day in March. I think I got a 420 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: BackRub too for free. Pretty awesome, right, Yeah, it doesn't 421 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,719 Speaker 1: have it very often at work, but you are persuaded somehow. 422 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: You did notice a difference, And yes, I created a difference, 423 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:57,160 Speaker 1: I believe, and the this Institute of High Level Physics invasion. 424 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:03,160 Speaker 1: What they what they demon straighted was that ACU pressure 425 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: points show a lower skin resistance to electricity and a 426 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: high conductivity to electricity during periods of increased psychic activity. 427 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: That's a quote because that last part is a little dodgy. 428 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: What is increased psychic activity? Does that just mean you're 429 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 1: thinking diligently? You know what part of your brain are 430 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 1: you using? What is the what is the specific mechanism? 431 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: Is it a choker thing? I mean, we gotta get 432 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 1: into this. I don't know. We should do an episode 433 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: on chokers. I'd like to UM interview someone who is 434 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: well versed in that these abilities we're not just limited to, 435 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: you know, reading through the armpit or moving stuff in 436 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: the mind. There are specific examples, they kept popping up 437 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: over and over. Yes. Another power was to influence the 438 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: mind of someone else UM, either to like, let's say, 439 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: focus on some decision maker, someone at the top of 440 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 1: either a company or a government, maybe maybe a foreign diplomat, 441 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: and you could focus on them and through some kind 442 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: of telepathic or subconscious means, you could make them do 443 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: what you wanted. Yeah. Like, imagine for a comparison, if 444 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 1: you had if you had brothers and sisters and you 445 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: were all little kids and your parents told you that 446 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: you could not go to what's something fun? What's something 447 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 1: fun that children knew? They yeah, you cannot go sledding 448 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: at this yeah. Yeah, And so uh, you get your 449 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 1: siblings together and go, well, you know what, talking, it's 450 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: gone past talking. We're gonna take it to the next level. 451 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 1: And you go to the room next to wherever your 452 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: parents are saying. You're sit in a circle, hold hands, 453 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: you focus your che on the decision. And then later 454 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: mom and dad or whomever come out and they go, guys, 455 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: we're we're gonna go sledding Disneyland, disney World World, go 456 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: to Wally World. That's something that, as the rumors go, 457 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: the government was actually encouraging it as as a test. 458 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 1: And in that regard, this is where I got past 459 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: the point of interesting experiments with kids and got to 460 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:32,959 Speaker 1: the point of the US government starting to keep an 461 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: eye on it. But there were other things, um that 462 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: we're not quite as disturbing, you know, like the harnessing 463 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 1: of cheat energy to accelerate healing and plant growth, which 464 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: always reminds me of that r M song. Uh, there's 465 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 1: some line in rum songers like I'm keeping flowers in 466 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: full blue. Michael Stipe, all right, would know this. It's 467 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: the one from the anti Kaufman movie Man on the Moon. Yeah, 468 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: but it's not that one. It's like I'm pushing it 469 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: in a fan up the stairs. That's it. Yeah, that's it. 470 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 1: Good Savior and Encyclopedia. Yeah, it's I'm bending spoons, I'm 471 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: breaking through, I'm bending spoons. I'm keeping flowers in full bloom. 472 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: There we go, There we go. Now this is just 473 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 1: so satisfying to you know, when you have something in 474 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: the cusp of your mind like that. Yeah, so that 475 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 1: reminds me of arim. I don't want to get two sidetrack, 476 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: but people honestly have claimed that they can use the 477 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 1: same energy to read without their eyes and too, you know, 478 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: practice clairvoyance. They can also accelerate healing, and they can 479 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: make plants grow faster. Another one that was really big 480 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: was the ability to, under certain circumstances, break through physical barriers. 481 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: So this is really cool. It feels like something that 482 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 1: could be tested pretty easily, and it apparently was tested. 483 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: The CIA has documents that show how it was tested, 484 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 1: or even screenshots, well, if they're not screenshots, their photos 485 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: of their at least rough looking photos of thirty five 486 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: millimeter canisters of film. Are you guys, Is anyone out 487 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 1: there familiar with these? They're either they're usually gray or black. 488 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: Their cylinders and they've got a top that goes on them, 489 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 1: and then film would go inside these things, and depending 490 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: on what what age you grew up in, uh, what 491 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: age of technology grew up in, these were used to 492 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 1: take film and take shots and transport it or to 493 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: like high drugs. Yes, that was a huge thing, but 494 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: the big the main thing was to protect things because 495 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: they're dark and the film wouldn't get so any of 496 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: They would put random things into these thirty five millimeter 497 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 1: canisters and then put them in a box in a 498 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: room that was separated from the person they were testing, 499 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: and they would have that person use their abilities to 500 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: pull objects out or put objects into that canister that 501 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: was separated. And apparently, according to this it was shown 502 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: over and over and over and over to to work. 503 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: They did it with some glass jars. Um. I'm looking 504 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: at this thing from the CIA dot gov website. That's 505 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 1: literally where I am right now looking at this, and 506 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: there are tables here that are showing how many times 507 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: it got correct the dates of the experiment in November. Um, 508 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 1: I mean, it's crazy. It's crazy because it shows that 509 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: the it shows that the documentation was taken seriously at 510 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: high levels, you know, and the spatial barrier thing it 511 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 1: was it's very specific. Okay, so the people are the 512 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: people are moving relatively small objects like the largest stuff 513 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 1: would be maybe a film canister again that we know of. 514 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: But there's here's where we start to see a divide, 515 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: which may depend upon your personal perspective. So you could 516 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 1: argue that these experiments are set up in this way 517 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 1: because there's some kind of easy cheat that's happening, you 518 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 1: know what I mean, maybe some way for an object 519 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: to appear to be outside of the thing when it's 520 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 1: already in there, in a trick of perspective, or one 521 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 1: of the people coming in and saying this is the 522 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 1: only way I can do this, not one of the 523 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 1: persons that they're testing exactly. But then on the other side, 524 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,320 Speaker 1: you could make the argument, which is pretty valid argument, 525 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: that for something to be reproducible. For something to we 526 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 1: have to be conducted with any manner of rigor. It 527 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: does have to be specific, and everybody has to do 528 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 1: it the same way. So everything is the same except 529 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 1: for the one effect we are trying to find. So 530 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: you can see why this would already be something that 531 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 1: people go back and forth about. And here's the big, big, 532 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:12,760 Speaker 1: big question. So we did did it work? Did it actually? 533 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,880 Speaker 1: You know, is there is there this cadre of children 534 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 1: who were far far grown, right older than us now? 535 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,360 Speaker 1: Is there is cadre of I guess former child psychic 536 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 1: stars who right now are capable of doing things like this. 537 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 1: Is there someone in the next studio sitting in a 538 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 1: circle influencing our podcast? Do you want me to go check? 539 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 1: I don't know, but they're certainly not doing us any favors. Guys, kid, 540 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 1: But no, I mean the journalist wasn't persuaded, right, I mean, 541 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 1: he and his whole team noted that until the experiments 542 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,959 Speaker 1: could actually be reproduced in the West, that it would 543 00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:02,279 Speaker 1: be given a low evidential wait, which is a nice 544 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,320 Speaker 1: way of saying, I want to be polite, but you 545 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,760 Speaker 1: know there's no evidence for this. Well, it was It's 546 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: a bit of a call of of Shenanigans. Yeah yeah, 547 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: in a in a very polite way, just said I'm 548 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 1: not convinced they went heat. The author went to China 549 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 1: and saw several of these kids and said, all right, well, 550 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,719 Speaker 1: it seems like there are different opportunities where these kids 551 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 1: could cheat the system, you know what I mean. And 552 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,400 Speaker 1: then also keep in mind, these are these are kids. 553 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 1: You know, how how long are you gonna expect, uh, 554 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 1: six or seven year old to sit still and do 555 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,280 Speaker 1: the same weird thing over and over and over again 556 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 1: and remain focused. I mean, it's it's tricky, you know. Now. 557 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 1: One thing we haven't mentioned that all this is eleven 558 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:56,719 Speaker 1: from stranger Things and the experiments that she was subjected to. Uh, 559 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,879 Speaker 1: and that's what I picture. If you're dealing with a kid. 560 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,279 Speaker 1: Kids throw temper tantrums and eventually you poke them enough, 561 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 1: they're gonna throw a table at you with their mind. Yeah, 562 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:11,719 Speaker 1: who knows what happens. So I'm really interested in how 563 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 1: much how much of these these psychic powers that these 564 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 1: kids are purported to have, how how does that match 565 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 1: up with street art that that is was really big 566 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 1: at the time is still really big in places in 567 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 1: China and places in the US where you're going to 568 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 1: set um. Let's say you manipulate a newspaper that has 569 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 1: some chemicals wrapped up inside of it, and then you 570 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,279 Speaker 1: put it on the ground and you use your g 571 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 1: to set it on fire, except what you're actually doing 572 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,320 Speaker 1: or combining chemicals that are in there. I see what 573 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 1: you're saying, you know, or um some parlor trick, right, 574 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:54,239 Speaker 1: or like mediums and spiritualists in the UH eighteenth and 575 00:37:54,360 --> 00:38:00,359 Speaker 1: nineteen centuries who would generate ectoplasm. Yeah, things like that, right, Yeah, 576 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,359 Speaker 1: move a table. I mean, I'm we're not saying, we're 577 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 1: not saying all this is fake. We're saying that there 578 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,919 Speaker 1: are there are possibilities, there are ways that it could 579 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 1: be faked unless it had really really methodical testing. Yeah, 580 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,480 Speaker 1: and it would. I can imagine being a kid, especially 581 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 1: and being excited to be a part of an experiment 582 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 1: like that, even if even if I wasn't actually you know, 583 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:28,240 Speaker 1: showing off psychic powers. So the person wrote the article 584 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,480 Speaker 1: that brought this to the West wasn't persuaded, right, Members 585 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,759 Speaker 1: of the Chinese government weren't always persuaded. People went back 586 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,640 Speaker 1: and forth on whether this was nonsense or not. But 587 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:47,439 Speaker 1: let's let's dive in to what Uncle Sam thought. After 588 00:38:47,520 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 1: a word from our sponsor, the US government actually appeared 589 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 1: to think all of this psychic children business was legit um. 590 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 1: There are numerous documents under Freedom Information Act that you 591 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,920 Speaker 1: can obtain showing that Uncle Sam in fact had an 592 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,319 Speaker 1: eye on these programs and as far as they could tell, 593 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 1: the very minimum, factions of the Chinese government and numerous 594 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 1: scientists believe that this was a real and measurable phenomenon. 595 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,239 Speaker 1: So some example here, Yeah, so like even if their 596 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:34,320 Speaker 1: most skeptical, they said, well, the other guys believed this. 597 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 1: They were like, guys that Chinese government believes this, Do 598 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,920 Speaker 1: we need to get some kids? Do we need to 599 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,239 Speaker 1: grow some elevens? Just in case? And yeah, specific examples 600 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,279 Speaker 1: as as you saidnal Uh. The CIA has reports on 601 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,239 Speaker 1: a fellow named Shong Bao Shing who was born in 602 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty eight. He was one of the most famous 603 00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 1: Chigong grand masters during something called the chee Gong Fever 604 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 1: in China, and the Chigun fever was also known as 605 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 1: the Cheegung boom, was a social phenomenon in China during 606 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,480 Speaker 1: the eighties and nineties, and that's where that's where practicing 607 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,960 Speaker 1: chi gong became extraordinary popular, extraordinarily popular. Like groups and 608 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,200 Speaker 1: groups of people, a lot of people would get together 609 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:25,600 Speaker 1: and practice in you know, I guess uh, in step 610 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:31,880 Speaker 1: with one another, right, And the popularity of this reached 611 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:38,279 Speaker 1: between like almost two hundred million and founded this this 612 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:43,720 Speaker 1: other subculture. So this guy was pretty famous already. People 613 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,320 Speaker 1: thought that he could check this out, read with his nose, 614 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,959 Speaker 1: see through people's bodies, and like Matt said earlier, place 615 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,319 Speaker 1: objects in close containers without touching them. And you can 616 00:40:55,480 --> 00:41:00,160 Speaker 1: read reports where in the CIA is asking as this 617 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,000 Speaker 1: like China's psychic Warrior? Are they have they taken these 618 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 1: practices into adulthood? Is it possible that certain techniques, certain 619 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 1: chegoing techniques, could give almost anyone Andy Joe Schmo these powers? 620 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,160 Speaker 1: What are they gonna do? I mean reading with your 621 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,200 Speaker 1: eyes closed through your nose. That doesn't sound I mean 622 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,799 Speaker 1: that's not like how easy is it to peak? Right? 623 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:30,719 Speaker 1: But what strategic advantage does that offer? Right? Like, no 624 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,719 Speaker 1: one's gonna come in and say, uh, we need the 625 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,279 Speaker 1: American easy son, we need someone who can read with 626 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,520 Speaker 1: their But you know what I mean, which I know 627 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,960 Speaker 1: I keep harping on that, but the idea that you 628 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:47,560 Speaker 1: could sense information um without your eyes that way is 629 00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,799 Speaker 1: is fascinating. Uh. Clothes putting things in close containers without 630 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,680 Speaker 1: touching them. That's a little different, right, And Uh, while 631 00:41:55,760 --> 00:42:00,359 Speaker 1: they sound like small subtle things, think about it. If 632 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:05,839 Speaker 1: you wanted a spy or an assassin that used telekinesis right, 633 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:11,160 Speaker 1: no weapons, no traceable um, no traceable thing to the 634 00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,920 Speaker 1: target except like how close they had to be. You 635 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,920 Speaker 1: don't need somebody who throws a bus. You don't need 636 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,759 Speaker 1: somebody who collapses a school. You need someone who has 637 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:25,160 Speaker 1: just enough force to close a windpipe, that's it, or 638 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:29,040 Speaker 1: to stop a heartbeat, or even you know, getting a 639 00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:33,320 Speaker 1: small amount of poison into a closed container like a 640 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:39,120 Speaker 1: closed soda or a close something like that. It's in 641 00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,520 Speaker 1: there now, I didn't even think about that. That's a 642 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,640 Speaker 1: very good point. Um, it's maybe some sad pellegrino. I 643 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:52,160 Speaker 1: don't know now, that's what no calls it the pelly. Uh. Then, 644 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,239 Speaker 1: on a lighter note, for an example of someone who 645 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,000 Speaker 1: is pullying the Michael Stipe and using their powers to 646 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,360 Speaker 1: affect plants, a study published in the American Journal of 647 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,520 Speaker 1: Chinese medicine and was also seen in the U. S. 648 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:10,120 Speaker 1: National Library of Medicine. Has A examines the case of 649 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:15,160 Speaker 1: someone named Chun Lan's son, who apparently is able to 650 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:21,120 Speaker 1: accelerate the germination of seeds using your cheat soci'll take 651 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,040 Speaker 1: like a seed and then it will Something that would 652 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,440 Speaker 1: have taken you know, hours and hours just happens in 653 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:30,640 Speaker 1: like twenty minutes. That's incredible. Well, it's you know, it's 654 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:35,880 Speaker 1: incredible if we I know, the stereotype of Americans is 655 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,320 Speaker 1: we always want bigger and better stuff, right, isn't Dennis 656 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,400 Speaker 1: Leary the guy who said this is the only country 657 00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,000 Speaker 1: that would invent crack rock. You know, the people are 658 00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,000 Speaker 1: walking around going, you know, cocaine is great, but I 659 00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,600 Speaker 1: just I don't know, he's something a little more pep. 660 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:54,319 Speaker 1: So like with that, I'll be the stereotypical American here. 661 00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,960 Speaker 1: I would love to see, you know, an acorn or 662 00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,400 Speaker 1: something that turns into a tree. I'd like to season 663 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,960 Speaker 1: one touched one of those and then sprouted. True. We'll 664 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,279 Speaker 1: imagine if you could take Chinn's son and hook her 665 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,880 Speaker 1: up to some kind of vertical farming operation where she 666 00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:13,839 Speaker 1: channels her g throughout the entire system. WHOA, I think 667 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:18,880 Speaker 1: we just made a really cool, uh sci fi idea. 668 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,760 Speaker 1: I'm talking about saving humanity. Oh, I was like feeding 669 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,359 Speaker 1: everybody talk. I was talking about making a sci fi stuff. Yeah, 670 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:31,920 Speaker 1: you know, I respect you. So we have we have 671 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,640 Speaker 1: to point out though that the CIA, it's not like 672 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,799 Speaker 1: the CIA is right all the time. No one's right 673 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,160 Speaker 1: all the time. They've they've made some missteps and for 674 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:46,120 Speaker 1: many of the folks are audience who are considering selves 675 00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:50,520 Speaker 1: a little more skeptical right than you might say. Well, 676 00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:56,600 Speaker 1: the CIA also hired Uri Geller. Um. Uri Geller, famous, famous, 677 00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:03,719 Speaker 1: famous um mentalists and uh mentalist in person, alleged to 678 00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:09,759 Speaker 1: have psychic powers, clairvoyance, the ability to bend spoons. Um. 679 00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,920 Speaker 1: That's he's one of the most well known people for 680 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,040 Speaker 1: this practice. He has also for a long time a 681 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:22,520 Speaker 1: personal and bitter enemy of the arch arch skeptic James 682 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:26,719 Speaker 1: Randy So. Uri Geller actually convinced the CIA that he 683 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:31,520 Speaker 1: had extraordinary abilities and in you know, this came out 684 00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:37,240 Speaker 1: pretty recently, uh in January seen a set of declassified 685 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:42,600 Speaker 1: documents show that after a week of experiments that conducted 686 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:47,480 Speaker 1: on Geller in nine seventy three, as part of Stargate. Uh. 687 00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:52,680 Speaker 1: They thought, you know what, there's something to this guy. Uh. 688 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,359 Speaker 1: They did not ask him to stare down goats during 689 00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:59,120 Speaker 1: this period, but his handlers concluded this. I have the 690 00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,440 Speaker 1: quotation here. As a result of Deller's success in this 691 00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,640 Speaker 1: experimental period, we consider that he has demonstrated his paranormal 692 00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:13,560 Speaker 1: perceptual ability in a convincing and unambiguous manner. Of course, 693 00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:17,400 Speaker 1: now the official stance of the US government is that 694 00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:23,080 Speaker 1: that stuff did not work. So now we are in 695 00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,600 Speaker 1: the modern age. What happened to all these Chinese programs 696 00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:31,640 Speaker 1: when your research continued and may continue in several universities 697 00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,759 Speaker 1: and factions of the government have gone back and forth 698 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,280 Speaker 1: on whether or not these exercises should be considered nonsense, 699 00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,520 Speaker 1: a waste of money, or interesting research to conduct for 700 00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:47,080 Speaker 1: researcher's sake. We don't know too too much, you know. 701 00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,000 Speaker 1: It's it can be difficult to separate at times rumors. 702 00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,960 Speaker 1: So we looked at the stuff we know actually happened, 703 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,279 Speaker 1: as controversial as it was, And I gotta ask you, guys, 704 00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,200 Speaker 1: what does this sound like? Does this sound like, uh, 705 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,000 Speaker 1: a real thing, or does this sound like maybe an 706 00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,759 Speaker 1: outbreak of hysteria, a bunch of kids being excited to 707 00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,239 Speaker 1: be part of something bigger. To me, it sounds like 708 00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:13,359 Speaker 1: the mythology ancient ancient mythology in China. There were there 709 00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,520 Speaker 1: are numerous, I mean, I can't give you a ton 710 00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:19,680 Speaker 1: of examples, but there's one named person named Kang gang 711 00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,000 Speaker 1: zy gung z I don't know how to say correctly, ganji. 712 00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:27,320 Speaker 1: Maybe he was a mystic that could see, uh seeing 713 00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:31,840 Speaker 1: here without using his eyes or his ears. Um. And 714 00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,160 Speaker 1: that's just one example. There are a lot of examples 715 00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:40,560 Speaker 1: of really it's it's u parapsychological things that are occurring 716 00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:45,160 Speaker 1: throughout their history in like legend for yes, and we 717 00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:49,600 Speaker 1: have to remember the history of China dates back into legend. Yeah, 718 00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,080 Speaker 1: you know. And so I appreciate you saying that's a 719 00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,920 Speaker 1: good that's a good point. I I really like to 720 00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:03,320 Speaker 1: to think of it this way, that the idea of 721 00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,840 Speaker 1: people having psychic powers is presented in the movies, is 722 00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:11,319 Speaker 1: it has it been conclusively proven? Nope, or at least 723 00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,319 Speaker 1: not so far as we know. But does that mean 724 00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,680 Speaker 1: it's impossible? Absolutely not. You know, it would be arrogant 725 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,600 Speaker 1: to think that we know everything. Uh, there's a one 726 00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,040 Speaker 1: journalist who makes a great point where they say, you know, 727 00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:27,759 Speaker 1: we can't forget that as late as you know, the 728 00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:31,120 Speaker 1: eighteenth century, so people said there were no way meteorites 729 00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:35,120 Speaker 1: could come from space. Yeah, right, And uh, and that's 730 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,279 Speaker 1: that's just the world we live, and we were constantly 731 00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:42,800 Speaker 1: trying to at least be a little bit less in 732 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,200 Speaker 1: the dark, just a tiny bit, and we don't always 733 00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,600 Speaker 1: get it right. But what do you think, Neil, You know, 734 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,920 Speaker 1: I certainly don't believe it is beyond the realm of 735 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:58,080 Speaker 1: possibilities that there are individuals with abilities like these. Um, 736 00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:02,759 Speaker 1: as far as government sanctioned harnessing of these abilities and 737 00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:07,600 Speaker 1: sort of rounding up of specimens individuals children specifically that 738 00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,799 Speaker 1: exhibit these kinds of powers. It it really does feel 739 00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,279 Speaker 1: like something out of aut of a graphic novel to me. Um. 740 00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,240 Speaker 1: But I know that, you know, there have been cases 741 00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:22,320 Speaker 1: where law enforcement agencies have employed psychics and you know, 742 00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:27,200 Speaker 1: desperate situations to use you know, remote viewing techniques to 743 00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,719 Speaker 1: find a body or you know, find a suspect that's 744 00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,359 Speaker 1: on the run or something like that. So you know, uh, 745 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,759 Speaker 1: it's it's it's very hard to say. I am, as 746 00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,319 Speaker 1: as usual a little skeptical, but I don't think it's 747 00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:45,239 Speaker 1: beyond the realm of possibility. No, So we're all we're 748 00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:49,399 Speaker 1: all like cautiously optimistic that this could be this could 749 00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:53,080 Speaker 1: be something. There's that video. I'm trying to find the 750 00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,719 Speaker 1: video again. I was watching it yesterday. I was looking 751 00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,440 Speaker 1: at some of the stuff. It's it's a man who 752 00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:05,800 Speaker 1: was intervi you by British documentarians who allegedly could He 753 00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:10,000 Speaker 1: claimed to be able to create an electrical current in 754 00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:11,839 Speaker 1: his body and in the lower part of his body, 755 00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:17,000 Speaker 1: and these documentarians, at least to their satisfaction, he was 756 00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,400 Speaker 1: able to demonstrate it. So they tested it. They tested 757 00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,040 Speaker 1: in multiple different, multiple places. They did it while he 758 00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,360 Speaker 1: was almost completely naked. But at the same time, this 759 00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:30,080 Speaker 1: same guy showed off that he had piro he could 760 00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:33,200 Speaker 1: do pyrokinesis, and it was the same exact thing I 761 00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,239 Speaker 1: was talking about earlier, where it's mixing. I think he's 762 00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:40,279 Speaker 1: mixing chemicals. So yeah, But the fact of the matter 763 00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:45,879 Speaker 1: is there are extraordinary human abilities, right and you might 764 00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:49,520 Speaker 1: be surprised, ladies and gentlemen, what you find when you 765 00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:56,719 Speaker 1: start digging into the capabilities of certain practitioners of of 766 00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,879 Speaker 1: metadative arts. There's there's a lot more to it than 767 00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:04,200 Speaker 1: just you know, sitting and and humming. But we want 768 00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,600 Speaker 1: to hear from you. Thank you so much for listening. 769 00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:10,880 Speaker 1: Let us know what you think about, not not just 770 00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,759 Speaker 1: this Chinese program and this phenomenon, but let us know 771 00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,480 Speaker 1: what you think about, as Noll said, the interaction between 772 00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:23,480 Speaker 1: governments and civilians when they're seeking I guess like the 773 00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,200 Speaker 1: outer limits would say one step beyond. I might be 774 00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,080 Speaker 1: quoting the wrong show. It sounds good, but you know 775 00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:34,040 Speaker 1: when the government gets all thereman right? Uh? Should should 776 00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,480 Speaker 1: this research be pursued? Is it a waste of money? 777 00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:40,799 Speaker 1: Is there's something they don't want you to know? If 778 00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,279 Speaker 1: you and that's the end of this classic episode. If 779 00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:48,400 Speaker 1: you have any thoughts or questions about this episode, you 780 00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,480 Speaker 1: can get into contact with us in a number of 781 00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:52,600 Speaker 1: different ways. One of the best is to give us 782 00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,840 Speaker 1: a call. Our number is one eight three three std 783 00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,520 Speaker 1: w y t K. If you don't want to do that, 784 00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,480 Speaker 1: you can send us a good fashioned email. We are 785 00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:06,160 Speaker 1: conspiracy at I heart radio dot com. 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