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Speaker 1: Hey, what up. Welcome in. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is

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Speaker 1: All Ball. There's a lot of things normally that we

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Speaker 1: recording this and I think we're gonna try and put

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Speaker 1: this out shortly before my first home game at Green Bay.

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Speaker 1: This is after our first road game, first basketball game,

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Speaker 1: as a bit of a diary of things that have

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Speaker 1: been going on and so quickly to catch you up

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Speaker 1: to date. Okay, we we played pretty well in our

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Speaker 1: scrimmage where we scored over one hundred points and we

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Speaker 1: won won the game, you know, whether or not the

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Speaker 1: team other team was at full full strength or not.

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Speaker 1: We weren't technically a full strength, but that's okay, just

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Speaker 1: kind of learning a lot, and I felt like that

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Speaker 1: game exposed what we knew was our weakness, which was

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Speaker 1: when we play small, our defense and rebounding at the

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Speaker 1: five and really at ancillary positions. I've always balanced the

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Speaker 1: weakness on defense with the strength on offense. And the

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Speaker 1: strength on offense is Marcosol and Anthony Roy playing kind

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Speaker 1: mismatches when they're on the offensive end. Fast forward to

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Speaker 1: the Saint Norbert game. That was St. Norbert's, a really

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Speaker 1: well coached, talented Division III team which is also in

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Speaker 1: Green Bay, and we won that game handling. Now the

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Speaker 1: secrets sort of out now that people saw the Oaklham

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Speaker 1: State game. Anthony Roy, who's a transfer from Langstein's to

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Speaker 1: ANIL American. Last year, he had twelve threes in the

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Speaker 1: exhibition game. Twelve made twelve in a row forty six

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Speaker 1: points to twenty sixpence. I've seen a lot of shit.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen anything like that ever. And maybe the

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Speaker 1: last two were just heat checks that he could make anything.

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Speaker 1: But the rest was right within the flow of our offense.

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Speaker 1: And and I'll even tell you we don't run a

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Speaker 1: But I was pleased with how we played there. But

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Speaker 1: I was also I know we're just not a great

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Speaker 1: rebound within it. Fast forward to playing Oklahoma State and

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Speaker 1: Nineteen offensive boards, nineteen turnovers, which is really I thought,

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Speaker 1: But I'd credit see lots in his staff. They made

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Speaker 1: our secondary game, which is a good portion of how

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Speaker 1: I thought they made some adjustments putting three at the

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Speaker 1: a unique style. They're very, very physical, they're older, they're

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Speaker 1: And they hit some shots as well. But the big

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Speaker 1: need to burn a time out when we clearly weren't

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Speaker 1: That's how we got to thirteen. We were just trying

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Speaker 1: and we could just never get it to that place

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Speaker 1: And I played twelve guys, which is more than I'll

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Speaker 1: There's a couple that I missed that I think could

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Speaker 1: have created some advantageous situations for us. The use of timeouts,

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Speaker 1: of established to the coaches my thought process with two fouls,

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Speaker 1: I think they freaked out a little bit because a

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Speaker 1: couple of our best players got two fouls in the

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Speaker 1: first half. And I'm not somebody who gives a shit. Now,

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Speaker 1: that doesn't mean I don't care, but a smart player

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Speaker 1: my world. You just have to be thoughtful about it, understand, Okay,

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Speaker 1: all in all, I mean, I thought, my guys battle,

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Speaker 1: I thought we showed what we can do offensively when

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Speaker 1: the ball moves, how we can create advantageous situations where

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Speaker 1: we need to get better not just in rebounding, but

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Speaker 1: understanding reading not just where the dribble drive comes from,

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Speaker 1: When we played within ourselves, we're fine, We're fine. We

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Speaker 1: We've got to get tougher and better on the boards,

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Speaker 1: So you're already worn down. So you got to be

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Speaker 1: And now we play Saint Thomas tonight. Saint Thomas is

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Speaker 1: like to coach? A Galler must have felt incredible. Were

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Speaker 1: That's the great thing about all balls. I get to

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Speaker 1: give me suggestions at halftime. Suggestions were actually pretty good.

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Speaker 1: can't coaches? That's my question. So we'll see. But this

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Speaker 1: game's very different from Oklahoma State. We're not at an

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Speaker 1: learning something for the first time in my program. But

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Speaker 2: Man, you're asking some really good questions. I don't, Man,

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna let him call some fucking plays and

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Speaker 1: I don't know, dude, like I would tell you I

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Speaker 3: Anything you're gonna do is gonna be fucking hard and

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Speaker 1: low level I major games, and you're gonna be working

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00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,359
Speaker 1: with somebody else is trying to prove themselves and not

433
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:24,240
Speaker 1: all of them are very good, and you know, it's

434
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:25,680
Speaker 1: a little bit of a shitch. Like when you get

435
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:26,600
Speaker 1: to the high level.

436
00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,159
Speaker 3: Of doing game like an you NCA tournament like for

437
00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,200
Speaker 3: CBS's I did that for four years.

438
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:34,040
Speaker 1: Like, dude, those producers are fucking amazing. You're like you

439
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 1: just think of a video to bring up, like, hey,

440
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:37,840
Speaker 1: do we have that that video of Rhode Island when

441
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:39,880
Speaker 1: they beat Kansas and Oklahoma City and Termin're like, yeah,

442
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:41,040
Speaker 1: we got that there.

443
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,880
Speaker 3: It is like roll it up, Like when you're doing

444
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 3: like your first couple of years, you're like, hey, can

445
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:47,399
Speaker 3: I get a replay? Like yeah, we don't know how

446
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:51,520
Speaker 3: to do that, like what you know? So and but

447
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 3: the bigger thing is like you have to you gotta

448
00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,119
Speaker 3: let it go, and that's a hard one. So my

449
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,360
Speaker 3: first year doing game games, I had played two years overseas.

450
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 3: I played in Russia my first year, as year on

451
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 3: my second, and then it was great for me because

452
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 3: it was that time away and I just like was.

453
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 1: Way smart as the basketball player, totally understood things.

454
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 3: I'm watching college basketball, like these guys are doing the

455
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 3: most rudimentary shit, whereas I was playing at a high

456
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,720
Speaker 3: level in Russia and our offense was way better. And

457
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 3: then I went back and played at France at the

458
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 3: end of the year and it was just I was

459
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 3: so calm because like I was, I was, I was good.

460
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 1: I was.

461
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 3: But the problem is like when you go if you

462
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 3: go in broadcast games, you're gonna want to play.

463
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 2: Again, Okay, okay, Like I started when I.

464
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,880
Speaker 1: Was twenty six, Okay, I didn't achieve what you achieved,

465
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 1: you gonna want to play again now. I also went

466
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 1: through when I stopped playing.

467
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 3: I went to ESPN the next year, Like I went

468
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 3: six months and like didn't touch a basketball, Like I

469
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 3: went through and like I had that like fuck, I

470
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 3: hate you fucking basketball thing, you know, and then I

471
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 3: was kind of good, and then I you know, I

472
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 3: think the other thing is, you know, we were talking

473
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,160
Speaker 3: about the big school deal. I think if you play

474
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 3: one of those big schools, unless you get to playing

475
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,160
Speaker 3: at Red Star, you can't survive overseas because you walk

476
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,360
Speaker 3: into some of those gyms and their fifteen hundred seats

477
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 3: and you're like, what the fuck is this right? You're

478
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 3: not like motivated to go kill when you're playing in

479
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:26,239
Speaker 3: a high school gym. So yeah, I don't know if

480
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 3: I have the answer for you. I mean, like, if

481
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 3: it's the NBA, then go to the video room. And

482
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 3: the NBA is such a different animal.

483
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 1: I think you'll fucking love it. It's just all about basketball.

484
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:39,159
Speaker 3: But there's also going to be some guys that you're like, Okay,

485
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 3: you went to mit, why are you ahead of me

486
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 3: in line? Like yeah, because they've been grinding and doing

487
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 3: that shit for like eight years.

488
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 1: Right.

489
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 3: If you do go do broadcasting, it's super fun. But

490
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,439
Speaker 3: again there's some low level stuff, and broadcasting is very

491
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:58,159
Speaker 3: much a perception based business. There's no scoreboard, so you

492
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,640
Speaker 3: may go like, fuck, I'm good, I killed and your

493
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 3: boss might go.

494
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 5: Like, eh, yeah, or maybe you have a boss who's

495
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 5: like a fucking big Baron family fan and then they

496
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 5: elevate you and they're like what you said, Like, you

497
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 5: gotta find people that you gotta find people that buy

498
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 5: into you.

499
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 3: Know, you know, the AAU thing and telling pharmaceuticals is cool, and.

500
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know, take care of your kids.

501
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 1: Whatever fucking fills up your cap. And the great thing

502
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: about what you got is you got a little bankroll there.

503
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 1: So if you don't like what you're doing, do something else,

504
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 1: you know.

505
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the as and side I think of things

506
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 2: is so interesting. Man, Like I walked into the gym,

507
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 2: so I'm in the line, I'm recar, I'm rehab. I'm

508
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,679
Speaker 2: walking to the gym and there's a kid playing for

509
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 2: our youth teams, like seven one going through the legs,

510
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 2: through legs, step back three and I walked right up

511
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 2: to them from like, my man, come here, what are

512
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 2: you doing? Like what's your plan? Don't I don't have planned? Okay,

513
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 2: Like do you want to go to college? Yes?

514
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: Yes?

515
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 2: Yes? Someone coach? Okay, has anyone contacted you? No, no

516
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 2: one's contacting me. Okay, all right, Like, well, like let's

517
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 2: do this. So like I actually spoke to some people.

518
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 2: I got him a solid deal. I think I got

519
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 2: him a scholarship and Brewster. I'm like, you know, this

520
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 2: is what you should do. I think you should go

521
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 2: to Brewster Academy. Go there for a year. The guy

522
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 2: Jason Smith's gonna take care of you, and then you're

523
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 2: gonna go find a deal in college. You're seven two

524
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 2: like step back threes. I'm like, this is what you

525
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 2: gotta do. You're gonna go par five and nowadays you're

526
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 2: gonna make lots of money. So I hear back. The

527
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 2: kids actually got like seven figure offers stuff now, so

528
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, there you go. There that was just.

529
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: H what's the kids name?

530
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 2: Luigi Swego.

531
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Speaker 1: There was a kid who was like Italian, who is

532
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,959
Speaker 1: like seven feet like point guard. I don't know if

533
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: that was him.

534
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 2: I don't know, he's not really.

535
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,640
Speaker 1: And this this guy was like it was really a point,

536
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: but he brought it up and I was like, what

537
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: the fuck am I watching? And it was out of

538
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: our it was out of our price point. But I

539
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 1: was like, are you guys watching this? Like like that's's

540
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 1: kind of fun. I'm not gonna lie to you, right.

541
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,120
Speaker 2: That's what I want to, Like, I want to take

542
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 2: those kids and advise them and be like, listen, I've

543
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 2: been through it. Hell, I'll even train you, like I

544
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 2: will break down film with you. You guys need assistance,

545
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 2: Like I had an older brother who like showed me

546
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 2: the way. I can like be an advisor for you.

547
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,199
Speaker 2: I will show you the way. Because these guys they

548
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,239
Speaker 2: don't really know what's going on, Like they like no

549
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 2: offense to Green Bay. They would think I could tell

550
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 2: them Green Bays of blue Blood and they're like, oh,

551
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 2: oh okay, okay, Like they might think it's up there

552
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 2: with Kentucky, you do, like they.

553
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: The Kentucky did. They don't have like division.

554
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 2: A man like they and I. I just there's a

555
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 2: need there for for a guy who can bridge that gap,

556
00:26:58,600 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 2: you know, and.

557
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Speaker 1: I think, I think, I love that. I have a

558
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: couple other friends and we'll like not in the recording thing,

559
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: I'll tell you kind of who they are or whatever

560
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: that are doing that exact same thing that they and like, look,

561
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: that's how honestly like my dad, that's what he would

562
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: be doing if he was alive, because what he used

563
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 1: to do was he started this. He used to place

564
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: all the guys on the day you team in college, right,

565
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 1: And that's like what he that was this thing like

566
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 1: I want all my guys to play in college.

567
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 3: And then he started like helping some other kids out.

568
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 3: And then somebody's like, hey, you know, you can make

569
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 3: some money doing this, like really, And so he would

570
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 3: put together people's tapes and then he would call the

571
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 3: people he thought the level. He would give him an

572
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 3: EVL of you can play this level, and eventually he

573
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 3: turned it into like a business. Well now that would

574
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 3: be fucking nil, right, he'd just be evaluating whatever. So yeah,

575
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 3: and and the other thing is and like, look, the

576
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 3: guys that I've dealt with are good dudes.

577
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: They're like, hey, man, like I'm not going to gouge

578
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 1: this kid. Just here's about three. But there's a lot

579
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: of bad actors out there there, and you know, like

580
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: all this other stuff you still have to do with

581
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: parents because there's still kids and there's still gonna be

582
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 1: other people with their hands handouts. But I think the

583
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: foreign players mets. Honestly, the best thing.

584
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 3: That comes from this nil thing is that we've reinvigorated

585
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 3: the foreign market.

586
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 1: Because there were so many rules that are so restrictive.

587
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: You know, I have one from Israel, one from Senegal,

588
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 1: one from Australia, and I'm gonna take I'm gonna take

589
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: at least one from likely from New Zealand upcoming, maybe two.

590
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: And then I turned out a Polish kid who I loved.

591
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: Was like the hardest part of this job was like

592
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: I had two point guards. One was like a six

593
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: six Polish kid and one was a six to Australian kid.

594
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: I took the Australian kid like I hung up with

595
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: the Polish kid, and I was like, oh my god,

596
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: that just like hurt my heart because I love both

597
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: these kids, but I can only take one. You know,

598
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: that's just fun, Like I wouldn't hate it.

599
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 3: And then you could travel still, you go travel overseas

600
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 3: and take your wife.

601
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, not bad still be.

602
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: Around it and know. Yeah, by the way, if you decided, hey,

603
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: I want to coach, you'll have all the connections with

604
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: coaching right now.

605
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 3: If you want to go to the front office in Europe,

606
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 3: you'll have all the connections there.

607
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 2: Like rap Polinka, Bob Myers, they all were agents and

608
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 2: they all I think I know Rapinka.

609
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: Was and yeah, so what's his name? Run? The next

610
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: was an agent, huge agent, right.

611
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 2: What's his name?

612
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: What is this? Le Rose?

613
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 2: Len Rose? Yes, yes, y, And.

614
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: I was getting all his clients back.

615
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 2: So you know, how has the n I l Like,

616
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 2: my dad coached mid major basketball and I love mid

617
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 2: major basketball. Well, how has it really impacted you? Some?

618
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: I mean some like like there's there's just kids that

619
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: like we can't get Yeah, you know, like if you

620
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: sit there and go like, hey the price is one

621
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty, like good luck, you know, but like

622
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: we have some And my thing is, I think at

623
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: this level, your best chance of winning is to have

624
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: a high retention rate. All right, bring back as many

625
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: dudes as you can that you want back.

626
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 3: So with our nil like, that's our main focus is Okay,

627
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 3: we got to raise a bunch of money and find

628
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 3: the kids that we think are the best fit and

629
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 3: get those guys and then you know, maybe one in

630
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 3: the portal. I love junior college kids because they here's

631
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 3: the thing with junior college kids. You get the age

632
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 3: of some of the portal kids. But the portal kids again, remember,

633
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 3: if you're coming to my level, unless you're going from

634
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 3: D two or Naia and I have one Ania kid

635
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 3: who's awesome, But unless you're coming from you're stepping down level.

636
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 3: So a lot of times they're arrogant because they think

637
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 3: they're better than the level, and they're kind of broken

638
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 3: because the higher level they didn't play that much. That's

639
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 3: why they're at your level, you know.

640
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: So I tell the younger guys that we recruit, like, look, dude,

641
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: here's the deal. You could go to pick your big

642
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: school and then you don't play, and then you're in

643
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: the portal and then you come back to me, which

644
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: are not as valuable to me because you don't have

645
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: any confidence even though you've been in a college basketball program.

646
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: You're why don't you come to me? Play for me

647
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: right away? And then two years in if you say, hey, coach,

648
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: I want to go make like serious money, I'll pick

649
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: up the phone and call myself.

650
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 3: It's hard to keep kids for four years. You are

651
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 3: going to get priced out, and there's insanity.

652
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: I got the job.

653
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 3: I got the latest job in the country. So there's

654
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 3: a ton of kids available, a ton ton. So part

655
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 3: of me is like, dude, maybe we shouldn't do anything

656
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 3: TI late, because there's always going to be guys that

657
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 3: thought they were going to get paid and they didn't.

658
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: You know, they have no sense of how it really works.

659
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: But yeah, there's some money, and like, if you find

660
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: the right kid who's about the right things, you give

661
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: them a little money and you feel fucking really good

662
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: about it. You like call a kid and like, I

663
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: have a couple of guys that we called them in

664
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: and they never asked us for a penny. I'm like, hey,

665
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: we're going to give you this because we think and

666
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: then we're trying to do things a little differently here.

667
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: I don't know how much I should share, but I

668
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: got all my guys new mattresses. I did a deal

669
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: with with a with a mattress company that I haven't sponsored.

670
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: I did. We have a a lot.

671
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 3: Meats is the biggest meat distributor in Wisconsin and the

672
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 3: northern Midwest.

673
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: They have all this grass fed beef from Colorado. Hey go.

674
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: So they're a big donor of minds. So I at

675
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: wholesale price, I raised money while like five grand of meat.

676
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: All their freezers are filled with chicken and the best beef.

677
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: So my thing is like, look, I can't take care

678
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: of you and give you one hundred or two hundred grand,

679
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: but you're gonna have fucking fun playing for me. You

680
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: know you're gonna get better because I got a great

681
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: developmental staff.

682
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 3: We're gonna do the absolute best to make you feel

683
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 3: like you're special. You know, and feel like you're special.

684
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: Is like we got our guys in the best departments

685
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: in town, and we got our guys. Their fridges are full. Hey,

686
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: we got awesome coaches, like all of them like played,

687
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: and we want to be kind of a tenant to them.

688
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: You know. I have one that had like I just said, hey,

689
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: what do you need And he's like, coach, my teeth

690
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: haven't been fixed, Like I got dental problems. He had

691
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: like two root canals, got new contacts. So thankful, you know.

692
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: So I do think there's a way in which and

693
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: again I may get bit. I may have fifteen in

694
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: the portal. I may be a complete idiot, don't know,

695
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: but at least we're trying to do a little different.

696
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: While we're trying to build support for the community, for

697
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: the team, try and get them, you know, as many

698
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: little things as we can that make sense, because we're

699
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: not going to be able to just shell out cash

700
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: and then make it so that, you know, they have

701
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: a little bit of cash in their pockets, so that

702
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: they don't feel like nobody gives a shit about.

703
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 3: Them, right and within reason, they are like, we've been

704
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 3: We've done pretty good.

705
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: And then you know, pick the kids you want, and

706
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,399
Speaker 1: those are the kids you go after, and those, by

707
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 1: the way, are the ones that donors have. A lot.

708
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: Where you lose donors is where you.

709
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 3: Go after a kid and you're like, hey, I need

710
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 3: like five rand a month of this kid, and like

711
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 3: how good he's like, why, he's really good. Then you

712
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 3: get him and the kid's a turd or it's not

713
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,919
Speaker 3: that good and he's not playing, and you're like.

714
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: What the fuck am I giving this money for this kid?

715
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: Whereas if you have him for a year and they

716
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 1: see him, they're like, I'll do anything if you can

717
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 1: keep that kid like, Okay, here's how much it costs, right,

718
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: and then you have to be willing at some point

719
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: to go like like, the best player here last year

720
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: was a kid named Noah Reynolds. Noah came, his brother

721
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: was an assistant. He came with Sun Dance Wicks from Wyoming,

722
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: the player of the year in the league. And now

723
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,959
Speaker 1: he's a TCU and you know it's a six figure deal.

724
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 3: I don't know how, Like there's all kinds of rumors

725
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 3: if it starts with the three or four or five,

726
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 3: I don't know, God bless them.

727
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: And then you just got a champion that is like

728
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: that's the success story. Like his first job was for

729
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: say three hundred grand. Good for him.

730
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 3: It sucks because you want to recruit a kid and

731
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 3: you want to keep him forever, but you have to

732
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 3: be realistic about it.

733
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: So and then every kid you recruit differently, Like my

734
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: Australian kid, I was like, look, dude, I'm gonnaf your scholarship,

735
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: but you're staying the whole time with me. Okay, couch

736
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: whatever you need, couch, no problem, you know. So some

737
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: of these kids you gotta recruit and going like look, dude,

738
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: I know you got to get paid. I know your

739
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: family doesn't that much like Tom Hoop, and then we'll

740
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,720
Speaker 1: call around. We'll see where he gets you some money.

741
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 2: So right, right right, pull up my phone. I'm gonna

742
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 2: pull up my iPads because my phone, I guess.

743
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, give me one second too, I want to I'm

744
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: actually flipping.

745
00:35:42,520 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 6: Something recording in the progress.

746
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: What's up? Wait?

747
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 2: Hold mad, I got I gotta switch this.

748
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: Em on a second?

749
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 4: Is what?

750
00:36:53,239 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: H full time out? Are you ready? All right? I

751
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: got a couple questions for you.

752
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 3: The the coolest place you can remember eating overseas.

753
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 2: Probably eating when my wife were like staring right, We're

754
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 2: like sitting like this balcony, staring right at the Acropolis

755
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 2: and assens like it's one of those not only like

756
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 2: was it view good? It was like the food was

757
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 2: like elite. So it was like a mixture of both,

758
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 2: Like I've had good views, but it's like a mixture.

759
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 2: Like you know when you go to some places, like

760
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 2: if you go to Rome and you go to some

761
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 2: of these places where you can sit there and eat,

762
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 2: it's like very touristy. I hate the touristy spots. Totally,

763
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 2: absolutely hate the touristy spots, so I'd say probably that one.

764
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: Okay, where is home?

765
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 2: Rhode Island's home still, yeah, yeah, we're building the house

766
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,479
Speaker 2: in Florida right now though, so that might be come home.

767
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 2: We'll see, We'll see.

768
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: Me hire from Rhode Island.

769
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 2: I fucking I can't take the cold, like, oh here,

770
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 2: but I'm here in Buffalo now is at forty degrees today.

771
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 2: I'm like, there's just no way I could not do this.

772
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: There's no way, yeah, no way, Yeah, I hear you.

773
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: I'm just just it all has just hit northern Wisconsin,

774
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 1: released in Wisconsin, and yeah, I was like, I'm okay

775
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: with cold or whatever. And so I live on Green Bay.

776
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,760
Speaker 3: So the backside of my house unbelievab layout, unbelievable sunset.

777
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 3: But the wind is easily like fifteen knots more in

778
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,479
Speaker 3: the back of my house in the front of my house,

779
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh shit.

780
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 2: And when that hits, it's right through the jacket.

781
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: Right, it doesn't matter what you got on. And I'm like, I'

782
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: mean in southern California. So I'm already a pussy. You know.

783
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: It's just the worst. If you could live anywhere that

784
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: you played, where would.

785
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 2: It be it's a toss up between Milan and Belgrade. Belgrade.

786
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 2: I think for the people, great city, like a small

787
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 2: it's kind of like a college town. Like it's like

788
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 2: you're Charlottesville, It's like you're Durham. It's because everything is

789
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 2: revolved around the team. Like there's two teams there and

790
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 2: everything revolves around them. Like when those teams are playing,

791
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 2: like the city stops. So like the vibe there was

792
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,760
Speaker 2: great Milans. You know, fashion, you got soccer, basketball, culture

793
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 2: is great rising like I probably say Belgrade. Plus your

794
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 2: dollar was a lot further there than it does anywhere else.

795
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,280
Speaker 3: So you get home every year, like what is your

796
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 3: thing that like signific I'm at home that I did,

797
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 3: Like as soon as I get home, I do this,

798
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 3: like a.

799
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 2: Fat rebbi steak, just a huge bone in rebbi steak.

800
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 1: That the cowboy cut tomahawk. Yeah yeah, no, the tomak,

801
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: the big long one. Yeah yeah, that cowboy is just

802
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: the bone in rebbi.

803
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 2: Yeah that that that's gotta be it.

804
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: That's got to be because the beef is not nearly

805
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: as good anywhere else. No, Argentina maybe, but like this

806
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: is the yeah yeah, uh that teammate you ever had overseas.

807
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 2: Jeez, it's like I don't want to say one, because

808
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 2: there's been some good ones who have helped me out

809
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 2: through some ship like James Gist. I always think like

810
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 2: James Gist, like talk about soldier, like brought the energy

811
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 2: every single day. And it's like as a shooter, like

812
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 2: when I went to a swamp, when I hit like

813
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 2: one shot, He's just like Billy barn in the house.

814
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 2: He would just hype me up so much. And dude,

815
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 2: that's just that's all I need, you know what I mean,

816
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 2: Like he just always put me on. He's one of

817
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 2: them for sure. Oh that's a great.

818
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 1: Question, all right, worst teammate you ever had.

819
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 2: I can't say his name is due to my Spanish team.

820
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Yeah, I'll just say him that.

821
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: What he did I got. I'll stare here. Okay.

822
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 3: There's a guy named Guy Contour when I played in Israel,

823
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 3: I was playing in Israeli, but I was the bosman

824
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 3: or whatever, and they had like an unwritten rule like

825
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 3: always trying to have an Israeli on the floor, you know,

826
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 3: And he was.

827
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,760
Speaker 1: The best one. Right. We had to get named Guy Panini,

828
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 1: who I think he just finished playing Okay, my guy

829
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: was like eighteen of the time, so he was a

830
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: dip shit. You know.

831
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 3: We had some good Israelis, but they were young. So

832
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 3: guy Guy Contour was like my age, maybe a little

833
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 3: bit older, combo guard and like I'd be hooping in

834
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 3: the first half and I come in and they'd be

835
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 3: arguing all of a sudden, like they'd be arguing in

836
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:17,720
Speaker 3: Hebrew and I don't speak Hebrew.

837
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 1: And we'd come out of the second half and I

838
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: would not play nearly as much. What the fuck? And

839
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: like the other Americans, like Corey Carr was like, dude,

840
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: come on, you know they're fucking talking about you. And

841
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: I know if he was just trying to piss me

842
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: off or whatever, just get me, get me into it.

843
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: But like Guy would do shitty stuff, like I would

844
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: do something and he would he would like he would,

845
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: I would. He knew that I was a passer, right, so.

846
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 3: I drive and I'd kick out to him and he

847
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 3: like hold the ball a second and then make an

848
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 3: extra pass him.

849
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 1: Then I didn't have to kill my assist. Just little

850
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: fucking things that that drove me crazy. I would say

851
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: Guy Contours easily easily on that. On that left like.

852
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 2: I had a big that like every out that I

853
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 2: totally he Throughtaly Shugar get the ball and like that's

854
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 2: my pet peeve. It's like dude, like like every guy

855
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 2: and I'm not the guy that's like jacket every single shot.

856
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 2: Like I actually think privately, I think I actually can

857
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 2: come off a screen and like make the right pocket

858
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 2: pass at the very last second. I actually think like

859
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 2: I can do that very well. So like I'm not

860
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 2: the guy. It's just like that's a black hole. He's

861
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 2: just come off that screen to shoot it off the floppy. No,

862
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 2: I'll curl it and I'll hit the guy the big

863
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 2: for a dunk. I'll do that all day long. So

864
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 2: when when I got that, I'm like come on, man,

865
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 2: like come on stop, so.

866
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: Say Spanish, Spanish guy, huh Brazilian Brazilian guy. Yeah, my

867
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: only my only, My only memory Brazil was I just

868
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 1: first started doing NBA Draft ESPN and Leandro Barbosa is

869
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: coming out and I got a tape from his agent

870
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 1: of like a Brazilian league game and I watched it

871
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: and they were like what do you think. I was like,

872
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 1: I don't even know what I just saw, Like nobody

873
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: played in a Yes, they were all super and it

874
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: was just it was greeny like an FT and it

875
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: was the shots collection was crazy, like everything about it

876
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: was not.

877
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was a fight in the game.

878
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 3: There was stuff that are on the court, like a

879
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 3: little bit of everything.

880
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, outstarted outside of Red Star, outside of the

881
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: Madison Square Garden of Europe. Coolest place you played in

882
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: the rug is nice? Did they did they open the news?

883
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 2: We did it. They read all the seats. They put

884
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 2: together like a new like L E. B floor whatever

885
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 2: it's called. There, everyone's doing that. Now, that's nice. When

886
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 2: it's rocking and they're winning, the supporters are crazy. Probably

887
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 2: them are like the other team in Serbia when you

888
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 2: play them, even though it's in the same gym, it's insane,

889
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 2: Like it's absolutely insane.

890
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: But you guys played the same game.

891
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 2: So partisan and Red Stars share the same gym.

892
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,240
Speaker 1: Okay, I've been to the I've been by.

893
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 2: It, so so now like when I was there, they're

894
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,959
Speaker 2: playing in that gym. That's see it. Like let's say,

895
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 2: like I see like eight to ten thousand, which was

896
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 2: perfect right on top of you, like you couldn't mean

897
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 2: you could be right here and you couldn't hear me,

898
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 2: you know. But now they play at this gym on

899
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 2: the other side of town, like twenty two thousand. Yeah,

900
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 2: but when you have like thirteen thousand in there, it's

901
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 2: not it's not a whole court advantage. But when that

902
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 2: place is going like no, like this is this is

903
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 2: you haven't seen this, Like you know what I mean,

904
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 2: Like in America. I'm talking to an American who hasn't

905
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 2: been over there. You haven't seen this doesn't exist in America.

906
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: So coaching your kids having played in Europe, what will

907
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: you develop differently than you developed playing the United States.

908
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,879
Speaker 2: I haven't played more one on one growing up, I said,

909
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 2: I have him try and figure out different ways to score,

910
00:45:55,400 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 2: use their bodies, stuff like that. I haven't in better

911
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 2: shape than me, Like I didn't I didn't make the

912
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 2: I'm so critical myself. I didn't make the NBA because

913
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 2: I couldn't move my feet fast enough, and I didn't

914
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 2: I wasn't in the best condition. Like if I can

915
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 2: go back, I would have trained so hard and just

916
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 2: been in the best shape because I wasn't there to

917
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 2: prove I can make shots. I was there to prove

918
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,919
Speaker 2: that I'm gonna guard ninety four fifty and I'm gonna

919
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 2: do it every single time. I'm gonna advance the ball

920
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 2: as fast as I can. I'm gonna get everyone in

921
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,720
Speaker 2: their spots, and I'm just gonna be like a pest.

922
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 2: That's all I'm gonna be. And so I'll teach me

923
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 2: how to do that. And I'm definitely teaching pick and

924
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 2: roll stuff. Like I know, pick and roll here is

925
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 2: a bit different than Europe, but I love the teaching

926
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 2: the pick and roll. The reads, you know, look for

927
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 2: the which guy is gonna bump, who's gonna be open?

928
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:53,399
Speaker 2: Like that stuff that I learned later from a couple

929
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 2: of coaches I had in Europe. You know, little details

930
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 2: of the pick and roll that I was like, man,

931
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 2: this is awesome, Like I just love How can.

932
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: You imagine how easy college basketballall be right now for you?

933
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 2: It's just it would be crazy. But I would need

934
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 2: to like I would need to grab my big like, hey,

935
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 2: you're not gonna slip, You're gonna set this screen. You're

936
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 2: gonna crack them. Problem is, I don't know if they

937
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 2: would let him crack them, but you're gonna sit there

938
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 2: and you're gonna hit him all right. If he hard hedges,

939
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 2: you open up and you just look right over your head,

940
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 2: it's gonna come right here. And then you look opposite.

941
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 2: You look to the corners, or you look to the

942
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 2: big duck in it one or the other. All right,

943
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 2: if they you gotta said it. If they're going flat

944
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 2: roll for me, just wait a little bit, stay in

945
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 2: that pocket, right. Like little things like that, I would

946
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 2: need to teach them, but it would be so easy

947
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 2: because the weak side defense is just there's no bump,

948
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 2: there's no nothing. But it's also like, okay, I want

949
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 2: to talk to you about this because you brought it

950
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 2: up earlier. You brought up the twenty four second clock.

951
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 2: It makes the game way more enjoyable. It also puts

952
00:47:55,800 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 2: pressure pure It puts when I was playing the couch,

953
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 2: it's still thirty five seconds, it's thirty now. It puts

954
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 2: pressure on the coaches to be like, hey, listen, I

955
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 2: got a call set. That's gonna work because right now,

956
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 2: if you call set, you got twelve seconds to figure

957
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 2: fifteen seconds. I'll call another set, or I'll play it

958
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 2: like in Europe, every little thing matters because that twenty

959
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 2: four seconds goes quick, right And then I like, at

960
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 2: least on the offensive rebound, they don't set the shot

961
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 2: clock back all the way fourteen. But that's a good

962
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 2: that's that's great.

963
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: You know.

964
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 2: It's like there's a rhyme or reasons every single thing

965
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 2: you're doing on the court. And I think that's what

966
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 2: we miss as Americans growing up, is to understand team

967
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 2: basketball on how I like play pick and rolls. Everything's

968
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 2: very one on one, and that's the NBA. It's it's

969
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 2: one on one, you know. But that's where you see

970
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,919
Speaker 2: how we struggled in the Olympics, how we almost lost

971
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 2: in the Olympics. I mean, those are my teammates on

972
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 2: Serbia who were up by eighteen in the third quarter

973
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 2: of Like, you know, so.

974
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: Okay, honest question. You're watching the game, who are you

975
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: rooting for?

976
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 2: I just wanted I wanted obviously I want USA to win.

977
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 2: But I'm glad that other countries were heard because I

978
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 2: feel like for some Europeans, it's like when people were

979
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 2: asking me, like, hey, did you know one in the

980
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 2: Serbian team, I'm like, yeah, like those guys, A lot

981
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 2: of those guys my teammates, Like those are the guys

982
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 2: I play against. It's nice that. I feel like they

983
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 2: garnered a good amount of respect from that, you know,

984
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 2: and it's nice to mind though, mm hmmm, mm hmmm.

985
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 2: They're like they were hitting shots like Serbius hitting shots.

986
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 2: It was nice though to see, like, all right, who

987
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 2: who's America gonna go to? And it's like really digging

988
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 2: down deep and like there couldn't have been more pressure

989
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 2: on those guys in that moment, like the Steph Curry Lebron,

990
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 2: like that had to be the ultimate pressure for them.

991
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: Bro. Steph Curry hits four threes in a row and

992
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: the last one was a fucking joke, true, And the

993
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 1: thing about it was he wasn't playing well. No, it

994
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: wasn't playing well. And like you hit on two things

995
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: which are the secrets of Steph Curry. Okay, One, he's

996
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: in better shape than anybody.

997
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 3: He fucking never gets tired, right, which is Lebron's kind

998
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 3: of similar, just obviously different body type. And then two

999
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 3: he has that irrational self confidence where like, who thinks

1000
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 3: I'm gonna just take some fucking fade away throw up

1001
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 3: three over Victor webbin Yama to win the Olympics, Curry.

1002
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 2: And then he does like he's unbelievable in the fact

1003
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 2: that Kevin Durant got the ball, it just went right

1004
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 2: back too. It's just Kevin Durant top five score ever

1005
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 2: and he goes, I got the ball. Here you go

1006
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 2: take him right back through the hot hand. That's insane.

1007
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 2: Steven looks Lebron's wife. They even look even.

1008
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 3: Looked at Lebron like Kevin rrobably thought about it like nah,

1009
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 3: and I don't back to it.

1010
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 2: Did Steph get doubled from from Katy's man? Was that

1011
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 2: Kat's man who helped and helped because there's two guys

1012
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 2: that can test this, Yeah.

1013
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then they rotated and they rotated to kat and.

1014
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 2: Then he who came over to contestant. Yeah, which is wild,

1015
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 2: wild wild, But it was I mean, it was nice

1016
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 2: to see those guys, Like I get where they come

1017
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 2: from now, Like I I like, it's not glamorous over there.

1018
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 2: They don't have the facilities, all the facilities that we

1019
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 2: have they don't have, Like it was nice to see

1020
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 2: them on that stage doing what they're doing because like

1021
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 2: that country, like that's literally like they got bit so

1022
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, Like I cannot imagine if they won

1023
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 2: the gold medal like they came back with whatever the bronze.

1024
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 2: It was like they got celebrated like they won the gold,

1025
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 2: but hundreds of thousands of people parade, Like I just

1026
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 2: know that country was going absolutely bananas.

1027
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: Hey, even more than Jennifer your time. Take care of

1028
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: those kiddos. I can't wait to see a coaching au

1029
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: and like, listen, dude, you want to come stay for

1030
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: a week and just get your basketball fixed, You're welcome.

1031
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: And if you do the agent thing, I expect a

1032
00:51:55,600 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: player down right, because I'm gonna low mid major. But

1033
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:06,919
Speaker 1: in the meantime, like uh believe or not, I kind

1034
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: of idolize you and your brother being able to play

1035
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: for your dad and you guys still have it having

1036
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 1: a great relationship through it all, and then obviously what

1037
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: you're able to accomplish overseas is fucking big time. And

1038
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: unlike people at that at the bar in Buffalo who

1039
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 1: go like, oh, did you play in the NBA? Like

1040
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: you and I know, like what you did was way

1041
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,359
Speaker 1: harder than getting a ten day in the league. Way hard,

1042
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:33,399
Speaker 1: thanks very hard.

1043
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 2: Appreciate that.

1044
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: Uh sorry, it had to end at thirty three. It

1045
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: ends for everybody at some point in time. But you

1046
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 1: made some money. You kicked some ass, he made some cash,

1047
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: and now whatever you need, if you can, if I

1048
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: can ever help you, you just ask and I will

1049
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: fucking pick up the phone and call.

1050
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 2: Appreciate it, man, Thanks a lot, seriously.

1051
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: Have a great night. I truly appreciate it.

1052
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 2: Thanks man, Thanks man too.

1053
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: All Right, my thanks to Billy Baron all three parts

1054
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 1: to our fantastic You can go back and let's listen

1055
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,760
Speaker 1: to them in their queue. Be rooting for the Phoenix tonight.

1056
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 1: If you listen to this, and we'll be back with

1057
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: you tomorrow for another pod telling you how it all went,

1058
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: the mistakes that I made, the things that we got

1059
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 1: to clean up, and hopefully we're discussing our first win

1060
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: of the season in the meantime. Thanks for listening. I'm

1061
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:23,359
Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb. This is all ball