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Speaker 1: Hey there everybody, it is Monday, December twenty second, and

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Speaker 1: h there are so many questions following that.

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Speaker 2: Well, it was.

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Speaker 1: Supposed to be a Department of Justice dump on all

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Speaker 1: of the Epstein files, But now the questions are, what

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Speaker 1: is actually in the files? Why have some disappeared over

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Speaker 1: the weekend, and then some of them reappeared, and where

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Speaker 1: the hell are the rest of them? There are a

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Speaker 1: lot of questions not just from lawmakers, from victims, but

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Speaker 1: to be the moment where we found out everything. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: turns out that just wasn't the case. Were you surprised

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Speaker 1: that the Department of Justice didn't release all the Epstein

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Speaker 3: Surprise? They admitted it. I'm surprised. I didn't think it

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Speaker 3: was the end. No matter what, they're going to still

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Speaker 3: are going to say that I expected that stuff, but

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Speaker 3: they fled out said yeah, we're not ready. We'll get

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Speaker 3: it to you when we damn well please. That surprised me.

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Speaker 2: That is surprising.

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Speaker 1: And then the headlines also that at least sixteen files

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Speaker 1: that appeared on Friday night suddenly were gone on Saturday.

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Speaker 2: If the whole point.

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Speaker 1: Of this was transparency, I feel like the Department of

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Speaker 1: Justice accomplished the exact opposite.

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Speaker 3: There won't be any transparency, I believe until someone that

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Speaker 3: And that might be years and years down the road.

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Speaker 3: But as long as this administration is there, no one's

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Speaker 3: ever going to believe that this Department of Justice is

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Speaker 3: going to put everything out to either because it's everybody,

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Speaker 3: because they believe is either going to hurt Trump or

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Speaker 3: hurt his allies. Nobody will ever be convinced. So here

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Speaker 3: we go, Here we go.

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Speaker 1: But I feel like this made it worse. I don't

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Speaker 1: think it made it better. I feel like it made

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Speaker 1: it worse. What stood out to you? We saw the

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Speaker 1: headlines over the weekend and look a lot of pictures

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Speaker 1: of former President Bill Clinton came out that were embarrassing maybe,

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Speaker 1: but they weren't criminal. They didn't point to any illegal

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Speaker 2: Been saying all along.

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Speaker 1: However, probably didn't feel great to see those photos released,

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Speaker 1: and it seems like there were a lot of photos

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Speaker 3: Shocker, And that was one of the biggest issues with

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Speaker 3: explanation for why that took place. So that makes you think, well,

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Speaker 3: what else have they done like that? There is nobody

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Speaker 3: who trusts this process. So this was a long exercise

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Speaker 3: in what because until robes something is released that shows

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Speaker 3: in some people's minds that Trump is a criminal, nobody's

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Speaker 3: ever going to be happy. Yeah, so just just deal

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Speaker 1: So that image you were talking about, there was particularly

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Speaker 1: an image of Jeffrey Epstein's desk or credenza, whatever you

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Speaker 1: So that photo just poof went away. On Saturday it

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Speaker 2: We need transparency for the American people.

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Speaker 1: So then the Department of Justice put that picture back up.

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Speaker 1: I just think it's one of those things where it's

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Speaker 3: Oh, okay, do you buy that? I think that could

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Speaker 2: It could be legitimate.

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Speaker 1: The comments below the official Department of Justice response were

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Speaker 3: Have legitimate reasons not to buy it.

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Speaker 2: Correct.

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Speaker 2: Another example of what.

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Speaker 1: Took away from this idea of transparency, the DOJ released

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Speaker 1: and that document was actually interesting. This was about an

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Speaker 1: women that went back to the nineteen nineties. So it

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Speaker 1: was showing that FBI agents and the Department of Justice

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Speaker 1: were aware of criminal activities by Jeffrey Epstein as reported

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Speaker 1: to them by girls as young as fourteen. And so

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Speaker 1: this was actually new information and new interviews, and the

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Speaker 1: fact that the first iteration of it was completely blacked

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Speaker 3: I mean, just I don't know, I don't know what

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Speaker 3: to do with these files. I mean, what's the next step?

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Speaker 3: Are are are these members of Congress going to say,

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Speaker 3: now every single thing that's been redacted needs to be

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Speaker 2: There are some members who do say that.

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Speaker 3: Yes, okay, and then once that's done and it's still

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Speaker 3: not what you want what's going to be the next

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Speaker 3: blood in the water between Trump and Epstein. I just, Robes,

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Speaker 3: this is just it's exhausting, and we're getting nowhere and

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Speaker 3: we're revictimizing these victims. We're just doing this all over again.

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Speaker 3: Wait for it's like slap in the face and insult

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Speaker 3: to the victims. And that's all. What are we I

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Speaker 3: don't know, Robes, what you tell me? What's going to

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Speaker 3: satisfy the public? They go, Okay, it's all out and

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Speaker 1: And when you say it's all out, I don't know

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Speaker 1: how true this is, but this is crazy. So Todd

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Speaker 1: Blanche who's been a big part of this, he said

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Speaker 1: that federal prosecute have more than three point six million

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Speaker 1: records from sex trafficking investigations involving Gallaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 1: Three point six million records. Yeah, and okay, well that's

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Speaker 2: How do you release right? They say that.

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Speaker 1: He said that several hundred thousand more files will become

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Speaker 3: Oh he hundreds of lawyers is how he put it. Yes, go,

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Speaker 3: I cannot imagine this process. What do you do? You

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Speaker 3: can't just throw everything out there? But also, did they

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Speaker 3: have enough time? Was thirty days reasonable? Is that being

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Speaker 3: talked about enough? Is it actually possible to do? And

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Speaker 3: others will argue they should have been They've been working

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Speaker 3: on this stuff for years, they shouldn't have taken it.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, ROMs what this everybody had this date circled,

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Speaker 3: this is the day it's all coming, and right now

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Speaker 3: they haven't gotten anything.

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Speaker 1: It makes a mockery of not just the back and

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Speaker 1: forth that went into passing this act, what Trump did

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Speaker 1: pass it and then sign it, and then all that's done, right,

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Speaker 1: all that's being publicized. Trump ran on this transparency of

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Speaker 1: the Epstein investigation, and now the deadline comes and we

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Speaker 1: then they take it away. All that does is further

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Speaker 1: So it did the opposite of what the intention.

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Speaker 3: Was Epstein Transparency Act redacted.

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Speaker 1: I actually feel like Epstein Transparency Act can be used

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Speaker 3: Right now, yeah, oh this is great now?

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Speaker 1: Yes, So because now the Justice Department saying it plans

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Speaker 1: to release the records on a rolling basis. I love

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Speaker 1: that's they're literally giving themselves no actual further deadline because

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Speaker 1: once they missed the Friday deadline. Now they're just kind

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Speaker 3: Basis, and you're gonna forget about this after Christmas.

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Speaker 2: That's what they're hoping, right.

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Speaker 3: But who's gonna what are you gonna yell about? Now?

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Speaker 3: We were yelling to get the bill passed, right, that

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Speaker 3: was a fight. We got the bill passed. They were yelling,

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Speaker 3: we got it, we got Okay, you got it. What's

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Speaker 1: The next it The only thing they can do is

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Speaker 3: Well, totally unredacted, because if there are, if there are

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Speaker 3: five words redacted out of those three million documents, people

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Speaker 1: And if names are redacted, which I can understand about victims,

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Speaker 1: they'll claim that names of potential millionaire businessmen, their names

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Speaker 1: You have to actually not redact anything for people to

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Speaker 2: Like, if it's true that there are three.

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Speaker 1: Point six million records, how will we know if they

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Speaker 3: So the point being that this is point less, that

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Speaker 2: It's a circus.

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Speaker 3: Even if they put every single thing out, nobody's ever

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, that you are correct in that, And

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Speaker 1: this never ends. There'll never be a there'll never be

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Speaker 1: an ending that's satisfactory to everyone, and maybe even to anyone.

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Speaker 1: I don't know anyone who feels satisfied right now when

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Speaker 1: it comes to what's been done and what's been released,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think I mean, who trusts our government

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Speaker 1: these days? Like who trusts our government?

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Speaker 3: I'm sure there's polling on that. All right.

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Speaker 1: When we come back, we're going to talk about what

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Speaker 1: the next steps are, because we're already hearing from two lawmakers,

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Speaker 1: one a Republican won a Democrat, and they had a

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Speaker 1: lot to do with this Transparency Act to begin with,

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Speaker 1: and what they want to do to Pam Bondi. And

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Speaker 1: also we're going to hear from the victims and their

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Speaker 1: reaction to what's been released so far. Welcome back everyone,

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Speaker 1: as we continue to talk about what. Yeah, everyone's been

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Speaker 3: I wants to stop talking about at some point, please.

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Speaker 2: You've asked, You're like, do we have to keep talking

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Speaker 2: about this? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Apparently we do because the government, it's this is shocking,

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Speaker 2: The Epstein files.

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Speaker 1: Were all supposed to be really on Friday by midnight.

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Speaker 2: They didn't do it.

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Speaker 1: They released some, took back some of the stuff they released,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just a typical week in Washington.

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Speaker 1: Really, why are we surprised? This is how our government operated.

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Speaker 3: What you say, do what they said they were going

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Speaker 2: And who's going to hold them accountable?

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Speaker 3: How's the dj going to hold the DOJ accountable?

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Speaker 1: But Representative who is a Republican and then Rocanna, who's

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Speaker 1: So they're claiming that they may bring inherent contempt charges

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Speaker 3: Do you like that? So?

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Speaker 1: Do you know what inherent contempt charges are? It is

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Speaker 1: that would be Pam Bondy Attorney General Pambondy until he

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Speaker 1: But don't dangle that this has never happened in modern times.

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Speaker 3: Why why come on? Man?

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Speaker 1: So now they're making threats that we are now publicly

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Speaker 2: You have to be willing to follow through.

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Speaker 3: You don't what I'm saying, Robes. They escalated an already

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Speaker 3: just okay, fine. If anybody has a problem with Pam

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Speaker 1: We're gonna take Pam Bondi away from her family at

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Speaker 3: Okay, stop, this is not gonna happen. Obviously, we don't

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Speaker 1: So that came, Actually, that came from the Republican Massy

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Speaker 3: Who are these men that he's right? This is what

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Speaker 1: Yes, no men's names in any of the documents that

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Speaker 1: There's all the things we're looking for aren't in the

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Speaker 3: Yes, because a US congressman that we trust, who's in

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Speaker 2: Correct?

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Speaker 3: Okay? Then how am I now? Okay? Where is that good?

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Speaker 2: Waiting and don't forget.

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Speaker 1: We heard from the Epstein survivors who say they're going

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so tell me what the percentage of the headlines

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Speaker 3: what wasn't there? What was redacted? A picture of Bill Clinton? Right?

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Speaker 3: I read that too, but I had to deep dive,

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Speaker 2: That's such a good point, babe, That is such a

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Speaker 3: So that's being missed something that does indicate the vic

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Speaker 3: that cool, But it has it turned into a circus,

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Speaker 3: looking for the most salacious things possible. I don't know

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Speaker 2: And that's what's so sad.

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Speaker 1: That point is the saddest part about all of this,

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Speaker 1: And it's about making your voters think that the other

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Speaker 3: Are digging those three million pages all you want documents.

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Speaker 3: Maybe there's some truth in there, but Robes, no, this

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Speaker 2: Check enough that you just say.

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Speaker 3: I don't even care anymore, almost to check on that

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Speaker 3: all this, you know, and all the coverage as well,

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Speaker 1: The people who were saying they want Pam BONDI imprisoned.

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Speaker 1: That's who went on the Sunday shows. But we will

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Speaker 1: thank you for listening to us. We appreciate you. I

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Speaker 1: made me Robock alongside TJ. Holmes, and we will talk

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