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Speaker 1: if your feet were damaged, you'd be okay, though you'd
Speaker 1: be practicing j P. That's right, but you know, I
Speaker 1: would use the helmet that they told me to. But
Speaker 1: that's okay. That's a strange deal, and we'll get to
Speaker 1: that a little range deal and around the league. Pete Prisco,
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Speaker 1: that's a pretty good one. I like it. Um, We've
Speaker 1: got plenty to get to on this program today. Left
Speaker 1: Tackle News that was the big news of today. Nick
Speaker 1: Voles speaks. The quarterback talking is always news. We'll hear
Speaker 1: from QB coming up. Philosophy of starting or not starting
Speaker 1: in the preseason, you're your starters for the regular season.
Speaker 1: That's been a hot topic lately. Break that down. We'll
Speaker 1: go around the National Football League as well. Let's start
Speaker 1: today with the left tackle news. We'll start actually on Saturday,
Speaker 1: Doug Moron, the Jaguars head coach, broke the news that
Speaker 1: he wasn't sure some of these guys will be ready,
Speaker 1: including Cam Robinson and Doug was down on Saturday. You know,
Speaker 1: those guys are really trying hard, but today it was
Speaker 1: kind of a benchmark. You know, they try to kind
Speaker 1: of get them back. I don't know if they're gonna
Speaker 1: be ready, you know, for the season. So you know,
Speaker 1: they're working hard, the train is working hard, and everybody's
Speaker 1: working hard for uh, you know, but we just can't
Speaker 1: get him over the hump. So we've gotta go and
Speaker 1: start preparing um to play without him. That's Saturday. Let's
Speaker 1: move to Monday morning today at T I A. Bank Field,
Speaker 1: the Jaguars back in the practice field about five and
Speaker 1: about eight fifteen, The first question of Doug Maron today
Speaker 1: was the latest on Cam Robinson. B injuries have been
Speaker 1: a big thing. We do have one change, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: which we were excited about. Obviously, Cam Robinson is gonna
Speaker 1: be off a pup, so, um, he'll be out there
Speaker 1: on the practice field. He'll be going through walks throughs
Speaker 1: and uh individual So that's the good news. Cam Robinson
Speaker 1: back in the practice field. We had a chance to
Speaker 1: see Cam Robinson on the practice field individuals walk throughs
Speaker 1: today and then we heard from the big fellow after practice.
Speaker 1: What in the world Cam Robinson back out there? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I had a plan this whole time. Uh mean a
Speaker 1: week be back about week one. Um, I ever to
Speaker 1: put its time tape one, and I was just based
Speaker 1: on how I felt coming in each and every day.
Speaker 1: Anything anybody said, it didn't come from me. So long,
Speaker 1: I've never really paid so much attention to us. So
Speaker 1: people gonna talk. Okay, here he is about eleven months
Speaker 1: since that injury and he's finally back on the practice
Speaker 1: field in a limited role. Here that that's a long
Speaker 1: time for for most guys, especially offensive lineman, to finally
Speaker 1: come back to practice. You're talking about eleven months. Most
Speaker 1: guys are back to some form of practice. Usually ten
Speaker 1: is usually at the latest, Pete. I mean some some
Speaker 1: guys are back sooner than that, maybe nine months for
Speaker 1: for an offensive lineman. Yeah, and that leads me the
Speaker 1: little bit of a red flag for me. And I
Speaker 1: think we talked about this Jeff when I was up there. Um,
Speaker 1: that's a long time and Joe did he not do
Speaker 1: his rehab as diligently as he should? Was there a
Speaker 1: message sent by the head coach uh the other day?
Speaker 1: And you you know, Jeff, you played for Tom. You
Speaker 1: know how Tom would send those messages through the media
Speaker 1: and try and get those two the players. That looked
Speaker 1: like a message that was sent to him and message
Speaker 1: received because he was on the p off the pup
Speaker 1: list today, Well let me let me kind of. You
Speaker 1: got two separate things going on there now. Number one
Speaker 1: is is look, every knee is different. You know, could
Speaker 1: Cam Robinson's knee have responded later and that's why you
Speaker 1: know it has taken him some time to get back. Yes,
Speaker 1: So I don't want to sit here and say, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's it's on the player. Maybe he had something that
Speaker 1: needed to be further strengthened or any something like that.
Speaker 1: It's uncomfortable with something. I mean, look, I mean everybody's different.
Speaker 1: I mean not everybody comes back on the cookie Cutter
Speaker 1: rehab schedules, So something could have altered that schedule for him. Now,
Speaker 1: was this a message from Doug Marone on Saturday which
Speaker 1: prompted his return today? I will say this, Doug Moron,
Speaker 1: I've never gotten the impression, and never from talking with him,
Speaker 1: felt like he has ever sent any message through the media.
Speaker 1: I've never known him to do that. I think in
Speaker 1: this situation here, because when you get down to the
Speaker 1: end where a player has to clear medical hurdles to
Speaker 1: get cleared for practice so that he can be taken
Speaker 1: off of the up, the majority of that information is
Speaker 1: based on what the person or the individual is telling
Speaker 1: the doctor and then the doctor makes a judgment call
Speaker 1: from that information. So did this end up maybe opening
Speaker 1: the eyes of Cam Robinson? Oh my gosh. Uh, they're
Speaker 1: preparing without me. I might not be ready or there
Speaker 1: might not be a job for me opening day if
Speaker 1: I don't hurry up and get back. I mean, did
Speaker 1: it open Cam Robinson's eyes? Maybe? Was it intended to
Speaker 1: be a message by Doug Moron. I don't think it
Speaker 1: was intended to be a message by Doug Moron. Doug
Speaker 1: Maron goes based off of what the doctors and the
Speaker 1: trainers are telling him. So but but Jeff, you know
Speaker 1: better than that that Tom never would push back on
Speaker 1: the doctors back. And then I'm not saying Doug did here,
Speaker 1: but we know coaches that do do that, and they've
Speaker 1: done it over the years. See, for me, isn't this
Speaker 1: a matter of can you do your work without having
Speaker 1: swelling and any other issues? And maybe he got to
Speaker 1: that point where yesterday he did his like a couple
Speaker 1: of days of work and there was no swelling, and
Speaker 1: they said, okay, let's go, then let's go talk. I
Speaker 1: think this was I think this is a I mean,
Speaker 1: forty eight hours is not going to change whether or
Speaker 1: not you're gonna have swelling or not. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: not going to change. And the only thing that's gonna
Speaker 1: change is the information that the individuals given the doctor
Speaker 1: based on can he or can he not do what
Speaker 1: is required of him out of practice. So I mean,
Speaker 1: if that's the case, then the message maybe maybe it
Speaker 1: wasn't a clear message from Doug moron. But if it
Speaker 1: wasn't it worked exactly. Maybe it wasn't a message, but
Speaker 1: maybe it worked as one, which is fine. Yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: that message came from above and Doug was the mouthpiece,
Speaker 1: if you know what I mean, I wouldn't say that
Speaker 1: Pete Wood and he does often. So yes, I look,
Speaker 1: I'm glad he's back. And uh and Pete, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you this, I'm glad he's back because if he wants
Speaker 1: to be ready for opening Day, he's got to come
Speaker 1: back and he's got to compete with oh boy, and
Speaker 1: he's got a show that he's gonna be the best
Speaker 1: option for the left tackle position. And that's not gonna
Speaker 1: be easy to do because you're talking about a player
Speaker 1: who has not done a practice yet in his return
Speaker 1: from an A c L reconstruction, and you're talking about
Speaker 1: competing with a guy who look, by the way, he
Speaker 1: was a first round pick too. Uh, so he's got
Speaker 1: some talent and it wasn't like that it was a
Speaker 1: reach for the Bengals. I mean, he was a consensus
Speaker 1: first round pick. That kind of messed him, kind of
Speaker 1: messed up his draft stas, but he was still a
Speaker 1: first round pick, you know, So I mean this, this,
Speaker 1: This is exactly what you want to think of. You're
Speaker 1: a coach. You want a position battle for the opening
Speaker 1: day starting job. There's nothing wrong with that. You would
Speaker 1: like to have your five guys get some work together eventually, though,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, before week one. You want
Speaker 1: your five guys who were going to be your starting
Speaker 1: offensive alignment to have some kind of cohesiveness. Sure a
Speaker 1: practice field or in a game or whatever, right that
Speaker 1: spot is open. Isn't there a battle at right guard
Speaker 1: going on now too? With Can and Richardson? Is now
Speaker 1: open battle too? Well? Look, I don't think it's a
Speaker 1: spoken job that's open, but I think, look, here's the reality.
Speaker 1: Every job is open, and it sounds pretty public to
Speaker 1: me when they said it the other day. They're talking
Speaker 1: about will Richardson Junia, he has a chance to win us.
Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, if you're going to compete
Speaker 1: for a starting right guard job, what's the first requirement
Speaker 1: you need to play right guard? Okay, what did he
Speaker 1: do in Game one? Played right tackle? Because of the
Speaker 1: numbers game because of the injuries that they had at
Speaker 1: the tackle position, Will Richardson had to play right tackle.
Speaker 1: So can he win that job, sure, but he's got
Speaker 1: to be given the opportunity to play reps at right
Speaker 1: guard in a game situation. I mean, that's where the
Speaker 1: ultimate trust is gonna come from. So I think we'll
Speaker 1: not on a message, but Can was one of the
Speaker 1: few guys that actually lined up and played the other
Speaker 1: night as a start, as a potential starter that was
Speaker 1: a little well well. I think two reasons for that, Pete.
Speaker 1: Number one is is that they feel that a J
Speaker 1: needs the reps. I thought a J came out last year,
Speaker 1: had a wonderful camp. He was keeping his head up.
Speaker 1: The new emphasis on the helmet rule with the offensive lineman,
Speaker 1: it made him a better player. You've seen a couple
Speaker 1: of times where he's fallen back into that trap or
Speaker 1: the head has started to drop. But the other thing
Speaker 1: is that they want to know if a J can
Speaker 1: can be a center, And if a J can can
Speaker 1: be a center, then that changes the dynamic of what
Speaker 1: they do on game day. It also changes the dynamic
Speaker 1: of what they're gonna do too as far as shaping
Speaker 1: the roster at the offensive line position, because if you
Speaker 1: can have him snap, does that give you an option
Speaker 1: of letting Tyler Shatley go and keeping these extra tackles maybe,
Speaker 1: or does it just give you an option on game
Speaker 1: day of having a j Can active with Will Richardson Jr.
Speaker 1: Active as well with oh boy he active in Cam
Speaker 1: Robinson as a starter, or flip the tackles however you
Speaker 1: want to do it. But if you're gonna have seven
Speaker 1: active on game day, somebody's gotta be able to play
Speaker 1: center in a pinch. So does that give you the
Speaker 1: ability to where Shatley is not that option? Maybe? Maybe? Jeff,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pin you down right now, we're a month away.
Speaker 1: Who starts opening day on that offensive line? I think
Speaker 1: I think everything is obviously. I think A. J. Cann
Speaker 1: is the starter right guard. I don't think that there
Speaker 1: will be enough opportunity or reps for Will Richardson Jr.
Speaker 1: To be able to gain some traction at the right
Speaker 1: guard position the left tackle position. To me, uh, I mean,
Speaker 1: how do you pick it now? I mean we've we've
Speaker 1: seen Came Robinson at one practice and he didn't even
Speaker 1: really do any team reps. You know, if I had
Speaker 1: to pick right now, if he's back, then I think
Speaker 1: Cam Robinson because he's their draft pick and he said
Speaker 1: he struggled. Don't get me wrong, I never thought he was.
Speaker 1: He had a great two first two seasons, even before
Speaker 1: we got hurt last year. So I think, but I
Speaker 1: get I get what you're saying that. I get what
Speaker 1: you're saying, but I think he's going to be the
Speaker 1: left tackle. But if he falters, if he falters and
Speaker 1: his footwork is not clean, and he's shown any signs
Speaker 1: of not being back and ready to go, then a
Speaker 1: way he's in. And I think, now you're you know,
Speaker 1: hopefully Joan Taylor starts to get back to practice and
Speaker 1: he can take the majority of the reps right you
Speaker 1: would look the reality of he's going to be your
Speaker 1: starter at right tackle. I think everybody knows that, and
Speaker 1: everybody can see that. I mean, it would be tough
Speaker 1: not to be able to see that with your own eyes.
Speaker 1: So but because of that right tackle issue of health,
Speaker 1: and because of the right guard issue of health, you're
Speaker 1: having to do some things with guys that you would
Speaker 1: like to do something differently. So it's a numbers game
Speaker 1: piece sometimes. Look when a couple of guys are down,
Speaker 1: did you get to evaluate will richardson where you'd like
Speaker 1: to evaluate a mat which is right guard. No, he's
Speaker 1: gotta play right tackle. That's what your numbers tell you.
Speaker 1: Interesting stuff in the offensive line, that's a training camp
Speaker 1: in the preseason. All that and look, it's great. I
Speaker 1: thought A J. Cann did a pretty good job at center,
Speaker 1: and the reps that he got during the game, do
Speaker 1: you think so I did a pretty good job. The
Speaker 1: biggest question that I have for A J. Can Pete
Speaker 1: and you know this, I mean, when you have a
Speaker 1: guy that is not a historic center, which I mean
Speaker 1: you know you're born and raised and you were playing
Speaker 1: center since little league in high school. What happens in
Speaker 1: a shotgun snap and you got a guy right on
Speaker 1: top of your nose? Right? I mean, look, it's it's
Speaker 1: easy to do it in practice. All of a sudden,
Speaker 1: the lights get bright and you put uh Aaron Donald
Speaker 1: on top of you and you're in a shotgun situation.
Speaker 1: Is it's never gonna get the nick foles, you know.
Speaker 1: So those are the things that are hard to evaluate
Speaker 1: and until you get under the lights in the preseason.
Speaker 1: And then that's one of the reasons why I think
Speaker 1: A J. Candell is active when so many others starters
Speaker 1: were not active. You need to evaluate him as a center.
Speaker 1: We'll have plenty more talk on the left tackle position.
Speaker 1: We will get to your questions on social media today
Speaker 1: as well. Send us a tweet on Twitter, that's where
Speaker 1: you send tweets, and we'll get to those in the
Speaker 1: second hour to including some questions about the left tackle
Speaker 1: well and and coming up and questions about the left
Speaker 1: tackle that was in a Twitter video. We'll get to
Speaker 1: that in the questions. I got a lot of questions
Speaker 1: about that video. Yes, we will. We'll delve back into
Speaker 1: that a little bit later today. We'll come back in
Speaker 1: a moment and the philosophy of starting or not starting,
Speaker 1: to start or not to start, that is the question
Speaker 1: we'll hear from Nick Foles when we come back. It's
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Speaker 1: There's a method behind the madness, so we trust that, UM.
Speaker 1: But you know when you see practice, I mean we're
Speaker 1: competing every single play. You know, we're pushing through, we're
Speaker 1: grinding through, we're playing a game speed, we're talking through it,
Speaker 1: and you know we're working to get better. So we're
Speaker 1: getting those game reps out here. Obviously it's not in
Speaker 1: a stadium, it's not under the lights, UM, and that
Speaker 1: is a different animal in itself. But we're we're getting
Speaker 1: a lot of work, um, and you know when we
Speaker 1: do take the film coach aside that you know we'll
Speaker 1: be ready. You know, we'll be ready to roll. And
Speaker 1: you know there's always some butterflies when you get back
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Speaker 1: Foles play anything of this game Thursday Night? I want
Speaker 1: to let Pete start this because I think this is
Speaker 1: a great debate and I don't I don't think there's
Speaker 1: any right answer, but people will swear up and down
Speaker 1: that he has the right answer. Well, my right answer
Speaker 1: is he should play, um, you know, and then look
Speaker 1: a series or two whatever, depending on how long the
Speaker 1: series is. That the series is three and out and
Speaker 1: you put him in for a second one. If the
Speaker 1: series is you know, eight plays and you get a
Speaker 1: field goal out of it, then you get them out
Speaker 1: of there. But I think he needs to get to work.
Speaker 1: I think you can wait till week three. You know
Speaker 1: you're not playing in week four. Uh so yeah, I
Speaker 1: think he does need to get to work. But nothing important.
Speaker 1: You know. I was talk having a chat with Philip
Speaker 1: Rowers the other night on the sideline. I would say,
Speaker 1: do you get anything out of preseason? He says, I
Speaker 1: get way more out of the practices and that are
Speaker 1: working with other teams. He had forty throws against the
Speaker 1: Rams the other day. Have he played in the preseason
Speaker 1: he might get too maybe in the first quarter, I
Speaker 1: mean the first couple of drives. So I do think
Speaker 1: it will be careful with it. But I would play
Speaker 1: him this week if I were the Jaguars. Did you
Speaker 1: hear those numbers? It's amazing, right, Okay? Yeah? Uh and
Speaker 1: uh that's something that I'm gonna actually have a conversation
Speaker 1: with Doug Moron about for the pregame interview. I've got
Speaker 1: it on my list Radio, I've got I've got it
Speaker 1: on my list things to ask Doug Moron because you
Speaker 1: know what, it's been a hot topic. Yes, it really
Speaker 1: has been. And uh, and we're also going to talk
Speaker 1: with him about it for Jaguars weekend coming up. We'll
Speaker 1: talk to him about it after the preseason game number two.
Speaker 1: But then we'll find out what happens in preseason game
Speaker 1: number two. Cool. Uh, what is the right answer in
Speaker 1: today's NFL. I don't know if there is a right answer,
Speaker 1: but what I feel more comfortable seeing my starters out there. Yes,
Speaker 1: but I will say this, Pete. When you go to
Speaker 1: a Jaguars practice, whether they be in Baltimore or out
Speaker 1: here at the practice fields, you are seeing the number
Speaker 1: ones get a for And I have a word that
Speaker 1: I would use to describe it, which is a pile
Speaker 1: of you know, a bunch of pile, but I'll use
Speaker 1: this term. They are taking a lot of snaps in
Speaker 1: practice and against the Baltimore Ravens, and two practices against
Speaker 1: the Ravens, the number one took the majority of the snaps.
Speaker 1: So I think the philosophy shift is this, if you
Speaker 1: play them in the game, you're probably backing out of
Speaker 1: some reps in practice. Or you could flip that. You
Speaker 1: could decrease the reps in a game and increase the
Speaker 1: reps in practice in a controlled environment where you know
Speaker 1: your starters, the guys that are critical are not gonna
Speaker 1: get hurt. So what is the right of doing things? Well,
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a right answer here, but I
Speaker 1: will say that it makes the fan base and it
Speaker 1: makes us as observers probably more comfortable by seeing the
Speaker 1: starters and the team play. Right. So, I mean, what
Speaker 1: are we looking for? Are we looking for the team
Speaker 1: to play so we can go, oh, our team is
Speaker 1: gonna be okay, they looked good the other night, Or
Speaker 1: what's the more important thing when the game start for
Speaker 1: real and September Now, here's a question for you. If
Speaker 1: the entire offensive line is healthy, if everybody in this
Speaker 1: offense is healthy and ready to go, does that make
Speaker 1: a difference right now? Like, if you what do you
Speaker 1: mean as far as if everybody's healthy, it doesn't make
Speaker 1: a difference what your decision is right now? For a
Speaker 1: week two do no does not either playful to two
Speaker 1: series or you don't play him at all. It doesn't
Speaker 1: have any baring on who's in the in the for
Speaker 1: me on the offensive line. You know. Here's the other
Speaker 1: thing is anything you take away from preseason. And Jeff,
Speaker 1: you've known this for a long time. I have to
Speaker 1: you can't take anything from games, nothing, zero, zippo, because
Speaker 1: nobody schemes anything. It's hard to evaluate players. It's just
Speaker 1: for me. I think sometimes guys are just trying to
Speaker 1: get acclimated to the game speed. Uh. And so for me,
Speaker 1: I I almost never take anything from the preseason, and
Speaker 1: it used to be a week three you could take
Speaker 1: stuff from that because supposedly it was game week. Even
Speaker 1: that has been pulled back some and so so it's
Speaker 1: hard to get a real I get more out of
Speaker 1: watching two teams practice against each other then I do
Speaker 1: at any of the preseason games. Yeah. I think I
Speaker 1: think that's more valuable, the practice time going against somebody
Speaker 1: than actual the games. Even though the game snaps. You know,
Speaker 1: you do have benefit of it because the intensity ramps up.
Speaker 1: They're getting a player who wants to compete at a
Speaker 1: high level. Uh, you know, So, I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know if there's a right answer. And you bring up
Speaker 1: you bring up a great point. How do you evaluate preseason? Okay,
Speaker 1: Number one is is what is the game? M Do
Speaker 1: you think that Todd wash is playing his nickel defense
Speaker 1: with the full bag of calls in a preseason game?
Speaker 1: So if if he's not, can you really evaluate the
Speaker 1: game and say, boy, that was good or that was bad?
Speaker 1: You can't because a lot of times when when the
Speaker 1: Jaguars are playing in the preseason game, they might have
Speaker 1: four plays in the playbook and its entirety offensively and
Speaker 1: run those four plays play in and play out. So
Speaker 1: they're not changing anything up. They're not giving anything any
Speaker 1: kind of different looks. And you know what, the defense
Speaker 1: may be playing guys that normally wouldn't play, or the
Speaker 1: defense maybe playing a defensive system that they're not gonna
Speaker 1: play in that situation in a regular game. For examples,
Speaker 1: like the other night I did the Cardinals game right
Speaker 1: I was in Arizona. Want to go see Murray's first game.
Speaker 1: He completed five or six passes or whatever it was.
Speaker 1: He didn't play in any style or four of the
Speaker 1: offense that they're gonna use during the regular season nothing.
Speaker 1: It was zero. Well, there's many times Kingsbury like to
Speaker 1: spread people out and play five. I mean, people don't
Speaker 1: show things in the preseason. But if you go to
Speaker 1: a practice, and I'm sure you guys saw this last
Speaker 1: year last week at Baltimore, when you go to a
Speaker 1: practice where they're working against other team, they'll do a
Speaker 1: lot more of their stuff. They'll show more stuff because
Speaker 1: it's not on tape, and you know, it's not easy
Speaker 1: to get log on and find it and see it.
Speaker 1: So I think you show a lot more and working
Speaker 1: a lot more when you're going against the team in
Speaker 1: practice than you're doing the preseason. For example, real quick, JP,
Speaker 1: multiple times in a preseason game, you've seen the Jaguars
Speaker 1: playing an offense that might be in a three wide
Speaker 1: receiver set, but yet the Jaguars are playing a base defense.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're not even playing a nickel defense versus
Speaker 1: three or four wides. They're like, we'll just play it
Speaker 1: in based defense because that's what we have and and
Speaker 1: we don't want to substitute the extra defensive backs or
Speaker 1: it's a personnel issue or what you know. So so,
Speaker 1: I mean, so in the preseason. You never get apple
Speaker 1: to apples and oranges to oranges. You always get apples
Speaker 1: versus oranges and oranges versus apples. Well, let me ask
Speaker 1: you this, guys, when is this gonna change? Are they
Speaker 1: gonna shorten this preseason at some point down? It's that
Speaker 1: you in a perfect world, you'd like to see him
Speaker 1: short in the preseason, But are they going to? I mean,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. Do you do? You go to your
Speaker 1: fan base and say, hey, look we're taking away two
Speaker 1: preseason games, and so now your per ticket charges increased
Speaker 1: per game for season tickets. Uh, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that's that's the one obstacle I think to
Speaker 1: to eliminating it's part of the preseason or all of
Speaker 1: the preseason. But the reality is that every coach will
Speaker 1: tell you that, and I think the majority of the
Speaker 1: consensus is among coaches in the National Football League that
Speaker 1: if you give them two preseason games, that is plenty.
Speaker 1: And anybody the coach that will tell you anything different
Speaker 1: Pete is not telling the truth too. And work with
Speaker 1: other teams either, you know, maybe me twice and for example,
Speaker 1: I'm a big believer in I do still think it's
Speaker 1: going to eighteen games at some point. I mean that's
Speaker 1: a reality. The rosters are gonna get increased, there's gonna
Speaker 1: be more jobs, more money than networks will like it,
Speaker 1: the teams will like it, the owners will like it,
Speaker 1: the players will make more money, and there'll be more jobs.
Speaker 1: So I do think it's going there. But you gotta
Speaker 1: get rid of two of them. And what you do
Speaker 1: is Jacksonville went't worked out with Baltimore for for two days.
Speaker 1: That's still gonna happen. But I still think they need
Speaker 1: to add something else and what I would add, and
Speaker 1: it would make a lot of sense to help grow
Speaker 1: your NFL fan base. And some people think you don't
Speaker 1: have to, but there's always you know, people out there
Speaker 1: that can't go to games. Go in between two cities.
Speaker 1: For example, the Jaguars would go meet the Falcons and
Speaker 1: Valdosta have a workout with him on one day, have
Speaker 1: like the supposed scrimmage, although you don't tackle at nighttime
Speaker 1: on one day, make a little festival around it and
Speaker 1: give the money to charity all of it. All the
Speaker 1: money goes to a local charity. And therefore you're gonna
Speaker 1: grow your fan base. People who from Valdosta who can't
Speaker 1: go to Atlanta, can't afford to go to Atlanta, can't
Speaker 1: afford to go to Jacksonville. We'll see an NFL game.
Speaker 1: Miami and Tampa might need you know, whoever, wherever whatever, Right, wait, wait,
Speaker 1: waityway you think you think that they're gonna do something
Speaker 1: like that. That's ridiculous, pete, because the facilities aren't up
Speaker 1: to pArg No, the facilities wouldn't be up to par
Speaker 1: doing something like that. You're gonna stay, You're gonna stick
Speaker 1: with what you do. That I think the best way
Speaker 1: to do it. In the preseas you still continue to
Speaker 1: play your your two preseason games, but you take those
Speaker 1: two preseason games and you have two weeks off from
Speaker 1: the last preseason game to the first regular season game,
Speaker 1: and then the first preseason game is almost unassured. We're
Speaker 1: gonna travel to a team and practice with them, or
Speaker 1: they're gonna come to us, and then we practice each other.
Speaker 1: If you could do the same thing on the second game,
Speaker 1: and then your starters wouldn't have to play the second
Speaker 1: preseason game, which will be your last preseason game, and
Speaker 1: then you would have two weeks to get ready for
Speaker 1: the season opener to me. That's that's the way you
Speaker 1: should do it. It gives you ample time to get
Speaker 1: ready to healthy to like Valdosta State or something and
Speaker 1: do it. I like your idea, but the facilities aren't.
Speaker 1: Aren't the quality at Valdosta State that you're gonna have
Speaker 1: the Falcons in? And Uh Titans used to go meet
Speaker 1: in Dalton, George at a high school facility? Do you
Speaker 1: think do you think the NFL Association is going to
Speaker 1: agree to go play at a high school stadium or
Speaker 1: to go to some college facilities or it's like a
Speaker 1: couple of work days just like they do it. Okay, No,
Speaker 1: because it's an NFL player, I can tell you I
Speaker 1: wouldn't go to a high school field and expect the
Speaker 1: facility to be as quality to NFL standards about the
Speaker 1: field itself. It's safety not to safety issue. Pete. You
Speaker 1: you gotta stick with the NFL facilities. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: all fine and dandy. Let's just let's not get carried
Speaker 1: away by by changing the entire dynamic of preseason by
Speaker 1: wanting to travel to high schools. Didn't it's college. Just
Speaker 1: cut two games out, go to two preseason games and
Speaker 1: still keep it. Uh, somewhat quality football in an NFL stadium,
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Speaker 1: think next week? Tavin Bryan gets it started on this
Speaker 1: defensive discussion here. Everybody's kind of on Taven these days,
Speaker 1: at least online socially. Pete, I know you see some
Speaker 1: of that online everywhere. It's kind of everybody's kind of
Speaker 1: you know, Taven Bryan's the first round pick. Why is
Speaker 1: he playing like a first round pick? Is? The argument? Is? He?
Speaker 1: Is he? How is he playing in this preseason and
Speaker 1: in this camp. We'll start with you. What have you
Speaker 1: seen from Taven Brown? Let me say this, Uh, he
Speaker 1: he didn't pick himself in the first round, so uh,
Speaker 1: I think do you consider that though when you evaluate
Speaker 1: the player? I mean you do that somewhat because it's
Speaker 1: just natural and the team picked himself. It's more you
Speaker 1: evaluate the team's picking Taven Bryant is a first round pick.
Speaker 1: How's he doing? Does he look and play like a
Speaker 1: first round pick? So far? There are moments that Taven
Speaker 1: Bryan has to where he is a physical, dominant presence
Speaker 1: and he looks like a first round pick. Just like
Speaker 1: in the game. He pushed to pocket a couple of
Speaker 1: different times and he actually looked pretty good and rated
Speaker 1: pretty well with the coaching staff. And then there are
Speaker 1: other times when he pushed the pocket and the quarterback
Speaker 1: literally steps up right past him and then Tavin didn't
Speaker 1: see it and so the awareness was not there. But
Speaker 1: that's something that you expect a first round caliber talent
Speaker 1: to be able to come off and make the play.
Speaker 1: And so so it's kind of a mixed bag. But
Speaker 1: I will say this, he's gotten better. And I think
Speaker 1: part of the reason that he's gotten better is that
Speaker 1: the coaches at the beginning of camp and last year
Speaker 1: they were alternating him. Remember last year they had him
Speaker 1: in a strong the strong end position, which was backing
Speaker 1: up Clay's Campbell. Well, they learned last year that he
Speaker 1: was better as a three technique just getting off the ball,
Speaker 1: which he does have a very good good off and
Speaker 1: in training camp they started him out kind of the
Speaker 1: same pattern. They had him at a strong side in
Speaker 1: and then the three technique and then now though they
Speaker 1: had been keeping him at just the three technique, and
Speaker 1: I think that has helped him, but he still has
Speaker 1: a ways to go. And that Florida was very similar.
Speaker 1: He was very close to making a lot of place,
Speaker 1: but the situational awareness or the football awareness needs to
Speaker 1: be increased. And now is that a a learning thing
Speaker 1: where you're thinking about alignment, assignment, responsibility and then once
Speaker 1: you get all those things taken care of Pete and
Speaker 1: then everything else falls into place. I don't know the
Speaker 1: answer to that, but only time will tell, you know,
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. I was working that night,
Speaker 1: and but you know, being on Twitter and seeing all
Speaker 1: the tweets coming out about him uh and beating him up,
Speaker 1: and then you know, thinking, I thought, Okay, this kid
Speaker 1: was on his back a lot. He was getting dominated.
Speaker 1: And then I went back and rewatched the game and
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was nearly as bad as it
Speaker 1: was portrayed. He had he had too bad place, Pete,
Speaker 1: too bad place. And you make a good point, Jeff,
Speaker 1: he do did push the pocket a couple of times. Now,
Speaker 1: he just got to learn how to disengage and make
Speaker 1: the play. But I expected to see from just judging
Speaker 1: from the tweets that I saw, I expected him to
Speaker 1: spend the after the evening on his back and that
Speaker 1: wasn't the case. No, no, what was and like that.
Speaker 1: But the one thing he's got to learn, for some reason,
Speaker 1: when he tries to disengage off of that power position,
Speaker 1: a lot of times he he gets weak. So in
Speaker 1: other words, when you when you are throwing an offensive lineman,
Speaker 1: you have to be violent and it has to be
Speaker 1: a violent physical move to disengage. It can't be I'm
Speaker 1: letting go and then trying to fall off for sluff off,
Speaker 1: because they re engage you. They re engage you, and
Speaker 1: they don't like they don't let go. That's offensive line
Speaker 1: are taught old. I will say that there were two
Speaker 1: plays in the game that we're not good, and they
Speaker 1: were short yardage plays and in both instances he was
Speaker 1: knocked off the ball a couple of yards each, and
Speaker 1: so that was not good. I mean, because if you're
Speaker 1: going to be big, strong, physical short yardage, you need
Speaker 1: to be the same thing. But but you would agree
Speaker 1: with me not nearly as bad as the portrayal. Oh no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'd like to do some good things, some bad things.
Speaker 1: That's the preseason and and hopefully he continues to get
Speaker 1: better because he's gonna get a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of rotational playtime. You know, he's gonna be not gonna
Speaker 1: be a starter, but he's gonna be a guy that
Speaker 1: gets a ton of reps. Right. I mean, let's see,
Speaker 1: Josh Allen made his Jaguars debut first snap, had a
Speaker 1: tackle for loss in the game against Baltimore. How did
Speaker 1: he look on the first in his first Jaguars I
Speaker 1: thought he looked good and I was happy that, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, he got to see the ones. He got
Speaker 1: to see, Uh what's the left tackle from Notre Dame Stanley? Stanley?
Speaker 1: And then he also got to see the starting right
Speaker 1: tackle that played a significant amount of playing time, which
Speaker 1: was the Orlando Brown Jr. Right and that the right
Speaker 1: tackle from Oklahoma. And I think that they played him
Speaker 1: a ton of that ball game because he came to
Speaker 1: camp and he was out of shape. But tell me
Speaker 1: two excellent tackles to face for Josh Allen the very
Speaker 1: first play of the game. I thought it was a
Speaker 1: very nice play. Was it a dominant play? I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say a dominant play, but a nice way to start. Uh. Look,
Speaker 1: it's gonna take some time for him to get comfortable
Speaker 1: putting his hand on the ground. A lot of times
Speaker 1: when he tries to line up on a tight end
Speaker 1: in a three point stance, that is something new for
Speaker 1: him and it is very difficult to learn to do that.
Speaker 1: But I thought the rushes he started to show signs
Speaker 1: in the week of practice against the Ravens and and
Speaker 1: also in the game that he was starting to work
Speaker 1: the edges of the offensive lineman, which a lot of
Speaker 1: times when you're a young pass rusher, you try to
Speaker 1: take an offensive lineman down the middle and you overpower
Speaker 1: the man. That doesn't work in the National Football League
Speaker 1: because the offensive tackles are too strong and too athletic.
Speaker 1: And so he's starting to work the edges and that's
Speaker 1: a good sign. And he's starting to show his speed
Speaker 1: and his get off, and he's kind of unique, and
Speaker 1: he's fun to watch from from my standpoint because he
Speaker 1: plays the game from a three point and he also
Speaker 1: has the ability to do it from a two point
Speaker 1: because he does have a very good get off. Most
Speaker 1: people want to get into a track stance a three
Speaker 1: point stands to be able to rush the passer. But
Speaker 1: he has a good enough get off an anticipation that
Speaker 1: he can actually do it in a two point. So
Speaker 1: a lot of people at times Pete may see him
Speaker 1: in a game and go always playing linebacker. Now he's
Speaker 1: in a two point stance. Well, no, he's just playing
Speaker 1: defensive end from a two point stands, which you can't do.
Speaker 1: And then look the old three four or four three
Speaker 1: stuff that's out the window in your Nickel sev at
Speaker 1: the time. Anyway, So you know all these teams like
Speaker 1: the Caroline Panthers, we're switching to a three four, Yeah
Speaker 1: you are, but you're not gonna have seven guys on
Speaker 1: your front anymore. It's just not the way you play.
Speaker 1: So this kid's versatility, to me, is is what's important
Speaker 1: to this defense. When they go to Nickel ideal scenario
Speaker 1: and Nickel in the regular season, it will be Klais
Speaker 1: Campbell and Darius inside with him at left end and
Speaker 1: then god way it right end and that's what Yeah,
Speaker 1: that that's right, and then you'll have uh, you'll have
Speaker 1: McCray as the sub He'll be the next guy up
Speaker 1: on the outside edges, and then Tavan Bryan will be
Speaker 1: the next guy up in the middle. Two tackle positions
Speaker 1: for that, Nick Nickel, what we call subsituation. Pretty good group, right,
Speaker 1: that's when you come to the line of scrimmage and
Speaker 1: see that for that's a good pass rushing for pretty
Speaker 1: good I Pete. I said this before that I I
Speaker 1: expect Josh Allen to break the Jaguars rookie sack record,
Speaker 1: which is currently held buying gock Way. I think he
Speaker 1: has that kind of ability and h that kind of tenacity,
Speaker 1: and and I expect him to be able to do that,
Speaker 1: and I think he will. I think he's that good.
Speaker 1: So if if he breaks the rookie sack record and
Speaker 1: Gockway gets what, here we go, Here we go Dannel eleven.
Speaker 1: I mean, if Calais gets twelve and Darius gets six,
Speaker 1: now you're talking about a defensive line that gets you
Speaker 1: near forty. Yeah, it's pretty good. Good, that's pretty good.
Speaker 1: You're gonna pay some of these guys at some point.
Speaker 1: Let's let's hope, let's hope J. P. Pete that they
Speaker 1: can get those numbers that Pete talk about that would
Speaker 1: be is going to be down right now. I thought
Speaker 1: you were gonna like, jump ahead, what do they do
Speaker 1: after that happened next year? They right, you can't worry
Speaker 1: about that now. But if you get forty out of
Speaker 1: him this year, I'll tell you what they'll do. Cartwheels
Speaker 1: over that. Oh buddy, that would that would be amazing.
Speaker 1: And look, I will tell you this. Pete Duck Morons
Speaker 1: talked about it a couple of different times, and he's
Speaker 1: talked about the pass rush ability of Marcel Darius and
Speaker 1: he wants to see more. A couple of years ago
Speaker 1: and we watched Marcel Darius with the Buffalo Bills. Uh man.
Speaker 1: He was tough. He was he was a dominant pass
Speaker 1: rusher himself. And I want to see more of what
Speaker 1: Doug is asking for from the pass rusher standpoint, to
Speaker 1: see him finish his pass rush. A lot of times
Speaker 1: Marcel as a tendency to kind of quit on his
Speaker 1: pass rush. He's got the ability to finish, and I
Speaker 1: want to see him finish because if he finishes with
Speaker 1: power and he gets a good get off j P.
Speaker 1: At Alabama, he was a big strong man. At at Buffalo.
Speaker 1: It was the same thing he looks like a man
Speaker 1: among boys when he gets it cranked. He seems is
Speaker 1: he slimmer than he was last year. It seems like
Speaker 1: he's trimmed a little bit, a little big guy, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, he looks good, but I mean
Speaker 1: he looks like he's in shape. He looks like he's
Speaker 1: ready to go. The Watching him in practice his stuff
Speaker 1: against the run, he's still just so strong. I mean
Speaker 1: he's I mean, he could have a double team and
Speaker 1: it's and it's like he's he holds the double team off,
Speaker 1: you know, with one hand, and then he's sipping a
Speaker 1: coke and reading the newspaper with the other one. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's he's got that kind of strength. I mean, just
Speaker 1: very uncanny. I mean it's also it's also a money
Speaker 1: year for him, true. I mean, basically he's got a
Speaker 1: one year deal because they got the ten million dollar
Speaker 1: roster bonus that they'd have to pay him next year.
Speaker 1: So this is a money year for him. So I think,
Speaker 1: you know, every sack you get when you're an interior
Speaker 1: rush guy, the money goes up. So I think from
Speaker 1: that standpoint, he should be good rushing the pastor this year.
Speaker 1: You bring up a great point, because if it's a
Speaker 1: money year, when you say every sack means something, then
Speaker 1: every sack could mean a million in future earnings for
Speaker 1: Marcel Price if you think about it. And this is
Speaker 1: the guy who's already had unbelievable amount of money coming
Speaker 1: in his way in his career. Guy's the first round
Speaker 1: pick before the new cb A. That's why he drives
Speaker 1: a brink struck right, and he had the free agent deal.
Speaker 1: I mean, the guy that's he's got an unbelievable by
Speaker 1: the time, he's made seventy nine million dollars through the
Speaker 1: first uh eight seasons. Really, see, I hope he saved
Speaker 1: some money. I'm sure he did. I hope he is. Well,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. How did a pee Adrian Peterson spend
Speaker 1: all that money? Pete more soda? He gave it all.
Speaker 1: He never said no to anybody. Here's the thing. So
Speaker 1: when you asked the question, it's hard not to save
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Speaker 1: and I'm gonna tell you why. It's because you know
Speaker 1: you're gonna be challenged as a as a player. You
Speaker 1: know you're gonna go out there and the conditions. You know,
Speaker 1: after a while, the condition started off pretty good yesterday,
Speaker 1: and then you guys are out there and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, you know, here comes the heat, here comes
Speaker 1: those things that we have to play in, and you know,
Speaker 1: you look around and you know, hey, there might be
Speaker 1: a poorly throne ball. There might be, you know, just
Speaker 1: a miss over here, or there may be drops, you know,
Speaker 1: and those things that are gonna occur. Those things are
Speaker 1: going to happen and you have to learn how to
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Speaker 1: yesterday's practice. Was it the smoothest offensive day? Let's say
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Speaker 1: That was an interesting conversation with Doug today about yesterday's practice,
Speaker 1: and it seemed a little smoother offensively today, so you
Speaker 1: they learned. It seemed from that that that was the
Speaker 1: idea of yesterday's practice was brutally hot, and what Doug
Speaker 1: was talking about there was, you know, the conditions were
Speaker 1: ripe for where you can have a learning experience because
Speaker 1: it was exceptionally hot. It was difficult to focus, and
Speaker 1: it was a very long practice. I mean, heck, I
Speaker 1: got tired just watching it. But but I mean, look
Speaker 1: at that's the environment that the Jaguars are gonna play in.
Speaker 1: And that's always had kind of a a little bit
Speaker 1: of a mental test with myself with the heat, because
Speaker 1: when you were at Jacksonville Jaguar in the early days,
Speaker 1: you relished the opportunity to show an opponent that you
Speaker 1: were more mentally tough than they were when it came
Speaker 1: to the heat. It's a real thing. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: it was a real deal. I mean, we we took
Speaker 1: pride in the fact that we were mentally tougher than
Speaker 1: anybody in the heat, and I think in the early
Speaker 1: years it showed and it was one of the few
Speaker 1: things we could hang our hat on in early days, Pete,
Speaker 1: as you knew from looking at that roster that we
Speaker 1: add but uh yeah it let me let me re
Speaker 1: emphasize again because in the Jaguars practice yesterday that they
Speaker 1: had in this heat, the starters once again got a
Speaker 1: ton of reps in practice. And again this is all
Speaker 1: part of this philosophy. And that's why I don't know
Speaker 1: how much or if the starters will play in preseason
Speaker 1: Game number two, just because of the sheer number of
Speaker 1: snaps that I'm seeing them take in practice yesterday and
Speaker 1: in practice today. It is mentally tough for them, uh
Speaker 1: as in modern day standards, and good for them. So
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens on Thursday. Though. You know, it's funny.
Speaker 1: I was in Green Bay the other day and it
Speaker 1: was like and they were complaining about the heat, and
Speaker 1: I said, you guys have no idea zero, You have
Speaker 1: no idea what you're talking about when it comes to
Speaker 1: the heat. Um, because that was you know, it was hot,
Speaker 1: but not like the South, you know how the South is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a lot different, you know, And I think it
Speaker 1: begs the other question. Look, if you're the Jaguars and
Speaker 1: Doug Brons got this new philosophy that is, we're gonna
Speaker 1: rest our players in the preseason, play them sparingly, and
Speaker 1: then ready for the regular season, what's the business side
Speaker 1: of the jack pears? Think about that to where you know,
Speaker 1: you had a performance like you did last week in
Speaker 1: in Baltimore and a lot of your stars didn't play
Speaker 1: and a lot of that reason is because of that.
Speaker 1: And so if you come out again this week and
Speaker 1: you don't play starters again, what is that doing for
Speaker 1: the telephones that are sitting in the ticketing office? What
Speaker 1: is that doing for sponsorship and the opportunities that the
Speaker 1: Jaguars have available, right, I mean that that's I agree
Speaker 1: with you. I'd be really concerned about that if I
Speaker 1: were I were the team and the marketing people, because
Speaker 1: you want to see you guys want to Nobody wants
Speaker 1: to pay that money to go see nobody playing. I
Speaker 1: got just reading through the lines. I don't know this
Speaker 1: for a fact, but reading through the lines, didn't you
Speaker 1: get the impression that Folds might not play? I mean
Speaker 1: just listening to him, well, I get thinking about that vibe,
Speaker 1: I get, well, just seeing the snaps is me the
Speaker 1: impression that there's gonna be a lot of guys this
Speaker 1: week that may not play. But I mean, maybe he's
Speaker 1: got the next couple of days to rest him and
Speaker 1: get it ready for a game. But I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know, Pete, But I mean, i'm I'm I'm not
Speaker 1: just talking about the telephones in the ticketing office when
Speaker 1: it comes to preseason games. I'm talking about the ticket
Speaker 1: office number when it comes to the regular season. You know,
Speaker 1: if if this were an established franchise, that has had
Speaker 1: established winning you know, doing something as drastic or not.
Speaker 1: I wanna say drastic. Could I want to call it drastic,
Speaker 1: But doing something different in the preseason like they've done,
Speaker 1: it would be no big deal because the expectations, well,
Speaker 1: this team wins, well, this team over the last couple
Speaker 1: of years has been up and down. So but where
Speaker 1: are they at from that standpoint? You know? So? And
Speaker 1: and how are the ticket sales? I had heard they were,
Speaker 1: I don't know, interesting stuff. I mean, that's the last
Speaker 1: there was a big rush to sell tickets because they
Speaker 1: had the you know, the enthusiasm from the year before.
Speaker 1: But um, so you're right, it matter, Jeff. It matters
Speaker 1: for other games, not just the preseason, that's right, But
Speaker 1: in the on the football decision side of things, if
Speaker 1: it's a strictly football decision, that's their decision to not
Speaker 1: put guys out and get them ready for opening days. Well,
Speaker 1: and you and Pete, you know, where does that cross
Speaker 1: the line? You can't you can't have business telling the
Speaker 1: football side of things what to do, because you have
Speaker 1: to do it from the football side of things to
Speaker 1: make the best decision for your football team. And at
Speaker 1: the end of the day. The only thing that matters
Speaker 1: is when the winds start to count it give you
Speaker 1: a purchase. Example, Pete, when was the last time or
Speaker 1: the only time that the Jaguars had an undefeated preseason? Sure?
Speaker 1: Do you remember they had one? Have they even had one? No?
Speaker 1: I don't. I would say no. See that's my point.
Speaker 1: Nobody nobody cares. Nobody cares about the preseason, So is
Speaker 1: it gonna care? It doesn't matter what they do now
Speaker 1: when they went when they didn't win a game. By
Speaker 1: the way, the Jaguars we were underfeed. Well, okay, you
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Speaker 1: Speaking of speaking of Twitter, Chrisco CBS, Yes, we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about that Twitter thing. Yeah yeah, kind of crazy
Speaker 1: the video, Yeah yeah right, So what were they Why
Speaker 1: were they attacking the chair? That's a great question. So
Speaker 1: there's a video It was apparently I think, on C J.
Speaker 1: Revis's Instagram and then it was taken from the air
Speaker 1: by some fans I think, on Twitter and put on
Speaker 1: Twitter of some players dancing. It looked like in the
Speaker 1: locker room and attacking a chair and then jumping somewhere
Speaker 1: jumping on a chair, and it wasn't a good look.
Speaker 1: But but who was it supposed to be? Who the chair? Yeah,
Speaker 1: somebody said that somebody did chair. Somebody that used it
Speaker 1: on Twitter said that the chair was Kaughlin. But that's
Speaker 1: somebody's opinion, So it's not like the player put that
Speaker 1: out there. Okay, But why would you attack a chair
Speaker 1: in the locker room and dance around? I get I
Speaker 1: have no idea pete um, but it wasn't It wasn't
Speaker 1: a good look. And then in the background you see
Speaker 1: Cam Robinson standing up on like a chair or a
Speaker 1: sofa and you're going, wait a minute, anything on pup
Speaker 1: not able to practice. But he's like standing up on
Speaker 1: a couch in a in a video. Not a good look.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure that I can tell you this.
Speaker 1: If you were a teammate of mind, you kind of
Speaker 1: look at that and go, wait a minute. Now, if
Speaker 1: you can't practice, you shouldn't be standing on a chair,
Speaker 1: you know, in the locker room. I mean that that's
Speaker 1: a weird thing to happened in the locker room. Next thing,
Speaker 1: you know, they're gonna put an accent there. But but
Speaker 1: the good news, the good news from the video is
Speaker 1: I don't know if the video had anything to do
Speaker 1: with Cam Robinson practicing today, but he practiced today. So
Speaker 1: you know, somebody on the team, somebody in the coaches
Speaker 1: staff saw that and said, hey, Cam, you can do that,
Speaker 1: but you can't practice. If you were, if you were
Speaker 1: Cam's friend on the team, when you go, hey Cam, uh,
Speaker 1: you know the video and you're not practicing, Hey man,
Speaker 1: you gotta practice or you don't stand on the couch
Speaker 1: or the chair, right right. I mean, if I'm whoever
Speaker 1: put that was it, rev Us the safety put it
Speaker 1: out right? If I'm I'm a teammate on the what
Speaker 1: are you doing well? Let Pete, let me let me
Speaker 1: bring this up, because I think you bring up a
Speaker 1: great point because me and j P talked about this
Speaker 1: and that in my opinion, that should be a fineable offense.
Speaker 1: And I'm talking about from the team level. But as
Speaker 1: a player, I would want if I'm a player in
Speaker 1: the locker room, I would want C. J Rees to
Speaker 1: get fine because I don't want somebody tweeting out or
Speaker 1: instagramming out video out of the locker room. Because what
Speaker 1: happens is something's in the background of the player doesn't
Speaker 1: pay attention to it, but yet he tweets it out,
Speaker 1: he puts it on Instagram or whatever, and it puts
Speaker 1: a teammate in a bad light or or some former fashion. Uh,
Speaker 1: that teammate gets called out for something that he didn't
Speaker 1: even know was out there. I mean to me, that's
Speaker 1: dangerous because you know, locker room time well, because the
Speaker 1: players look the players always believe and as a player,
Speaker 1: I always believe this look. The locker room is our place,
Speaker 1: Okay when it's open to the media. It's open to
Speaker 1: the media, and we have to talk to Pete and
Speaker 1: we have to talk to John o'shure. I get that.
Speaker 1: But when it's not open, that's a place of comfort
Speaker 1: and privacy, not for somebody in the locker room to
Speaker 1: be putting out videos. I can tell you that. Will
Speaker 1: you make you that, Pete, we'll get back to. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: you're very strong about that. You can't you can't be
Speaker 1: putting out video from our house. If I'm a guy
Speaker 1: in that locker room, uh, class Campbell or a Nick
Speaker 1: Foles or somebody. You go to C. J. Reeves and say, look,
Speaker 1: this is our locker room, and you don't have a
Speaker 1: right to put anything out about our locker room unless
Speaker 1: you get our permission and our means all ninety guys
Speaker 1: right now and once you get to the right your season, Jeff,
Speaker 1: I thought that crossed the line. Um And if I
Speaker 1: were a player in that locker room, I would not
Speaker 1: be happy with that, right. No, absolutely not. That's something
Speaker 1: that needs to be policed in the locker room by
Speaker 1: the correct and and and then needs to be reinforced
Speaker 1: by a fine, in my opinion, fined by the team.
Speaker 1: But the players should be angry with him too. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: And if that happened when you were playing. You were
Speaker 1: a Union rep, you would have gone over to the
Speaker 1: guy and said, hey, dude, we can't have this. In
Speaker 1: a minute, yeah, in a minute. We go from this
Speaker 1: topic to UH, Jaguars running back Leonard Ford, who's had
Speaker 1: his past things around here, but so far this offseason,
Speaker 1: he's been a good citizen in Jaguar world. Seems like
Speaker 1: he's been good and the t A. So I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say a great citizen. I know you said good, right,
Speaker 1: that's probably He's done some interviews, he's done some good things.
Speaker 1: You know. It seems like, um, he's he seems to
Speaker 1: be involved on the sideline of the United He had
Speaker 1: the headset on during the game, which that was the
Speaker 1: first Jaguars game since the last game of the season
Speaker 1: last year when he's on the sideline on the bench.
Speaker 1: But pete I I made a comment during the game
Speaker 1: broadcast when it was pointed out by our sideline guy,
Speaker 1: Rick Blue that Leonard Fournette is engaged on the sideline.
Speaker 1: He's wearing a headset, he's talking to his teammates that
Speaker 1: are playing, and UH and the coach and I'm going, wow,
Speaker 1: think about the last time that we saw Leonard Fournett
Speaker 1: on the sideline and he was not dressed and sitting
Speaker 1: on the bench with a dress t J Yelden and
Speaker 1: the body language said, I could care less about being here,
Speaker 1: I could care less about my football team and let's
Speaker 1: just go home. So I mean, boy, I mean, you
Speaker 1: talk about two completely different looks for Leonard Fournette. So
Speaker 1: but what we saw in Baltimore, I mean you got
Speaker 1: to look at it as a positive, correct, I mean
Speaker 1: the other way you could look absolutely, I think this
Speaker 1: is a great stuff. You know, you too, and and
Speaker 1: and I think aside, I'm with you, Jeff. He should
Speaker 1: have been there for all the O T S. But
Speaker 1: you know, you don't know what's going on in the
Speaker 1: guy's personal life. Some stuff might happen flag, you know,
Speaker 1: but so maybe miss a couple. But he should have
Speaker 1: been there after everything he went through last year and
Speaker 1: they had to talk with him, he probably should have
Speaker 1: been there. But I think everything he's shown so far
Speaker 1: this summer is good in the right direction, but good.
Speaker 1: And maybe he needed the time off from the O
Speaker 1: T A S to get rid of the bad people,
Speaker 1: which he talked about in an article that was just
Speaker 1: put out about how he got rid of the bad
Speaker 1: people in his life and everything that I've seen out
Speaker 1: of him so far in training camp Pete as far
Speaker 1: as availability, um uh, effort during practice, effort. When I'm
Speaker 1: when I say effort during practice, I'm talking when the
Speaker 1: whistle blows and then when the whistle blows again, or
Speaker 1: some when the ball snapped and whistle blows. He's been
Speaker 1: during a outstanding I mean, there certain times I'd like
Speaker 1: to see him run back to the huddle and all
Speaker 1: those kind of things. But look, I think in his
Speaker 1: catching ability he's been. He's has been really good in
Speaker 1: camp so far. And he is a guy that I
Speaker 1: would not want to see play in the preseason whatsoever.
Speaker 1: Because I'm seeing the other running backs Pete and I
Speaker 1: don't see anything close to Leonard four Nette right now. No,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't play him at all in the preseason none,
Speaker 1: you know, And if I have a lead runner, I'm
Speaker 1: not playing him in the preseason no matter where you are.
Speaker 1: I'm just not. I don't. I don't think it's worth it. Um,
Speaker 1: he doesn't need that. I wouldn't play him at all,
Speaker 1: and just find out what you have behind them. That's
Speaker 1: what you use a preseason for. Figure out if any
Speaker 1: of those guys can be the number two back. Look
Speaker 1: the rookie ran hard a couple of times the other day.
Speaker 1: You look, he did some nice things. Quil Armstead, Yes, yes, yeah.
Speaker 1: He ended up in the concussion protocol pete And during
Speaker 1: the game watching the film, he took a shot. He literally,
Speaker 1: I mean very very physical style of running by the way,
Speaker 1: which was impressive. And he's going through the line of
Speaker 1: scrimmage and this is the last play that I saw
Speaker 1: that he had on film, and he gets kind of
Speaker 1: wrapped up from the side behind and then here comes
Speaker 1: the safety and I want to say his number was
Speaker 1: twenty three, and he was the guy that was um
Speaker 1: a little a little bit of a uh jerk in
Speaker 1: practice because he was hitting guys when they didn't really
Speaker 1: need to be hit. Well, it's game time, so you
Speaker 1: can hit. Okay, it's okay. Twenty three comes in and
Speaker 1: the crown of his helmet hits Roquil Armstead literally right
Speaker 1: in the chin, and you could but there was nowhere
Speaker 1: for Armstead's body to go because he had a defender
Speaker 1: draped on his back, and so you just saw the
Speaker 1: whole head to shake and you went that was a
Speaker 1: knockout punch right there. And and I didn't see what
Speaker 1: happened after that because it's film and then the play ends.
Speaker 1: When the play is over, you don't get to see
Speaker 1: him walk off the field or anything. And I didn't
Speaker 1: notice it during the game. So but he took a shot, now,
Speaker 1: he took it. He took a really good shot. Who
Speaker 1: you said it was from Tony Jefferson did, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that's who it was. It was three three oh,
Speaker 1: But he stroked him. Now, I mean, if you're if
Speaker 1: you're a teammate of Tony Jefferson, you're high five and
Speaker 1: him when he's coming off field and that one. Now, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a good player. Yeah, he's a good player. He's
Speaker 1: he's uh he likes to talk a lot. Yeah, yeah, chippy.
Speaker 1: So you mentioned the rest of the running backs here,
Speaker 1: Alfred Blue, Thomas Rawls is back in the practice field,
Speaker 1: DeVante Mays is out there, secondary player from Utah State.
Speaker 1: What do you like about those guys? You said they
Speaker 1: don't they don't stand up to standard. Look, look, Armstead,
Speaker 1: I like him because he's got a physical style of
Speaker 1: running the football and uh, he's very efficient with his feet.
Speaker 1: He gets north and South. I don't like his catching
Speaker 1: ability now in camp so far, he when he's been
Speaker 1: out there, and obviously he's not practicing right now, but
Speaker 1: when he's been out there, he's shown the ability to
Speaker 1: catch the ball. But he's had like two drops was all,
Speaker 1: which is kind of surprising because when you turned on
Speaker 1: his college tape it wasn't very good. I'm I'm talking
Speaker 1: about just his catching ability, So I hope that this
Speaker 1: is something that he can just get better at and
Speaker 1: improve that. But I mean, once you get past him,
Speaker 1: Alfred Blue is kind of a kind of a I
Speaker 1: don't want to say slow, but he's kind of a
Speaker 1: long strider. So he kind of gives you the gives you.
Speaker 1: He gives you the impression that he's slow, but he's not.
Speaker 1: He's a glider, he's not. He's not sudden, but he's
Speaker 1: a big body. I think he's an okay backup and
Speaker 1: he's a guy that you can trust because he's put
Speaker 1: some time in with Houston Texans. But besides those three guys,
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, I mean Thomas Rawls got a pep
Speaker 1: and his step a great special teams effort guy. Uh
Speaker 1: coming back from what appeared to be an injured hamstring.
Speaker 1: I remember watching him when he when he appeared to
Speaker 1: pull his hamstring. So far he's looked good since he's
Speaker 1: been back. Um. But but I mean, okay, I mean
Speaker 1: they might they might address that position after the cuts. Maybe, yeah,
Speaker 1: they might, they might address that when you look at
Speaker 1: the cuts that are coming. You know, some of these
Speaker 1: teams have these young backs that they found, and you
Speaker 1: might find the guy off the cuts that it could
Speaker 1: end up being on that roster. You could. I think
Speaker 1: you're you're not gonna be. I think you're gonna be
Speaker 1: like a three running back roster. I don't see them
Speaker 1: keeping more than three. Well, you would keep were you
Speaker 1: figure gonna keep Fornet in Armstead for sure, So for
Speaker 1: net Armstead Alfred Blue, that's my expectation. But if you
Speaker 1: found somebody other than Blue, you might get rid of
Speaker 1: Blue and bring that guy in well. And and if
Speaker 1: if you keep another guy, it's got to be somebody
Speaker 1: that's gonna be really good on special teams. And right now,
Speaker 1: the guy that seems to be the committed the most
Speaker 1: of special teams is Thomas Rawls. I mean he gets it.
Speaker 1: I mean usually the guys that are in the league
Speaker 1: for a little while that are bubble type positional players.
Speaker 1: They figured it out. Rowls is in his fourth year,
Speaker 1: he's been through this, He's figured it out. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: I mean, here's the reality. All these guys come from
Speaker 1: college and we're stars wherever they were at right to
Speaker 1: I mean, to some extent made different levels of stars obviously,
Speaker 1: But when you come into the National Football League, if
Speaker 1: you're not the first or the second team on the
Speaker 1: depth chart, guess what your Your status on the rosters
Speaker 1: determined by whether or not you can play special teams.
Speaker 1: So you get to the third or fourth running back JP,
Speaker 1: can you play special teams? That's the first question. As
Speaker 1: a safety, the third safety has got to be a
Speaker 1: quality starter if he has to take over for injury.
Speaker 1: But the fourth and and maybe fifth safety, if you
Speaker 1: keep five, guess what can you play special teams? Receivers
Speaker 1: the same thing. Are you gonna keep five and six? Well,
Speaker 1: five and six better be able to play special teams?
Speaker 1: And I think that's one of the things that is
Speaker 1: could passably end up hurting. Uh. The guy that I
Speaker 1: was so excited about, Pete Tyree Brady, because in the ballgame,
Speaker 1: Tyree Brady didn't show a willingness to play special team.
Speaker 1: But this is number nineteen, the wide receiver. Yes, rookie
Speaker 1: from Marshall. But Tray McBride ready to go on special
Speaker 1: teams now, fourth year player from William and Mary. Well, Yes,
Speaker 1: when you watched him on special teams, Tray McBride was
Speaker 1: ready to go now on special team. So you talk about,
Speaker 1: you know, the excitement of where you put guys kind
Speaker 1: of in the pecking order, at least how I do
Speaker 1: in my mind, Well that changes once you get to
Speaker 1: see live special teams and guys start. Now you gotta
Speaker 1: re rank them in trade. Mc bride right now has
Speaker 1: has gone up a couple of notches. Pete ready to
Speaker 1: cut the team tonight. I think Logs is ready. I'm
Speaker 1: always ready to cut the team. You know funny because
Speaker 1: I stand at practices JP for every team and I
Speaker 1: watch these guys. There are twenty of them right now
Speaker 1: who know they're not making the team. They know they
Speaker 1: have no shot now they don't No, they don't know. No,
Speaker 1: they don't know, Pete, they really don't. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: a couple of guys that know that they're not making
Speaker 1: this team, but the majority of the guys that are
Speaker 1: here that are not going to make the team think
Speaker 1: that they should make a team. Because if you didn't
Speaker 1: have that belief, would you be here. But you know
Speaker 1: you're there, and once you get there, you realize you
Speaker 1: don't belong there, that that's a boy. You're assuming that
Speaker 1: there's a lot of ability to self evaluate there. Come on, pete, pete,
Speaker 1: come on, three years old, twenty four years old? Were
Speaker 1: you realistic about what you were? No? But if I
Speaker 1: looked around, you're not realistic about what you are right now. Huh,
Speaker 1: you're not realistic about what you are right now? No.
Speaker 1: I mean I'm stubborn, but I know I would have
Speaker 1: admitted it. No, hell no, let's come back. We'll get
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Speaker 1: of the program j P Shatdrick Jeff Lagoman in Jacksonville,
Speaker 1: Pete Frisco down in South Florida, the Jags Eagles game
Speaker 1: coming up Thursday, presented by pet Paradise. Before you go
Speaker 1: any further, we have to say a very special happy
Speaker 1: birthday to Joe Fortunado, our manager of radio. How old
Speaker 1: are you Joe today? Eighty years old. It's a miracle,
Speaker 1: sixty one and he wears it well, sexy as ever. Wow. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's a little far, but that's okay whatever. He's my
Speaker 1: guy man, because our guy man. He's a great he's
Speaker 1: he's a great guy, one of my boys. Man. How
Speaker 1: many years we've been working together, Joe? Long time? Long time?
Speaker 1: We hope we worked together for quite a bit more time.
Speaker 1: A long time, that's right. So to Portonado, we make
Speaker 1: it cut. Sixty one years young today and he's responsible
Speaker 1: for all the sounds that you hear. Everything that you
Speaker 1: hear is uh, it's through something he's pushed or pulled
Speaker 1: up on the board or whatever it is. That's that's
Speaker 1: Joe fortune man. He makes it happy. That is right,
Speaker 1: So happy birthday. He makes he makes me look good.
Speaker 1: And all the the recorded stuff sound good, not look good.
Speaker 1: Well it's radio. Same thing, no, sound literally not the
Speaker 1: same thing. It is different. And the reason I say
Speaker 1: that is he is a masterful editor. Sound. I need
Speaker 1: editing every once in a while. I'm not like you,
Speaker 1: j P. I'm not like I'm not gonna take take
Speaker 1: pony from it from Pete knows all about that. Yez,
Speaker 1: you can. He can make you look good on radio.
Speaker 1: Sound good at radio? Is not making look good on TV?
Speaker 1: Thos high definition, Pete, What are you trying to say,
Speaker 1: Pete got a face for radio? Is that I'll take it. Hey, look,
Speaker 1: I'm still on TV right yeah, right now, and you're
Speaker 1: on the best part TV. Now. Is that JP does
Speaker 1: all my my pre television makeup. No, that is not accurate,
Speaker 1: because JP is so talented at makeup. Jack. I sit
Speaker 1: down in front of JP and he does my makeup
Speaker 1: for TV. That's inaccurate. But I do need a lot myself.
Speaker 1: I mean, now you do a great job with you
Speaker 1: need to fix that gray here and your beard for
Speaker 1: a fact, So happy birthday, Joe. That started our conversation here,
Speaker 1: Sie you believe that. No, Hey, Joe looks good for
Speaker 1: sixty one. I'm gonna give a lot of credit for that.
Speaker 1: Now he's like lost some weight lately. You know he's
Speaker 1: I like it. Yeah, you're gonna have about thirty more
Speaker 1: years because you know how it's Italian guys. We left forever. Hey,
Speaker 1: let's let's move to the quarterback room. We've heard from
Speaker 1: Nick Foles earlier in the program here, and you get
Speaker 1: the feeling that he might not play Thursday night. Um,
Speaker 1: the other night it was Gardnerman shoe through for what
Speaker 1: forty three yards in the game, Tanner Lee the first
Speaker 1: drive was sacked twice and then threw a pick six
Speaker 1: and Alex Magoo came in. It wasn't so good, wasn't
Speaker 1: as good. It wasn't great either. He threw an interception
Speaker 1: as well. Um, they're gonna get reps obviously, Pete, you
Speaker 1: know where is this? I mean, men, she was their guy.
Speaker 1: I think right now as a backup, it feels like well,
Speaker 1: I mean, he can't evaluate him off of that thing
Speaker 1: the other night. I mean, my gosh, they played he
Speaker 1: played the first team defense. He had a bad offensive
Speaker 1: line in front of him, but his arm didn't look
Speaker 1: very good the other night. Now, you know from watching
Speaker 1: him in practice when I was there and then hearing
Speaker 1: things about him that was, Yeah, he doesn't have a
Speaker 1: great art, but that was worse than normal I thought,
Speaker 1: and and so that's a concern. But it's too hard
Speaker 1: to evaluate him based on what we saw last last Thursday.
Speaker 1: No way. Well, and he's a rookie. It's the first
Speaker 1: action that he's ever had in a preseason game. So
Speaker 1: I mean, look, you evaluate where the Broncos were at
Speaker 1: with Drew lock and his first preseason game, and it
Speaker 1: came away how that game totally under impressed and so um,
Speaker 1: look at you give Minshew a pass. That's the first
Speaker 1: game ever. But you also evaluate certain things within that performance.
Speaker 1: You don't evaluate the overall and come to a final conclusion.
Speaker 1: Some of the things you evaluate. He got hit in
Speaker 1: the mouth after he dropped the ball and then picked
Speaker 1: it up and got stroked, I mean stroked. He comes
Speaker 1: back a couple of plays later, he's got a unblocked
Speaker 1: defender bearing down on him. He stands in there and
Speaker 1: he delivers a nice throw. Positive. That's a positive thing.
Speaker 1: That's nice to see. Okay, So he's got a little
Speaker 1: toughness about him. You like that. The other thing you
Speaker 1: evaluate a couple out routes didn't seem to have the
Speaker 1: arm strength. Now is that arm strength or is that footwork? Well,
Speaker 1: we go back and you watch the film. You could
Speaker 1: have seen that maybe the footwork could have been a
Speaker 1: little bit better, a little bit cleaner. So is it
Speaker 1: arm or is it feet? I don't know the answer
Speaker 1: that that for sure, But if it continues to show,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter whether it's the armor the feet, because
Speaker 1: the end result is not good enough. So I want
Speaker 1: to see more out of him. I do know this,
Speaker 1: And I think feet were a problem. And and so
Speaker 1: when you get a little jumpy and you get pressured
Speaker 1: up the middle and you get hit a bunch your
Speaker 1: feet kind of you got bad habits. And I think
Speaker 1: that's what it was. That's why I think it's so
Speaker 1: hard to evaluate him. Doesn't mean he's always going to
Speaker 1: do that, but you mentioned it jet first start line.
Speaker 1: The whole deal. Sometimes those habits get away from you.
Speaker 1: So I want to see how he does kind of
Speaker 1: going forward, and I play him more this week with
Speaker 1: the with the guys, the good players who do play,
Speaker 1: that's what I would do. Well, you did that last week,
Speaker 1: you continue to do it again. So if but who
Speaker 1: played nobody played well, I mean, if Doug Maron chooses
Speaker 1: to go the same route this week, then you're gonna
Speaker 1: have a second team offense against a number one Philadelphia
Speaker 1: Eagles defense, which, by the way, Jim Schwartz likes to
Speaker 1: bring a lot of pressure. Hello, Hello, So it's gonna
Speaker 1: be ah, that will be a challenge for the backups
Speaker 1: of the Jaguars and Garniment she's gotta be able to
Speaker 1: handle it. And you hope that you have a little
Speaker 1: bit more health going into the game because you had
Speaker 1: what was that eighteen guys that were scratched. There's eighteen
Speaker 1: or sixteen. It's eighteen because the decision and then it
Speaker 1: was like fourteen others due to but enough changing because
Speaker 1: play and there were sixteen and fourteen. Okay, so let's
Speaker 1: say you still have sixteen on coaches decision ballpark. Well,
Speaker 1: you hope that that fourteen number drops a little bit,
Speaker 1: but right now the way it's looking with with some
Speaker 1: of the players that are out of practice, Uh, it's
Speaker 1: not it's gonna be significant, but I don't know if
Speaker 1: it'll be fourteen, but it's still gonna be pretty good.
Speaker 1: What do you think of his arm, Jeff? Al Right?
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, Pete, I mean the end
Speaker 1: result was that the arm the ball didn't get there
Speaker 1: fast enough or on target enough or with enough velocity velocity,
Speaker 1: So is that are like I said, is that armor?
Speaker 1: Is that feat Well, I have a tendency to think
Speaker 1: that it was arm strength. But if a player has
Speaker 1: good for work and an anticipation, he can be a
Speaker 1: very good quarterback in the National Football League if they
Speaker 1: have the mind to anticipate the thrones and the positive
Speaker 1: thing that I'm hearing and I talked talked to a
Speaker 1: couple of personnel guys while we were in Baltimore. Pete,
Speaker 1: he is Gardner Minshew, the highest scoring quarterback that they've
Speaker 1: ever seen on the intelligence tests that they give it
Speaker 1: the combine. That's a good song. Yeah, I mean he's
Speaker 1: he's a smart kid. If you watch him play at
Speaker 1: Washington State, I mean he knew where to go with
Speaker 1: the football all the time he's and it's not like
Speaker 1: it's not like he was dinking and duncan now. I mean,
Speaker 1: he threw for more yards at the FBS level per
Speaker 1: game than anybody in the nation last year, and that
Speaker 1: offense is complicated at times. Give him, give him time,
Speaker 1: and let's give him another chance. And you know, he's
Speaker 1: a young player, you know he's could that have been
Speaker 1: a little camp fatigue too, I mean, two weeks into camp,
Speaker 1: every day you're throwing a bunch, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: it could have been a lot of things. Could have
Speaker 1: been first game jitters, could have been you know, you
Speaker 1: name it. You know. So, like I said, it's one game.
Speaker 1: Let's let's not overreact and come to final conclusions on
Speaker 1: anything about this team or individual players until we see more.
Speaker 1: And and it's always unfair to the quarterback in that situation.
Speaker 1: It's hard, you can't really cannot evaluate him. But Jeff,
Speaker 1: they didn't get the midfeet. They got the midfield once. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they got to the forty nine of the Ravens one
Speaker 1: play and then got moved back to the fifty the
Speaker 1: next That's correct. That's as deep as they got. The
Speaker 1: punter had I think like three hundred and sixty yards
Speaker 1: punting Pete. The offense had a hundred and twelve yards
Speaker 1: of total offense net, and I think they had a
Speaker 1: hundred nine yards and penalties. You gotta figure they're gonna
Speaker 1: have at least one accident play where you get at
Speaker 1: least their territory didn't happen. That was that was a
Speaker 1: tough night. Pete didn't happen. Let's come back. We'll get
Speaker 1: some Twitter questions. They're rolling in on the Twitter tonight.
Speaker 1: All right, that's not how you say it, but I
Speaker 1: just said it right way, rolling in on Twitter. Um,
Speaker 1: I said the Twitter rolling in on Twitter, I think
Speaker 1: is active. Yeah, I was trying to help you out.
Speaker 1: Thanks man, appreciate that. We'll get to those coming up.
Speaker 1: We'll go around the league as well, including a Dallas
Speaker 1: quarterback that wants more money Arena. We're gonna go to
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Speaker 1: He's not here. Pete Presco is here though he's down
Speaker 1: in South Florida. Glad you're with us tonight. We've gone
Speaker 1: through the show and you've messed that up. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: come on, JP, I'm right here beside your brother. I'm
Speaker 1: glad you are. Thank you. I don't look like no,
Speaker 1: thank God, I appreciate that. Let's get to your Twitter
Speaker 1: questions tonight. Um, we're doing a different way this year.
Speaker 1: Used to be the Tony Basselli Twitter questions, but you know,
Speaker 1: we're just changing it just because because we can open
Speaker 1: it up to everybody. So you're gonna make it the
Speaker 1: Pete Twitter questions. Yeah, the Pete Prisco Twitter questions tonight.
Speaker 1: I don't like Tony even happier. There's a couple that
Speaker 1: are just to you tonight logs, but that's okay. Here's
Speaker 1: the first one from do Good. Not many bright spots
Speaker 1: in the first preseason game. Thanks do Good. But who
Speaker 1: do you think shined the most for the Jacksonville Jaguars. Pete,
Speaker 1: you want to start us on this one? Uh No,
Speaker 1: it's not tough. C J. Revis. He he had a
Speaker 1: really nice yes, but Pete, he took a step back
Speaker 1: when he released a video from locker room. You know,
Speaker 1: so you gained all this traction and in our eyes
Speaker 1: and then you do something like that, so it dropped back.
Speaker 1: I'll give him that, yes revis I think he played
Speaker 1: well enough Pete to say that, you know, you've got
Speaker 1: two young starting safeties. Did he do enough to get
Speaker 1: in a conversation for maybe vying for a starting job
Speaker 1: starting like over those two I'm just saying, is that
Speaker 1: Dug Moron made the point that he talked about because
Speaker 1: he was asked the question about if you're not playing guys,
Speaker 1: how do you determine who's gonna start? And he made
Speaker 1: a comment that if somebody is playing and they play
Speaker 1: well enough to catch your eye, then you have to
Speaker 1: open up the conversation again about who the starter should be.
Speaker 1: Because his was a name that was mentioned to me
Speaker 1: very early in the process as a kid that they
Speaker 1: thought had a chance to push. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: going to push for a starting job now, but if
Speaker 1: somebody struggles there midway through the season, you might be
Speaker 1: looking at him as a guy. Anyway, it was nice
Speaker 1: to see him play well and it also gives them
Speaker 1: some some good depth. You hope that trend continues with
Speaker 1: his level of play, And I will say that after
Speaker 1: watching him in training camp, I don't know if anybody
Speaker 1: works harder than he does in special special teams drills.
Speaker 1: He is committed and he gets it. He understands that
Speaker 1: special teams are important to him. Well, okay, but if
Speaker 1: you had to make a change in one of those safeties,
Speaker 1: isn't gonna be Harrison. Well let's see how they play Pete.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I mean, Harson's draft pick. And if
Speaker 1: you if I'm gonna do what I do to Tony,
Speaker 1: to you, Jeff, put you on the spot. You're suggesting
Speaker 1: that he's pushing for time. He's got to be pushing Wilson. Okay,
Speaker 1: I think you could push either guy. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: neither one of these guys has shown that there Ed Reid.
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, I mean one of them gets
Speaker 1: more respect. Ronny Harrison gets more respect because he's a
Speaker 1: draft pick. Jared Wilson it probably doesn't get hardly any
Speaker 1: respect because he was an undrafted free agent rookie. But look,
Speaker 1: he's a good football player, I mean good enough to
Speaker 1: let too. Seawan Gibson go alright, good enough to let
Speaker 1: problem to a young safety nipping. Look, I just say this,
Speaker 1: Neither one of the safeties have have done it for
Speaker 1: a season to where they've shown that they are a
Speaker 1: stud safety. So if you have a young guy that's
Speaker 1: showing himself that he's a good football player, looking, and
Speaker 1: what's wrong with having a little a little pressure put
Speaker 1: on guys that are expected starters by the head coach
Speaker 1: saying you know that's c J. Reevers. You know he's
Speaker 1: playing pretty well. Now, maybe he's one of those guys
Speaker 1: that I talked about before that could be pushing first
Speaker 1: starting job. What do the other two guys goat, Uh,
Speaker 1: he's a special team or twenty two to Cody Davis
Speaker 1: veteran players seventh year, that's your special And that goes
Speaker 1: to show you that that is a is a decision
Speaker 1: made purely based on special teams. Well, he was signed
Speaker 1: here based on specialty, absolutely, But I mean there's positions
Speaker 1: that are that are like that more than just at safety.
Speaker 1: The fourth safety spot is going to be a special
Speaker 1: teams consideration. The five and six linebacking positions. If there
Speaker 1: is a six, if you've got enough quality depth there
Speaker 1: are going to be special teams determined positions. McCray a.
Speaker 1: A third team rush end is gonna be a special
Speaker 1: team's decision. Tight end. When you get to the third
Speaker 1: tight end and the fourth tight end, special team's decisions.
Speaker 1: You know, there's about five, we were six spots on
Speaker 1: your roster that when you start to say, oh, who
Speaker 1: are we going to keep at safety, cornerback, tight end, linebacker.
Speaker 1: Uh am I missing any positions, fullback maybe if you
Speaker 1: have a fullback, but all those positions right there, there's
Speaker 1: decisions at at those at those positions in backup roles
Speaker 1: that are special teams determined. First. That's it. So maybe
Speaker 1: five or six positions three man roster, our positional players,
Speaker 1: but special teams quality level of play is what determines
Speaker 1: who's going to get those six spots. Well, well, I
Speaker 1: mean like the corners, we can almost decide who they
Speaker 1: are right now. So the fifth cour if you have
Speaker 1: a fifth corner, that guy's got to be a key
Speaker 1: special teams player. Oh absolutely, you're you're so who would
Speaker 1: that be, right? Because I would think the at five
Speaker 1: the fifth corner position, yeah, well you got Jalen Ramsey
Speaker 1: a J boy A Trey Herndon, d J Hey, and
Speaker 1: there's your top four, right, So who's five? All right? Now? Uh? Interesting?
Speaker 1: Quentin Meeks has been okay, not as exciting as he
Speaker 1: was last year. He's in the conversation with Brian Borders.
Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody has better stats than Brian
Speaker 1: Borders in camp so far as far as camp and
Speaker 1: touching the ball and interception. So but they're there again
Speaker 1: that we're we're talking about defensive numbers. You have to
Speaker 1: evaluate that spot from special teams. So is Brian Borders
Speaker 1: or quint Meeks shown better on special teams? Good question, Well,
Speaker 1: that that's how you answer. That's the answer to who
Speaker 1: is going to be that next corner to make the roster?
Speaker 1: There you go. Let's move on to our next question
Speaker 1: from at Joey Jaguar eight. Is Cam practicing today just
Speaker 1: to settle the injury panic that was starting to set in.
Speaker 1: Doug was depressing everyone this weekend. But now they're saying
Speaker 1: Cam and Oliver maybe back by week one. Seems too
Speaker 1: good to be a coincidence. All I know is that
Speaker 1: I got depressed Saturday after hearing dog I did I
Speaker 1: mean right? It was kind of like he was as
Speaker 1: down about that as anything I've ever heard and talk
Speaker 1: about the young day. Yeah, it was two things. One,
Speaker 1: if you heard the tone, it was kind of depressing.
Speaker 1: And when you when you get that after you watched
Speaker 1: the game Thursday and then you hear that, you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: oh no, right right this week two of the preseason.
Speaker 1: Oh boy. But even if you read the script and
Speaker 1: ignored the the tone, you went the transcript, Yeah, absolutely right.
Speaker 1: But they did have some news to I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: just glad that Doug bounced back. Yes, thank you for
Speaker 1: the rebound today. So Cam's back out there. Josh Oliver
Speaker 1: had a little something on the side today the tight end.
Speaker 1: That's good news. Hopeful. They're hoping he'll be back week
Speaker 1: one now. Doug Maron said that today Williams Williams won't
Speaker 1: be back for a week. When was it when he's
Speaker 1: supposed to be back, Quincy Williams are hoping a week
Speaker 1: one for him as well. Can he this is some moment,
Speaker 1: asked Jeff, Jeff, Can he go the entire preseason without
Speaker 1: playing and walk on the field and be a starter
Speaker 1: in week one? Williams you're talking about can he? Yes?
Speaker 1: He can? If he yeah, I think he will, But
Speaker 1: but I don't. I don't think that that he's going
Speaker 1: to start back to practice week one and then play
Speaker 1: in the game, be ready to rock. I think he'll
Speaker 1: have maybe two weeks of practice to get ready. I hope,
Speaker 1: I hope. Anyway, you know where he's working week one.
Speaker 1: He's not starting then, No, I mean he could. I
Speaker 1: mean he could, he could come back and start week one,
Speaker 1: but I would think that you would like to have
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks with a rookie. So how who
Speaker 1: starts there then in week one? In your mind? Um
Speaker 1: h nause good, yeah, yeah, he's he's athletic now, he is.
Speaker 1: He is very good on open Miles Jack at the
Speaker 1: mic Good at the will, and then Leon Jacobs at
Speaker 1: the strong side, Sam So and then at some point
Speaker 1: does Jake Ryan get back and then obviously the other
Speaker 1: day by the way, Quincy Williams gets back. I mean,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean it's a nagy good by the way,
Speaker 1: pete Um, I'm watching him out there on the practice
Speaker 1: field and I'm going, Okay, this guy's in his eighth year.
Speaker 1: He's bouncing around, right, how many different teams has he
Speaker 1: been on? Because it has only been the Colts or
Speaker 1: has he been on other teams? I'm trying to trying
Speaker 1: to remember. But anyway, here's a guy that was not
Speaker 1: a priority free agent I'll use that term. And he's
Speaker 1: kind of one of those guys that you could have
Speaker 1: anybody could have gotten off of the I don't want
Speaker 1: to say scrappy, but out there in the market. He
Speaker 1: was a Bucks draft picks Colts, all right, So he's
Speaker 1: been around the block. When you watch him in practice
Speaker 1: and you watch how he moves, I mean he's he
Speaker 1: got great movement skills, he's athletic. You go to yourself,
Speaker 1: why was has he so? Why has he been so
Speaker 1: well traveled? Because I mean he looks like he's a
Speaker 1: good football player. Now, I mean good football player, athletics, strong, fast, right,
Speaker 1: I mean that once you look for in the linebacker,
Speaker 1: I think he's a nice little fine I mean, and
Speaker 1: if you can hold down to fort for however long
Speaker 1: it's needed, that's positive. Let's get one more question, and
Speaker 1: that came in a little late as the show started
Speaker 1: today from at I K triad. I guess is how
Speaker 1: you say that are there any position groups that are
Speaker 1: looking way better or way worse than you expected before
Speaker 1: camp started. Also, it's a second question. This is there's
Speaker 1: a two question question. Okay, Also to how about a
Speaker 1: two part question? Part question to this one question? Uh,
Speaker 1: do you have you found any hidden gyms among the
Speaker 1: undrafted free agent rookie class? All, it's the second part
Speaker 1: first the hidden gems that I identified a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks in Jeff's if you will whatever on on Happy
Speaker 1: Hour on Jaguars Thursday, Happy Our on Thursday. Okay, it's
Speaker 1: happy Hour on Thursday. I just want to make sure
Speaker 1: I got that right. Thursday's happy, Thursday's happier. That's the
Speaker 1: way to do it. Thank you, give me some knucks.
Speaker 1: There we go. Uh. Was Charles Jones the tight end,
Speaker 1: the undrafted guy from Tulane and then the wide receiver
Speaker 1: Tyree Brady And those are my two guys. Now. I
Speaker 1: still feel really good about Charles Jones, even though he's
Speaker 1: not practicing, because for a young drundrafted player, for the
Speaker 1: team to continue to have confidence in you and continue
Speaker 1: to gain more confidence in you, you need to be
Speaker 1: what's the word, JP, We've heard it a million times. Availability.
Speaker 1: You need to be available. Well, right now, he's not
Speaker 1: but I still believe he's pretty good. He had a
Speaker 1: good game. He was a little bit overwhelmed at the
Speaker 1: beginning part of the game against some of the defensive
Speaker 1: ends of the Ravens, got overpowered a little bit, but
Speaker 1: then he settled down and did a really good job,
Speaker 1: finished some really nice blocks. In fact, almost drew a
Speaker 1: personal foul from who pushed him after a play because
Speaker 1: now Charles was blocking him down the field. Tyree Brady,
Speaker 1: on the other hand, Pete, I had identified him because
Speaker 1: there were times in practice that I confused Brady with
Speaker 1: Chris Conley. I was like, man, that was a nice
Speaker 1: catch by Conley, and I look and I go, no,
Speaker 1: that's the that's a nine. It's a one nine, not
Speaker 1: a one eight. Similar build. Yeah, I think that's the
Speaker 1: same size, guys, And uh so, I mean he looked
Speaker 1: it did some things. But then in the game, and
Speaker 1: here's the thing that doesn't help in your evaluation process
Speaker 1: for any wide receiver, and that's the performance of the
Speaker 1: offensive line and the quarterback play in the ball game,
Speaker 1: which wasn't great. But Tyree Brady on special teams, That's
Speaker 1: where I'm looking at right because we're talking about one
Speaker 1: of those wide receivers that if he's gonna find a
Speaker 1: way to make the team, he's got to do it
Speaker 1: on special teams. I was underimpressed with his level of
Speaker 1: play on special teams. But how about a position group
Speaker 1: either better or worse than you expected before camp. I
Speaker 1: think all of them out what I expected. I think
Speaker 1: that I think the receivers are better than I expected.
Speaker 1: Oh you don't agree, Lugs, Well, I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: want say I disagree. I think I think I gotta
Speaker 1: see more evidence to feel that way. I think for
Speaker 1: a big year, I think Shark is taking some steps
Speaker 1: forward now. He ustill got to do it when it counts,
Speaker 1: And I think Connolly has been a nice addition. Some
Speaker 1: drops every now and again, though, that's one thing better
Speaker 1: than what the perception is up. And they're connecting on
Speaker 1: some deep balls. They had another couple ones today that
Speaker 1: JP great. You bring up a great point, pete Uh.
Speaker 1: Because the deep balls that they are connecting on not
Speaker 1: only in their own practice with against each other, and
Speaker 1: also in the Ravens practices. There were many deep balls.
Speaker 1: Now if you look at the Jaguars Wide Receiving Corps
Speaker 1: d J. Chark, legitimate deep threat, uh, Chris Conley legitimate
Speaker 1: deep threat, Keeling Cole legitimate deep threatn D. D. Westbrook.
Speaker 1: I would say he's a deep threat. But out of
Speaker 1: those four guys, three of them are legitimate guys that
Speaker 1: can go over the top and win. And Jimmy Smith
Speaker 1: of the Ravens the cornerback, Okay, learned that pretty quickly
Speaker 1: multiple times. And the Jaguars practice with the Ravens so
Speaker 1: good a good corners and good corners, car car and
Speaker 1: Jimmy Smith. So that that's something that I think that
Speaker 1: the Jaguars fans if that's the one trait that I
Speaker 1: think is a little bit different out of what we've
Speaker 1: seen in the past with the Jaguars offense. They are
Speaker 1: more than willing to throw the ball deep with offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator John D. Felippo, let's come back. We'll go around
Speaker 1: the National Football League. We'll hit the situation in Dallas,
Speaker 1: Pete that apparently is kind of not really breaking. There's
Speaker 1: nothing happening over the last hour or so, thirty million dollars,
Speaker 1: The kids are bogly, Dirndl was he crazy? Dak Prescott,
Speaker 1: We'll get to that. Antonio Brown, all that's coming up.
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Speaker 1: Final moments of Jaguars Happy Hour j P. Shadrick, Jeff
Speaker 1: Logaman and Pete Prisco. You got all right? Joe Fortunato's
Speaker 1: birthday a manager of radio is sixty one years of
Speaker 1: it and he got birthday cookies. Yeah, I had one
Speaker 1: of those days. Were good chocolate chip. I didn't get one.
Speaker 1: Manda Holt made a fantastic batch of cookies in the office.
Speaker 1: I was looking forward to having one right before the
Speaker 1: show or during the show. Is like kind of a snack,
Speaker 1: holding over until dinner time. And I was actually getting
Speaker 1: enough to go get one of Joe's. Like, dude, they're gone,
Speaker 1: all these scavengers. I mean it's a star, right, you
Speaker 1: know that's right, I mean it's aide. Let's go around
Speaker 1: the National Football League in our final minutes. Here we
Speaker 1: start in Dallas where Dak Prescott apparently, well allegedly is
Speaker 1: turning down thirty million a year because he wants forty
Speaker 1: million a year. Pete, is this true? And is he nuts? Yeah?
Speaker 1: It's true and he's nuts, yes, and yes, I mean
Speaker 1: bottom line, Look, you know what happens with the quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: and it's the next guy up once the biggest deal,
Speaker 1: and doesn't mean he should get it. Uh, if somebody,
Speaker 1: if the Dallas Cowboys are offering Dak Prescott thirty million
Speaker 1: dollars a year, he should race up there and take it, period,
Speaker 1: end of story. Uh. He's not that good. He's a good,
Speaker 1: serviceable quarterback. He's not the guy's going to carry that
Speaker 1: franchise if need be. So he's crazy. If he turns
Speaker 1: down thirty million dollars, you're dead on the money. Alright, Pete.
Speaker 1: I would totally agree with you, but I don't want
Speaker 1: to make sure that people understand that he turned down
Speaker 1: thirty million a year an extension. It doesn't. It doesn't.
Speaker 1: It's not like he is going to have his his
Speaker 1: existing contract ripped up and then he's gonna start earning
Speaker 1: thirty million a year starting right now. So that's a
Speaker 1: little different, but it's a lot of money. Elliott is
Speaker 1: a better player in his position than Doc isn't. His
Speaker 1: dad is more valuable to that team. I don't care
Speaker 1: what anybody says. I wouldn't. I don't know if i'd
Speaker 1: go there. I mean there, I mean the running backs
Speaker 1: are replaceable, yes, but are you eating Eminem's By the
Speaker 1: way I'm hearing crunching? Would rather my bag is open over?
Speaker 1: Would you rather play quarterback Cooper Rush and Zeke Elliott
Speaker 1: or the backup running back and Dak Prescott. I'd rather
Speaker 1: play the backup running back in Dak Prescott. But I mean, well,
Speaker 1: you know, and that might be debatable now because the
Speaker 1: backup running back with the Dallas Cowboys is not that good. Pete,
Speaker 1: it's Tony Pollard. He's a young rookie. Well, I mean, now,
Speaker 1: he's a rookie. I mean the one that they had
Speaker 1: last year. The quarterbacks more valuable. Looking back on it,
Speaker 1: they probably should have drafted Jayla Ramsey, right, That's what
Speaker 1: we said right at the draft. I can I can
Speaker 1: tell you this, Zeke Elliott for that organization has been
Speaker 1: exactly what they've needed for for where they were at
Speaker 1: with their quarterback and where they are at as an offense.
Speaker 1: That was a better fit for them as a team
Speaker 1: than j and Ramsey would have been when he's been available.
Speaker 1: He's been suspended a bunch, right, what's that? Oh, you
Speaker 1: gotta be careful with the running back. I don't think
Speaker 1: there's any doubt about that. And he's got what he's
Speaker 1: got how many years left on his contract? He's got two, right,
Speaker 1: I mean two more. He's got one this year under contract,
Speaker 1: and then he's got an option year which they picked up,
Speaker 1: and he's gotten the next year, so he's got two.
Speaker 1: He's got too. He's crazy he's getting a new deal. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't blame him for trying, because I
Speaker 1: can tell you this is and let me ask you
Speaker 1: this question, Pete. Is he not worth more than what
Speaker 1: he's getting right now? Yes? Yeah, So do you blame
Speaker 1: him for withholding his services right now and holding now? No? Absolutely,
Speaker 1: Gordon is worth more than he's getting right now. But
Speaker 1: you've gotta be careful with those deal And they can
Speaker 1: look at Todd Gurley's deal and blame him because the
Speaker 1: running back market has gone off the edge because of
Speaker 1: Todd Gurley. Let's move to Oakland. Antonio Brown's saga first
Speaker 1: is the frost bitten feet. Now now he's threatening to
Speaker 1: not play anymore if he can't use his old muscle helmet,
Speaker 1: and the arbitrator has come down and said that he
Speaker 1: cannot use the old helmet. This is a twelve year
Speaker 1: old shoot air advantage helmet. H Brown believed to be
Speaker 1: the only player resisting the new rule. I think there
Speaker 1: were thirty players are so grandfather did last year. Now
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of guys that have had to change helmets.
Speaker 1: Tom Brady including in that group. But here's the deal,
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown is better than days of our lives. I
Speaker 1: can tell you that this is This is entertainment. I mean,
Speaker 1: this guy, he's a nut job, he really is. And
Speaker 1: and and look they're trying to make it safer for you,
Speaker 1: your knucklehead. Take the new helmet. It's all it's incredible,
Speaker 1: but you can't see the football. Pete, Come on, man,
Speaker 1: you're telling me, okay, And here's the thing, Pete, it's
Speaker 1: not like the NFL is saying, here's your new helmet.
Speaker 1: You only can have one. It's the only one we
Speaker 1: have available. There's a they have like twelve helmets to
Speaker 1: choose from, and every one of them and maybe you
Speaker 1: might be right, it might be more than twelve. But
Speaker 1: there is a variety of helmets for him to choose from,
Speaker 1: and ones that are proven proven that they're lighter, better
Speaker 1: far as more aerodynamic, more uh air cooling and are safer,
Speaker 1: most importantly for you than the helmet that you were wearing.
Speaker 1: Why did you wear Did you wear Ridel when you
Speaker 1: came into the league. I wore Ridel when I came
Speaker 1: in the league because that was really your only option
Speaker 1: was Rodell and and I don't think we had many choices.
Speaker 1: We had a couple of options. Did you bring the
Speaker 1: same helmet? Did I wear the same helmet you're after year? Hell? No,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna wear the same helmet because after you
Speaker 1: beat heads with somebody for entire year, do you think
Speaker 1: that that's gonna be safe for me to wear it
Speaker 1: the next year? As it would be if I got
Speaker 1: a new everything. No, I don't get it. I don't
Speaker 1: understand the whole he's at. You're right, he's better than
Speaker 1: the days of our lives. It is. It's entertaining, though,
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, you gotta love it from that aspect.
Speaker 1: Here's the disappointing thing. This was a great opportunity for HBO,
Speaker 1: right and Hard Knocks, and and John Gruden is rooting
Speaker 1: it by cuttinging, cutting all this stuff on the editing floor,
Speaker 1: I mean, from the from the cryogenically frozen foot to
Speaker 1: the helmet to the non participation in practice and they're
Speaker 1: cutting that out of hard Knocks. This could be the
Speaker 1: best hard knocks ever and I thought disappointing. All right,
Speaker 1: we've made it through another program, Jaguars Happy Hour. Pete,
Speaker 1: well done with logs, so easy to talk and be
Speaker 1: no yelling and screaming and just good football conversation. Nation.
Speaker 1: It's a rarity on this program. Consider who else is
Speaker 1: usually on the show. Don't get used to it because
Speaker 1: Tony Basel will be back next week for Jaguars Half
Speaker 1: Here Lugs. Thanks so much, good to see it. Thank you.
Speaker 1: By the way, I'll be the game Thursday. Cool. We'll
Speaker 1: see Pete Briscoe, Jeff Flagerman, birthday Boy, Joe Fortunato, britt
Speaker 1: rebar Our entire crew. I'm JP Shatrick. We'll see you
Speaker 1: next time. Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network.