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Speaker 1: Speaks to the plan in Charlamagne to God here and

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Speaker 1: as we come closer the closing out this year, I

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Speaker 1: just want to say thank you for tuning into the

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Speaker 1: Black Podcast Network. There have been so many great moments

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Speaker 1: over the past year. Take a listen to some of

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Speaker 1: those captivating moments in this special best of episode.

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Speaker 2: Seven time All Star, two time Defensive Player of the Year,

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Speaker 2: two thousand and six Champions, three time Defensive Player of

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Speaker 2: the Year.

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Speaker 3: Man, Welcome to the show, Alonzo.

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Speaker 4: Thank you appreciate.

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Speaker 3: Than having me. Gentlemen.

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Speaker 2: You spoke to the growth of the game and the

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Speaker 2: vision of David Stern. And you know, as we currently

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Speaker 2: speak five straight years foreign players and won the MVPs

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Speaker 2: and the knock. When you were coming in the game

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Speaker 2: and when we were coming in the game was European

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Speaker 2: players were a little soft and they couldn't kind of

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Speaker 2: the growth of the game, it's kind of grown more

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Speaker 4: And you know what, and the reason being is because

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Speaker 4: the mentality is different over there. The culture speak to

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Speaker 4: that is different too.

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Speaker 4: I mean they grew up a little hungrier, almost like

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Speaker 4: we did when we were younger. You know, there's a

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Speaker 4: certain hunger level. I was with David Stern. We were

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Speaker 4: playing an exhibition game and when we had the Big

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Speaker 4: Three here in Miami, and I was coming down with

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Speaker 4: him and I coming down on the elevator, okay, and

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Speaker 4: I just started working with the team recently and as

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Speaker 4: vice president, and I said David, I said, what is

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Speaker 4: it about us coming over here to play? And from

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Speaker 4: a business perspective, I had to think about it when

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Speaker 4: he responded to me. But his direct response was, all

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Speaker 4: we need it's three hundred million of them. And I

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Speaker 4: I mean he had billions, a billion, over a billion,

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Speaker 4: and he said, oh, we need is three hundred million, which, which,

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Speaker 4: for lack of a better word, trumps which trump's the

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Speaker 4: amount of eyes that we have here. You know, So

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Speaker 4: when you think about the business perspective of it, you know,

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Speaker 4: it's like, you know, the volume of eyes that are global, really,

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Speaker 4: you know, has has been a lot more uh, beneficial

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Speaker 4: sparking the interest of this young, hungry generation of Europeans

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Speaker 4: and then the national players, whether it be Africans, you know,

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Speaker 4: the list goes on.

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Speaker 4: You know, you think about the Joker, you know, you

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Speaker 4: think that was sparked by the seed playing it by

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Speaker 4: David Stern back in nineteen ninety two when we implemented

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Speaker 4: the Dream Team and it just spread like wildflife.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm sure he's happy and down.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, the growth of the game sixth straight overseas MVPs.

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Speaker 2: Do you see this kind of trend continuing to grow

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Speaker 2: or do you think American players will come back around

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Speaker 2: and kind of meet the challenge.

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Speaker 4: There is a reason why each team has a staff

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Speaker 4: of three, four, five, even six folks that travel throughout

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Speaker 4: That's the reason for that, you know, and that's where

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Speaker 4: You know, you got to think of the amount of

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Speaker 4: you know. And it starts with au basketball. You know,

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Speaker 4: it's basketball is tainted. I play basketball differ much different,

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Speaker 4: not about that anymore. When over there, that's all it's about.

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Speaker 4: That's all. It's a power man.

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Speaker 3: The mean, look at Luca Jesus christ Man, I mean.

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Speaker 4: His skill level is all the charge is off the

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Speaker 4: too much. It gets in the way of it. You know,

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Speaker 4: it's too much gets in the way of that process.

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Speaker 2: You know, Tumbo becomes a teammate too, incredible shot blockers.

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Speaker 2: We heard a story about but Tumble trying to pick

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Speaker 4: Hey, listen, man, listen. We all had a good time. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: took advantage of it. But we had a lot of

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Speaker 4: We had a lot of fun. We had some memorable moments.

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Speaker 4: Probably one of the most memorable moments that I had

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Speaker 4: with him, we were we were dominates and his feet

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Speaker 2: And everything because he's about seven two.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's seven two. But anyway, one day he uh,

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Speaker 3: Ran out of he uh, he ran out of flower.

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Speaker 4: He was trying to make some chickens, so he used

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Speaker 4: He had the whole apartment smoking. He had tried apartment

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Speaker 4: In there, chicken and chicken and bird on the outside,

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Speaker 4: and it was wrong inside. It was like I was like,

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Speaker 3: Cornmeal bro not corn bread.

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Speaker 6: Cornmeal bro not corn bread.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show, Thank you, domin Man.

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Speaker 3: Thanks always good to see you guys.

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Speaker 2: Obviously a career full of highlights. Are there any dunks

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Speaker 2: that's to kind of stand out to your mind? You

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Speaker 2: said you love dunkle on big dudes, that's you know.

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Speaker 5: I think one of my favorite dunks was against Bobbling

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Speaker 5: there at the end of the game. I remember, I'm

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Speaker 5: I say, here, jump, that's it. That's the one. Was

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Speaker 5: that a double punt reverse on to the side, so

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Speaker 6: The post game though, how many guards that post game?

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Speaker 3: Back?

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Speaker 7: Then?

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Speaker 5: Hey, let me tell you he didn't speak to me

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Speaker 3: I said, why you why do you not? I mean,

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Speaker 5: He said, it's just recently my daughter said I need

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Speaker 5: to get by. He said, it's this little skinny kid

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Speaker 5: dunk on you like that. You should be embarrassed.

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Speaker 2: Damn when you kind of see how that's yourself. Obviously

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Speaker 2: you can put yourself back, do you.

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Speaker 5: What do you think one of the things that you

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Speaker 5: could never put a little guard like that on me?

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Speaker 5: Because if you switch, I'm going right to the post.

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Speaker 5: I'm not gonna be out on the wing. You're not

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Speaker 5: And I didn't know that was gonna happen because I

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Speaker 5: went by baseline and we went up, he was at

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Speaker 5: He was coming down and he looked at me all

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Speaker 3: Cause he's gonna suck you up.

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Speaker 6: Wasn't letting that happen?

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Speaker 5: No, no treat you told my tough guys. Let me

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Speaker 5: so much you could say the tree before he slaps

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Speaker 5: I'm not going and I've seen him slap many got

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Speaker 5: Bill cart right guards. I mean he slaps on gods.

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Speaker 5: I said, treat man, why you slap people like that?

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Speaker 5: He said, it takes that manhood when I Hey, that's

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Speaker 6: I know that's my dog. I mean the brother.

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Speaker 5: That's one of the reason why you don't want to

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Speaker 6: Look at it right there, that's him and Zeke Oh

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Speaker 5: That said eight foot wings, you're not getting in there.

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Speaker 5: And see he had you got you gotta take one

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Speaker 2: Look how far away he's swinging though, like you can't

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Speaker 6: You got you got to take one back.

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Speaker 5: Then it wasn't no just wolfing wolf wasn't no crazy

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Speaker 5: fine nah man. I remember Oak with the first kid

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Speaker 3: So he said, I'm gonna hit.

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Speaker 8: Your hands, your hands, you know, he scored and just

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Speaker 6: Look, Hey, that's nobody like that.

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Speaker 5: Something that came in all out brawl because he dunked

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Speaker 5: and Danny ain't. No nobody hit him with his elbow

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Speaker 3: Every time you go by a pick.

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Speaker 5: So that was a perfect opportunity for treating to get him.

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Speaker 6: They got you in your bag too.

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Speaker 5: Me and Bird got into it, got into a situation

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Speaker 3: I couldn't get loose.

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Speaker 6: I hate that I couldn't get like.

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Speaker 2: Like this is this little the strength and conditioning motherfucker.

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Speaker 6: Right, I couldn't get loose. He did on purpose to face.

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Speaker 5: He almost broke his neck.

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Speaker 2: He took his face and Andrew's a competitor to Oh yeah,

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Speaker 5: You know one guy that he's another guy that gave

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Speaker 5: because he was a past man. We we got in

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Speaker 5: so many fights from Boston. Man, it was a normal thing.

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Speaker 5: But you know what, it was expected. It wasn't personal.

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Speaker 5: We're just trying to in between Boston and Detroit and

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Speaker 5: That was just our attitude. We had a we had

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Speaker 5: a policy on our team. Anybody gets into it, bench clear.

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Speaker 3: If the bench don't clear, you.

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Speaker 2: Find if you didn't come now, you get fined.

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Speaker 5: We didn't really know what the flagrant found was.

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Speaker 3: It hit the ground and I wasn't hurt. But I

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Speaker 5: I said, they didn't just snatch me out of the as.

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Speaker 5: I just jump out, just start swinging, And then I

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Speaker 6: Got more braid.

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Speaker 5: They got closer, right and you know, and nobody nobody

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Speaker 3: He tried to black a shot.

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Speaker 5: He was just cheap shot it.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 5: I broke my hand on his head though, punched him

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Speaker 6: You know, I wasn't a guy.

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Speaker 5: I didn't start a lot of crap. And it's you know,

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Speaker 3: You know. One thing I.

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Speaker 5: Didn't deal with disrespect man. You know, I just played

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Speaker 5: I said, you have certain guys that you don't like.

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Speaker 5: I don't care. And like I said, it ain't nothing

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Speaker 5: they did. They just don't like. Like like Chuck Person

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Speaker 3: I just got it.

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Speaker 5: I just start swinging out. You hit him two or

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Speaker 5: I'm choking. They choking me, right, just like what Draymond

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Speaker 5: let him go, and he went limp and I looked.

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Speaker 2: Back like, thank you, appreciate the big So if you read,

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Speaker 2: if you if you threw punches back, then what was

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Speaker 5: Two fifty two hundred, Oh god, that's it, man, Hey,

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Speaker 5: you fifty you got thrown at a million. He might

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Speaker 3: You get that second taxtic too, But.

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Speaker 2: Twenty five thousand for pushing somebody.

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Speaker 5: Man, you know what we would guys would laugh at

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Speaker 5: that back then pushing time.

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Speaker 3: We got enough time.

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Speaker 5: We got pushed and pushed up.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 5: But you know, for us, it's set the tone, like

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Speaker 3: I got fined three million, and he ain't died.

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Speaker 2: He said he didn't even die.

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Speaker 5: He I remember when you got fired at three thousand,

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Speaker 8: So y'all had a total of about what eight uh no,

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Speaker 8: not close to ten million, man Ron was eight a piece,

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Speaker 8: I mean just me and him was eight. He got five.

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Speaker 8: I had three. Wow, And all the other players ended

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Speaker 5: So you know, you know right now you talk about fine,

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Speaker 5: if you dunk on a guy, you look.

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Speaker 3: At him ridiculous back.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, come on, man, come.

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Speaker 3: On, man, I think I need to call the league

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Speaker 3: and go back and watch this.

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Speaker 5: You know, you know what he's got the need to

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Speaker 5: watch real street ball. Yeah, how them brothers play, Hey,

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Speaker 5: they would make a lot of them.

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Speaker 6: Or hockey.

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Speaker 2: You just go sit down four minutes.

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Speaker 6: The league is full a whole bunch of light skinned

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Speaker 5: You ain't gonna get how much of that tell you?

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Speaker 6: The toughest life the lead right now, the.

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Speaker 5: Tougher light skain you. You talk about life again. The

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Speaker 5: toughest nice you got to play this game is Mary's Lucas.

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Speaker 5: They enforce what hey throw. Nobody messing with him. That's

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Speaker 5: nobody who was the one he knocked someone out? Him

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Speaker 5: and Daryl Dawkins went, he didn't. I was when I

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Speaker 5: was in college back then. You're not supposed to do it.

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Speaker 5: But Marius Lucas and Pete Mary's used to train me

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Speaker 5: I got the toughest guy in the league. Then I

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Speaker 5: What do you work out? If you ain't working hard

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Speaker 5: with him, he get upset. Man, He'll call you out

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Speaker 5: and you ain't gonna question him. You know you've seen

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 2: Man, Today we have twelve time All Star, eleven time

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Speaker 2: All NBA, first player in NBA history to average triple double.

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Speaker 2: Give me a p NBA Champ. Welcome to the show,

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Speaker 2: Oscar Robbinson.

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Speaker 3: You get to see you guys.

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Speaker 8: I want to ask you what's what's your opinion on

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Speaker 8: I think that's the best thing I've done in my

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Speaker 8: Life's do something.

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Speaker 3: For for for our people.

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Speaker 8: But what's your opinion on athletes and activism? And how

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Speaker 8: was it growing up in Indiana dealing with the KKK

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Speaker 8: and all that growing up.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about Indiana. First.

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Speaker 9: I didn't see any white people at all when I

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Speaker 3: In Indiana.

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Speaker 9: One white person was Bob Collins, who was a writer

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Speaker 9: You know, sometimes they talk about ghettold kids and whatnot

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Speaker 9: and and all the bad things. These guys were great.

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Speaker 3: But it's a.

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Speaker 9: But you know, it's really interested when when you when

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Speaker 9: You have to be careful sometimes, but that doesn't mean

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Speaker 9: I can't think of his name. He stepped still, sat

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Speaker 9: And and I won't tell you the coaches name that

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Speaker 3: What bob me more than anything. The rest of the

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Speaker 9: I could not understand that they didn't like the national

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Speaker 9: I know the national anthem, but I never heard the

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Speaker 9: The national anthem is great, I mean I learned came

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Speaker 9: We want to we want to go medal. Then boy

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Speaker 9: goes up. Something goes through you. You know, you think

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Speaker 3: Think about the words too, just as fall were still

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Speaker 2: Well, it's true too, but what was that experience like

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Speaker 2: Obviously a different time back then when you're representing a

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Speaker 2: What was it like to be able to do that

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Speaker 9: I think this was in nineteen sixty folks, so it

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Speaker 9: I met I met Oli there, I met Wilman, Rudolph,

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Speaker 9: It was great experience for learning things about yourself, about life.

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Speaker 9: I never I never been run that many people like

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Speaker 9: because I kept telling me to tell me the greatest

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Speaker 9: man God and tell them tell me, tell me we

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 3: That's come on.

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Speaker 2: I love it. You were co capping with Jerry West.

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Speaker 2: We just lost rest in peace.

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Speaker 9: Yeah. Jerry was a good friend of mine. We met

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Speaker 9: something's mighty funny about that. As we won the championship,

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Speaker 9: I was sitting with sitting with Pete Knell. Was that coach?

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Speaker 9: He said, Oscar. He said, I got a difficult task tonight.

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Speaker 9: I said, what is it, coach? He said, they don't

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Speaker 9: and Bob Boozer ball Me. We needed him to win

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Speaker 3: They didn't want him, they didn't want two blacks. No

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Speaker 9: I mean, and it's it's a I know, these things

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Speaker 9: Because I had a great experience at the Olympics, I thought,

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Speaker 9: When you run for a medal and and once you

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Speaker 9: get a medal, you know, just told told happiness. You know,

447
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 9: you congratulate the people that that that's running against you,

448
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 9: but they understead you're happy for them as well.

449
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Speaker 2: Mental health is such a big thing and discussed today,

450
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,120
Speaker 2: but that's just recent. They just maybe the last five

451
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Speaker 2: seven years. Mental health. I mean, with so much racial

452
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Speaker 2: tension back then, although it was the norm, it had

453
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Speaker 2: to affect you day to day. How did that make

454
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Speaker 2: you feel? How were you able to focus on the

455
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Speaker 2: task in hand? How did you get through all the

456
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Speaker 2: stuff you you know, had to unfortunately go through.

457
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Speaker 9: When I went to the universit of Cincinnati, I was

458
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Speaker 9: the first black to play there, and I didn't realize

459
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Speaker 9: it because I'd gone to Cincinnati see Jackie Robinson play

460
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Speaker 9: a lot, and I saw a lot of African American

461
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Speaker 9: people sitting in the stands with not I said, man,

462
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Speaker 9: this is a great sound, great city. So anyway, when

463
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Speaker 9: I go to school there, I didn't see any black people. Man,

464
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Speaker 9: I mean, I'm going to class at nobody, so One

465
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Speaker 9: day I told a coach, I waid I want to

466
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Speaker 9: have a meeting man.

467
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Speaker 3: So I met him eight o'clock in the morning. I said,

468
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Speaker 3: what's going on?

469
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Speaker 9: He told me the stories that they just don't like

470
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Speaker 9: blacks at the school.

471
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Speaker 3: I said, why don't you tell me this now before

472
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Speaker 3: I got here?

473
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Speaker 2: Before I got here.

474
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Speaker 9: A Lisai didn't want to do that because he wanted

475
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Speaker 9: me to come. But anyway, I'm any or commitment, and

476
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 9: so I was. So I stuck with it. You know,

477
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,120
Speaker 9: it wasn't always easy, right. I sat in my room

478
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Speaker 9: one night, not that, but all the other black guys

479
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 9: in the same situation up here. Nobody cares, but for

480
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 9: at least for me, I was a star player of

481
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,199
Speaker 9: the year. That got some tension, you know. But I

482
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 9: think about all those other players, you know, I really

483
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 9: felt sorry for them.

484
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Speaker 3: I think that's why I admire you so much.

485
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Speaker 8: I mean, you got a lot of guys today with

486
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Speaker 8: every with all the bonuses and pluses they have, they

487
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 8: are not able to go out and not not even

488
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Speaker 8: average triple doot, but play to the level you play,

489
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 8: and they're not really dealing with nothing.

490
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 3: You was dealing with people threatening your.

491
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 8: Life, betting your family's life, betting your job threat and

492
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 8: you still went out there and played to be the

493
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Speaker 8: person you are today. I admire that because you know

494
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Speaker 8: a lot of people that have every think of the world,

495
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 8: they don't have the confidence to stand up for something

496
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Speaker 8: that that doesn't have nothing, has nothing to do with them.

497
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Speaker 3: You did it your whole career, So.

498
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Speaker 8: I admire that and still be able to be, you know,

499
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Speaker 8: the person who has a basketball player with all that stuff.

500
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Speaker 3: That just says a lot about who you are in life.

501
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Speaker 9: You know, when you get older, if you're realizing that

502
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 9: more and more, there's so many things that bother you

503
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 9: on a daily basis, difficult things you got to go on,

504
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 9: you can't stop. God has has an answer to everybody,

505
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:32,119
Speaker 9: and he's still in charge, so you can't worry about things.

506
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Speaker 9: A lot of times, you know, you're said unforcunate that

507
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 9: things happen in your life, that that bother that bother

508
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 9: you really bother you some terrible things.

509
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Speaker 3: Sometimes, but you got letter play out, but you got

510
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 3: later playoffs just like that.

511
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Speaker 9: I never forget. There was one guy named Norman Allen

512
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 9: who lived on our street, and he said he was

513
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 9: talking one day about players being great, and he said,

514
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 9: remember one thing, and you're on the court, think about

515
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:02,120
Speaker 9: think about the game. And I'll so said, they can't

516
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 9: play until they tossed the ball up. So I said,

517
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 9: what do you mean by that? He said, allways, talk

518
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 9: about this guy and that guy before the game doesn't

519
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 9: mean anything. He's when they tossed the ball up. That's

520
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 9: when you got to go and see whether you can

521
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 9: get it done or not. But but uh, but but

522
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 9: it just it just bothers me more than anything that

523
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 9: you talked earlier about guys and social social activities whatnot.

524
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 9: They got to be careful because they're involved with shoot deals,

525
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 9: television deals, commercials.

526
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Speaker 3: But not I think they can be smart about it.

527
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 3: There's a way to do it.

528
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Speaker 9: You don't have to go out and curse somebody out

529
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 9: and call them names and what not. But you know,

530
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 9: but you can be smart about this, you know, and

531
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Speaker 9: have statements that that are thoughtful.

532
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Speaker 3: You know, conversations, Yes, have the conversations.

533
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Speaker 2: The One and Only Man. Welcome to the show with

534
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Speaker 2: Sean kemp Man.

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Speaker 8: A lot of you appears from the nineties in the

536
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Speaker 8: Hall of Fame, Miss Richmond grand Hill as well, but

537
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 8: Tim Hardaway all in the Hall of Fame?

538
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 6: Is it time?

539
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 3: The Hall of Fame?

540
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 6: Good time?

541
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Speaker 7: But I think so, you know, I've always said that,

542
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 7: you know, those first eight or nine years that I

543
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 7: had was was was pretty good, pretty solid, you know,

544
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 7: pretty solid. And also I will tell you this, I'm

545
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 7: a six time All Star. So that's you know those

546
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 7: six times, those six games that I started, you know

547
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 7: who I had to beat the you know that was Charles,

548
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,959
Speaker 7: that's Carmelon. That's every year. Yeah, so that's pretty consistent basketball, right.

549
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Speaker 3: You know.

550
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Speaker 7: I will say this, so me going through some problems

551
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 7: and stuff that I went through in my career also

552
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 7: hurts you at the end. But I think when you

553
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 7: look at the good side of it and you compare

554
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 7: the numbers and stuff, I'm right there with some of

555
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 7: the best ones. Absolutely.

556
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Speaker 2: Would you mind opening up and share and talking about

557
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 2: them problems. We don't have to if you don't.

558
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 7: Want to, but well, I'm not afraid to talk about it.

559
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Speaker 7: I mean, obviously, I think when any time that you uh,

560
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 7: you go your body shape goes from this to that,

561
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 7: you get weight, or you have some drug problems in

562
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 7: any any anything like that is always going to be

563
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 7: highlighted you know what I'm saying. So I understand those

564
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 7: you have those marks against you, But the dominance I

565
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 7: think of what I played with through those early years

566
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 7: of my career, I think it should definitely be highlighted.

567
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 7: Without a doubt.

568
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 2: I came from two parents that were functioning drug addicts.

569
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 2: I grew up in it, seen it, dad sold it.

570
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Speaker 2: Were there are times where you were out there at

571
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Speaker 2: your best, making All Star appearances and being great leading

572
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 2: your team when you were on drugs.

573
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Speaker 7: No, not necessarily on drugs, I believe. I believe when

574
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 7: my drug where drug issues probably came, and it was

575
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 7: more when things started to go sideways, when I was

576
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 7: having some problems with the organization. So I think, you know,

577
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 7: as far as I was concerned, when you put so

578
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 7: much into the game of basketball, when you when you

579
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 7: say that you're going to become the best, when you

580
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 7: say that you're going to become dominant, it takes a

581
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 7: lot of time, a lot of effort, right, And I

582
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 7: don't think what people realize. I don't and I don't

583
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 7: even try to make them realize this, But I would

584
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 7: just say this. At the time of playing basketball in

585
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 7: the nineties was a very physical sport, right, It wasn't.

586
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 7: It wasn't a weak mass sport. Only the strong hurvive, right.

587
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 7: And you know, as you you want to compete at

588
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 7: those best at those best levels. So I don't think

589
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 7: drugs really came into factor to me until probably when

590
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 7: I started to lose. You know, when you start to

591
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,199
Speaker 7: lose your life change, you know, so you know, the

592
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 7: one thing and I tell you, guys, just the one

593
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 7: thing that I kind of regret about back then is

594
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 7: that I'll say this is that you know, playing with

595
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 7: Gary Payton, we had this great friendship, this great camaradi

596
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 7: where we won so many games, winning fifty sixty games

597
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 7: a year. You sometimes when you start to look at

598
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 7: things far as its financial, sometimes you put that ahead

599
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 7: of what you have chemistry wise.

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Speaker 3: You know.

601
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Speaker 7: I tell Garry this all the time. If I could

602
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 7: go back and change a few things we were, probably

603
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 7: both of us would probably work on being with each other,

604
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 7: playing with each other a little bit longer.

605
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Speaker 3: You got what we did? You have at the bar?

606
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 2: What's the story? So I did voiceovers for this show

607
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 2: called What's Real Stories of Basketball? And it was when

608
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 2: they brought Old Boy and that average like four points

609
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 2: and two rebounds, anything, mclvain. So I did the voiceover

610
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 2: for that seed you talked on it and everything. So

611
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 2: I did the voiceover for that, and I didn't obviously

612
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 2: I was younger when that happened, so I didn't realize, like, damn,

613
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 2: why would he leave? But I read how you know,

614
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 2: they came in four years on note like, they came

615
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 2: in and gave Jim mcavain, someone who didn't play, didn't

616
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 2: do anything, a bunch of money. This dude led the

617
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 2: team every in rebounds, scoring, to the to the playoffs,

618
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 2: to the and he was making more than Sean So

619
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Speaker 2: that you at the time, right, So that, yeah, maybe

620
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,239
Speaker 2: some more things, but like I said, that's the kind

621
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Speaker 2: of what I got.

622
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Speaker 7: But I think you know, to me, it wasn't necessarily

623
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 7: about the money.

624
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 2: It's more about the respect, right, come on, man, Like it.

625
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 7: Takes great effort, absolutely with the best every day, every night.

626
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 7: And when you do that consistently for year after year

627
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 7: or that, Yeah, man, absolutely, I think and I'm just

628
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 7: telling you this when I look at it now, I

629
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 7: look at it back and I'm probably as a young

630
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 7: man you're going through that, you probably take it personally, Yeah,

631
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 7: in life and in business, one of the things that

632
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 7: you don't do is take things personally. Once you take

633
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 7: it personally, it's going to affect not only who you are,

634
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 7: but also what you do.

635
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Speaker 2: But but I assume, with all due respect, it's hard

636
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 2: not to and I in no way do I want

637
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 2: people to make it think like you were mad about

638
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 2: someone else get money. That wasn't what I got from it.

639
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 2: It was was it was the respect factor.

640
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 3: But you would.

641
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 2: Accomplish with that team you deserved more than what you were.

642
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 7: Well, I think that's I think that's what you do

643
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 7: when you're a player. You're working, You're working for that,

644
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 7: that's what you're those steps, those are the things that

645
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 7: you're working for. And man, I was one of those

646
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 7: guys who who who kind of went in there was

647
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 7: just like, Hey, what do I need to do to

648
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 7: become you know, the best? What do I need to

649
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 7: do to become one of the highest paid and who

650
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 7: you know? And I can remember the conversation the general manager.

651
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 7: The general manager came to me and h he was like, well,

652
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 7: if you if you want to be the high one

653
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 7: of the highest paid, then all you got do is

654
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 7: go out there. I played Michael Jordan and I was like, okay, well, well,

655
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 7: a couple of years later we play in the championship,

656
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 7: and uh, I look at it as an opportunity. That's

657
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 7: an opportunity for me to shine, and it's also an

658
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 7: opportunity for you to make more money. As they said,

659
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 7: I mean, if I can outscore Michael Jordan in this

660
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 7: series then and also play well and help our team

661
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 7: achieve what we try and achieve, then I'm gonna put

662
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 7: myself in a pretty good position. Well I played well done,

663
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 7: those little things we want it kind of when it

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Speaker 7: came time for payday, there was no phone call when

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Speaker 7: you lose the series. That's what they do to you sometimes.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 7: You know, it's like, hey, it kind of forgot about

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Speaker 7: that conversation before ahead. So you know, I think you know,

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Speaker 7: and I say this, when as a young man, you

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Speaker 7: sometimes you take those things personal without a doubt. Those

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Speaker 7: those same things that you take personal, you sometimes don't

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Speaker 7: take personal. And that's kind of what makes you, That's

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Speaker 7: what kind of drives you. So you know, there were

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Speaker 7: things that I probably didn't take personal that drove me,

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Speaker 7: but that one right there definitely hurt me.

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