WEBVTT - Black Music Month: James Poyser Part 2 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.040 Questlove Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:09.160 What's Up Everybody? 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:11.520 This is Shuga Steve from questlov Supreme and we are 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:14.400 back with part two of our conversation with the incredible 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:17.159 James Poyser. We all make fun of each other, but 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:19.120 James is a dear friend who has been a joy 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:21.079 to work with over the last twenty I did not 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:24.400 write this. This is clearly written by somebody else. You 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:27.120 have heard him join QLs for our Fred Hammond interview 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:29.560 a few years ago, and he popped into let US's 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:33.279 Chat earlier this year. But this time James is in. 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:33.960 The hot scene. 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:36.440 If you haven't go listen to part one, where he 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:39.080 talks about growing up in West Philly, his years as 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:42.880 a gospel musician, and ultimately getting down with DJ Jazzy, Jeff, 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:46.280 Grandmaster Vic and Gamble and Huff as we celebrate Black 0:00:46.400 --> 0:00:48.960 Music Month. James Poyser has been at the Ebby Center 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:52.120 of It for nearly thirty five years, and don't enjoy 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:53.800 and thank you James. 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:59.480 Your first year of rotation with Professon Ales, I assume 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:02.720 ninety one ninety ninety three, Yeah, who are you gigging with? 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:06.000 Because I know probably the number one thing I'm asked, 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:09.360 like in my d M, it's just like can I. 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:12.319 Get a gig? Wow? 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:12.920 Same? 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:15.120 And you've never had to go through this. You never 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:18.520 had to Never audition that the guy because I don't 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:22.039 think I would get to work. I definitely wasn't getting chosen. 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:24.200 So you hear about the gig and you'd have to 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:26.959 go to audition. And I remember going to this. I'm 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:28.920 not gonna say that you audition for Boys to Men. 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:31.120 You were just about to say it. 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:37.600 That was incredible, Toll brothers and y'all ready each other's mind. 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:38.160 It was cute. 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:40.119 Oh, you were about to say that. But this wasn't 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:42.840 the Philly band. This was a New York band that 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:45.120 was doing it. I'll never forget. I took the train 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:48.440 up here to rehearsal and boys and Men walked in 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:50.120 and they was like, okay, let's do the song. And 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:53.120 I was like, I don't know the song and just 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:56.000 let this go. And I've never heard the song, so 0:01:56.120 --> 0:01:59.320 that everybody's playing and I'm like, and I think boys 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:01.440 and Men said something walked down the MD was like, yo, man, 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:02.520 you need to know the music. 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:04.640 It's like, nobody sent me to music. 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:05.520 How I was supposed to know what. 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:09.240 I don't know because we already established I think because 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:11.280 the MD at the time was just like. 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:20.880 You messed up. Damn, I got to send you the tape. 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:27.760 Yes, I thought, now I'll admit that I didn't know 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:32.000 about like the auditions for that, And after the four 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:33.560 I was like, Yo, why did y'all call me for it? 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:36.520 We thought you knew about it? Everybody knew about it, but. 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:40.200 I didn't know musicians at all, And so like, how 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:40.880 do you know? 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:46.000 It's just being in those circles, you know, being around 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:48.440 you're on the church scene, or around the boys and 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:50.519 guys in the club scene. You hear about things, Hey, 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:52.359 so and so looking for a band I put a 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:53.800 band together or YadA YadA. 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:58.840 All right, So today, of course, if you're six degrees 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:05.960 to Blackstone, six degrees to Omar, I don't know who 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:09.680 else is man man all of them. Yeah right, So 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:13.200 if your six degrees to them, chances are you're going 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:15.800 to find some work, because I mean, Adam controls at 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:18.360 least seventeen acts, so. 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:19.840 He's looking for it, you know what I mean? 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:24.440 But what was the lay of the land in the 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:27.200 early nineties, Like who should I have known to make 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:30.840 my dad. My dad wanted me in that session circle thing. 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:36.200 So who should I have known too? Because even Clayton 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:38.560 sears like audition for boys and minute I'm. 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:46.080 Like, yeah, Clay, Clay Clay. So it was just guys. 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:48.560 I can't really put a you have to play with people. 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:53.400 Who's the black See. I thought knowing Bill jolly Bill, jolly. 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:56.880 Jolly Bill, jolly Bill, jolly Yeah. 0:03:57.400 --> 0:04:00.720 I thought knowing him would be like, you're in. 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:04.520 What's crazy is that it seems to me that the 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:08.520 guys that have those runs as mts are mostly bass players. 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:12.680 It's kind of funny. Ricky Minor, Yeah, current Kurrent Brantley 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:16.080 was a guy back in that area that ran pretty 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:18.400 much put all the bands together and that was that 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:20.400 was black you know, Black Store. 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:24.240 So the bass players are Randy. 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:30.600 Jackson, Randy, Yeah, it makes sense to Rachel, right. 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:30.920 Yeah. 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:33.919 So just being around and I was so I was 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:36.200 playing with the wedding bands too at the time that 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:38.320 if I didn't mention that, oh my god, I was 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:41.320 playing the wedding bands and that was I was making 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:44.360 money on the wedding. I would play like I would 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:47.920 play the opening whatever that is. Then the ceremony and 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:50.880 the cocktail and then the actual. 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:54.400 Is there a fake book for the wedding circuit? 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:58.080 Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's just the top all the 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:02.640 top forty stuff, right and the whole. Yeah. Yeah, we 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:04.920 were played. We were played a hard like shouting music. 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:12.080 Everybody dancing the drunk, so they. 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:12.840 Don't know what's going on. 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:19.880 All these city line avenue weddings. Yeah. 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:23.000 It was now my last wedding that I did. I 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:24.919 had to drive on a half to this country club. 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:29.600 I did the opening thing whatever, just a lot of 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:33.120 stuff is piano only, and then the party is with 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:35.160 the full band. So I did that, did the ceremony, 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:40.520 did the cocktail, did the party after us, I'm exhausted, 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:44.760 carrying my keyboard, I had my black tucks on both 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:47.599 camera stuff to my car and this little old lady 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:52.400 dismissively without looking at me, passing me up a valet 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:54.000 ticket and here get my car from what? 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:58.640 And I quit the next day? 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:01.240 Yeah, we pass I wish you would have took the 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:06.680 car and just took high school teams would have done 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:09.440 that ship all right. 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:14.039 So I remember the first time we played together, and 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:16.800 I've told this story before the last day of Hilladolph 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:17.279 Half Life. 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:20.480 DiAngelo came to Philly. 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:25.279 To record The Knotic The Hypnotic and then we had 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:28.000 like six hours of spirit. We did a whole lockout, 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:31.279 but we knocked the Hypnotic out in like ninety minutes. 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:33.760 Like that's how fast he was with harmonizing. 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:35.520 Yeah, Dangelo works really fast. 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:43.800 Yes, And so we took a food break and then 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:46.000 it was like, well shit, we got you know, time 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:48.839 on the clock and we did the whole do you 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:50.159 know the song? Do you know this song? Do you 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:51.560 know this song? Do you know this Song's you on 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:53.560 the song? I was like, oh, damn, all right, he 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:58.680 knows what he's doing. And that's when Rich said to me, 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:02.760 well not for nothing, because in my mind I was like, yeah, man, 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:05.120 this out these types of chords, this is what I want. 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:08.000 Come on you no no, no, no, no, no no. And 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:09.840 Rich was like, well not for nothing. 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:13.280 I said, you got someone does better chords than him 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:15.680 in Philadelphia, you know, in the backyard. I was like, oh, 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:19.120 he's like James Poyser. I was like, who's James Spoyser. 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:21.680 He's like, you don't know James Poyser. You know the 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:24.800 guy He's like describing it wasn't coming to me, and 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:27.040 he said Philly International And I was like, then, I 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:30.920 remember the Apollo in London and that stuff. I was like, oh, 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:33.960 that guy he plays keyboards, and so he said, yeah, 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:37.480 matter of fact, I'm gonna call him. Kadar want sister 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:40.480 work with one of his clients, and she's gonna come 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:42.160 in from Dallas. 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:47.840 And this was maybe four or five days later. So 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:50.200 what I do remember. 0:07:49.840 --> 0:08:00.080 Though, is because she was young, fresh and new, he 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:04.640 going back to uh sugar Steve with doing everything. This 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:11.200 is the one time I remember Michael D'Angelo Archers showing up, No, 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:12.320 three hours early. 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:16.080 Wow, he's fine, still fine. 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:19.080 He was already back in New York. And I was like, yeah, man, 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:20.440 I said, we're working with the. 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:23.240 Girl Eric abad. 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:26.720 As. 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:35.000 I said, what what? I said? Yeah, we're working with 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:37.440 Eric Abadu. When when? 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:40.400 When I said, uh, I don't know, a couple of 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:42.800 hours when she gets here. She she's taking the bus 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:46.240 down and we're gonna work with her. Said oh, we're okay, 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:49.800 So how long? I said, probably like three days or 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:54.240 something like that. Oh we're three days. Huh, she's staying there. 0:08:55.080 --> 0:09:00.640 I'm not even knowing. I'm falling trap. I said, she's 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:03.920 staying down there. I said, I think so, I said, actually, 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:07.679 I think some convention in town. So she can't even 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:10.400 I don't know if she's like coming from New York 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:13.800 or whatever the case. I think she's like gonna crashing 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:26.800 Tarik's house. I'm not exaggerating what I said. Yeah, because 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:30.440 she the first week of Batleism, Tarik let her stay 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:32.880 in his apartment because he was doing something else. Yeah, 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:36.960 she's gonna stay with Trekan the Motherfuckers was at Sigma 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:40.760 and so then we had a jam that night. 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:42.640 Yeah. 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:46.360 Yeah, we I mean we even get the story so well. 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:50.160 I mean this is that I listened to the work 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:55.160 cassette of day one. We basically I think the other 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:58.520 side of the game came within damn near three minutes 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:00.559 instant aaneously. 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:03.760 Can you so tell us about the song's workload situation, 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:05.200 because I'm like, so. 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:06.360 Can I go back a little bit? 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:06.640 Yeah? 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:09.600 So at Filly National and I started working with this 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:15.640 guy's his name is Fatiene Dance. So me and fatimare 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:17.960 writing songs here and there, doing some gigs. I would 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:20.320 go to overbook and play and he would say, you 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:23.200 know whatever, And one day he hit me like, Yo, 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:25.360 just these girls, I'm writing for it because of Jazzy, 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:26.000 fat nasty. 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:28.079 Come on, man, come down. 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:31.800 So that's when I first met Rich at the house. 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:34.920 And so he came to the house. Yeah okay, and 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:36.559 you guys are on the road I think at the time. 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:39.400 Yeah, absolutely, So I brought the jazz us to Philadelphia 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:42.240 to you know, hopefully work with him or whatever. 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:45.800 So so that's when me and Rich developed this relationship. 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:51.319 Rich Nichols, Rich Nichols, and and that's why Rich already 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:52.120 about me. 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:53.040 What was that? 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:55.600 So was y'all what's the record? Uncle? Vention? 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:56.040 Ways? 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:56.400 Was that? 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:59.920 Yah? Yeah he did that? 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:02.640 Yeah, Nah, I love that record. Man, That was my one. 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:07.840 But I will still maintain that, you know, of all 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:11.080 the projects we had our hands in, I felt that 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:15.720 we went by that project totally wrong. Now, granted, the 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:20.840 fifth beatle Ms situation was Mercedes' brother Jay Swift, producer 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:25.840 of the Far Side, and way before I became known 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:30.080 for being god guy for j Dill's music, the shit 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:34.719 that he did on their record was and this is 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:37.560 way before like what's the four to one one? Really 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:41.559 was the first? Yeah, singers can do what rappers do 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:44.560 to type of thing, because I remember, like when we 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:47.040 first got that thing, we just looked at each other 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:49.920 in the van, like, wait, she an't allowed to sing. 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:52.480 On No Loops? Like what the fuck? 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:55.640 It's like a rap record, like singers allowed to make 0:11:56.160 --> 0:11:57.440 you know, like we were. 0:11:57.840 --> 0:11:59.720 I was against it. I was like, no, it's like 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:00.480 a rap that record. 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:05.680 No, And you know, but before that just broke me 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:08.080 down to like, Okay, this is where R and B 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:11.959 and hip hop really meet, Like the far Side record 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:16.120 was the far Side. The Jazzy Fat Nasty album, or 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:19.600 at least the seven songs that he did was just 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:22.280 like I never heard that level break beat and beat 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:28.320 chopping and all that stuff. And then they got the Philadelphia. 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:29.280 And we just undid all day. 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:34.920 Yeah, and it was cool, but like at one point 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:39.600 they could have pulled a fantastic Volume one, Volume two 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:44.040 level of holy shit that's allowed on the record. And 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:47.440 that's that's the one thing I regret about, like the 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:50.520 world and not seeing the Jazzy Fat Nasties that I saw. 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:52.640 Because those j Siff records would never released. 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:54.640 Yeah no, they weren't. They weren't. 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:58.160 I think at one point we put like one of 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:00.720 their songs in that far and give a dog a 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:07.640 bone was kind of that, like, but yeah, so the 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:10.600 team brings you to the full, which makes total sense. 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:12.120 We were on tour, so we really weren't. 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:14.600 So what's the plan forotball? Doism y'all come? 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:14.800 Like? 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:16.840 How do y'all decide what's what needs to be done? 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:18.920 How her vision she was just. 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:21.439 Full of like I never saw someone just full of 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:25.960 a bunch of ideas. And she mentioned like I'm gonna 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:28.840 I got something that's gonna flip like bad boys, what 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:31.360 you're gonna do like that sort of thing. And I 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:33.640 was like, oh, that's cute. Like she always she had 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:35.400 a lot of courses ready. She was the first person 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:40.240 I met that like instantly had a clever course ready 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:43.760 just in the stash. And so I remember when we 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:47.640 sat down three minutes in instantly, like the first course 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:56.280 he played was just the beginning, matter of fact, what 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:59.200 you're going right? I'm sorry, yes, other side of the game. 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:03.400 So literally, when you hear the work tape and it's 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:07.320 not like you had it in the chamber or something, it. 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:10.440 Just you just all right, bridge here and you just do. 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:17.800 That's dope, and literally we cut that's the take that's 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:21.760 that's the take. Literally, like yeah, so whatnut, What you 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:24.080 know is the other side of the game was musically 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:28.760 a first take and then you and Rich did a 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:30.880 lot of sweetening it up, like the horns, and so 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:33.200 I just knew it as a rhythm track me Hub 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:37.040 and you, and then it came. Yeah, it was like 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:39.160 a full song by the time I got home off 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:42.440 the road and oh, this girl is gonna make it, 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:46.240 you know that sort of thing. And yes, Afro was real, 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:51.080 it was flat. I was asleep by that point, Like I. 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:59.000 Don't with Erica, man, I want to talk specifically about 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:02.600 Mama's Gun. That was your kind of you know, I 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:05.160 don't say your moment, but that was as I understood 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:07.760 that they seeing it top the bottom, that was kind 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:11.280 of your executive you know, this producer decision. Talk about 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:13.320 that record, man oh man. 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:18.120 So just know that I had to leave the Voodoo Tour. 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:23.960 I was I don't even know who did y'all replace? 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:24.680 Change? 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:27.280 Okay, okay, okay, JS. 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:32.000 We started the Voodoo Tour in March first of two 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:34.760 thousand and all I remember is that we had the 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:39.160 eighty six Natalie Cole out of the theater for fight I. 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:40.280 Don't understand what you're saying. 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:43.640 I don't understand what the women were. 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:45.400 I know what that means, dude. 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:49.920 The first week of Voodoo at the House of Blues 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:55.880 was like Chippendale, and then it got bad. 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:58.920 It was then halfway through the tour take it. 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:04.360 Off the first eighteen minutes and mind you, we're preparing 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:08.520 like this three hour extravaganza of every musical reference in 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:12.040 the sun. Amazingly, they're looking at they watched it. Okay, 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:14.520 what song are you gonna take your shirt off on? 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:16.600 Which is crazy because to me, that at least to 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:18.680 where he is today and not like that just ran 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:20.640 him away from wanting to be that person anymore in. 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:23.320 A way, but he's actually back to that day. 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:29.080 Oh is it? Look at you? 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:32.200 No pressure, mister, no pressure, Do what you need to 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:33.640 do to be comfortable and healthy. 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:37.400 Sir, good, yeah, mama, yes, yes, yes. 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:41.280 So yeah. That album almost killed me man, like well 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:45.160 towards the end of it, where we were working in 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:48.600 four different studios at the same time, and I like 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:52.200 all three rooms an electric lady, and I was stuck 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:54.000 in the studio without going to the hotel for a 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:59.760 few days, and I had a beard I'm a common 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:01.440 come into this and I want to post a note 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:07.560 like help. And then I had a stress attack and 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:09.760 the top half of my body stopped working. I couldn't 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:11.479 move my own Yeah, I had. 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:12.639 It was that extreme. 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:14.240 I went to the hospital. I thought they thought I 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:16.200 had a stroke, but it was just a stress attacking. Wow, 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:19.399 it was I was dealing with I was dealing with Erica, 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:23.160 and I was I was trying to insulate her from 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:26.120 the label they were, you know, doing it. I was, Yeah, 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:27.600 I was dealing with all of that, and it was 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:30.119 it was a lot. What was what were they pushing for? 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:33.320 Let's get this going now, we need this record now, 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:35.480 we need to get this record now. And Erica was 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:38.600 just like, I'm moving to my own speed, you know 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:41.760 what I mean. And Erica's funny, man, because I don't 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:43.840 know if y'all knowiced, Well should I say this, yes? 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:44.240 Yes? 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:46.880 If you look at the c D, oh the track 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:47.440 list is wrong? 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:50.760 No no, no, Not only that, yeah, that, but the color 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:52.680 if you look at the color on the outside and 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:55.560 then look at the actual color of the CD, two 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:58.679 different reds. If you notice that. And that was just 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:00.719 her being like, ya, ain't tell me what to do. 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:06.000 That's wait, okay, sidetrack. 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:08.840 When you buy the forty five of what's going on, 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:13.040 towards the last thirty seconds, there's this thing where you 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:19.159 are the fake going on and literally Marvion, that was 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:21.919 Marvin Gaye's middle finger in the back, like, tell me 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:22.680 what to do? 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:24.960 I want to do that right and wow. 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:26.840 So it doesn't give you warm and fuzzy feelings to 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:28.040 talk about it? 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:29.520 Do I really want to ask you about green Eyes? 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:33.119 It's like, that was one of the greatest experiences I 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:34.200 had in this business. 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:36.479 Erica's no, I know that amazing. 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:40.400 She's called me. I'm a she's my studio wife. I'm 0:18:40.400 --> 0:18:42.320 a studio husband. 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:44.320 So can you talk about green Eyes? I'm just my 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:45.760 mom's gonna come just because. 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:47.440 So green Eyes we wrote in Dallas. 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:51.800 She has this old beat up green upright piano that's 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:54.240 out of tune AND's got paint on it and champbell 0:18:54.320 --> 0:18:58.639 wax everywhere and have the piano key sts and we 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:02.680 wrote the song there. You know, it went down there. 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:04.880 And it just when did you decide to like, did 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:06.680 the song always have so many changes in it? Because 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:08.280 that to me great, That's why it stands out because 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:09.800 it's like it changes with her mind. 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:13.560 That's her, that's she's she's super creative and wants to 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:17.280 you know, she you know, she'll do wherever. You know 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:19.119 you got to try and you don't want to. You 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:20.960 can't ring her in, but you just let her do 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:22.520 what she wants to do, and just trying to help 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:23.959 her get her ideas out. 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:30.159 And you know, I remember, was y'all forcing me? I was. 0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:33.520 I was definitely the night of the ok Player, New 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:36.040 York Show. Were y'all on that tour with us? This 0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:39.679 was old The cover of the Roots Come Alive is 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:40.840 that the night of. 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:42.480 I wasn't there that night. I didn't we ain't come 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:43.440 alongst like old. 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:47.080 Three ish stell okay, okay later yeah, yeah, Like all 0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:53.800 I remember was that I was throat bleeding level of sickness. 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:57.400 And you were asleep on the dones well playing dog anything. 0:19:57.280 --> 0:20:02.160 Clever, we're not only tracking in vidual songs like from 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:06.720 what I remember, Clever kissed me on my neck like 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:09.199 she wanted to do it as a sweet and I 0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:12.000 was like, look, let's just cut one song. And then 0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:14.679 you know when you go to master like a hatchet 0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:20.760 and make it like no, she's right, Booty and the 0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:25.800 three of them, and she came in gave me a 0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:29.159 barth bucket. There's one point in at the very end 0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:31.080 of Clever, I'm so mad you all to me, you know, 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:35.520 the anger that you feel on on wake Up when 0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:38.680 we didn't put the delay or what's the last song. 0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:41.320 Waiting for Superman? 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:50.119 That's all yes, and we didn't put the I'm so mad, 0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:55.040 Like I was trying to sabotage Clever so that y'all 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:57.040 can say, look, just go home and come back again. 0:20:57.560 --> 0:20:59.680 So this is a point where I started doing. 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:03.199 Like I was like, I'm drumming bass right now on 0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:06.439 the rim Shot, and I was just trying to funk. 0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:08.000 Up on purpose, and y'all kept all this. 0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:11.000 That's what you get. 0:21:11.840 --> 0:21:12.040 Man. 0:21:13.160 --> 0:21:14.640 Did your production work as well? 0:21:14.680 --> 0:21:17.800 Man, My probably my favorite projectably both of y'all was 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:20.480 one of my favorite projects, the Algreen Laid Down album. 0:21:20.880 --> 0:21:21.640 Man, I want to talk. 0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:24.200