WEBVTT - Microsoft Gets Green Light to Buy Activision

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<v Speaker 1>From the heart of where innovation, money and power Collie

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<v Speaker 1>in Silicon Valley, NBN. This is Bloomberg Technology with Caroline

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<v Speaker 1>Hide and Ed Ludlow.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Caroline Hide Bloomberg's melted quarters in New York. Ed Ludlow,

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<v Speaker 2>He's an assignment in Sun Valley. This is Bloomberg Technology.

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<v Speaker 3>Coming up. Microsoft wins us CORT approval to move.

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<v Speaker 2>Forward with its sixty nine billion dollar deal for Activision Blizzard.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll discuss the next steps of the.

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<v Speaker 2>FTC face as a loss in blocking the biggest ever

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<v Speaker 2>gaming deal plus Amazon Prime Day kicks off shop is

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<v Speaker 2>expected to spend upwards of thirteen billion dollars or break

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<v Speaker 2>down what to expect from the e commerce giants, and

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<v Speaker 2>we go live to Ed.

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<v Speaker 3>Ludlow in Sun Valley, Idaho.

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<v Speaker 2>Billionaires also to send on the mountains for their annual

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<v Speaker 2>gathering or break down what to expect as artificial intelligence,

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<v Speaker 2>future streaming, and of course there's massive gaming deals dominate

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<v Speaker 2>the conversation. Let's dig in on the Minushai to deal

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<v Speaker 2>with Microsoft's court when here in the US we've got

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<v Speaker 2>Bloomberg's Malati Nayak with us. Who's covering this trial day

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<v Speaker 2>in day out for US and Malati. Before I start

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<v Speaker 2>asking you about the UK, just dwell on what's happening

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<v Speaker 2>in the United States right now, because it felt like

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<v Speaker 2>you'd already called it that the judge seemed to be

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<v Speaker 2>erring towards Microsoft and Activision.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right. You know, we did see in the last

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<v Speaker 4>round of questioning by the judge that she was really

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<v Speaker 4>asking the FTC for a lot of evidence that they

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<v Speaker 4>were unable to sort of come up with in court.

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<v Speaker 4>So today we have a ruling with the judge has

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<v Speaker 4>denied a preliminary injunction, which is basically a request by

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<v Speaker 4>the agency to block the deal while the while it's

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<v Speaker 4>longer in a challenge to the deal, is spending. But

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<v Speaker 4>as we've seen, you know, something similar happened with Meta

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<v Speaker 4>and Meta's acquisition within and that deal was also sort

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<v Speaker 4>of a loss for the FTC at this stage, and

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<v Speaker 4>the FTC backed out. So it's possible that you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the FDC will back out because there is an administrative

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<v Speaker 4>sort of a court case that the FDC still has

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<v Speaker 4>spending against Microsoft, a sort of internal court case. That's

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<v Speaker 4>that's you know, going to happen in the next couple

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<v Speaker 4>of weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so it's not a full gone conclusion, but we

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<v Speaker 2>anticipate and certainly the market anticipates that it's more likely

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<v Speaker 2>to get done ultimately. How much of a knock is

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<v Speaker 2>this to the FTC, as you say, they seem to

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<v Speaker 2>be trying to take on really tough cases here.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, this has been a big test for

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<v Speaker 4>the FTC's ability, especially when it comes to challenging big

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<v Speaker 4>tech MNA deals. They really needed this win, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>especially after what happened. This is coming, you know, just

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<v Speaker 4>very close in the you know, on the heels of

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<v Speaker 4>what happened with FTC and FTC challenge to Meta and within.

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<v Speaker 4>So it just seems like even in speaking with a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of folks who were in court the merger arb charges,

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<v Speaker 4>they were very very closely watching this case because I

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<v Speaker 4>think they were interested in seeing where the FTC might

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<v Speaker 4>go moving forward. You know, is the FDC actually bringing

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<v Speaker 4>some cases which are leading to this sort of losing streak.

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<v Speaker 4>Do they have to sort of think perhaps carefully about

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<v Speaker 4>battles that they want to sort of sort of enter

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<v Speaker 4>and sort of win. So we'll have to see what

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<v Speaker 4>happens next in terms of FTC moving forward with other deals,

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<v Speaker 4>but we've seen already, you know, Chairman Lina Khan, She's

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<v Speaker 4>just been one of the most aggressive tresbusters we've seen

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<v Speaker 4>in the US in decades. So we'll have to see

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<v Speaker 4>what the FTC decides to do next after this particular ruling.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure Amazon is keeping a close eye as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Alasin Naya, thank you so much for bringing us the expertise.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's just get the Microsoft angle, an Andy, the International

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<v Speaker 2>angle next to Bruemmegsdina Bass and Diana. I'm sure this

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be joyous Forasati and Adela, and indeed

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<v Speaker 2>Bobby Kotek, They're both going to be over there in

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<v Speaker 2>Sun Valley. But there are still some stumbling blocks. What

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<v Speaker 2>do you make of the headline around Microsoft and activision

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<v Speaker 2>in the UKCMA, the Competition Markets Authority also perhaps pausing

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<v Speaker 2>that litigation.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, all eyes.

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<v Speaker 5>Around the CMA right now. The minute that this ruling

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<v Speaker 5>came out this morning, everybody's attention turned away from that

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<v Speaker 5>courton in California and across the pond to the UK,

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<v Speaker 5>which is the remaining stumbling block for this deal. Now

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<v Speaker 5>the CMA has just in the last couple of minutes

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<v Speaker 5>said that they are willing to consider any proposals for

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<v Speaker 5>Microsoft to restructure the transaction in a manner that would

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<v Speaker 5>address their concerns, and as a result, they and Microsoft

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<v Speaker 5>and Activision have asked the court in the UK to

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<v Speaker 5>pause the litigation so that they can focus on proposals.

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<v Speaker 5>Microsoft has issued statement as well, saying that they still

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<v Speaker 5>don't agree with the CMA's objections, but they are interested

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<v Speaker 5>in trying to find a way to resolve them.

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<v Speaker 2>Two the FTC's perspective, have they kind of won a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit, or indeed, have competition authorities at least gleaned

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<v Speaker 2>some sort of changes to the ultimate deal to ensure

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<v Speaker 2>that that might be competition.

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<v Speaker 6>Is this almost a win win on every side, Dina.

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<v Speaker 7>So I don't know that the FTC will see it

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<v Speaker 7>that way. We'd have to ask.

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<v Speaker 8>The judge actually made that point in court at one point,

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<v Speaker 8>saying that you know the fact that Microsoft had signed

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<v Speaker 8>some of these agreements to put call of duty on

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<v Speaker 8>other platforms and he was willing to sign on with

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<v Speaker 8>Sony meant to the FTC on some level had already won.

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<v Speaker 7>And you know, when you look.

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<v Speaker 9>Through her ruling, it was one of the reasons that

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<v Speaker 9>she found the FTC's case was not persuasive, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>is that Microsoft had from the minute the deal was announced,

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<v Speaker 9>it made it clear that they wanted to, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>to put it on other platforms. She made similar arguments

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<v Speaker 9>on some of the arguments the FTC was making on

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<v Speaker 9>lack of you know, worse than the competitive picture and

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<v Speaker 9>cloud gaming as well as gaming subscriptions, you know, in

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<v Speaker 9>those areas. She seemed to find some of Microsoft's arguments

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<v Speaker 9>more persuasive than the FTCs.

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<v Speaker 2>How big a relief is this to Brasmith and Vestia now, well, again.

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<v Speaker 9>They still to get through the CMA that you have

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<v Speaker 9>to realize that if the judge ruled the opposite wave

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<v Speaker 9>she had issued a preliminary injunction.

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<v Speaker 3>The deal was on the dead.

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<v Speaker 5>Bobby Kodik, while on the stand, said that, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>if there was a preliminary injunction issued, his board was

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<v Speaker 5>likely back away.

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<v Speaker 7>From the deal.

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<v Speaker 9>Microsoft made a similar point in their preliminary filings in

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<v Speaker 9>the case there was really not a way forward for

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<v Speaker 9>this deal if the judge had issued a preliminary injunction.

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<v Speaker 5>They still have to get through the UK situation.

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<v Speaker 2>As you say, all eyes on the UK now and

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<v Speaker 2>the CMA Deana Bass, brilliant to have you on. Thank

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<v Speaker 2>you so much for the latest on Microsoft's perspective to

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<v Speaker 2>that ruling.

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<v Speaker 3>Meanwhile, coming up, Amazon Prime.

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<v Speaker 6>Day kicks off and Shop was prepared to spend millions.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll get inside the head of Amazon W John Felton,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm pleased to say, Amazon Senior vice president of worldwide Operations. Meanwhile, look,

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<v Speaker 2>there are other deals that still are being assessed by

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<v Speaker 2>certain authorities.

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<v Speaker 3>And VMware is currently.

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<v Speaker 2>Jumping more than five and a half percent as you

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<v Speaker 2>can see session highs on an FT report that the

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<v Speaker 2>EU is set to clear its own sixty nine billion

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<v Speaker 2>dollar acquisition by Broadcom. So all eyes on these competition

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<v Speaker 2>authorities at the moment.

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<v Speaker 3>From New York, this is Bloomberg. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 3>you noticed, but Amazon Prime Day is underweight.

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<v Speaker 2>Shop is estimated to eclipse last year's spend of twelve

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<v Speaker 2>billion dollars worldwide. For more on what we can expect,

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<v Speaker 2>let's bring in Punum Goil from Bloomberg Intelligence right here

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<v Speaker 2>in New York.

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<v Speaker 3>So please to have you Punum here.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm expecting consumers to be enticed as much as previous years.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this going to be the biggest ever. It should

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<v Speaker 2>be the biggest ever.

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<v Speaker 3>It always is.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, consumers are focused on value, right, so Prime Day

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<v Speaker 10>just brings value back up front consumers. Mind, there are

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<v Speaker 10>our deals, there have been deals all year, but I

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<v Speaker 10>can tell you just from what I've been seeing all

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<v Speaker 10>day is that the deals are bigger than they have

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<v Speaker 10>been all year. They're rolling out lightning deals. Some things

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<v Speaker 10>are already sold out, so I think consumers will just

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<v Speaker 10>be watching and seeing a lot of consumers are saying

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<v Speaker 10>that they have a list going into Prime Day, so

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<v Speaker 10>clearly budget focused. And then there are many fifty percent

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<v Speaker 10>according to our survey, that will just buy as they

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<v Speaker 10>see deals.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so looking for value.

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<v Speaker 2>What about sort of the global perspective of this as well?

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<v Speaker 2>How does the Prime Day offering vary? I'm looking at

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<v Speaker 2>a US offering. What does it look like in the

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<v Speaker 2>UK and Europe?

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<v Speaker 10>Well, remember Prime Day? If you think about like just

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<v Speaker 10>Prime members, right, one hundred and sixty million of the

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<v Speaker 10>two hundred plus million members are in the US, so

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<v Speaker 10>it is definitely largely a US event, but it is

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<v Speaker 10>also international and everywhere across the world. I think everyone

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<v Speaker 10>is crunched for cash right now. Infestrates are higher, there

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<v Speaker 10>are macro economic tensions, your political tensions around the world,

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<v Speaker 10>so the value proposition that Amazon offers on Prime Day

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<v Speaker 10>will also be sought after abroad as well as here.

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<v Speaker 2>And just remind us how important is to the overall

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<v Speaker 2>company and indeed there for the investor, because what's interesting

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<v Speaker 2>in the last few years, you've actually seen a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a sell off of sort of a fade into

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<v Speaker 2>Prime Day from a stock perspective.

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<v Speaker 10>I think it's important in it's eight percent of the

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<v Speaker 10>quarter's sales and just two so clearly still very important

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<v Speaker 10>for Amazon. But also it keeps Amazon top of mind,

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<v Speaker 10>right so as you think about consumers shopping for the summer,

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<v Speaker 10>for back to school and even the holidays. You know,

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<v Speaker 10>we're hearing people are shopping for the holidays as early

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<v Speaker 10>as right now. So it just keeps some relevant, It

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<v Speaker 10>keeps some top of mind. It shows that we have

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<v Speaker 10>everything here and you can buy it. But Amazon's not

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<v Speaker 10>the only one offering deals today and tomorrow. If we've

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<v Speaker 10>seen Target Circle Week, we've seen Walmart, you know, doing

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<v Speaker 10>its Plus week, So there's a lot going on outside too.

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<v Speaker 3>There's always a competition. Pun I'm Goyl.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much breaking it down from Blue Meg

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<v Speaker 2>Intelligence and look, we can go straight to the horse's

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<v Speaker 2>mouth right now. I'm very pleased to welcome John Felton,

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<v Speaker 2>Amazon Senior vice president of worldwide Operations, who's.

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<v Speaker 3>Probably having a pretty busy day.

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<v Speaker 5>John.

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<v Speaker 6>So we're appreciative if you're fitting us in.

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean you have caused a sensation. Other companies

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<v Speaker 2>do try to copy you on the same day at

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<v Speaker 2>the same sort of a time. How do you set

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<v Speaker 2>yourselves apart and keep people wanting to come back?

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, it's Christmas in July, and it's one of our

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<v Speaker 11>favorite times a year. We're noppening into our ninth prime

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<v Speaker 11>day and so really exciting about it. It has just become

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<v Speaker 11>kind of its own events, which we love. This year,

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<v Speaker 11>I do expect to be bigger than ever. We've got

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<v Speaker 11>more deals than ever before. We've got millions and millions

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<v Speaker 11>of deals. They're dropping every thirty minutes, and so we're

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<v Speaker 11>really excited about what we're seeing so far and the

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<v Speaker 11>things I'm thinking about. It's like, we got fifty percent

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<v Speaker 11>off the top selling toys, percent off the top selling

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<v Speaker 11>TVs was seventy five percent off amazonderleasss there really is

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<v Speaker 11>a deal for.

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<v Speaker 7>Everybody out there.

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<v Speaker 11>I've even got friends who they use Prime Data kind

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<v Speaker 11>of shop for their everyday essentials of kind of getting

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<v Speaker 11>the tooth base, getting.

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<v Speaker 7>The shampoo, and so it's a really big day.

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<v Speaker 11>We're since society kind of thank Prime members for their loyalty,

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<v Speaker 11>and the best way we know how to do that.

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<v Speaker 7>Is give them value and give them savings.

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<v Speaker 11>One stat that I still still think is amazing is

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<v Speaker 11>last year Prime members saved one point seven billion dollars

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<v Speaker 11>and we're hoping to explic the clips out this year

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<v Speaker 11>and make.

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<v Speaker 3>It more personal.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you using technology in and of itself to

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<v Speaker 2>try and make sure that I feel targeted in the

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<v Speaker 2>right way.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, that's a great question.

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<v Speaker 11>A lot of our AI technology is really focused on

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<v Speaker 11>the personalization. You'll even see it this year differently kind

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<v Speaker 11>of when you look at the website for yourself, it's

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<v Speaker 11>different than looking at it for your friends. We are

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<v Speaker 11>working kind of day and night to keep improving a personalization,

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<v Speaker 11>building kind of an AI technology to really help that.

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<v Speaker 11>So we give you a really customized experience you can

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<v Speaker 11>find the deals that work for you.

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<v Speaker 2>And also using Alexa right not only you able to

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<v Speaker 2>sort of buy the latest Alexa, but you can use

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<v Speaker 2>it to shop too.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, there's some great new Alextra features we have now.

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<v Speaker 11>Is anything that's in your kind of your shopping cart

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<v Speaker 11>right now? And and you're wishless? Anything unsaved for later

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<v Speaker 11>if it goes on deal or Lexa will announce it

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<v Speaker 11>to you and let you know, Hey, this just went

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<v Speaker 11>on a great deal.

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<v Speaker 7>Do you want to buy it?

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<v Speaker 11>And so at Helping customers find the deal that's right

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<v Speaker 11>for them, helping with their most excited core is really

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<v Speaker 11>what's Fine Day.

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<v Speaker 7>Is all about.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, we can see people behind you busily at work.

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<v Speaker 2>How much of a logistical feat is that? How much

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<v Speaker 2>work you have to put in? How ensuring are you

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<v Speaker 2>that you're sort of as close to the customer as

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<v Speaker 2>you can be.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, let's see what we plan for months for Prime Day.

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<v Speaker 11>And I've kind I'm here in Melville, New York, in

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<v Speaker 11>a sub Same Day building, and they're just excited. The

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<v Speaker 11>employees here are excited. They love Prime Day as much

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<v Speaker 11>as Prime members do. And so you can feel the excitement.

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<v Speaker 11>You can feel the buzz in here, and everyone's expended

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<v Speaker 11>to go to deliver all the gifts we have.

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<v Speaker 3>What about the robots.

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<v Speaker 7>The robots are also behind me.

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<v Speaker 11>There's now seven hundred and fifty thousand of them running around,

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<v Speaker 11>so you can kind of see that the shelf kind

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<v Speaker 11>of comes to the employee right now. And so that's

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<v Speaker 11>what we felt kind of really good about kind of

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<v Speaker 11>our robotic technology. It's how do we help our employees

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<v Speaker 11>kind of do their jobs better, how do we help

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<v Speaker 11>them do it safer, how do we help them do

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<v Speaker 11>it more productively, and how do they kind of really

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<v Speaker 11>enjoy the collaborative experience with the robots.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, with great success comes great responsibility, and there

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<v Speaker 2>has been that focus on ensuring that the workforce labor.

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<v Speaker 3>Is treated right.

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<v Speaker 2>There's also it seems to be a focus on, well

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<v Speaker 2>that you're supporting small business here. Just tell us, sister,

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<v Speaker 2>why you're looking at that and why perhaps you don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to seem like you're meeting everyone's lunch.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, it's exactly right. Small business is incredibly for it.

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<v Speaker 11>It's been powering Amazon for years. Sixty percent of everything

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<v Speaker 11>we sell is from small businesses, and there's a lot

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<v Speaker 11>of new features that we have on the website this year.

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<v Speaker 11>We recently app launched the ability to kind of filter

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<v Speaker 11>your surf results by small business results. I was actually

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<v Speaker 11>playing around with this this morning, and we're doing hot sauce,

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<v Speaker 11>and I was able to find kind of hot sauce

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<v Speaker 11>than your small businesses that are supporting in logout where

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<v Speaker 11>I'm at right now, and so really kind of helping

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<v Speaker 11>small businesses be successful.

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<v Speaker 7>Small businesses are kind of a lot of the drivers

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<v Speaker 7>of the growth.

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<v Speaker 11>They're getting more deals in ever of this Prime Day,

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<v Speaker 11>and so we're really excited about how do we support them.

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<v Speaker 2>Does the consumer ultimately not just talk the talk but

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<v Speaker 2>walk the walk on that, Do they really care about

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<v Speaker 2>small businesses? Do they really care about the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>you're perhaps closer to them, so less of an environmental perspective.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you see from the consumer?

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<v Speaker 7>That's what we're seeing is consumers are having a great

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<v Speaker 7>Prime day to day.

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<v Speaker 11>One of the things I've been kind of happy with

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<v Speaker 11>is I do think of the US consumer, even the

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<v Speaker 11>global consumer. They've got high they're doing with high inflation,

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<v Speaker 11>high interest rates, but they've been surprisingly resilient. They continue

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<v Speaker 11>to kind of come back, but they are looking.

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<v Speaker 7>For value, and that's what Prime Day is.

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<v Speaker 11>How do we kind of bring them as much value,

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<v Speaker 11>and this idea we can save them billions of dollars

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<v Speaker 11>on Prime Day is just a tremendous dialareble to offer customers.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course the reason they want value is because

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<v Speaker 2>the economy is in a much tougher position, and Amazon

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<v Speaker 2>itself has been having to ensure that it's focused much

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<v Speaker 2>more on costs, having to make tough choices, laying off people.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm interested as to really how optimistic you are going

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<v Speaker 2>past Prime Day that the consumer is there to support

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<v Speaker 2>your business.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm optimistic.

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<v Speaker 11>I still have a lot of optimism in the US

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<v Speaker 11>economy and the US consumer.

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<v Speaker 7>They continue to show up. I agree they are.

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<v Speaker 11>They're they're looking for value, and we need to make

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<v Speaker 11>sure we're able to kind of be best on price,

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<v Speaker 11>best on speed. I'm in a sub same day building,

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<v Speaker 11>so these items here are being able to delivered in four

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<v Speaker 11>or five hours. So to be able to get your

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<v Speaker 11>Prime Day order on the same day within four hours,

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<v Speaker 11>it's an amazing feed. This business itself is subday same

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<v Speaker 11>day business. We're over fifty percent in the first quarter,

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<v Speaker 11>and so it's really resonating with consumers that they're looking

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<v Speaker 11>for speed and convenience price.

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<v Speaker 2>Jean Felton, busy day. We'll let you get back to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Amazon the SVP for worldwide operations. We thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>your time. Time now for talking tech. First Up, Tata

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<v Speaker 2>is closing in on a deal to become the first

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<v Speaker 2>Indian iPhone maker, and the company is set to buy

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<v Speaker 2>an Apple Supplies factory as soon as August in an

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<v Speaker 2>effort to increase the plant's employment and expand output, according

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<v Speaker 2>to Bloomberg reporting. Meanwhile, Uber seeing its biggest ever executive

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<v Speaker 2>departure since going public. Chief financial officer Neilson Chai is

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<v Speaker 2>planning to leave the right hailing giant. Try informed CEO

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<v Speaker 2>Dora Koslshahi of his intentions to move on, though a

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<v Speaker 2>decision on timing hasn't yet been made. I was tapped

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<v Speaker 2>by Koslshahi in twenty eighteen to lead the listing.

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<v Speaker 6>Plus, an artificial intelligence researcher who co authored one of

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<v Speaker 6>Google's most influential.

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<v Speaker 3>Papers, is leaving the company to launch a startup.

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<v Speaker 2>Employee who helped write the pioneering AI paper, Attention is

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<v Speaker 2>All You Need confirm to Bloomberg that he will depart

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<v Speaker 2>Google Japan later this month. Some of the biggest names.

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<v Speaker 2>Meanwhile in technology, media and business, well guess where they

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<v Speaker 2>are the Idahoo Mountains for the Allen and Coe Sun

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<v Speaker 2>Valley Conference, also dubbed Look the Summer Camber Billionaires. The

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<v Speaker 2>annual summit features a series of big picture panels, many

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<v Speaker 2>of which will focus on the rise of art, traditional

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<v Speaker 2>intelligence of course, also the future streaming and well m

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<v Speaker 2>and a as it stands, a Red Ludlow, you're on site.

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<v Speaker 6>You're in some valley, Idaho, and boy, they're all going to.

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<v Speaker 2>Be talking about that sixty nine billion dollar deal.

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<v Speaker 12>Right, yeah, yeah, we have news. It will be front

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<v Speaker 12>and center. You know you were talking earlier in Bloombo

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<v Speaker 12>Technology of Dina Bass. Imagine if the decision had gone

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<v Speaker 12>the other way. But Bobby Kotik is here this week

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<v Speaker 12>in some valley. I understand that Sacha and Adela will

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<v Speaker 12>be here too, And what a blow this is to

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<v Speaker 12>the FTC in CMA. When I touched down last night

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<v Speaker 12>in between the mountains, the sun setting on the bluetiful landscape,

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<v Speaker 12>I was thinking about Lee Na Kahan and the FTC

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<v Speaker 12>because actually this year there's a real emphasis on the

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<v Speaker 12>history of some value, which is Telecom's technology and media

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<v Speaker 12>or TMT and deals, and last year there was only

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<v Speaker 12>one story Elon Musk's purchase of Twitter. But all the

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<v Speaker 12>breaking news of this morning puts the landscape for deals

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<v Speaker 12>in this sector front and center for the attendees. We

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<v Speaker 12>might see some more activity, now.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not the only sixty nine billion dollar deal even.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean the fact that Brawcom looks like it might

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<v Speaker 2>get VMware according to the Fts, so some really big

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<v Speaker 2>major chip steals. And indeed, as we've seen gaming deals,

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<v Speaker 2>but talk to us about the world of streaming and indeed,

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<v Speaker 2>well content really yeah, we're potentially seeing art mimic life

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit with succession.

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<v Speaker 12>I love that arc mimicking life. You know, the streaming

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<v Speaker 12>story is also one of all of the names involved.

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<v Speaker 12>You know, the top ranks of Netflix will be here,

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<v Speaker 12>David'sarslove w Warner Brothers, Discovery, and I understand that in

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<v Speaker 12>the last couple of minutes, Bob Iger has just walked

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<v Speaker 12>through the front door of some valley. I think if

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<v Speaker 12>there's a deal that we pick out, it might be

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<v Speaker 12>Hulu because remember that Comcast retains a third of Hulu

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<v Speaker 12>with an option to enforce Disney to buy out its stake.

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<v Speaker 12>My understanding is that Brian Roberts Comcast isn't here this week,

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<v Speaker 12>but it's one that everyone's watching because the current valuations

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<v Speaker 12>like twenty seven billion dollars. I know that Disney don't

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<v Speaker 12>think it should be that much if they were to

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<v Speaker 12>buy out the remaining Steak.

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<v Speaker 7>And then Eiger, what's his future? I remember a.

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<v Speaker 12>Year ago when I was here, he arrived with Bob Chaypeck.

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<v Speaker 12>He just retired. Chapeck had taken the reins and how

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<v Speaker 12>long did that last? Not long at all, and it

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<v Speaker 12>was already awkward. Then he was already under pressure because

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<v Speaker 12>Disney was not having a great time this time a

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<v Speaker 12>year ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and now we're all lying as to who he's

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<v Speaker 2>come with now, from those heading up the TV part

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<v Speaker 2>of Disney, those heading up on the.

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<v Speaker 3>Parks as well.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm interested in not only sort of some of

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<v Speaker 2>the succession planning and some of the individuals, but individuals

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<v Speaker 2>of old.

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<v Speaker 3>What's so interesting you mentioned we were all.

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<v Speaker 2>Talking Elon Musk this time last year, and that it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Deal his deal for Twitter.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, now we're thinking about the competition.

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<v Speaker 3>For Twitter.

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<v Speaker 12>Mark Zuckerberg Yet, will he be the man of the moment.

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<v Speaker 12>You know you and I have talked every day about Threads,

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<v Speaker 12>every milestone, one hundred million on the show twenty four

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<v Speaker 12>hours ago. I remember twenty twenty one, the New York

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<v Speaker 12>Times published that big story about how Mark Zuckerberg's relationship

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<v Speaker 12>Michelle Sandberg had deteriorated because of how she had handled Facebook.

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<v Speaker 12>Now Meta's relationship with Washington, DC, and I remember being there.

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<v Speaker 12>A guess who walks past smiling ear Mark Zuckerberg and

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<v Speaker 12>Cheryl Samdberg very different vibe. Now he could be the

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<v Speaker 12>main man everyone wants to talk to.

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<v Speaker 3>I can imagine.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm sure you're going to be giving us live

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<v Speaker 2>updates on threads and Twitter and whatever other social medium.

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<v Speaker 3>Form you're going to be taking.

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<v Speaker 2>Ed Ludlow live in some valley, Idaho.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome back to LUMO Technology. I'm Caroen Hide in New York.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get onto the individual intricacies of another asset type crypto. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>we know that all regulators benign that particular space, particularly

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<v Speaker 2>here in the United States, and well look at the

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<v Speaker 2>SEC in particular, It's power over crypto just seems to

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<v Speaker 2>be growing. SEC Chair Gary Gensler filling the crypto regulatory

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<v Speaker 2>void at the moment, I want to dig into that,

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<v Speaker 2>and some of the push from big institutions still want

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<v Speaker 2>to get in on the space. Avalad's president John Woo

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<v Speaker 2>joins us and place to say along with our very

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<v Speaker 2>own Chinnali Basek crypto expert in residence, and let's start

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<v Speaker 2>the journal a little bit as to how the mood

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<v Speaker 2>feels right now, because last time we've come on, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>peak bank crisis, peak worries and trials and tribulations to crypto,

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<v Speaker 2>we can seem to be in a holding pattern right now.

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<v Speaker 13>Well, I think the mood for practitioners like ourselves who

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<v Speaker 13>are operating the space is obviously better ever since, ever

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<v Speaker 13>since Frankly, Larry Fink, black Rock, Fidelity and all these

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<v Speaker 13>big players aside to refile for their ETF. It's a

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<v Speaker 13>big short of confidence that not only do they think

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<v Speaker 13>they're in individual users, we're talking about nine trillion of

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<v Speaker 13>assets at black Rock, five trillion of fidelities are interested

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<v Speaker 13>in the space. But I have a deep succission that

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<v Speaker 13>Larry Fink realizes now based on its comments, that there

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<v Speaker 13>is real use case and it's useful to tokenize financial

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<v Speaker 13>assets to streamline operations.

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<v Speaker 3>He was so skeptical. He was so skeptical.

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<v Speaker 13>We just quotes from seventeen eighteen versus twenty two to

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<v Speaker 13>twenty three complete about face, and that's what makes me

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<v Speaker 13>very excited. We need new leaders into the space.

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<v Speaker 14>But if you have a crypto industry that was supposed

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<v Speaker 14>to be separate from Wall Street, and you have a

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<v Speaker 14>Wall Street giant stepping into the crypto industry, why embrace it?

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<v Speaker 14>If you're kind of a crypto native here, if you

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<v Speaker 14>believe that there should be another system, then what is

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<v Speaker 14>the point of Blackrock getting in.

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<v Speaker 13>I think there will be two worlds. There will be

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<v Speaker 13>the white glove service that a black Rock provides low fees, custody, etc. Etc.

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<v Speaker 13>And then there are the deeper intricacies where only a

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<v Speaker 13>native crypto firm like Ava Labs really really understands all

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<v Speaker 13>the stuff that Larry Fink is talking about. Of the

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<v Speaker 13>Labs already provides in what we call a subnetwork, which

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<v Speaker 13>is a blockchain that's a service with a software development

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<v Speaker 13>kit that has all the features for compliance and use cases.

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<v Speaker 13>In fact, we've already partnered with Wisdom Tree, with Wellington

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<v Speaker 13>and t Road doing similar things. So I'm excited because

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<v Speaker 13>it lends more credibility to space.

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<v Speaker 14>What about Coinbase, Let's talk about it for a second,

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<v Speaker 14>because Blackrock chose a crypto firm, Coinbase, to deal with

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<v Speaker 14>its custody of bitcoin. On the same time, there's a

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<v Speaker 14>lot of questions about feed compression when it comes to

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<v Speaker 14>the bitcoin space. How do you kind of net out

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<v Speaker 14>the effect here for a firm like Coinbase as more

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<v Speaker 14>ETF get in.

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<v Speaker 13>Yeah, absolutely, there's definitely going to be feed compression on

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<v Speaker 13>the retail side. On the institutional side, Coinbase is making

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<v Speaker 13>huge strides. In fact, I think five of the all

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<v Speaker 13>five of the top ETF filers, Blackrock as well as

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<v Speaker 13>CBOE are using Coinbase as a surveillance partner. Now, if

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<v Speaker 13>these mega traditional financial institutions trust coinbas maybe the agencies

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<v Speaker 13>will have to also reevaluate if they trust them as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Chanani, I mean, with your expertise, the way you're following

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<v Speaker 2>it at the moment, What about the regulatory overhang, because

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<v Speaker 2>that's what we've been talking about for the first few months,

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<v Speaker 2>and then now with black rol come with these big institutions,

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<v Speaker 2>what about SEC what about CFTC.

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<v Speaker 14>Yeah, I mean I think that there's been this big

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<v Speaker 14>expectation that the SEC will come in and just approve

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<v Speaker 14>these ETFs, but we've seen many years go by without

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<v Speaker 14>that happening. At the same time here, I mean, I'm wondering,

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<v Speaker 14>you know, how hesitant are Wall Street firms to get in.

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<v Speaker 14>And the issue we've been talking about on the sidelines

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<v Speaker 14>here is not just the ETF world, but also just

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<v Speaker 14>the plan old liquidity you're seeing in boring all bitcoin markets.

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<v Speaker 14>We have gone nowhere, guys.

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<v Speaker 3>For three weeks.

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<v Speaker 14>It's been up against thirty thousand who's trading.

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<v Speaker 13>That's a great point. If you look at the volumes,

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<v Speaker 13>whether be on coinbase or the overall averages in the indites,

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<v Speaker 13>volume is still coming down even though prices are going up.

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<v Speaker 13>And that's what I've been talking about for a long time.

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<v Speaker 13>The market structure is still kind of broken. All the

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<v Speaker 13>leverage players in the past, whether that be Celsius, Block five, Genesis,

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<v Speaker 13>they're not in there to provide leverage so people can

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<v Speaker 13>trade more. It's the same people trading creating price movement,

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<v Speaker 13>but the volumes are still down and going down.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a lack of leverage ultimately a better, more

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<v Speaker 2>healthy thing. And to that point, does that then move

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<v Speaker 2>us outside of the world of just talking about bitcoin

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<v Speaker 2>into well some of the old coins and your own ecosystem.

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<v Speaker 13>And yes and no, leverage has been part of every

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<v Speaker 13>financial ecosystem, whether it's mortgaging for a house or whether

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<v Speaker 13>it is in other financial markets. In fact, if you

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<v Speaker 13>don't have leverage, you don't have velocity of money and

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<v Speaker 13>you don't have growth. So leverage is healthy. Maintaining and

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<v Speaker 13>maintaining healthy leverage is important for any ecosystem.

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<v Speaker 2>And John, give us a sense of like globally where

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<v Speaker 2>we sit right now, because the talk on this show

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<v Speaker 2>has been a lot about well, we're losing our talent

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<v Speaker 2>from the US.

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<v Speaker 3>They're all going to.

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<v Speaker 2>The Middle East for interesting news out of bid Oasis

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<v Speaker 2>and the regulatory oversight there today. But people are looking

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<v Speaker 2>at other places to build the companies, their startups.

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<v Speaker 3>But where are.

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<v Speaker 2>Volumes coming from internationally, because it all needs to be

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<v Speaker 2>based on China rely.

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<v Speaker 13>Great question. I mean from my seed as an operator,

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<v Speaker 13>I see far more business development activity in Asia as

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<v Speaker 13>well as in Europe. Although the US financial services firm

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<v Speaker 13>have taken a step back waiting for the compliance and

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<v Speaker 13>regulation to play out, the amount of deals we're working

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<v Speaker 13>on at ov labs in Asia as well as in

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<v Speaker 13>Europe have only increased, so they see the usefulness of

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<v Speaker 13>the blockchain technology and they're engaged us. Hopefully with these

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<v Speaker 13>new leaders will start that process as well.

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<v Speaker 14>You know, it's interesting to see this international engagement, but

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<v Speaker 14>at the same time, wouldn't you still see bitcoin prices

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<v Speaker 14>move higher if there was that much more engagement at

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<v Speaker 14>this point? Do you see more risks to the upside

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<v Speaker 14>or the downside when it comes to bitcoin?

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<v Speaker 13>No one could predict the short short term. It's a

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<v Speaker 13>forty forty five percent volve products, so who knows. But

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<v Speaker 13>I see in the medium and long term upsides where

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<v Speaker 13>you want to be the haviening coming next year. Historically

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<v Speaker 13>that means it goes higher into it. And also if

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<v Speaker 13>you look at the curves in the financial markets for

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<v Speaker 13>the futures contracts for bitcoin, no one's giving it price appreciation.

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<v Speaker 13>So I think you can look at the options market,

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<v Speaker 13>a twenty five delta call on bitcoin is priced almost

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<v Speaker 13>the same as for three months. It's almost the same

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<v Speaker 13>as a twenty five delta call six months out on bitcoin.

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<v Speaker 13>And for a forty five to fifty voll product, that's

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<v Speaker 13>really not much canentangle. It's kind of weird, so no

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<v Speaker 13>one's giving you credit, and usually you take the opposite

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<v Speaker 13>side of where people are standing.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, John, technical analysis music to our ears to a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit about being anything other than basically speculative asset

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<v Speaker 2>class Like even in the world of NFTs, we have

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<v Speaker 2>still seen underlying work being done there, interesting moves with mischief,

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<v Speaker 2>interesting moves with Movieton, interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>Moves with collectibles.

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<v Speaker 2>But the price points aren't shifting particularly, and I'm interested

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<v Speaker 2>in ultimately whether people see this as anything other at

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<v Speaker 2>the moment than a spective aske clas.

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<v Speaker 13>We see it differently. The work we're doing with NFTs,

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<v Speaker 13>we're working with like sk which is a large conglomerate

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<v Speaker 13>in Korea. They have probably one of the largest loyalty

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<v Speaker 13>programs in the world. Twenty four to twenty five million

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<v Speaker 13>South Koreans are in this ninety thousand unique merchants. So

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<v Speaker 13>basically they're going to put that loyalty program on a blockchain.

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<v Speaker 13>When you have that many participants and you need to

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<v Speaker 13>move information of value at the same time, you want

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<v Speaker 13>to do it on a blockchain. That's how we're exploring

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<v Speaker 13>with NFTs to loyalty programs. There are other companies even

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<v Speaker 13>in the US work brand companies working with NFTs to

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<v Speaker 13>create more engagement. There's a use case for NFTs not

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<v Speaker 13>just pure digital collectibles.

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<v Speaker 2>Great to have some time and you always have a

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<v Speaker 2>labs president John will Blue Emotion Alibas and the house,

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<v Speaker 2>so pleased to have it with me as well. And look,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a crypto kind of a day stick with Bloomberg Crypto.

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<v Speaker 2>It's at one pm Eastern at ten am Pacific coming up.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh guess what the other flavor of the month, of

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<v Speaker 2>course is and the year State of AI. We're going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about that as well as cybersecurity. Venture Investing.

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<v Speaker 3>K Solm is going to be the best partner of

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<v Speaker 3>Bank Capital Ventures. That's next. This is Bloomberg.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, it's today's VC Spotlight, and we're very pleased to

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<v Speaker 2>welcome to the show Bane Capital Ventures partner Enrique Solam,

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<v Speaker 2>who focuses on well all stages in investing, particularly in infrastructure,

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<v Speaker 2>software and cybersecurity over at Bain. And let's also bring

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<v Speaker 2>in Bloomberg Investing reporter Hemma Palmer, who's helped bring about

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<v Speaker 2>this interview and we really appreciate it so Enrique Bank Capital.

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<v Speaker 3>You've been there, what.

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<v Speaker 2>Since twenty fourteen, you were leading Samantech, which eventually of

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<v Speaker 2>course support by Broadcom and has changed its name. But

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<v Speaker 2>as a leader and now as an investor, how much

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<v Speaker 2>has the game sort of been reorientated towards artificial intelligence

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<v Speaker 2>for twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 15>Yeah, if you look at the opportunities right now, we're

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<v Speaker 15>definitely seeing that generative AI specifically, which is really the

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<v Speaker 15>thing that is driving a lot of meaningful change if

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<v Speaker 15>you take a look at what it's going to disrupt.

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<v Speaker 15>Think about how software is being written today. Software developers

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<v Speaker 15>have to sit down and write each line of code.

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<v Speaker 15>In the future and near term, we expect that probably

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<v Speaker 15>you know, forty percent of what a developer has done

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<v Speaker 15>can be handled through AI. And we think that's not

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<v Speaker 15>a fad, that is a meaningful change. And that's just

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<v Speaker 15>one example of what we think is going to be

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<v Speaker 15>really meaningful as we take advantage of this new major trend.

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<v Speaker 16>And speaking about you know, disruption and AI, talk to

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<v Speaker 16>us a bit about what you think the disruption could

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<v Speaker 16>mean when it comes to phishing and hacking in cybersecurity,

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<v Speaker 16>What influence does what we're seeing in AI now mean

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<v Speaker 16>for that universe.

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<v Speaker 15>Well, the thing that has going on is using new

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<v Speaker 15>gender AI technologies, what an attacker can do is be

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<v Speaker 15>significantly more targeted. So what does that mean? They can

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<v Speaker 15>quickly generate an email message, a phishing attack that will

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<v Speaker 15>be very specific to you to what you do. Things

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<v Speaker 15>they know about you that before they wudn't have been

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<v Speaker 15>able to do as effectively.

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<v Speaker 7>And so what does that mean.

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<v Speaker 15>That means it's more likely that somebody we will respond

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<v Speaker 15>and if they respond, now the attacker is inside the network,

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<v Speaker 15>and so we just think that the sophistication from the

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<v Speaker 15>attacker's perspective will significantly increase.

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<v Speaker 16>And you spoke about the opportunity set with AI. How

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<v Speaker 16>do you look at the risks.

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<v Speaker 3>You just mentioned?

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<v Speaker 16>One, are there certain areas of AI and venture or

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<v Speaker 16>later stage investing that you're avoiding given some of the

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<v Speaker 16>concerns that we're seeing right now.

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<v Speaker 15>Well, you know, when you look at the total landscape,

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<v Speaker 15>there's always things that you want to be careful and

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<v Speaker 15>you know, one of the areas that a lot of

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<v Speaker 15>us have thought about, and you just had a discussion

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<v Speaker 15>on what's happening with what we'll call centralized finance We're

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<v Speaker 15>big believers in decentralized finance and we think that that

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<v Speaker 15>is going to be a big opportunity going forward. But

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<v Speaker 15>I would say broadly, we're bullish on what's happening AI.

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<v Speaker 15>We're bullish on what's happening in.

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<v Speaker 3>Cyber decentralized finance.

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<v Speaker 2>What airs, I mean, you're still running checks when it's

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<v Speaker 2>related to crypto.

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<v Speaker 15>Yeah, So we raised a fund last year, and so

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<v Speaker 15>we continue to invest in the companies that are working

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<v Speaker 15>on new blockchain technologies. And so we've got investments in

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<v Speaker 15>companies like Scroll Celestia, and we think there's still real

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<v Speaker 15>opportunity ahead. You know, the question really is there's cycles,

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<v Speaker 15>and we saw some of the you know, excesses of

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<v Speaker 15>twenty one. We think we're in a much healthier environment now,

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<v Speaker 15>this is more normal, and we even.

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<v Speaker 2>The AI startups even for valuations there.

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<v Speaker 15>You know, I think you're seeing that the best founders

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<v Speaker 15>have moved into what's happening in the generat AI space,

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<v Speaker 15>and so what that begins to do is they can

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<v Speaker 15>command premium valuations. And so definitely we're seeing some overheated prices,

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<v Speaker 15>but we think that's driven by what the opportunity set

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<v Speaker 15>is which we think is incredible. You know, we've made

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<v Speaker 15>an investment, for example, in a company called Unstructured, and

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<v Speaker 15>if you think about what they do is they're taking

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<v Speaker 15>all your corporate data and allowing you to train a

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<v Speaker 15>model on your own specific data. And so we think

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<v Speaker 15>companies like Unstructured, companies like Contextual, which are solving real

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<v Speaker 15>problems around hallucination because one of the problems with gener

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<v Speaker 15>of AI that I think we've all experienced is that

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<v Speaker 15>sometimes you'll ask a question or you'll ask for some

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<v Speaker 15>information and it'll give you some amount of randomness. And

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<v Speaker 15>what companies like Contextual that we've invested in are really

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<v Speaker 15>trying to do is eliminate that hallucination.

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<v Speaker 16>Speaking about valuations, how do you see the runway ahead

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<v Speaker 16>when it comes to the number of downrounds that we

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<v Speaker 16>might see over the next twelve months, whether an AI

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<v Speaker 16>even more broadly looking at.

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<v Speaker 15>Infrastructure, Yeah, so if you look at the current environment,

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<v Speaker 15>you know, twenty twenty three is probably not an ideal

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<v Speaker 15>time to fundraise. Most of the founders that we engage

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<v Speaker 15>with are really focused on thinking about raising in twenty

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<v Speaker 15>twenty four and twenty twenty five, where we expect that

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<v Speaker 15>their revenues will have grown in to the valuations, but

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<v Speaker 15>there will probably be some companies that will be in

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<v Speaker 15>a position where they have to raise financing at a

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<v Speaker 15>lower valuation than last time.

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<v Speaker 2>Always a bit of pill, but a reality for many.

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<v Speaker 2>Ban Capital Ventures partner and Rique Salem, great to have

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<v Speaker 2>some time with you. Thank you so much, Bloomberg's HMMA Palmer,

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<v Speaker 2>We thank you so much for bringing the conversation. We've

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<v Speaker 2>got to get back to our top story. Microsoft's court

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<v Speaker 2>win in the US to of course proceed without sixty

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<v Speaker 2>nine billion dollar deal for Activision Blizzard.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's get the FTC perspective. William Kavass with us.

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<v Speaker 2>He is a former acting chair of the Federal Trade Commission,

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<v Speaker 2>former member of the FDC, and currently professor of law

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<v Speaker 2>at George Washington University. Professor is wonderful to have some

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<v Speaker 2>time with you. What does this mean for the FTC.

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<v Speaker 2>They are taking big swings, but they seem to be missing.

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<v Speaker 17>When they've taken swings based on theories that are a

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<v Speaker 17>bit edgy, that involved using theories about vertical acquisitions such

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<v Speaker 17>as Microsoft Activision. They're having a hard time in court.

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<v Speaker 17>In short, they're having a difficult time expanding the frontier

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<v Speaker 17>of enforcement to include theories that have been deemphasized in

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<v Speaker 17>the past. And this is going to give the tech

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<v Speaker 17>community confidence with certain types of transactions, especially if they're

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<v Speaker 17>willing to offer concessions which the parties did hear that

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<v Speaker 17>they have a fighting chance of prevailing when they get

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<v Speaker 17>to court.

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<v Speaker 2>And to that end, I mean, should the FDC sort

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<v Speaker 2>of in a way be a little bit buoyed by

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that they fall such changes, or indeed the

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<v Speaker 2>worldwide competition authorities out there.

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<v Speaker 17>If I were the FTC, I'd be claiming credit for

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<v Speaker 17>the changes. I would say that if I hadn't been watching,

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<v Speaker 17>if I hadn't intervened, the concessions would not have been

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<v Speaker 17>given so directly and clearly. The judge in the case,

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<v Speaker 17>in our opinion today emphasize the clarity with which the

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<v Speaker 17>commitments have been made, so I certainly do claim some

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<v Speaker 17>credit for that. Without my intervention, those would not have

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<v Speaker 17>been presented so clearly and so directly.

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<v Speaker 2>What's so interesting is almost sort of five minutes apart

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<v Speaker 2>of the headline that we understood that the US cord

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<v Speaker 2>is sort of giving this blessing to Microsoft, we heard

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<v Speaker 2>that the EU it's reporting from the Financial Times, But

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<v Speaker 2>the EU might well allow the VMware Broadcom deal to

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<v Speaker 2>go through. What about some of the these are the

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<v Speaker 2>deals coming down the pike. It feels as though you

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<v Speaker 2>think these could start to get through if they.

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<v Speaker 3>Make these concessions.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking of Broadcon, VMware, Kroger Albertson's and the like.

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<v Speaker 17>If parties think very clearly and honestly at the beginning

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<v Speaker 17>of the process about what the vulnerabilities will be, where

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<v Speaker 17>the regulators are most likely to intervene and proceed to

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<v Speaker 17>come up with solutions to address those, their prospects of

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<v Speaker 17>success improved dramatically. The European Union, the European Competition Directorate

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<v Speaker 17>has been quite willing to accept concessions. The courts in

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<v Speaker 17>these US cases are willing to look at the suggested fix.

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<v Speaker 17>This is the case in today in Microsoft activision. It

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<v Speaker 17>was the case for the Administrative Law judge and Aluminu Grail.

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<v Speaker 17>It's been the case in a couple of the couple

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<v Speaker 17>of the challenges that the Department of Justice has brought.

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<v Speaker 17>In short, what parties are having success with is coming

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<v Speaker 17>to the court and saying we concede that there might

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<v Speaker 17>be competitive problems, but we have a solution, and just

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<v Speaker 17>because the authorities are not willing to embrace them doesn't

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<v Speaker 17>mean that you judge should not endorse them. That strategy

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<v Speaker 17>has been effected.

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<v Speaker 2>What then, When Lena Khan first came in, much was made,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, of the work she'd done and the study

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<v Speaker 2>of the law around Amazon in particular. Many are waiting

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<v Speaker 2>for what the FTC is going to do and bring

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<v Speaker 2>in in terms of the big one for Amazon, in

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<v Speaker 2>some way, shape or form, does any of this perhaps

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<v Speaker 2>arbiter an easier time for the big company, which of

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<v Speaker 2>course we understand has been hiring a lot of XFTC people.

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<v Speaker 17>I think the company is almost certain to be the

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<v Speaker 17>subject of a complaint. The FTC has made so many

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<v Speaker 17>commitments over the past couple of years that to not

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<v Speaker 17>bring a monopolization case against Amazon would be seen as

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<v Speaker 17>a fairly dramatic repeat retreat, and indeed, for the chair

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<v Speaker 17>this has been held out as one of the main

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<v Speaker 17>reasons she's at the agency. I think it does mean

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<v Speaker 17>that the FTC is going to think perhaps a bit

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<v Speaker 17>harder about how it assembles the proof that will make

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<v Speaker 17>the case successful, because in these merger defeats what the

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<v Speaker 17>courts have been saying is your evidence isn't good enough.

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<v Speaker 17>And the last thing I think it does is that

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<v Speaker 17>it probably gives the Amazon more confidence that when the

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<v Speaker 17>litigation process unfolds, that they're going to be able to

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<v Speaker 17>meet the challenge. Ultimately, as an enforcer, you gain credibility

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<v Speaker 17>by winning. You don't have to win them all, but

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<v Speaker 17>you have to win a critical massive cases, and in Amazon,

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<v Speaker 17>I think it suggests that if you're willing to mass

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<v Speaker 17>all the resources that you need to take on the case,

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<v Speaker 17>your prospects of success are going to be respectable. So

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<v Speaker 17>I think that these defeats in a sense give them

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<v Speaker 17>some confidence that they can prevail later on.

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<v Speaker 2>Professor, great to get your expertise on this. Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>so much for joining us today, George Washington University law

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<v Speaker 2>professor and former FDC member Bill Kommersick.

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<v Speaker 3>We thank him now.

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