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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast. A m

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Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio, Philipmantel I interrupted the story of you tracking

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Speaker 1: down this other female witness. Can you tell us more?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, Like I said, you know, Stephanos in Greece

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Speaker 2: had interviewed Pastor Sigallas. And in the back of the

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Speaker 2: car during this sighting was a young lady called Joanne Hallmark.

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Speaker 2: And I'd left messages on some long defunct social media accounts,

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Speaker 2: but there was a name of a church only George

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Speaker 2: and I went back and I just googled the church.

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Speaker 2: You know nothing, you know, I'm no Sherlock Holmes. They

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Speaker 2: just go and to my surprise, there it was. And

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Speaker 2: it wasn't in pascagoul It wasn't even in Mississippi. It

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Speaker 2: was in Maryland. And the church had a website. And

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Speaker 2: on this website, much to my amazement, there was some

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Speaker 2: sermons that you could listen to. The sermons were given

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Speaker 2: somebody called Hallmark. But in mind, I'm looking for a

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Speaker 2: lady called Joan Hallmark, and I thought, is this her husband,

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Speaker 2: maybe her son's. So there was a general email address

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Speaker 2: to the church, so I sent her an email told

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Speaker 2: them who I was looking to speak to, and that

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Speaker 2: she worked with the pastor Cigallas in Pascagoula in nineteen

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Speaker 2: seventy three. I didn't mention anything else. About four weeks

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Speaker 2: later alone behold, Miss Hallmark contacted me and confirmed, yes,

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Speaker 2: I worked out with in Pasca Gooler with Pastor Cigallas.

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Speaker 2: So then I had to tell her what I was

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Speaker 2: looking for, and I sent an email you know UFOs,

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Speaker 2: you know, et cetera, et cetera. And again a few

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Speaker 2: weeks later she came back again and she confirmed it

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Speaker 2: all and then was was interviewed by Irena on the

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Speaker 2: telephone and confirmed it yet again. So you know, there

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Speaker 2: was a sighting at the time, although we found a

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Speaker 2: couple of newspaper cuts in so these gentlemen not only

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Speaker 2: did they speak to Stefanos in nineteen eighty one, they

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Speaker 2: had reported it at the time. And it is probably

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Speaker 2: him that was the pastor who was in the police

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Speaker 2: station that night reporting it in person. Like I said,

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Speaker 2: he was accompanied by mister Broadhurst who was also part

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Speaker 2: of the Police and Probation Service. And you know, so

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Speaker 2: there were sightings by others at the time, George that

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Speaker 2: went on the record at the time But once Calvin

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Speaker 2: stepped you know forward in nineteen sorta in twenty eighteen

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Speaker 2: to publish his own book, it then persuaded others, I think,

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Speaker 2: to do the same. You know, the media treated Calvin

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Speaker 2: with respect compared to what happened in nineteen seventy three.

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Speaker 2: Plus he was of an age it couldn't care less anymore,

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Speaker 2: and people who were witnesses to these events were of

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Speaker 2: a similar age, so they were past caring what people thought.

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Speaker 2: One of the criticisms back in nineteen seventy three where

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Speaker 2: the fishing spot was is not an out of the

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Speaker 2: way place, and there's a huge toll bridge roadbridge goes

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Speaker 2: right over the river. It's Highway ninety I believe. And

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Speaker 2: one of the criticisms back in the day was, well,

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Speaker 2: nobody driving across the bridge that night I've said anything. Well,

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Speaker 2: you know, that was correct, but it doesn't mean somebody

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Speaker 2: didn't see something. So one gentleman who stepped forward was

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Speaker 2: called Charles Anderson, and he said he was driving over

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Speaker 2: the bridge that night, eleventh of October nineteen seventy three.

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Speaker 2: He'd been out with his wife, and he said he

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Speaker 2: watched this thing for about thirty seconds down below him,

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Speaker 2: George literally down below him, and it was so low

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Speaker 2: he thought this is going to crash. And of course

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Speaker 2: going across the bridge, and I asked Calvin to do this.

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Speaker 2: It's the general direction of where they were that night,

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Speaker 2: you know, the peer and everything has gone now and

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Speaker 2: it's all being cleaned off, but people still do fish

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Speaker 2: from it, you know. And so there was a sighting

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Speaker 2: from the bridge of this blue this blue, this blue thing. Now,

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Speaker 2: Aria and I have been involved in making a new

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Speaker 2: documentary and mister Anderson was interviewed for it. And just

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Speaker 2: last year he put a little post on Facebook, you know,

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Speaker 2: been interviewed and a lady by the name of Pamela

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Speaker 2: really Eve's steps forward and she said, oh, I saw

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Speaker 2: the UFO that night. What wasn't clear at the time

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Speaker 2: we found out later is that Rusty chat mister Anderson

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Speaker 2: and miss Eves are actually cousins. Neither of them knew

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Speaker 2: of each other's sighting. Now, Pamela, Pamela Eves, she'd literally

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Speaker 2: been putting her children to bed that night and she

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Speaker 2: went to close the curtains, you know, the bedroom curtains,

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Speaker 2: just a little comment she made George, and people are

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Speaker 2: trying to make out that some of these people are

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Speaker 2: stepping forward looking for publicity. Well, no, she was just

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Speaker 2: It just happened across. I had no idea, mister, I'm

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Speaker 2: a post of the thing about the documentary. But they're

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Speaker 2: just just a couple of examples.

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Speaker 1: I know you you've gathered so many additional witnesses that

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Speaker 1: you detail in the book, and even with as much

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Speaker 1: time as we have, we can't go through them all.

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Speaker 1: But I want to. I want to use one more

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Speaker 1: clip of this hypnosis session, and when we come back, Irena,

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Speaker 1: I'd like to ask you if any of the other

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Speaker 1: witnesses that you've spoken to have similar descriptions. In this clip,

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Speaker 1: under hypnosis, Calvin Parker discusses what this craft looked like.

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Speaker 1: Let's play it now.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't move, I was laying there. I was paralyzed.

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Speaker 3: I was looking up because I couldn't look any other way.

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Speaker 3: If something came out of the ceiling.

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Speaker 4: Can you see it?

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Speaker 3: I can. It's it's metallic blue and square, and it

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Speaker 3: just comes straight down, opped in front of my eyes,

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Speaker 3: and it started circling my head and make it a

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Speaker 3: clicking noise, and then it just stopped again. We're back

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Speaker 3: up in the ceiling.

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Speaker 4: And then what happened?

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Speaker 3: This thing that had me backed up to the wall

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Speaker 3: and stood there just didn't move nothing. Just looked like

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Speaker 3: he was placed there.

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Speaker 4: Were you able to get a better look at that

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Speaker 4: thing so you could describe it better than you could

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Speaker 4: when you were out on the dock.

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Speaker 3: No, my eyes was he was kind of off then

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Speaker 4: And what happened next?

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Speaker 3: I kind of rolled my head over for some reason.

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Speaker 3: If something was coming toward me and it looked a

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Speaker 4: What did it look like?

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Speaker 3: It looked like a woman, just a regular person coming

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Speaker 4: Described that woman in all of the details that you see.

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Speaker 3: This lady had brown eyes and I didn't notice no

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Speaker 3: hair right then or any She had long fingers.

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Speaker 4: How many fingers were on her hand? Do you know?

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Speaker 3: There was five, just like our hands, five of them.

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Speaker 4: Did she look human in every way?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Doctor Irena Scott, does this sort of ring a

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Speaker 1: bell with you in terms of other abductees who described

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Speaker 1: different beings. Now we heard the description of these strange,

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Speaker 1: robotic kind of things with the point he heads, the

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Speaker 1: points coming out of their heads. The fact that Calvin

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Speaker 1: reports seeing a very human looking person on board the craft,

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Speaker 1: is that a common thing.

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Speaker 5: I don't know how common it is, but other people

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Speaker 5: have reported it. For example, even very early in nineteen

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Speaker 5: fifty seven, somebody named Moas in Brazil. This was probably

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Speaker 5: the very first abduction that was ever reported. And the

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Speaker 5: man was conscious. He was on a tractor and this

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Speaker 5: thing came down, this UFO and chased his tractor and

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Speaker 5: captured him, and then he was put into a room

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Speaker 5: they put jel ones or he's not that effected, and

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Speaker 5: there was gas in the room, and this woman came

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Speaker 5: in and she looked kind of human, but she had

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Speaker 5: like red hair under her arms and things like that

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Speaker 5: which didn't quite look human. And for some reason they

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Speaker 5: did sex, which he thought he had been influenced by this,

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Speaker 5: by what they put on eman things. And then he

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Speaker 5: a professional position his rest of his life and.

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Speaker 2: The family and everything.

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Speaker 5: He was perfectly normal.

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Speaker 2: But that was one of the.

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Speaker 5: Very first reports of an abduction, and it involved a woman.

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Speaker 1: This description of the equipment coming out of the ceiling

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Speaker 1: coming down, as Calvin is laying there, lying there, this thing,

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Speaker 1: this apparatus comes down. You've heard that before.

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Speaker 5: Right, Yeah. A lot of people report being scanned, and

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Speaker 5: in our technology today, if we're doing an MRI or

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Speaker 5: that sort of thing, they put us on a gurney

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Speaker 5: and sent us in this big capsule and everything, well,

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Speaker 5: he was They gave the impression of scanning him and

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Speaker 5: it was a little tiny thing, and he said, like

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Speaker 5: a deck of cards. Today you'd say like an iPhone.

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Speaker 5: And it gave the impression of being a much more

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Speaker 5: evolved type of scanning that we would have now. But

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Speaker 5: other people report that of being looked at and scanned

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Speaker 5: the different things, and of seeing human like beings on UFO,

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Speaker 5: sometimes they'll see beings that don't look human along with humans,

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Speaker 5: along with things that look human.

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Speaker 1: Philip, the same question for you, your impression of Calvin's

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Speaker 1: memory there the hypnosis session. Why was he Why did

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Speaker 1: you put him under hypnosis? Because he seems to have

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Speaker 1: pretty good recollection of what happened that night and what

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Speaker 1: else came out of those sessions that kind of jumped

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Speaker 1: out at you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, simply we had the opportunity, George, so

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Speaker 2: we took it. While it was there, Calvin pointed out

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Speaker 2: that he never needed hypnosis because they could remember it all,

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Speaker 2: pretty much most of it. But what the hypnosis did

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Speaker 2: for him was clarify one or two things. Now, he'd

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Speaker 2: been onder hypnosis before, and so we wanted to ask

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Speaker 2: the same sort of things. What did come out is

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Speaker 2: that we found that he had two other encounters as

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Speaker 2: a young boy, and he also had another encounter in

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three. And the common denominator amongst all these

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Speaker 2: four encounters was this female. She was in all four

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Speaker 2: of them, and as Calvin, there's a there's an artist

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Speaker 2: impression in the book that's done by a professional artist

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Speaker 2: friend of ours, and he also said she looked like

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Speaker 2: she was wearing a mask. But he said, if you

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Speaker 2: saw her in a bar, you'd buy her a drink,

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Speaker 2: you know. The only difference was the middle finger was longer,

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Speaker 2: and she placed this in his naval casalty up through

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Speaker 2: his throat. That hurt him. And so that so this

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Speaker 2: this woman you know, or this female or whatever you

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Speaker 2: want to call it, was the the thread that holds

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Speaker 2: these four encounters together. But we also mentioned Travis Walton

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Speaker 2: in in in the intro, Travis saw not necessarily a well,

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Speaker 2: a man and a woman as well the creatures that

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Speaker 2: looked like male and female when during his encounter, although

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Speaker 2: they had some kind of helmet over the heads, but

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Speaker 2: they were human looking, you know. And so but Calvin

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Speaker 2: didn't like this one. He said she was wicked. It's evil.

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Speaker 2: And during his nineteen seventy three encounter, I'll tell you

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Speaker 2: this point now, just because he's specific to some other

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Speaker 2: bits and pieces. One part that Calvin doesn't like talking

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Speaker 2: about is they remove his clothing from his trousers downwards,

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Speaker 2: and they take his shoes and SOPs off, and they

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Speaker 2: say they stuck something in his foot and it hurt,

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Speaker 2: and he could hear something dripping, and he assumed that's

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Speaker 2: and he gained the power of movement, and he grabbed

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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty and during his hypnosis he reports seeing these little,

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Speaker 2: But it might come into what Missus Blair had to

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Speaker 2: some significance, the significance about this piece and I'm going

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Speaker 2: off track here, George, so please excuse me. Is when

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Speaker 2: when Charlie got up was got hold of by these things,

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Speaker 2: he felt a prick in his forearm, and as Calvin

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Speaker 2: when I started looking into this, I asked Calvin if

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Speaker 2: Hurricane Katrina. So I contacted everybody I could think of.

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Speaker 2: First port of care was the Center for UFO Studies

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