WEBVTT - What Are the Secrets of the World’s Largest Birds?

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<v Speaker 1>Guess what gave what's that mango? So I read this

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<v Speaker 1>great story in Scientific American. It's called Saving California Condors

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<v Speaker 1>with a chisel and hand puppets, So it has to

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<v Speaker 1>be one of the greatest titles I've read in a while.

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<v Speaker 1>But are you familiar with these birds?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I know they're huge birds, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>they're in danger too, aren't they.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's right, So they were close to extinction a

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<v Speaker 1>few decades ago. I think their count was down to

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<v Speaker 1>just over twenty birds in the early eighties, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>actually when the Oregon Zoo stepped in. So one of

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<v Speaker 1>the strange things about condor eggs is that sometimes the

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<v Speaker 1>chicks aren't actually strong enough to break out of the shells.

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<v Speaker 1>So the caretakers at the zoo like they stand by

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<v Speaker 1>ready with a chisel to help them break out. And

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, it worked so well that the zoo has

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<v Speaker 1>now raised more than seventy condor chicks.

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<v Speaker 3>That's awesome. But what do they do then? Do they

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<v Speaker 3>release them into the while?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but if the chicks are raised in captivity without

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<v Speaker 1>their parents, the minders have to be really careful about

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<v Speaker 1>how they feed them, because you know, they don't want

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<v Speaker 1>these birds to be too trusting of humans, so they

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<v Speaker 1>have these hand puppets made to look like condors, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's what they used to feed the little hatchlings. But

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<v Speaker 1>reading that story made me think, you know, maybe it's

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<v Speaker 1>time to do an episode on some of the world's

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<v Speaker 1>largest birds and also all the secrets we definitely don't

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<v Speaker 1>know about them, So let's dive in. Hey, their podcast listeners,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to Part Time Genius. I'm Mongish articular, and my

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<v Speaker 1>good pal Will Pearson's on vacation today. But I'm so

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<v Speaker 1>thrilled because I get to hang out with the wonderful

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<v Speaker 1>Gave Lucier, who's on the line with me. Hey, Gabe,

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<v Speaker 1>how's it going.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, it's going well. Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's great to have you, Gabe. And on the other

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<v Speaker 1>side of the soundproof glass car into the biggest, fattest

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<v Speaker 1>turkey I've seen this side of Thanksgiving, that's our friend

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<v Speaker 1>and producer Tristan McNeil. And I've got to say, while

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<v Speaker 1>Tristan's on theme as usual, it does feel a little

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<v Speaker 1>weird to watch him chow down on a bird while

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<v Speaker 1>we're also talking about birds. Yeah, I mean, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Was hoping we'd get to see Tristan in like a

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<v Speaker 2>big bird costume today, or maybe find out that he's

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<v Speaker 2>secretly been taking falconry classes or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we should put that in the suggestion box for

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<v Speaker 1>next time, I think. But today's episode is all about

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<v Speaker 1>the world's largest birds.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>We scoured the skies to find the most oversized birds

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<v Speaker 2>out there, and now it's time to spill all their

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<v Speaker 2>juicy secrets, like how have large birds adapted for survival

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<v Speaker 2>and how they got so big in.

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<v Speaker 3>The first place.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, a mango, I'm curious, where do you

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<v Speaker 2>want to start with this one?

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<v Speaker 1>So I thought I kicked things off with a nice,

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<v Speaker 1>feel good story about one of the world's largest birds,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the wandering albatross. And this species of albatross

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<v Speaker 1>is big by just about any measure. Their bodies are

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<v Speaker 1>about three and a half feet from bill to tail.

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<v Speaker 1>They weigh twenty some pounds on average. But without a doubt,

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<v Speaker 1>their biggest and most striking feature has to be their

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<v Speaker 1>enormous wingspan. Because you know, I'm sure you probably know this.

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<v Speaker 1>Wandering albatrosses have the largest wingspan of any living bird.

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<v Speaker 1>It's between eleven and twelve feet from tip to tip,

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<v Speaker 1>and with wings that big, you know, these birds are

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<v Speaker 1>obviously built for flight. They've actually been known to circumnavigate

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<v Speaker 1>the Southern Ocean up to three times in a single year,

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<v Speaker 1>and one bird in particular is known to have traveled

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<v Speaker 1>nearly four thousand miles in just twelve days.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is so impressive of course, but like, what's their

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<v Speaker 2>secret for covering that kind of distance? Because you have

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<v Speaker 2>to think that flapping a pair of twelve foot wings

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<v Speaker 2>must take an awful lot of energy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's really no way in albatross could do that

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<v Speaker 1>by flapping like they'd be exhausted within an hour tops. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>albatross has actually used this method called dynamics soaring, and

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<v Speaker 1>it allows them to glide across these incredible distances without

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<v Speaker 1>needing to flap their wings. And this works because the

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<v Speaker 1>birds have this special tendon in each of their shoulders

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<v Speaker 1>that helps lock their wings into place. It's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a birdie cruise control, and once their wings are locked

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<v Speaker 1>into position, albatross is simply glide along, swooping as needed

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<v Speaker 1>to catch the wind and gradually rise back up.

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<v Speaker 2>That's really cool, but I mean, they never have to

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<v Speaker 2>stop and take a rest or anything.

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<v Speaker 1>No, not really, I mean it's hard to walk on

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<v Speaker 1>land with that twelve foot wingspan. So apart from mating season,

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<v Speaker 1>wandering albatrosses tend to stick to the air as much

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<v Speaker 1>as possible. And there is one exception though, if an

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<v Speaker 1>albatross goes crazy and just eats way too many fish,

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<v Speaker 1>they might need to take a break and float on

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<v Speaker 1>top of the water for a while, you know, until

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<v Speaker 1>they've digested.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's pretty cute, but I think you said you

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<v Speaker 2>had a feel good story about albatrosses, Like, well, what

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<v Speaker 2>exactly does that mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's right, and it's actually about one albatross in particular.

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<v Speaker 1>Name is Wisdom, and as of this year, she's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be sixty seven years old, which makes her the

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<v Speaker 1>world's oldest known wild bird. She was born sometime in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty one, but this biologist started tracking her in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty six, and since then, Wisdom has managed to

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<v Speaker 1>rack up somewhere between two to three million miles in

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<v Speaker 1>flying time, which is the equivalent of about four to

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<v Speaker 1>six trips to the moon and back.

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<v Speaker 2>Gosh, that's incredible, or at least I think it's incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I actually don't know how long albatross has

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<v Speaker 2>typically lived, do you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean it depends on the species, but they'll

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<v Speaker 1>live I guess four to fifty years if they're lucky.

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<v Speaker 1>Albatrosses are one of those rare species of birds and

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<v Speaker 1>wild animals in general. I guess that sometimes live long

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<v Speaker 1>enough to die of old age.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I guess that's, you know, one of the perks

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<v Speaker 2>of that wandering lifestyle, right, because I mean, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>constantly on the move, flying over an ocean, you pretty

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<v Speaker 2>much have an unlimited food supply right there below you,

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<v Speaker 2>and most predators wouldn't be able to keep up with

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<v Speaker 2>you anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's definitely true, and amazingly the biggest threats to

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<v Speaker 1>albatross's are natural disasters and also I guess the consumption

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<v Speaker 1>of plastic, both of which Wisdom has managed to avoid

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<v Speaker 1>for almost seven decades now. But perhaps the most interesting

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<v Speaker 1>thing to me was that she's birth and raised over

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<v Speaker 1>forty chicks over her long lifetime, and that includes her

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<v Speaker 1>most recent one, which was hatch just this spring.

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<v Speaker 2>I've always thought albatrosses were really cool, you know, partially

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<v Speaker 2>because of all the old sea myths around them, and

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<v Speaker 2>also that epic Collridge poem. But you know, nowadays they

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<v Speaker 2>mostly make the news, you know, and there's like YouTube

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<v Speaker 2>videos and stuff that just kind of make fun of

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<v Speaker 2>how silly they look when they're trying to walk on land,

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<v Speaker 2>which kind of a bummer.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, even the name albatross, which is pretty awkward

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<v Speaker 1>in its own right, Like it was apparently just taken

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<v Speaker 1>from words used to describe other sea birds. So it

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<v Speaker 1>comes from algatas, which was I guess, this Arabic word

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<v Speaker 1>for a sea eagle, and then that was adapted into

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<v Speaker 1>a Spanish word alcatraz, which was the word for a pelican,

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<v Speaker 1>and then finally the word made into English I guess

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<v Speaker 1>this was in the seventeenth century, and that's when we

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<v Speaker 1>got the word albatross.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>As poorly conceived as that name is, I think penguins

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<v Speaker 2>might have it even worse. And that's because way back

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<v Speaker 2>when sailors actually used to call them ourse feet. That's ridiculous,

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<v Speaker 2>I know, and I mean you can guess why it's ony, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's on account of their short legs and

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<v Speaker 2>their feet being so close to their backsides. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>thankfully the Welsh did come up with their own name penguin,

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<v Speaker 2>which literally translates as white head.

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<v Speaker 1>So I like, how both these names that are on

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<v Speaker 1>such random characteristics, Like, you know, if I was defining

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<v Speaker 1>a penguin, the fact that it's bum touches his feet

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<v Speaker 1>like that would be a defining characteristic, you know, or

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<v Speaker 1>that they have white heads, like do penguins even have

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<v Speaker 1>white heads? Well, I mean the white head name it

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<v Speaker 1>was actually another case of mistaken bird identity, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just like with the albatross. The Welsh applied the name

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<v Speaker 1>penguin to their local great Auk population, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>an awk being another kind of giant, black and white

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<v Speaker 1>sea bird. Sure, so the thinking is that some sailors

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<v Speaker 1>just mistook penguins for ox and the name just stuck.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think we've got to make emotion to

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<v Speaker 1>stop letting sailors name things because they always get it wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm with you, But also this is kind of random.

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<v Speaker 2>But have you heard Benedict Cumberbatch try to say the

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<v Speaker 2>word penguins, Like, for whatever reason, he always winds up

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<v Speaker 2>calling them peng wings or penglings. It's just hilarious because

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<v Speaker 2>he winds up doing all this like penguin content, Like

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<v Speaker 2>he was in this cartoon penguin movie and he did

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<v Speaker 2>the narration for a BBC documentary about penguins, and the

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<v Speaker 2>whole time he's just butchering the name, Like I have

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<v Speaker 2>no idea how he lands these gigs or why no

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<v Speaker 2>one corrects it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's pretty hilarious. I had no idea, but I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to YouTube it right after this episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Should but you know, since we're on the subject of

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<v Speaker 2>penguins or penguins if you prefer, we should really take

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<v Speaker 2>a few minutes to talk about the largest of their kind,

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<v Speaker 2>which of course are emperor penguins. And these big birds

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<v Speaker 2>stand around four feet tall, which makes them the largest

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<v Speaker 2>of the eighteen penguin species found on Earth. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>also a far cry from the smallest penguin species, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's the little blue penguin, which is only about sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>inches tall, and that's when it's fully grown.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that blue penguins are so little, like like

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<v Speaker 1>they're almost like a pocket penguin. I just want to

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<v Speaker 1>pick one off, like stuff it into my pockets. But

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk more about these emperors, Like is it just

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<v Speaker 1>their size that sets the emperors apart, or are they

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<v Speaker 1>different from other penguins in other ways as well?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, one difference is that emperor penguins don't do

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<v Speaker 2>anything the easy way, like, for instance, other penguins in

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<v Speaker 2>the southern hemisphere, they make the sensible decision to lay

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<v Speaker 2>their eggs, you know, during the relatively warm summer months,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's the same time when Antarctic cruises make their rounds.

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<v Speaker 2>But emperor penguins they actually wait until winter arrives to

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<v Speaker 2>do their mating. And even then, emperors don't head for

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<v Speaker 2>the warmth of the coasts, you know, to lay their eggs. Instead,

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<v Speaker 2>they do the opposite and head south into the harshest weather.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not if I've learned anything from Marsha the penguins.

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<v Speaker 1>It's that emperors don't make things any easier on themselves

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<v Speaker 1>during their incubation periods. Like I know, most penguin species

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<v Speaker 1>will build nests out of like loose feathers or tiny

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<v Speaker 1>pebbles and keep their eggs there until they've hashed. But

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<v Speaker 1>emperor penguins have a different system, right, Like, they incubate

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<v Speaker 1>their one egg for the entire season, and they do

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<v Speaker 1>it by standing still and I think balancing it on

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<v Speaker 1>top of their feet.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right, and this method, it really wouldn't work

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<v Speaker 2>at all if it weren't for some pretty impressive teamwork

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<v Speaker 2>on the part of their parents. Like because as soon

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<v Speaker 2>as the mother penguin lays her egg, she high tails

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<v Speaker 2>it towards the sea to feed and build up her

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<v Speaker 2>fat reserves. So for the next eight or nine weeks

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<v Speaker 2>after that, the task of incubation is left to the

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<v Speaker 2>emperor dads, who are able to keep their egg warm

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<v Speaker 2>thanks to this special loose fold of skin that contains

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<v Speaker 2>a high concentration of blood vessels and this featherless patch

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<v Speaker 2>of skin it kind of drapes over the egg at

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<v Speaker 2>all times to keep it from freezing. And that's while

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<v Speaker 2>the father stands still for months on end.

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<v Speaker 1>I've actually read that male emperor penguins typically burn through

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<v Speaker 1>nearly half their body weight while waiting for their mates

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<v Speaker 1>to return. So this is actually one of those rare

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<v Speaker 1>cases in the animal kingdom where the plumpest and pudgest

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<v Speaker 1>males are also the most desirable. I mean, there are

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<v Speaker 1>you know, easily the best equipped to survive those long

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<v Speaker 1>ones without a meal. Yeah that's true, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just so people know that we aren't body shaming penguins

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<v Speaker 1>or anything. I want to mention that emperor penguins male

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<v Speaker 1>and female, are actually quite athletic, or you know, at

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<v Speaker 1>least they are in the water. In fact, well, most

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<v Speaker 1>aquatic birds would be lucky to dive two hundred feet

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<v Speaker 1>or so underwater. The emperor penguin is capable of diving

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<v Speaker 1>a stunning fifteen hundred.

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<v Speaker 3>Feet or more.

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<v Speaker 2>And the amount of time they can stay under is

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<v Speaker 2>just as impressive. Like I read, the longest dive on

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<v Speaker 2>record for an emperor is just under twenty eight minutes,

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<v Speaker 2>so that actually is.

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<v Speaker 1>Stunying to me. Like the fact that they can go

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen hundred feet under the water, that's incredible. But what

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<v Speaker 1>is their secret?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it comes down to this amazing trick of physiology.

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<v Speaker 2>So basically, they can metabolize oxygen at a slower rate

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<v Speaker 2>during a dive than they would otherwise, like when resting.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is how Live Science explains it. Quote, the

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<v Speaker 2>penguins can switch between two modes of oxygen use, either

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<v Speaker 2>starving their muscles or giving them an extra shot of

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<v Speaker 2>oxygen to help keep them working. And so emperors they

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<v Speaker 2>actually have one other trick up their sleeves as well,

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<v Speaker 2>which is that their brainans have evolved to tolerate extremely

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<v Speaker 2>low levels of oxygen without shutting down. So not only

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<v Speaker 2>can these birds control their flow of oxygen, they can

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<v Speaker 2>survive on a reduced flow for periods of time that

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<v Speaker 2>would result in brain damage or even death and just

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<v Speaker 2>about any other animal all.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So clearly they're the Olympic divers of the animal kingdom,

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<v Speaker 1>even if their parenting habits are a little unusual. But

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<v Speaker 1>now that we've covered everyone's favorite flightless waterbirds, what do

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<v Speaker 1>you say we switch gears and talk about some of

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<v Speaker 1>their land loving cousins.

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<v Speaker 3>Plummed out for that.

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<v Speaker 4>But first, let's take a quick break.

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<v Speaker 1>You listen to part Time Genius and we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the secrets of the world's largest birds. Okay, Gabe, So

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<v Speaker 1>we've already covered the biggest fire a big swimmer, but

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<v Speaker 1>inch for inch and pound, the planet's tallest and heaviest

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<v Speaker 1>bird actually does neither of those things. And of course

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about the ostridge here. Now. However awkward they

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<v Speaker 1>might look, ostriches are actually built for land speed. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>they're capable of sprinting up to forty three miles per

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<v Speaker 1>hour in the short bursts, and that actually makes them

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<v Speaker 1>the fastest bipedal runners on the planet. But it's not

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<v Speaker 1>just their speed that's so impressive. Their endurance is absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>staggering as well. Ostriches are able to maintain speeds of

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<v Speaker 1>thirty one miles per hour for up to ten miles

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<v Speaker 1>at a.

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<v Speaker 2>Time, which is you know why you never want to

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<v Speaker 2>challenge an ostrich to a foot race, right we all

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<v Speaker 2>know that old saying. Yeah, but you know, I did

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<v Speaker 2>some reading on what makes ostriches such great runners, and

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<v Speaker 2>it turns out the key to their speed is actually

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<v Speaker 2>their toes.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, so why is that?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, so most birds have three or four toes on

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<v Speaker 2>each foot, but ostriches only have two. And while you

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<v Speaker 2>might think this would hinder the bird's balance in some way,

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<v Speaker 2>the reduced number of toes actually greatly improves the running form.

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<v Speaker 2>And as it turns out, two toed feet result in

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<v Speaker 2>less mass at the end of each leg, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>why ostriches can cover up to sixteen feet in a

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<v Speaker 2>single stride.

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<v Speaker 1>Sixteen feet in a single stride. That's crazy, But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this whole two toe thing actually does make sense. I

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<v Speaker 1>read somewhere that hoofed animals once had more toes than

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<v Speaker 1>they do now, but gradually, over the course of millennia,

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<v Speaker 1>their toes dwindled down to just two per foot, and they,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it, became some of the fastest runners in

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<v Speaker 1>the world as a result of that. But that's really

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<v Speaker 1>fascinating to me. Yeah, that is interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, another thing I didn't realize is that

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<v Speaker 2>people have been racing ostridges, you know, for sport, like

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<v Speaker 2>the way we race horses. And this has been going

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<v Speaker 2>on for over one hundred years at this point. And

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<v Speaker 2>weirder still, the practice got its start in Florida, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's where ostrich of course it did, right, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's where ostrich racetracks first started popping up. And

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<v Speaker 2>this was in the late nineteenth century. Taurus would pay

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<v Speaker 2>fifty cents to mount these giant birds and attempt to

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<v Speaker 2>ride them. And you know, I say attempt because of course,

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<v Speaker 2>riding an ostrich is easier said than done, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>they don't take well to training, and it's next to

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<v Speaker 2>impossible to make them run in a straight line. Not

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<v Speaker 2>to mention how hard it is to hang on to

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<v Speaker 2>the back of something that's moving at forty miles per hour.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there's actually a way around that problem now

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<v Speaker 1>that there's this annual event at the Meadowlands called the

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<v Speaker 1>Ostrich Derby, and I've never gone, but it just sounds

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<v Speaker 1>so great to me. So instead of riding the bird's bareback,

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<v Speaker 1>the jockeys are actually being pulled along in these brightly

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<v Speaker 1>colored chariots and the whole thing is completely ridiculous, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's got its own audience. Twenty eighteen was actually the

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<v Speaker 1>seventh year of the races have been held, and you

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<v Speaker 1>and I should really go to this.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, we gotta get tickets next year.

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<v Speaker 2>I do want to mention though, that if you ever

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<v Speaker 2>come face to face with a wild ostridge, running away

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<v Speaker 2>is not in your best interest.

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<v Speaker 1>Why not?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean there's a good chance the ostrich will

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<v Speaker 2>give chase. And remember these things can top out at

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<v Speaker 2>like forty five miles per hour, so.

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<v Speaker 1>They will catch you right. And male ostriches can grow

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<v Speaker 1>to be I think nine feet tall and over three

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<v Speaker 1>hundred pounds, so you definitely don't want to be on

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<v Speaker 1>the receiving end of that. But ostriches are sometimes known

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<v Speaker 1>to attack humans if they feel their territory is being threatened.

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<v Speaker 1>But if running is out, like, what is your best

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<v Speaker 1>bet for surviving an angry ostrich attack?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I looked into that because obviously ostrich attacks are

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<v Speaker 2>such a common threat that it's really just irresponsible to

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<v Speaker 2>not be prepared for one. And so this is the

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<v Speaker 2>advice I found in Discovery News. Instead of running away

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<v Speaker 2>in terror, they recommend quote hiding, playing dead until the

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<v Speaker 2>bird becomes bored and leaves, or standing your ground and

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<v Speaker 2>fighting the ostriche off with a long pole.

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<v Speaker 1>I like this idea of like fighting an ostrich off

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<v Speaker 1>in a long pull. It makes a lot of sense

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<v Speaker 1>to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, never go anywhere without your ostrich pole and

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<v Speaker 2>you'll be just fine.

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<v Speaker 1>That's good advice. But you know, before we move on

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<v Speaker 1>from ostriches, I do want to talk about a couple

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<v Speaker 1>other ways that these massive birds tip the scales. So,

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<v Speaker 1>for one thing, they have the largest eyes of any

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<v Speaker 1>land mammal on Earth. Each eye is roughly two inches across,

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<v Speaker 1>which means they're about as big as a billiard ball

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<v Speaker 1>and even larger than the bird's own brains. Ostriches also

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<v Speaker 1>have the largest eggs in the world, which I guess

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<v Speaker 1>an average one comes in at about six inches in

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<v Speaker 1>diameter and weighs more than three pounds, which is about

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<v Speaker 1>as much as two dozen chicken eggs.

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<v Speaker 2>Good lawyer, That is one big omelet. Also, though, like

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<v Speaker 2>people do eat them right like current Ostrich eggs a

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<v Speaker 2>delicacy in some.

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<v Speaker 1>Places, definitely, and a single egg provides quite a meal.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's roughly two thousand calories, so basically a

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<v Speaker 1>day's worth.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I know there's at least one more giant bird

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<v Speaker 2>we wanted to cover today, But if you don't mind,

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<v Speaker 2>there are a couple misconceptions about oscar that have always

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<v Speaker 2>bugged me, So I'd like to take a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>minutes to set the record straight on those. And actually

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<v Speaker 2>I want to start with the idea that ostriches bury

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<v Speaker 2>their heads in the sand.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, so I remember this from mental class, but I

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<v Speaker 1>remember thinking it was just an illusion, right, Like, ostrich

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<v Speaker 1>heads are pretty tiny compared to the rest of their bodies,

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<v Speaker 1>so if you're looking at them at a distance and

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<v Speaker 1>they're like nibbling at food, it just might look like

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<v Speaker 1>they're heads stuck in the ground.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's definitely true. But you know, actually, some researchers

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<v Speaker 2>think the real root of the myth has more to

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<v Speaker 2>do with the nesting habits of ostriches. So the birds

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<v Speaker 2>they have to dig some pretty big holes to stow

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<v Speaker 2>those massive eggs you mentioned, and sometimes these holes are

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<v Speaker 2>up to eight feet wide and two feet deep. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's during the egg incubation period where all

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<v Speaker 2>the confusion comes in. Like ostrich parents take turns rotating

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<v Speaker 2>their eggs with their beaks, which you know obviously requires

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<v Speaker 2>them to stick their heads pretty far into the nest.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, to an observer, it might look like

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<v Speaker 2>the ostriches bear its head in the sand, but that's

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<v Speaker 2>actually not what's going on at all.

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<v Speaker 1>That's really fascinating. I never heard that. But do you

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<v Speaker 1>have like another ostrich myth you wanted to share? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And this one it actually goes beyond just ostriches

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<v Speaker 2>because it concerns the origin of an entire family of

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<v Speaker 2>flightless birds known as ratites. So along with ostriches, the

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<v Speaker 2>radites family also includes other big birds like EMUs and rheas,

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<v Speaker 2>as well as tiny flightless birds like kiwis. And for

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<v Speaker 2>the longest time, researchers have assumed that ratites never had

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<v Speaker 2>the ability to fly at all. And that's because we

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<v Speaker 2>know that the wings of these birds are still functional

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<v Speaker 2>rather than ornamental. So an ostrich for example, uses its

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<v Speaker 2>wings like a rudder. Not only are they good for

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<v Speaker 2>maintaining balance, they also help the birds turn and break

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<v Speaker 2>when running at high speeds. So the thinking has been that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, since their wings don't seem to be vestigial,

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<v Speaker 2>ratites probably always lack the ability to fly, and instead

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<v Speaker 2>they simply evolved from other ancient flightless birds.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is really interesting. But I think we're saying is

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<v Speaker 1>that theory is now being challenged. Is that right, right?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that is right.

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<v Speaker 2>More recent research suggests that the ancestors of Ratite spread

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<v Speaker 2>to more isolated regions at a time when their wings

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<v Speaker 2>were still used for flying, and you know, they likely

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<v Speaker 2>did this as a way to avoid becoming the lunch

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<v Speaker 2>of their larger dinosaur cousins. And you know, then as

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<v Speaker 2>the dinosaurs died out and the continents began to separate,

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<v Speaker 2>these now isolated birds found themselves at the top of

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<v Speaker 2>the food chain and suddenly without the need to escape

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<v Speaker 2>to higher ground anymore. So once the need for flight

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<v Speaker 2>was removed, so too was the need to stay small.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, in order to be able to fly,

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<v Speaker 2>and that enabled the birds to independently evolve and become

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<v Speaker 2>larger as well as flightless.

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<v Speaker 1>Which you know, makes a lot of sense, and it

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<v Speaker 1>also explains why far flung islands are home to so

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<v Speaker 1>many big flightless birds. Right Like New Zealand had this

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<v Speaker 1>twelve but tall, five hundred pound moa bird, and that

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<v Speaker 1>was until humans hunted it to extinction in the thirteenth century.

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<v Speaker 1>And Madagascar was also home to this elephant bird. I'd

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<v Speaker 1>never heard of this bird, but it's amazing. It was

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<v Speaker 1>an astonishing ten feet tall and nine hundred pounds. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I mean jackbirds can thrive in these island settings,

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<v Speaker 1>partially because there aren't any you know, predators for them

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<v Speaker 1>to worry about, aside from humans.

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<v Speaker 3>Right exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, with all that in mind, what do you say

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<v Speaker 2>we talk a little about another member of the rat

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<v Speaker 2>tite family, one of the world's biggest and most misunderstood birds,

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<v Speaker 2>the island dwelling cassowary.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, so this is actually what I've been waiting to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about. But before we do, let's take another quick.

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<v Speaker 2>Break, all right, Mango, So you said you were excited

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about cassawerries, just like I am, so would

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<v Speaker 2>you mind giving us a quick rundown of their stats,

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<v Speaker 2>because I somehow feel they're not as well known as

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<v Speaker 2>ostriches and penguins and.

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<v Speaker 3>All these other birds we've been talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's definitely true. So cassowaries are large, flightless birds.

0:23:17.160 --> 0:23:20.679
<v Speaker 1>They've got black and blue feathers and these big protective

0:23:20.800 --> 0:23:23.920
<v Speaker 1>frills on the sides of their heads called casks. And

0:23:24.080 --> 0:23:25.960
<v Speaker 1>there are only three species in the world at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>Two live in the rainforest of New Guinea off the

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<v Speaker 1>coast of Australia, and the third and largest one lives

0:23:31.960 --> 0:23:34.440
<v Speaker 1>in the wet tropics. This is in the northern tip

0:23:34.480 --> 0:23:37.840
<v Speaker 1>of Australia. You know. Birds of this third species are

0:23:37.840 --> 0:23:41.520
<v Speaker 1>called southern cassowarys, and they typically weigh in around one

0:23:41.600 --> 0:23:44.520
<v Speaker 1>hundred and thirty pounds. They stand about six feet tall,

0:23:44.560 --> 0:23:49.000
<v Speaker 1>and they're also fiercely territorial. If you intrude on their habitats,

0:23:49.160 --> 0:23:52.200
<v Speaker 1>they'll happily slice you up with their terrifying five inch

0:23:52.280 --> 0:23:53.680
<v Speaker 1>long claws. Ough.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, cassowaries are famous for that kind of deadliness, and

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<v Speaker 2>with good reason, honestly, Like, I was reading this article

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<v Speaker 2>on smithsonian dot Com and the author Jacob Brogan. He

0:24:04.680 --> 0:24:09.200
<v Speaker 2>said that cassawaries resemble quote an ostriche as described by

0:24:09.440 --> 0:24:14.680
<v Speaker 2>HP Lovecraft, or maybe a turkey fused with a veloci raptor.

0:24:16.119 --> 0:24:18.840
<v Speaker 2>And I mean, if those descriptions don't sell you on

0:24:18.920 --> 0:24:22.400
<v Speaker 2>how dangerous these birds are, consider that they're also sometimes

0:24:22.520 --> 0:24:27.000
<v Speaker 2>nicknamed murder birds. What yeah, And I mean, not only

0:24:27.040 --> 0:24:30.280
<v Speaker 2>do they have those razor sharp clause you mentioned, they

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<v Speaker 2>also have one of the strongest kicks of any animal,

0:24:33.280 --> 0:24:36.359
<v Speaker 2>and they also have a tendency to charge their victims

0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:39.240
<v Speaker 2>at up to thirty miles per hour and then they

0:24:39.320 --> 0:24:41.800
<v Speaker 2>pounce on them by leaping up to five feet in

0:24:41.840 --> 0:24:42.320
<v Speaker 2>the air.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah. That's terrifying. And it also makes me wonder, like

0:24:45.920 --> 0:24:48.520
<v Speaker 1>what if they remade the movie Birds with murder birds

0:24:48.560 --> 0:24:51.639
<v Speaker 1>like that would be so much scarier. But you know,

0:24:51.840 --> 0:24:54.600
<v Speaker 1>you mentioned before the break that cassowaris are somewhat misunderstood,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was hoping you clarify that a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, it's just like with ostriches, you know, cassawaryes

0:25:01.000 --> 0:25:04.520
<v Speaker 2>aren't some kind of malicious human hunters like we might

0:25:04.560 --> 0:25:08.440
<v Speaker 2>think of them. They're actually shy, peaceful, and pretty harmless

0:25:08.480 --> 0:25:11.800
<v Speaker 2>when left to themselves. And in fact, a cassowary hasn't

0:25:11.880 --> 0:25:15.400
<v Speaker 2>killed a human since nineteen twenty six, and even then

0:25:15.440 --> 0:25:18.600
<v Speaker 2>that was only in self defense. And you know, while

0:25:18.680 --> 0:25:22.440
<v Speaker 2>over one hundred humans have been injured by cassawiris since then,

0:25:22.800 --> 0:25:26.440
<v Speaker 2>we've actually done way more damage to them, like car

0:25:26.520 --> 0:25:30.640
<v Speaker 2>accidents and habitat loss. Those kinds of things have decimated

0:25:30.680 --> 0:25:34.960
<v Speaker 2>the southern cassawary population in Australia and in fact, they're

0:25:35.000 --> 0:25:38.720
<v Speaker 2>now listed as endangered and only around fifteen hundred to

0:25:38.800 --> 0:25:41.159
<v Speaker 2>two thousand are thought to be left in the wild

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<v Speaker 2>at this point, and it really it could be even

0:25:44.240 --> 0:25:45.639
<v Speaker 2>fewer than that for all we know.

0:25:46.520 --> 0:25:48.159
<v Speaker 1>So one of the things I didn't get to that

0:25:48.240 --> 0:25:50.560
<v Speaker 1>was curious about the castowarrias is how did the locals

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<v Speaker 1>feel about them, Because on one hand, I think the

0:25:54.119 --> 0:25:57.639
<v Speaker 1>birds would figure into like culture and folklore, and on

0:25:57.640 --> 0:26:00.560
<v Speaker 1>the other hand, people probably don't want these giant dinosaur

0:26:00.600 --> 0:26:02.240
<v Speaker 1>birds just slicing up their neighbors.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, that's a good point, and you know, I'd

0:26:05.600 --> 0:26:08.640
<v Speaker 2>say it's kind of a rocky relationship at the best.

0:26:08.760 --> 0:26:13.280
<v Speaker 2>But the cassowaries definitely have their supporters, like in fact,

0:26:13.400 --> 0:26:16.800
<v Speaker 2>you'll often see signs along the highways in Australia now

0:26:16.840 --> 0:26:23.639
<v Speaker 2>that encourage motorists to be CASSOWERI fun, right, and you

0:26:23.680 --> 0:26:25.320
<v Speaker 2>know that's just a you know, get people to keep

0:26:25.359 --> 0:26:27.719
<v Speaker 2>an eye out for the birds while they're driving. And

0:26:28.160 --> 0:26:31.520
<v Speaker 2>as for folklore, cassowaries have always been a big part

0:26:31.520 --> 0:26:35.879
<v Speaker 2>of the mythologies of Australia's rainforest tribes. For example, some

0:26:36.000 --> 0:26:39.960
<v Speaker 2>locals believe the cassawerys are cousins to human beings, while

0:26:40.000 --> 0:26:42.560
<v Speaker 2>others say that they are human beings who have been

0:26:42.560 --> 0:26:46.840
<v Speaker 2>reincarnated as birds. And actually, this last part there, it's

0:26:46.880 --> 0:26:49.960
<v Speaker 2>actually even inspired a bit of envy in some of

0:26:50.000 --> 0:26:53.159
<v Speaker 2>the female locals, Like they'll joke that they'd like to

0:26:53.240 --> 0:26:57.399
<v Speaker 2>reincarnate as female cassowaries since it's the males of that

0:26:57.480 --> 0:27:00.280
<v Speaker 2>species rather than the females who sit on all the

0:27:00.320 --> 0:27:03.680
<v Speaker 2>eggs and then raise the chicks that hatch from them.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, even apart from the stress free reincarnation

0:27:07.600 --> 0:27:10.199
<v Speaker 1>for females, Australians do have another reason to stand up

0:27:10.240 --> 0:27:11.920
<v Speaker 1>for the cassawerret cousins.

0:27:11.920 --> 0:27:12.800
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, what's that.

0:27:13.320 --> 0:27:17.280
<v Speaker 1>Well, apparently cassowarys are masters of seed dispersal, which means

0:27:17.280 --> 0:27:19.600
<v Speaker 1>they're a big part of why Australia still has as

0:27:19.720 --> 0:27:22.720
<v Speaker 1>much rainforest as it does. And this is something I

0:27:22.760 --> 0:27:25.439
<v Speaker 1>learned from a NAT Geo article by Olivia Judson, so

0:27:25.640 --> 0:27:27.320
<v Speaker 1>I just want to go ahead and read her explanation

0:27:27.400 --> 0:27:31.879
<v Speaker 1>of this relationship quote as Australia's fruit eaters and chief

0:27:32.040 --> 0:27:35.320
<v Speaker 1>cassawerres are also chief architects of the forest. In the

0:27:35.359 --> 0:27:38.400
<v Speaker 1>course of a day, a single adult cassowery eats hundreds

0:27:38.400 --> 0:27:42.040
<v Speaker 1>of fruits and berries. Cassowary digestion is gentle, though, and

0:27:42.119 --> 0:27:45.080
<v Speaker 1>does not harm the seeds which emerge intact. And so

0:27:45.400 --> 0:27:49.200
<v Speaker 1>as a cassawery wanders through its territory, eating, drinking, bathing,

0:27:49.240 --> 0:27:51.639
<v Speaker 1>and defecating, it moves seeds from one part of the

0:27:51.640 --> 0:27:54.840
<v Speaker 1>forest to another, sometimes over distances of half a mile

0:27:54.960 --> 0:27:58.240
<v Speaker 1>or more. It also moves seeds uphills and across rivers.

0:27:58.600 --> 0:28:01.240
<v Speaker 1>In short, it transports the seeds in ways that gravity

0:28:01.280 --> 0:28:04.320
<v Speaker 1>alone cannot by means of their fruit scented droppings, then

0:28:04.560 --> 0:28:07.720
<v Speaker 1>cassawerris are a powerful vehicle for spreading seeds around.

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<v Speaker 2>That is pretty awesome, and you know now that you

0:28:11.680 --> 0:28:14.960
<v Speaker 2>mention it. That's something I read about large birds in general,

0:28:15.119 --> 0:28:18.800
<v Speaker 2>like how the growth or loss of rainforests is directly

0:28:18.880 --> 0:28:22.720
<v Speaker 2>tied to their presence. I mean, the tallest, hardiest trees,

0:28:22.920 --> 0:28:26.280
<v Speaker 2>those tend to come from bigger seeds, and without birds

0:28:26.320 --> 0:28:29.119
<v Speaker 2>big enough to carry or swallow them, the odds of

0:28:29.160 --> 0:28:33.239
<v Speaker 2>those seeds ever taking root is pretty slim. So in

0:28:33.280 --> 0:28:36.760
<v Speaker 2>a very real way, the future of our rainforest depends

0:28:36.800 --> 0:28:40.480
<v Speaker 2>on the existence of big, weirdo birds like the castlary.

0:28:40.800 --> 0:28:41.400
<v Speaker 1>I like that.

0:28:42.160 --> 0:28:44.280
<v Speaker 2>And you know, in fact, there was this one study

0:28:44.320 --> 0:28:47.040
<v Speaker 2>done on a particular tree that only grows in a

0:28:47.080 --> 0:28:50.600
<v Speaker 2>small region of Australia's coastal rainforests, and it went a

0:28:50.640 --> 0:28:54.120
<v Speaker 2>long way towards showing just how crucial castaways are for

0:28:54.200 --> 0:28:57.719
<v Speaker 2>the trees survival. And that's because, according to the report,

0:28:57.880 --> 0:29:01.440
<v Speaker 2>without passing through one of these giant bds, only four

0:29:01.520 --> 0:29:05.080
<v Speaker 2>percent of these tree seeds ever take root and grow.

0:29:05.840 --> 0:29:09.600
<v Speaker 2>But after passing through a casawary a lopping ninety two

0:29:09.760 --> 0:29:12.440
<v Speaker 2>percent were shown to grow into adult trees.

0:29:12.680 --> 0:29:15.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's remarkable, Like ninety two percent of the

0:29:15.360 --> 0:29:17.840
<v Speaker 1>seeds that go through casseawarris end up growing into trees.

0:29:17.880 --> 0:29:19.960
<v Speaker 1>But why is that exactly?

0:29:21.000 --> 0:29:23.120
<v Speaker 3>That's the thing no one knows exactly.

0:29:23.240 --> 0:29:26.360
<v Speaker 2>It's it's still one of the best kept bird secrets

0:29:26.360 --> 0:29:29.880
<v Speaker 2>out there. And you know, because I like that idea

0:29:29.960 --> 0:29:32.320
<v Speaker 2>of going out, you know, with an air of mystery.

0:29:32.600 --> 0:29:34.560
<v Speaker 2>What do you say we just leave the discussion there

0:29:34.640 --> 0:29:35.880
<v Speaker 2>and jump straight into.

0:29:35.680 --> 0:29:36.280
<v Speaker 3>The fact off.

0:29:36.440 --> 0:29:36.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm for it.

0:29:37.040 --> 0:29:47.320
<v Speaker 2>Let's do it, Okay, So I'll go first, because I

0:29:47.360 --> 0:29:49.840
<v Speaker 2>can't bear going through an episode like this without at

0:29:49.920 --> 0:29:53.960
<v Speaker 2>least mentioning the fastest predator on the planet, the peregrine falcon,

0:29:55.120 --> 0:29:58.800
<v Speaker 2>And they have two unbelievable abilities. The first is their eyesight,

0:29:59.200 --> 0:30:01.800
<v Speaker 2>and I read somewhere that their vision it's about twelve

0:30:01.920 --> 0:30:05.000
<v Speaker 2>times that of humans, and they can actually use it

0:30:05.040 --> 0:30:08.240
<v Speaker 2>to spot a smaller bird from up to five miles away.

0:30:09.000 --> 0:30:11.400
<v Speaker 2>And once this prey is spotted, I mean it might

0:30:11.440 --> 0:30:14.320
<v Speaker 2>as well call it quits. Because peregrine falcons can fly

0:30:14.480 --> 0:30:17.480
<v Speaker 2>over one hundred and eighty miles per hour when they

0:30:17.560 --> 0:30:18.360
<v Speaker 2>hit peak speed.

0:30:18.760 --> 0:30:19.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeh, that's terrifying.

0:30:19.880 --> 0:30:20.040
<v Speaker 4>You know.

0:30:20.280 --> 0:30:24.360
<v Speaker 1>I was at the beach and walking with like a

0:30:24.440 --> 0:30:28.040
<v Speaker 1>tray of food and fries on it for my kids,

0:30:28.160 --> 0:30:31.520
<v Speaker 1>and this seagull just swooped down and picked up one

0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:34.920
<v Speaker 1>fry off the plate, and I just remember being stunned

0:30:34.960 --> 0:30:36.960
<v Speaker 1>at like how fast it was, and how accurate, and

0:30:37.000 --> 0:30:38.920
<v Speaker 1>the fact that like a falcon can do that at

0:30:38.920 --> 0:30:41.600
<v Speaker 1>one hundred and eighty miles per hour is so scary

0:30:41.600 --> 0:30:46.280
<v Speaker 1>to me. But you know, we talked about penguins earlier,

0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:47.880
<v Speaker 1>but I wanted to note that while we think of

0:30:47.880 --> 0:30:50.560
<v Speaker 1>penguins mainly being at the South Pole, there are definitely

0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:53.400
<v Speaker 1>a few other spots where you can find them. In fact,

0:30:53.440 --> 0:30:56.080
<v Speaker 1>the majority of the world's eighteen penguin species also live

0:30:56.120 --> 0:30:58.680
<v Speaker 1>around New Zealand. But the reason I bring this up

0:30:58.760 --> 0:31:01.040
<v Speaker 1>is because a few years ago there was this fossil

0:31:01.120 --> 0:31:03.640
<v Speaker 1>that was discovered on what might be the largest penguin

0:31:03.680 --> 0:31:07.400
<v Speaker 1>species to ever live. It was probably over fifty million

0:31:07.480 --> 0:31:10.960
<v Speaker 1>years ago, but the penguin was six feet tall and

0:31:11.040 --> 0:31:14.480
<v Speaker 1>two hundred twenty pounds, So even the Emperor penguin, which

0:31:14.520 --> 0:31:17.040
<v Speaker 1>is gigantic, would seem tiny next to this thing.

0:31:18.040 --> 0:31:19.560
<v Speaker 3>That's scary to even think about.

0:31:20.520 --> 0:31:23.720
<v Speaker 2>If if you search online for the bird hat craze

0:31:23.760 --> 0:31:26.600
<v Speaker 2>of the late eighteen hundreds, or if you listen to

0:31:26.600 --> 0:31:30.160
<v Speaker 2>the podcast Dressed, you will realize that this was a

0:31:30.240 --> 0:31:31.440
<v Speaker 2>really serious fad.

0:31:31.520 --> 0:31:33.080
<v Speaker 3>At some point these bird hats.

0:31:33.440 --> 0:31:36.080
<v Speaker 2>Women all over the US and Europe were wearing these

0:31:36.120 --> 0:31:39.560
<v Speaker 2>hats with feathers and even entire birds propped on top.

0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:42.560
<v Speaker 2>Like I was reading an article from Popular Science that

0:31:42.640 --> 0:31:46.800
<v Speaker 2>talked about how someone reported back after taking two strolls

0:31:46.920 --> 0:31:51.440
<v Speaker 2>through Manhattan in eighteen eighty six, and on this stroll

0:31:51.520 --> 0:31:55.640
<v Speaker 2>they counted seven hundred hats, and five hundred and twenty

0:31:55.680 --> 0:32:00.000
<v Speaker 2>five of them were topped by feathers or just entire birds.

0:32:00.680 --> 0:32:03.680
<v Speaker 2>So I mean the craze it actually got so big

0:32:03.760 --> 0:32:07.600
<v Speaker 2>that several bird species became at risk of or even

0:32:07.640 --> 0:32:11.800
<v Speaker 2>outright endangered, and a campaign to stop the practice launched,

0:32:11.800 --> 0:32:13.760
<v Speaker 2>and much of this work led to the birth of

0:32:13.800 --> 0:32:17.560
<v Speaker 2>the earliest autobonn societies, as well as the first federal

0:32:17.600 --> 0:32:22.160
<v Speaker 2>conservation legislation, which was the Lacy Act of nineteen hundred.

0:32:23.200 --> 0:32:25.560
<v Speaker 1>So do you know that one of the ways researchers

0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:27.920
<v Speaker 1>can take a census of large birds on remote islands

0:32:27.920 --> 0:32:30.680
<v Speaker 1>is from space, And this is how a researcher is

0:32:30.680 --> 0:32:33.520
<v Speaker 1>studying albatross in New Zealand and on islands off the

0:32:33.560 --> 0:32:36.760
<v Speaker 1>coast of Argentina actually keep a better count of the birds.

0:32:37.200 --> 0:32:39.760
<v Speaker 1>So it's with a little help from cameras on satellites

0:32:39.920 --> 0:32:43.000
<v Speaker 1>orbiting the Earth, researchers can actually look at images and

0:32:43.080 --> 0:32:46.840
<v Speaker 1>count the pixelated white dots to see how many albatrosses

0:32:46.880 --> 0:32:50.280
<v Speaker 1>are there, and ends up being way cheaper and much

0:32:50.400 --> 0:32:52.800
<v Speaker 1>less labor intensive than having to travel and count them

0:32:52.840 --> 0:32:53.440
<v Speaker 1>all in person.

0:32:53.960 --> 0:32:54.560
<v Speaker 3>Oh I bet.

0:32:55.160 --> 0:32:57.479
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, they might be able to count birds

0:32:57.520 --> 0:32:59.920
<v Speaker 2>from space, but one thing they won't be able to

0:32:59.920 --> 0:33:02.280
<v Speaker 2>do is take birds into space.

0:33:02.360 --> 0:33:04.920
<v Speaker 1>Why is that, Well, it's because.

0:33:04.640 --> 0:33:06.840
<v Speaker 3>Birds need gravity to swallow.

0:33:07.000 --> 0:33:10.040
<v Speaker 2>So unless we come up with another way to assist

0:33:10.080 --> 0:33:13.760
<v Speaker 2>birds in swallowing, chances are you know, NASA's not going

0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:16.640
<v Speaker 2>to be bringing any birds on future Shuttle launches, at

0:33:16.720 --> 0:33:17.720
<v Speaker 2>least not anytime soon.

0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:20.800
<v Speaker 1>Well, it just seemed wrong to me to do an

0:33:20.840 --> 0:33:23.680
<v Speaker 1>episode on Big Birds and not at least mentioned Big

0:33:23.720 --> 0:33:27.240
<v Speaker 1>Bird himself. So, you know, Carol Spinney, who is the

0:33:27.320 --> 0:33:30.000
<v Speaker 1>voice of Big Bird and Oscar the Grouch. It turns

0:33:30.040 --> 0:33:32.680
<v Speaker 1>out that if it wasn't for the encouragement of a mentor,

0:33:33.080 --> 0:33:34.880
<v Speaker 1>he might not have made it past the first year

0:33:34.880 --> 0:33:37.200
<v Speaker 1>of the show. When Spinney moved to New York City,

0:33:37.240 --> 0:33:39.600
<v Speaker 1>he didn't have much money. New York City is obviously

0:33:39.800 --> 0:33:42.160
<v Speaker 1>very expensive, and he didn't feel like he was fitting

0:33:42.160 --> 0:33:44.320
<v Speaker 1>in with the rest of the cast. So just a

0:33:44.320 --> 0:33:47.440
<v Speaker 1>few months into the gig. He mentioned this to Kermit Love,

0:33:47.480 --> 0:33:50.640
<v Speaker 1>who's the man who built Big Bird, and you know,

0:33:50.680 --> 0:33:53.560
<v Speaker 1>he said I might be quitting, and Kermit encouraged him

0:33:53.600 --> 0:33:55.560
<v Speaker 1>to give it some time, and in fact, he told him,

0:33:55.840 --> 0:33:58.560
<v Speaker 1>you'll never get an opportunity like this again. It'll get

0:33:58.640 --> 0:34:02.840
<v Speaker 1>better given another momth and nearly five decades later, I'm

0:34:02.880 --> 0:34:04.959
<v Speaker 1>pretty sure he's glad he got that advice.

0:34:05.680 --> 0:34:08.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would say so, and I mean, because there's

0:34:08.640 --> 0:34:11.200
<v Speaker 2>just no way I could beat a Big Bird. Fact,

0:34:12.160 --> 0:34:14.400
<v Speaker 2>I think you'll have to take the trophy for today.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'll take that honor from you, Gabe. So thank

0:34:17.560 --> 0:34:19.520
<v Speaker 1>you so much, and for all you out there. If

0:34:19.520 --> 0:34:22.200
<v Speaker 1>we missed any Bird facts, be sure to email us

0:34:22.200 --> 0:34:24.799
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0:34:27.440 --> 0:34:39.080
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<v Speaker 5>Gabe Bluesier is our lead researcher, with support from the

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<v Speaker 5>Research Army including Austin Thompson, Nolan Brown and Lucas Adams

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<v Speaker 5>and Eves.

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<v Speaker 1>Jeffcote gets the show to your ears. Good job, Eves.

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<v Speaker 5>If you like what you heard, we hope you'll subscribe,

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<v Speaker 5>And if you really really like what you've heard, maybe

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<v Speaker 5>you could leave a good review for us.

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<v Speaker 1>Do we forget Jason?

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<v Speaker 3>Jason who