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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 3: We wanted to do something that highlighted our.

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Speaker 2: Relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are

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Speaker 2: a sibling.

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Speaker 3: Railvalry, No, no, sibling, don't do that with your mouth.

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Speaker 1: Revelry.

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Speaker 3: That's good.

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Speaker 1: Oliver Hudson, Oliver Hudson, I've been saying my name a

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Speaker 1: lot lately. I it's a slow day. I had to

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Speaker 1: wake up super early and drop my kids off at

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Speaker 1: the airport. Getting that age.

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Speaker 2: Now where they're flying alone. You know, I think they think.

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Speaker 1: They're all cool. The going back to LA They're doing

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Speaker 1: camp counselor stuff, which is good anyway. All that all

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Speaker 1: that to say, I'm just tired. O.

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Speaker 2: YEI got it, had to get up at six with

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Speaker 2: the boys.

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Speaker 1: But no reason to complain. I'm in beautiful Colorado looking

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Speaker 1: outside my window. The sky is blue, the clouds look fake,

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Speaker 1: the trees are green. So what am I? What am

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Speaker 1: I complaining about a little fatigue in my life? Summer

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Speaker 1: is coming to an end, and that's sad. All the

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Speaker 1: kids are back in Los Angeles and I'm taking about

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Speaker 1: a week under a week just to spend some time

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Speaker 1: with Milady solo mission end of the summer.

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Speaker 2: Just get our bone in. It's gonna bone it out.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna bone it out a lot. I'm gonna try.

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Speaker 1: Because when I try and then I get rejected, I

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Speaker 1: get upset, so then I stop trying. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: this vicious cycle. But I don't get rejected that much.

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Speaker 1: We have a nice boning atmosphere twenty five years in.

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Speaker 1: If you don't bone, you can't find home, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean?

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Speaker 2: That was Hemingway. Hemingway wrote that, all right, enough of boning.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll talk a lot about boning in this

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Speaker 1: next in this next segment with his next guest, who

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Speaker 1: I worked with on a Netflix show, call a Mary

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Speaker 1: little X Miss. I think that's what it's called. I'm

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Speaker 1: in the movie and I still don't know the exact

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Speaker 1: title of the movie. But we hit it off tremendously

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Speaker 1: immediately because she has absolutely no filter, as do I,

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Speaker 1: as I don't, as do I not, whatever the correct

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Speaker 1: English is, So please welcome into the show, Onto the show,

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Speaker 1: Jamila Jamil, what a babe.

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Speaker 3: Hi? How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm good? How are you? Where are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm in London, I was just looking through photos of

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Speaker 3: our movie shoot and what a cute couple we were.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I just got those as well the kills.

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Speaker 1: So for those that don't know, you go through you know,

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Speaker 1: they send you pictures and you can slash the ones

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Speaker 1: that you don't like or want. I'm way too lazy

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Speaker 1: to go through that shit, so I just I let

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Speaker 1: it ride. Nice, I let it ride good. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: I did just do adr yesterday. So I got to

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Speaker 1: see a little bit and I almost threw up.

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Speaker 2: Great.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait.

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Speaker 2: I can't stand looking at myself. It just makes me crazy.

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Speaker 2: It makes me crazy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. Ted Danson said that he cried the first

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Speaker 3: time he sort of saw the good place. So judgmental

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Speaker 3: of himself and he's so hot. It's so ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: No, I know, I know, Well, what are you doing?

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Speaker 2: I was just in London.

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Speaker 3: Why were you in London?

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Speaker 2: Well, I was there for six days. After the.

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Speaker 1: I was in Greece and we did six days in London,

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Speaker 1: and then I stayed because I did the American bake Off. Hmmm.

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question.

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Speaker 1: Do you think controversy follows you or do you bring

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Speaker 1: in controversy?

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Speaker 3: I think I hunted out?

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Speaker 2: Do you hunt it out?

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Speaker 3: I hunt it down? Rather, I seek it out and

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Speaker 3: then I hunt it down. I think it's I think

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Speaker 3: it's both. I think I think I I don't want

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Speaker 3: deter me. So I think I'm just unafraid of controversy

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Speaker 3: rather than literally courting it. But people make it seem

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Speaker 2: But why do you think you're they're crazy? Well, I

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Speaker 2: know because I look, we're friends. Now, I follow you.

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Speaker 1: I see all the shit that you sort of, you know,

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Speaker 1: things and this and that, and you know, sort of

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Speaker 1: pleading your case. Essentially, you're saying, well, here's the truth,

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Speaker 1: here's the reality of all of this. But why do

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Speaker 1: you think you're a target?

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Speaker 3: Because I threaten massive institutions, and I think I threatened systems,

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Speaker 3: and because I'm a decent communicator. I sometimes have been

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Speaker 3: proven to inspire other people to also use their voices,

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Speaker 3: and that can be very dangerous when it comes to

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Speaker 3: disrupting or dismantling power. And so they want to make

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Speaker 3: an example of those of us who stand up and

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Speaker 3: speak loudly so that other people won't want to do it.

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Speaker 3: So if they, you know, humiliate you, or lie about you,

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Speaker 3: or take things away from you, then other people will

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Speaker 3: be deterred from following in your path. And so I

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Speaker 3: think I just fly a little too close to the sun.

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Speaker 3: But that's okay, because you know, I never planned on

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Speaker 1: But how did activism? First of all, do you consider

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: No, okay, that's what I thought. I knew that, but

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Speaker 1: I'm really the audience right now we use that word?

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Speaker 3: Do we give that word? No?

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Speaker 1: Exactly define, define potentially what you feel that you are.

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Speaker 1: And then what activism is or what an activist is?

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Speaker 1: Why is that word? So it's kind of diluted now.

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Speaker 3: Well, because it's trendy. It became trendy after that to movement,

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Speaker 3: and anyone who said anything that went against the current

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Speaker 3: a lot of people in our industry believed it.

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Speaker 3: I think think to be called an activist, you have

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Speaker 3: it's fundamentally going to be okay if you take this

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Speaker 3: And so I would call myself and the rest of

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Speaker 3: you can signal a cause to other people and highlight

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Speaker 3: other great voices, but but to deem myself an activist

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Speaker 3: when I'm posting from my movie trailer, it's bowel business.

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Speaker 2: It's foolery.

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Speaker 1: Well, this is why I love you, because you have

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Speaker 1: like there's no hypocrisy with you in any way.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm very old. I think if there was, I've

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Speaker 2: What do you mean you're old?

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Speaker 3: Forty and forty?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, you're all so old.

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Speaker 1: I am and I just saw it like yesterday when

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Speaker 1: I was watching our scenes.

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Speaker 3: Don't you love it? Though?

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Speaker 2: No? All, no, no, I don't. I mean.

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Speaker 1: The funny thing is, there are some where I'm like, ah, look,

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Speaker 1: I'm not even paying attention to performance this point. I'm

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Speaker 1: I have jaundice? You know, I'm like, what the fuck happened?

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Speaker 1: Why am I yellow?

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Speaker 3: That's just because you're white stuffing next to me?

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Speaker 1: Probably, And then there's scenes I'm like, look, all right,

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Speaker 1: you know fits skin tones there, and then boom, next

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Speaker 2: Is going on?

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Speaker 3: I think you've been in La too long and you

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Speaker 3: Colorad right but I'm in England right now, and we're

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Speaker 3: Americans are always flossing in movies. We don't even perform flossing.

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Speaker 3: it's a lovely normal ground to be so I think

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Speaker 1: But why, but why? But why is London still like that?

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Speaker 1: Are the English still Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Look, we're not impenetrable, you know, because we're the Internet.

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Speaker 3: But it's just you've walked around the streets here generally

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Speaker 2: But I never understood the teeth thing. I don't get that.

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Speaker 2: Why why?

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Speaker 3: I think we just can't be asked. We're busy, we're

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Speaker 3: frowned upon to be concerned with your appearance, which is

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Speaker 3: a different type of snobbery, but it's one that makes

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Speaker 3: I feel like a lot of our actors look like

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Speaker 3: we all look sort of more haggard and very emotive

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Speaker 3: so you can't have your lips done to be like

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Speaker 3: my Lord wherefore, because it would look fucking crazy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So.

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Speaker 3: I think it's just a different culture, you know. I

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Speaker 3: London eleven.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well I loved it, My kids loved it. We

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Speaker 1: teeth too, by the way.

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Speaker 3: Were they your own? In the mirror?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? There?

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Speaker 1: But you said that you didn't want to do this right,

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Speaker 1: You didn't want to be an entertainer, you didn't want

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so how did that happen for you?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 3: I was an English teacher and I was street scattered

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Speaker 3: and he said that I should be on television and

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Speaker 3: I said I would never be on television. I was,

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Speaker 3: you know, I was very up my own ass, in

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Speaker 3: my snobbery. And then he said it was one thousand

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Speaker 3: Oh, humbling times. Do you remember me on the sledge?

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Speaker 3: We all thought I was going to die?

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Speaker 3: No, you all did? I have you on video shitting yourself?

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Speaker 2: Did you want to be a teacher? Is this what

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Speaker 3: I grew up in London and then Spain, and then

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Speaker 2: When did he become your half sibling? Were you? Are

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, but did that Did he go away to university?

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Speaker 3: We stayed in touch, but it became harder as I

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Speaker 3: But he was so cool and creative. You know, he

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Speaker 3: So I owe this motherfucker forever.

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Speaker 2: But when did you reconnect to where you got close?

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Speaker 3: Well, I moved near him. I moved near he moved

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Speaker 2: He shaped me, he did, he raised you a little.

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Speaker 3: to excel. So I I think I just had to.

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00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 3: I just I just knew the pressure that was on

442
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 3: my shoulders to achieve and make my family very proud.

443
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:40,880
Speaker 3: And you know, I've spoken about this for I don't

444
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 3: like to go into too much debt about it, but

445
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,400
Speaker 3: I come from a sad family like I come from

446
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 3: a family of mentally troubled, abused people, you know, who

447
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 3: struggle with their mental health in all kinds of different

448
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,680
Speaker 3: like debilitating ways. And I was aware of that from

449
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 3: as soon as I could understand, so I knew that

450
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:02,200
Speaker 3: being funny or making them laugh, making the proud created

451
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 3: just a little respite through the tension and the mania

452
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 3: of my household. That was, you know, in moments, very

453
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 3: fun and entertaining but also terrifying. So, you know, so

454
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 3: I just got through it. You know, you just understand

455
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 3: as a kid what you need to do. And so

456
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 3: I made my entire identity studying. And then no one

457
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 3: fingered me till I was in my twenties by choice.

458
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 2: No, he told me that story. You told me the

459
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 2: story of that moment, very very fun.

460
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 3: I didn't tell you about getting fingered.

461
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,239
Speaker 2: I think you might have.

462
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 3: No, I didn't. I don't even remember. I just know

463
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 3: it didn't happen until I was in my twenties. Well

464
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 3: what are you thinking of.

465
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 1: Well, there was some sort of a situation that happened

466
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 1: later or way later on in life where it was like,

467
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 1: let's just get this over with.

468
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 2: Maybe it was losing your virgin.

469
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 3: No, it was my first kiss. It was my best friend.

470
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 3: Because everyone was worried that everyone bought me the fourty

471
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,439
Speaker 3: year old No, no, it's not I'm not a Hollywood child.

472
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 3: The forty year old virgin came out and I was

473
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,919
Speaker 3: in my early twenties and everyone was scared that was

474
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 3: going to be me. So one of my best friends

475
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,199
Speaker 3: just laid one on me, just kissed me, and then

476
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:23,160
Speaker 3: it was done. And then I became a kissing maniac,

477
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 3: but just with him, you know. And so I've still

478
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 3: not really sown my wild oats. I've only slept five people.

479
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 2: But that's not who you really are.

480
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 3: No, it's just not I have no game, and you

481
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 3: know that now, you know it's not an act. We've

482
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 3: spent some significant time.

483
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:46,439
Speaker 1: Together, No, I know, I know, but you attribute that

484
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 1: just to who you are, you know, I mean, yeah,

485
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 1: just you just but you found your man, you found

486
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 1: your guy.

487
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know how well when he writes these

488
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 3: songs about me, these love songs, I'm like, is he

489
00:24:59,160 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 3: having an affair?

490
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 2: Cannot be about me me?

491
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:05,679
Speaker 3: I think I told you when we were in Canada

492
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 3: together that that he wrote this song with Travis Scott,

493
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 3: you know, who at the time was dating his baby mama,

494
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 3: Kylie Jenna, and she's very like sexual and he was

495
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 3: singing like, you know, Travis is singing about Kylie, and

496
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 3: James is singing about me, and and Travis is like

497
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 3: air is better than a beach, and then he's talking

498
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 3: about her peach and he's just being really like raunchy,

499
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 3: and then James's lyrics, she's a very nice person. Yes,

500
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 3: it's like just just being like just dunked in humble pie,

501
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 3: but that is who I am.

502
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 1: It's amazing how you have found someone and he has

503
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 1: found someone who you just understand each other. And it

504
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: sounds like you live very sort of independent lives in

505
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 1: the best possible way because you were not you were

506
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: not relying on each other necessarily. You know, we love

507
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: each other and want each other and want to be

508
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: with each other, but at the same time, you know

509
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: there's some ease to what you guys do.

510
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 2: It's different, different than most relationships. Would you would you

511
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 2: say that's true?

512
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know if I'm aware of

513
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 3: too many other relationships. I know that we're best friends

514
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 3: and we're obsessed with each other, so that's just really nice.

515
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 3: And I know that he treats me incredibly well. We

516
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 3: treat each other very very well and with lots of respect,

517
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 3: and we are a full team. And we've been a

518
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 3: team pretty much since the minute that we met, even

519
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,360
Speaker 3: when we want to kill each other. It's we're still

520
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 3: a fucking team. And I think I think I can

521
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 3: also credit my brother as to why I was looking

522
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 3: for a gentleman in my life. My brother's a proper gentleman,

523
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 3: like old school gentlemen, like to the point where for

524
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,479
Speaker 3: a while he started dressing as like a Victorian gentleman,

525
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 3: and he took it far. But that was very chic

526
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 3: in London, you know, in the like naughties and nineties,

527
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 3: you know, none of us. I was thinking the other

528
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 3: day when walking through the park in London, I was like, God,

529
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 3: if an alien landed here right now, they would have

530
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 3: no idea what year this is, because everyone is so

531
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 3: dedicated to and we don't just like have a nod

532
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 3: to another era. You have like nineteen year olds who've

533
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 3: never seen anything from the seventies dressed like full like

534
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 3: full Dylan vibes. You know, it's very very funny. But anyway,

535
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 3: so my brother was the like the most gentlemanly person

536
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 3: I've ever met, and I think I always looked for

537
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 3: that in partners as someone who was very very kind

538
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 3: and had great manners and and was old fashioned in

539
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 3: that way.

540
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:45,719
Speaker 2: You know, I've never.

541
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 3: I've never really dated disrespectful. I've never had an attraction

542
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 3: to disrespectful people, thank god, because God knows, Hollywood has

543
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 3: trained women to look for disrespectful bad boys.

544
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, like me, gone quite well for you?

545
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly.

546
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 2: I'm doing great and I'm doing very very well.

547
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 3: But you're not a bastard.

548
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 1: You're no, not at all, of course I am. Come on,

549
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: how did that start? How did the relationship start? Was

550
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: it slow and steady? Because you know, and and by

551
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: the way, how much is humor play in to this?

552
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: Because you're very funny obviously. You love to laugh, you

553
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: love to make people laugh, you love shock value, I

554
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: reverence all of these things. So you have to find

555
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: someone that can match you.

556
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, silliness has got to be the only way I've

557
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 3: survived this relationship because I'm sure that if I didn't

558
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 3: make him laugh as much as I did, he would

559
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 3: have left me. By now. So much about me is like,

560
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 3: it's not what he ordered, you know, It's just yeah,

561
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 3: it's what he ordered versus what he got. It just

562
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 3: hilarious to me. But I think humor was a massive

563
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 3: part of it. We met, we start, we were friends first,

564
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 3: so not too quickly, and then we we did kind

565
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 3: of accidentally move in with each other because he came

566
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 3: out to Los Angeles just to visit for five days,

567
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 3: and you know, we weren't seeing each other, and then

568
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 3: he stayed for ten years, so you know, he was

569
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,719
Speaker 3: just staying in my room and I had a you know,

570
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 3: flat share with another roommate and we just lived there

571
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 3: for about a year and a half and then we

572
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 3: got our own place. So we lived together pretty much

573
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 3: from as soon as we started shagging, but we still

574
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 3: didn't say I love you for like nine months, and

575
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 3: we didn't we didn't really accept that this was a

576
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 3: relationship for eighteen months.

577
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: Wow, we were.

578
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 3: Very just like you know, we weren't shagging other people,

579
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 3: but we just weren't taking it seriously because he was

580
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 3: twenty six and he was a musician and actual victorious

581
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 3: secret like legit, literal women who have wings are trying

582
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 3: to have sex with him. I have no wings. Women

583
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 3: who have like beauty crowds. I have a burger king crowd, right,

584
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 3: you know. Like so so I was ever like, oh, yeah, no,

585
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 3: we're going to be together forever. And then after about

586
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 3: eighteen months we realized we really really didn't want the

587
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 3: other one to shag anyone else, so we just kind

588
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 3: of made an official commitment to each.

589
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 2: Other after eighteen months.

590
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 3: After eighteen months, yeah, that's when we really took it

591
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 3: seriously and realized, oh shit, I actually really fucking love you.

592
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 3: I'm so annoyed, you know, because I was supposed to

593
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 3: have my hoe fase. You know, I'd been waiting my

594
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 3: whole life for this ho phase. I was like, I'm

595
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 3: about to be thirty, I'm moving to California. I'm gonna

596
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 3: be a big old slat. I love it. And then he,

597
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 3: you know, he come.

598
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 2: Ah, I'm so sorry.

599
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: I know.

600
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 3: Well we comet blocked each other, you know, and that's it.

601
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 3: So and now I think we're gonna probably go the distance.

602
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 3: We're going to try to go the whole distance. We're

603
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 3: not married, but I told you that your mum inspired

604
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 3: one of my favorite songs of his. She gave an

605
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 3: interview explaining her relationship with Kurt Russell, and she said,

606
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 3: I don't want to get married because I want to

607
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 3: choose him, you know. I just I enjoy the fact

608
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 3: that I could leave the house and go anywhere, and

609
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 3: I choose to come back to him, and I said

610
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 3: that to James when I was explaining why I never

611
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 3: want to get married, that I was incredibly inspired by

612
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 3: your mum. And then he wrote a song called Choose

613
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 3: Me On you know, very shortly after we started dating,

614
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 3: and it's some people's favorite song of his. So thanks

615
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 3: to your mum.

616
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 2: It is true. It is true.

617
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: Though, what I mean Mary, what is what does marriage

618
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: actually provide you?

619
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 2: What does it do?

620
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 3: You know I told you my theory.

621
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 2: Yes, but my mother was the one who said what

622
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 2: are you doing?

623
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: Because I would get her jewelry every Christmas? And I

624
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: would show my mom to him, thinking about this, this

625
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: and this, and I brought her some jewelry, ring and

626
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: a necklace.

627
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,719
Speaker 2: Whatever. She goes, why what are you going to propose

628
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 2: when you get her a ring? It's been three years?

629
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 2: I said, what are you talking about? Are you crazy? No,

630
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 2: I'm not going to get married. You're not married. It works.

631
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: I come from divorce and that didn't fucking work. So

632
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: and then she said, well it's not you don't have

633
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: to get married right away. It's a symbol. Do you

634
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: want to be with her for the rest of your life?

635
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: I said, yes, Well, it's just a symbol. It's to

636
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: show her that you do. So then I went for it,

637
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: and then it spiraled me for the next two years.

638
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: I started to trip out. But you know, my mom

639
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: was the one who sort of made me propose. What

640
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: she did to put me at ease was just say, look,

641
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: you don't have to you don't have to get married.

642
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: Get married in four years if you want. But it's

643
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: just you know, so that's the She's the reason that

644
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: I even proposed.

645
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, well look, I mean you you are the exception,

646
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 3: You're not the rule when it comes to marriage. And

647
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 3: I think James and I have kind of built this

648
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 3: superstition via watching what's happened to a lot of our friends,

649
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 3: which is that almost as soon as they get married,

650
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 3: a sexy X comes back. Someone only turns up at

651
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,959
Speaker 3: work who's like everything they've ever wanted. And you're like,

652
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 3: oh fuck, do you tempt fate? When you stand there

653
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,479
Speaker 3: and you speak directly to God and you say, like,

654
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 3: I vow to be with this person forever, its God

655
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:12,959
Speaker 3: just like oh yeah, and so I So I've developed

656
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 3: this silly superstition that you know, I feel as though

657
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 3: James and I are flying under the radar, keeping a

658
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 3: low profile and not tempting the universe. It's like, please

659
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 3: don't send me, you know, someone tempting. Just leave me alone.

660
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 3: And we've been thus far left alone. And I think

661
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,719
Speaker 3: it's because I know a couple who were together for

662
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 3: like thirty years unmarried, got married. He immediately had an affair, No,

663
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 3: never had an affair before. Yeah, total chaos, like potentially

664
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 3: on the brink of divorce chaos.

665
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

666
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 3: And so I think I just think it's tempting the universe.

667
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 3: It's a stupid theory. I never said it was intelligent,

668
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 3: but it works for us well good.

669
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 2: You know, I've never even to I don't think we've

670
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 2: ever touched upon spirituality.

671
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: No.

672
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 3: I believe in in things that are convenient to my life.

673
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 3: So I believe in karma because I love revenge.

674
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: You know.

675
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 3: I don't think about good karma. I just think of like,

676
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 3: I can't wait till you get your fucking bad karma.

677
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 2: You can.

678
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 3: I'm a petty person like that. And then I believe

679
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 3: in God. When I'm at the dentist, you know, and

680
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 3: I'm like, please, God, I swear to God, I'll stop

681
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 3: eating sugar, I'll start flossing. Please, if you just don't

682
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 3: make me like have a root canal, please God. So

683
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, she's religious, right, So I'm you know,

684
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 3: I'm not going to be given any gifts by the

685
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 3: universe because I only call when I need something. No

686
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 3: one wants the friend who only calls when they need something.

687
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 3: There's no other dedication, you know, or loyalty that I show.

688
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 3: So no, not terribly not just you know, no horoscopes,

689
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 3: no anything. I'm really just kind of you know, flying

690
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 3: by the seat of no pants.

691
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: No pants, but you know, nothing bigger, no bigger energy, no,

692
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: no tapping into things.

693
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 2: No.

694
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: So coincidence is just coincidence that you know it just

695
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: life is basic sort of.

696
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 3: Although I'm I'm maybe, but I kind of, you know,

697
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 3: I do believe in pro noya, you know, pro noya,

698
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 3: which is the opposite of paranoia, when the universe is

699
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 3: is conspiring in your favor. Okay, So I never think

700
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 3: the universe is against me anytime anything goes wrong. I generally,

701
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 3: you know, once the wound has healed, go, that probably

702
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 3: protected me from something else. It's also known as the

703
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 3: burnt toast theory. You know, you burn your toast on

704
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 3: your way to work. And then that makes you angry

705
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 3: because it's inconvenience. You can I you're late, but because

706
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,439
Speaker 3: you were late, you didn't get hit by that car

707
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 3: or run into that X or something, sliding doors and

708
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 3: other great examples. So I think I think it's just

709
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 3: because I saw sliding doors that I believe in that.

710
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 3: So I just always believe I'm on a timeline. Yeah,

711
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 3: it's actually not a very good movie, but it's such

712
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 3: an incredible Yeah, I know, but I rewatched it. I

713
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 3: rewatched it recently for the first time in twenty years,

714
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 3: and I was like, this is a bit shit, But

715
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 3: the concept is so incredible that it doesn't matter, and

716
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 3: the performance are all good. It's just not particularly well written,

717
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 3: and you don't you kind of know that they just

718
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 3: didn't need to write it that brilliantly because the concept

719
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 3: is such a like runaway hit.

720
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, that's fair. I'm sort of on your page.

721
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not a god.

722
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 3: I'm just not a deep thinker, you know, that's what

723
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 3: it is.

724
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: I don't believe that. Sometimes I feel like you sell

725
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: yourself short. I sometimes you I feel like you use

726
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: your bluster to sort of deflect from your depth.

727
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 3: Sometimes I don't know, I might be a puddle.

728
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: That's just me knowing you a little bit, not a lot,

729
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 1: but a little bit. What is AILA's dan Love syndrome.

730
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 3: It's a lack of collagen in every cell of my body,

731
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 3: which means that I'm like an elastic lady got it?

732
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 3: So like my arm is normal like this, but then

733
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,720
Speaker 3: oh no, looks broken. So I'm just sort of very bendy.

734
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,399
Speaker 3: I displicate all the time. I'm very clumsy. I fall

735
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 3: down the stairs constantly. I have lots of stupid health emergencies.

736
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,439
Speaker 3: My heart doesn't work properly, my teeth are rubbish, but

737
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 3: my skin will never age. So it's it's weird. Like

738
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 3: my insides are the painting in my basement. So I

739
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 3: have the insides of like, you know, probably a one

740
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 3: hundred year old, but my exterior will never crease, which

741
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 3: is really crazy.

742
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 2: Wow. So it's like a bit double edged.

743
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, I don't care. I like wrinkles,

744
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 3: but I yeah, it's so it's it's weird. It's it's

745
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 3: weird to look young and feel so old. M hm,

746
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 3: because you're sick all the time.

747
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I remember, yeah, but you're such

748
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: a trooper that I just want to say, Jamila was

749
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: going through some shit.

750
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 2: Just a stomach bug or whatever the fuck was going on.

751
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 3: No, it wasn't a stomach bug. I've got a hernia

752
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 3: working out with one of our coasts in my esophagus

753
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 3: because I'm so weak. Because he's made of muscle, and

754
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 3: the only way to he doesn't leave the gym. So

755
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 3: if you want to bond or hang out with him

756
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 3: and become friends, you have to go to the gym

757
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 3: to hang out. And so I brought I brought my

758
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 3: like I brought some pringles and a can of Fantera

759
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 3: as my electrolytes because I'd never, you know, been a

760
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 3: fitness person. So he immediately didn't take me seriously and

761
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 3: then kind of punished me for it by working me

762
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 3: out so intensely and hardcore, not in like a flirty,

763
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 3: wet like like boot camp. And he worked me out

764
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 3: so hard, and I'm so pathetic that I I got

765
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 3: in my food tube.

766
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: Oh my.

767
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 2: Diagnos.

768
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 3: That was the That was the beginning of it, and

769
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 3: then it just escalated from there. But I never missed

770
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 3: a day and I was never late.

771
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 2: Did nudge me.

772
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: It was unbelievable. She would I mean, just on death

773
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: door it scene.

774
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 2: I would leave hospital, kill the.

775
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: Scene and then just leave and then come back and

776
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: leave the ultimate professional.

777
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 3: It was an insane shoot. And you know, I fucking

778
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 3: went back to Canada recently to film something else and

779
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 3: because that was my first time shooting in Canada, was

780
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 3: with you guys. And then I went back to Canada recently.

781
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 3: I don't know if you saw this on the internet,

782
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 3: but I got bitten on the fucking eye by a

783
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 3: meat eating fly called a black fly. Didn't know they

784
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 3: have those in Canada, and it gave me some sort

785
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 3: of black fly fever, which I'd never heard of before.

786
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 3: Flies are so timid in England, but their carnivores in Canada.

787
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 3: It bit me on the eye while I was filming,

788
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 3: and my eye fully swelled up like a testicle. And

789
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 3: then I posted it but no one read the caption,

790
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 3: so they thought I'd been beaten up by James. And

791
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 3: it was chaos online. It was a nightmare because no

792
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 3: one fucking reads the cattle.

793
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:58,240
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, what's going on? Maybe maybe you should

794
00:39:58,320 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 2: go to Canada.

795
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 3: I it's final destination, it is, But yeah, that's what's

796
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 3: wrong with me. I've got ailos down or syndrome. It's

797
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 3: it's incredibly not fun, and loads of people have it

798
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 3: and don't know that they have it, and that's really sad.

799
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I loved working with you. I think we

800
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 2: had a blast. And you've been working more now, right,

801
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:19,240
Speaker 2: I mean you've been.

802
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been. I work in people you're at.

803
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 1: Hesitant about, like Okay, I'm doing this gig, and it

804
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: was like do I want to do this?

805
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 2: Fuck it, let's go do it.

806
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 3: I haven't done that much since we spoke. I really am, like,

807
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 3: I'm not very ambitious. You know this now, people. One

808
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 3: of the things that drives me mad is that throughout

809
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 3: my career i've you know, especially I get this from

810
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 3: other women. I don't really get this from men, but

811
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 3: women will be so guarded around me, which is so

812
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 3: ironic because I love women so much, but they'll be

813
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 3: guarded around me and weird and competitive, and they'll think

814
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,760
Speaker 3: that my whole like I don't know what I'm doing

815
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 3: is an act to try and get their guard down

816
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 3: so I can go in for the kill. But whenever

817
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 3: anyone actually then works with me, they're like, oh wow,

818
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:04,720
Speaker 3: she really is just showing up for a vibe. She's

819
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 3: really got no design. Tore. I said to you that

820
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 3: I never want to be higher, like number six on

821
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 3: a call sheet. My sweet spot is like number six,

822
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 3: Come in, be fun, fuck off again, right. You know,

823
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 3: I really love I love this industry, but I love

824
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 3: it in little bite sized chunks, so I don't let

825
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 3: it define me, and I think it can be quite dangerous.

826
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 3: I think, you know, I was very lucky that I

827
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 3: was a journalist, you know, before I became an actor.

828
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 3: So my job was to interview actors and musicians and superstars.

829
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,240
Speaker 3: You know. I got to interview all the most famous

830
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 3: people in the world all the time, and that was

831
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 3: my job, and so I got to see them behind

832
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 3: the scenes, you know. I'd go away on like four

833
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 3: day trips with them and do documentaries about them and stuff.

834
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 3: And I had never met a super successful person who

835
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 3: was really really happy, and I think that really marked me.

836
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 3: And so I was like, right, I'm gonna make my

837
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 3: metric of success fun, not not awards, not followers, not money. Like,

838
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna make it fun. And so all my

839
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 3: jobs I pick are based on who I get to

840
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 3: have fun with. You know, I wanted to meet you.

841
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,240
Speaker 3: I wanted to meet Alicia, I wanted to meet Melissa

842
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 3: Joan Hart. You know, so I took that movie without

843
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 3: even reading the script because I was like, Oh, I

844
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 3: love all these people. I want to meet them and

845
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 3: hang out with them for a month.

846
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 2: Would you say the written word is what sort of

847
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 2: inspires you the most? Or would you connect to the most?

848
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, what is it you're most passionate

849
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 1: about as far as your creativity goes.

850
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know if I'm an especially

851
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 3: creative person. I'm an essay writer, so I a writer though,

852
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 3: yes that's very kind, But again, I'm not super creative.

853
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 3: I think I'm a I think I'm good at documenting

854
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 3: what's happened. I think I have like a I think

855
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 3: I'm I'm good at relaying a story and so so

856
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 3: I don't think I'm going to be someone who comes

857
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 3: up with fucking I don't know, Lord of the motherfucking Rings,

858
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 3: but I do think or succession. But I think that

859
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 3: I'm a good essayist, and so I love writing essays

860
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 3: and I love having a pot like I love reality.

861
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 3: I love that, I love the truth of human beings.

862
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 3: I'm obsessed with our motivations, why we do things or

863
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 3: like I think the reason I love being in Europe

864
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 3: so much is because or New York is because you're

865
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 3: immersed in humanity all of the time, whether you want

866
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 3: to be or not. Whether it's someone farting in your

867
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 3: face on the train, or it's someone you know, it's

868
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 3: it's you know. I sometimes this is so wrong, and

869
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 3: I shouldn't admit it because it's such a bad thing

870
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 3: to say, but fuck it. I follow people all the time.

871
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 3: I follow them when they're on the phone and something

872
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 3: really juicy has been said. I want to know how

873
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 3: it ended. So I'll just take a detour in my

874
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 3: walk with my dogs. Because no one showed up for

875
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 3: his birthday weekend and he's reading everyone for filth. I

876
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 3: want to make sure he's okay and he got all

877
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 3: his words out, so, you know, I just I'm eavesdropping

878
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 3: all the time. I'm a nosey, creepy little bit.

879
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 2: I love that I relate to that entirely.

880
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes my wife and I will be at

881
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: a restaurant and something will happen and all of a

882
00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: suddenly it gets lad and she's the same way.

883
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 2: We just stopped talking. Yeah, love, we just start listening.

884
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 3: And then I love that everyone else thinks you're in

885
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 3: a bad marriage.

886
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, having a conversation.

887
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 3: People don't have anything in common with each other, and

888
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 3: it's like, actually that James wrote this lyric that summarized

889
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,760
Speaker 3: both what soulmates we are, but also what horrible people

890
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 3: we are, which was, let's go home and talk shit

891
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 3: about everybody. Let's go home. Finally, I'm going to send

892
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 3: you this song because I think you'll really like it.

893
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 3: But it's because his favorite moment of any party is

894
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,959
Speaker 3: when we get in the car and gossip. Yeah, it's

895
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 3: just like it's such a bonding thing to do.

896
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: Well, that's what I love about you because everyone's like, oh, gossip,

897
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: it's it's it's sort of there's it's negatively it's negatively connotated.

898
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 2: But you're like, fuck that. I love gossip.

899
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 3: I love it. The reason my hair is so long

900
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 3: and thick. I'm obsessed my hair is so long because

901
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 3: it's full of secrets. But I never give away. I

902
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 3: never give away the secrets of my friends. No, I

903
00:44:58,320 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 3: give away the secrets of my enemies.

904
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: But could you destroy people's lives with the things you know.

905
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 3: Really, yeah, I can't wait to get dementia.

906
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 2: It's going to everyone fucked.

907
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 3: When I still when I when I don't know how

908
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 3: to keep a lid on it.

909
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: Which you are, You're already trying to keep that lid

910
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 1: on it. I mean, who's his kidding? Like you were that.

911
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 3: Lid By the way, I feel the same way about you.

912
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 3: We were both Lucy guy. The second we met, I

913
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 3: feel like we bonded over. Hey, who do you hate?

914
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 2: Right?

915
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,959
Speaker 3: Well, this is a bunch of bitches in the snow

916
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 3: and cos.

917
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: And it was fun as hell. Jam Jim talking about

918
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: your podcast. I was supposed to be on it. The

919
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: timing didn't work out in La, but I'm going to

920
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: be on it talk about it.

921
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 3: Yes, I have a new podcast. It's a comedy disaster

922
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 3: podcast called Wrong Turns, and it's basically just that, you know,

923
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 3: when life gives us lemons, not all of us make lemonade.

924
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 3: Some of us just you know, develop a hiatal hernia

925
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 3: in aroesophagus. But it's about all of the disasters that

926
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 3: have happened to me and to all of my favorite

927
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 3: funny people from around the world and are hilarious stories

928
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 3: in the audience, just about the worst decisions we've made,

929
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 3: the worst things we've ever done, that have no silver lining,

930
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 3: no great pearl of wisdom shoved up your ass.

931
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 2: Guest bringing their own stories.

932
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just it's where dignity goes to die, and

933
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 3: we all just marinade in our own horror together. And

934
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 3: that's why people seem to love it, because it gives

935
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 3: them thirty minutes of just feeling smug and better than us.

936
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 3: And I think that that's the gift that the world needs.

937
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: Right And have you had some guests reveal some things

938
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: that they have never revealed?

939
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, we all saw a side of Simon Pegg last

940
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 3: week we didn't and Adam Pally, Yeah, Jordan Firshman, all

941
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 3: these hilarious people May Martin above the drag Queen like,

942
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:54,399
Speaker 3: just hilarious people saying shit that we all swore and

943
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 3: believed that we would take to the grave but didn't.

944
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 3: We just shared it for the entire world to hear.

945
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 3: So if anyone wants to hear it, it's called wrong

946
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 3: turns with And.

947
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 2: I've got to think about what the hell I'm going

948
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 2: to talk about, because.

949
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 3: You have a lot.

950
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 2: I have some stuff. I have some stuff. I hope

951
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 2: I get to see you soon.

952
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 3: Same. You're genuinely one of my favorite scene partners I've

953
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 3: ever had, Like, I had such a blast working with you.

954
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 3: You're such a fun, ridiculous man. I'm a very generous

955
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 3: actor and improving dumb shit to do with you one

956
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 3: of my favorite experiences on that shoot, or on any shoot.

957
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 3: And so thank you, because every so often I get

958
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 3: a bit disillusioned by actors. And I don't mean to

959
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 3: sound like a massive bitch, but we've established by now

960
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 3: I'm a massive bitch. But I get disillusioned with actors

961
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 3: because sometimes they can just be the worst, you know,

962
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 3: and I don't think that's a surprise to hear for anyone.

963
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 3: They could just be the worst. And so it's like

964
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 3: the you know, if there is a universe or a

965
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 3: source or a gold or something. It's like, every so

966
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 3: often I get sent really good humans that make it

967
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 3: really fun and remind me why I love it, And

968
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 3: you're one of those people. So if I do another

969
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 3: acting job, it'll be because you. You topped me up until.

970
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: We need to do how we need to do a

971
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: comedy me and you something outrageous.

972
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:27,240
Speaker 3: Something about gossip, something about a couple that loves to gossip,

973
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 3: and oh gosh, right exactly.

974
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 2: That's not a bad idea. Well, I hope I get

975
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 2: to see you.

976
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 1: I don't know when I will, but maybe one of

977
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 1: these days we'll run into each other.

978
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 2: Get again.

979
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 3: We have a premiere and November. Friend, do you help

980
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 3: us if we do the press together? Oh?

981
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 2: We will, and it's going to be crazy.

982
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 3: Okay, they won't.

983
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 2: They won't air any of it.

984
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:55,919
Speaker 3: They're going to air all of it, okay, right, and.

985
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 2: Then then we'll be in trouble.

986
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's it all right. Well, look love you

987
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:02,439
Speaker 3: lots love to the family.

988
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,399
Speaker 2: Every baby, Yes you too. Tell James to say hello.

989
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 3: I will.

990
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 2: That's my girl.

991
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: Jamal Jamil, Jamal Jamal jam jam h She was so

992
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: much fun. She has so much energy, She is so

993
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:16,919
Speaker 1: irreverentd she talks so much shit.

994
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 2: She has no filter whatsoever.

995
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: If you know who she is, you already know that

996
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 1: her podcast is hysterical. You must check it out. And

997
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: she's extremely talented and pretty much everything she does, she

998
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,280
Speaker 1: has a substack that she writes. It's really great. Always

999
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: seems to be controversial because she's unafraid.

1000
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 2: That's my lady, all right. I'm out

1001
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 3: A