Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast has been golfing but is
Speaker 1: decidedly not golfer. From the Chris Westling podcast studio, It's
Speaker 1: Around the NFL. I am Dan hansis heroes here, Greg Rosethal,
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler. Do we need to litigate the golfing?
Speaker 2: I don't relocated Skiven Eetquette and I think he's floating
Speaker 2: away from us.
Speaker 3: So we're here. We're in a new season, a football season.
Speaker 4: I thank you everybody for respecting my space. I needed
Speaker 4: that Wednesday after what happened with the Ravens. Just clear
Speaker 4: my head and really go for a walk, a long one.
Speaker 3: So well, it's it's tough for you.
Speaker 5: I guess on a few fronts because I don't know
Speaker 5: if you remember on the show Monday, if if you're
Speaker 5: going to bring it up right away, we should revisit
Speaker 5: something that you said.
Speaker 4: John Harbaugh does care and it's a big round number
Speaker 4: twenty five.
Speaker 1: There is zero chance.
Speaker 4: Oh I mean, I won't say anything else. If you
Speaker 4: want to those desert folk. There is zero chance that
Speaker 4: the Ravens lose this game. And don't lay any wood
Speaker 4: you lay out, chop it. They will chop that wood.
Speaker 1: M that hurts.
Speaker 2: Well, you went on to suggest that you would issue
Speaker 2: an apology.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was where that was where you went thatology.
Speaker 4: Well, I won't go that far to actually keep my word,
Speaker 4: but I'll just say it was really heartbreaking to see
Speaker 4: that end it but also and also at the same
Speaker 4: time conflicting, because that's a good job by you, Joey
Speaker 4: Sly in a big spot.
Speaker 5: Sure, yeah, yeah, we we did hit it at length, right, Sure,
Speaker 5: but I just figured we had to revisit that and
Speaker 5: good to know about this test of character.
Speaker 1: I'm not a desert.
Speaker 5: You won't be a man of your word. You said
Speaker 5: you would apologize.
Speaker 1: I will not.
Speaker 3: What I mean, sure, I.
Speaker 2: Don't know reverse now right in reverse? If we it
Speaker 2: suggested that if we, you know, proclaim something to the
Speaker 2: international and national audience and say, if I'm wrong, I
Speaker 2: fail all of you, that I'll apologize. And now you're
Speaker 2: you're saying that's not an option.
Speaker 1: It's a different standard for me and you guys.
Speaker 2: Okay, well yes, and you can.
Speaker 3: We're all three co hosts of the show, so.
Speaker 1: Well maybe in their mind should be the same that
Speaker 1: the people know the truth, and the people know that
Speaker 1: in my heart, the Ravens will start another streak, now
Speaker 1: a losing streak.
Speaker 4: Maybe, but anyway, good to be back we did. Uh,
Speaker 4: this is a big one. And again it has to
Speaker 4: be made clear not a celebration this segment. And I
Speaker 4: know there's this idea that once again, uh you know,
Speaker 4: the idea that I am showing some character flawed by
Speaker 4: celebrating the idea the coaches could be fired. No, just
Speaker 4: a reality, like everybody wants to be everybody in this
Speaker 4: business wants to be.
Speaker 1: Like, oh, these these are people. Yeah, they are people,
Speaker 1: and we understand that. But we also understand that there
Speaker 1: will be five to eight dismissals at the end of
Speaker 1: this year.
Speaker 4: And we're going to talk about not who we want
Speaker 4: to be fired or who were predicting is going to
Speaker 4: get fired, just who's in the most danger in the
Speaker 4: head coach ranks of the NFL of losing their job
Speaker 4: during or after the season.
Speaker 1: That's all it is.
Speaker 2: It's an exercise and also settle down a little bit
Speaker 2: on the gravity. And I again, I don't no coach
Speaker 2: wants to get fired. It's it's a low career moment.
Speaker 2: But unlike a bricklayer, if they're fired a year into
Speaker 2: their five year contract, they get paid the rest of
Speaker 2: that money, right you and and many of them then
Speaker 2: take a year or two off and they, you know,
Speaker 2: go have this Mike McCarthy like come to Jesus thing
Speaker 2: where you actually look at other offenses around the league
Speaker 2: and have this you know, evolution. But they get healthier,
Speaker 2: they're well paid, nothing changes. It's like, this is not
Speaker 2: the common man trying to pound out a nine to
Speaker 2: five job. Who gets you know, let go.
Speaker 5: Well, there's also like the handful who is their careers
Speaker 5: and right there because they're an assistant wide receivers coach
Speaker 5: and they don't have any good connections and that's it.
Speaker 1: But we're not talking about those guys. Ye, but I
Speaker 1: understand it's all connected.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know, there's some people out there that
Speaker 4: like to use stuff like this to show that they
Speaker 4: think differently.
Speaker 1: Right, it's virtue signaling, and it's ugly.
Speaker 2: We're tired of it.
Speaker 4: We're gonna We're just gonna tell you what it's like
Speaker 4: for these coaches, the pressure they might be under that
Speaker 4: even if they're not going to share it with the media,
Speaker 4: they know they know these guys know that it's hard
Speaker 4: to hold an NFL head coach job and keep it.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get into it.
Speaker 4: But first we promised a big announcement, a big announcement,
Speaker 4: A big old announcement, Eric, huge, massive announcement. He's only
Speaker 4: got nine fingers. We can't technically do we give him
Speaker 4: a little bit of grace on drops going forward. I
Speaker 4: think you have to half second grace.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, let's see he's missing part of the thumb.
Speaker 3: We'll give him. Yeah, five percent.
Speaker 2: It's gonna grow back though, according to that one doctor.
Speaker 1: Is it is it possible that if it grows back,
Speaker 1: he could be better like quicker.
Speaker 2: That's how the body works.
Speaker 4: The theme of the rookie, right, Tommy John, Yes you
Speaker 4: are now Eric Rowan Gardner.
Speaker 1: Uh. Here's the big news around the NFL, which is this.
Speaker 3: It's a podcasts.
Speaker 4: It's this it's a podcast, But it hasn't always been
Speaker 4: a podcast. We've had different things iterations connected to the show,
Speaker 4: whether it's NFL network programming for instance, which we've.
Speaker 1: Been on the network a bunch.
Speaker 4: This company has a new streaming platform, new Wish called
Speaker 4: NFL Plus that I'm not telling the tales out of school.
Speaker 4: It's a big deal for NFL.
Speaker 1: Media.
Speaker 4: They're putting a lot into this, and with that knowledge,
Speaker 4: it's good to know that they wanted around the NFL
Speaker 4: to be part of the NFL Plus roll out for
Speaker 4: twenty twenty three. With that said, starting September seventh, you
Speaker 4: will get extra atm goodness.
Speaker 1: On that platform.
Speaker 4: You'll need an NFL Plus subscription here in the States
Speaker 4: and with it you'll get all that Plus has to offer,
Speaker 4: which is plentiful.
Speaker 2: It's a lot.
Speaker 1: You get NFL Network, you get Red.
Speaker 3: Zone, you get games, get gained.
Speaker 5: I mean that's the key thing to me. You get
Speaker 5: your lot, your local and your primetime games.
Speaker 4: Exactly as well as now two news shows per week
Speaker 4: from around the NFL, starting on September seventh, on Mondays
Speaker 4: every Monday. I'm not sure if it will drop Tuesday,
Speaker 4: but we'll record every Monday our atn Game of the
Speaker 4: Week where we'll pick a game that we enjoyed the
Speaker 4: most from Sunday and then we kind of chop that up,
Speaker 4: a shortened version of that game and break it down
Speaker 4: and have some fun with it, share some hot takes,
Speaker 4: perhaps some special guests. We're figuring out the format, but
Speaker 4: excited about that. And then Thursdays it's our kind of
Speaker 4: look at it like a bonus show. It will feature
Speaker 4: some of your favorite ATN segments of the past and
Speaker 4: present some new ones as well.
Speaker 1: For you community fans out there, remember the community sitcom
Speaker 1: on NBC.
Speaker 4: Sure, I see it as atn's Dreamatorium, the special play
Speaker 4: area that was in Troy and Abed's apartment, the second bedroom.
Speaker 1: You can go anywhere and have any type of adventure.
Speaker 1: That's the Thursday show.
Speaker 5: And it'll be quick too. We'll get you in and
Speaker 5: out of there in like twenty minutes or something. It'll
Speaker 5: be a segment and that's it. And the key I
Speaker 5: think for our our podcast listeners is we're not taking
Speaker 5: away any podcast content.
Speaker 3: In fact, we're adding to the amount of.
Speaker 4: Well look give me one second, because we got to
Speaker 4: there's something we need to make sure because I know
Speaker 4: there are a lot of people listening right now, are
Speaker 4: international listeners, and they're thinking, we don't.
Speaker 3: Have access to NFL plus, this is blocks.
Speaker 4: That's how they all talk. That's true or something like that.
Speaker 4: And we have great news for you guys. This new
Speaker 4: ATM content will be available with the same Dozone subscription
Speaker 4: that gives you access to the games, which you probably
Speaker 4: already getting anyway, or a lot of you.
Speaker 1: I would think.
Speaker 4: No added charge, mad for it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: So that's covered. But that's not all.
Speaker 5: And we didn't even mention game Pass. What's the artist
Speaker 5: formerly known as game Passes? Part of all of watching
Speaker 5: the condensed games and everything, it's all part of NFL BLUs.
Speaker 3: It's all like one.
Speaker 4: Beautiful all under the same umbrella. And as Greg said,
Speaker 4: announcement horn number two, Oh it just it doesn't have
Speaker 4: the same reach it once did.
Speaker 2: That's no, it's a you know, half.
Speaker 4: It's not that he's half softer in mind, it's physical.
Speaker 1: The thumb doesn't have the reach.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's courageous, though.
Speaker 1: The hell do that takes so long?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 1: That's not all. Greg tell the people about changes to
Speaker 1: our ATM podcast schedule this year.
Speaker 5: Okay, so we got the Sunday Night recap show, same
Speaker 5: the flagship show, always a classic.
Speaker 3: You love it. It's there. It's going up Sunday night, Monday
Speaker 3: morning in London.
Speaker 1: By the way, a program which when we started it,
Speaker 1: they didn't really exist, and.
Speaker 3: Now it's everywhere. It's everywhere.
Speaker 1: Everyone's week. The Sunday Night we.
Speaker 2: Were the exclusive.
Speaker 5: That's why No One Flat one has the sound. No
Speaker 5: one has it all, no one has No one has us. Frankly,
Speaker 5: Uh Monday Podcast. We're adding kind of a news recap
Speaker 5: show on Monday because that's the biggest news day of
Speaker 5: the week, so we're going to get that out to
Speaker 5: you Monday after noon.
Speaker 3: So that is a new show for us.
Speaker 5: And on top of that, we're doing a Monday Night
Speaker 5: recap podcast where I know that first night it's gonna
Speaker 5: be all three of us and we might rotate in
Speaker 5: and out whatever it is, but we'll have that Monday
Speaker 5: Night recap. So that was me last year with a
Speaker 5: special guest, but this year we'll all be involved with it.
Speaker 5: Tuesday were dark, got a rest, a little get ready
Speaker 5: for the rest of the week.
Speaker 2: Studying tape is I thought we were dark the rest
Speaker 2: of the week.
Speaker 1: I thought, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 5: I mean we added the extra show Bunny. We got
Speaker 5: three shows between Sunday and Monday, so we got to
Speaker 5: give them a day to catch up. But we are
Speaker 5: adding a Wednesday show. I hope we're getting Colleen involved.
Speaker 1: Will be on our Wednesday show every week.
Speaker 3: That'll be fun.
Speaker 5: We might start throwing in some game previews into that
Speaker 5: Wednesday's show. We got our Thursday show as always, previewing
Speaker 5: the games of the week, and.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 2: Are we doing Thursday.
Speaker 1: Nighty night, Thursday Night recap? Yep?
Speaker 2: Then on Friday, don't even try to find us on Friday.
Speaker 2: Don't even You're not going to locate us Friday.
Speaker 5: There's so much to go over. But yes, we are
Speaker 5: doing a Thursday Night recap. For a second, we've had
Speaker 5: so many different plannings of different iteration to this. I
Speaker 5: was like, where did that one leave it? But yes,
Speaker 5: we're going to be putting that game up right away
Speaker 5: Thursday night.
Speaker 1: Mark. Will you be involved with these projects?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? I mean the lot, there's a lot riding on
Speaker 2: the fact that the employment continues.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 5: You know, if you do sign up for an NFL
Speaker 5: Plus and look, I hear if you guys at are
Speaker 5: all skeptical and you'll see how it goes whatever. But
Speaker 5: if and when you do sign up, you're going to
Speaker 5: get your money's worth, even if we weren't there, but
Speaker 5: especially if you're coming to see us, like I don't
Speaker 5: even know how it works. Just let NFL plus knows, No,
Speaker 5: we sent you because we want to stay employed at
Speaker 5: this company, and it might not happen if we don't
Speaker 5: get enough people saying that we sent you to NFL plus,
Speaker 5: we might just get pushed out on the side of
Speaker 5: the building.
Speaker 1: That's what they do.
Speaker 4: Excited about this. This isn't just like stuff we're gonna
Speaker 4: be knocking out. Uh, there's a reason why we're writing
Speaker 4: less on the site. It is to give more time
Speaker 4: to do this project, which we're all serious about. And
Speaker 4: as I said before, if it's not for us, it's
Speaker 4: not gonna be for you.
Speaker 1: M M. That's the truth.
Speaker 7: Let's do some news a little easy on that, buddy,
Speaker 7: because you know we I think we're we're pretty tough
Speaker 7: minded people and uh, if we need to get scrappy,
Speaker 7: we can get scrappy too, just saying it's.
Speaker 1: To clapping back, as they say. On ESPN, analyst Ryan Clark,
Speaker 1: who and I can't this isn't me for comedic effect
Speaker 1: or whatever, sugarcoating this or trying to add a little
Speaker 1: juice to it. He literally on ESPN Ryan Clark called
Speaker 1: to a fat stripper that.
Speaker 2: Was the parallel.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, And I I know Dolphins fans can be sensitive
Speaker 4: and about two especially, and I understand it because two
Speaker 4: is so has shown how how much of a playmaker
Speaker 4: or a high end quarterback he could be when he's healthy.
Speaker 4: But he has been healthy a lot, and there's this
Speaker 4: big question around the team whether he's the guy. But
Speaker 4: even me, as a Jet fan, I understand why Dolphins
Speaker 4: fans were super annoyed with Ryan Clark, who again called
Speaker 4: their quarterback an overweight dancer, exotic dancer.
Speaker 1: Ryan Clark gets killed, gets killed, as.
Speaker 4: You would imagine, all over the place for this comment,
Speaker 4: and one of my favorite things of this summer had
Speaker 4: a very serious apology kind of apology on Twitter yesterday too.
Speaker 8: Were talking about a little I had to answer questions
Speaker 8: about something I said on Monday, something that I truly
Speaker 8: just felt like was a joke to me that I've
Speaker 8: realized as the has gone on, if this man has
Speaker 8: to answer questions about it, if so many Miami Dolphins
Speaker 8: fans are offended by it, then people ain't taking it
Speaker 8: as a joke. So let me be very clear. If
Speaker 8: I've offended you to if I've hurt you, if I've
Speaker 8: disrespected you, if anybody that supports and loves you feel
Speaker 8: some sort of way because of what I said.
Speaker 3: I truly apologize, but only if that. If not, I'm
Speaker 3: fine with that.
Speaker 1: Well it's even worse than that, actually, because this is
Speaker 1: so This drives me crazy when I see quote unquote apologies.
Speaker 4: Like this, because it's not even it's disingenuous. Ryan Clark
Speaker 4: saying it was a joke. No, the joke was he
Speaker 4: looks like a dancer from Atlanta, a local strip club
Speaker 4: in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: That was a joke. But he also said that he
Speaker 1: physically thought that Tua looks soft and essentially out of shape,
Speaker 1: and that wasn't a joke. No, And now he's making
Speaker 1: it all seem like it was. The comment. Here's here's
Speaker 1: the last part of his very serious minded apology.
Speaker 8: I've reached out. I hope to talk to you soon, brother,
Speaker 8: But just no, I wasn't questioning the way you work,
Speaker 8: you are how much it mattered to you, Yes, you were.
Speaker 8: It was what I can consider, no, a bad joke,
Speaker 8: but for me, it's been a lesson.
Speaker 1: I'll be better.
Speaker 8: Thank you.
Speaker 5: Ryan Clark's usually pretty great, so I'm gonna give him
Speaker 5: a slight path. But what I don't like, I didn't
Speaker 5: need it because immediately after when people started getting on him.
Speaker 5: His immediate response for twenty four hours was just like,
Speaker 5: please stop being soft.
Speaker 3: I'm joking.
Speaker 5: And then as it like continued to be a story
Speaker 5: and two I had to answer for it. Then it's
Speaker 5: like a day later he's like, I gotta nip this
Speaker 5: thing in the in the butt. I'm an Emmy winner.
Speaker 1: Also, you know, on the I I think that's totally fair.
Speaker 4: If clark is body of work suggests it's okay to
Speaker 4: give him a pass whatever, it's not the end of
Speaker 4: the world. But I then I saw a bunch of
Speaker 4: people saying, this was so big of you, Ryan, amazing,
Speaker 4: like you're You're what it's all about.
Speaker 2: Like, but that this is sort of like my my
Speaker 2: angle is less about Ryan Clark. Just there's so much
Speaker 2: needless content occurring everywhere, and then there's this endless conversation
Speaker 2: between people on X or whatever you want to call it,
Speaker 2: going back and forth. It's just like, drop a nuclear
Speaker 2: bomb on the entire thing, that apology for your kids,
Speaker 2: you know college. No, I mean, like the back and
Speaker 2: forth on absolutely like unnecessary to me and like demoralizing,
Speaker 2: and this like his the first part of his apology,
Speaker 2: I'm cool with like the second part. We didn't need that.
Speaker 2: You just I didn't need the second part. I just thought,
Speaker 2: oh the fact that you essentially body shamed an NFL quarterback, right, And.
Speaker 4: To say that it was to couch it all as
Speaker 4: a joke when it wasn't like it was actual criticism.
Speaker 4: Uh maybe it wasn't well researched or thought out, but
Speaker 4: it was. And then you made the joke at the end.
Speaker 5: I mean, the funny thing is as to have pointed
Speaker 5: out and and what what came right before that quote
Speaker 5: we heard on our show was like, look, I'm Samoa,
Speaker 5: so he's basically just like, don't mess with don't mess
Speaker 5: with this month. He also pointed out, like you think
Speaker 5: I just put on all this muscle by mistake. It's
Speaker 5: funny because I think Tua has a certain body type.
Speaker 5: Maybe it's like the muscles aren't popping, but he's way
Speaker 5: bigger this seat off season by accident, So it I mean,
Speaker 5: I mean not by accident, Like he is a stronger
Speaker 5: looking individual, and he he put on fifteen pounds this
Speaker 5: off season on purpose.
Speaker 4: Now that I could buy in, like the I was
Speaker 4: having some fun earlier this week about the jiu jitsu thing,
Speaker 4: and that helping him land without hitting his head, beefing
Speaker 4: up and becoming kind of build yourself like a tank
Speaker 4: to maybe protect yourself a little better.
Speaker 1: That's that I can buy into.
Speaker 4: And that's obviously what he's done anyway, silliness and I
Speaker 4: just when there's silliness and then there's self seriousness and
Speaker 4: it's out in kind of disingenuousness, it's like, I kind
Speaker 4: of love it, actually, but we had to hit on.
Speaker 3: It, all right, let's get to it. It was very Michael
Speaker 3: Scott like that.
Speaker 1: It was cringey. It was Scott's Tots level cringey.
Speaker 4: Update on Jonathan Taylor, the former All Pro running back
Speaker 4: who is obviously desperate to get out of Indianapolis. The Colts, finally,
Speaker 4: after initially saying they wouldn't either a give Taylor an
Speaker 4: extension that he wanted or be trade him, have now
Speaker 4: allowed him to be moved for the right cost. And
Speaker 4: here's the latest NFL Network's Cameron Wolf. So the Dolphins
Speaker 4: have some interest in acquiring Jonathan Taylor, but only up
Speaker 4: to a certain price. We've also heard there are multiple
Speaker 4: teams that have submitted offers for Taylor, and that the
Speaker 4: Cults have given Taylor's people Tuesday as the deadline for
Speaker 4: the trade.
Speaker 1: Is there any reason why Tuesday is the deadline?
Speaker 5: Well, it's cut down day on Tuesday, and that might
Speaker 5: have to do with getting your salary cap books in order.
Speaker 5: Wanting to know basically how you're moving forward with the season.
Speaker 5: If you're gonna have to replace Jonathan Taylor, you would
Speaker 5: want to be able to know to replace him. I
Speaker 5: guess on Tuesday because they might have to bring in
Speaker 5: other running backs.
Speaker 3: And we talked about this that.
Speaker 1: Lant you mentioned it. No, yes, that's the deadline.
Speaker 4: He'll be required to miss the first four games of
Speaker 4: the regular season if they don't remove him from that
Speaker 4: list by Tuesday, and he.
Speaker 2: Can't do a thing where he pulls the I'm sitting
Speaker 2: out for a big chunk of the season because he
Speaker 2: has to accrue at least six games to have it
Speaker 2: become his fourth NFL season and become an unrestricted free agent.
Speaker 2: So I think he's in a tough spot here. I
Speaker 2: mean the Dolphins also, they're not just heat seeking Taylor.
Speaker 2: They've apparently inquired about Josh Jacobs, but they're not gonna
Speaker 2: No one is going to give the Colts a first
Speaker 2: round pick for a one year rental running back. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think the Colts are kind of doing the thing
Speaker 2: where you could I've seen a parallel drawn to some
Speaker 2: degree to like what the Ravens did with Lamar Jackson. Yes, sure,
Speaker 2: here's your chance. You go find out how much real
Speaker 2: and we're not gonna give you away, But like the
Speaker 2: Colts are kind of done with like we're gonna suppress
Speaker 2: your career. Go try.
Speaker 5: We hit this one pretty hard on Wednesday, so I
Speaker 5: won't belabor it. But there's a couple of things that
Speaker 5: are interesting. That they are getting offers and that the
Speaker 5: Tuesday deadline thing happened makes me think that this could
Speaker 5: happen if they really do just want to get rid
Speaker 5: of him, Like they could probably get a third round
Speaker 5: pick for him, or maybe a third that turns into
Speaker 5: a second, or or a couple of mid round picks.
Speaker 5: And I'm glad you brought up the pup thing because
Speaker 5: he's due to make four point three million dollars this
Speaker 5: year and you think, like, okay, maybe he could sit
Speaker 5: out some games and miss that. That's more than he's
Speaker 5: made in his entire career if you add up his
Speaker 5: first three years so that's it's a three hundred percent
Speaker 5: raise he's getting this year off of anything he's made before.
Speaker 5: I think he's gonna want to show up for that,
Speaker 5: even if that's not as much as he wants to make,
Speaker 5: It's it's pretty signific.
Speaker 2: I think it's like, it's it's your avenue to get
Speaker 2: into free agency. It's like, I don't think it is wise.
Speaker 2: I mean, we don't know how much money he wants,
Speaker 2: we don't know exactly what he wants asking the Cults for.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think all that is like kind of
Speaker 2: a hazardous trade scenier. It was ten years ago this
Speaker 2: year that a team actually gave a first round pick
Speaker 2: for a running back and it was Trent Richardson. Oh
Speaker 2: my god, and it was the Cults.
Speaker 3: That was a great move by them.
Speaker 4: In other news, Isaiah Simmons' time with the Cardinals is over. Well,
Speaker 4: do we have the clip of this from Monday show
Speaker 4: called User predicted it? Isaiah Simmons. They're moving them to safety,
Speaker 4: the Cardinals. It's not working out, according to reports, and
Speaker 4: then he gets moved.
Speaker 1: And I had mentioned he couldn't make it. Seems like
Speaker 1: a guy that would make sense. Fresh start it's not
Speaker 1: working late round pick. It's exactly what happens.
Speaker 4: Schefter reported that the Cardinals agreed to a trade of
Speaker 4: the twenty twenty first round pick to the Giants. That
Speaker 4: Johnson was sending a twenty twenty four to seventh round
Speaker 4: pick back to Arizona in exchange for Simmons.
Speaker 1: So there you go.
Speaker 4: Mark, this is a guy that was seen as this versatile,
Speaker 4: big time playmaker at a CLI, and he was there.
Speaker 4: Cardinals kind of couldn't figure out how to make him
Speaker 4: go as a pro, and now the Giants are taking
Speaker 4: a shot.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I jumped on your comment from Monday saying that it's
Speaker 2: the kind of situation where he's gonna wind up somewhere
Speaker 2: else where he's used better, and he's gonna tell tales
Speaker 2: about how he was not used in Arizona. I mean
Speaker 2: they put him in a terrible position. He was flailing
Speaker 2: as a safety. I think the Giants are a good match.
Speaker 2: You know, we'll see if he can still play. But
Speaker 2: wing Mark and Martindale, their defensive coordinator, I think he's
Speaker 2: gonna he's someone that is interested in taking Simmons, using
Speaker 2: him in different ways. Day Ball called him explosive, athletic
Speaker 2: and said there was a multiple role potential. We got
Speaker 2: to see it, but it's like this team is wanting
Speaker 2: to put him back where he belongs.
Speaker 5: If any team, any coach I think could use his creativity,
Speaker 5: well it would be wing Martindale.
Speaker 3: I think he'll play some linebacker.
Speaker 5: Reminds me a little of our our friend Wes his
Speaker 5: infatuation with Dayan Buchanan, a very similar player also drafted
Speaker 5: by the Cardinals, who could play multiple positions. Did it
Speaker 5: a little better off the top than.
Speaker 4: The Cardinals, So they traded their first pick in twenty
Speaker 4: twenty on Wednesday, also their second pick in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: He was a third rounder.
Speaker 4: Josh Jones, offensive lineman, started eleven games of the Cardinals
Speaker 4: last season.
Speaker 1: He was moved to the Texans.
Speaker 4: He's in the final year of his rookie deal, so
Speaker 4: maybe a depth piece there for Houston and Arizona continues
Speaker 4: to kind of just turn things over in real time.
Speaker 3: That was weird.
Speaker 5: He like pff Adam graded very highly last year and
Speaker 5: yet they re signed a couple older tackles in Arizona,
Speaker 5: those nice movers.
Speaker 3: What's the it's hard to find tackles.
Speaker 1: What's the value, Like, what did the Cardinals get back
Speaker 1: in this.
Speaker 5: Trade we have, it hasn't been reported. I'm guessing it's
Speaker 5: not very a starting tackle. Well, they have two starting
Speaker 5: tackles unless they move Titus Howard inside. He's coming off
Speaker 5: of an injury, so right now Josh Jones is probably
Speaker 5: replacing him, but he played well as a replacement tackle
Speaker 5: last year.
Speaker 1: You know who else is coming off injury?
Speaker 4: Cooper Cup the All Pro wide receiver who won the
Speaker 4: Triple Crown for wide receiver twenty twenty one when the
Speaker 4: Rams won the Super Bowl. God, that feels like a
Speaker 4: long time ago. He was back on the practice field
Speaker 4: today Wednesday for the first time since suffering a hamstring
Speaker 4: injury three weeks back, and apparently it looked very good.
Speaker 1: Mark here is Matthew Stafford's quote. I thought Coop looked great.
Speaker 4: Just happy to see him running around, smiling, having fun
Speaker 4: playing ball again. And on the flip side of this,
Speaker 4: the Broncos, who, man, they can't seem to catch a
Speaker 4: break this summer. Their top wide receiver Jerry Judy, who
Speaker 4: we've been waiting for him to go for a while now.
Speaker 4: And this a lot with a lot of reasons to
Speaker 4: believe a Sean Peyton there and Russell Wilson potentially rejuvenated
Speaker 4: this would be the year. Well he was carted off
Speaker 4: the field on Wednesday with a right hamstring injury. Heard
Speaker 4: it during eleven on eleven's against the Rams in a
Speaker 4: joint practice. Peyton said after practice that Judy will undergo
Speaker 4: an MRI and we are r August twenty fourth mark,
Speaker 4: where about two weeks plus out from week one.
Speaker 2: Not good timing, No, I mean you get what you
Speaker 2: get these teams every year where it's like the injury
Speaker 2: bug ravage is a position group and Tim Patrick out
Speaker 2: with an achilles. Tim Patrick might have been their best
Speaker 2: wide receiver. kJ Hammler waved non football illness heart conditioned
Speaker 2: situation Jaalen Virgil had on season ending I are you're
Speaker 2: leaning on Courtland Sutton and Marvin Nims at this point
Speaker 2: to take you there, And it's like, this is such
Speaker 2: a huge season for Russell Wilson and all of this
Speaker 2: happened essentially after Sean Payton flamed everyone on Earth with
Speaker 2: his verbal comments, and it's like all I'm not seeing
Speaker 2: is connected. It's just like now you're.
Speaker 1: Gonna like it.
Speaker 2: You're gonna be challenging. Although I don't know's I'm not
Speaker 2: saying it's great.
Speaker 3: You mentioned like a position girl destroyed.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't understand what my momentum is anymore.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a momentum of this position group.
Speaker 1: Happened.
Speaker 3: This happens every year, right, the same players train going
Speaker 3: off a mountains.
Speaker 5: Unfortunately, the wide receiver group for the Broncos seems cursed.
Speaker 5: And my son, who for some reason won't prepare for
Speaker 5: the fantasy draft that he's doing next month.
Speaker 3: I like that, but he had in there.
Speaker 5: He does this other thing where he's doing like an
Speaker 5: all NFL draft where he's pretending to start the franchises
Speaker 5: over and like drafting players to different teams.
Speaker 3: And he had Jerry Judy as a top twenty pick
Speaker 3: in the.
Speaker 5: Entire edite that and I was just saying, like, that's
Speaker 5: too high for Judy.
Speaker 3: He just is like I like Jerry Judy, so that
Speaker 3: it was not a good pick.
Speaker 5: I gotta say, if you're starting the NFL from scratch,
Speaker 5: he's not one of your top twenty players in his reality.
Speaker 2: In the Nferry Judy injured or is he hell before
Speaker 2: this is harly.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 9: I don't think he's aware of his injury history. All right,
Speaker 9: that's what's happening in the news. Will take a break
Speaker 9: and then it's hot butt time. All right, welcome back.
Speaker 4: It is time to talk about it. Every the data
Speaker 4: backs it up. The data is the data.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: We could be happy in smiles and pretend like this
Speaker 4: isn't happening, but it's a results oriented business and head
Speaker 4: coaches will lose jobs. A couple of them lost them
Speaker 4: in the middle of the season last year, right, we
Speaker 4: had both Matt Ruhle and Nathaniel Hackett mid season.
Speaker 3: Frank Raich.
Speaker 4: Frank Reich Hackett was a first year coach, which is
Speaker 4: almost unheard of.
Speaker 1: It It's happened very few times.
Speaker 5: It happened twice. In fact, he was the earliest that
Speaker 5: any first year could.
Speaker 2: It happened twice two years in a row in Houston, and.
Speaker 3: This during the season.
Speaker 2: That did inform one of the coaches are not as rare.
Speaker 3: It's gonna fly around like a butterfly.
Speaker 4: Some guys they find where they should be and then
Speaker 4: they get that one promotion and then they got to
Speaker 4: come back down. That's Nate Hackett. Now, it did inform
Speaker 4: me when I was putting together, and we all did this.
Speaker 4: Of the thirty two coaches, four different tiers safe first agree,
Speaker 4: butt burn, second degree butt.
Speaker 1: Burn, third degree but burn.
Speaker 4: Last year and in past years, I think I pretty
Speaker 4: much put every head coach save for one last year,
Speaker 4: for instance, all the rookies are safe. To me, I'm
Speaker 4: thinking differently a little bit of year, guys. So let's
Speaker 4: do it this way. I'm going to go down in
Speaker 4: alphabetical order my list of safe quarterbacks. If you have
Speaker 4: a guy that is not safe, raise your hint and
Speaker 4: we're going to talk about that that player. Okay, So
Speaker 4: let's here's the Zeusser's list of guys that coach head
Speaker 4: coaches can I can.
Speaker 3: I speak to because the odds speakers.
Speaker 1: As much as you want. Oh, you mean like raise
Speaker 1: your hand and say me me me.
Speaker 3: Well, No, No, I just mean if I'm raising my hand, no,
Speaker 3: one's good.
Speaker 1: Well, because I will address you immediately. It's not like
Speaker 1: Eric trying to use that left thumb to hit the
Speaker 1: button diverge from Yeah, just give a heads up.
Speaker 5: In terms of safety. I've never had more safe guys.
Speaker 3: Than this.
Speaker 1: I am with you.
Speaker 4: It's beefy all right, here we go, and if you disagree,
Speaker 4: raise your hand or yell me me me. Dan Campbell,
Speaker 4: Pete Carroll, Brian Dable, John Harbaugh, Matt Lafleur, hawse In okay, Mike.
Speaker 1: McDaniel, okay, thought about that one.
Speaker 4: But Sean McDermott, Sean mcvayh Kevin O'Connell, Sean Payton, Shane Steichen,
Speaker 4: Doug Peterson, Frank Reich, Andy Reid, Kyle Shanahan, Nick Siriani,
Speaker 4: Zach Taylor, Mike Tomlin, Mike Rable.
Speaker 1: Those are all my safe guys.
Speaker 2: Every one of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had every one of them.
Speaker 5: Shout out to Zach Taylor because I believe in this exercise.
Speaker 5: A couple of years back, I had him as like
Speaker 5: a second or third dar type of coach. So you
Speaker 5: can get off that list. All you gotta do is
Speaker 5: make the super Bowl and then the AFC Championship.
Speaker 4: Is there anyone that I did not mention that is
Speaker 4: on your safe list?
Speaker 2: Did you mention Dimiko Ryans?
Speaker 1: I did not.
Speaker 2: So that's that's my thing, is Like I think like
Speaker 2: that team could be they could struggle. I think he is.
Speaker 2: He's on a safe list for me because I cannot
Speaker 2: fathom a reality where the Texans fire a first year
Speaker 2: coach three years in a row.
Speaker 1: All right, let's move to first degree.
Speaker 5: Okay, Yeah, I also had Ryans, and I feel strong
Speaker 5: on that one too. I think they would give him.
Speaker 5: He's as safe to me as a first year coach
Speaker 5: almost could be. Because of that situation, and because I
Speaker 5: think they're really putting a lot into who he is.
Speaker 5: I think they love it. He could go one in sixteen,
Speaker 5: and I think it'd be sick.
Speaker 4: You know, everything you guys say I agree with, and
Speaker 4: I think across the league people are very high on
Speaker 4: Ryan's's chances here to be a good head coach.
Speaker 1: This is organizationally.
Speaker 4: If you fire a head coach, a rookie head coach
Speaker 4: two years in a row, I just don't give you
Speaker 4: the benefit of the doubt the people that are making decisions, Yeah,
Speaker 4: to make the right one and give this guy the road,
Speaker 4: because the first last two guys deserved more rope too.
Speaker 3: Fair enough, but he's a very different hire. Both of
Speaker 3: those hires felt like.
Speaker 5: Guys that weren't going to be there that long on
Speaker 5: day one, whereas Dimiko Ryans feels like they want him
Speaker 5: to be agreed, but like you know, they're different. It's
Speaker 5: different than hiring love Smith the third time.
Speaker 2: I see what you mean. But like he has like
Speaker 2: Texans ties, like I do honestly think he's going to
Speaker 2: be a coach that, like we saw in San Francisco,
Speaker 2: connects with the entire locker room. He's a new age
Speaker 2: type of coach. And it's not about him for me. I
Speaker 2: know you're it's fair to say you don't about trust
Speaker 2: the Texans, but like they literally are in a psychotic
Speaker 2: modive fire a third straight coach after one.
Speaker 1: I think it is kind of psychotic. They fired two
Speaker 1: in a row.
Speaker 2: That's why I'm like, we talked to Lovey Smith. He's
Speaker 2: a good guy and everything, but like that always felt
Speaker 2: like a placeholder higher and this just does not to me.
Speaker 2: But we'll see, all.
Speaker 3: Right, first degree first degree.
Speaker 6: Here we go, oh oh ah, really when you're pushing back,
Speaker 6: hey oh.
Speaker 10: Ah ah?
Speaker 3: So it does not painful, but gotta I mean this whole,
Speaker 3: this whole like straw man thing at the beginning where
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, what's up?
Speaker 5: We gotta respect, Like, uh, what coaches where you're pushing
Speaker 5: back against people that you think are coming at bonies me,
Speaker 5: you're coming after me because like eight years ago on
Speaker 5: this exercise, I neiged to like take issue with some
Speaker 5: of the burn victim stuff.
Speaker 2: How did you find like these are people? What did
Speaker 2: you like a two minute long semi burn sound bite
Speaker 2: like this?
Speaker 1: Like that's home made, baby, Jason, Come on, go on, bro, you.
Speaker 3: Gotta you gotta recommend.
Speaker 5: I was just so lost in the perform you've never
Speaker 5: hung out with or you're just like I've hung That's exactly.
Speaker 3: What he sounds.
Speaker 1: First degree for me. Here we go. Raise your hand
Speaker 1: if you disagree, or if there's someone that because I
Speaker 1: have four names.
Speaker 3: On here, I have five.
Speaker 1: I got four, Bill Belichick, you have deeper the first deep?
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, okay. Jonathan Gannon, Yes, I have that.
Speaker 5: Oh wow, I guess I had him safe. I just forgot,
Speaker 5: like a lot of people that Jonathan Gannon uh is
Speaker 5: a part of He was on my list.
Speaker 3: He's on my safe list.
Speaker 2: I like, I don't trust the Cardinals, but for the
Speaker 2: same way you're coming up with the Texans. I think
Speaker 2: things could go poorly enough where they aren't a reboot.
Speaker 2: I like what they did to set up next to
Speaker 2: your draft.
Speaker 3: They're trying to get the one pick. Well, they can't
Speaker 3: fire him for getting the one pick. I feel like,
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, Hey, they've fired a quarterback. They took him the
Speaker 1: top ten.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and next year to take a quarterback in the
Speaker 5: top ten want a draft him necessarily?
Speaker 2: That feels chaotic there, So.
Speaker 4: This too, I got. That's a little on my radar.
Speaker 4: There's there's a little bit of is there is a
Speaker 4: Hacket situation?
Speaker 1: Maybe?
Speaker 5: Okay, you guys have kind of convinced me into this.
Speaker 5: The reason I didn't was because Monty asen for it.
Speaker 5: The GM is also new, and you're right, I'm willing
Speaker 5: to put him into first degree.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna move him.
Speaker 1: You've convinced me.
Speaker 4: Okay, I had to Meeke Oryan's you guys have him safe.
Speaker 4: And then I have Brandon Staley first degree.
Speaker 2: Wow, I have Staley somewhere else.
Speaker 1: Okay, you got anybody else have first degree?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 5: But we could talk Staley because I have him there.
Speaker 5: I think even though the outside wants Staley to be
Speaker 5: under a lot of pressure and on the hot seat,
Speaker 5: I don't think inside that building the way the Chargers
Speaker 5: run things that he is. He's had two winning records.
Speaker 5: It's kind of, I mean overlooked a little bit. They've
Speaker 5: they've they've won back to back years. He's on a
Speaker 5: four or five year contract. I think they really like him,
Speaker 5: and I also think to LESCo, their GM has been
Speaker 5: there so long, it's all about like everyone keeping their
Speaker 5: jobs together. So to me, he's only first degree because
Speaker 5: I think he could. He could have another year very
Speaker 5: similar or even like a nine and eight type of
Speaker 5: year and eight to nine and I think he would survive.
Speaker 2: I think there have been some especially bad optics around
Speaker 2: this daily experience. I think it's a good coach, but
Speaker 2: it's like the way last year ended, some of the
Speaker 2: fourth down stuff, which we all super agree with analytically,
Speaker 2: but there are a lot of people out there that
Speaker 2: don't agree with a lot of his decisions. And I
Speaker 2: think it really matters that the Chargers have a different
Speaker 2: type of ending to this season. It's been two bad
Speaker 2: endings two years in a row. You've got justin Herbert,
Speaker 2: your two new coordinators. You're always on thin ice. I
Speaker 2: think when that's a situation that does work out, that's positive.
Speaker 1: But I might second.
Speaker 2: Agree, I got them in third whoa yep.
Speaker 3: See to me, they're in an organization that's like happy
Speaker 3: winning ten games a year.
Speaker 2: Wow, so that.
Speaker 4: The games and I know, twenty seven nothing and all that.
Speaker 4: But yeah, this was a playoff team.
Speaker 2: So maybe maybe I'd be willing to rethink it a
Speaker 2: little bit. But just like part of me was like,
Speaker 2: someone's got to be in third degree, and he's in
Speaker 2: that category. But I think he's under a lot of pressure.
Speaker 5: Interesting, Oh well, I've got a few other names in
Speaker 5: first degree. Go ahead, four extra names, go ahead, I
Speaker 5: haven't mentioned well number one. Was he on your safe list?
Speaker 5: Or is he deeper?
Speaker 1: Robert sala I have him the next tier?
Speaker 2: Though, Wow, well I've slid first degree. Really you think
Speaker 2: that they would like I feel if anything like hard
Speaker 2: Knocks has done him a service, he's a little bit
Speaker 2: Lit'll be too many models that I maybe I've forgotten if.
Speaker 1: This season goes to hell.
Speaker 2: But he's I don't feel like he's the problem, that's all.
Speaker 4: But that doesn't necessarily mean again, it's not necessarily about
Speaker 4: the coach.
Speaker 3: Not predicting who's gonna get fired.
Speaker 4: It's about the organization and how would Woody Johnson react
Speaker 4: if this season instead of being eleven and six, is
Speaker 4: six and eleven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Woody Johnson is a huge factor there.
Speaker 5: I think if sala, I think that's a fair point,
Speaker 5: and maybe I should put him in second degree because
Speaker 5: I think they believe in him. I think he is
Speaker 5: a good coach. He showed that progress in terms of
Speaker 5: the defensive side, that he's only first degree going into
Speaker 5: the year. But you're right, if they go eight to nine,
Speaker 5: oh the odds are he's gone. So maybe that's a
Speaker 5: second three. This is his third year.
Speaker 4: If this is a and I mean, Woody Johnson just
Speaker 4: showed up on Hard Knocks with a necklace, like a
Speaker 4: two million dollar necklace, and well that was absurd with Woody,
Speaker 4: and let's go jets on it. And you know they're
Speaker 4: they're leaning into the hard Knocks and having the celebrities
Speaker 4: come in and Aaron Rodgers is here and all this
Speaker 4: and then Dalvin Cook this, this ownership is all the
Speaker 4: way in on this season, and I just do not
Speaker 4: know how they would react if this doesn't go the
Speaker 4: way that I and Jetsman.
Speaker 2: Would you see in that scenario, Joe Douglas hits the
Speaker 2: road too.
Speaker 1: I think he would be safer.
Speaker 4: I think that the general thought with Douglas is that
Speaker 4: other than a few high profile and misses, a couple
Speaker 4: of high profile missus, Wilson being one of them. Obviously,
Speaker 4: he's been very good for the organization and I would
Speaker 4: think he would he would survive, but the coach would
Speaker 4: go if the.
Speaker 2: Thing is so Zach Wilson, obviously the miss you're referring to.
Speaker 2: If the Aaron Rodgers experience turns into a flop or
Speaker 2: a massive disaster, then I think Joe Douglas has he's
Speaker 2: got problems because you're missing on quarterback after quarterback at
Speaker 2: that point, right.
Speaker 4: And I also we should say with Aaron Rodgers is
Speaker 4: gonna have a major voice in this too if he
Speaker 4: likes Robert Sala even if the season goes outwa Let's
Speaker 4: say he pulls a calf and misses six weeks and
Speaker 4: they go down the tubes like but if Rogers likes
Speaker 4: Sally could protect him.
Speaker 1: He has that much sway in that organization.
Speaker 5: Maybe I'm just getting nicer as they get older, but
Speaker 5: I just feel like they just like Robert Sallas so much.
Speaker 3: That's why I only put him.
Speaker 2: I get that feel too, but that's now, that's in August.
Speaker 5: I put Eberflus in first degree, so I guess you
Speaker 5: guys must have had him harder. A second year coach
Speaker 5: with an ownership group that isn't known for making overly
Speaker 5: quick changes, although they've had to at some points, and
Speaker 5: so he set the bar so low that I actually
Speaker 5: think that sometimes helps the guy. If they win six
Speaker 5: games this year, I think he's back. So I'm only
Speaker 5: putting him first degree.
Speaker 2: I have him deeper down. I think it's kind of
Speaker 2: like Zach Taylor a couple of years ago. What is
Speaker 2: it that you do that's special? And if you have
Speaker 2: this massive rebuild going and there's a coach that becomes available,
Speaker 2: that is a much sexier proposition. Mattybraflues, I think is
Speaker 2: under pressure to prove to Bears fans and people like us,
Speaker 2: like what difference do you make? I mean, we just
Speaker 2: don't see it. Well, there's not a lot of idea
Speaker 2: of who Maddy in the coach's photo. It's like he's
Speaker 2: the one guy no one could figure out who he
Speaker 2: was a part.
Speaker 5: Yeah, A lot of it is the organization for me,
Speaker 5: this CE ownership CEO GM. I just I don't think
Speaker 5: they're going to be wanting to restart the machine again
Speaker 5: unless they had the number one overall pick.
Speaker 2: Can I mention who else I have in this one?
Speaker 2: I have Belichick in this one.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll talk about it, and well, I just think.
Speaker 2: That it's been never in this exercise would he have
Speaker 2: been anywhere but safe. But it just feels like this
Speaker 2: season is very important for Bill Belichick to not go
Speaker 2: six and ten or wins or six and eleven or
Speaker 2: win seven games and have the whole thing just not
Speaker 2: look good. The owner has talked so pray with so
Speaker 2: much praise about Jared Mayo. I just wonder if, like
Speaker 2: whether it's Bill or whether it's Craft, that maybe things
Speaker 2: hit divorce period. But he's only in first. I just
Speaker 2: think there's more pressure on the Bill Belichick experience than
Speaker 2: there's ever been before.
Speaker 1: Well, the fact that all three of us have him
Speaker 1: out of say for the first time this year. What
Speaker 1: do you have him second?
Speaker 5: I have him second, ye, Because I don't think there's
Speaker 5: many guys where there's been public back and forth, for
Speaker 5: lack of a better word, between ownership and coach, right
Speaker 5: almost a gauntlet being thrown down, and even some very passive,
Speaker 5: aggressive sniping between the coach and and yeah, I think
Speaker 5: they would like have him like step Away or who
Speaker 5: even knows. But if they have, like you said, I
Speaker 5: kind of thought about it, like if these teams go
Speaker 5: with let's say seven and ten, are they back or not?
Speaker 3: Right they went seven and ten. I'm not sure.
Speaker 5: That's why I put it second degree, not third, but
Speaker 5: I think there's a good chance he's gone if they
Speaker 5: go seven and ten.
Speaker 2: The other guy I haven't in first degree is Arthur Smith.
Speaker 1: Okay, hold that thought. Oh okay, you both have him.
Speaker 4: Let me just say one more thing on Belichie that
Speaker 4: the one thing that I pushed back on that is,
Speaker 4: let's say they go seven and ten. What rank them
Speaker 4: in the AFC East right now? Does anybody have them
Speaker 4: anywhere other than fourth?
Speaker 5: Nobody seems Connor or I believe, might even have them
Speaker 5: winning the division, which I you know, I love you conn.
Speaker 3: So very Connor crazy. He's like langing the drum that
Speaker 3: they're like.
Speaker 1: Connor's takes are getting bigger as the agent.
Speaker 3: I enjoy it, so they're like gonna make the AFC Championship.
Speaker 5: There is a little Patriot fan inside of me that
Speaker 5: could see it that that has some optimism, but that's
Speaker 5: only because they do well on years where they're not a.
Speaker 1: Lot of right.
Speaker 4: But another I guess my point is there's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: so much talent AFC's this year that yea to can Bell.
Speaker 4: Now you could say the fact that they are the
Speaker 4: team that has the least talent in this division. That's
Speaker 4: against Belichick too. He's the de facto GM. I see that.
Speaker 4: I think it would have to really, it would have
Speaker 4: to be a double digital loss season and more like and.
Speaker 2: The relationship falling apart between That's it.
Speaker 5: That's why I put him second degree because I feel
Speaker 5: like there's a little Jerry Jones, Jimmy Johnson vibe, not
Speaker 5: in the not in the just in terms of egos
Speaker 5: and credit and craft wants to get into the Hall
Speaker 5: of Fame.
Speaker 3: And there's just like a lot, a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: All right, let's move to second degree.
Speaker 2: One item. First, Yes, I I this is my list,
Speaker 2: and so I had to create a category because this person,
Speaker 2: to me just belongs in their own world. Okay, it's
Speaker 2: zaddy degree. I think Mike McCarthy is just out there
Speaker 2: in his own little place in between first and second
Speaker 2: because I think second is a little hot for him
Speaker 2: because I think.
Speaker 1: It's going basically with your I know, I think he's.
Speaker 2: Just created his own world, Zaddy degree, and he's just
Speaker 2: he sits there and there's a lot here. The play caller,
Speaker 2: now you moved on from the coordinator. Jerry Jones is impatient.
Speaker 2: The Cowboys are always this cauldron of expectations, and Mike
Speaker 2: McCarthy cannot go and lose another ugly playoff game, which
Speaker 2: is why I believe.
Speaker 8: Where nobody's underlog Zaddy stop it.
Speaker 1: Second degree.
Speaker 11: As bad, it's gonna blister, make this year more uncomfortable.
Speaker 5: This is actually less uncomfortable than the old ones used
Speaker 5: to be because it's somewhall, it's funny. Whatever we're paying him,
Speaker 5: it's not enough. It's well well performed.
Speaker 1: Second degree alphabetical order for me.
Speaker 4: Dennis Allen of the Saints, Matt Eberflus, who we discussed
Speaker 4: of the Bears, and my comment on eber Flues.
Speaker 1: You guys have talked about him.
Speaker 4: This will be his second full year with justin Fields.
Speaker 4: They're obviously still very very much invested in Fields. If
Speaker 4: he plateaus or doesn't show growth, I could see them
Speaker 4: being like, shoot, he's entering your four of his rookie
Speaker 4: deal next year. If this isn't working, we don't feel good,
Speaker 4: let's get him out of there. I'm not saying that's
Speaker 4: what I think is gonna happen. I'm just saying, yeah,
Speaker 4: when you look at like the outcomes potentially for the season, that's.
Speaker 5: Why my scenario, like, you're right, it's a OC getting fired,
Speaker 5: it's Luke Getz getting fired.
Speaker 4: Okay, that makes sense too. I have Zaddy Mike McCarthy
Speaker 4: here in second degree. You mentioned the reasons why Mark.
Speaker 4: I just think they're reaching a stage maybe where he
Speaker 4: needs to take that next step, and Jerry Jones is
Speaker 4: not getting any younger.
Speaker 1: I just think this is a big year for Dallas.
Speaker 3: I'm with you on second second.
Speaker 1: I got Josh McDaniel's second degree.
Speaker 2: Hmm, I got him somewhere else.
Speaker 1: Okay, hold that thought, uh mentioned.
Speaker 2: Unless it's McDaniel, let's yeah, I create him on another.
Speaker 1: Robert sala I had second degree. We talked about that,
Speaker 1: Arthur Smith.
Speaker 4: Let's talk about Arthur Smith because I know everyone loves
Speaker 4: Arthur Smith and the Falcons in this room. But for
Speaker 4: the same reason, I have Robert sala in this tier.
Speaker 4: You do not get a fourth year in the NFL
Speaker 4: if you don't get to the playoffs in the first three.
Speaker 4: And this is his third season and they have yet
Speaker 4: to make the playoffs have a winning record.
Speaker 2: I think click that was one where I looked at
Speaker 2: the organization and Arthur blank patient. I think he's shown patients.
Speaker 2: I think number one, you could say that where they
Speaker 2: were two years ago identity free, mostly a disaster. They
Speaker 2: have an identity. Now it's got to go translate on
Speaker 2: the field. But this is Arthur Smith's identity. And it's
Speaker 2: like I kind of like when a coach in the
Speaker 2: course of two seasons can create a roster in a
Speaker 2: type of offense which is his specialty that looks a
Speaker 2: lot like what he was able to do in Tennessee,
Speaker 2: and it's like, you're working well with the general manager.
Speaker 2: It has to they can't go to have the same
Speaker 2: record as last year, but he doesn't feel like it doesn't.
Speaker 2: It feels like low drama in Atlanta. So I think
Speaker 2: a lot would need to change over the next five
Speaker 2: or six months.
Speaker 5: I think he took the job in a true rebuilding
Speaker 5: situation and they knew it. They pressed like the explode
Speaker 5: button in terms of their salary cap issues. They sort
Speaker 5: of took a year or two off. They love them.
Speaker 3: But you're right, Mark, I mean, Dan, it's it's extremely.
Speaker 5: Rare to get a fourth year without a playoffs because
Speaker 5: the guys it almost does that. Ron Rivera technically made
Speaker 5: the playoffs as Commander's head coach, but he you know
Speaker 5: he I don't think he has a winning record yet,
Speaker 5: but it almost never happens. Happens once in a while.
Speaker 5: I think Arthur Smith could be a rare case. Actually
Speaker 5: he would get a fourth year, but you're right. He
Speaker 5: probably has to win eight or nine games, and if
Speaker 5: he went seven to ten using my own test, that's
Speaker 5: fifty to fifty at best whether he gets a fourth
Speaker 5: so second tier you've actually convinced me again, I think
Speaker 5: I was too nice put him in first year.
Speaker 3: Second thear make sense.
Speaker 4: When you bang the demolition button on your organization, you reboot,
Speaker 4: and that includes hiring a young head coach or whatever.
Speaker 1: I think it is two years.
Speaker 4: That means that guy gets a two year grace period
Speaker 4: unless he's terrible in the eyes of the team, and
Speaker 4: then that third year it's go time. So that's a
Speaker 4: I think and there's very it's not a big time
Speaker 4: division that they're in. We like a lot of elements
Speaker 4: of their roster. There's a lot of reasons why put
Speaker 4: it this way. There's no excuses for them to be
Speaker 4: above five hundred team right year. And I think Arthur
Speaker 4: Blank would struggle with that if we're looking at the
Speaker 4: same seven eight win team for a third straight year
Speaker 4: with the same head coach.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, like anything, you know, if you project out,
Speaker 2: you know, four months and they've won six games, like,
Speaker 2: the feeling around the team is going to be completely
Speaker 2: different than it is right now.
Speaker 5: Right ownership and GM situation is such a big part
Speaker 5: of this. You mentioned McDaniels and Alan who to me
Speaker 5: are very different second year coaches. I had them both
Speaker 5: in this category as well, So I agree. McDaniels has
Speaker 5: a owner who's a little more capricious, a little more
Speaker 5: emotional like he you could see him getting booted out
Speaker 5: of there. I think if the vibes it's not just
Speaker 5: win lost to it's like what's going on around the team?
Speaker 3: Does the quarterback situation look any better? I think they
Speaker 3: could go.
Speaker 5: Seven to ten and he could keep the job as
Speaker 5: long as it's not like drama filled, as long as
Speaker 5: it's not embarrassing, as long as what he is supposed
Speaker 5: to be good at offense is on tap. But I
Speaker 5: think he's in a tough ownership situation, whereas Dennis Allen.
Speaker 5: I feel like they're looking for a reason to keep
Speaker 5: Dennis Allen and and I have him second degree. I
Speaker 5: thought about first degree, like, I feel like the bar
Speaker 5: is very low for Dennis Allen because he had a
Speaker 5: terrible first year as a head coach. They underachieved, and
Speaker 5: it didn't seem like much buzz at all about him
Speaker 5: losing his job.
Speaker 2: I wait, so did you already list your second degrees?
Speaker 2: Do you have more?
Speaker 1: He did?
Speaker 2: I just okay, So I threw Ron River in here,
Speaker 2: although if I could revise that, I think he belongs
Speaker 2: in third. New ownership, all sorts of stuff going on there.
Speaker 2: Kevin Stefanski in second. You could argue for him being
Speaker 2: third two, but I think Stefanski is is a good
Speaker 2: football coach, and like if I think if they succeed,
Speaker 2: he'd have to really be the reason that someone like
Speaker 2: Deshaun Watson fails. It has to be not Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 2: It has to be Stefanski.
Speaker 3: But to separate that, well, Deshaun Watson fails, Sefanski fails.
Speaker 2: Well, I would say that, like, first of all, he'd
Speaker 2: lose the power. There's obviously the power you know, situation
Speaker 2: with with Deshaun. But I think Stefanski last year with
Speaker 2: Jacoby Brissette proved that he's a very good offensive coach.
Speaker 2: So I he's just gonna lose the power battle to
Speaker 2: de Sewan. But I don't think it would be Stefansen's
Speaker 2: fault necessarily.
Speaker 3: Wow, but that's not what we're debating.
Speaker 5: To me, as the hottest seed in the league, he's there,
Speaker 5: he's number really well, I think he's the most.
Speaker 2: I see, I go Josh McDaniels.
Speaker 3: I thought, really, so he's he's all right, you think he's.
Speaker 2: Hot, right McDaniels, like has lost portions of locker room already.
Speaker 4: Let's hold that then before So if you think he's
Speaker 4: the hottest, hold that for a second. I just want
Speaker 4: to circle back to the Raiders and you say that
Speaker 4: there's some capricious ownership there is that. I know his
Speaker 4: dad was, but I'm looking at like the the Mark
Speaker 4: Davis era. So Dennis Allen got two and a half years.
Speaker 4: Jack del Rio got three years, John Gruden got three
Speaker 4: and a half years before.
Speaker 5: They even just signing John Gruden into a ten year contract,
Speaker 5: Like that's just kind of crazy, you know, Like that
Speaker 5: that was I don't know if capricious is even the
Speaker 5: right word, but just like I think that was like
Speaker 5: surprising and unpredicted, and.
Speaker 2: Those those coaching tenures you mentioned line up with year.
Speaker 4: Right working what I know now it does because Gruden
Speaker 4: is a blackball from the league.
Speaker 1: But like or not really, but like the fact.
Speaker 3: That I think he might be on that Saint Steph,
Speaker 3: I really have a feeling.
Speaker 4: As I was saying, I was like, yeah, actually he's
Speaker 4: working with a team closely. But when the tenured it
Speaker 4: made sense. Yes, it was a lot of money, but
Speaker 4: he was a he was a kind of a Raiders hero,
Speaker 4: a previous generation and all that. Like I don't know,
Speaker 4: he just hasn't had one of those like one and
Speaker 4: done firings yet or two and done even so we'll see.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's why I put him in second degree.
Speaker 5: I agree with that Dan.
Speaker 4: Daniels has been He was so bad in Denver the
Speaker 4: way that ended, and if this there's no results here,
Speaker 4: you know who remembers him being bad in Denver. I
Speaker 4: would think Mark Davis like it's like if we made
Speaker 4: a mistake here, we gotta we got to get out
Speaker 4: of this.
Speaker 5: They also like hired, you know, his handpicked GM, so
Speaker 5: they'd have to probably get rid of the whole operation.
Speaker 5: You're right if Davante Adams like starts being upset and
Speaker 5: stuff like that, that's fair. But I actually think Davis
Speaker 5: is like, Okay, do it with your guys. You can
Speaker 5: get rid of Derek Carr. I don't think he ever
Speaker 5: loved Derek Carr anyways, but like this, he had to
Speaker 5: take a year to get rid of some guys he
Speaker 5: didn't want.
Speaker 2: They might be the third or fourth worst team in
Speaker 2: the AFC, and like, I don't think they're gonna win
Speaker 2: a lot of games. You've got players all over the place,
Speaker 2: like Josh Jacobs, what happened with Derek Carr year ago?
Speaker 2: DeVante Adams, that situation just feels slightly tnt ish.
Speaker 1: Certainly back to Zadi real quick. This is his fourth
Speaker 1: year with the Cowboys, six and ten in year one,
Speaker 1: twelve and five, year two, twelve and five, year three,
Speaker 1: pretty damn good, especially if they this end of the
Speaker 1: season's ended poorly, right, in an almost embarrassing fashion, of course,
Speaker 1: but there are not too many.
Speaker 4: Look at the recent history of the Cowboys back to
Speaker 4: back twelve win seasons and he's that been the head
Speaker 4: coach of those.
Speaker 3: Well, there's none.
Speaker 5: They'd have to go back to when they won the
Speaker 5: Super the good old days that was that was basically
Speaker 5: their trademark, even under Jason Garrett, who was more successful.
Speaker 3: Is one one good year, one bad year.
Speaker 1: They would have to.
Speaker 4: Really I think maybe maybe I'm even now talking myself
Speaker 4: him back down to one.
Speaker 1: Maybe you're exactly right, Mark, Like.
Speaker 4: He's a really tough one, a bubble guy, because it's
Speaker 4: almost like the Cowboys have to go like five and
Speaker 4: twelve with no injuries wrecking their season for Jared to
Speaker 4: be like, oh, I don't like Michael cart Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think he's like a tough person to place easily
Speaker 2: in first or second for me, and like that's why
Speaker 2: I did what I did. But I also feel like
Speaker 2: if they don't make the NFC title game, there could
Speaker 2: be problems.
Speaker 1: It's like I don't know, like if they have another.
Speaker 3: He controls them and he's like the perfect Cowboys coach.
Speaker 4: Like well, we saw it there when we were at
Speaker 4: the camp, Like, he's so comfortable there. I think him
Speaker 4: and Jared obviously get along well both like longtime football
Speaker 4: guys think.
Speaker 2: But if they have another like ugly meltdown to exit
Speaker 2: the playoffs.
Speaker 1: If they were in the playoffs, I don't know, it
Speaker 1: would have to be.
Speaker 3: I think they'd have to have a losing record.
Speaker 5: If they had a losing record, all bets are off
Speaker 5: and that's why first or second works.
Speaker 1: All right? Third degree?
Speaker 2: No, no, I mean he's still alive.
Speaker 3: Sounds like Kirk Cousins on The Quarterback Show getting off
Speaker 3: the field.
Speaker 2: I wish we had a video of some well recording this.
Speaker 1: That's a good call.
Speaker 5: Next year, I only had two guys. I withheld one
Speaker 5: of the names because I figured.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have two guys. Also, I have Todd Bowles
Speaker 1: and Ron Rivera.
Speaker 5: I have Todd, I have Ron Rivera and Kevin Stefanski.
Speaker 5: Stefanski would be my pick. And again it's not projecting
Speaker 5: how the team goes. But like if I had to
Speaker 5: say every team in the NFL starts zero to four,
Speaker 5: or like if you just pretend that I think he's
Speaker 5: the most likely to get fired, like at that point
Speaker 5: in the season or or whatever it is, one in seven,
Speaker 5: I think Rivera is close, and that's why they were
Speaker 5: my two, the two hottest ones for me and Bulls.
Speaker 5: You could talk me into I only put him second degree.
Speaker 5: But but Stefanski, to me, he's been there a long time.
Speaker 5: They've made their bed with Deshaun Watson, and I just
Speaker 5: think if it goes sideways, that Jim Schwartz is there also, Like,
Speaker 5: I just don't think there's any leeway.
Speaker 3: I think he's a playoffs so.
Speaker 1: You gotta get Jim Schwartz in there at the end. Coach.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm just saying his playoffs or bust to me
Speaker 5: for a team that on paper is third or fourth
Speaker 5: in that division, even if they're a very talented roster.
Speaker 2: I totally agree that he's in a tough spot. I
Speaker 2: think it's easy to just look at the ownership and say, oh,
Speaker 2: it's been a while since they've done something, you know,
Speaker 2: jaw doppingly insane. I do think they've changed a little bit.
Speaker 2: I just think that they've calmed down a little bit.
Speaker 2: They've got a good general manager. Like, but you're right,
Speaker 2: he's under a ton of pressure, and I think I
Speaker 2: don't like the situation because I don't think we know
Speaker 2: who Deshaun Watson is right.
Speaker 5: Now, right, But it wouldn't be insane either. If Deshaun
Speaker 5: Watson plays poorly, this combo is not working.
Speaker 2: And that's basically but I mean, I hope job, I
Speaker 2: hope there could be some we don't you know. I
Speaker 2: don't want to go down the Watson conversation, but it's like,
Speaker 2: if he's not a good quarterback anymore, like he's a
Speaker 2: Russell Russell Wilson situation, then it's like it's I but
Speaker 2: in that case, the Nathaniel Hackett got shot out into
Speaker 2: the universe.
Speaker 5: If it's that case, though, Jimmy Hasl was just looking
Speaker 5: for a coach that can prove him right, right, He's
Speaker 5: the one that wanted to right.
Speaker 4: I mean, you look at see I have him. I
Speaker 4: have him firmly. Stefanski and two second degree just because
Speaker 4: his first year is a major boom season for the organization.
Speaker 4: They win eleven games, they win a playoff game against Pittsburgh,
Speaker 4: and then the next year was a big disappointment. But
Speaker 4: I think time is kind of revealed like that. Some
Speaker 4: on Stefanski they tied themselves with the wrong horse and
Speaker 4: Baker and that kind of shipwrecked their season in a
Speaker 4: lot of ways. And then they moved away from Baker
Speaker 4: and I don't care obviously Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 1: Last year.
Speaker 4: They punted on twenty twenty two for Watson in terms
Speaker 4: of the money and the deal looking ahead to this
Speaker 4: season and beyond, and you got to say the same
Speaker 4: thing for the whole team in a and it was
Speaker 4: a very strange time I would imagine to be a
Speaker 4: Cleveland football fan, because you knew once they signed that
Speaker 4: deal and they knew that suspension was going to be hardcore,
Speaker 4: and then Watson missing two years or whatever, there was
Speaker 4: going to be potential growing pains as he re entered
Speaker 4: the lineup. Like I don't hold anything against Stefanski, I
Speaker 4: guess what I'm saying is, like I think Stefanski, it's
Speaker 4: unless there's some you know, capricious decision making that can
Speaker 4: go on to Cleveland, which is certainly possible.
Speaker 1: I think he gets kind.
Speaker 4: Of a fresh start here with DeShawn Watson, and I
Speaker 4: think he could get multiple years two years even if
Speaker 4: this season doesn't go beautifully, which is why you have
Speaker 4: him in second degree. I think there's a lot of
Speaker 4: pressure on him to make things go this year, but
Speaker 4: I don't think it's like I.
Speaker 5: Just think there's very specific. I think it's pretty much
Speaker 5: winner else. And I also think it's if Deshaun Watson
Speaker 5: is not a top twelve, fourteen quarterback you know in
Speaker 5: the NFL, then.
Speaker 3: You lose your job. That that that could be tough.
Speaker 3: We'll see.
Speaker 1: Where do you guys. I have Todd Bowles.
Speaker 2: I had him in second, but I like that that
Speaker 2: goes really poorly. Like Todd Bowles is in hot water.
Speaker 2: You still have arians there and stuff.
Speaker 1: So it's like, seriously, they really have I believe he's
Speaker 1: in the complex on a daily basis.
Speaker 4: I think I've hit on this four so I don't
Speaker 4: want to dwell on it. But I think this is
Speaker 4: a transition year for that organization after they sold out
Speaker 4: in the Brady years. I think they you see it
Speaker 4: in the way they're handling their quarterbacks this year with
Speaker 4: Baker and Trask. I think unless they really surprise people,
Speaker 4: which I don't think they're going to, I think they're
Speaker 4: going to be a very middle of the road or
Speaker 4: worse team the season. That this is going to be
Speaker 4: a reset after the season and he will be swept
Speaker 4: out and he will be very hotly contested out there
Speaker 4: to be somebody's DC.
Speaker 1: But I think this could be the end of the
Speaker 1: road for Todd Bowles.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna move him. I'm moving him into my third tier.
Speaker 3: I don't know why I'm so like eight people. I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't like it, but I'm just.
Speaker 5: Thinking about it. He's right that Bowles underachieved a year ago.
Speaker 5: I think that's probably the key part of it. Yes,
Speaker 5: they made the playoffs, but that they should have won
Speaker 5: more games than they did.
Speaker 1: They were a mess.
Speaker 5: They were disappointing on both sides of the ball. And
Speaker 5: I think Bowles is a good defensive coach, but that's
Speaker 5: what it is. And he's one of the worst in
Speaker 5: game decision makers in the league. I mean that division
Speaker 5: is a disaster between him and Dennis Allen. I like
Speaker 5: Arthur Smith, fine, but it's like in right, but like
Speaker 5: those two guys in a game that they're low on
Speaker 5: my list of who I want like making any sort
Speaker 5: of like decision on the floor.
Speaker 2: I think it goes back to the fact that, like
Speaker 2: the Arians stepped away, Todd Bowles made sense to come
Speaker 2: in as like a like a. It's like someone that
Speaker 2: I think could they knew the organization, knew the players,
Speaker 2: they knew him, and it was a smooth transition. But
Speaker 2: did they really go pick Todd Bowles as their number
Speaker 2: one guy? I mean, is that how they see him
Speaker 2: as my number one?
Speaker 5: I think they were just trying to you know, arians
Speaker 5: had some sway and they were trying to keep it going.
Speaker 5: Jason light who I think has done a good job
Speaker 5: overall in terms of player personnel. They're all close. They
Speaker 5: won a Super Bowl together, and they wanted they they
Speaker 5: basically wanted to extend that. Uh that that entire era.
Speaker 5: I'm a little we all have Rivera here. That was
Speaker 5: the one one we agreed on, yeah or no, I
Speaker 5: had Rivera in second?
Speaker 3: Whoa because to me, he just because of the new ownership.
Speaker 5: It's I'm optimistic that they could be a surprise team,
Speaker 5: but they're gonna have to be that. You know, he
Speaker 5: can't using my seven and ten method. I think he's
Speaker 5: gone with the seven and.
Speaker 1: Ten completely at the mercy of things that have nothing.
Speaker 2: Didn't you have something about Washington winning the division? Right?
Speaker 3: But we're not.
Speaker 5: I thought this exercise is not us what we think
Speaker 5: that's you know, I'm not looking at what I think
Speaker 5: I'm looking like, if this season is a disappointment, is
Speaker 5: he gone?
Speaker 3: He's right there? Maybe number one on they just.
Speaker 2: Whenever there's a new owner right here that But I
Speaker 2: also think Ron Rivera's has a special quality to seem
Speaker 2: to win these people over and stick around when I
Speaker 2: could have you can got rid of Ron Rivera two
Speaker 2: years ago, I wouldn't it.
Speaker 5: David Tepper got rid of him pretty quick. I mean
Speaker 5: he let him do one year and you got rid.
Speaker 4: Of I think that's what's happening here. I think Ron
Speaker 4: knows it too. He's a smart guy. He's been around forever.
Speaker 5: He's kind of said it actually out loud that he
Speaker 5: knows how much this year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, so he's his He needs a bit of
Speaker 4: a a Hail Mary completion. And I think maybe maybe
Speaker 4: Sam Howe can play the guitar and and they hang
Speaker 4: around in that division and maybe that's enough. But you
Speaker 4: would think this ownership group, did you guys talk about
Speaker 4: the handshake?
Speaker 3: By the way, we did not know the handshake.
Speaker 5: We spent about fifteen minutes on that game, and yet
Speaker 5: that was rough hit the him.
Speaker 2: I think The best part was Kroy Aikman kind of
Speaker 2: like had a little rise smile after he saw what happened.
Speaker 4: You know, oh my god, that guy is you know,
Speaker 4: he's dying to make a stamp on the organization. And
Speaker 4: I think that stamp next year is very likely to
Speaker 4: be new head coach, new quarterback.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they win ten games, then he's then he's good.
Speaker 3: He's great.
Speaker 5: I just think, bless Yeah, and he's good because I
Speaker 5: think they they've even asked him, and Josh Harris has said, look,
Speaker 5: we're valued and everything. But you know, we've talked with Ron.
Speaker 5: He knows, he knows how important this year is. Like
Speaker 5: they've all they're all on the same page. They're all adults,
Speaker 5: which I like.
Speaker 4: You know what's interesting this year and this is good
Speaker 4: because I talked about it last year. Nobody wants to
Speaker 4: be entering a season. This job is hard enough. Nobody
Speaker 4: wants to be Matt Ruhle Uh. Nobody wants to be
Speaker 4: Adam Gase. You never want to be the guy that
Speaker 4: it feels like you're a dead man walking and and
Speaker 4: then sure enough it almost always plays out that guy
Speaker 4: rarely even makes it through the season. I don't think
Speaker 4: we have that guy could like for me Bowls or
Speaker 4: of Era. Could they get let go during the season
Speaker 4: and things go terribly Sure, but don't. I don't see
Speaker 4: a coach out of the thirty two who feels truly
Speaker 4: doomed entering the season. And usually I feel like there's
Speaker 4: at least one.
Speaker 2: I'm with you, and I don't know if I've ever
Speaker 2: had so many in the safe category.
Speaker 3: Same I thought the same thing.
Speaker 5: It's a lot of because there's a lot of first
Speaker 5: year coaches, and there's a lot of coaches who have
Speaker 5: had nice recent rebounds, Like Pete Carroll was in my
Speaker 5: first or second tier a couple of years ago, and
Speaker 5: now like I was thinking, like he actually could survive.
Speaker 5: I think a bad year he would be fine.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of coaches like that.
Speaker 5: Like I can't Rabel even though he's coming off a
Speaker 5: bad year, like he's earned it, Like it's good. Maybe
Speaker 5: we won't have as many firings this year, Dan, I
Speaker 5: think it could be a light year. I hope it
Speaker 5: could be like a light year is.
Speaker 4: I want to apologize to Eric and Randy behind the glass.
Speaker 4: I had them build out boards that we could show.
Speaker 4: But you guys have been changing all your tiers.
Speaker 2: So I haven't changed a single thing.
Speaker 1: Oh you haven't show him?
Speaker 3: It could show it doesn't matter, Greg up the boards.
Speaker 10: It makes more sense how you guys are doing it,
Speaker 10: like kind of go up coach by coach instead of yeah,
Speaker 10: cross refing reading.
Speaker 1: Yeah, flash them up here. Let's for the YouTube audience,
Speaker 1: you know, like.
Speaker 5: The YouTube audience is growing, they're going to be joint
Speaker 5: plus audience. Forget about it.
Speaker 1: And you have uh, I want to make sure we
Speaker 1: hit this.
Speaker 4: You have Brandon Staley third degree Mark So, yep, that
Speaker 4: is that's pretty hardcore third degree.
Speaker 1: He isn't just as much danger as Todd Bowles and
Speaker 1: Ron Rivera.
Speaker 3: Interested we all.
Speaker 2: Have my world more than Todd Bowles Ron Rivera, So
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe iways on it.
Speaker 5: He had McDaniels as his such mcder degree. So there's
Speaker 5: a lot of disagreement among us, which I think to
Speaker 5: Dan's point, there's no one that feels totally doomed. There's
Speaker 5: room for disagreement on almost all these guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, look at his bored great job behind the glass, Salah,
Speaker 1: Salah on the second tier, Danny, Hey, listen, this is
Speaker 1: boom Er Bust.
Speaker 4: There's never been a boomer bust team like this in
Speaker 4: memory for me as a fan.
Speaker 10: This this, uh, the Safe one was definitely one where
Speaker 10: I was like, this probably wouldn't play you had the
Speaker 10: Safe one.
Speaker 3: I give any names? Too many names?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 2: WHOA that is an eye store? Not not because of
Speaker 2: you guys, just.
Speaker 1: You know that name you old copy diarrhea.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you want to, if you want to.
Speaker 10: I was trying to figure out how we could like
Speaker 10: digest this, and it's like, you guys send me twenty
Speaker 10: names on the safeboard.
Speaker 1: I'm crap.
Speaker 2: We could if you're listening to this on audio, don't
Speaker 2: check this out.
Speaker 5: Or we could turn it into a T shirt and
Speaker 5: I'll wear it, you know, like Sean mcvay's style.
Speaker 3: It'd be great.
Speaker 2: And now we should make T shirts out of this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's sure, the Safe.
Speaker 2: Yes, I love it. Let's do it and just wear
Speaker 2: it around.
Speaker 1: We've been talking about Merge for a long time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is maybe this is it turn that key And now,
Speaker 1: just to cover my basis, I hope all thirty two survives.
Speaker 1: I hope they all. I hope they all go twelve.
Speaker 2: And yeah, but from that angle, you're telling us that
Speaker 2: there are so many other talented human beings that would
Speaker 2: not get this chance to do this job that you
Speaker 2: don't want, those people don't want.
Speaker 4: In my heart, I can't imagine these men losing their employment.
Speaker 4: So even if there is a butterfly effect that hurts
Speaker 4: other men, and you know what, Mark, women.
Speaker 2: Sure of course, I don't doubt that. But I don't
Speaker 2: luck to everyone. I don't buy a word of what
Speaker 2: you're saying. So I think I think.
Speaker 1: Neverybody all right.
Speaker 5: You think if they make more money than you, they
Speaker 5: just don't have feelings. You know that's not true. I
Speaker 5: hate to break it to you, Dan uh common man
Speaker 5: ring M. You make we make a lot more than
Speaker 5: a lot of those assistants out there.
Speaker 1: How about that?
Speaker 3: How about that? What do you mean you don't know?
Speaker 2: I know that for a fact.
Speaker 5: What are you saying you're not worried about?
Speaker 3: Yeah, these assistants, they're they're out there.
Speaker 5: They're not all they're not all uh fat cats moving
Speaker 5: around every year.
Speaker 1: All right, Greg, you're right, you've done it again, Greg, Mark,
Speaker 1: any final words before we say goodbye?
Speaker 2: No, I just really want that T shirt. I'm not
Speaker 2: kidding about that.
Speaker 3: It's a great job.
Speaker 1: Talk.
Speaker 2: Well, were his kids hearing this another room?
Speaker 3: That's definitely you gotta wait for them to be.
Speaker 1: Part of his UH contract agreement to be the voice
Speaker 1: of God is he had to leave his family. He
Speaker 1: lives in a bunker in Connecticut now where he just
Speaker 1: does sound drops for us period.
Speaker 2: That's why he moved. That's said, Yeah, I liked his family.
Speaker 2: I mean from what I knew of them.
Speaker 4: Let's you put it in the past tense and that
Speaker 4: was the look. I thought it was important that he
Speaker 4: focused on the UH and he said yes pretty.
Speaker 3: Quickly, tough sits for the family, Eat the cop.
Speaker 7: Im warm.
Speaker 1: A geez, geez, little little I think it's a little warm.
Speaker 6: Yeah, God, gode oh geez.
Speaker 1: Ah, well right.
Speaker 6: A wow, Uh, I'm a little I'm a little concerned.
Speaker 1: Uh can uh just turn it turn it down a little?
Speaker 10: Ah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it hurts. It physically hurts my butt,
Speaker 1: Okay just a little bit. Yeah, it's definitely gonna be
Speaker 1: a first degree burned, you son of a bitch.