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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast has been golfing but is

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Speaker 1: decidedly not golfer. From the Chris Westling podcast studio, It's

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Speaker 1: Around the NFL. I am Dan hansis heroes here, Greg Rosethal,

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Speaker 1: Mark Sessler. Do we need to litigate the golfing?

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Speaker 2: I don't relocated Skiven Eetquette and I think he's floating

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Speaker 3: So we're here. We're in a new season, a football season.

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Speaker 4: I thank you everybody for respecting my space. I needed

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Speaker 4: that Wednesday after what happened with the Ravens. Just clear

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Speaker 4: my head and really go for a walk, a long one.

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Speaker 3: So well, it's it's tough for you.

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Speaker 5: I guess on a few fronts because I don't know

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Speaker 5: if you remember on the show Monday, if if you're

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Speaker 5: going to bring it up right away, we should revisit

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Speaker 5: something that you said.

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Speaker 4: John Harbaugh does care and it's a big round number

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Speaker 4: twenty five.

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Speaker 1: There is zero chance.

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Speaker 4: Oh I mean, I won't say anything else. If you

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Speaker 4: want to those desert folk. There is zero chance that

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Speaker 4: the Ravens lose this game. And don't lay any wood

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Speaker 4: you lay out, chop it. They will chop that wood.

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Speaker 1: M that hurts.

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Speaker 2: Well, you went on to suggest that you would issue

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was where that was where you went thatology.

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Speaker 4: Well, I won't go that far to actually keep my word,

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Speaker 1: I'm not a desert.

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Speaker 5: You won't be a man of your word. You said

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Speaker 2: Don't know reverse now right in reverse? If we it

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Speaker 1: It's a different standard for me and you guys.

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Speaker 1: Well maybe in their mind should be the same that

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Speaker 4: Maybe, but anyway, good to be back we did. Uh,

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Speaker 4: know there's this idea that once again, uh you know,

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Speaker 1: and we understand that. But we also understand that there

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Speaker 4: And we're going to talk about not who we want

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Speaker 2: But unlike a bricklayer, if they're fired a year into

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know, there's some people out there that

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Speaker 1: Right, it's virtue signaling, and it's ugly.

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Speaker 2: We're tired of it.

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Speaker 1: Is it is it possible that if it grows back,

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Speaker 2: That's how the body works.

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Speaker 4: The theme of the rookie, right, Tommy John, Yes you

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Speaker 1: Uh. Here's the big news around the NFL, which is this.

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Speaker 4: a podcast. We've had different things iterations connected to the show,

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Speaker 4: This company has a new streaming platform, new Wish called

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Speaker 4: NFL Plus that I'm not telling the tales out of school.

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Speaker 4: It's a big deal for NFL.

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Speaker 4: They're putting a lot into this, and with that knowledge,

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Speaker 4: which is plentiful.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot.

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Speaker 1: You get NFL Network, you get Red.

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Speaker 3: Zone, you get games, get gained.

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Speaker 5: I mean that's the key thing to me. You get

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Speaker 4: Exactly as well as now two news shows per week

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Speaker 4: Sure, I see it as atn's Dreamatorium, the special play

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Speaker 5: And it'll be quick too. We'll get you in and

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Speaker 4: Well look give me one second, because we got to

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Speaker 4: there's something we need to make sure because I know

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Speaker 4: That's how they all talk. That's true or something like that.

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Speaker 4: ATM content will be available with the same Dozone subscription

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 2: Are we doing Thursday.

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Speaker 1: Nighty night, Thursday Night recap? Yep?

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Speaker 2: Then on Friday, don't even try to find us on Friday.

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Speaker 2: Don't even You're not going to locate us Friday.

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Speaker 5: There's so much to go over. But yes, we are

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Speaker 5: doing a Thursday Night recap. For a second, we've had

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Speaker 5: so many different plannings of different iteration to this. I

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Speaker 1: Mark. Will you be involved with these projects?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely? I mean the lot, there's a lot riding on

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Speaker 2: the fact that the employment continues.

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Speaker 3: That's true.

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Speaker 5: You know, if you do sign up for an NFL

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Speaker 5: especially if you're coming to see us, like I don't

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Speaker 5: even know how it works. Just let NFL plus knows, No,

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Speaker 5: we sent you because we want to stay employed at

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Speaker 1: That's what they do.

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Speaker 4: Excited about this. This isn't just like stuff we're gonna

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Speaker 1: M M. That's the truth.

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Speaker 7: Let's do some news a little easy on that, buddy,

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Speaker 7: because you know we I think we're we're pretty tough

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, And I I know Dolphins fans can be sensitive

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Speaker 1: Ryan Clark gets killed, gets killed, as.

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Speaker 4: You would imagine, all over the place for this comment,

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Speaker 8: Were talking about a little I had to answer questions

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Speaker 3: I truly apologize, but only if that. If not, I'm

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Speaker 1: Well it's even worse than that, actually, because this is

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Speaker 4: Like this, because it's not even it's disingenuous. Ryan Clark

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Speaker 1: That was a joke. But he also said that he

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Speaker 1: physically thought that Tua looks soft and essentially out of shape,

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Speaker 8: I've reached out. I hope to talk to you soon, brother,

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Speaker 8: But just no, I wasn't questioning the way you work,

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Speaker 8: It was what I can consider, no, a bad joke,

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Speaker 1: I'll be better.

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Speaker 5: Ryan Clark's usually pretty great, so I'm gonna give him

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Speaker 5: His immediate response for twenty four hours was just like,

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Speaker 3: I'm joking.

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Speaker 2: you know college. No, I mean, like the back and

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Speaker 2: I'm cool with like the second part. We didn't need that.

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Speaker 4: To say that it was to couch it all as

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Speaker 5: Maybe it's like the muscles aren't popping, but he's way

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Speaker 4: Now that I could buy in, like the I was

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Speaker 1: That's that I can buy into.

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Speaker 4: And that's obviously what he's done anyway, silliness and I

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Speaker 3: It, all right, let's get to it. It was very Michael

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Speaker 1: It was cringey. It was Scott's Tots level cringey.

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Speaker 4: Update on Jonathan Taylor, the former All Pro running back

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Speaker 4: here's the latest NFL Network's Cameron Wolf. So the Dolphins

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Speaker 4: Cults have given Taylor's people Tuesday as the deadline for

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Speaker 1: Is there any reason why Tuesday is the deadline?

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Speaker 5: Well, it's cut down day on Tuesday, and that might

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Speaker 5: Wanting to know basically how you're moving forward with the season.

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Speaker 5: If you're gonna have to replace Jonathan Taylor, you would

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Speaker 1: Lant you mentioned it. No, yes, that's the deadline.

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Speaker 4: He'll be required to miss the first four games of

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Speaker 2: Can't do a thing where he pulls the I'm sitting

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Speaker 2: So I think he's in a tough spot here. I

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Speaker 2: They've apparently inquired about Josh Jacobs, but they're not gonna

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Speaker 2: No one is going to give the Colts a first

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Speaker 2: here's your chance. You go find out how much real

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Speaker 5: We hit this one pretty hard on Wednesday, so I

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think all that is like kind of

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Speaker 3: That was a great move by them.

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Speaker 4: In other news, Isaiah Simmons' time with the Cardinals is over. Well,

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Speaker 4: the Cardinals. It's not working out, according to reports, and

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Speaker 4: then he gets moved.

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Speaker 1: And I had mentioned he couldn't make it. Seems like

445
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Speaker 1: a guy that would make sense. Fresh start it's not

446
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Speaker 1: working late round pick. It's exactly what happens.

447
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 4: Schefter reported that the Cardinals agreed to a trade of

448
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Speaker 4: the twenty twenty first round pick to the Giants. That

449
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,960
Speaker 4: Johnson was sending a twenty twenty four to seventh round

450
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Speaker 4: pick back to Arizona in exchange for Simmons.

451
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Speaker 1: So there you go.

452
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Speaker 4: Mark, this is a guy that was seen as this versatile,

453
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Speaker 4: big time playmaker at a CLI, and he was there.

454
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Speaker 4: Cardinals kind of couldn't figure out how to make him

455
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Speaker 4: go as a pro, and now the Giants are taking

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Speaker 4: a shot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I jumped on your comment from Monday saying that it's

459
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Speaker 2: the kind of situation where he's gonna wind up somewhere

460
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Speaker 2: else where he's used better, and he's gonna tell tales

461
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Speaker 2: about how he was not used in Arizona. I mean

462
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Speaker 2: they put him in a terrible position. He was flailing

463
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Speaker 2: as a safety. I think the Giants are a good match.

464
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Speaker 2: You know, we'll see if he can still play. But

465
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Speaker 2: wing Mark and Martindale, their defensive coordinator, I think he's

466
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Speaker 2: gonna he's someone that is interested in taking Simmons, using

467
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Speaker 2: him in different ways. Day Ball called him explosive, athletic

468
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,200
Speaker 2: and said there was a multiple role potential. We got

469
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Speaker 2: to see it, but it's like this team is wanting

470
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Speaker 2: to put him back where he belongs.

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Speaker 5: If any team, any coach I think could use his creativity,

472
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Speaker 5: well it would be wing Martindale.

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Speaker 3: I think he'll play some linebacker.

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Speaker 5: Reminds me a little of our our friend Wes his

475
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Speaker 5: infatuation with Dayan Buchanan, a very similar player also drafted

476
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Speaker 5: by the Cardinals, who could play multiple positions. Did it

477
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Speaker 5: a little better off the top than.

478
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Speaker 4: The Cardinals, So they traded their first pick in twenty

479
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Speaker 4: twenty on Wednesday, also their second pick in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: He was a third rounder.

481
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Speaker 4: Josh Jones, offensive lineman, started eleven games of the Cardinals

482
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Speaker 4: last season.

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Speaker 1: He was moved to the Texans.

484
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Speaker 4: He's in the final year of his rookie deal, so

485
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Speaker 4: maybe a depth piece there for Houston and Arizona continues

486
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Speaker 4: to kind of just turn things over in real time.

487
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Speaker 3: That was weird.

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Speaker 5: He like pff Adam graded very highly last year and

489
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Speaker 5: yet they re signed a couple older tackles in Arizona,

490
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Speaker 5: those nice movers.

491
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Speaker 3: What's the it's hard to find tackles.

492
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Speaker 1: What's the value, Like, what did the Cardinals get back

493
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Speaker 1: in this.

494
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Speaker 5: Trade we have, it hasn't been reported. I'm guessing it's

495
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Speaker 5: not very a starting tackle. Well, they have two starting

496
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Speaker 5: tackles unless they move Titus Howard inside. He's coming off

497
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Speaker 5: of an injury, so right now Josh Jones is probably

498
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Speaker 5: replacing him, but he played well as a replacement tackle

499
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Speaker 5: last year.

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Speaker 1: You know who else is coming off injury?

501
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Speaker 4: Cooper Cup the All Pro wide receiver who won the

502
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Speaker 4: Triple Crown for wide receiver twenty twenty one when the

503
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 4: Rams won the Super Bowl. God, that feels like a

504
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 4: long time ago. He was back on the practice field

505
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Speaker 4: today Wednesday for the first time since suffering a hamstring

506
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Speaker 4: injury three weeks back, and apparently it looked very good.

507
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Speaker 1: Mark here is Matthew Stafford's quote. I thought Coop looked great.

508
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Speaker 4: Just happy to see him running around, smiling, having fun

509
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Speaker 4: playing ball again. And on the flip side of this,

510
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 4: the Broncos, who, man, they can't seem to catch a

511
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Speaker 4: break this summer. Their top wide receiver Jerry Judy, who

512
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Speaker 4: we've been waiting for him to go for a while now.

513
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Speaker 4: And this a lot with a lot of reasons to

514
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Speaker 4: believe a Sean Peyton there and Russell Wilson potentially rejuvenated

515
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,360
Speaker 4: this would be the year. Well he was carted off

516
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Speaker 4: the field on Wednesday with a right hamstring injury. Heard

517
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Speaker 4: it during eleven on eleven's against the Rams in a

518
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Speaker 4: joint practice. Peyton said after practice that Judy will undergo

519
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Speaker 4: an MRI and we are r August twenty fourth mark,

520
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 4: where about two weeks plus out from week one.

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Speaker 2: Not good timing, No, I mean you get what you

522
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Speaker 2: get these teams every year where it's like the injury

523
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Speaker 2: bug ravage is a position group and Tim Patrick out

524
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Speaker 2: with an achilles. Tim Patrick might have been their best

525
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 2: wide receiver. kJ Hammler waved non football illness heart conditioned

526
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Speaker 2: situation Jaalen Virgil had on season ending I are you're

527
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 2: leaning on Courtland Sutton and Marvin Nims at this point

528
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Speaker 2: to take you there, And it's like, this is such

529
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Speaker 2: a huge season for Russell Wilson and all of this

530
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:38,679
Speaker 2: happened essentially after Sean Payton flamed everyone on Earth with

531
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Speaker 2: his verbal comments, and it's like all I'm not seeing

532
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Speaker 2: is connected. It's just like now you're.

533
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Speaker 1: Gonna like it.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna be challenging. Although I don't know's I'm not

535
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Speaker 2: saying it's great.

536
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Speaker 3: You mentioned like a position girl destroyed.

537
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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's I don't know.

538
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 3: I don't know.

539
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Speaker 2: I don't understand what my momentum is anymore.

540
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Speaker 3: I mean, there's a momentum of this position group.

541
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Speaker 1: Happened.

542
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Speaker 3: This happens every year, right, the same players train going

543
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Speaker 3: off a mountains.

544
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Speaker 5: Unfortunately, the wide receiver group for the Broncos seems cursed.

545
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 5: And my son, who for some reason won't prepare for

546
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Speaker 5: the fantasy draft that he's doing next month.

547
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Speaker 3: I like that, but he had in there.

548
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Speaker 5: He does this other thing where he's doing like an

549
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Speaker 5: all NFL draft where he's pretending to start the franchises

550
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Speaker 5: over and like drafting players to different teams.

551
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Speaker 3: And he had Jerry Judy as a top twenty pick

552
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Speaker 3: in the.

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Speaker 5: Entire edite that and I was just saying, like, that's

554
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Speaker 5: too high for Judy.

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Speaker 3: He just is like I like Jerry Judy, so that

556
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Speaker 3: it was not a good pick.

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Speaker 5: I gotta say, if you're starting the NFL from scratch,

558
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Speaker 5: he's not one of your top twenty players in his reality.

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Speaker 2: In the Nferry Judy injured or is he hell before

560
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Speaker 2: this is harly.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 9: I don't think he's aware of his injury history. All right,

563
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Speaker 9: that's what's happening in the news. Will take a break

564
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Speaker 9: and then it's hot butt time. All right, welcome back.

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Speaker 4: It is time to talk about it. Every the data

566
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Speaker 4: backs it up. The data is the data.

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Speaker 1: You know.

568
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 4: We could be happy in smiles and pretend like this

569
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 4: isn't happening, but it's a results oriented business and head

570
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,199
Speaker 4: coaches will lose jobs. A couple of them lost them

571
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 4: in the middle of the season last year, right, we

572
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 4: had both Matt Ruhle and Nathaniel Hackett mid season.

573
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Speaker 3: Frank Raich.

574
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Speaker 4: Frank Reich Hackett was a first year coach, which is

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Speaker 4: almost unheard of.

576
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Speaker 1: It It's happened very few times.

577
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Speaker 5: It happened twice. In fact, he was the earliest that

578
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Speaker 5: any first year could.

579
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Speaker 2: It happened twice two years in a row in Houston, and.

580
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Speaker 3: This during the season.

581
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Speaker 2: That did inform one of the coaches are not as rare.

582
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Speaker 3: It's gonna fly around like a butterfly.

583
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 4: Some guys they find where they should be and then

584
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Speaker 4: they get that one promotion and then they got to

585
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,479
Speaker 4: come back down. That's Nate Hackett. Now, it did inform

586
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Speaker 4: me when I was putting together, and we all did this.

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Speaker 4: Of the thirty two coaches, four different tiers safe first agree,

588
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Speaker 4: butt burn, second degree butt.

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Speaker 1: Burn, third degree but burn.

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Speaker 4: Last year and in past years, I think I pretty

591
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Speaker 4: much put every head coach save for one last year,

592
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 4: for instance, all the rookies are safe. To me, I'm

593
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Speaker 4: thinking differently a little bit of year, guys. So let's

594
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 4: do it this way. I'm going to go down in

595
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Speaker 4: alphabetical order my list of safe quarterbacks. If you have

596
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Speaker 4: a guy that is not safe, raise your hint and

597
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 4: we're going to talk about that that player. Okay, So

598
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Speaker 4: let's here's the Zeusser's list of guys that coach head

599
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Speaker 4: coaches can I can.

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Speaker 3: I speak to because the odds speakers.

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Speaker 1: As much as you want. Oh, you mean like raise

602
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Speaker 1: your hand and say me me me.

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Speaker 3: Well, No, No, I just mean if I'm raising my hand, no,

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Speaker 3: one's good.

605
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Speaker 1: Well, because I will address you immediately. It's not like

606
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Speaker 1: Eric trying to use that left thumb to hit the

607
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: button diverge from Yeah, just give a heads up.

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Speaker 5: In terms of safety. I've never had more safe guys.

609
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Speaker 3: Than this.

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Speaker 1: I am with you.

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00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 4: It's beefy all right, here we go, and if you disagree,

612
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 4: raise your hand or yell me me me. Dan Campbell,

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Speaker 4: Pete Carroll, Brian Dable, John Harbaugh, Matt Lafleur, hawse In okay, Mike.

614
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: McDaniel, okay, thought about that one.

615
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 4: But Sean McDermott, Sean mcvayh Kevin O'Connell, Sean Payton, Shane Steichen,

616
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Speaker 4: Doug Peterson, Frank Reich, Andy Reid, Kyle Shanahan, Nick Siriani,

617
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Speaker 4: Zach Taylor, Mike Tomlin, Mike Rable.

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Speaker 1: Those are all my safe guys.

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Speaker 2: Every one of them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I had every one of them.

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Speaker 5: Shout out to Zach Taylor because I believe in this exercise.

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Speaker 5: A couple of years back, I had him as like

623
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Speaker 5: a second or third dar type of coach. So you

624
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 5: can get off that list. All you gotta do is

625
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 5: make the super Bowl and then the AFC Championship.

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00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 4: Is there anyone that I did not mention that is

627
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Speaker 4: on your safe list?

628
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 2: Did you mention Dimiko Ryans?

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Speaker 1: I did not.

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Speaker 2: So that's that's my thing, is Like I think like

631
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Speaker 2: that team could be they could struggle. I think he is.

632
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 2: He's on a safe list for me because I cannot

633
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 2: fathom a reality where the Texans fire a first year

634
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Speaker 2: coach three years in a row.

635
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: All right, let's move to first degree.

636
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Speaker 5: Okay, Yeah, I also had Ryans, and I feel strong

637
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 5: on that one too. I think they would give him.

638
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 5: He's as safe to me as a first year coach

639
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 5: almost could be. Because of that situation, and because I

640
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 5: think they're really putting a lot into who he is.

641
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 5: I think they love it. He could go one in sixteen,

642
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 5: and I think it'd be sick.

643
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 4: You know, everything you guys say I agree with, and

644
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 4: I think across the league people are very high on

645
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 4: Ryan's's chances here to be a good head coach.

646
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Speaker 1: This is organizationally.

647
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 4: If you fire a head coach, a rookie head coach

648
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 4: two years in a row, I just don't give you

649
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 4: the benefit of the doubt the people that are making decisions, Yeah,

650
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 4: to make the right one and give this guy the road,

651
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 4: because the first last two guys deserved more rope too.

652
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 3: Fair enough, but he's a very different hire. Both of

653
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 3: those hires felt like.

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Speaker 5: Guys that weren't going to be there that long on

655
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Speaker 5: day one, whereas Dimiko Ryans feels like they want him

656
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Speaker 5: to be agreed, but like you know, they're different. It's

657
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 5: different than hiring love Smith the third time.

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Speaker 2: I see what you mean. But like he has like

659
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Speaker 2: Texans ties, like I do honestly think he's going to

660
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Speaker 2: be a coach that, like we saw in San Francisco,

661
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 2: connects with the entire locker room. He's a new age

662
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 2: type of coach. And it's not about him for me. I

663
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 2: know you're it's fair to say you don't about trust

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Speaker 2: the Texans, but like they literally are in a psychotic

665
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 2: modive fire a third straight coach after one.

666
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,239
Speaker 1: I think it is kind of psychotic. They fired two

667
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: in a row.

668
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 2: That's why I'm like, we talked to Lovey Smith. He's

669
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 2: a good guy and everything, but like that always felt

670
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 2: like a placeholder higher and this just does not to me.

671
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 2: But we'll see, all.

672
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 3: Right, first degree first degree.

673
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 6: Here we go, oh oh ah, really when you're pushing back,

674
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 6: hey oh.

675
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 10: Ah ah?

676
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 3: So it does not painful, but gotta I mean this whole,

677
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 3: this whole like straw man thing at the beginning where

678
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, what's up?

679
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 5: We gotta respect, Like, uh, what coaches where you're pushing

680
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 5: back against people that you think are coming at bonies me,

681
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,479
Speaker 5: you're coming after me because like eight years ago on

682
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 5: this exercise, I neiged to like take issue with some

683
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 5: of the burn victim stuff.

684
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 2: How did you find like these are people? What did

685
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 2: you like a two minute long semi burn sound bite

686
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 2: like this?

687
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: Like that's home made, baby, Jason, Come on, go on, bro, you.

688
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 3: Gotta you gotta recommend.

689
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,239
Speaker 5: I was just so lost in the perform you've never

690
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 5: hung out with or you're just like I've hung That's exactly.

691
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 3: What he sounds.

692
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: First degree for me. Here we go. Raise your hand

693
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: if you disagree, or if there's someone that because I

694
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: have four names.

695
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 3: On here, I have five.

696
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: I got four, Bill Belichick, you have deeper the first deep?

697
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, okay. Jonathan Gannon, Yes, I have that.

698
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 5: Oh wow, I guess I had him safe. I just forgot,

699
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 5: like a lot of people that Jonathan Gannon uh is

700
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 5: a part of He was on my list.

701
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 3: He's on my safe list.

702
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 2: I like, I don't trust the Cardinals, but for the

703
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 2: same way you're coming up with the Texans. I think

704
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: things could go poorly enough where they aren't a reboot.

705
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 2: I like what they did to set up next to

706
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 2: your draft.

707
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 3: They're trying to get the one pick. Well, they can't

708
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 3: fire him for getting the one pick. I feel like,

709
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 3: I don't.

710
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: Know, Hey, they've fired a quarterback. They took him the

711
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: top ten.

712
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, and next year to take a quarterback in the

713
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 5: top ten want a draft him necessarily?

714
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: That feels chaotic there, So.

715
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 4: This too, I got. That's a little on my radar.

716
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 4: There's there's a little bit of is there is a

717
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 4: Hacket situation?

718
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: Maybe?

719
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 5: Okay, you guys have kind of convinced me into this.

720
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 5: The reason I didn't was because Monty asen for it.

721
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 5: The GM is also new, and you're right, I'm willing

722
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:11,879
Speaker 5: to put him into first degree.

723
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 3: I'm gonna move him.

724
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: You've convinced me.

725
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 4: Okay, I had to Meeke Oryan's you guys have him safe.

726
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 4: And then I have Brandon Staley first degree.

727
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 2: Wow, I have Staley somewhere else.

728
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: Okay, you got anybody else have first degree?

729
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:25,439
Speaker 5: Yeah?

730
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: I do.

731
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,919
Speaker 5: But we could talk Staley because I have him there.

732
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 5: I think even though the outside wants Staley to be

733
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 5: under a lot of pressure and on the hot seat,

734
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 5: I don't think inside that building the way the Chargers

735
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 5: run things that he is. He's had two winning records.

736
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 5: It's kind of, I mean overlooked a little bit. They've

737
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 5: they've they've won back to back years. He's on a

738
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 5: four or five year contract. I think they really like him,

739
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 5: and I also think to LESCo, their GM has been

740
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 5: there so long, it's all about like everyone keeping their

741
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,720
Speaker 5: jobs together. So to me, he's only first degree because

742
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 5: I think he could. He could have another year very

743
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 5: similar or even like a nine and eight type of

744
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 5: year and eight to nine and I think he would survive.

745
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 2: I think there have been some especially bad optics around

746
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 2: this daily experience. I think it's a good coach, but

747
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 2: it's like the way last year ended, some of the

748
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 2: fourth down stuff, which we all super agree with analytically,

749
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 2: but there are a lot of people out there that

750
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 2: don't agree with a lot of his decisions. And I

751
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 2: think it really matters that the Chargers have a different

752
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 2: type of ending to this season. It's been two bad

753
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 2: endings two years in a row. You've got justin Herbert,

754
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 2: your two new coordinators. You're always on thin ice. I

755
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 2: think when that's a situation that does work out, that's positive.

756
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: But I might second.

757
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 2: Agree, I got them in third whoa yep.

758
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 3: See to me, they're in an organization that's like happy

759
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 3: winning ten games a year.

760
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:45,399
Speaker 2: Wow, so that.

761
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 4: The games and I know, twenty seven nothing and all that.

762
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,720
Speaker 4: But yeah, this was a playoff team.

763
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 2: So maybe maybe I'd be willing to rethink it a

764
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 2: little bit. But just like part of me was like,

765
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 2: someone's got to be in third degree, and he's in

766
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 2: that category. But I think he's under a lot of pressure.

767
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 5: Interesting, Oh well, I've got a few other names in

768
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 5: first degree. Go ahead, four extra names, go ahead, I

769
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 5: haven't mentioned well number one. Was he on your safe list?

770
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 5: Or is he deeper?

771
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: Robert sala I have him the next tier?

772
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 2: Though, Wow, well I've slid first degree. Really you think

773
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 2: that they would like I feel if anything like hard

774
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 2: Knocks has done him a service, he's a little bit

775
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 2: Lit'll be too many models that I maybe I've forgotten if.

776
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: This season goes to hell.

777
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 2: But he's I don't feel like he's the problem, that's all.

778
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 4: But that doesn't necessarily mean again, it's not necessarily about

779
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 4: the coach.

780
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 3: Not predicting who's gonna get fired.

781
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 4: It's about the organization and how would Woody Johnson react

782
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 4: if this season instead of being eleven and six, is

783
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 4: six and eleven.

784
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Woody Johnson is a huge factor there.

785
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,919
Speaker 5: I think if sala, I think that's a fair point,

786
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 5: and maybe I should put him in second degree because

787
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 5: I think they believe in him. I think he is

788
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 5: a good coach. He showed that progress in terms of

789
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 5: the defensive side, that he's only first degree going into

790
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,919
Speaker 5: the year. But you're right, if they go eight to nine,

791
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 5: oh the odds are he's gone. So maybe that's a

792
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 5: second three. This is his third year.

793
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 4: If this is a and I mean, Woody Johnson just

794
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 4: showed up on Hard Knocks with a necklace, like a

795
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 4: two million dollar necklace, and well that was absurd with Woody,

796
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 4: and let's go jets on it. And you know they're

797
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 4: they're leaning into the hard Knocks and having the celebrities

798
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 4: come in and Aaron Rodgers is here and all this

799
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 4: and then Dalvin Cook this, this ownership is all the

800
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 4: way in on this season, and I just do not

801
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 4: know how they would react if this doesn't go the

802
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 4: way that I and Jetsman.

803
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 2: Would you see in that scenario, Joe Douglas hits the

804
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 2: road too.

805
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: I think he would be safer.

806
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 4: I think that the general thought with Douglas is that

807
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 4: other than a few high profile and misses, a couple

808
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 4: of high profile missus, Wilson being one of them. Obviously,

809
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 4: he's been very good for the organization and I would

810
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 4: think he would he would survive, but the coach would

811
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 4: go if the.

812
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 2: Thing is so Zach Wilson, obviously the miss you're referring to.

813
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 2: If the Aaron Rodgers experience turns into a flop or

814
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 2: a massive disaster, then I think Joe Douglas has he's

815
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 2: got problems because you're missing on quarterback after quarterback at

816
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 2: that point, right.

817
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 4: And I also we should say with Aaron Rodgers is

818
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 4: gonna have a major voice in this too if he

819
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 4: likes Robert Sala even if the season goes outwa Let's

820
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 4: say he pulls a calf and misses six weeks and

821
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 4: they go down the tubes like but if Rogers likes

822
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 4: Sally could protect him.

823
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: He has that much sway in that organization.

824
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 5: Maybe I'm just getting nicer as they get older, but

825
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 5: I just feel like they just like Robert Sallas so much.

826
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 3: That's why I only put him.

827
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 2: I get that feel too, but that's now, that's in August.

828
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 5: I put Eberflus in first degree, so I guess you

829
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 5: guys must have had him harder. A second year coach

830
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 5: with an ownership group that isn't known for making overly

831
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 5: quick changes, although they've had to at some points, and

832
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 5: so he set the bar so low that I actually

833
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,439
Speaker 5: think that sometimes helps the guy. If they win six

834
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 5: games this year, I think he's back. So I'm only

835
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 5: putting him first degree.

836
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 2: I have him deeper down. I think it's kind of

837
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 2: like Zach Taylor a couple of years ago. What is

838
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 2: it that you do that's special? And if you have

839
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 2: this massive rebuild going and there's a coach that becomes available,

840
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 2: that is a much sexier proposition. Mattybraflues, I think is

841
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 2: under pressure to prove to Bears fans and people like us,

842
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 2: like what difference do you make? I mean, we just

843
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 2: don't see it. Well, there's not a lot of idea

844
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 2: of who Maddy in the coach's photo. It's like he's

845
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 2: the one guy no one could figure out who he

846
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 2: was a part.

847
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, A lot of it is the organization for me,

848
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 5: this CE ownership CEO GM. I just I don't think

849
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 5: they're going to be wanting to restart the machine again

850
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 5: unless they had the number one overall pick.

851
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 2: Can I mention who else I have in this one?

852
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 2: I have Belichick in this one.

853
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll talk about it, and well, I just think.

854
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 2: That it's been never in this exercise would he have

855
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 2: been anywhere but safe. But it just feels like this

856
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 2: season is very important for Bill Belichick to not go

857
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 2: six and ten or wins or six and eleven or

858
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: win seven games and have the whole thing just not

859
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 2: look good. The owner has talked so pray with so

860
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 2: much praise about Jared Mayo. I just wonder if, like

861
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 2: whether it's Bill or whether it's Craft, that maybe things

862
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 2: hit divorce period. But he's only in first. I just

863
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 2: think there's more pressure on the Bill Belichick experience than

864
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: there's ever been before.

865
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: Well, the fact that all three of us have him

866
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: out of say for the first time this year. What

867
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 1: do you have him second?

868
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 5: I have him second, ye, Because I don't think there's

869
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 5: many guys where there's been public back and forth, for

870
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 5: lack of a better word, between ownership and coach, right

871
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 5: almost a gauntlet being thrown down, and even some very passive,

872
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 5: aggressive sniping between the coach and and yeah, I think

873
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 5: they would like have him like step Away or who

874
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 5: even knows. But if they have, like you said, I

875
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 5: kind of thought about it, like if these teams go

876
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 5: with let's say seven and ten, are they back or not?

877
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 3: Right they went seven and ten. I'm not sure.

878
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 5: That's why I put it second degree, not third, but

879
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 5: I think there's a good chance he's gone if they

880
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 5: go seven and ten.

881
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 2: The other guy I haven't in first degree is Arthur Smith.

882
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 1: Okay, hold that thought. Oh okay, you both have him.

883
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 4: Let me just say one more thing on Belichie that

884
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 4: the one thing that I pushed back on that is,

885
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,760
Speaker 4: let's say they go seven and ten. What rank them

886
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 4: in the AFC East right now? Does anybody have them

887
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 4: anywhere other than fourth?

888
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 5: Nobody seems Connor or I believe, might even have them

889
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 5: winning the division, which I you know, I love you conn.

890
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 3: So very Connor crazy. He's like langing the drum that

891
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 3: they're like.

892
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: Connor's takes are getting bigger as the agent.

893
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 3: I enjoy it, so they're like gonna make the AFC Championship.

894
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 5: There is a little Patriot fan inside of me that

895
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 5: could see it that that has some optimism, but that's

896
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 5: only because they do well on years where they're not a.

897
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: Lot of right.

898
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 4: But another I guess my point is there's like, yeah,

899
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 4: so much talent AFC's this year that yea to can Bell.

900
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 4: Now you could say the fact that they are the

901
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 4: team that has the least talent in this division. That's

902
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 4: against Belichick too. He's the de facto GM. I see that.

903
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 4: I think it would have to really, it would have

904
00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 4: to be a double digital loss season and more like and.

905
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 2: The relationship falling apart between That's it.

906
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 5: That's why I put him second degree because I feel

907
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 5: like there's a little Jerry Jones, Jimmy Johnson vibe, not

908
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 5: in the not in the just in terms of egos

909
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 5: and credit and craft wants to get into the Hall

910
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 5: of Fame.

911
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 3: And there's just like a lot, a lot of stuff.

912
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: All right, let's move to second degree.

913
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 2: One item. First, Yes, I I this is my list,

914
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 2: and so I had to create a category because this person,

915
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 2: to me just belongs in their own world. Okay, it's

916
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 2: zaddy degree. I think Mike McCarthy is just out there

917
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 2: in his own little place in between first and second

918
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 2: because I think second is a little hot for him

919
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 2: because I think.

920
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: It's going basically with your I know, I think he's.

921
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 2: Just created his own world, Zaddy degree, and he's just

922
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 2: he sits there and there's a lot here. The play caller,

923
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 2: now you moved on from the coordinator. Jerry Jones is impatient.

924
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 2: The Cowboys are always this cauldron of expectations, and Mike

925
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 2: McCarthy cannot go and lose another ugly playoff game, which

926
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 2: is why I believe.

927
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 8: Where nobody's underlog Zaddy stop it.

928
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: Second degree.

929
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 11: As bad, it's gonna blister, make this year more uncomfortable.

930
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 5: This is actually less uncomfortable than the old ones used

931
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 5: to be because it's somewhall, it's funny. Whatever we're paying him,

932
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 5: it's not enough. It's well well performed.

933
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 1: Second degree alphabetical order for me.

934
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 4: Dennis Allen of the Saints, Matt Eberflus, who we discussed

935
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 4: of the Bears, and my comment on eber Flues.

936
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: You guys have talked about him.

937
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 4: This will be his second full year with justin Fields.

938
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 4: They're obviously still very very much invested in Fields. If

939
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,479
Speaker 4: he plateaus or doesn't show growth, I could see them

940
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 4: being like, shoot, he's entering your four of his rookie

941
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 4: deal next year. If this isn't working, we don't feel good,

942
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 4: let's get him out of there. I'm not saying that's

943
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 4: what I think is gonna happen. I'm just saying, yeah,

944
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 4: when you look at like the outcomes potentially for the season, that's.

945
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 5: Why my scenario, like, you're right, it's a OC getting fired,

946
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 5: it's Luke Getz getting fired.

947
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 4: Okay, that makes sense too. I have Zaddy Mike McCarthy

948
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 4: here in second degree. You mentioned the reasons why Mark.

949
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 4: I just think they're reaching a stage maybe where he

950
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 4: needs to take that next step, and Jerry Jones is

951
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 4: not getting any younger.

952
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: I just think this is a big year for Dallas.

953
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,240
Speaker 3: I'm with you on second second.

954
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: I got Josh McDaniel's second degree.

955
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:33,439
Speaker 2: Hmm, I got him somewhere else.

956
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 1: Okay, hold that thought, uh mentioned.

957
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 2: Unless it's McDaniel, let's yeah, I create him on another.

958
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: Robert sala I had second degree. We talked about that,

959
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:43,919
Speaker 1: Arthur Smith.

960
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 4: Let's talk about Arthur Smith because I know everyone loves

961
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 4: Arthur Smith and the Falcons in this room. But for

962
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 4: the same reason, I have Robert sala in this tier.

963
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 4: You do not get a fourth year in the NFL

964
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 4: if you don't get to the playoffs in the first three.

965
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 4: And this is his third season and they have yet

966
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 4: to make the playoffs have a winning record.

967
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 2: I think click that was one where I looked at

968
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 2: the organization and Arthur blank patient. I think he's shown patients.

969
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 2: I think number one, you could say that where they

970
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 2: were two years ago identity free, mostly a disaster. They

971
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 2: have an identity. Now it's got to go translate on

972
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 2: the field. But this is Arthur Smith's identity. And it's

973
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 2: like I kind of like when a coach in the

974
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 2: course of two seasons can create a roster in a

975
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 2: type of offense which is his specialty that looks a

976
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 2: lot like what he was able to do in Tennessee,

977
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 2: and it's like, you're working well with the general manager.

978
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 2: It has to they can't go to have the same

979
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 2: record as last year, but he doesn't feel like it doesn't.

980
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 2: It feels like low drama in Atlanta. So I think

981
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 2: a lot would need to change over the next five

982
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 2: or six months.

983
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,399
Speaker 5: I think he took the job in a true rebuilding

984
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 5: situation and they knew it. They pressed like the explode

985
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 5: button in terms of their salary cap issues. They sort

986
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 5: of took a year or two off. They love them.

987
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 3: But you're right, Mark, I mean, Dan, it's it's extremely.

988
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 5: Rare to get a fourth year without a playoffs because

989
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 5: the guys it almost does that. Ron Rivera technically made

990
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 5: the playoffs as Commander's head coach, but he you know

991
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 5: he I don't think he has a winning record yet,

992
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 5: but it almost never happens. Happens once in a while.

993
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 5: I think Arthur Smith could be a rare case. Actually

994
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 5: he would get a fourth year, but you're right. He

995
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 5: probably has to win eight or nine games, and if

996
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 5: he went seven to ten using my own test, that's

997
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 5: fifty to fifty at best whether he gets a fourth

998
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 5: so second tier you've actually convinced me again, I think

999
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 5: I was too nice put him in first year.

1000
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 3: Second thear make sense.

1001
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:37,280
Speaker 4: When you bang the demolition button on your organization, you reboot,

1002
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 4: and that includes hiring a young head coach or whatever.

1003
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: I think it is two years.

1004
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,280
Speaker 4: That means that guy gets a two year grace period

1005
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 4: unless he's terrible in the eyes of the team, and

1006
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 4: then that third year it's go time. So that's a

1007
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 4: I think and there's very it's not a big time

1008
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 4: division that they're in. We like a lot of elements

1009
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 4: of their roster. There's a lot of reasons why put

1010
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 4: it this way. There's no excuses for them to be

1011
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 4: above five hundred team right year. And I think Arthur

1012
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 4: Blank would struggle with that if we're looking at the

1013
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 4: same seven eight win team for a third straight year

1014
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 4: with the same head coach.

1015
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, like anything, you know, if you project out,

1016
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 2: you know, four months and they've won six games, like,

1017
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 2: the feeling around the team is going to be completely

1018
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 2: different than it is right now.

1019
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 5: Right ownership and GM situation is such a big part

1020
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 5: of this. You mentioned McDaniels and Alan who to me

1021
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 5: are very different second year coaches. I had them both

1022
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 5: in this category as well, So I agree. McDaniels has

1023
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 5: a owner who's a little more capricious, a little more

1024
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 5: emotional like he you could see him getting booted out

1025
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 5: of there. I think if the vibes it's not just

1026
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,720
Speaker 5: win lost to it's like what's going on around the team?

1027
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 3: Does the quarterback situation look any better? I think they

1028
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 3: could go.

1029
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 5: Seven to ten and he could keep the job as

1030
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 5: long as it's not like drama filled, as long as

1031
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,280
Speaker 5: it's not embarrassing, as long as what he is supposed

1032
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 5: to be good at offense is on tap. But I

1033
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 5: think he's in a tough ownership situation, whereas Dennis Allen.

1034
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,919
Speaker 5: I feel like they're looking for a reason to keep

1035
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 5: Dennis Allen and and I have him second degree. I

1036
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 5: thought about first degree, like, I feel like the bar

1037
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 5: is very low for Dennis Allen because he had a

1038
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 5: terrible first year as a head coach. They underachieved, and

1039
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 5: it didn't seem like much buzz at all about him

1040
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 5: losing his job.

1041
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 2: I wait, so did you already list your second degrees?

1042
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 2: Do you have more?

1043
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: He did?

1044
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 2: I just okay, So I threw Ron River in here,

1045
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 2: although if I could revise that, I think he belongs

1046
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 2: in third. New ownership, all sorts of stuff going on there.

1047
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 2: Kevin Stefanski in second. You could argue for him being

1048
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 2: third two, but I think Stefanski is is a good

1049
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,280
Speaker 2: football coach, and like if I think if they succeed,

1050
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 2: he'd have to really be the reason that someone like

1051
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 2: Deshaun Watson fails. It has to be not Deshaun Watson.

1052
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 2: It has to be Stefanski.

1053
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 3: But to separate that, well, Deshaun Watson fails, Sefanski fails.

1054
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 2: Well, I would say that, like, first of all, he'd

1055
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 2: lose the power. There's obviously the power you know, situation

1056
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 2: with with Deshaun. But I think Stefanski last year with

1057
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 2: Jacoby Brissette proved that he's a very good offensive coach.

1058
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 2: So I he's just gonna lose the power battle to

1059
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 2: de Sewan. But I don't think it would be Stefansen's

1060
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 2: fault necessarily.

1061
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,320
Speaker 3: Wow, but that's not what we're debating.

1062
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 5: To me, as the hottest seed in the league, he's there,

1063
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 5: he's number really well, I think he's the most.

1064
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 2: I see, I go Josh McDaniels.

1065
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 3: I thought, really, so he's he's all right, you think he's.

1066
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 2: Hot, right McDaniels, like has lost portions of locker room already.

1067
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 4: Let's hold that then before So if you think he's

1068
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 4: the hottest, hold that for a second. I just want

1069
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 4: to circle back to the Raiders and you say that

1070
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 4: there's some capricious ownership there is that. I know his

1071
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 4: dad was, but I'm looking at like the the Mark

1072
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 4: Davis era. So Dennis Allen got two and a half years.

1073
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 4: Jack del Rio got three years, John Gruden got three

1074
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 4: and a half years before.

1075
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 5: They even just signing John Gruden into a ten year contract,

1076
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 5: Like that's just kind of crazy, you know, Like that

1077
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 5: that was I don't know if capricious is even the

1078
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 5: right word, but just like I think that was like

1079
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 5: surprising and unpredicted, and.

1080
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 2: Those those coaching tenures you mentioned line up with year.

1081
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 4: Right working what I know now it does because Gruden

1082
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 4: is a blackball from the league.

1083
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: But like or not really, but like the fact.

1084
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 3: That I think he might be on that Saint Steph,

1085
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 3: I really have a feeling.

1086
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 4: As I was saying, I was like, yeah, actually he's

1087
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 4: working with a team closely. But when the tenured it

1088
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 4: made sense. Yes, it was a lot of money, but

1089
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 4: he was a he was a kind of a Raiders hero,

1090
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 4: a previous generation and all that. Like I don't know,

1091
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 4: he just hasn't had one of those like one and

1092
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 4: done firings yet or two and done even so we'll see.

1093
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 5: I mean, that's why I put him in second degree.

1094
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 5: I agree with that Dan.

1095
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 4: Daniels has been He was so bad in Denver the

1096
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 4: way that ended, and if this there's no results here,

1097
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 4: you know who remembers him being bad in Denver. I

1098
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,399
Speaker 4: would think Mark Davis like it's like if we made

1099
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 4: a mistake here, we gotta we got to get out

1100
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 4: of this.

1101
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 5: They also like hired, you know, his handpicked GM, so

1102
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,240
Speaker 5: they'd have to probably get rid of the whole operation.

1103
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 5: You're right if Davante Adams like starts being upset and

1104
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 5: stuff like that, that's fair. But I actually think Davis

1105
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 5: is like, Okay, do it with your guys. You can

1106
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 5: get rid of Derek Carr. I don't think he ever

1107
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 5: loved Derek Carr anyways, but like this, he had to

1108
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 5: take a year to get rid of some guys he

1109
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 5: didn't want.

1110
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 2: They might be the third or fourth worst team in

1111
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 2: the AFC, and like, I don't think they're gonna win

1112
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 2: a lot of games. You've got players all over the place,

1113
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 2: like Josh Jacobs, what happened with Derek Carr year ago?

1114
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 2: DeVante Adams, that situation just feels slightly tnt ish.

1115
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: Certainly back to Zadi real quick. This is his fourth

1116
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: year with the Cowboys, six and ten in year one,

1117
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: twelve and five, year two, twelve and five, year three,

1118
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 1: pretty damn good, especially if they this end of the

1119
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: season's ended poorly, right, in an almost embarrassing fashion, of course,

1120
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: but there are not too many.

1121
00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 4: Look at the recent history of the Cowboys back to

1122
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 4: back twelve win seasons and he's that been the head

1123
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 4: coach of those.

1124
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 3: Well, there's none.

1125
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 5: They'd have to go back to when they won the

1126
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 5: Super the good old days that was that was basically

1127
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 5: their trademark, even under Jason Garrett, who was more successful.

1128
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 3: Is one one good year, one bad year.

1129
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: They would have to.

1130
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 4: Really I think maybe maybe I'm even now talking myself

1131
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:19,399
Speaker 4: him back down to one.

1132
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: Maybe you're exactly right, Mark, Like.

1133
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,839
Speaker 4: He's a really tough one, a bubble guy, because it's

1134
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 4: almost like the Cowboys have to go like five and

1135
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 4: twelve with no injuries wrecking their season for Jared to

1136
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 4: be like, oh, I don't like Michael cart Yeah.

1137
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 2: I think he's like a tough person to place easily

1138
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 2: in first or second for me, and like that's why

1139
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 2: I did what I did. But I also feel like

1140
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 2: if they don't make the NFC title game, there could

1141
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 2: be problems.

1142
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: It's like I don't know, like if they have another.

1143
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 3: He controls them and he's like the perfect Cowboys coach.

1144
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 4: Like well, we saw it there when we were at

1145
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 4: the camp, Like, he's so comfortable there. I think him

1146
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 4: and Jared obviously get along well both like longtime football

1147
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 4: guys think.

1148
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 2: But if they have another like ugly meltdown to exit

1149
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 2: the playoffs.

1150
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: If they were in the playoffs, I don't know, it

1151
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 1: would have to be.

1152
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 3: I think they'd have to have a losing record.

1153
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 5: If they had a losing record, all bets are off

1154
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 5: and that's why first or second works.

1155
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,320
Speaker 1: All right? Third degree?

1156
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 2: No, no, I mean he's still alive.

1157
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 3: Sounds like Kirk Cousins on The Quarterback Show getting off

1158
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 3: the field.

1159
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 2: I wish we had a video of some well recording this.

1160
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: That's a good call.

1161
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 5: Next year, I only had two guys. I withheld one

1162
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 5: of the names because I figured.

1163
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have two guys. Also, I have Todd Bowles

1164
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: and Ron Rivera.

1165
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 5: I have Todd, I have Ron Rivera and Kevin Stefanski.

1166
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 5: Stefanski would be my pick. And again it's not projecting

1167
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 5: how the team goes. But like if I had to

1168
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 5: say every team in the NFL starts zero to four,

1169
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 5: or like if you just pretend that I think he's

1170
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 5: the most likely to get fired, like at that point

1171
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 5: in the season or or whatever it is, one in seven,

1172
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 5: I think Rivera is close, and that's why they were

1173
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,280
Speaker 5: my two, the two hottest ones for me and Bulls.

1174
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,320
Speaker 5: You could talk me into I only put him second degree.

1175
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 5: But but Stefanski, to me, he's been there a long time.

1176
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 5: They've made their bed with Deshaun Watson, and I just

1177
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 5: think if it goes sideways, that Jim Schwartz is there also, Like,

1178
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 5: I just don't think there's any leeway.

1179
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 3: I think he's a playoffs so.

1180
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: You gotta get Jim Schwartz in there at the end. Coach.

1181
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm just saying his playoffs or bust to me

1182
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 5: for a team that on paper is third or fourth

1183
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 5: in that division, even if they're a very talented roster.

1184
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 2: I totally agree that he's in a tough spot. I

1185
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 2: think it's easy to just look at the ownership and say, oh,

1186
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 2: it's been a while since they've done something, you know,

1187
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 2: jaw doppingly insane. I do think they've changed a little bit.

1188
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 2: I just think that they've calmed down a little bit.

1189
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 2: They've got a good general manager. Like, but you're right,

1190
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 2: he's under a ton of pressure, and I think I

1191
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 2: don't like the situation because I don't think we know

1192
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 2: who Deshaun Watson is right.

1193
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:09,720
Speaker 5: Now, right, But it wouldn't be insane either. If Deshaun

1194
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 5: Watson plays poorly, this combo is not working.

1195
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 2: And that's basically but I mean, I hope job, I

1196
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 2: hope there could be some we don't you know. I

1197
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 2: don't want to go down the Watson conversation, but it's like,

1198
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 2: if he's not a good quarterback anymore, like he's a

1199
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 2: Russell Russell Wilson situation, then it's like it's I but

1200
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 2: in that case, the Nathaniel Hackett got shot out into

1201
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 2: the universe.

1202
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,280
Speaker 5: If it's that case, though, Jimmy Hasl was just looking

1203
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 5: for a coach that can prove him right, right, He's

1204
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 5: the one that wanted to right.

1205
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 4: I mean, you look at see I have him. I

1206
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 4: have him firmly. Stefanski and two second degree just because

1207
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 4: his first year is a major boom season for the organization.

1208
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 4: They win eleven games, they win a playoff game against Pittsburgh,

1209
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 4: and then the next year was a big disappointment. But

1210
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 4: I think time is kind of revealed like that. Some

1211
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 4: on Stefanski they tied themselves with the wrong horse and

1212
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 4: Baker and that kind of shipwrecked their season in a

1213
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:09,240
Speaker 4: lot of ways. And then they moved away from Baker

1214
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 4: and I don't care obviously Deshaun Watson.

1215
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: Last year.

1216
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 4: They punted on twenty twenty two for Watson in terms

1217
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 4: of the money and the deal looking ahead to this

1218
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 4: season and beyond, and you got to say the same

1219
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 4: thing for the whole team in a and it was

1220
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 4: a very strange time I would imagine to be a

1221
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 4: Cleveland football fan, because you knew once they signed that

1222
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 4: deal and they knew that suspension was going to be hardcore,

1223
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 4: and then Watson missing two years or whatever, there was

1224
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,959
Speaker 4: going to be potential growing pains as he re entered

1225
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 4: the lineup. Like I don't hold anything against Stefanski, I

1226
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 4: guess what I'm saying is, like I think Stefanski, it's

1227
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 4: unless there's some you know, capricious decision making that can

1228
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:54,280
Speaker 4: go on to Cleveland, which is certainly possible.

1229
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:55,720
Speaker 1: I think he gets kind.

1230
00:56:55,560 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 4: Of a fresh start here with DeShawn Watson, and I

1231
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 4: think he could get multiple years two years even if

1232
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 4: this season doesn't go beautifully, which is why you have

1233
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 4: him in second degree. I think there's a lot of

1234
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 4: pressure on him to make things go this year, but

1235
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 4: I don't think it's like I.

1236
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 5: Just think there's very specific. I think it's pretty much

1237
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 5: winner else. And I also think it's if Deshaun Watson

1238
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 5: is not a top twelve, fourteen quarterback you know in

1239
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 5: the NFL, then.

1240
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 3: You lose your job. That that that could be tough.

1241
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 3: We'll see.

1242
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: Where do you guys. I have Todd Bowles.

1243
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 2: I had him in second, but I like that that

1244
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 2: goes really poorly. Like Todd Bowles is in hot water.

1245
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 2: You still have arians there and stuff.

1246
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: So it's like, seriously, they really have I believe he's

1247
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: in the complex on a daily basis.

1248
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 4: I think I've hit on this four so I don't

1249
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 4: want to dwell on it. But I think this is

1250
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 4: a transition year for that organization after they sold out

1251
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 4: in the Brady years. I think they you see it

1252
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 4: in the way they're handling their quarterbacks this year with

1253
00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 4: Baker and Trask. I think unless they really surprise people,

1254
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 4: which I don't think they're going to, I think they're

1255
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 4: going to be a very middle of the road or

1256
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 4: worse team the season. That this is going to be

1257
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 4: a reset after the season and he will be swept

1258
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 4: out and he will be very hotly contested out there

1259
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 4: to be somebody's DC.

1260
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 1: But I think this could be the end of the

1261
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 1: road for Todd Bowles.

1262
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,439
Speaker 3: I'm gonna move him. I'm moving him into my third tier.

1263
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 3: I don't know why I'm so like eight people. I mean,

1264
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:27,439
Speaker 3: I don't like it, but I'm just.

1265
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 5: Thinking about it. He's right that Bowles underachieved a year ago.

1266
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:34,919
Speaker 5: I think that's probably the key part of it. Yes,

1267
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 5: they made the playoffs, but that they should have won

1268
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:38,919
Speaker 5: more games than they did.

1269
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: They were a mess.

1270
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 5: They were disappointing on both sides of the ball. And

1271
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 5: I think Bowles is a good defensive coach, but that's

1272
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 5: what it is. And he's one of the worst in

1273
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 5: game decision makers in the league. I mean that division

1274
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 5: is a disaster between him and Dennis Allen. I like

1275
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 5: Arthur Smith, fine, but it's like in right, but like

1276
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 5: those two guys in a game that they're low on

1277
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 5: my list of who I want like making any sort

1278
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 5: of like decision on the floor.

1279
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 2: I think it goes back to the fact that, like

1280
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 2: the Arians stepped away, Todd Bowles made sense to come

1281
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 2: in as like a like a. It's like someone that

1282
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 2: I think could they knew the organization, knew the players,

1283
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 2: they knew him, and it was a smooth transition. But

1284
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 2: did they really go pick Todd Bowles as their number

1285
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 2: one guy? I mean, is that how they see him

1286
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 2: as my number one?

1287
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 5: I think they were just trying to you know, arians

1288
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 5: had some sway and they were trying to keep it going.

1289
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 5: Jason light who I think has done a good job

1290
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 5: overall in terms of player personnel. They're all close. They

1291
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 5: won a Super Bowl together, and they wanted they they

1292
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 5: basically wanted to extend that. Uh that that entire era.

1293
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 5: I'm a little we all have Rivera here. That was

1294
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 5: the one one we agreed on, yeah or no, I

1295
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 5: had Rivera in second?

1296
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 3: Whoa because to me, he just because of the new ownership.

1297
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 5: It's I'm optimistic that they could be a surprise team,

1298
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 5: but they're gonna have to be that. You know, he

1299
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 5: can't using my seven and ten method. I think he's

1300
00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 5: gone with the seven and.

1301
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 1: Ten completely at the mercy of things that have nothing.

1302
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 2: Didn't you have something about Washington winning the division? Right?

1303
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 3: But we're not.

1304
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 5: I thought this exercise is not us what we think

1305
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 5: that's you know, I'm not looking at what I think

1306
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 5: I'm looking like, if this season is a disappointment, is

1307
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 5: he gone?

1308
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 3: He's right there? Maybe number one on they just.

1309
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 2: Whenever there's a new owner right here that But I

1310
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 2: also think Ron Rivera's has a special quality to seem

1311
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 2: to win these people over and stick around when I

1312
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 2: could have you can got rid of Ron Rivera two

1313
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 2: years ago, I wouldn't it.

1314
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 5: David Tepper got rid of him pretty quick. I mean

1315
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 5: he let him do one year and you got rid.

1316
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 4: Of I think that's what's happening here. I think Ron

1317
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 4: knows it too. He's a smart guy. He's been around forever.

1318
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 5: He's kind of said it actually out loud that he

1319
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 5: knows how much this year.

1320
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, so he's his He needs a bit of

1321
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 4: a a Hail Mary completion. And I think maybe maybe

1322
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 4: Sam Howe can play the guitar and and they hang

1323
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 4: around in that division and maybe that's enough. But you

1324
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 4: would think this ownership group, did you guys talk about

1325
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 4: the handshake?

1326
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 3: By the way, we did not know the handshake.

1327
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:02,439
Speaker 5: We spent about fifteen minutes on that game, and yet

1328
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 5: that was rough hit the him.

1329
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 2: I think The best part was Kroy Aikman kind of

1330
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 2: like had a little rise smile after he saw what happened.

1331
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 4: You know, oh my god, that guy is you know,

1332
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 4: he's dying to make a stamp on the organization. And

1333
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 4: I think that stamp next year is very likely to

1334
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 4: be new head coach, new quarterback.

1335
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, they win ten games, then he's then he's good.

1336
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 3: He's great.

1337
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 5: I just think, bless Yeah, and he's good because I

1338
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 5: think they they've even asked him, and Josh Harris has said, look,

1339
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 5: we're valued and everything. But you know, we've talked with Ron.

1340
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 5: He knows, he knows how important this year is. Like

1341
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 5: they've all they're all on the same page. They're all adults,

1342
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 5: which I like.

1343
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:40,919
Speaker 4: You know what's interesting this year and this is good

1344
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 4: because I talked about it last year. Nobody wants to

1345
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 4: be entering a season. This job is hard enough. Nobody

1346
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 4: wants to be Matt Ruhle Uh. Nobody wants to be

1347
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 4: Adam Gase. You never want to be the guy that

1348
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 4: it feels like you're a dead man walking and and

1349
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 4: then sure enough it almost always plays out that guy

1350
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 4: rarely even makes it through the season. I don't think

1351
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 4: we have that guy could like for me Bowls or

1352
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 4: of Era. Could they get let go during the season

1353
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 4: and things go terribly Sure, but don't. I don't see

1354
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 4: a coach out of the thirty two who feels truly

1355
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 4: doomed entering the season. And usually I feel like there's

1356
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 4: at least one.

1357
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 2: I'm with you, and I don't know if I've ever

1358
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 2: had so many in the safe category.

1359
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 3: Same I thought the same thing.

1360
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 5: It's a lot of because there's a lot of first

1361
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 5: year coaches, and there's a lot of coaches who have

1362
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 5: had nice recent rebounds, Like Pete Carroll was in my

1363
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 5: first or second tier a couple of years ago, and

1364
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 5: now like I was thinking, like he actually could survive.

1365
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 5: I think a bad year he would be fine.

1366
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:34,479
Speaker 1: Yep.

1367
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 3: There's a lot of coaches like that.

1368
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 5: Like I can't Rabel even though he's coming off a

1369
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 5: bad year, like he's earned it, Like it's good. Maybe

1370
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 5: we won't have as many firings this year, Dan, I

1371
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 5: think it could be a light year. I hope it

1372
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 5: could be like a light year is.

1373
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 4: I want to apologize to Eric and Randy behind the glass.

1374
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 4: I had them build out boards that we could show.

1375
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 4: But you guys have been changing all your tiers.

1376
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 2: So I haven't changed a single thing.

1377
01:02:58,240 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 1: Oh you haven't show him?

1378
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 3: It could show it doesn't matter, Greg up the boards.

1379
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 10: It makes more sense how you guys are doing it,

1380
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 10: like kind of go up coach by coach instead of yeah,

1381
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 10: cross refing reading.

1382
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, flash them up here. Let's for the YouTube audience,

1383
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 1: you know, like.

1384
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 5: The YouTube audience is growing, they're going to be joint

1385
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 5: plus audience. Forget about it.

1386
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 1: And you have uh, I want to make sure we

1387
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 1: hit this.

1388
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 4: You have Brandon Staley third degree Mark So, yep, that

1389
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 4: is that's pretty hardcore third degree.

1390
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 1: He isn't just as much danger as Todd Bowles and

1391
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 1: Ron Rivera.

1392
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 3: Interested we all.

1393
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 2: Have my world more than Todd Bowles Ron Rivera, So

1394
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe iways on it.

1395
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 5: He had McDaniels as his such mcder degree. So there's

1396
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 5: a lot of disagreement among us, which I think to

1397
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 5: Dan's point, there's no one that feels totally doomed. There's

1398
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 5: room for disagreement on almost all these guys.

1399
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, look at his bored great job behind the glass, Salah,

1400
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 1: Salah on the second tier, Danny, Hey, listen, this is

1401
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 1: boom Er Bust.

1402
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 4: There's never been a boomer bust team like this in

1403
01:03:58,640 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 4: memory for me as a fan.

1404
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 10: This this, uh, the Safe one was definitely one where

1405
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 10: I was like, this probably wouldn't play you had the

1406
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 10: Safe one.

1407
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 3: I give any names? Too many names?

1408
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 1: All right?

1409
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 2: WHOA that is an eye store? Not not because of

1410
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 2: you guys, just.

1411
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 1: You know that name you old copy diarrhea.

1412
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you want to, if you want to.

1413
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 10: I was trying to figure out how we could like

1414
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 10: digest this, and it's like, you guys send me twenty

1415
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 10: names on the safeboard.

1416
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 1: I'm crap.

1417
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 2: We could if you're listening to this on audio, don't

1418
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 2: check this out.

1419
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 5: Or we could turn it into a T shirt and

1420
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 5: I'll wear it, you know, like Sean mcvay's style.

1421
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 3: It'd be great.

1422
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 2: And now we should make T shirts out of this.

1423
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's sure, the Safe.

1424
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 2: Yes, I love it. Let's do it and just wear

1425
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:43,439
Speaker 2: it around.

1426
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:45,439
Speaker 1: We've been talking about Merge for a long time. Yeah,

1427
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 1: this is maybe this is it turn that key And now,

1428
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 1: just to cover my basis, I hope all thirty two survives.

1429
01:04:56,000 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 1: I hope they all. I hope they all go twelve.

1430
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 2: And yeah, but from that angle, you're telling us that

1431
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 2: there are so many other talented human beings that would

1432
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 2: not get this chance to do this job that you

1433
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 2: don't want, those people don't want.

1434
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 4: In my heart, I can't imagine these men losing their employment.

1435
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 4: So even if there is a butterfly effect that hurts

1436
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 4: other men, and you know what, Mark, women.

1437
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 2: Sure of course, I don't doubt that. But I don't

1438
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 2: luck to everyone. I don't buy a word of what

1439
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 2: you're saying. So I think I think.

1440
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 1: Neverybody all right.

1441
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 5: You think if they make more money than you, they

1442
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 5: just don't have feelings. You know that's not true. I

1443
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:43,160
Speaker 5: hate to break it to you, Dan uh common man

1444
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 5: ring M. You make we make a lot more than

1445
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 5: a lot of those assistants out there.

1446
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 1: How about that?

1447
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 3: How about that? What do you mean you don't know?

1448
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:55,439
Speaker 2: I know that for a fact.

1449
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 5: What are you saying you're not worried about?

1450
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, these assistants, they're they're out there.

1451
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 5: They're not all they're not all uh fat cats moving

1452
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 5: around every year.

1453
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 1: All right, Greg, you're right, you've done it again, Greg, Mark,

1454
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:19,920
Speaker 1: any final words before we say goodbye?

1455
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 2: No, I just really want that T shirt. I'm not

1456
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 2: kidding about that.

1457
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 3: It's a great job.

1458
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 1: Talk.

1459
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 2: Well, were his kids hearing this another room?

1460
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 3: That's definitely you gotta wait for them to be.

1461
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 1: Part of his UH contract agreement to be the voice

1462
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 1: of God is he had to leave his family. He

1463
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 1: lives in a bunker in Connecticut now where he just

1464
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 1: does sound drops for us period.

1465
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 2: That's why he moved. That's said, Yeah, I liked his family.

1466
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 2: I mean from what I knew of them.

1467
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 4: Let's you put it in the past tense and that

1468
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 4: was the look. I thought it was important that he

1469
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 4: focused on the UH and he said yes pretty.

1470
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 3: Quickly, tough sits for the family, Eat the cop.

1471
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 7: Im warm.

1472
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 1: A geez, geez, little little I think it's a little warm.

1473
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, God, gode oh geez.

1474
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 1: Ah, well right.

1475
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 6: A wow, Uh, I'm a little I'm a little concerned.

1476
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 1: Uh can uh just turn it turn it down a little?

1477
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 10: Ah?

1478
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it hurts. It physically hurts my butt,

1479
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:54,200
Speaker 1: Okay just a little bit. Yeah, it's definitely gonna be

1480
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:57,080
Speaker 1: a first degree burned, you son of a bitch.