1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: Beyond the Beauty is a production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:17,959 Speaker 1: I'm your host, Bobby Brown. I have been an entrepreneur 3 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: in businesswoman for a very long time. I have somehow 4 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: managed to do that while running my family and enjoying 5 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: my family. But when I look at someone like Chris 6 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: Jenner and I see what she has done, it is 7 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 1: so admirable because it's so epic. She has so many 8 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: kids and she also is a grandma to these gorgeous kids, 9 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: and she has somehow figured out how to combine it all, 10 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: and she always seems so unflappable. She is a combination 11 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 1: of grit and heart, and I think that's a very 12 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: amazing personality. Hey, Chris, so nice to see you. Bobby, 13 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: so used to see you too. I just want to 14 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: say how excited I am to talk to you. You 15 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: are my first guest on the new season. Oh thank you, 16 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 1: thank you for inviting me. That makes me happy. And 17 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: I just want everyone to know because people that have 18 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: listened to me and listened to all my different things, 19 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: like I don't usually get like giddy and excited, but 20 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: I seriously. I was introduced to Chris through a mutual 21 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: friend Richard Baker and Chris answered the text right away, 22 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: and you said to me, I'm really busy, but can 23 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: I call you Thursday? And I said sure, And I 24 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: just assumed I would have to call your assistant and 25 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 1: your publicist and you know whoever else, And you texted 26 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 1: me said, is this good? That's amazing? Chris, Oh, thank you. Well, 27 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: you know, I'm first of all such a big fan 28 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: of yours. I think, um, just you're who you are, 29 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: what you stand for, your an icon in the beauty business, 30 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: and somebody at UM. It just I've always looked up 31 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: to and I love your products over the years and 32 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: just everything that you've built UM in your career, and 33 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 1: it gives others inspiration and great um just great hope 34 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: that you know, when you have a passion or a 35 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: love for something, that you two can go out and 36 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: conquer the world. So thanks for inspiring so many of 37 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: us to do a little bit of what you've done 38 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: over the last few decades. Well, I mean, honestly, if 39 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: I had a mirror, i'd hold it up to you 40 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: to say back at you. But honestly, what what you 41 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: have done from you know, being a businesswoman to what 42 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 1: you've done with your children and creating these like legacy 43 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: brands is amazing. Have you always been entrepreneurial? Like were 44 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: you the kid that had a lemonade stand? I? Actually 45 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,399 Speaker 1: I was, I um I was. I figured it out 46 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: at a very young age because I knew what I 47 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 1: wanted and I couldn't always have it. I remember when 48 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: I was in grade school and my mom really wanted 49 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 1: me to go to this brownie camp, but she couldn't 50 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: always afford the thing, the extra things that I wanted 51 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: to do. So I went out and sold enough girl 52 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: Scout cookies. I you know, I kicked ass so close 53 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: Scout cookies to all my neighbors, and the same thing 54 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: happened was some I can't quite remember what it was, 55 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: but it was an event during the summer, and we 56 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: had to go out and raise enough money so that 57 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: I could go to this thing. And so we sold 58 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: candies another kind of candies door to door and I 59 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: and I nailed that because I think I was a 60 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: really good salesperson and I got to learn a lot 61 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: about uh just you know, those kind of skills growing 62 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: up and how to how to use them for a 63 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: really good cause. Were you also a good student or 64 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: was that not your forte. Um, I was. I was 65 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: a pretty good student. I was always a good girl. Um, 66 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: I didn't like math, so I didn't do well in 67 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: algebra and then I took it over in summer school 68 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 1: and got an A. So it just kind of showed 69 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: my mom that if I put my mind to something, 70 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: I could nail it. But I had I don't have 71 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: the most incredible attention span for periods of time, Like 72 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: I do things and then I move on to something else. 73 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: I'm a great multitasker. So clearly, clearly we started this 74 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: interview when you were talking to one of your daughters 75 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: live Who's Who's you know? Because something wasn't on And 76 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: I can only imagine what goes in your brain and 77 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 1: all these different businesses. So I mean, when did you 78 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 1: get the idea for the Kardashians for the show? Well, 79 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: early early on, when I started having kids. Um, one 80 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: of my best friends and Kendall and Kylie's godmother is 81 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: Kathie Lee Gifford and Kathy Lee for years, I've known 82 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 1: her for forty five years and for years she would 83 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: say to me, you know your this life you live 84 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: is so insane. You've had so many lives, You're like 85 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: a cat with nine lives, and it's just the most 86 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: Nobody wouldn't believe what goes on in a day around here. 87 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: She would always say to me, you really should have 88 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: a show, and I would say, oh, you know, go on. 89 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: You know, we're just crazy and and love living life 90 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: and I love my kids. And so I met a 91 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: girl named Dina Katz who's casting director on Dancing with 92 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: the Stars, and I met her through a mutual friend 93 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: and long story short, she came over for dinner one 94 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: night and saw the drama and she goes, I've got 95 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: to talk to Ryan Seacrest. I need to set you 96 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: up with a meeting. So I met with Ryan, he 97 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: pitched it to the network and the rest is history. 98 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: And and and you have one more year we do. 99 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: We're on filming our last season right now, which will 100 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: air in So yeah, we've could. It will have completed 101 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: twenty seasons almost fifteen years later. That's amazing. When did 102 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: you figure out that your girls could all have these 103 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: incredible beauty brands? Well, you know, I think the thing 104 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: about finding your way and developing a career really starts 105 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: with what you want to do with your life and 106 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: your passion and I'm sure you know that more than anybody. 107 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 1: And I think when we started the show, and I 108 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: say this all the time, there was barely Twitter. There 109 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: was no Instagram, there was no Snapchat, there wasn't all 110 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: these social media platforms and um, but we recognized fairly quickly. 111 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 1: Kim did actually that she had a real relation and 112 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: ship with her social media followers and the viewers on 113 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: the show and just the whole thing. There was so 114 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: many of us that there was somebody that, you know, 115 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: someone could relate to. And as the girls saw the 116 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: power of their you know, social media increase in the 117 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: show was doing so well and you know, almost two countries, 118 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: and it was quite remarkable how we started out. I 119 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: think the girls realized that they really resonated with so 120 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: many people, and so it was time to start doing 121 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: things that would be lifelong lasting. And we started, you know, 122 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: I started by throwing some spaghetti at the wall because 123 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: I wasn't in the beauty business surely, and I loved 124 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: beauty and it was a passion of mine and fashion 125 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: and all these fabulous things that the girls wanted to 126 00:07:55,960 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: get into. So we all had a real love for 127 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: everything we're doing now. And it was just figuring out 128 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: how to get there and navigating the world as it 129 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: was at the time, and then we got that enormous 130 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: boost from social media along the way, and then Kendall 131 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: and highly grew up and helped us figure that out. 132 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: And it was just like the perfect storm. We got 133 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: very lucky, and we're every single day we say how 134 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: blessed we are to be in this position, so grateful 135 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: for every single uh thing that's happened, every mistake, every 136 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: wrong turn that leads us back to something that we've learned. 137 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: And then you know, we go on and have have 138 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: some more fun. But it's been a really great time, 139 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: a great chapter. And you know, resilience is everything. It's 140 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,719 Speaker 1: it's why I still keep doing what I'm doing. It's 141 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: why I'm still curious. And I think a lot of 142 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: people when something doesn't go well, they look at it 143 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: as a failure. And what you're saying is something that 144 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: could help everyone out there that's listening to say, you 145 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: know what, that didn't work. I just got laid off 146 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,439 Speaker 1: from my job. Now what So you are really a 147 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: role model when it comes to that, Well, I think 148 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: thank you. I think everybody has to have a plan. 149 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: B I mean, I when I started doing the show, 150 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: I was so happy to be doing something that not 151 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: only was so much fun and being with my family, 152 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: but I had um you know, I made some money 153 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: and was able to pay bills and do extra things. 154 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: And you know, it's really exciting when you have success, 155 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:45,599 Speaker 1: but to have success that you truly, truly love and 156 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: and then have it all feel very stable. But then 157 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: sometimes things go really wrong. You know, you start things 158 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: that you think are a really great idea and they 159 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: might not go the way that you thought. And I 160 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: consider now every one of those things to be such 161 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: a great lesson because you know what not to do 162 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: the next time, or you learn what to do a 163 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 1: little bit differently. And um, I've had so many different 164 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: experiences with people that have done the same thing. And 165 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 1: I think that if you don't fail from time to time, 166 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: you know, it's that just would be so unnatural. It's 167 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: just it's it's a life you know, a life thing, 168 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: and it's a life lesson when you when as long 169 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: as you learn something from it. You know, if you're 170 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: the type of person that just keeps making mistakes and 171 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: has a big ego and doesn't you know, isn't it 172 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 1: doesn't have an open heart to learning about, you know, 173 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: how to better their life, or you know, maybe they're 174 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: going in the wrong direction. But I talk about having 175 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: a plan be a lot, and I talk about being 176 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: able to pivot, you know, going from I am really 177 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: great at adapting to a different situation really quickly, because 178 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: I'm I'm a I think I'm a problem solver. Some 179 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: days I'm forced to do that all day long, you know, like, 180 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, we have you know, we have to 181 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: fix this, or we have to I'm like a fireman, 182 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: you know, at all times. So I think people I'd 183 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: like to give people and those around me great encouragement 184 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: when somebody starts something new. I love to support my 185 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: friends and and our family and extended family and and 186 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: small business owners that write to us and ask us 187 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: for advice. And you know, it's really great to be 188 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: encouraged because everybody wants to feel like they're on the 189 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: right track. And unfortunately, UM, a lot of these mistakes 190 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: you've made and shifts are the second they happen their 191 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: page six, their front page news. How do you deal 192 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,319 Speaker 1: with you know, you don't even have time to process 193 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: what's going on, and all of a sudden it's all over. 194 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: Are you numb when you see things in the press, 195 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: good and bad? You know? I learned a lot again 196 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,439 Speaker 1: from the girls and from Kim, and when we started 197 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: the show, one of the things I said was, you know, 198 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: there's a lot of um, you know, interesting things people 199 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 1: say on the internet, and don't read all the stuff. 200 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: Stay off the computer, stay away from the tabloids, because 201 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 1: back in the day when we started, the tabloids were wild. 202 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: I mean, the headlines would be I just I can't 203 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: even I think I've blocked it out. But it was 204 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: very hurtful in the beginning. And then Kim was like, Mom, 205 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: why do you even look. You're the one who said 206 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 1: not to look, And I said, well, it's part of 207 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: my job to look, because I'm supposed to be the 208 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: manager and keeping it all together. But she really taught 209 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: me that you just have to let it roll off 210 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: your back because there's always going to be somebody that 211 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: says something really horrible and of the time it's completely 212 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: false and made up, and you just wonder, you know, 213 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: I always and fascinated. One one little story I'll share 214 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,839 Speaker 1: is when we first started our show season one, I 215 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: was working its Smooch our children's clothing store with Courtney, 216 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: and I remember getting an email from somebody wondering how 217 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: they got my email address, and at the time, it 218 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: wasn't that hard, so I was the dummy. But they 219 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: emailed me and sent me the most horrific email about 220 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: what a bad mother I was and how could I 221 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:31,439 Speaker 1: put my kids on this show or you know whatever 222 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: it was. And I read it several times. It really 223 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: hurt my feelings, and I just wrote back and I said, gee, 224 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 1: I'm really sorry to feel that way. I'm really just 225 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: trying to do the best I can here, just trying 226 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: to be a good mom and giving my kids opportunity, 227 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: and we're having a ball and I wish you the best, 228 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: and I wish you didn't feel that way, but I'm 229 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: just doing my best. By the time the email exchange 230 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: was over, she asked me if she could be my assistant. 231 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 1: Oh my god, taught me a great lesson. I mean 232 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: I didn't obviously I didn't hire her. I didn't. I 233 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: don't even remember where she lived, but um, she was 234 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: lovely at the end. And I think there's so many 235 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 1: people out there that just craved the attention and want 236 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: to feel like they've engaged with somebody of some certain 237 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: celebrity or whatever you want to call it. And I 238 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: feel like there's also a lot of really angry, unhappy, 239 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: miserable people out there that you know, don't know what 240 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: to do with themselves, and so they project a lot 241 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: of hate because they're so unhappy. And once you realize that, 242 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: and right now, it's a terrible time for the world 243 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: and so much um so many people are unsure about 244 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: their future, their jobs and and where their next mortgage 245 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: payment is going to come from, or rent or food, 246 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: and so there are a lot of people out there 247 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: right now that are really struggling, and I feel horrible 248 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: about that. But all through the years, you know, you 249 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: experience different things, and for us as a family, you know, 250 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: we try to focus on places where we can help 251 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: in times like this, and that makes us, you know, 252 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: feel good about being able to help somebody. Yea as 253 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: a beauty founder and and I was still at Bobby 254 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: Brown Cosmetics when Kylie's Lip Kits came out and you 255 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: sold out within fifteen minutes? Like, what did you do? 256 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: And how did that feel? Yeah, I think it was 257 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: less than four minutes, to be honest, yeah, it was 258 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: crazy for seconds. I don't know, it was just done. 259 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: My gosh, I should have that memorized. But um, you know, 260 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: when we started the brand, highly knew exactly what she wanted. 261 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: She was the one who came to me and said, Okay, 262 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: I figured this out. Mom. I want to be in 263 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: the beauty business. I am obsessed with makeup and skincare 264 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: and beauty and hair and all of it. Fragrance. I 265 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: want to be in the business, and I want to 266 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: start out with UM Color Cosmetics and I want to 267 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: do a lip kit. And I thought, okay. It was 268 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: just such a revelation. I mean, she just came like 269 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: she was, you know, a CEO, and came and said, 270 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: this is the plan. And I said, well, I'll tell 271 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: you the plan. If you want to do this, you 272 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: start out with three colors. We'll see if it works. 273 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: And they better be colors you love, because it's either 274 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: going to go really well and you know sell, or 275 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: you're gonna be wearing this lipstick your life. And she 276 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: designed the box. She had done a photo shoot previously 277 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: UM with Mike Rosenthal Um who's Jen atkins husband, a photographer, 278 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: and had done the Dripping Lips and um, he had 279 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: made this image for her, so I said, use that image. 280 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 1: It's already done, and we'll get somebody to develop the 281 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 1: developed the lip kit. And that's how it started. And 282 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,360 Speaker 1: I told her, you have to use your own money 283 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: and you will own this all by yourself. You don't 284 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: want five cents from your mommy. You just want to 285 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: do this. And she did. And she just was so 286 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 1: impressive her work ethic and her creativity and her focus 287 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: on design and quality of the product, and all the 288 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: little things that you would think, uh, somebody else would 289 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: have done. She did every bit of it. It was 290 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: just amazing. And it's grown so quickly, and you sold 291 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: it this year she sold uh, approximately half of her 292 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: company to Cody. Yes, so she still owns half and 293 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:01,439 Speaker 1: she has involved as ever. Is she Yes, she is. 294 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 1: She's working on skin right now wholeheartedly and so excited 295 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 1: about the holiday and has a big surprise for everybody 296 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: in color for for the holidays. So I'm so excited 297 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:19,199 Speaker 1: about that. I'm especially obsessed with what she's doing, so 298 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 1: that'll be a great surprise. But yeah, she works on 299 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: it every day and she's always got a great idea. 300 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 1: I got a call yesterday, UM from she was shooting 301 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: something and I guess in the middle of the shoot 302 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: she had an idea and she goes, I want my 303 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 1: mom to come to the YouTube studio with the office 304 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: and I wanted to do my makeup. So it was 305 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: really cute. I'm like, oh boy, why don't we do 306 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 1: it the other way around? So you know, she's always 307 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: thinking of something fun for us to do together, and 308 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: and she's great. And then and then Kim, how do 309 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: you keep it separate? Or how do the girls keep 310 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: it separate? You know, because they're competing companies and they're 311 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: they're different, right, They're well, they're very different. Um. I 312 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: think they're also very different in age. UM. You know, 313 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 1: Kim's gonna be forty this year, believe it or not, 314 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: and Kylie just turned twenty three. So you know, there's 315 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:21,640 Speaker 1: a nice gap there that really UM Kim's keeps her 316 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:26,199 Speaker 1: UM you know, her line very different from Kylie, but 317 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,719 Speaker 1: they have very different tastes and they're almost you know, 318 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: like a different generation. So that makes it nice. It's 319 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 1: not like it, you know, it was too close an 320 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: age so and there UM focused on such different things 321 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 1: and the packaging is just incredibly exactly the opposite, you know, 322 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 1: the one eighty of one another. So I feel like 323 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: at first it was a little um interesting because of 324 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: the launches that they were having, you know, I think 325 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: that it was important to kind of schedule things and 326 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: stagger and cre it at cadence within the two companies 327 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 1: to where they were each having their time to breathe 328 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: when they would come out with a new product. And 329 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: they really handled that beautifully. So I was really proud 330 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 1: of them for that. And the two of them have 331 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: such incredible work ethic. I mean, they all do, but 332 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: especially in the beauty business. You know, as you know 333 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 1: better than anybody, it changes daily, you know, and you 334 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 1: just beauty doesn't sleep. So do you have a master 335 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,199 Speaker 1: calendar that has all the big launches so you know, 336 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: no one steals the internet from the other one, they 337 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: all their time. I have a lot of master calendars, 338 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: But that's my yeah, that's my uh my, My main 339 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: one is just all the different things that are going 340 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:47,479 Speaker 1: on because there's so many of us that surely daily 341 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 1: you know, there's something that's launching, or somebody's doing something 342 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 1: you know, on on a podcast like this or maybe 343 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: a TV show, et cetera. So yeah, we just um 344 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: try to be super respectful of each other in that 345 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: regard and make sure that, um, we support each other. 346 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: I think that's what's so great is if the girls 347 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: spread their things out so that they can support each 348 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: other because they really want to. So when one of 349 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: them has something that's going on, the others can can 350 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 1: post for them and and really get the message out 351 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: on social And they work, they help each other. They 352 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: work together all the time. They do all the time. Yeah, 353 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: and it's a it's a huge we have such a 354 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: big family text change. So this morning, just right before 355 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: I got on this podcast, Um, you know, Kendall's team 356 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: was texting all of us saying, Kendall is about to 357 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: go a lot. You know, if there's always an announcement, 358 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 1: there's always great excitement. I think Chloe's the biggest cheerleader, 359 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: Like no matter what you say, Chloe's like, oh my god, 360 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: congratulations and luck and you know, Chloe's like, if you're 361 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 1: ever down for a minute or two, just called Chloe 362 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: and she gets you right back on your feet. But 363 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: how do you keep it straight? Like how do you 364 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 1: do as much as you do? Because you always seem 365 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: to have it together do have twelve assistants are to 366 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: get up at five in the morning, like, what are 367 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: some of the things you do to keep yourself together? Well, um, 368 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: this morning I got up at four actually because I 369 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: had a lot to take care of. I had to 370 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 1: start with calls on the East Coast, a couple in Europe. 371 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: Then I have to go over with uh our business 372 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 1: strategists from New York a few things, and then my publicist. 373 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: You know, there's just a list of tons of things 374 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: to go over, and then checking in with our general 375 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 1: counsel and what's happening with different contracts and deals that 376 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,439 Speaker 1: we're working on and where we're at, who needs an 377 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 1: answer to what? And then from there it goes into um, 378 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: you know, one of the first being as I get 379 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 1: about seven o'clock, I guess is my assistant Matthew will 380 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: send me the day schedule and any changes from the 381 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 1: night before, and you know, just see what I need. 382 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: And then almost every day we film, so it's getting 383 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: wardrobe together for that, which I've just been kind of 384 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: grabbing lately because there's there's so much to to keep 385 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: up with, and so I grabbed that throw out my 386 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 1: car and then I'm on the road for a while, 387 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: or going over to one of my kids house to 388 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: film for a while and back here for more calls. 389 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: It just never hints, which I think. I love the uh, 390 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 1: the adrenaline of it all. You know, it's very exciting. 391 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: I keep thinking of four am. What time did you 392 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,640 Speaker 1: go to sleep? I think I go to bed every night. 393 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 1: I fall asleep probably at ten. I probably go to 394 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: bed at seven or eight sometimes because I'm just exhausted 395 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: when you get up that early and you're going hard 396 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: and your brain is working and your physical and you're 397 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: running around. I do my first hour and a half 398 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: every morning in the gym or on the treadmill. So 399 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,439 Speaker 1: this morning, at four, when I was rolling all my calls, 400 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,679 Speaker 1: I'm on the treadmill. So I got four miles in 401 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: or five miles in before I took a shower. And 402 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 1: what about coffee? Oh, the coffee. Coffee was at four 403 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 1: oh one. Okay, that's okay, two cups of coffee and 404 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: then um, I've never done this before, but lately I've 405 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 1: been having like a three o'clock coffee in the afternoon. 406 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: Are you someone that likes a nightly cocktail? Do you 407 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 1: save that for special I love a nightly cocktail. I 408 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 1: love to have a glass of wine or mostly of 409 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: vodka soda. So I'll have a vodka soda with some lime, 410 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: and that just kind of like winds me down because 411 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: I can get really wound up for the day and 412 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, it's five o'clock, let's have our you know, 413 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: have a drink. I love my vodka on the rocks 414 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: with um. If i'm during the week, I'll have cucumber 415 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 1: in my vodka and make it a spa vodka. Weekends, 416 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: I'll have three olives a spa vodka. But is the 417 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: three all of vodka martini or do you know? I 418 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: just I do it on the rocks because then it 419 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: takes me, like, you know, I don't drink it so quickly, 420 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: so I try to have one very good idea. Yeah, 421 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: I let the ice melt and I try to have one. 422 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: But um, but the cucumber is very refreshing and it, 423 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: you know, and it adds water to your body, which 424 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 1: is nice. Oh water. Okay. Do you know Vera whang 425 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: I do? She loves her and I would go to Mr. 426 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,679 Speaker 1: Chow's when she would come to l A and she 427 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: would order a vodka rocks and then a side of 428 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: orange juice. And I used to love it going to 429 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: dinner with her Mr Chaws because we would sit and 430 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 1: sip our vodka orange juice. But it was out of 431 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: vodka orange juice. There were two separate ones. Yeah, and 432 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 1: I guess we just added a little every time we 433 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: needed some more, you know, so we could mix the 434 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: drink ourselves. It was fun. And when can we expect 435 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 1: the Chris uh line of cosmetics that I think would 436 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: be such a hit, you're so cute. Well, I had 437 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: a collab with Kylie that I loved doing, called Momager, 438 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: and um, she surprised me with it. Actually, it was 439 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,360 Speaker 1: really really sweet. I came to a design meeting one 440 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 1: day and the team put it all out. It was 441 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: all out on the table and I walked into the 442 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 1: office and I made me cry. I mean, it was 443 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: the sweetest thing. So she had done every single product 444 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: that was in the collab, the lip kid and the 445 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: eyeshadow palette and just the whole all of it. And um, 446 00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,679 Speaker 1: and she had the cutest names all you know, picked 447 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: out and we refined some of those later, but um, 448 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: it was one of the sweetest things ever. And it 449 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 1: did really well, so you never know, I really enjoyed 450 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: that time and that was a moment and I'll never 451 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: forget that she did that. It would be fun to 452 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:20,640 Speaker 1: do something in beauty. I love skincare and I love 453 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: I love all of it. And didn't you trademark momager? 454 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: I did, So there's the line. I don't know that's 455 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 1: what I would call the the the actual line, but um, 456 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: it would be fun to do something. This podcast is 457 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,360 Speaker 1: called Beyond the Beauty, so I'd love to ask you 458 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:55,880 Speaker 1: what does beauty mean to you? You know, beauty used 459 00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: to me when I was younger, beauty meant more about 460 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 1: the physical, and as you get older, you realize that 461 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: beauty is really more about what's inside and then how 462 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: how that transcends to the outside. You know, I think 463 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: it's how somebody feels about themselves. And I've always been 464 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: somebody I learned from my mother. But whenever she left 465 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: the house every day, she would put her best foot forward. 466 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: She would look her bad, she would have the cutest 467 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 1: little outfit on. She'd always have her makeup on and 468 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 1: her hair really cute. And to this day she's eighty 469 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: six years old and she puts her hair beautiful, and 470 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: she'll wear a little hat and put her outfit on 471 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: and puts her makeup and her lipstick. I learned a 472 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: lot from my mom that when you do look your best, 473 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: you feel your best, and you know you can really 474 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: um uh change your whole day and your whole outlook. 475 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: But I truly I think for me personally, I love 476 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: to look my best because it does make me feel better. 477 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: But I love to feel my best inside. And I 478 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: think there's a certain amount of stress that weighs on 479 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: a woman that's not so healthy, you know, when we 480 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: get into a certain space in life, and I think 481 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: just to feel more of a joy and a data 482 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: vie and a happiness and a peace. I work on 483 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: that these days, really trying to find this inner place 484 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: that feels beautiful. Well, what are just then? What are 485 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: some of your favorite skin care products and makeup products? 486 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: What are you into these days? Well, um, I'm totally 487 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: you know, obviously Kylie Kylie Cosmetics and Kylie Skin and 488 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: her new hyaluronic acid is my new best friend. And 489 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: then I'm obsessed with Kim's body makeup. Kim's body makeup 490 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: makes you look like you have like you know, gorgeous 491 00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 1: legs and arms and you know everything with this bar makeup. 492 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: So that's that's my obsession. But I'm always been obsessed 493 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: with your beauty line. I really it's not my beauty 494 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: line anymore, but I'm glad you liked it all back 495 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: in the day, back and all Bobby Brown. And then 496 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: I love um Lamar skin cream. I love their skin 497 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: care line. Love that. I love um I love you 498 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: know what I love. I love Anastasia. I love I 499 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: can't go without her eyebrows, you know, the eyebrow pencils 500 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: that she's I mean, she's a genius. And she's been 501 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: so kind and generous to my family and helping us 502 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: navigate some important decisions that we've made along the way, 503 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: and she's just been such a good friend. But she 504 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: has got the most fabulous makeup line. Yeah, she's a 505 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 1: wonderful lady. She really is. And then what about your 506 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: health and wellness? What do you do on the inside, Like, 507 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: what what is food? Vitamins? What do you do that 508 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: keeps you so focused and feeling good? Well? I take 509 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: a vitamin. Finally, I wasn't doing that as much, but 510 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: I eat a lot of salads and I think that 511 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: when you eat vegetables. I love fresh vegetables and you know, 512 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: clean food. I'm the first one displurge on something or 513 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 1: have birthday cake out of friends if it's somebody's birthday. 514 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: But I try to keep the sugar out of the 515 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,479 Speaker 1: picture because I've watched way too many sugar documentaries and 516 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: the damage that that does to our insides. Um. But 517 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: I'm just trying, like everybody else to figure it out. 518 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 1: The diet thing I think is crucial to our health, 519 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: especially as we get older, and nutrition and just you know, um, 520 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,959 Speaker 1: being really clean from the inside out. And it's amazing 521 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: how we have tortured our bodies over the years. You know. Um, 522 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: when I think back to some of this stuff I 523 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 1: fed my kids when they were babies, you know, it 524 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: was always mac and cheese and you know, apple sauce 525 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So I've really tried to um 526 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: eat let's uh meats and just trying to adapt a 527 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: better lifestyle and focus on my nutrition. Well, Chris, it's 528 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 1: been amazing, and I feel so guilty taking up your time, 529 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: knowing what else you have in your day. I can't 530 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: even I can't even imagine when one last question though, 531 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: because I'm just curious. No, it's fine. When you guys 532 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 1: get together as a family at night, how do you 533 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: shut the business part off and just have family time? 534 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: Like yeah, um, well, actually we're gonna have a barbecue 535 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: today at four thirty and everybody will go over to 536 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: Courtney's house and we have the best time. You know 537 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: what it is, it's having ten grandchildren. And when you 538 00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: have ten beautiful children who all are different have something 539 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 1: different going on. There's three or four of them that 540 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: are practically triplets or quadruplets because they do everything together. 541 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: My kids call them the triplets. And then my grandson Mason, 542 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: who's ten, and there's just so much going on, you know, 543 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: and there's such little sponges and they have so much 544 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: to say and it's so delicious, and it's just I 545 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: get so excited, and I have a different relationship with 546 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: each one of them, so it's really fun to I'll 547 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 1: get together and that takes up all my time, so 548 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 1: there's really no more time for business. It's like, Okay, 549 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: let's all turn it off and play with the kids. 550 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 1: Well that's really what life's about. And you are a 551 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 1: lucky lady. I hope that this virus will go somewhere 552 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: and eventually I could actually meet you in person. I'm 553 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: looking forward to it. I can't wait, Bobby, thank you 554 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: so much. I really look forward to meeting you two 555 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: and spending some time together. Same here, big kiss and 556 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: I'll be looking fear line. Let me know when you're ready, 557 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 1: you two, okay, I will I well. 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