WEBVTT - Feeling Tempted with Chad Johnson 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:04.360 Hell I Suck At Dating with Dean, Vanessa and Jarrett 0:00:04.640 --> 0:00:11.120 and I Heart Radio Podcast. Hello everyone, thank you so 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:13.960 much for joining us on this week's episode of Help 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:17.520 I Suck At Dating. This is our second episode of 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:22.840 two thousand nineteen, and I'm so so happy because it's 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:26.200 like a solar eclipse. It only comes around every once 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:28.960 in a while, but when it does come around, you 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:31.560 want to make sure that you remember where you are. 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:33.279 You want to make sure you're not gonna miss it. 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:35.000 You want to make sure it's something you're gonna remember 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:38.080 for the rest of your life. Because Vanessa Grimaldi is 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:43.320 back in studio with us. Thank you so much. Vanessa. 0:00:43.680 --> 0:00:48.640 Breath of fresh Air just flew in. I wasn't a 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:51.360 had it was raining in l A. No one knows 0:00:51.360 --> 0:00:53.199 how to drive whenever it rains in l A. So 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:56.400 my my cab driver took literally fifty five minutes to 0:00:56.480 --> 0:00:58.360 drive here. And then, obviously I have the worst luck 0:00:58.360 --> 0:01:01.440 whenever I travel, and the ridge to let us off 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:05.200 the airplane wasn't opening, so we had to call them, 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:09.199 the mechanics, and that took another thirty minutes. Anyways, I'm here, 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:14.360 I'm jet last. Everything I'm looking at your Instagram stories. 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:17.000 There's always something something. I didn't post anything this time, 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:19.080 so I'm like, I just don't wanna. I just don't 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:21.200 want to like put that out to the universe exactly. 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:23.040 But it's still ended up happening. But I'm here and 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:27.160 I'm so happy. You guys, we miss you. It's so 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:30.520 much better when you're in studio. It's just fantastic. We 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:32.440 have some great guests as well. So we have the 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:35.319 new from the new show Temptation Island. We have the 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:38.840 host Mark Wahlberg. No, not the Boston Mark Wahlberg. We 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:45.600 have the host Mark Wall Mark Walberg into Mark walk 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:48.880 will be in studio. We also have a very special 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:52.080 guest formerly from The Bachelor franchise and now currently on 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:55.720 X on the Beach season two. We have Bad Chad 0:01:56.040 --> 0:02:03.360 Chad John in studio. We'll talk about it more later, 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:06.560 but Dean's not excited about this. Well, Dean, you kind 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:10.919 of made some waves last week. Yeah, I wasn't really 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:13.600 unexpectedly because I got a lot of tweets about it. 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:16.240 What I got a lot of tweets about it because 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:20.120 so pretty much you did a weekly spot on Access 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:23.200 Hollywood last week. It's a weekly spot of recapping The Bachelor, 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:26.320 and you were one of the guests. And then there 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:29.640 was an US Weekly article that came out from that interview. 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:35.480 And US Weekly article is headlined Dean Angler Shade's ex 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:41.720 Leslie Murphy as he slams fake Bachelor Nation relationships. And 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:44.639 so then I obviously saw this headline, went back to 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:47.320 watch the interview and let me read the direct quote 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:50.520 that Dean said on Access Hollywood last week, the day 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:54.600 after the Bachelor premiere quote, none of these Bachelor relationships 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:58.160 are real, not a single one of them. Maybe you've 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:00.959 got some marriages and some kids. Those ones are real, 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:05.079 but every one of them is fake and contrived and 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:07.720 not I'm not I'm not into that. Well the funniest 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:12.519 I'm not. Okay, that's more. Dean went on to say, granted, 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:15.880 there's some that are real, like those ones, I guess, 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:26.760 but boyfriend girlfriend relationships, every single one of them, it's fake. Dean, 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:30.080 do you stand by what you said? And he said 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:32.560 this with a smile too. That was everything I say 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:34.200 is with a smile and laugh. And it's the fact 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:36.880 that people still take me seriously, what were you serious? 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:39.800 I was, to a degree, But it's also like, come on, 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:42.760 I I pride myself on being sarcastic, right, Like that 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:45.640 is like a staple of my personality is sarcasm. And 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:47.840 I saw you take me out my word, you were 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:51.839 not being sarcasmic. You had I actually want to text 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:54.360 you after that picked a little bit of speed up, 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:55.360 and I was like, darre just so you know, like 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:57.120 I'm not talking like I know you and Ashley are 0:03:57.160 --> 0:03:58.880 obviously as real as I get. Well, I think that's 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:00.960 what people why I got a lot of a little 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:03.720 attention on social media because I think when you first 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:07.040 said it, I think a lot of minds went directly 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:10.520 to actuallyified boyfriend girlfriend because you guys are not boyfriend girlfriends, 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:14.840 which yes, but because you go and you say, I 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:17.800 guess if you've got some marriages and some kids, those 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:20.200 ones are real. Well, the interview kind of the interviewer 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:22.760 have led me to say that I would have continued 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:24.440 to say that all of them were a little bit 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:26.160 more fake. But well, I never asked you about what 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:28.760 you thought of my relationship with Nick. Did you think that, Well, 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:31.000 I didn't know you during that relationship, right, but still 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:33.000 you don't know half of these relationships in bashelor world, 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:35.880 but you're still assuming that they're fake. Yeah, well right, 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:37.840 it was easier to assume from a distance, especially when 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:41.440 you're not personally tied to them, Like after saying, after um, 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:44.280 that interview and again like I'm we spoke about it 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:46.040 last week a little bit too. Is just like I've had, 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:47.480 I've got a bad taste in my mouth as it 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:50.320 comes to relationships in general, and so that interview came 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:53.960 fresh after my jaded nous from something that relation that 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:57.520 I've had, Right, Um, because you found out a relationship 0:04:57.600 --> 0:04:59.240 you were in maybe wasn't as real as you thought 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:02.840 it was. Yes, that's part of it, um, and we 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:06.760 can get into that later. But uh, there are certain 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:09.080 relationships that obviously you look up to and you idolize, 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:10.440 like an Ashley and a Jared or even like a 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:12.120 Kendall and a Joe. Like Kendall reach out to me 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:14.560 and it was like, um, hey, just you know, like 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:16.280 people are reaching out to me questioning this, and I 0:05:16.360 --> 0:05:18.120 was like, well, Kendall, I know that you and Joe 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:20.520 are really like you guys are adorable together. Adam and 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:23.520 Raven for instance, are are adorable together. Like there's their 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:26.559 boyfriend girlfriend they are absolutely Kendall and Joe and Adam 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:31.000 and Raven. You said, I guess, but boyfriend girlfriend relationships. 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:35.320 I'm not trying to grill you, but now please because 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:37.880 also I want people to know what you truly meant 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:39.960 by these because I think they are being I think 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:44.039 that frustrates me. And if you listen and watch the whole, 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:45.400 it's like a five minute interview. If you watch a 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:48.000 whole interview. Um, I did a better job of kind 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:50.640 of like articulating what I meant later on when I 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:53.320 was saying that people will go into these shows and 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:57.600 prioritize a relationship over a person, right, and so typically 0:05:58.000 --> 0:05:59.880 and I have that quote, I'd like to read it 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:02.760 because I I think it's a good quote. So you 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:04.640 went on to continue and you said, I think contestants 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:08.080 on The Bachelor prioritize a relationship over the person, so 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:10.120 they're like, I love being in a relationship more than 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:12.400 I love you as a person, and that stuff. It 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:15.560 sucks just to know how it should be. You should 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:17.280 love a person and then want to be in a 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:20.640 relationship with them, not love the idea of a relationship, 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:23.560 and then you find someone to be in that with 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:27.440 you I said that, you did say that. I actually 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:30.280 that makes sense. I agree with that, especially coming off 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:32.599 of the Bachelor franchise, where you have like this idea 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:34.920 of like what the relationship could bring you and like 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:36.600 the attention that you can get from the relations So 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:38.760 I zoom out. So that was my central thought, and 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:42.360 I zoom out from that, and you're you're thinking to yourself, Okay, 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:47.000 these relationships are existing because the relationship was the central 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:49.120 starting point for that, not so much the other person. 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:51.919 If these two people had met in real life, would 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:54.000 it have happened the way that it had happened, If 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:57.240 there was no component of the public relationship, would it 0:06:57.320 --> 0:06:59.560 be the way that it is? And that's it's just 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:03.360 there are certain relationships that obviously that would happen. It's 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:05.240 you're very grateful that the show is what brought you 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:08.200 together to then be able to form those everlasting relationships, 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:11.640 but it's also like remove the component of public notoriety, 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:15.440 of social influence of everything, the monetary gain of whatever 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:18.120 it is, and then will those relationships still be there? 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:20.040 Like you look at Jared and Ashley and actually has 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:22.000 been in love with Jared literally from the moment she 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:23.960 laid eyes on you. She could care less whether you 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:25.960 were on a reality t V show or not. Granted it, 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:27.760 it took you a little bit longer to realize that, 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:29.480 but once you did, then you were a hun percent 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:32.040 all in. You could delete your Instagram today and you 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:33.720 and actually would still be married for the rest of 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:35.920 your lives. And that's something that I don't think many 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:39.480 people from the franchise would be able to do to 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:42.640 varying degrees, you know what I mean. I just think 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:44.960 that there's a certain component that people factor into a 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:53.040 relationship with this show that it's not very normal. I agree. 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:55.760 I agree with that statement. I think what killed you 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:58.840 with your statements was that you started off the interviews 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:02.680 saying none of the Bachelor relationships are real. That was 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:04.480 the only thing, and then you even went to go 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:09.280 more detailed by saying, well, maybe just boyfriend girlfriend. But 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:12.000 then of course there are very famous, not famous, but 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:14.920 very well known relationships that are just boyfriend girlfriend from 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:17.920 the from the franchise. I have a question. I don't 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:21.440 think anyone questions Jared Nashley, because that's an ongoing great thing. 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:26.560 The unique perspective is a past relationship from the Bachelor 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:29.840 that didn't work out so well and how legitimate that was? 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:31.840 So Vanessa, you were quizzing him about you do you 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:34.000 think me and me and Nick were real? So the 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:36.920 question is what do you think years later? Was it real? 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:41.160 Between you and Nick? It was real, however, I think 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:44.520 if there wasn't the pressure of there's those a few 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:47.480 things involved, right, Like the idea of engagement for me 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:53.040 was so critical and I took that to heart. Instagram engagement. No. 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:58.319 Do you know what sponsors I said no to? And 0:08:58.400 --> 0:08:59.920 it's like, I don't even want to get into that 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:05.120 because I did in capitalize not no, And there's a 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:06.480 lot of things that I'm Mike, I should have said 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:08.520 yes to certain things. But anyway, I don't even want 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:11.679 to get into that. Um, but I do think, you know, 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:15.400 we started realizing early on in the relationship that it 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:19.720 was we were very very different people. And you both 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:22.040 know Nick and you both know me, and I don't 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:27.520 think that if if I would never pin you two together, right, 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:30.760 it's so interesting knowing you both now they're like, Wow, 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:34.559 they were engaged. Let's say it's a bad thing. You're 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:38.360 just very different, very different outside of television. I don't 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:40.280 think no, I don't think if we would have massed 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:42.520 that your situation, I guess you can consider unique because 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:44.839 it took you time to realize that, and once you 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:47.000 realized that, then you guys were like amicable. Okay, let's 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:50.040 that backup Dean's point for you to say that you 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:55.960 wouldn't have worked outside of television. Yes, However, I wouldn't 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:59.440 say that all baster relationships, boyfriend and girlf relationships are 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:02.360 fake because and I would I wouldn't. I wouldn't come 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:04.640 down to that conclusion with my relationship with Nick. So 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:06.800 the point that that topic even got addressed in that 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:09.880 interview was the very first question that interviewer asked me 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:12.280 was three months ago, you said that you'll never be 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:14.920 in a bachelorationship again, and I said, I will never 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:17.440 be in a bachelorationship again because of this reason, because 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:19.760 this is how I feel that the starting point is 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:23.079 everyone probably has the relationship. I don't want to be 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:26.400 the second priority relationship, and that's exactly how I feel. 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:29.839 But I wouldn't say all because all batchelor relationships are fake. 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:32.360 I've said the same statement I would never and have 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:34.559 been asked to do Bachelor in Paradise winner games and 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:37.400 all that, and I said no to them. I've kindly 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:41.760 declined because I just don't want my relationship to be 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:44.160 the center of what's going on in my life. And 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:46.280 I want that person to love me for me and 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:49.320 not me for you know, the idea of who they 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:51.960 think I am. Yeah, yeah, of course. Well my question 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:54.240 for you, Dean two questions, because we talked about our 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:56.800 relationships and whether they're real or not. So the question 0:10:56.920 --> 0:10:59.559 for me is, was your looking back on it now? 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:08.000 Was your relationship with Leslie real? Oh? And yeah? And what? Yeah, 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:14.320 it's I really don't want. It's hard because I don't. 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:16.080 I feel like I've already commented too much on that. La. 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:20.720 You can only speak for yourself months ago at this point, Um, 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:23.760 how many months ago? Like seven months ago? Seven months ago? 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:26.640 Haven't listen, it's gonna be two years. No, how many 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:28.400 years am I single? It's gonna be two years and 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:31.640 got engaged? Yeah, No, it's gonna be two years in 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:33.439 August that I'm single and I'm still talking about my 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:38.760 engagement with Nick. So it's only been seven months January. 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:41.240 You can't see it. Well, listen, I'm Italian, we like 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:47.439 think way ahead. I'm like thirty two already, Dean. Was 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:52.800 it real for you? Yeah? Yeah, it was. Um, it 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:55.040 took some time, it took some warming up. It was 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:57.199 I think that there were still some things that I 0:11:57.240 --> 0:11:59.160 had to work through personally. But once I was able 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:02.160 to work through them, I bought into it. I I was, 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:09.280 I was fully committed to it. Um. But then it's 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:11.079 like once you go all in and with something and 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:13.240 then you realize it's not what you expected it to be, 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:16.920 things kind of start to deterior pretty quickly. Um. And 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:21.280 then it's like, okay, you you've essentially achieved Nirvana, right, 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:23.920 You've You've reached the peak of the summit, and this 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:25.559 is what life is supposed to be like for the 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:27.400 rest of your life. And then you get up there 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:29.560 and you're like, well, okay, wait, this is actually going 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:32.080 down here really quickly. Things aren't exactly how I expected 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:33.880 them to be. The view isn't as quite as picturesque 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:35.160 and beautiful as I thought it was going to be, 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:37.120 So why the heck did I climb to the top 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:39.480 of the mountain in this first place? Um? And then 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:41.880 you start to like backtrack and you're like, okay, well wait, 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:44.560 maybe we're not supposed to be together. We've both given 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:46.680 it at all. We both tried everything that we could. 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:51.000 There is still value to gain from staying together in 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:54.440 this relationship, even though we don't necessarily love each other 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:56.920 to the fullest extent that our hearts are capable of. 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:00.240 And yet it's beneficial for us to stay together there 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:04.400 but despite that, our well being would be better off 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:05.640 if we were to move in. What do you mean 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:08.400 it was beneficial for you guys to stay together, because well, 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:11.480 look at any relationship. I didn't know where you were 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:13.120 going with this because at first it was like about 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:15.079 climbing him out and looking at the view, and so 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:17.520 I was I thought it was another menag. I thought 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:21.760 it was another metaphor. So are you staying Are you 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:27.160 saying you stayed in it because there was potential monetary gain? Exactly? 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:29.079 Can't we just call it what it is? Sometimes on 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:32.439 these relationships you make more money together than you do 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:34.319 a part where you have more likes or you have 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:39.320 more followers, you get more appearances or more access Hollywood interviews. 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:41.559 It's like, just call it out right, what's what I'm saying, 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:43.520 That's what I'm that's what I'm calling out and That's 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:46.679 what I'm saying. We reached a point. And again, it's 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:48.840 it's not that one of us is a horrible person 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:50.760 in the end day, It's just that together we weren't 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:53.240 a match. We reached a point. We both gave it. 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:56.160 We both gave a percent effort. I again, I put 0:13:56.200 --> 0:14:01.840 an astecs next to that, because whatever. But and there's 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:04.160 so many frustrating things that I just cannot say there. 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:07.000 But I get that clearly this was real for you, 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:09.520 just because of how deeply affected you've been by whatever 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:11.120 you found out in the past few weeks, which we 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:13.959 don't know, but I kind of clearly infected you in 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:16.360 a way because you literally went on Access Hollywood and 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:22.080 said none of the relationships. Obviously there's a clear I'm 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:24.160 a train. I was on the tracks and now I'm 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:26.400 completely off the tracks. Let's just face facts. I'm off 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:28.440 the rails. I don't know what I'm talking about anymore. 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:31.000 I'm the loose cannon of Bachelor Nations. A lot of 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:33.800 truth what I think you were inferring. But the lucky 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:37.840 thing for Jared and Ashley is yes, there are many 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:41.000 benefits to them being together, but they also are genuinely 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:44.000 completely in love with each other and they would be 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:47.440 even without all the others. At point, that's why I 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:50.040 said Jared Deletes's Instagram and actually they're going to stay 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:52.160 together for the rest of their lives. That's not the 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:56.760 case with everybody. And again, I'm not gonna I'm not 0:14:56.800 --> 0:14:59.080 gonna make like a half as statement where I say 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:00.920 you have some couple of some couples, aren't I'm gonna 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:04.680 be objective and say all of them. And again like, yeah, 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:07.560 I'm a little I'm being a bit like brash and 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:11.560 over the top, um, but that's just that's just who 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:14.040 I am. And I'm as sarcastic as I pointed out before. 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:15.880 It's just like everything I say has to be taken 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:18.360 with a very thick layer of sarcasm. But not everyone 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:20.880 gets that, and especially like no, that's that was to 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:22.720 Kendall's point too. She reached out and she said, you 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:24.960 know that Joe and Eyes relationship is as real as 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:31.960 it guests. And I said, yes, I know that, Ashley. There, 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:36.480 I'm sorry Amy the grammar nazi over here, um, And 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:38.720 I said, yes, I know that, and then kinda rebuked 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:41.960 with saying how people tend to take even like my 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:45.680 word as gospel. Despite how I like view myself as 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:47.680 very sarcastic, other people don't see me that way. I 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:52.200 think a lot of people view um, they don't take 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:54.080 our word as gospel. But the fact is, you have 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:57.080 more knowledge about these relationships that anybody than anybody else. 0:15:57.280 --> 0:15:58.960 So with if you say it, they're gonna take it 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:01.120 as fact because they're like, crap, well, Dean's friends with 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:04.960 all these people, so obviously these relationships are fake. That's 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:07.960 why I don't know. Yeah, I mean I again, I 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:10.400 still stand by what I said, Like, I'm not gonna 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:13.280 waiver on that. Maybe in a year I'll look back 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:14.480 and be like, why the heck did I say that? 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:17.080 But right now I'm still in this mindset where I, 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:20.120 in an ideal world, I will never be in a 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:22.880 bachelorationship again. But that's his wife up. Her husband did 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:24.960 it up right now, So granted her and I are 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:26.760 never gonna work out. Now. Here's the thing, though, if 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:30.000 you meet somebody off camera that is in the bachelor family, 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:32.160 that is like, for example, Jason and Caitlyn right now, 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:34.480 there's all these rumors that they're dating and they're together. 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:37.360 That's definitely a bachelor relationship. Yeah, but he okay. So 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:40.120 here's my thing with that too, is I'm not doubting 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:42.080 I don't know the extent of the relationship at all. 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:43.360 I don't think any of us really do at this 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:45.280 point yet. Maybe they're just going on dates, whatever it is. 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:50.400 But the fact that so so much and I love 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:53.880 Jason and I know that he is. Yeah, And then 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:56.800 they're both as realist and I love them both. They're 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:59.400 both as real as it gets. But part of it 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:01.720 also is like, are you in this? Are you in 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:03.520 this relationship because you like me? Are you in this 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:05.280 relationship because you like the way that people think that 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:08.000 we are together? Could it be? And I'm just asking 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:12.200 the question that any relationships in this Bachelor Nation world 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:18.520 are different then a traditional relationship because of the public 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:21.359 eye and and that you went on a show. I 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:24.160 think they're inherently different. I think it's I think, well, yes, 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:27.160 I think you're right. I think it's also it's two 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:30.080 people that have experienced something that no one else is 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:33.560 ever going to be able to relate to. And I 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:36.440 think at least for like my relationship with Nick, we 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:39.160 were we were bonding off of that, right, But that's 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:40.840 the only thing you're bonding off. Now, I'm saying I 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:43.720 think that was like we had we we we started 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:45.720 to have like a solid foundation, and then like we 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:49.520 started realizing that we were very different. But then we're like, Okay, 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:52.320 well we came this far. We have like this crazy 0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:56.280 experience and like that no one else will really ever understand. 0:17:57.000 --> 0:17:59.000 Let's see, let's try to make it work. And we 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:01.520 did a couples therapy and I've openly spoken about this 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:04.320 um but at the end of the day, like we 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:07.280 both said, like it's not worth extending and staying in 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:10.840 a relationship that makes us both unhappy of course for 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:13.480 like the gain of what that's gonna last like, And 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:16.240 to harp back to like the Jason and quit Caitlyn 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:19.960 question that you guys brought up, nobody's above questioning, you know, 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:23.280 like anytime someone questions my relationship with Ashley, I actually 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:24.760 don't mind it, and I don't care if they do, 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:26.720 because if they don't know me, sure they can question 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:29.200 where public figures, they can question whatever relationship I'm in, 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:32.280 and because I don't mind defending it because I know 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:34.320 how real it is. So if somebody who doesn't know 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:35.960 me says you guys are fake, Well, you don't know 0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:38.280 where you're talking about. And so I agree with you 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:41.320 the Jason and Caitlin thing, like, I hope that they're 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:43.840 really happy. But sure, there's nothing wrong with questioning if 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:46.280 people are real or not, especially in the relationships or 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:49.280 what their objectives are to stay together in a relationship 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:53.879 within the Bachelor franchise. Um, But I just I think 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:56.240 it was different because it came from you. That was 0:18:56.280 --> 0:18:58.960 the only difference within this entire thing. But what is it? 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:01.000 What does it matter whether comes from me or someone else, 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:03.840 because you know us. And so if somebody who's our 0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:07.880 friends says every relationship is fake, there and then it's 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:11.359 obviously alluding to people that, Yeah, if it's someone who 0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:15.159 is part of the franchise but not really involved in it, 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:17.880 then it's like, oh, they're just assuming. For example, before 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:19.800 I was on the show watching this, I was I 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:22.920 remember watching Shaun and Catherine's wedding special years ago, and 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:26.440 I was like, fake, they're doing all of fame. And 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:28.920 of course I was just an ignorant guy who didn't 0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:32.920 know the actual relationships behind these these these people. And 0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:37.320 so I don't fault people for making their own opinions 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:41.720 on my relationship, well unless they know me. Well, here's 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:43.720 the only difference. Yeah, I mean, I've known you for 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:46.600 a little over a year now, I've known more than that. 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:48.480 I met you. You met him before you met me, 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:51.640 so we've known you. I've known you for a while. Dean, 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:53.880 I've known you for almost a year and a half. 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:58.560 You're You're on Rachel season so you were like spring 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:04.520 You're on TV. Yes. Anyways, the point is that, yeah, 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:06.240 so I but I met you during the summer, like 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:10.000 so like summer seen. I don't think that you're what 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:13.520 you're And Ashley's romantic history is not I'm not talking 0:20:13.520 --> 0:20:15.080 about U's not normal though. This is the point that 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:17.640 I'm trying to make. It's like, is there a specific okay, 0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:19.600 is there a specific couple you want to call out? 0:20:19.920 --> 0:20:21.600 Is that you're looking to call it out on their right? 0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:26.639 The point that I'm trying to make is Jared And 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:28.960 this is how I this is how I idolized love 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:32.560 in my brain is Jared was an idiot and fought 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:34.800 it so hard every step of the way, and yet 0:20:34.920 --> 0:20:38.359 him and Ashley are still together. So despite everything, Ashley 0:20:38.400 --> 0:20:40.359 and Jared are still in love. And gonna get married, 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:42.560 and that's how I you love? Is this the word 0:20:42.640 --> 0:20:45.720 despite I think is super important, Despite Jared fighting it 0:20:46.119 --> 0:20:48.280 and and trying to not let it happen, It's still 0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:50.280 happened because that's just the universe telling them that they're 0:20:50.280 --> 0:20:53.359 supposed to be together. On the other side, it's people 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:57.600 that are saying, because of all of this, I want 0:20:57.640 --> 0:20:59.320 to be with you, not I want to be with you, 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:01.280 and then this is all again. That's my point. I 0:21:01.400 --> 0:21:03.400 agree with you because I've even on this past season 0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:05.240 in Paradise, there were people that went on there and 0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:07.639 we're like, I just want what Tanner and Jade are, like, 0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:09.720 I want a relationship like Tanner and Jade Carl and 0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:12.719 they were given all examples of Bachelor people because they 0:21:12.760 --> 0:21:15.080 were on Bachelor in Paradise. But you're right, people go 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:18.920 into this wanting relationship and then they fill whatever that 0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:22.359 spot is with somebody that they think, you know, should 0:21:22.400 --> 0:21:25.440 be that person. Mr Right there, it's like, is there 0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:27.920 any chance of maybe What you were actually saying is 0:21:28.000 --> 0:21:31.960 it's like these bachelor couples, it's easier for you to 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:35.120 all date each other and then you just fall into 0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:37.639 it almost like a crutch and then you're just in 0:21:37.760 --> 0:21:39.400 it and doing it and half the time you don't 0:21:39.400 --> 0:21:41.520 even live in the same city. So it's this long 0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:46.320 distance sort of public instagram e thing. When if you 0:21:46.480 --> 0:21:50.239 met under totally different circumstances, would it still be right? 0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:55.280 And I agree that because the relationships are formed from 0:21:55.320 --> 0:21:58.440 the Bachelor, they probably last longer than they would in 0:21:58.640 --> 0:22:02.760 in normal life, you know, because you know, there's so 0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:05.239 much there's so much public opinion behind that that I'm 0:22:05.280 --> 0:22:07.280 sure people are like, no, we should really try to 0:22:07.320 --> 0:22:10.160 stay together. No seeing Nick and I were like, nope, 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:13.119 we know we're gonna get backlash, Like whatever, let's just 0:22:13.160 --> 0:22:16.359 do what makes us happy. None of the couples that 0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:19.000 have gotten married have gotten divorced, I know, so there 0:22:19.119 --> 0:22:22.800 is zero. If you're willing to go across that threshold, 0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:25.240 then you know that that's going to be a legitimate commitment. 0:22:25.359 --> 0:22:27.320 And that's sad. Easy to date someone's easy people, someone's 0:22:27.320 --> 0:22:29.320 boyfriend or something course. I mean, that's sad if you're 0:22:29.320 --> 0:22:34.680 thinking about the fact that you're basically paralyzed because you're 0:22:34.680 --> 0:22:36.720 afraid of what people are going to say if a 0:22:36.800 --> 0:22:39.359 relationship doesn't work out. I think, I mean, you can 0:22:39.400 --> 0:22:41.520 speak from personal experience, but I would say that's probably 0:22:41.640 --> 0:22:45.120 pretty true. Yeah, it's it's it's sad. It is sad 0:22:45.240 --> 0:22:47.879 that you take into account what other people say. I mean, 0:22:47.920 --> 0:22:49.920 we we all do it. Though it makes me uncomfortable, 0:22:50.000 --> 0:22:52.320 but you know what makes me super constant life. There's 0:22:52.320 --> 0:22:56.600 plenty of couples that don't get divorced or break right. 0:22:57.800 --> 0:23:01.440 You don't have families or their friends, or they don't 0:23:01.440 --> 0:23:05.000 want to hurt their kids. So it's not that unreal. 0:23:05.440 --> 0:23:09.920 It's sort of twisted, heightened reality, but it's not that 0:23:10.080 --> 0:23:13.879 different than what regular people like me and Mark did. 0:23:13.960 --> 0:23:17.359 I did I adequately answer that question. I think it 0:23:17.440 --> 0:23:20.560 makes sense. You absolutely made sense. 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I love that Bostonian accent there. 0:27:37.080 --> 0:27:39.760 Mock well when we first when I first heard Mark 0:27:39.760 --> 0:27:42.399 Wahlberg is coming in studio, I thought a little confused. Well, 0:27:42.400 --> 0:27:43.960 I thought it helped I suck a dating, just got 0:27:44.000 --> 0:27:46.440 a huge jump in the budget to get our guests. 0:27:46.760 --> 0:27:51.480 But Mark, we're very excited for you to be And 0:27:51.520 --> 0:27:55.280 it was like, oh that But and he I say, 0:27:55.359 --> 0:27:58.600 I said, you look like just hit me with every 0:27:58.720 --> 0:28:03.040 dispossible skin it out now. Well, not that Mark Walburg. 0:28:03.080 --> 0:28:05.320 I'm not Chris Harrison. I'm just some schmuck who wonders 0:28:05.359 --> 0:28:07.200 you have to Remember I'm from Providence, right Island, so 0:28:07.320 --> 0:28:11.280 like the Walburger, they walk on sacred ground, you know, 0:28:11.280 --> 0:28:13.320 I understand their turf and I'm a big fan of there, 0:28:13.400 --> 0:28:15.040 So I mean, how can I not be. My name 0:28:15.080 --> 0:28:17.280 is Mark Walburg. I get quizzed on his career every day, 0:28:17.400 --> 0:28:19.000 and I mean, Mark, I gotta say to to to 0:28:19.119 --> 0:28:20.720 kind of go against the graend with what the two 0:28:20.760 --> 0:28:23.119 co hosts over here are doing. Temptation Island from the 0:28:23.160 --> 0:28:25.440 early two thousands is when it initially aired, Right, was 0:28:25.560 --> 0:28:28.040 one of the most popular TV shows of all time. 0:28:28.119 --> 0:28:30.680 I thought was the at the time, I think with 0:28:30.720 --> 0:28:32.359 the highest rated show in the history of Fox, and 0:28:32.440 --> 0:28:35.360 that was your show. I hosted it. Well that means 0:28:35.400 --> 0:28:37.639 it's yours essentially, Right. It was very early. It was 0:28:37.720 --> 0:28:40.040 like reality TV had not It wasn't a thing. It 0:28:40.120 --> 0:28:42.000 was like Big Brother came out and nobody really watched it. 0:28:42.240 --> 0:28:44.800 First Survibra came out was a hit, and then We 0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:46.680 came out, and then Right and then I think like 0:28:46.840 --> 0:28:48.960 MTV started spinning off Real World and Road Rules, and 0:28:51.120 --> 0:28:53.520 Real was the first first. Then there was a special 0:28:53.600 --> 0:28:55.880 called Who Wants to Marry a Millionaire? Which I was 0:28:55.960 --> 0:28:59.920 the warm up guy. For that was a crowd guy, 0:29:00.040 --> 0:29:01.640 and it was there that I got the job because 0:29:02.000 --> 0:29:03.720 I was a crowd guy. But I was bitter about 0:29:03.720 --> 0:29:05.240 it because I had had my own talk show before 0:29:05.280 --> 0:29:06.920 that and I was like just trying to pay bills 0:29:06.960 --> 0:29:09.480 and a whole long story, and and Mike Dornella had 0:29:09.520 --> 0:29:11.200 a Fox came up to me after that taping. He said, 0:29:11.200 --> 0:29:12.720 you should do warm up for all of our shows. 0:29:12.720 --> 0:29:14.360 And I'm like, na, dog, I should host your show 0:29:14.400 --> 0:29:17.240 and walked off. And then I ended up posting Temptation Island, 0:29:18.280 --> 0:29:20.520 which is wild. I watched the super teaser and I 0:29:20.640 --> 0:29:24.680 was like getting hives. Yeah, I'm like, why listen, why 0:29:24.720 --> 0:29:27.000 would anyone want to egg on the Bachelor? I did it, 0:29:27.080 --> 0:29:29.760 so I get it, But I mean, at least, but 0:29:29.920 --> 0:29:33.000 at least I'm going on the show, and if he 0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:35.280 was going to end things with me, there was no 0:29:36.360 --> 0:29:40.080 previous connection. I mean, that's like you're in a relationship, 0:29:40.120 --> 0:29:41.840 you don't know if you're gonna end up getting married, 0:29:41.960 --> 0:29:43.960 So hey, how about we go and see if we're 0:29:43.960 --> 0:29:47.360 gonna like sleep with other people? And that's crazy. It 0:29:47.440 --> 0:29:49.440 down to an interesting tea there, but I don't know 0:29:49.480 --> 0:29:52.040 if that's the whole I mean, that's like what my 0:29:52.200 --> 0:29:56.320 anxiety levels telling me. Mark. For the listeners that are 0:29:56.440 --> 0:29:58.360 unfamiliar with Temptation On, do you mind just giving us 0:29:58.440 --> 0:30:01.800 like a quick sixty second elevator pictures? Yeah. Yeah. So 0:30:01.920 --> 0:30:04.480 you've got four couples, young couples who are not married. 0:30:04.800 --> 0:30:06.880 Big distinction we have to make because most people leap to, 0:30:06.920 --> 0:30:09.640 oh my god, this is the end of Western civilization, 0:30:10.400 --> 0:30:12.840 which it may be, but nonetheless, there are four couples 0:30:12.840 --> 0:30:16.320 who have been dating for years each couple, and they're 0:30:16.360 --> 0:30:19.520 at a standstill. They're stagnant, they've got problems before they 0:30:19.560 --> 0:30:21.600 go to the next level. It's not necessarily marriage. So 0:30:21.720 --> 0:30:23.760 they agree to go to Temptation Island, where they will 0:30:23.760 --> 0:30:26.880 be single again, and it's their choice to come. Right. 0:30:26.960 --> 0:30:28.680 So the four couples come, what you have a question? 0:30:31.280 --> 0:30:34.600 So so they're like, oh, we're gonna be single. Yeah, 0:30:34.640 --> 0:30:37.080 I'm gonna answer these for you. It's gonna work out. 0:30:37.120 --> 0:30:40.239 I'm getting like three, baby, I got you. I'm right 0:30:40.320 --> 0:30:42.320 here for you. Okay, what are some of the issues 0:30:42.360 --> 0:30:44.640 that they're having, Well, like, you know, one girl saying, 0:30:44.640 --> 0:30:46.160 you know, we've been dating for several years, it's time 0:30:46.160 --> 0:30:50.400 to get married. Yeah, there is we were boyfriend and 0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:55.280 girlfriend since you know for sixteen years old he cheated 0:30:55.360 --> 0:30:58.440 somewhere in there. I have trust issues. Bang bang bang. Uh. 0:30:58.880 --> 0:31:00.480 The other one is he's a little older than the 0:31:01.000 --> 0:31:04.240 girl and and you know they're wondering, you know, he's 0:31:04.280 --> 0:31:07.560 ready for commitment, maybe she's not. And in the other couple, 0:31:07.600 --> 0:31:09.440 I think one of the issues is that she doesn't 0:31:09.440 --> 0:31:11.720 feel like he's the alpha male that she wants. And 0:31:12.040 --> 0:31:13.880 I'm not sure she wants to raise kids with this guy, 0:31:13.960 --> 0:31:17.959 and so you want to see each other. So they 0:31:18.040 --> 0:31:20.239 choose to come to the island for whatever reasons they 0:31:20.320 --> 0:31:22.920 think are the reasons. And if a couple chooses to 0:31:23.000 --> 0:31:27.760 go to Temptation Island, that relationship is probably already. I 0:31:27.840 --> 0:31:29.720 get a little headier than that. But yes, I think 0:31:29.800 --> 0:31:32.000 that maybe the first blush is what you think. I'm 0:31:32.000 --> 0:31:34.720 not so sure. I think people come on shows thinking 0:31:35.080 --> 0:31:37.080 I will be fine, let's just kind of we'll do 0:31:37.240 --> 0:31:39.160 this and it'll all be good and then we'll be 0:31:39.200 --> 0:31:41.080 on TV and stuff. But what I tell them on 0:31:41.200 --> 0:31:43.200 the air and off the air is like, there's two 0:31:43.240 --> 0:31:45.240 reasons you come here. One is the one you tell producers, 0:31:45.280 --> 0:31:47.360 which is we have problems with the relationship. We're looking 0:31:47.800 --> 0:31:49.600 like on The Bachelor, I'm coming to find true love, 0:31:49.640 --> 0:31:51.920 when in fact you're coming to find Instagram followers. But 0:31:51.960 --> 0:31:56.920 it's all good. Not you TV for this. But I 0:31:57.040 --> 0:31:59.120 say to these guys, whatever your reason for coming on 0:31:59.200 --> 0:32:01.960 the air, it's gonna get real real quick. So it 0:32:02.000 --> 0:32:04.959 doesn't really matter because the answer. Although I would never 0:32:05.080 --> 0:32:09.040 advise anybody to go do this, um, you're gonna find 0:32:09.080 --> 0:32:11.400 out how you feel for sure, and it's real. What 0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:13.760 I what I was thinking was if the couple does 0:32:14.760 --> 0:32:17.400 get into or like they're not tempted to be with 0:32:17.440 --> 0:32:19.440 other people or whatever, and then they remain a couple. 0:32:20.240 --> 0:32:23.400 Like so when we were filming The Bachelor, we finished 0:32:23.400 --> 0:32:26.680 filming in November and it airs in January, and in between, 0:32:26.760 --> 0:32:29.520 like November to January lockdown, Like you're lockdown. I mean 0:32:29.560 --> 0:32:31.480 you're talking about it with your significant other, right, Like 0:32:31.600 --> 0:32:33.280 Nick and I were like talking about things that happened. 0:32:33.320 --> 0:32:36.200 But it's one thing to be told what happened, and 0:32:36.280 --> 0:32:40.040 then it's another thing to relive it after it's happened already. 0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:43.840 So I'm assuming, Like, how so the four couples come, 0:32:44.280 --> 0:32:47.240 they move into separate houses, so the four girls in 0:32:47.320 --> 0:32:49.600 one villa, the four boys living another villa, and in 0:32:49.760 --> 0:32:52.680 those villas, the four girls have twelve single guys, and 0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:55.320 the four guys have twelve single girls. Now they're gonna 0:32:55.400 --> 0:32:57.480 date and hang out and whatever and figure out what's up. 0:32:57.720 --> 0:33:00.680 There's three possible outcomes. There's no prize. So it's either 0:33:00.720 --> 0:33:02.360 going to be that you realize after all of this 0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:04.720 that what you have was real and what you were 0:33:04.760 --> 0:33:07.120 complaining about was petty, and let's go together and stay 0:33:07.200 --> 0:33:10.000 together forever and leave with the answers. Or you may 0:33:10.080 --> 0:33:12.360 find that you haven't found anybody, but you don't want 0:33:12.400 --> 0:33:14.680 to be in this relationship, so you leave separately, or 0:33:14.760 --> 0:33:17.320 you found new love. I will tell you that all 0:33:17.400 --> 0:33:19.320 three of those things are definitely in play. Well, So 0:33:19.440 --> 0:33:21.560 here's here's my singer that I want to introduce into 0:33:21.600 --> 0:33:23.920 this scenario. So I moved to Venice three years ago. 0:33:24.200 --> 0:33:25.920 I lived in Westwood for a year in Los Angeles, 0:33:25.960 --> 0:33:27.360 and then after living there for a year, I moved 0:33:27.400 --> 0:33:30.040 to Venice. Lived in this quaint little bungalow in Venice 0:33:30.080 --> 0:33:32.560 for about a year. Um after that year, I moved 0:33:32.600 --> 0:33:35.880 out and moved into my new house. We obviously continue 0:33:35.920 --> 0:33:38.400 to get and receive mail at our old house in Venice, 0:33:39.400 --> 0:33:41.160 and so we would have to go over there often 0:33:41.520 --> 0:33:42.880 um to pick it up. And I was always the 0:33:42.920 --> 0:33:44.560 one that was tasked with doing that because my roommates 0:33:44.600 --> 0:33:45.880 are lazy, and I mean I'm lazy as well, but 0:33:45.920 --> 0:33:48.160 I was I needed to smail sometimes. So one of 0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:52.120 the girls that lived there, Brittany A right, sir, because 0:33:52.160 --> 0:33:53.760 I know she's from So one of the girls that 0:33:53.840 --> 0:33:55.960 lived there eventually ended up getting cats for this show 0:33:55.960 --> 0:34:00.280 at Temptation Island. Were looking at each other like, how 0:34:00.320 --> 0:34:02.560 do you guys know that? How do you know? Well, 0:34:02.560 --> 0:34:04.280 I'm I'm a reality host. I need to know a 0:34:04.320 --> 0:34:06.040 lot of stuff, and so I just knew she was 0:34:06.080 --> 0:34:09.279 from Venice, and I happened to think she's awesome, the 0:34:09.360 --> 0:34:11.040 real deal. But it's funny because you see one of 0:34:11.080 --> 0:34:12.640 the single ladies. She's one of the one of the 0:34:12.680 --> 0:34:14.840 single ladies, and she's going to be a pretty prominent 0:34:15.040 --> 0:34:17.640 character in the in the episode because and this is 0:34:17.680 --> 0:34:20.440 a good point. So on the original Temptation Island and 0:34:20.480 --> 0:34:22.600 people ask me, how are they different? The formats almost 0:34:22.600 --> 0:34:24.800 exactly the same. So if you we're down for the 0:34:24.880 --> 0:34:27.000 show originally you're gonna love it. And if you don't 0:34:27.040 --> 0:34:29.080 know the show, I always tell people it's like watching 0:34:29.120 --> 0:34:33.600 The Bachelor and Bachelorette simultaneously times eight. Right, that's what's 0:34:33.600 --> 0:34:37.120 going on in Paradise, right right, all into one thing. 0:34:37.440 --> 0:34:40.799 So anyway, So what I think is interesting is originally 0:34:41.040 --> 0:34:45.160 the tempters, those singles were there to tempt right, But 0:34:45.400 --> 0:34:48.960 now this version is less that and more about everybody's 0:34:49.000 --> 0:34:51.360 in the same boat. Even the singles are looking to 0:34:51.400 --> 0:34:53.560 find love. They're hoping they're going to find that person. 0:34:53.760 --> 0:34:58.000 So the relationships take on more than just hey, let's 0:34:58.040 --> 0:35:00.840 pull around. It takes on confident hunt and friends and 0:35:00.920 --> 0:35:03.560 advisors and and Brittany plays a lot of that role too. 0:35:03.600 --> 0:35:07.560 I mean she's gorgeous. Yeah, she's got her act really together. 0:35:07.680 --> 0:35:09.560 She's great. I was looking at the cast and I'm like, 0:35:09.680 --> 0:35:12.120 the women beautiful. I was looking at the men. I'm like, 0:35:12.440 --> 0:35:14.480 maybe there's two that I would be like. I wouldn't 0:35:14.480 --> 0:35:16.960 say tempted, but to that, I'm like, I would not 0:35:17.080 --> 0:35:21.640 bring my guy. Oh yeah, guy, we'll get to that. 0:35:21.880 --> 0:35:24.719 Is it fluid? It's a flu I just wouldn't. I'm 0:35:24.760 --> 0:35:26.719 like no, And that's why I was getting hive I'm 0:35:26.760 --> 0:35:29.680 like non and non nutwent. So you say that the 0:35:30.080 --> 0:35:32.640 four guys and the four girls are in relationships, they 0:35:32.680 --> 0:35:36.240 go off. Yep, they go off separately with two houses exactly. 0:35:36.480 --> 0:35:38.399 So is there any point within the show that they're 0:35:38.440 --> 0:35:43.000 brought back together cliche a rose ceremony type thing, fans, 0:35:43.520 --> 0:35:47.359 that's not how we do know, Like eliminations, it works 0:35:47.400 --> 0:35:50.200 a different way. So every episode, not the first episode, 0:35:50.200 --> 0:35:52.880 but after that, every episode kind of ends with our bonfire, 0:35:53.360 --> 0:35:55.799 which is our kind of place, a survivor esque thing 0:35:56.080 --> 0:35:57.880 kind of but not so you know, fire means it 0:35:57.960 --> 0:35:59.759 just happens to be a fire. You know what, do 0:35:59.800 --> 0:36:02.680 they had anything off? Like, here's no there's no roses, 0:36:02.760 --> 0:36:06.000 You've got no roses? Sorry, Um, I mean I could 0:36:06.040 --> 0:36:10.600 work some man if that's important. So basically what happens 0:36:10.719 --> 0:36:12.640 is they check in with me that I'll sit with 0:36:12.719 --> 0:36:15.200 the girls first or the guys, but they're never together, 0:36:15.840 --> 0:36:19.560 and talk about their experience, how it's going. And then 0:36:19.600 --> 0:36:23.880 we showed them um clips of their boyfriends on the 0:36:23.920 --> 0:36:26.120 other side of the island, but they're really short clips, 0:36:26.160 --> 0:36:29.080 sort of out of context, and it's how does that 0:36:29.160 --> 0:36:31.759 make you feel? And literally in the first well it's 0:36:31.760 --> 0:36:34.439 the second episode, the first Bonfire. I show this clip 0:36:34.520 --> 0:36:38.120 of one boyfriend and literally he's drunk in the clip, 0:36:38.200 --> 0:36:40.040 I think, And it's a confessional. It's not even him 0:36:40.040 --> 0:36:43.440 doing anything, it's him talking to the camera and he 0:36:43.520 --> 0:36:46.719 says what he's saying like twenty seconds and the girlfriend says, 0:36:46.760 --> 0:36:49.239 that's it. I'm breaking up right now, it's over. And 0:36:49.320 --> 0:36:51.160 I literally look at her and say, look, I I 0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:54.160 understand this is upset, upsetting you, and I understand that 0:36:54.160 --> 0:36:56.680 you know him better than I do. But what did 0:36:56.719 --> 0:36:58.440 he say? I mean, all I heard was like a 0:36:58.560 --> 0:37:01.799 few words, not even a center, but she and that's 0:37:01.800 --> 0:37:03.400 the whole thing. I keep telling them, you don't know 0:37:03.480 --> 0:37:05.600 what's going on, So it's really about to communicate with 0:37:05.640 --> 0:37:08.040 each other not at all, no phones, no computers. But 0:37:08.120 --> 0:37:10.960 I'm assuming if there are insecurities prior to going on 0:37:11.320 --> 0:37:14.120 into this show, then those arise, right, so that's why 0:37:14.200 --> 0:37:16.759 they're on the show. No, But I'm saying like, maybe 0:37:16.800 --> 0:37:18.719 he said three words, and those three words were like 0:37:18.920 --> 0:37:20.920 that was enough for her because it's something that has 0:37:20.960 --> 0:37:23.080 happened in the past or whatever brought her back to Lake. 0:37:23.200 --> 0:37:24.640 But I think that says a lot about how we 0:37:24.719 --> 0:37:28.560 are in relationships that we're projecting onto people our own 0:37:28.680 --> 0:37:30.759 issues that may or may not be true. And so 0:37:30.880 --> 0:37:33.879 what I keep saying to them is look for this time. 0:37:33.880 --> 0:37:35.719 You've got twenty five days or whatever. You're not going 0:37:35.800 --> 0:37:38.520 to see your boyfriend, so you can't control what's going 0:37:38.560 --> 0:37:40.400 on there. So if you think it was about waiting 0:37:40.440 --> 0:37:42.640 to see if the cheats or not, maybe you can 0:37:42.719 --> 0:37:44.239 use this time to look inward and see what it 0:37:44.360 --> 0:37:46.239 is about your relationship that wasn't working for you. I 0:37:46.400 --> 0:37:48.320 agree when you were saying that, the first thing that 0:37:48.400 --> 0:37:51.280 came to my mind was excuse making, so to speak. 0:37:51.560 --> 0:37:53.719 And it's kind of a metaphor where somebody's in a 0:37:53.760 --> 0:37:56.800 relationship and then they're almost looking for a reason to 0:37:56.880 --> 0:37:59.880 break up because they are attempted, and like these singles 0:38:00.000 --> 0:38:02.640 are kind of a metaphor for me for like online dating. 0:38:02.719 --> 0:38:04.160 But if you want to talk about dating and how 0:38:04.239 --> 0:38:06.120 this really plays out, I mean, if you really want 0:38:06.120 --> 0:38:07.719 to go there, I'd be happy to talk to you 0:38:07.719 --> 0:38:10.080 about it, because I think you're absolutely right. I think 0:38:10.160 --> 0:38:13.200 a lot of the issue when relationship isn't firing isn't 0:38:13.280 --> 0:38:15.759 that the other person is failing you. But there's this 0:38:16.760 --> 0:38:21.160 inner dialogue of your own of expectation and upset based 0:38:21.200 --> 0:38:23.279 on your own stuff that you may or may not 0:38:23.400 --> 0:38:26.560 be communicating, and it's it's really unfair for the other person. 0:38:26.960 --> 0:38:28.680 So this is kind of interesting because it forces you 0:38:28.760 --> 0:38:31.120 to kind of suddenly you get perspective from the opposite 0:38:31.160 --> 0:38:34.120 sex you weren't getting. Somebody might say, you know, and 0:38:34.200 --> 0:38:36.000 I keep saying, where are you holding yourself? And what 0:38:36.120 --> 0:38:38.560 regard you hold yourself? Because it's really about if you 0:38:38.640 --> 0:38:41.960 can't control what's going on, then you know, take a 0:38:42.040 --> 0:38:44.319 look inside. What weren't you getting? What did you love 0:38:44.360 --> 0:38:46.759 about your relationship? What don't you love about your relationship? 0:38:47.160 --> 0:38:48.880 How's your chance to correct? So when we go on 0:38:48.920 --> 0:38:51.120 the Bachelor, we have a chance to talk to a therapists. 0:38:51.160 --> 0:38:53.960 Are there any therapists or a couple of therapists? Yeah? 0:38:54.120 --> 0:38:56.320 I think any reality show, I mean literally any of 0:38:56.400 --> 0:38:58.880 them has to has to responsibly have right. But I 0:38:58.920 --> 0:39:00.880 don't think Big Brother does well, I don't know, not 0:39:01.040 --> 0:39:04.640 during the show, not during filming. Um, we have somebody 0:39:04.719 --> 0:39:06.680 on call there if somebody needs to talk to them, 0:39:06.719 --> 0:39:09.279 they're there. And uh, and it's important to me too, 0:39:09.960 --> 0:39:12.239 you know. It's so funny it's a reality TV show. 0:39:12.320 --> 0:39:14.240 I may be the most gullible person on the island 0:39:14.280 --> 0:39:17.040 because i'd buy I'm like, I'm here for you. It's 0:39:17.080 --> 0:39:18.880 are we having a moment? That's good, that's what you need, 0:39:19.000 --> 0:39:23.400 that's what the yeah. And so I remember when I 0:39:23.440 --> 0:39:26.040 did Temptation Island back in the day. You guys are 0:39:26.080 --> 0:39:28.680 giving looks. I'm dining. I know the inside, like I 0:39:29.080 --> 0:39:30.960 still want to know what happens on the Bachelor. But 0:39:31.400 --> 0:39:34.120 for me, they're real people. They chose to come here 0:39:34.320 --> 0:39:37.000 is not something i'd be down for, but okay. And 0:39:37.160 --> 0:39:40.040 I literally say to them, look, whatever your reasons for 0:39:40.120 --> 0:39:42.440 coming here, are yours. I have no judgment. I'm just 0:39:42.560 --> 0:39:45.320 an advocate for you getting whatever did you thought you 0:39:45.400 --> 0:39:47.439 wanted out of this? So how long did they say 0:39:47.440 --> 0:39:48.960 on the island? I think it was about twenty eight 0:39:49.080 --> 0:39:52.439 days something like that. I wouldn't last twenty seconds, you'd 0:39:52.480 --> 0:39:55.520 be surprised, I'd say, for twenty days. I think that's 0:39:55.560 --> 0:40:00.799 a long time to be separated. Well, being MAUI single 0:40:00.920 --> 0:40:03.400 for twenty eight days, Thanks for carrying that burden for 0:40:03.520 --> 0:40:06.040 us that that'd be pretty easy, but this is deep. 0:40:06.120 --> 0:40:12.399 Thanks for caring that the four couples on here, they've 0:40:12.440 --> 0:40:15.279 all the the least amount of time that one couple 0:40:15.320 --> 0:40:17.120 has been together two and a half years. Every other 0:40:17.200 --> 0:40:19.719 couple has been together for more than that. I mean, 0:40:19.760 --> 0:40:22.640 these are serious relationships that people are putting on the line. 0:40:23.040 --> 0:40:25.120 And it's very curious for me because when I I 0:40:25.280 --> 0:40:27.000 I didn't watch the show as a kid, but I 0:40:27.080 --> 0:40:29.560 remember hearing all about it, and I just imagined, like 0:40:29.719 --> 0:40:32.920 couples that had been on and off for three months, 0:40:33.239 --> 0:40:35.360 that maybe had a kid together or something like that, 0:40:35.840 --> 0:40:38.680 that weren't going to make it. These are legitimate couples, 0:40:38.800 --> 0:40:40.479 So that was never the case. Then although one couple 0:40:40.520 --> 0:40:42.160 did have a kid, we found out we kicked them off. 0:40:42.600 --> 0:40:44.560 I know, I'm saying, as a kid never watched the show, 0:40:44.640 --> 0:40:47.320 I assumed it that way, and then watching this, this 0:40:48.120 --> 0:40:51.480 rebooted version, if you if you revamped version, if you 0:40:51.560 --> 0:40:54.480 call that, um, it's not like that at all. These 0:40:54.520 --> 0:40:56.960 are very legitimate couples. These are couples that have been 0:40:56.960 --> 0:40:59.200 a lot through a lot together. Well what I like 0:40:59.280 --> 0:41:03.399 about this as the original the original the cast was great, 0:41:03.480 --> 0:41:06.560 but they were young three something like that, and I 0:41:06.640 --> 0:41:08.440 know this sort of splitting hairs, but there's a big 0:41:08.440 --> 0:41:13.200 difference twenty three seven thirty, A lot has happened, and 0:41:13.320 --> 0:41:16.120 so you stopped dating for sport, you start dating as 0:41:16.160 --> 0:41:18.839 an audition. It's like, am I wasting my time? Right? 0:41:18.920 --> 0:41:22.279 And so when people are this many years into something 0:41:22.400 --> 0:41:25.359 and it's not going forward, you know, And I think 0:41:25.440 --> 0:41:27.960 that a lot of times young couples have a timeline 0:41:27.960 --> 0:41:29.320 of I want to be married by this time, I 0:41:29.400 --> 0:41:31.399 want to have a wedding by this time, and all 0:41:31.480 --> 0:41:34.520 that stuff, and that's not legit, it's not that's not 0:41:34.640 --> 0:41:38.680 how timeline poking me. Stop. I don't have a timeline. 0:41:39.520 --> 0:41:42.319 What are you getting me more than anyone I've ever 0:41:42.400 --> 0:41:44.400 met at a time? Now? Okay, So once after we 0:41:44.480 --> 0:41:46.279 were done doing an episode, I look at Dean. I'm like, Dean, 0:41:46.320 --> 0:41:47.920 why am I still single? Like why is it that 0:41:48.000 --> 0:41:51.000 I'm not? You know? He's like, what was your answer? Again? 0:41:51.080 --> 0:41:52.680 He's like, I think you're you're too much. You put 0:41:52.680 --> 0:41:54.279 a lot, you put a lot of pressure on on 0:41:54.880 --> 0:42:00.040 the situation, and it's it can come acrost one and 0:42:00.239 --> 0:42:03.560 thirty one. Yeah, no, I'm thirty one years old. I 0:42:03.719 --> 0:42:05.560 just and I was dating in l A just wasn't 0:42:05.560 --> 0:42:07.399 working out for me. I moved back to Montreal. I'm 0:42:07.440 --> 0:42:10.439 now like talking to someone who's absolutely wonderful and wants 0:42:10.480 --> 0:42:14.759 the same things as I do. Um. By the way, 0:42:15.440 --> 0:42:16.960 as soon as she dropped the dead weight and we 0:42:17.000 --> 0:42:24.239 figured out the chain, and so I don't think there 0:42:24.280 --> 0:42:26.120 was a timeline for me when I was in my 0:42:26.200 --> 0:42:29.439 early twenties. That whole thing I did, I'm really great 0:42:29.480 --> 0:42:32.480 at it. I'm great at doing interviews Mark. Um. So 0:42:35.920 --> 0:42:39.520 I'm just gonna fly back home now. Anyway, what were 0:42:39.560 --> 0:42:42.040 you saying? I'm sorry. I think when I was in 0:42:42.120 --> 0:42:44.400 my early twenties, I did have a timeline. I wanted 0:42:44.400 --> 0:42:46.239 to be married by twenty eight because I figured by 0:42:46.280 --> 0:42:47.880 thirty I can start having a kid and I have 0:42:48.000 --> 0:42:50.920 like two years of having fun as a married couple. 0:42:51.080 --> 0:42:53.759 But now I'm thirty one and I'm not married. I 0:42:53.920 --> 0:42:58.239 was engaged. That ended. Um. But I think for me, 0:42:58.360 --> 0:43:01.080 as a thirty one year old in a being in 0:43:01.120 --> 0:43:02.600 a couple, I don't know if I would be able 0:43:02.640 --> 0:43:04.800 to do a show like Temptation Island, because I'm like, 0:43:04.880 --> 0:43:09.440 I want to be able to either like or if 0:43:09.480 --> 0:43:13.040 your a couple having problems that you would sit down 0:43:13.080 --> 0:43:15.040 across from one another and say, look, we're having problems. 0:43:15.040 --> 0:43:16.960 When you discuss this or you get some help, some 0:43:17.080 --> 0:43:20.920 therapists do some counseling whatever that. So going to Temptation 0:43:21.000 --> 0:43:23.120 Island is solve your problems is not a choice I 0:43:23.160 --> 0:43:26.240 would suggest for anyone. It's like the couples are wrinkly shirts. 0:43:26.320 --> 0:43:29.200 Temptation Island is a steaming iron. Their hope is that 0:43:29.320 --> 0:43:31.360 the wrinkles are all gonna get pressed out by the 0:43:31.480 --> 0:43:33.200 end of it. Unfortunately, they're going to be wearing the 0:43:33.239 --> 0:43:36.840 shirts while we steam them. Here's the thing about it, 0:43:37.000 --> 0:43:39.120 and I say this to them. This is a bizarre, 0:43:39.400 --> 0:43:43.440 extreme experience. It's not something I would recommend, nor is 0:43:43.480 --> 0:43:47.320 it the best way for couples to deal with problems 0:43:47.360 --> 0:43:51.479 in the relationship. But I I believe this is my heart. 0:43:52.320 --> 0:43:54.920 If you if you were unsure and you come and 0:43:55.000 --> 0:43:57.279 do this Island thing, at the end of it, you're 0:43:57.280 --> 0:43:59.800 gonna be definitely clear how you feel. And I describe 0:43:59.800 --> 0:44:02.200 it this way. Go back to high school, middle school. 0:44:02.239 --> 0:44:05.480 You're going with somebody that's your girlfriend, and you break 0:44:05.560 --> 0:44:07.480 up because you think you can do better and whatever. 0:44:07.840 --> 0:44:09.319 And then the next day you see her at lunch 0:44:09.360 --> 0:44:12.120 sitting with somebody else, and you immediately flooded with everything 0:44:12.200 --> 0:44:15.120 you miss about her, everything glorious about her is right 0:44:15.160 --> 0:44:18.319 there in front of you. That perspective happens sometimes, right, 0:44:18.400 --> 0:44:20.640 So I keep saying, you come here with questions and 0:44:20.719 --> 0:44:23.280 you want answers. You're gonna get answers, but the questions 0:44:23.320 --> 0:44:26.239 will change, well, especially when you can watch. Like you said, 0:44:26.280 --> 0:44:28.600 they the couples get to see twenty two clips, however 0:44:28.680 --> 0:44:33.640 long that's crazy because I'm sure that significant other has 0:44:33.719 --> 0:44:35.560 no idea that the other person is going to see it. 0:44:35.640 --> 0:44:38.040 And so if you're you and the clip you're seeing 0:44:38.239 --> 0:44:40.800 is out of context, you don't know what. And I 0:44:40.920 --> 0:44:43.160 keep saying to them, it's not about what the context. 0:44:43.680 --> 0:44:46.080 This is not about you figuring out if they're cheating 0:44:46.120 --> 0:44:48.320 on you or not. What I say to them is, 0:44:48.360 --> 0:44:50.160 when you see a clip, you're gonna have a feeling 0:44:50.440 --> 0:44:52.640 or you're not gonna have a feeling, And both of 0:44:52.719 --> 0:44:54.840 those are answers. So if you see a clip of 0:44:54.960 --> 0:44:58.080 your girlfriend in the arms of a dude, and you 0:44:58.160 --> 0:45:00.480 can say to yourself, well, but that was probably stage 0:45:00.600 --> 0:45:04.239 or it was whatever. But if something doesn't viscerally come 0:45:04.320 --> 0:45:06.320 up for you, then you know where you are. You 0:45:06.360 --> 0:45:09.160 don't really care and if something does come up for you, 0:45:09.239 --> 0:45:11.240 that's something to look at. Wow, I got really jealous 0:45:11.320 --> 0:45:12.719 right there, and maybe I care more than I thought 0:45:12.719 --> 0:45:14.799 I did. Maybe I need to look at why I'm 0:45:14.840 --> 0:45:17.200 not treating this as special as it is for me now, 0:45:17.360 --> 0:45:20.600 or maybe you're getting jealous for some other reason. Exactly So, 0:45:20.719 --> 0:45:22.960 having done this show once before and seeing couples go 0:45:23.080 --> 0:45:25.880 through it, what advice did you give the couples for 0:45:25.960 --> 0:45:28.680 this upcoming season before they embarked on this journey. Well, 0:45:28.680 --> 0:45:30.040 first of all, I didn't see him until I met 0:45:30.120 --> 0:45:34.279 him on camera. Okay, so I And as far as 0:45:34.400 --> 0:45:36.760 like the whole thing goes like before they met the singles, 0:45:37.200 --> 0:45:39.600 let me rephrase that. Um, you meet the couples before 0:45:39.640 --> 0:45:41.799 they go off to the singles, but the day before, 0:45:41.920 --> 0:45:44.000 when we have our sort of get together, you have 0:45:44.040 --> 0:45:48.480 any advice, Not to give advice, because that's not my role. 0:45:48.719 --> 0:45:51.920 If they ask, I'm happy to share my experience and 0:45:52.040 --> 0:45:53.560 be real about it, and you'll see it in the 0:45:53.640 --> 0:45:56.160 first episode where I say stuff about my own life. 0:45:56.239 --> 0:45:58.600 But um, that's not my role. Man. I'm the host, 0:45:58.680 --> 0:46:00.920 so it's not my job to give advice. But what 0:46:01.000 --> 0:46:03.680 I do say to them is look you know, Yeah, 0:46:03.680 --> 0:46:05.640 I just remind them of the gravity of the situation. 0:46:05.680 --> 0:46:08.200 You're saying goodbye right now. And you may not, you 0:46:08.320 --> 0:46:10.840 may think this is whatever, but this think about this 0:46:11.000 --> 0:46:12.840 that when you kiss your girlfriend goodbye and maybe the 0:46:12.920 --> 0:46:15.960 last time you ever kiss her. So get your head 0:46:15.960 --> 0:46:18.640 around that. Mark, quick question for you. Yeah, are there 0:46:18.640 --> 0:46:21.160 any virgins on this season of Temptation Island? Um? I 0:46:21.280 --> 0:46:24.359 understand that's the big buzz phrase now in the bastination. Um. 0:46:24.840 --> 0:46:28.719 I did not do a clinical test of virginity clinic so, um, 0:46:29.320 --> 0:46:31.000 I really am not at liberty to say, nor do 0:46:31.120 --> 0:46:33.920 I know if that if there's virtue or not. I 0:46:34.040 --> 0:46:35.239 was just wondering if you had to have the birds 0:46:35.280 --> 0:46:37.480 and Birds and Beest talk with any of the contestants 0:46:37.520 --> 0:46:39.880 this here but sounds like no, although I'm willing to 0:46:39.920 --> 0:46:41.680 have it with you guys now, if there's anything you're 0:46:41.800 --> 0:46:45.280 confused about, I think we we've already seen the Bachelor episodes, 0:46:45.360 --> 0:46:48.160 so we've had plenty of virgion talking. Um. Well, Mark, 0:46:48.200 --> 0:46:50.399 thank you so much. Coming in. This was incredible. Let's 0:46:50.520 --> 0:46:52.440 where can we see Temptationland? When does it? When does 0:46:52.480 --> 0:46:53.840 it come out? Oh, it's not for TV. I just 0:46:53.920 --> 0:46:57.360 did as a social Yeah, this is for your private collection, 0:46:57.440 --> 0:47:01.000 like it's like on my Instagram, so so awesome. Uh No, 0:47:01.640 --> 0:47:06.600 we air Tuesday's Tuesday o'clock first episode January fift which 0:47:06.640 --> 0:47:10.440 is tomorrow depending on when this but Tuesday, January. And um, 0:47:10.920 --> 0:47:13.520 the first episode is already streaming on YouTube. And what 0:47:13.600 --> 0:47:15.040 do you guys do that? Why do you stream on YouTube? 0:47:15.040 --> 0:47:17.760 And then just for fun, I haven't made a decision 0:47:17.920 --> 0:47:21.080 in my career since I decided that we can watch 0:47:21.160 --> 0:47:26.520 the first episode before before it's on YouTube. The first episode, 0:47:26.600 --> 0:47:31.000 this episode that airs on Tuesday, January is already out. Yeah, 0:47:31.120 --> 0:47:32.439 and then are they gonna do back to back? Maybe 0:47:32.440 --> 0:47:35.160 episode one in episode two or then well next tonight toorn, 0:47:35.280 --> 0:47:37.200 you're gonna see only episode one in the tease of 0:47:37.280 --> 0:47:39.800 episode two and then episode two will be on. But 0:47:39.960 --> 0:47:41.680 I gotta tell you something, you guys. I mean, and 0:47:42.120 --> 0:47:43.640 I know I'm supposed to sell a show and tell 0:47:43.640 --> 0:47:45.759 you why you should watch, But if you like The 0:47:45.840 --> 0:47:48.000 Bachelor and my family watches it, By the way, my 0:47:48.120 --> 0:47:50.160 daughter feels like I'm sitting with royalty right now. So 0:47:50.200 --> 0:47:52.440 shout out to Goldie Walburg. Big ups to Golden in 0:47:52.520 --> 0:47:56.520 Kansas City. Keep it real for the family. I saw 0:47:56.719 --> 0:47:58.640 video that your dad took of you dancing, and you 0:47:58.680 --> 0:48:01.719 are an incredible dance. Yeah, she's she's a good deal. Yeah. 0:48:02.000 --> 0:48:04.480 And my son's out. That's why I laugh at all 0:48:04.520 --> 0:48:06.279 this because my son has a real job. He's a 0:48:06.360 --> 0:48:08.879 Navy pilot in the Persian Gulf right now, I'm doing 0:48:08.960 --> 0:48:12.839 that and single, by the way, um, and so sorry, 0:48:14.200 --> 0:48:15.799 you're not chopped liver, but you gotta step up your 0:48:15.840 --> 0:48:19.160 game and clothes gold goldie single. But just because you 0:48:19.200 --> 0:48:21.040 have the license doesn't mean you could drive a ferrari 0:48:21.840 --> 0:48:26.040 al right, so you know. And his son Morgan, he 0:48:26.120 --> 0:48:27.960 showed me videos of him flying. He's a bad as 0:48:29.520 --> 0:48:34.560 I'm dating someone. We'll get to that. You need to 0:48:34.560 --> 0:48:38.200 book some time. But I will say this, The Bachelor 0:48:38.320 --> 0:48:40.600 is an incredible show, so you need to watch that 0:48:40.680 --> 0:48:44.440 on Monday nights. It's awesome. But temptation is for Tuesdays, right, 0:48:44.600 --> 0:48:47.480 and it is temptation to you love. If you love reality, 0:48:47.520 --> 0:48:49.759 you love dating, I think we give you everything. And 0:48:49.800 --> 0:48:55.120 that's on USA NETWORKSODES. Yeah, the first episode tomorrow, but 0:48:55.160 --> 0:48:56.640 it was off the hook. They added in an episode 0:48:56.680 --> 0:48:58.400 so nice. I got my Tuesday nights for the next 0:48:58.440 --> 0:49:00.560 three months planned out. Now it's perfect. Let's check in. 0:49:00.680 --> 0:49:02.400 I'll come and chat with you guys and see how 0:49:02.840 --> 0:49:06.799 this relationship of yours is going. Mark. No, I'm all 0:49:06.880 --> 0:49:08.839 for it. I want you to be happy. Maybe you'll 0:49:08.840 --> 0:49:13.560 see Ansa on next year's episode and I'll be one 0:49:13.560 --> 0:49:18.399 of those singles. Okay, it's take it easy. I look 0:49:18.400 --> 0:49:20.439 forward to that. I can make some predictions right here 0:49:20.560 --> 0:49:22.040 if you want, but I'm gonna let that off. Mark. 0:49:22.080 --> 0:49:23.640 Thank you so much for coming in studio with us. 0:49:23.680 --> 0:49:26.759 We really appreciate it. We're looking forward to Temptation Island again, 0:49:26.800 --> 0:49:31.399 that's on USA Network. Appreciating that central Um. Yeah, man, thanks, 0:49:31.520 --> 0:49:33.040 thanks so much for being here. Thank you for the 0:49:33.080 --> 0:49:36.080 free water and the conversation. It was fun anytime you 0:49:36.080 --> 0:49:38.400 guys have heard us talk about it before. 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So almost everybody is born the 0:51:45.880 --> 0:51:49.560 ability to digest dairy products, but unfortunately, as I get older, 0:51:49.640 --> 0:51:51.920 my stomach is not able to handle ice cream. The 0:51:51.960 --> 0:51:53.960 same way that it used to. So you can take 0:51:54.000 --> 0:51:55.359 twenty three and me and you can find out if 0:51:55.360 --> 0:51:57.600 you have a genetic variant that makes you unlikely to 0:51:57.680 --> 0:51:59.640 be lactose intolerant. So I kind of need to find 0:51:59.680 --> 0:52:01.520 that out because I think Ashley is pretty much tired 0:52:01.560 --> 0:52:03.600 of smelling my hearts. If my stomach, if my stomach 0:52:03.640 --> 0:52:05.759 couldn't handle ice cream, I would I don't know what 0:52:05.800 --> 0:52:09.120 I would do it. I love Darry, I love ice 0:52:09.160 --> 0:52:13.640 cream milk. I drink coffee milk. It's like a Rhode 0:52:13.640 --> 0:52:17.040 Island thing. It's like it's milk. But then, anyways, by 0:52:17.120 --> 0:52:20.560 your Tyree and Me Health and An Ancestry Kit today 0:52:20.680 --> 0:52:24.640 at three dot com slash Dean. That's the number two, 0:52:25.000 --> 0:52:29.160 the number three and me dot com slash Dean again, 0:52:29.200 --> 0:52:32.239 that's two three and me dot com slash Dean. Get 0:52:32.320 --> 0:52:34.719 your twenty three and Me ancestry plus health kit. It's 0:52:34.840 --> 0:52:37.200 it's really just fun to learn these things about you. 0:52:37.280 --> 0:52:38.920 I'm excited to for Vanessa to get her so we 0:52:38.920 --> 0:52:42.960 can finally start diving a little bit more into your background. Yeah, 0:52:43.440 --> 0:52:45.920 raise the roof, let's go dot com slash Dean check 0:52:45.920 --> 0:52:48.600 it out. Okay, So I'm a little bit nervous. Why 0:52:48.920 --> 0:52:52.680 because of your reaction from last week's episode, No, your 0:52:52.719 --> 0:52:55.399 reaction to um a guest that's going to be walking 0:52:55.480 --> 0:52:57.880 in shortly, So Dean, why would you have a reaction 0:52:57.920 --> 0:53:00.879 to Chad Chad Johnson coming on? Well, we all know Chad. 0:53:01.160 --> 0:53:04.360 Chad is a pretty compelling figure from the different polarizing 0:53:04.400 --> 0:53:07.480 theaters at least, But is he Because I feel like, 0:53:07.600 --> 0:53:12.040 what's his name? From last Jordan Jordan's Kimball, right, is 0:53:12.080 --> 0:53:13.759 that his name? I probably feel the sameay about Jordan's. 0:53:13.760 --> 0:53:16.640 I know he's met Jordan's two different people. I'm not 0:53:16.719 --> 0:53:22.080 saying one's bad or one's Jordan was like very out 0:53:22.160 --> 0:53:24.440 there on his season and met him in person, and 0:53:24.560 --> 0:53:28.120 he's like he's I found to be very quiet. Jordans 0:53:28.120 --> 0:53:31.480 really did anything. My thing is I'm I'm not comparing 0:53:31.520 --> 0:53:33.200 the two, and I think like Chad has more of 0:53:33.320 --> 0:53:37.160 um bad bad boy. I'm teetering with the idea of 0:53:37.239 --> 0:53:39.840 even walking out for this interview with Chad totally because 0:53:39.880 --> 0:53:42.520 of the fact that he the way that he treats 0:53:42.560 --> 0:53:45.759 Sarah Herron on Bachelor Paradise is the one most It's 0:53:45.760 --> 0:53:47.279 one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen in 0:53:47.360 --> 0:53:49.319 my life. And it's just like, how do I sit 0:53:49.400 --> 0:53:52.480 here and and genuinely interview someone that was so like 0:53:53.200 --> 0:53:57.160 rude and and just write mean to someone. So I'm 0:53:57.200 --> 0:53:59.960 so neutral because I don't know anything about what happened. 0:54:00.000 --> 0:54:04.920 And Sarah here and is the one with the right 0:54:05.320 --> 0:54:08.480 and Chad is very very vocal about her physical impairment, 0:54:08.520 --> 0:54:09.800 and it's just like, you see something like that, it's like, 0:54:09.840 --> 0:54:11.239 how the how the hell are you going to go 0:54:11.440 --> 0:54:14.600 out and like and like pointing her out and just 0:54:14.719 --> 0:54:17.920 like criticize her for for that type of thing. And 0:54:17.960 --> 0:54:19.719 then and then I kicked off Paradise like the next day, 0:54:19.719 --> 0:54:22.759 which is great, Like thank god Chris Harrison kicked him off. Um, 0:54:22.800 --> 0:54:24.520 and then like you see the way that he treats 0:54:24.560 --> 0:54:27.279 women like he's a bit of a misogynist. And look, 0:54:28.120 --> 0:54:30.880 I'm I can be a douchebag sometimes too, but at 0:54:30.920 --> 0:54:32.759 least at the end of the day, it's coming from 0:54:32.800 --> 0:54:35.759 a place of like I don't I'm never I'm never 0:54:36.360 --> 0:54:40.200 intentionally at least hurting anyone, you know, whether it's whatever 0:54:40.239 --> 0:54:42.040 it is, I don't know. It's just like to see 0:54:42.040 --> 0:54:43.600 stuff like that, it really just kind of irks me. 0:54:43.880 --> 0:54:46.200 Maybe he's changed. I don't know. I also hope, so 0:54:46.920 --> 0:54:49.440 I would also advocate for you not to walk out 0:54:49.480 --> 0:54:52.759 of the interview because I think whoever, I've always believe 0:54:52.800 --> 0:54:55.000 this in my life, whoever just doesn't show up is 0:54:55.000 --> 0:54:57.719 always the loser, coward. Sure, exactly, So I don't think 0:54:57.760 --> 0:54:59.680 there's anything wrong with you sitting down with him. And 0:55:00.160 --> 0:55:03.320 and I met him before two once. And before I 0:55:03.400 --> 0:55:05.200 met him, I think we met like the after party 0:55:05.280 --> 0:55:09.239 my uh a bachelorette reunion whatever it was, and I 0:55:09.360 --> 0:55:11.400 was I had been drinking a little bit, and I 0:55:11.520 --> 0:55:12.960 just have heard the worst stories about him, and so 0:55:13.040 --> 0:55:14.839 he like introduced himself to me, and I didn't give 0:55:14.880 --> 0:55:16.560 him the time of day because I was like, look, 0:55:16.560 --> 0:55:17.920 I've heard all I need to hear about you. I 0:55:17.920 --> 0:55:21.640 don't even want to encourage or like, uh, enabled like 0:55:21.680 --> 0:55:23.719 any type of conversation between this. So so he was 0:55:23.760 --> 0:55:26.280 on jojo seas, I'm just gonna say, coming into this interview, 0:55:26.320 --> 0:55:28.320 he's going to probably love both of you and be 0:55:28.560 --> 0:55:30.640 very very cold in my direction. I was going, hold on, 0:55:30.760 --> 0:55:33.360 don't give off like any I don't think. Don't allow 0:55:33.480 --> 0:55:34.840 him to do that either. I think it would be 0:55:34.840 --> 0:55:36.719 a great and Yang situation. If you two are great 0:55:36.760 --> 0:55:38.840 and gracious and warm and welcome. Well, no, I'm like, 0:55:39.000 --> 0:55:42.640 I'm very interacted. Well, I've also met Chad a few times, 0:55:42.719 --> 0:55:45.160 and I will say in person, he's very Well that 0:55:45.760 --> 0:55:48.200 is that not the definition of a manipulative person? Someone 0:55:48.239 --> 0:55:49.960 that can turn it on and make you like them 0:55:50.000 --> 0:55:51.960 and be charismatic and then at the flip of a 0:55:52.040 --> 0:55:55.279 switch be someone that is just an utter wild card. 0:55:55.440 --> 0:55:58.279 And and and I Cannon, I think you should ask 0:55:58.360 --> 0:55:59.920 him that. Well, I wonder what side he's going to 0:56:00.000 --> 0:56:03.000 show today. Just give me some consistency, Like that's all 0:56:03.000 --> 0:56:05.080 I'm asking. Right, If you're gonna be nice, be nice. 0:56:05.080 --> 0:56:06.719 If you're gonna be a douche, be a douche, but 0:56:06.800 --> 0:56:08.239 don't be nice when you need to be nice and 0:56:08.280 --> 0:56:09.520 then be a douche one. But do you feel like 0:56:09.600 --> 0:56:11.520 he was a douche because he was? He was on camera? 0:56:11.560 --> 0:56:12.799 And you know how you can have like a different 0:56:12.840 --> 0:56:16.640 persona that comes out when you camera. You're gonna say 0:56:16.680 --> 0:56:18.320 you're gonna be a douche on camera and let the 0:56:18.360 --> 0:56:20.920 world see your douche side rather than see your nice side. Well, no, 0:56:21.040 --> 0:56:23.080 I feel like that's a sense like there's a there's 0:56:23.080 --> 0:56:24.880 a level of insecurity there where you feel like you 0:56:24.960 --> 0:56:27.000 have to be that macho guy and your But if 0:56:27.000 --> 0:56:28.640 I'm going on camera, I'm going to show the camera 0:56:28.760 --> 0:56:31.720 my best possible side, not my douche side that everyone 0:56:31.760 --> 0:56:32.880 in the world, well, why don't we? I want to 0:56:32.920 --> 0:56:35.880 ask him? I have zero ideas. Oh and look who 0:56:36.080 --> 0:56:44.719 just walked in, Mr Chad Johnson himself. Welcome, So thank 0:56:44.800 --> 0:56:48.040 you for joining us. We appreciate it. Here for people 0:56:48.080 --> 0:56:50.920 who don't know who you are, can you give us 0:56:50.920 --> 0:56:54.680 a little bio, a little background. I'm basically like the 0:56:54.800 --> 0:56:57.480 really bad guy from the show. Are you a bad guy? Though? 0:56:57.600 --> 0:57:00.040 I don't think so now. I think I kind of 0:57:00.120 --> 0:57:03.120 fell into like a bit of a pit on that show. 0:57:03.640 --> 0:57:06.560 So you were on The Bachelor, Wrette Bachelorette on Joe 0:57:06.640 --> 0:57:09.400 Joe's season, and then Bachelor in Paradise was that episode? 0:57:09.520 --> 0:57:12.799 Uh season? I was on your Yeah, we were in three, 0:57:13.560 --> 0:57:17.960 and so that's it. Bachelard Paradise has that many little seasons. Well, 0:57:18.040 --> 0:57:20.360 Paradise is on its fifth season this year, yeah, but 0:57:20.520 --> 0:57:23.680 going on six this coming was five, Yeah, and then 0:57:23.800 --> 0:57:26.080 Chad was on three and then Dean obviously, Well the 0:57:26.120 --> 0:57:29.280 fourth one was a little bit of chaotic situation, to 0:57:29.360 --> 0:57:30.840 put it lightly, kind of like the black sheep of 0:57:30.840 --> 0:57:33.400 the family. That four very much is that this season 0:57:33.480 --> 0:57:37.000 you're on Dean. Well, it was not because of obviously, 0:57:37.040 --> 0:57:38.600 it was because of a different situation. But we have 0:57:38.760 --> 0:57:41.840 Chad in in studio because Chad, you are currently on 0:57:42.720 --> 0:57:50.800 X on on the Beach. I knew that I was 0:57:50.840 --> 0:57:52.280 just staring at Chad and I got lost in your 0:57:52.440 --> 0:57:53.880 It was actually really handing high in the hills. So 0:57:53.920 --> 0:57:55.360 I don't know why it's on the beach. It's like, 0:57:55.920 --> 0:57:59.240 it is there a beach that you guys, there's a 0:57:59.280 --> 0:58:02.080 beach which just look like an exceptionally long time to 0:58:02.160 --> 0:58:04.480 get to it, you know what I mean? Well, I 0:58:04.560 --> 0:58:07.280 think they call it that because the x Is show 0:58:07.400 --> 0:58:10.240 up while you guys are on the beach, right, yeah, probably? 0:58:10.320 --> 0:58:12.720 So all right, okay, so how long this is? Like? 0:58:12.800 --> 0:58:17.120 What season two? Yeah? Okay, so how did you get 0:58:17.200 --> 0:58:19.600 on X on the Beach? Because if season one has 0:58:19.640 --> 0:58:22.080 happened already, don't you know that you're going on a 0:58:22.160 --> 0:58:24.840 show that your exes are showing up too? I mean 0:58:25.000 --> 0:58:26.440 you kind of get a little bit of an inkling 0:58:26.480 --> 0:58:29.800 when they start asking you for exes. But well, so 0:58:29.920 --> 0:58:32.200 when you you applied for the show, well because they 0:58:32.200 --> 0:58:34.440 asked you about your exes, and but you're assuming that 0:58:34.640 --> 0:58:36.600 you're still going. I didn't apply for it. Basically, I 0:58:36.680 --> 0:58:39.720 have like a manager who, um knew of me because 0:58:39.760 --> 0:58:41.800 he worked with like Chase and Robbie and all those dudes, 0:58:42.040 --> 0:58:44.560 so I knew of me. It was basically like, hey, 0:58:44.920 --> 0:58:47.120 they did this show, do you want to go do it? 0:58:47.640 --> 0:58:50.000 You know, like, I have an opportunity for this unscripted 0:58:50.000 --> 0:58:51.840 and it's called X on the Beach. It's called what 0:58:51.960 --> 0:58:54.320 they say it was called untitled dating reality. So there's 0:58:54.320 --> 0:58:55.840 always this like you want to keep that in the 0:58:55.880 --> 0:58:57.440 back of your mind, like maybe it's just we're going 0:58:57.520 --> 0:59:00.280 to like hang out and meet people. Well I leave 0:59:00.320 --> 0:59:04.200 that because so last year, um, I got a call 0:59:04.840 --> 0:59:07.920 from an email from m MTV saying that they were 0:59:07.960 --> 0:59:11.120 doing this new dating show called the Beach and it 0:59:11.240 --> 0:59:13.640 was a dating show and they wanted to talk to 0:59:13.680 --> 0:59:15.960 me about it and blah blah blah blah blah. And 0:59:16.120 --> 0:59:18.360 then long story short, all of a sudden, MTV I 0:59:18.440 --> 0:59:22.440 see like six months later so that they had X 0:59:22.520 --> 0:59:25.040 on the Beach, and I think that was the same thing. 0:59:25.720 --> 0:59:27.880 So did they did they ask you that you want 0:59:27.960 --> 0:59:30.720 to do this dating show? And they just kind of, well, 0:59:30.760 --> 0:59:32.400 I asked about your exes, and they weren't going to 0:59:32.440 --> 0:59:35.000 tell you explicitly, Hey, by the way, once you're here, 0:59:35.160 --> 0:59:37.360 that X that you brought up is coming on the show. 0:59:37.480 --> 0:59:40.080 To be honest, I talked to MTV like five times 0:59:40.160 --> 0:59:42.800 before about like like, hey, we have a project, like 0:59:43.200 --> 0:59:44.760 maybe you'll want to do it. And so I go 0:59:44.880 --> 0:59:47.080 through the process of talking to them about who I 0:59:47.160 --> 0:59:49.400 am and what I like and what I do and stuff, 0:59:49.640 --> 0:59:52.040 and ended at like five separate times and never really 0:59:52.040 --> 0:59:54.720 turned into anything. So this time I didn't even honestly 0:59:54.760 --> 0:59:56.360 really like look into what it could be. I was 0:59:56.480 --> 0:59:58.760 just like, al right, what questions do you have? What 0:59:58.880 --> 1:00:00.960 can I answer? Like? What's up? What you need to 1:00:01.000 --> 1:00:03.120 know about me? And give me a call if you 1:00:03.160 --> 1:00:07.040 want me to show up. That's a big question. It's 1:00:07.040 --> 1:00:09.200 a big question to be asked. So what ultimately made 1:00:09.240 --> 1:00:12.360 you say yes? Um, I don't know. I mean, I 1:00:12.400 --> 1:00:14.160 guess it was just like curious at the time, you know, 1:00:14.200 --> 1:00:15.720 I kind of kind of want to show another side 1:00:15.760 --> 1:00:18.440 of myself because the only side of myself that was 1:00:18.440 --> 1:00:21.000 ever shown on The Bachelor was like me just you know, 1:00:21.120 --> 1:00:22.720 like I right after the show, my mom had passed 1:00:22.840 --> 1:00:24.920 right before, so I was coming through all this like anger, 1:00:25.560 --> 1:00:27.360 and I was drinking a lot at that time, and 1:00:27.440 --> 1:00:29.560 so it was like I wanted this opportunity to show 1:00:30.280 --> 1:00:33.480 what I'm actually like, you know, versus like, hey, here's 1:00:33.560 --> 1:00:36.080 me in the worst mood I've ever been in. Isn't 1:00:36.120 --> 1:00:38.160 that scary because your your image is always in the 1:00:38.240 --> 1:00:40.360 hands of the producers, right you don't know what side 1:00:40.720 --> 1:00:42.360 you can show, like your best side all the time, 1:00:42.440 --> 1:00:44.160 and then they're like, oh, you show like this one 1:00:44.240 --> 1:00:47.680 snippet of like like an angry version of yourself for 1:00:47.960 --> 1:00:49.920 like a sad version of yourself, and that's like what 1:00:50.000 --> 1:00:52.960 they're gonna keep going with. Absolutely, I mean it's you 1:00:53.120 --> 1:00:54.520 kind of just have to throw that to the wind 1:00:54.560 --> 1:00:56.880 and just like hope for the best, just always like, hey, 1:00:57.480 --> 1:00:59.720 here's me. I hope that you don't screw me, like 1:01:00.120 --> 1:01:02.840 for you know, it's interesting that you say that because 1:01:02.880 --> 1:01:05.640 I watched an episode and I'm not saying this in 1:01:05.680 --> 1:01:07.840 a derogatory term, but you weren't featured as much as 1:01:07.880 --> 1:01:11.400 I expected you to be, and I'm curious if that's 1:01:11.480 --> 1:01:14.720 because you were a little bit more laxed, That's what 1:01:14.840 --> 1:01:16.800 I'm curious about. I don't know if it's because of 1:01:16.920 --> 1:01:19.840 that or um, if they're gonna end up showing me 1:01:19.840 --> 1:01:22.479 a lot more near the end, or because there's there's 1:01:22.480 --> 1:01:24.400 a bunch of casts and a lot of people were 1:01:24.400 --> 1:01:27.400 getting into these stupid fights that I specifically was like, 1:01:27.480 --> 1:01:28.880 I don't I don't want to get involved in that. 1:01:29.000 --> 1:01:31.520 Like you guys, they literally didn't know what they're fighting about. 1:01:31.560 --> 1:01:33.600 It was just people who like, I want to be 1:01:33.680 --> 1:01:35.160 loud at you. I want to be loud at you, 1:01:35.360 --> 1:01:37.200 and I would just be like, no, not. I think 1:01:37.200 --> 1:01:39.240 people take the mindset of the ladder you speak, the 1:01:39.320 --> 1:01:42.280 more airtime you think you're gonna get exactly, And like, 1:01:42.400 --> 1:01:44.200 my whole thing is if I'm actually mad at something, 1:01:44.480 --> 1:01:46.440 that will be mad at it. If something is actually 1:01:46.480 --> 1:01:49.080 like I have a problem or situation, I'm gonna address it, 1:01:49.120 --> 1:01:50.840 but I'm not gonna go out of my way, which 1:01:50.920 --> 1:01:53.080 is my whole thing on The Bachelor too, because when 1:01:53.120 --> 1:01:54.800 you watch it back, yeah, yeah, I did a lot 1:01:54.840 --> 1:01:57.040 of screwed up stuff, but at the same time, everything 1:01:57.120 --> 1:01:59.520 that happened to me was happening to me because someone 1:01:59.600 --> 1:02:02.880 else was coming to me. I'm just a reactor and 1:02:02.920 --> 1:02:04.320 so I don't go out of my way to ever 1:02:04.440 --> 1:02:06.960 like cause anything Like I just kind of like sometimes 1:02:07.000 --> 1:02:08.920 I react and because I don't want to be involved 1:02:08.960 --> 1:02:11.680 in the situation, I might blow up because I'm like, 1:02:11.760 --> 1:02:13.680 I don't want to be involved in this. I will 1:02:13.720 --> 1:02:16.760 say from the Bachelor time with Joe Joe, it seemed 1:02:16.760 --> 1:02:19.920 like Alex seemed to provoke a bit, right, That's that's 1:02:19.960 --> 1:02:22.959 kind of the main instigator was Um and I feel 1:02:22.960 --> 1:02:25.360 like every every season we'll have that one instigator and 1:02:25.400 --> 1:02:27.320 then the reactor. As you said, like I think, uh, 1:02:27.600 --> 1:02:30.480 last season you saw Jordan David like Jordan was in 1:02:30.600 --> 1:02:33.240 essentially Chad's position, and then David was approaching Jordan all 1:02:33.240 --> 1:02:35.520 the time before that, it was like Blake and waboom. 1:02:36.760 --> 1:02:39.920 I I agree. It's usually the instigator that comes up, 1:02:40.040 --> 1:02:44.680 but the other person not gets villainized but is more polarizing. 1:02:45.360 --> 1:02:47.720 Is there anything that you did that you regret because 1:02:47.760 --> 1:02:53.640 I never watched. Yeah, I will say the one thing 1:02:53.720 --> 1:02:57.920 that the one TV moment that really like jaded me 1:02:58.240 --> 1:03:01.640 was the Bachelor Paradise Sarah Hartt interaction. That only one 1:03:01.680 --> 1:03:02.919 thing that I saw, and I was like, I didn't 1:03:02.960 --> 1:03:04.880 even know I did that too. That was the one thing. 1:03:04.920 --> 1:03:08.800 When I saw it, I was like, dude, oh my god. 1:03:08.960 --> 1:03:12.600 And then and then publicly apologized I did it publicly. 1:03:12.720 --> 1:03:15.680 I did it like quietly. Then I had to like 1:03:15.800 --> 1:03:18.320 redo it, and then eventually I did it. Kind of 1:03:18.360 --> 1:03:20.000 got annoying to a point because she kept making me 1:03:20.040 --> 1:03:22.000 apologize and I was like, I can't, yeah, I can't 1:03:22.000 --> 1:03:24.560 do anymore. Like I'm sorry, I didn't know I did it. 1:03:24.760 --> 1:03:26.840 One of the one of the first Within the first 1:03:26.840 --> 1:03:28.280 couple of minutes of you have you seen down and talking, 1:03:28.320 --> 1:03:30.160 you're saying how obviously you were dealing with the loss 1:03:30.240 --> 1:03:31.840 of your mother, and then how you were drinking heavily, 1:03:31.840 --> 1:03:33.480 and you like hear that and you're like, okay, well 1:03:33.800 --> 1:03:35.840 it doesn't necessarily excuse the actions, but it's like, okay, 1:03:36.000 --> 1:03:39.320 that helps make sense of it a little bit. Yeah. Well, 1:03:39.360 --> 1:03:42.240 I also think because I have not a theory about 1:03:42.280 --> 1:03:45.280 you by any chance of imagination, but every time I've 1:03:45.280 --> 1:03:47.280 met I've only met you a handful of times, if at, 1:03:47.760 --> 1:03:50.160 but every time I've had a human interaction with you, 1:03:50.520 --> 1:03:55.280 you are very warm and kind and and uh, engaging 1:03:55.360 --> 1:03:59.760 and conversational and the complete antithesis of what people just 1:04:00.000 --> 1:04:02.720 imagine you to be. And so I'm curious, like at 1:04:02.800 --> 1:04:04.320 that time when you were on Batchelor and Batch on 1:04:04.360 --> 1:04:07.600 Paradise and you were going through difficult times, Um, I 1:04:07.720 --> 1:04:12.280 wonder if maybe you were not loving, yeah, loving the 1:04:12.320 --> 1:04:15.600 attention like we all do, and maybe built up in 1:04:15.680 --> 1:04:17.800 your head to be like, how do I really keep 1:04:17.880 --> 1:04:20.320 not keep this going? But like I want to, you know, 1:04:20.560 --> 1:04:23.200 make I want to rattle some cages. I mean after 1:04:23.440 --> 1:04:25.640 after it was like, so I like everybody unless you 1:04:25.680 --> 1:04:28.480 don't like me, in which case I'm probably well I'm 1:04:28.480 --> 1:04:31.280 like cut. But anyway, so like when I realized that, 1:04:31.360 --> 1:04:33.480 like I had no shot with anybody more in terms 1:04:33.520 --> 1:04:35.400 of like even just being friends, it was like, all right, 1:04:35.400 --> 1:04:37.040 we'll screw you. You don't be my friend. Now I'm 1:04:37.040 --> 1:04:39.560 gonna blast you, like and I just didn't know what 1:04:39.720 --> 1:04:41.280 to do with everything, and it was almost like I 1:04:41.400 --> 1:04:43.960 was hurt. So I was like lashing out by trying 1:04:44.000 --> 1:04:47.440 to piss everyone else on the beach. Then, so this 1:04:47.720 --> 1:04:49.960 this is the second season on the Beach. Yeah, second season, 1:04:50.040 --> 1:04:52.040 second and first season if I remember correctly, had Chase 1:04:52.080 --> 1:04:56.600 and Jasmine on it right or after the um No, 1:04:56.800 --> 1:04:58.520 but I had the same managers Chase, so I know 1:04:58.600 --> 1:05:01.080 a little bit. I know he didn't like his whole 1:05:01.120 --> 1:05:03.240 outcome because he was so used to, like, you know, 1:05:03.400 --> 1:05:05.040 I guess if you're your loved or hated, you get 1:05:05.040 --> 1:05:07.040 a little bit used to whatever it is, and so 1:05:07.160 --> 1:05:09.280 he didn't like the backlash he got. It's almost better 1:05:09.320 --> 1:05:11.919 to be hated at first, because then there's only all right, yeah, 1:05:12.080 --> 1:05:18.240 you guys all started off wrong suckers, so super loved 1:05:18.320 --> 1:05:24.040 and then being so hated and then everyone's kind of impartiful. Yeah. Yeah, 1:05:24.160 --> 1:05:25.840 it's it's a bit different to watch it back and 1:05:25.840 --> 1:05:28.000 we'll be watching everything and it's like, oh, people are 1:05:28.040 --> 1:05:31.200 seeing that, like I'm not actually just like this angry person. 1:05:31.520 --> 1:05:33.840 Who who is your ex that showed up on the beach? Um, 1:05:35.040 --> 1:05:38.600 I don't know, I don't know about that. Yeah, yeah 1:05:38.680 --> 1:05:40.560 she'll show up. So you go on making you well 1:05:40.640 --> 1:05:42.080 known that you want to be in a in a 1:05:42.160 --> 1:05:44.680 real relationship, all right, exactly. This is my first time 1:05:44.720 --> 1:05:46.480 to ever, like, you know, mean before when I first 1:05:46.520 --> 1:05:48.000 went on the Bachelor, it was kind of like at 1:05:48.040 --> 1:05:50.520 that time, everybody was doing branding and all this stuff. 1:05:50.640 --> 1:05:54.800 How old are you now? One? So now we look good? 1:05:55.840 --> 1:05:58.120 Thank you you're older. I thought you were younger than 1:05:58.880 --> 1:06:01.440 I normally get. The older people think I'm like thirty 1:06:01.480 --> 1:06:03.040 five because I used to smoke and drink a lot. 1:06:03.360 --> 1:06:06.040 You're I mean, you're like, yeah, I don't know why 1:06:06.040 --> 1:06:17.120 I'm complimenting some much chat family podcast, um, but but yeah, 1:06:17.160 --> 1:06:19.120 being I think being at my age now, eventually it's like, 1:06:19.160 --> 1:06:21.160 you know, I've gone through so much of like I 1:06:21.280 --> 1:06:23.720 put in so much work, through all the TV stuff 1:06:23.760 --> 1:06:26.439 and trying to capitalize on everything and doing everything I could. 1:06:27.080 --> 1:06:30.600 I haven't dated, honestly really since since the Bachelorette, and 1:06:30.720 --> 1:06:33.440 this was my first opportunity to actually like give it 1:06:33.480 --> 1:06:37.400 another shot. You haven't dated because the opportunity hasn't presented itself, 1:06:37.720 --> 1:06:42.240 or you just weren't into like actually dating someone seriously, honestly, 1:06:42.240 --> 1:06:43.880 it was just that I'm like a workaholic, Like I 1:06:44.000 --> 1:06:46.600 was just trying to I wanted to be super successful 1:06:46.640 --> 1:06:48.320 so that that way, whenever I did have a family, 1:06:48.360 --> 1:06:50.760 I could like give my kids and family everything, and 1:06:50.800 --> 1:06:52.400 so I just wanted to make sure, like I almost 1:06:52.400 --> 1:06:54.760 consider it like the shitty of my life is now like, 1:06:54.880 --> 1:06:56.680 the better it's going to be later because I'm working 1:06:56.760 --> 1:06:59.400 every day. I'm doing everything I can. I was creating 1:06:59.400 --> 1:07:02.200 all these business is, doing podcasting, doing everything, you know, 1:07:02.600 --> 1:07:04.840 and so it's like anytime you know, you're dating somebody, 1:07:04.880 --> 1:07:06.320 you have like if you have a fight, you have 1:07:06.400 --> 1:07:09.040 an issue, you can't stop thinking about it, and it 1:07:09.120 --> 1:07:11.760 almost like controls your day. And so I just thought, 1:07:11.800 --> 1:07:13.120 if I just leave that to the side and just 1:07:13.200 --> 1:07:15.280 work real hard right now, then I'll have the best 1:07:15.360 --> 1:07:17.440 relationship ever later on. So what are you doing now? 1:07:18.400 --> 1:07:21.680 Still the same thing you're I was trying to say, right, 1:07:21.680 --> 1:07:25.080 you're into fitness, right, yeah, okay, so um, nowadays, so 1:07:25.160 --> 1:07:26.960 I I started a few of my own little companies, 1:07:26.960 --> 1:07:29.680 Like I did a clothing line, I've doing my podcast now. 1:07:29.760 --> 1:07:32.680 Then I have my supplement line. Um, I do sell 1:07:32.760 --> 1:07:34.840 some fitness Yeah these are mine. Okay, look at that. 1:07:34.840 --> 1:07:37.240 I don't know where that came from. Is there anything 1:07:37.320 --> 1:07:39.840 for like to gain weight? Uh? Not so well, we 1:07:39.920 --> 1:07:44.480 have protein but like products, but um, but basically what 1:07:44.560 --> 1:07:46.800 I do now, this is something that I'm really like 1:07:46.880 --> 1:07:50.120 working hard on. Um, is we're working on creating people 1:07:50.400 --> 1:07:53.000 in TV their own companies because you know, everybody just 1:07:53.080 --> 1:07:55.320 does brand deals and does all this stuff. But since 1:07:55.360 --> 1:07:57.120 I've created so many of these, at this point, I 1:07:57.200 --> 1:08:01.280 know so much about like manufacturing and fulfilm and websites 1:08:01.320 --> 1:08:03.479 all that stuff that it's like, there's all these people 1:08:03.480 --> 1:08:06.200 going on TV, but everybody's getting thousand bucks here, two 1:08:06.200 --> 1:08:08.360 thousand bucks there to do a post. But it's gonna end, 1:08:08.640 --> 1:08:11.640 you know, eventually. So I'm just working on now creating 1:08:11.760 --> 1:08:14.880 people companies. We've talked to Jason Tardik and Taisha from 1:08:14.880 --> 1:08:17.439 this current season, so working with a few people to 1:08:17.520 --> 1:08:19.479 kind of get it going. Actually ran now you guys 1:08:19.520 --> 1:08:24.439 analytics who I can how I'm doing well? They say 1:08:24.479 --> 1:08:26.439 me Adams instead of yours for some reason. I don't 1:08:26.439 --> 1:08:29.360 know why, but yeah, Adam from Adam and Raven. Yeah, 1:08:29.920 --> 1:08:31.719 I don't know, but I got but I got you guys, 1:08:32.360 --> 1:08:34.519 how do you get insights? That's scary. Well, I have 1:08:34.640 --> 1:08:36.400 like these internet so I work with like a team. 1:08:36.439 --> 1:08:39.280 It's called Exalt, So I have like the financial backers 1:08:39.280 --> 1:08:42.960 and the funding and everything. I'm in charge of product development, manufacturing, fulfillment, 1:08:43.400 --> 1:08:44.800 and then we have some guys who are in charge 1:08:44.840 --> 1:08:46.719 of like creating all the funnels and all the internet 1:08:46.800 --> 1:08:48.840 systems and doing all that stuff. Well, there's also a 1:08:48.880 --> 1:08:52.160 website and I think it's called Social Blade. It like 1:08:52.360 --> 1:08:56.000 grades your social media engagement. And I've got an kind 1:08:56.040 --> 1:08:58.200 of Square two which is pretty interesting, like helps provide 1:08:58.200 --> 1:08:59.760 insights all that kind of stuff. What is it only 1:08:59.880 --> 1:09:02.360 for simple stuff? But ours? Ours is like I know 1:09:02.479 --> 1:09:04.200 everything about you guys if I look at this list, 1:09:04.280 --> 1:09:11.200 like everything, but still, I mean, is it that's scary 1:09:11.240 --> 1:09:16.040 to know you're engagement? It's definitely interesting. Definitely have like 1:09:16.080 --> 1:09:18.519 a super in depth analysis is pretty cool. I remember 1:09:18.520 --> 1:09:20.720 I lean over to Jared like two months ago or 1:09:20.760 --> 1:09:21.840 something like that. I was like, damn, it must be 1:09:21.960 --> 1:09:27.519 nice to be gaining followers instead of losing. I'm saying, steady, yeah, 1:09:27.560 --> 1:09:30.000 of course I'm losing Bachelor and gaining X on the beach. 1:09:30.040 --> 1:09:32.200 So it literally just it looks like, yeah, it looks 1:09:32.200 --> 1:09:35.080 like nothing might haven't been on since my season. So 1:09:35.120 --> 1:09:37.479 I'm just like, my thing is, once you're in Paradise 1:09:37.560 --> 1:09:39.920 this summer, you'll be fine. I was just I was 1:09:40.000 --> 1:09:41.960 just talking about it's actually with some friends. So I 1:09:42.000 --> 1:09:44.120 just did a sky to having cores out in Paris, California, 1:09:44.120 --> 1:09:45.800 and a lot of them were like influencers, like real 1:09:45.920 --> 1:09:48.240 people that built their brands up through like organically rather 1:09:48.280 --> 1:09:50.800 than going on television. And I was like, yeah, I 1:09:50.880 --> 1:09:52.639 lose like a thousand followers every couple of days whatever 1:09:52.680 --> 1:09:54.600 it is. And they're like, dude, it's because you're so 1:09:55.360 --> 1:09:58.400 uh like inconsistent and you're always doing something different, like 1:09:58.479 --> 1:09:59.920 no one really knows what to expect, and that's what 1:10:00.000 --> 1:10:02.519 you are, Like, oh what, because I'm sorry, what is 1:10:02.560 --> 1:10:05.280 this kid doing? Now? I'm gonna follow him because like 1:10:05.360 --> 1:10:07.080 I have no idea what to expect. Like you look 1:10:07.120 --> 1:10:09.080 at people that are successful, it's because they're always doing 1:10:09.160 --> 1:10:10.760 the same thing over and over. It's so interesting though, 1:10:10.760 --> 1:10:13.400 because wouldn't you imagine people want to go on social 1:10:13.439 --> 1:10:15.599 media and see something different instead of seeing the same 1:10:15.640 --> 1:10:17.479 thing over and over and over again. I don't know. 1:10:17.680 --> 1:10:19.080 It's just kind of hard for us because I feel 1:10:19.080 --> 1:10:20.599 like we go on TV and we gain them all, 1:10:20.760 --> 1:10:25.320 and then once you're off TV, they're like, I lost 1:10:25.360 --> 1:10:29.320 them after my engagement ended. It was just like so many. 1:10:29.400 --> 1:10:31.080 But I'm like, that's fine. If you were following me 1:10:31.200 --> 1:10:34.519 for something specific and it's a good person, it's not 1:10:34.560 --> 1:10:36.880 you're in this new relationships, So yeah, I think I 1:10:36.960 --> 1:10:38.840 built my following up based off of just being like 1:10:39.520 --> 1:10:41.840 entertaining and just kind of a jerk. So it's like 1:10:42.120 --> 1:10:44.400 my following is almost to me like your private because 1:10:44.400 --> 1:10:46.160 I want to go check your projects with the Yeah, 1:10:46.160 --> 1:10:48.800 the MTV people all do that because it's like MTV 1:10:48.880 --> 1:10:50.680 people are like younger, so they'll just come in and 1:10:50.720 --> 1:10:53.040 comment you suck, and then leave. So it's like, well, 1:10:53.040 --> 1:10:57.040 you're gonna follow me if you're a comment sorry. Yeah, 1:10:57.160 --> 1:10:59.599 so they all all MTV people go private? Wait, chat? 1:10:59.600 --> 1:11:05.840 Are you angler in a relationship now? Is there something? 1:11:06.320 --> 1:11:09.160 Was there something happening between you and farah uh wait? 1:11:09.360 --> 1:11:11.760 Something like dating wise? Like on the show, like was 1:11:11.800 --> 1:11:14.240 there she kind of wanted to and I don't think 1:11:14.280 --> 1:11:17.439 it was shown, but um, I was talking to another 1:11:17.520 --> 1:11:19.680 girl and so she kind of backed up because you 1:11:19.720 --> 1:11:22.960 know she's she's business. Try and have a funny story. 1:11:23.840 --> 1:11:26.680 Any m is actually on Twitter one time before the 1:11:26.720 --> 1:11:29.080 show that was I called her on it one time 1:11:29.120 --> 1:11:31.479 and I love calling people out. That's what I'm gonna 1:11:31.479 --> 1:11:34.759 do right now. So does Corey like older women? Corey 1:11:35.000 --> 1:11:39.800 Corey Brooks from I have no idea. Remember when I 1:11:39.840 --> 1:11:44.720 was at that wedding, I was good looking. I did 1:11:44.800 --> 1:11:46.679 not know that. Is there a point to this story? 1:11:46.800 --> 1:11:49.800 What was that? Just Jessica Graf's wedding and Corey and 1:11:49.840 --> 1:11:52.080 I know each other from before. Just Jess's wedding and 1:11:52.120 --> 1:11:53.559 he came up to He's like, Vanessa's been so long, 1:11:53.600 --> 1:11:55.960 Evan seen you? And I think, like, I love Corey. 1:11:55.960 --> 1:11:57.920 He's a great guy. But I don't know if he 1:11:58.000 --> 1:12:00.519 was drinking or whatever. But he's like, uh so, how long, 1:12:00.760 --> 1:12:02.760 something about like being in l a blah blah blah. 1:12:02.760 --> 1:12:04.280 And I'm like, oh, well, how old are you? And 1:12:04.320 --> 1:12:09.200 he's like twenty seven. I'm like I'm like, oh, you'll 1:12:09.200 --> 1:12:10.479 be in late for a while. He's like, why how 1:12:10.560 --> 1:12:13.280 old are you, Mike, I'm thirty one. He's like, it 1:12:13.360 --> 1:12:16.160 was great seeing Vanessa and he just walks away. I 1:12:16.320 --> 1:12:19.800 was like, was it because I'm thirty one? That's weird. 1:12:20.280 --> 1:12:22.040 I think he just I don't know. I mean, it 1:12:22.080 --> 1:12:24.120 could have been. It's weird. It's weird to see that 1:12:24.200 --> 1:12:26.599 he was on this show. I thought you were saying 1:12:26.640 --> 1:12:31.120 he did have a thing for no. I was just like, uh, okay, 1:12:31.200 --> 1:12:32.760 And that was like right around the time, like I 1:12:32.880 --> 1:12:34.400 was dating this guy. It kind of ended, and it 1:12:34.439 --> 1:12:36.280 was kind of just like it hurt a little bit. 1:12:36.360 --> 1:12:39.639 All right, Chad, real talk, real question. Are you single? 1:12:40.360 --> 1:12:43.679 I can't fully get into it. You're gonna have to, honestly, 1:12:43.760 --> 1:12:46.640 not only watch the show, but the reunion. Give us 1:12:46.680 --> 1:12:49.200 something to give us something, some sort of cliffhang or 1:12:49.360 --> 1:12:52.839 something that's obviously I'm gonna watch anyone. We're gonna watch regardless, 1:12:52.880 --> 1:12:54.519 but give us something that's gonna make us sit on 1:12:54.520 --> 1:12:55.800 the edge of our seats. Do we see a new 1:12:55.840 --> 1:12:58.360 side of Chad? Yeah, you definitely see a different see 1:12:58.400 --> 1:13:00.639 like a loving side. I think I'm kind of worried 1:13:00.680 --> 1:13:05.040 that it's almost like two lovey dovey. That's a good thing. Yeah, 1:13:05.080 --> 1:13:08.200 I agree, because I think, uh, you, like we talked 1:13:08.240 --> 1:13:11.240 about before you you you made your mistakes on Bachelor, 1:13:12.040 --> 1:13:15.040 but I think you have a more of a different 1:13:15.080 --> 1:13:16.720 side to you as well, So I'm hoping people get 1:13:16.760 --> 1:13:18.479 to see that. I do have a question for you, though, 1:13:18.720 --> 1:13:20.880 because you were also a couple of years ago on 1:13:21.080 --> 1:13:28.080 Single Single right, and you were on with were No. 1:13:28.160 --> 1:13:31.200 I was on with Ronnie Yeah, and Molika and Tiffany 1:13:31.240 --> 1:13:33.640 New York. I'm the biggest Jersey Shore fan and I 1:13:33.800 --> 1:13:36.120 was so jealous that you got to know those guys. 1:13:36.160 --> 1:13:38.439 And I saw you at the Jersey Shore premiere earlier, 1:13:38.880 --> 1:13:44.000 like Jesus almost a year ago now, and it was 1:13:44.080 --> 1:13:45.400 you're just boys with all them, and I was so 1:13:45.520 --> 1:13:48.439 jealous at the point of my story right there, those 1:13:48.520 --> 1:13:50.680 dudes were just it wasn't a question I wanted to 1:13:50.720 --> 1:13:53.640 be like, I was so out hangut people, I was 1:13:53.720 --> 1:13:55.800 so outside of the Bachelor world. It was so good 1:13:55.880 --> 1:13:57.920 to like finally like have these people I could like 1:13:58.000 --> 1:13:59.559 talk to that were like hey, and I'm like, oh 1:13:59.640 --> 1:14:02.360 my god, I got TV friends now. High fives are like, yeah, 1:14:02.560 --> 1:14:04.680 you know, it's pretty cool. So U because the day 1:14:04.760 --> 1:14:06.120 you want to have friends to do the same thing 1:14:06.160 --> 1:14:07.960 as you, it's kind of oh, of course, it's one. 1:14:08.040 --> 1:14:10.320 It's it's they can relate to you, which is really 1:14:10.400 --> 1:14:12.560 nicely too. It's a great networking tool because you know, 1:14:12.680 --> 1:14:15.000 you meet people over at CBS or Fox or MTV 1:14:15.080 --> 1:14:16.280 and you got to do things that you never thought 1:14:16.280 --> 1:14:18.160 you'd be able to do. Yeah, I totally agree. And 1:14:18.280 --> 1:14:19.960 Ronnie was really cool. I mean we hung out all 1:14:20.000 --> 1:14:22.680 the time and when until he moved to Vegas once 1:14:22.720 --> 1:14:24.479 they started shooting the new show, and then he started 1:14:24.560 --> 1:14:27.120 dating that girl. Um, I think that's I think he 1:14:27.200 --> 1:14:28.800 was actually in my hotel when he found out she 1:14:28.880 --> 1:14:31.479 was pregnant. Oh wow. It was like me and my 1:14:31.600 --> 1:14:34.080 ex girlfriend and him just hanging out. He was like 1:14:34.320 --> 1:14:37.519 on the phone outside, like, bro, I don't know, that's 1:14:37.560 --> 1:14:42.400 really cool. I think that's really cool girl from Rhode Island. 1:14:42.520 --> 1:14:44.640 And so I got into Jersey Shore and then just 1:14:44.680 --> 1:14:51.559 fell in love with them. They're just awesome. It's pretty crazy. 1:14:51.600 --> 1:14:55.080 I'll really like down to earth. They are in comparison 1:14:55.120 --> 1:14:56.799 to some of the people you meet in this industry 1:14:56.960 --> 1:14:59.719 just you know, it just blow up. But I always 1:14:59.720 --> 1:15:01.479 felt like whenever I met those guys, it was they're 1:15:01.640 --> 1:15:05.400 very like, just so chill, yeah, very like like, hey, 1:15:05.520 --> 1:15:06.760 I did this. And I think it's because they have 1:15:06.840 --> 1:15:08.800 the second chance now because they did it and I 1:15:08.840 --> 1:15:11.400 almost had it taken away for so many years and 1:15:11.479 --> 1:15:13.000 now they have this second chance and they're just so 1:15:13.160 --> 1:15:15.719 respectful about it. Um. So, do you have any crazy 1:15:15.800 --> 1:15:18.280 fans story because you are bad Chad from the Bachelor, 1:15:18.320 --> 1:15:20.920 Has there anybody come up and been like you're a 1:15:21.080 --> 1:15:24.760 jerk man? Yeah? That okay, that happens. Yeah, I mean 1:15:24.880 --> 1:15:27.160 not a lot. Most of the time, I either get like, hey, 1:15:27.240 --> 1:15:30.679 where are your muscles or hey it's the apple. Where 1:15:30.800 --> 1:15:34.120 are yeah? In in person and I'm like, well, you know, 1:15:34.200 --> 1:15:37.560 the TV makes you look bigger, Yeah, muscular, and like 1:15:37.640 --> 1:15:39.719 I thought you were so much taller and like curvier. 1:15:40.880 --> 1:15:43.880 People think I'm shorter. They see me, They're like, yeah, 1:15:43.960 --> 1:15:45.680 I I didn't expect you to be that tall to 1:15:45.760 --> 1:15:48.080 see people think that I'm shorter. So it is very 1:15:48.160 --> 1:15:49.599 nice when people walk up to me and they're like, well, 1:15:49.640 --> 1:15:52.280 you're taller. Yeah. It's like because I'm surrounded by people 1:15:52.360 --> 1:15:56.519 that are like yeah, six two six six four one, 1:15:56.920 --> 1:15:58.840 and I look One of the things that Jared said 1:15:59.400 --> 1:16:01.479 early on I think it maybe back like early back 1:16:01.479 --> 1:16:03.160 into his in eight teen, was you had a friend 1:16:03.200 --> 1:16:04.920 who was labeled as a good guy on the show 1:16:05.200 --> 1:16:08.080 and how then being labeled as the villain or bad 1:16:08.120 --> 1:16:11.880 guy quote unquote, Uh. He was ecstatic about it because like, how, 1:16:12.200 --> 1:16:14.439 what's that story? Do you mind sharing it again? There's 1:16:14.479 --> 1:16:17.360 a dude on my season. There's a dude within the Bachelor. 1:16:17.360 --> 1:16:19.280 Frenchies don't want give his name away, but like he 1:16:19.479 --> 1:16:23.240 was loved on on the Bachelorette, hated on Paradise villain 1:16:23.280 --> 1:16:26.840 I when the Paradise is errand he was like, I 1:16:26.880 --> 1:16:28.360 don't know, this is the best thing that's ever happened 1:16:28.360 --> 1:16:30.280 to me, because on the Bachelorette I get d ms 1:16:30.280 --> 1:16:32.639 of like please marry me, and then Paradise I get 1:16:33.160 --> 1:16:35.200 new d ms of girls just wanted to sleep with me, 1:16:35.320 --> 1:16:39.080 and it's great. I will admit. That's been the majority 1:16:39.320 --> 1:16:41.160 of the type of stuff I got, almost to the 1:16:41.200 --> 1:16:42.560 point where like, so like right after the show, I 1:16:42.600 --> 1:16:44.400 said I didn't really date, but I would get so 1:16:44.520 --> 1:16:46.240 many girls just hit me up just a straight like 1:16:46.320 --> 1:16:48.720 hook up because it's like the bad boy, you know that. 1:16:48.840 --> 1:16:50.479 Eventually I would just like look at the d M 1:16:50.520 --> 1:16:52.240 and be like, well I could look at the next 1:16:52.240 --> 1:16:54.040 one where well I could have because it's just like 1:16:54.520 --> 1:16:56.559 it's too much work, you know, it's not gonna lead anywhere. 1:16:57.000 --> 1:17:00.000 So yeah, just how does the girlfriend now? I fee 1:17:00.040 --> 1:17:07.599 about that? So Chad's engaged. Great ending as well, Chad, 1:17:07.680 --> 1:17:10.519 we really appreciate it. Dean. Do you have any final thoughts? Uh? Yeah, 1:17:11.200 --> 1:17:12.360 what are you gonna do after this? You're gonna go 1:17:12.360 --> 1:17:16.880 hang out your girlfriend or maybe come on, Chad, give 1:17:16.920 --> 1:17:19.160 us something to work with here? Well, should girls be 1:17:19.200 --> 1:17:22.680 sliding into your d M. Yeah, you almost had it. 1:17:25.360 --> 1:17:29.400 I mean too long is media training is two rock solid? 1:17:30.200 --> 1:17:33.560 Now maybe maybe last year? Maybe last year, Chad, we 1:17:33.600 --> 1:17:35.680 can see you on X on the Beach season to 1:17:35.920 --> 1:17:39.240 what nights does it air? That is every Thursday, eight 1:17:39.360 --> 1:17:44.080 seven Central. My getting Monday, I Got Bachelor Tuesday, we 1:17:44.160 --> 1:17:46.839 got Temptation Island. By the way, we met Mark Wahlberg, 1:17:46.880 --> 1:17:51.240 who loves you, uh really not Mark, Mark? Not Mark 1:17:52.080 --> 1:17:54.439 that because he just came onto my podcast and I'm 1:17:54.479 --> 1:17:56.439 not gonna lie. I had like had a crazy weekend 1:17:56.479 --> 1:17:59.599 in Florida with or without whoever we may be talking 1:17:59.640 --> 1:18:03.280 about if we are, And so I'm saying he dropped 1:18:03.280 --> 1:18:04.720 her name and that's why I'm waiting for you to 1:18:04.800 --> 1:18:06.800 just say the same thing as well. Uh yeah, yeah 1:18:07.120 --> 1:18:09.160 he didn't drop her name on air. Yeah I was. 1:18:09.240 --> 1:18:10.800 I was trying to do the podcast with him, and 1:18:11.160 --> 1:18:14.560 if there is he dropped, come on help me and 1:18:14.680 --> 1:18:18.120 help listener. It could be there was. I'm not gonna lie. 1:18:18.160 --> 1:18:21.760 Dean just fooled his co host right there. I was like, 1:18:21.880 --> 1:18:26.160 he didn't say anything on air. Wow, Well I'm an idiot, 1:18:26.160 --> 1:18:28.040 And Chad, where else can people find you? So you 1:18:28.080 --> 1:18:31.160 guys can find me at real Chad Johnson on Twitter, Instagram, everything. 1:18:31.280 --> 1:18:33.639 He's private now because he has a girlfriend private because 1:18:35.320 --> 1:18:38.040 you can. Also, you can also write in every Bachelor 1:18:38.080 --> 1:18:40.280 contestants full name you are l dot com and it 1:18:40.280 --> 1:18:42.840 will read ark. Pretty much anybody from my season of 1:18:42.880 --> 1:18:44.639 The Bachelor, you can pretty much type in their domain 1:18:44.760 --> 1:18:49.160 name Robbie Hayes, Shakes McNary, alex Dan McGuire. I pretty 1:18:49.240 --> 1:18:51.479 much own them all, um, you can find me. I 1:18:51.560 --> 1:18:55.839 got my podcast, Chad's World on podcast one, Apple iTunes, 1:18:56.200 --> 1:18:58.280 and then also I do free fitness plans on my 1:18:58.360 --> 1:19:00.360 website elite shape dot com as well. That's where I 1:19:00.360 --> 1:19:04.280 have all my supplement lines and stuff. There are a 1:19:04.320 --> 1:19:06.160 lot of things that I could criticize you for, but 1:19:06.280 --> 1:19:07.960 at the end of the day, you are a smart person, 1:19:08.080 --> 1:19:10.000 so I didn't like, I can't really think you know, 1:19:10.640 --> 1:19:13.120 I will take that. There we go, all right? Chat? 1:19:13.240 --> 1:19:15.080 Thanks coming in then? Yeah for sure? Thanks? Thanks? Ja. 1:19:16.760 --> 1:19:21.800 All right, what do you think you're the one that 1:19:21.880 --> 1:19:25.840 was opinionated? What do I think I mean? It's like 1:19:25.960 --> 1:19:27.880 I said in the while he was here, It's hard 1:19:27.920 --> 1:19:31.400 to be critical of someone because I've made big mistakes 1:19:31.680 --> 1:19:35.920 after being drunk right like that. It's not excusable, but 1:19:36.040 --> 1:19:39.680 it kind of helps lend more to the story. I 1:19:39.760 --> 1:19:42.200 don't I don't know. I think it's been more time 1:19:42.240 --> 1:19:44.040 with him before I can really make a definitive decision. 1:19:44.200 --> 1:19:46.640 I like him more than I than the notion that 1:19:46.720 --> 1:19:49.439 I had going into the interview. Yeah. If I had 1:19:49.600 --> 1:19:52.880 never watched or like seeing any episodes of him being 1:19:52.960 --> 1:19:55.680 on like a Bachelor in Paradise and stuff like that, 1:19:56.240 --> 1:19:58.080 I would never think that he can get to that 1:19:58.200 --> 1:20:02.439 level because he was so nice sin Yeah, he got sweet, 1:20:02.560 --> 1:20:04.560 he got wasted his first time in Paradise, and he 1:20:04.800 --> 1:20:06.880 just I just need more, more film, more from it, 1:20:07.000 --> 1:20:10.280 more time with him to really make a decision. Yeah, 1:20:10.600 --> 1:20:13.240 I think. Uh. The thing about Chad is that he 1:20:14.160 --> 1:20:16.479 has made a lot of mistakes and he's been a 1:20:16.600 --> 1:20:20.400 jerk on TV, but he admits it, and I gotta 1:20:20.400 --> 1:20:22.519 give him credit for that. And like the Sarah Heron thing, 1:20:22.640 --> 1:20:28.360 I'm with you uncalled for ridiculous out of line, but 1:20:28.560 --> 1:20:30.720 he's not like he doubled down on it, you know. 1:20:30.840 --> 1:20:35.759 He I saw him apologize on on TV numerous times, 1:20:36.200 --> 1:20:38.600 and I understand Sarah being really hard to let that go. 1:20:38.840 --> 1:20:40.320 So I can understand. It's it's one of those things 1:20:40.360 --> 1:20:42.840 where I'm like, I understand both points, Like Chad, you're wrong, 1:20:42.880 --> 1:20:45.639 you're you're a jerk, but you have apologized multiple times, 1:20:46.200 --> 1:20:50.240 and so I you know, that's my faults. But I 1:20:50.280 --> 1:20:52.960 guess that's like a little indicator of someone's character, right, 1:20:53.760 --> 1:20:56.200 if like you can apologize. But I mean, we all 1:20:56.360 --> 1:21:00.360 think really mean things. Sometimes we can think like some things, 1:21:00.439 --> 1:21:03.400 but most of us will like internalize it and not 1:21:03.520 --> 1:21:05.439 actually put it out there to the universe. A K 1:21:05.960 --> 1:21:08.439 trolls on it on the internet, and like, you know, 1:21:08.680 --> 1:21:11.320 but if someone actually does it, I feel like that's 1:21:11.360 --> 1:21:16.639 a testament to reveal your true personality. Or drinking change 1:21:16.680 --> 1:21:19.280 your personality. Drunk words are sober thoughts, right, That's how 1:21:19.400 --> 1:21:23.040 it changes your personality. Because yes, because a friend of mine, 1:21:23.439 --> 1:21:29.320 somebody that care about deeply UH as issues with alcohol 1:21:29.720 --> 1:21:33.160 and they're the sweetest piece person. But when they drink, 1:21:33.560 --> 1:21:38.160 sweet is the piece of UH. They're the greatest person, 1:21:38.439 --> 1:21:42.800 and when they drink, they just become uh not just 1:21:43.040 --> 1:21:46.280 like yeah, just like always belittle and not belittling, but 1:21:46.400 --> 1:21:49.040 just like I think that the world's against them, and 1:21:49.240 --> 1:21:50.960 you know why don't you do this, and why don't 1:21:50.960 --> 1:21:53.000 you do that? And you know they wouldn't say anything 1:21:53.080 --> 1:21:56.200 really horrible, but they're just it changes them, you know. 1:21:56.680 --> 1:21:58.720 I think if you also add in the fact that 1:21:58.840 --> 1:22:01.920 there's cameras around you, you could morph into this different 1:22:01.920 --> 1:22:03.360 person that you don't even know, a side of you 1:22:03.439 --> 1:22:05.639 that you didn't even know you had. And I also 1:22:05.720 --> 1:22:10.000 think that Chad is he plays it up like I 1:22:10.360 --> 1:22:13.320 It's just something that in my opinion, I think that 1:22:14.160 --> 1:22:16.920 he likes the attention, just like we all do, you know, 1:22:16.960 --> 1:22:19.080 whether we'd like to admit it or not, we all 1:22:19.240 --> 1:22:21.479 like to get attention. And I think Chad, you know, 1:22:21.680 --> 1:22:24.000 does things to stir the pot to get people talking 1:22:24.000 --> 1:22:26.600 about him. And I think he creates kind of like 1:22:26.680 --> 1:22:30.360 a character of himself on TV and uh when in 1:22:30.439 --> 1:22:34.439 person he's you know, uh more yeah, down to earth 1:22:34.520 --> 1:22:37.320 and like easy to talk to. Yea. So, to Vanessa's point, 1:22:37.360 --> 1:22:40.200 are we all monsters? And we just because of society? 1:22:40.520 --> 1:22:42.760 We put on a brave face and we polite and 1:22:42.840 --> 1:22:44.120 we do all the things that we're supposed to do 1:22:44.160 --> 1:22:46.840 a society, But deep down we're all horrible people. I 1:22:46.840 --> 1:22:49.519 wouldn't say horrible, but there is certainly good and bad 1:22:49.640 --> 1:22:53.400 and each in every single one of us. Um, And 1:22:53.680 --> 1:22:56.760 you're right, it's just depending on our value system and 1:22:56.840 --> 1:23:01.560 are able to control that. And um, you know we 1:23:01.680 --> 1:23:04.640 all have the capability of doing really horrible things. Um, 1:23:04.800 --> 1:23:07.639 it's just whether we have the will to just saying 1:23:08.720 --> 1:23:11.479 or not act on them. Yeah, saying things dark thought 1:23:11.560 --> 1:23:16.080 for the day, I know. Anyway, So speaking of dark thoughts, 1:23:17.160 --> 1:23:20.120 you know what's a dark thought? Going to the grocery store. 1:23:21.160 --> 1:23:25.719 That is the worst spare, especially in l A. There's 1:23:25.760 --> 1:23:32.400 no parking lots. You gotta find parking for Oh it's horrible. 1:23:32.479 --> 1:23:34.360 But you know what, you know what you don't have 1:23:34.479 --> 1:23:38.200 to do. You can just order groceries at home online 1:23:38.320 --> 1:23:40.840 from Thrive Market. You guys have heard of us, talk 1:23:40.880 --> 1:23:43.479 about a million times. I love thrive. Thrive Market is 1:23:43.479 --> 1:23:45.800 an online marketplace. It's on a mission to make healthy 1:23:46.120 --> 1:23:49.080 living easy and affordable for everyone. 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She says, I've been in a serious 1:27:32.360 --> 1:27:34.479 relationship for two years, but the last six months have 1:27:34.560 --> 1:27:37.240 been rocky. During the better part of our relationship, I've 1:27:37.280 --> 1:27:40.639 honestly never felt more loved by anyone in my entire life. 1:27:40.680 --> 1:27:42.920 But now it seems as though our relationship is ending. 1:27:43.600 --> 1:27:46.400 The last thing he texted to me was, well, you 1:27:46.479 --> 1:27:48.280 are right on the fact that it could actually be 1:27:48.360 --> 1:27:50.840 possible with things changing. I don't want to walk away 1:27:50.880 --> 1:27:53.160 because I've always loved you, but I don't know. Yeah, 1:27:53.400 --> 1:27:55.200 I'm thinking I just want you to know I'm not 1:27:55.280 --> 1:27:58.479 ignoring you. Since that text, he has not responded to 1:27:58.560 --> 1:28:01.639 me in over a week, so I've tried multiple times 1:28:01.720 --> 1:28:04.120 to contact him. Do you think he's not that enemy? 1:28:04.200 --> 1:28:08.559 Should I start moving on? Yes? And before we say anything, 1:28:09.479 --> 1:28:11.519 you more than you ended the email with, do you 1:28:11.640 --> 1:28:14.880 think maybe he's just not that into me? Yeah? You 1:28:14.960 --> 1:28:17.599 guys have been in a serious relationship for two years 1:28:17.680 --> 1:28:19.000 and you have to ask that question at the end 1:28:19.000 --> 1:28:20.840 of the email. Well, they do say after there's like 1:28:20.920 --> 1:28:24.960 the two year breaking point on it, or something like 1:28:25.120 --> 1:28:27.439 after two years, like the first year, at the honeymoon stage, 1:28:27.479 --> 1:28:28.840 a second year. I guess like you're starting to know 1:28:28.960 --> 1:28:31.639 each other. We should get Sia. She's she's an expert 1:28:31.680 --> 1:28:35.400 on these things over we talked to her earlier, so 1:28:35.479 --> 1:28:37.760 we should get her and get her. If you'll, if 1:28:37.800 --> 1:28:40.120 you all remember from about nine, oh, you want to 1:28:40.160 --> 1:28:42.920 stay with me? You want to sit About nine or 1:28:43.000 --> 1:28:46.240 ten months ago, we advertised that we were running a 1:28:46.240 --> 1:28:49.080 batchbacket league. That help I secon dating Batchbacket League and 1:28:49.280 --> 1:28:56.680 Sierra in her infinite is it Sierra Serra Sira, I 1:28:56.760 --> 1:29:02.200 was calling infinite wisdom. She won the batch bracket league, 1:29:02.280 --> 1:29:04.799 not just by a small margin, but with flying colors. 1:29:04.960 --> 1:29:07.800 How many people were in the batch bracket Like a thousand, 1:29:07.840 --> 1:29:10.720 two hundred people were in the Batchbacket league. I was 1:29:10.800 --> 1:29:13.920 in the league, and I got like and I watched, 1:29:14.520 --> 1:29:16.760 I watched the episodes before they aired, and I still 1:29:16.840 --> 1:29:21.519 got last place a thousand people and she wanted for you. 1:29:21.680 --> 1:29:25.800 It's incredible. What's your advice for Morgan? Sira? Well, I 1:29:26.000 --> 1:29:28.360 think that ideally you should be able to ask him 1:29:28.439 --> 1:29:31.679 the questions that you're asking. And I understand like asking 1:29:31.720 --> 1:29:34.360 other people for advice, but I think you're asking pretty 1:29:34.400 --> 1:29:36.560 clear things that you should already have a foundation for 1:29:36.880 --> 1:29:38.439 a lot of the emails like yet they already know 1:29:38.520 --> 1:29:41.880 the answer. It's like listen, like I would go to 1:29:42.880 --> 1:29:45.880 a psychic or tarot card reader just to get like 1:29:46.400 --> 1:29:48.840 reassurance of what I already knew. I feel like that's 1:29:48.840 --> 1:29:51.120 what we are to them, like a trot tarot card readers, 1:29:51.280 --> 1:29:53.760 Like we're just reassuring you that what you're feeling is right. Yeah. 1:29:53.760 --> 1:29:57.320 But my question, um Morgan has been saying that he 1:29:57.479 --> 1:30:03.759 has been unresponsive for the past Yeah, so's the question, 1:30:04.080 --> 1:30:07.280 what does she do next? Because from what I'm understanding 1:30:07.560 --> 1:30:12.320 is that this relationship is not over or hasn't been ended. 1:30:12.560 --> 1:30:15.880 It's just him saying you should take well no, no, no, 1:30:15.960 --> 1:30:18.000 no no, Actually I take that back. She shouldn't take 1:30:18.040 --> 1:30:20.880 the reins because then what what her boyfriend is going 1:30:20.920 --> 1:30:22.400 to do is say, oh, well you went of the 1:30:22.439 --> 1:30:25.680 relationship with me, when in reality he's essentially ending it. 1:30:25.840 --> 1:30:27.680 Yet she's going to be forced into a position of 1:30:28.120 --> 1:30:31.080 verbally cutting cut it off, and then he can later 1:30:31.160 --> 1:30:33.320 on make her feel guilty for doing that. So what 1:30:33.400 --> 1:30:35.200 do you suggest he doesn't or she does in that case? 1:30:35.360 --> 1:30:37.240 I mean, I think you should know what you deserve 1:30:37.280 --> 1:30:40.040 a little bit, and people always say communication is so 1:30:40.200 --> 1:30:42.880 important in a relationship. So if he's not even giving 1:30:42.920 --> 1:30:45.000 you the access to communicate with him, then I think 1:30:45.040 --> 1:30:50.840 that's your answer. Well done. You're a the relationship therapist. Yeah. Yeah, 1:30:50.840 --> 1:30:58.600 But I've always had a fascination with it. I was 1:30:58.680 --> 1:31:01.280 really interested in infidel since I was in high school. 1:31:01.320 --> 1:31:03.760 So I did grad school and everything, and then through 1:31:03.840 --> 1:31:07.519 studying different licenses and specialties, I found sex addiction. And 1:31:07.560 --> 1:31:11.800 then through that sex therapy. Why infidelity? Were there something 1:31:11.920 --> 1:31:14.000 in your life that push you in that direction? Actually 1:31:14.040 --> 1:31:16.080 not my family. I don't know. I just always had 1:31:16.080 --> 1:31:18.160 a weird fascination with it, and it wasn't until I 1:31:18.240 --> 1:31:20.679 was older that, you know, I felt like it became 1:31:20.720 --> 1:31:26.840 more relevant. Have you ever cheated on anyone? If she's 1:31:26.840 --> 1:31:29.240 so fascinated by well, I was going to ask if 1:31:29.320 --> 1:31:31.960 you were in a relationship, and if they were relationship. 1:31:32.120 --> 1:31:35.960 I've been in all three points of the triangle. Got it? Wait? Three? 1:31:36.400 --> 1:31:40.439 Yea three? Being cheated on, being cheating, and then being 1:31:40.520 --> 1:31:49.639 the person cheating. She was doing some homework for her degree. 1:31:49.800 --> 1:31:51.519 She wanted to be a sex therapist. You know, you 1:31:51.640 --> 1:31:54.680 got a really experience, so you can understand. I get it. 1:31:55.640 --> 1:31:59.920 So anyways for advice for Morgan, essentially is almost four 1:32:00.080 --> 1:32:02.960 him to communicate with you because you know the answer, 1:32:03.040 --> 1:32:04.719 but you want to hear it from him. In my's 1:32:04.800 --> 1:32:06.800 in my opinion, that's what she should do. Is here 1:32:07.160 --> 1:32:09.800 exactly how he feels from him. That way, he can't 1:32:09.840 --> 1:32:11.600 turn around and be like, you're the reason for this. 1:32:12.160 --> 1:32:15.880 I say, move on with your life. Just move on, 1:32:16.600 --> 1:32:20.880 acquire an answer, require some like objective words, right, I mean, 1:32:20.880 --> 1:32:22.640 I think it's so easy to say move on, But 1:32:22.760 --> 1:32:24.280 I think like at the end of the day, you 1:32:24.400 --> 1:32:26.800 have like an emotional attachment to someone, you love, someone 1:32:26.880 --> 1:32:29.040 for two years that were part of your life, significant 1:32:29.200 --> 1:32:31.400 significant part of your life for two years, you want 1:32:31.439 --> 1:32:33.320 to be able to at least like, I'm the type 1:32:33.360 --> 1:32:34.800 of person I want to be able to end it 1:32:34.840 --> 1:32:37.560 in a way that like, when once it ends, I 1:32:37.680 --> 1:32:39.240 know I'm not looking back and I know I have 1:32:39.400 --> 1:32:42.800 zero regrets. So she needs to message him a direct 1:32:42.920 --> 1:32:45.600 message about where she stands, and she needs to know 1:32:45.680 --> 1:32:48.080 where he stands in order for her to be able 1:32:48.120 --> 1:32:50.320 to make a decision. For me, I'm kind of uh, 1:32:50.680 --> 1:32:52.719 I think that she should just end it. She should 1:32:52.920 --> 1:32:55.519 text or call him and just say it's over. She 1:32:55.560 --> 1:32:59.080 should break up with him because the idea that he's not. 1:32:59.520 --> 1:33:02.559 They've been in a two year relationship and he hasn't 1:33:02.640 --> 1:33:06.479 responded to her for a week after telling her. But 1:33:06.960 --> 1:33:09.479 I don't know. Yeah, I'm thinking, I just want you 1:33:09.560 --> 1:33:12.640 to know I'm not ignoring you. Go to hell, bro, 1:33:13.120 --> 1:33:16.000 you know that's exactly Yes, you're right, You're right. It 1:33:16.160 --> 1:33:18.880 matters less who's actually doing the ending, I think. But 1:33:19.040 --> 1:33:20.800 you deserve better, so you should just move on with 1:33:20.920 --> 1:33:24.519 your life. Amen to that. We've got a number of 1:33:24.680 --> 1:33:29.559 emails for Vanessa. For me, Yes, Hailey says, I recently 1:33:29.600 --> 1:33:30.960 went on a date and he asked me about my 1:33:31.000 --> 1:33:33.439 bracelet that says Grace. I said, I think it's one 1:33:33.479 --> 1:33:35.080 of the most important things in life. And he said, 1:33:35.080 --> 1:33:36.760 you're too good a person to be hanging out with 1:33:36.840 --> 1:33:39.960 someone like me Red Flag another man in my life, 1:33:40.000 --> 1:33:42.080 this pastor said. I intimidated him because I have my 1:33:42.360 --> 1:33:44.840 ish together well so that all I can say is 1:33:44.920 --> 1:33:47.040 thank you. There is a lyric to a song that says, 1:33:47.080 --> 1:33:49.400 the only thing about flames that right is they tend 1:33:49.439 --> 1:33:52.000 to make mine seem darker. I need someone who sees 1:33:52.120 --> 1:33:54.120 my flame for the bright fire that it is and 1:33:54.200 --> 1:33:56.800 wants to be near it. Vanessa, I think you needed 1:33:56.840 --> 1:33:59.200 to hear this. I believe you, Burton Bright, and I 1:33:59.439 --> 1:34:02.320 know you it in yourself. Oh my god, Haley, I'm 1:34:02.400 --> 1:34:04.519 literally like jumping up and down right now. That is 1:34:04.600 --> 1:34:07.000 such a powerful email. Thank you so much for sharing that, 1:34:07.160 --> 1:34:11.160 and I absolutely agree with you. Um. When I was 1:34:11.280 --> 1:34:14.559 dating a few people, my close friends of mine were 1:34:14.600 --> 1:34:16.559 telling me, Vanessa, I just see like you're like getting 1:34:16.600 --> 1:34:19.760 dimmer and dimmer and dimmer. And so I started to 1:34:19.800 --> 1:34:22.559 realize that I wasn't being my full authentic self whenever 1:34:22.600 --> 1:34:24.479 I was in these types of relationships, and that's when 1:34:24.520 --> 1:34:27.040 I knew I had to like end it and move on. UM. 1:34:27.200 --> 1:34:29.080 And then I would date people who would who tell 1:34:29.120 --> 1:34:34.240 me you're too intimidating, And I don't know if that's 1:34:34.560 --> 1:34:38.080 there nicer way of saying, I'm just not that into you. 1:34:38.160 --> 1:34:39.560 So I'm gonna make it seem as if you're like 1:34:39.800 --> 1:34:43.320 that big of a person that I can't like start dating. UM. 1:34:43.479 --> 1:34:46.519 But I took that as a sign that, you know, 1:34:46.720 --> 1:34:48.760 if you can't deal with whatever is going on in 1:34:48.880 --> 1:34:50.920 my life right now, then I don't how could you 1:34:51.000 --> 1:34:54.200 be like someone who's a supportive father or a supportive husbands. 1:34:54.240 --> 1:34:57.760 So literally the next that when Arianna Grandy came out 1:34:57.800 --> 1:35:00.439 with her thank You Next song, I just kept playing 1:35:00.479 --> 1:35:05.800 that on a replay for like days. What why why 1:35:05.800 --> 1:35:07.960 are you doing that? No, I totally agree with you. 1:35:08.320 --> 1:35:13.640 I think the handmost and you're giving, doesn't you know 1:35:13.720 --> 1:35:18.840 what it is? It's just the thing. If one more time, 1:35:20.840 --> 1:35:24.360 thank you? No, I I agree with you. I I 1:35:25.560 --> 1:35:28.760 I think in general, sometimes I shouldn't say in general. 1:35:29.160 --> 1:35:32.160 I think sometimes guys have a tendency to date down. Sure, 1:35:32.280 --> 1:35:36.600 they want to feel superior, superior exactly, and so I 1:35:37.000 --> 1:35:39.960 think that while it is kind of BS to be 1:35:40.080 --> 1:35:42.200 like you intimidate me or you're too good for me, 1:35:42.520 --> 1:35:44.760 I think there is a sliver of truth when guys 1:35:44.800 --> 1:35:47.599 say that, Um, I don't know. They shouldn't. They should 1:35:47.600 --> 1:35:50.400 just they should just man up. That's what they should do. 1:35:50.479 --> 1:35:54.000 They should man up. From a personal experience, I'm gonna 1:35:54.240 --> 1:35:55.840 share a personal story with you that I don't think 1:35:55.840 --> 1:35:58.800 it's been shared on air before. It involves a very 1:35:58.840 --> 1:36:01.960 close friend of all of ours, Tanya rad But I 1:36:02.040 --> 1:36:04.480 went on a date with Marty knows this very well. Beautiful, 1:36:04.680 --> 1:36:08.320 She's like a bright light. So we went on a 1:36:08.439 --> 1:36:11.800 date six months ago. How how long ago is that? 1:36:11.800 --> 1:36:13.360 I don't know. I can get you the exact dat 1:36:13.360 --> 1:36:18.400 if you'd like me to, but I know concert Anyways, 1:36:18.880 --> 1:36:21.360 we then went to the I Heart Festival in Las Vegas, 1:36:21.720 --> 1:36:24.120 all of us Tatanya's I heeart. We have this podcast 1:36:24.160 --> 1:36:26.840 your iHeart, um, and so obviously all of us were there, 1:36:27.479 --> 1:36:29.400 and we were back in the green room on like 1:36:29.479 --> 1:36:32.840 a Friday or Saturday night or something. Humble break, no 1:36:32.920 --> 1:36:34.880 big deal, We're hanging with celebrities left in the night, 1:36:34.960 --> 1:36:37.760 just whatever. And Tanya lin like comes over to me, 1:36:38.320 --> 1:36:41.120 not comes over, but we're having a conversation, and she 1:36:41.240 --> 1:36:43.080 goes like, why didn't you know, why has there been 1:36:43.120 --> 1:36:45.479 no interest to go on a second date? And my 1:36:45.560 --> 1:36:52.680 gud getting nervous or phones already regret it, Um, and 1:36:52.880 --> 1:36:54.559 I had been drinking at that point, you know, obviously, 1:36:54.640 --> 1:36:56.360 like it was one in the morning at this point, 1:36:56.479 --> 1:36:58.040 right and it's a Saturday night, we're in Las Vegas, 1:36:59.240 --> 1:37:02.120 and I sent you kind of dive into something similar 1:37:02.240 --> 1:37:04.080 to what Haley is dealing with, where I was like 1:37:04.400 --> 1:37:07.160 confiding in Tanya. I was like, look, who, You're just 1:37:07.240 --> 1:37:08.840 too good for me? In a sense where like I 1:37:08.880 --> 1:37:10.640 won't be able to live up to the expectations that 1:37:10.720 --> 1:37:13.320 I feel like you should have for your significant other. 1:37:13.680 --> 1:37:15.560 Then and I got into all the shortcomings that I 1:37:15.640 --> 1:37:17.479 would have in the relationship, and I literally got to 1:37:17.600 --> 1:37:20.120 the point where, in the middle of this green room 1:37:20.320 --> 1:37:25.240 or surrounded by legitimate celebrities, I started crying, like bawling 1:37:25.360 --> 1:37:27.760 in front of everyone, and Tanya like, lean over, She's like, 1:37:27.800 --> 1:37:29.080 why are you crying? I was like, I don't know. 1:37:29.280 --> 1:37:31.240 I don't know what's going on. I'm emotional right now. 1:37:31.760 --> 1:37:33.960 I feel bad for letting you down even after just 1:37:34.080 --> 1:37:36.800 one date and not essentially being able to buy into 1:37:36.800 --> 1:37:38.280 the fact that I could live up to what you 1:37:38.400 --> 1:37:41.200 need in a person um and especially like we we 1:37:41.320 --> 1:37:44.080 kind of miss align on a lot of um like 1:37:44.800 --> 1:37:48.320 not moral things, but he's very like faithful and devout 1:37:48.360 --> 1:37:49.880 and like all these things that I don't necessarily agree with, 1:37:49.920 --> 1:37:52.040 which is not a deal breaker by any means, but 1:37:52.280 --> 1:37:54.800 I think it's important to her, And so I'm just 1:37:54.800 --> 1:37:58.320 trying to play devil's advocate for Haley, because can I 1:37:58.479 --> 1:38:00.640 can I play a devil's advocate for you, because I 1:38:00.720 --> 1:38:04.559 was because I agree with what you're saying uh, having 1:38:04.680 --> 1:38:07.960 said that, being someone similar to yourself for a very 1:38:08.040 --> 1:38:10.040 long time, thinking maybe I couldn't live up to the 1:38:10.120 --> 1:38:12.240 expectations that Ashley gave to me, which is why we 1:38:12.280 --> 1:38:14.800 weren't together for quite some time. And so for me, 1:38:15.080 --> 1:38:18.000 in my mind, it was like, she's too good for me. 1:38:18.240 --> 1:38:20.640 She's a bright star, and I just can't keep up 1:38:20.680 --> 1:38:25.280 with that, And in retrospect, having like to really either 1:38:25.640 --> 1:38:29.439 do something or just continue living in that path, I 1:38:29.479 --> 1:38:31.640 think it was kind of lazy on my part to 1:38:31.840 --> 1:38:34.120 call me lazy. I think so, I think I might 1:38:34.120 --> 1:38:35.680 be calling you a little lazy nine a terrible way, 1:38:35.680 --> 1:38:37.560 because you're a wonderful human being. But in terms of 1:38:38.120 --> 1:38:41.280 saying someone you're too good for me, because it's like, well, 1:38:41.360 --> 1:38:44.280 you know what, if the feelings were there, then I 1:38:44.360 --> 1:38:46.120 should be driven enough to try to catch up to you, 1:38:46.439 --> 1:38:49.040 to be like, no, I can be that guy, because 1:38:49.040 --> 1:38:52.040 I think a lot of times guys will say I'm 1:38:52.080 --> 1:38:53.840 not good enough. I'm just not good enough. So I'm 1:38:53.840 --> 1:38:57.160 gonna keep living my in my little bubble and not 1:38:57.520 --> 1:39:00.200 be willing to really fight for what I want. But 1:39:00.280 --> 1:39:02.280 what if there's no desire to be that good, Well, 1:39:02.280 --> 1:39:04.760 then I think the feelings aren't there. I think it's both. 1:39:04.800 --> 1:39:06.200 I think you're both right. I mean, I don't think. 1:39:06.240 --> 1:39:07.960 I don't see Dean is being lazy in this situation. 1:39:08.160 --> 1:39:11.320 I'm not calling Dean lazy. I was calling I've been 1:39:11.320 --> 1:39:14.040 in that situation too, because guys in their twenties are lazy, 1:39:14.360 --> 1:39:15.920 Like we don't want to work that hard. We wanted 1:39:15.920 --> 1:39:17.680 to be really easy. And I don't know what it 1:39:17.840 --> 1:39:20.200 is if it's that's feeling, it's that spark, it's that lover, 1:39:20.320 --> 1:39:22.960 it's that maturity that finally makes us get off our butts. 1:39:23.680 --> 1:39:25.400 But yeah, there is a certain kind of I don't 1:39:25.560 --> 1:39:29.000 and I think it's also guys that want. Guys want 1:39:29.120 --> 1:39:33.479 to be wanted. We want I don't want. I want 1:39:33.520 --> 1:39:35.360 the opposite. I really hate it, and I want to earn. 1:39:35.960 --> 1:39:39.280 I don't know why. Why do you do what? Why 1:39:39.320 --> 1:39:41.040 do you like? It's a contraing in me. If you 1:39:41.080 --> 1:39:42.600 don't want me, I want you to want me, and 1:39:42.600 --> 1:39:43.920 if you want me, I don't want you to be wanting. 1:39:43.920 --> 1:39:45.680 I don't want want more. But how are you going 1:39:45.720 --> 1:39:49.280 to have something like significant? I'm not so I can 1:39:49.400 --> 1:39:51.120 shake that, and trust me, I know it's a character 1:39:51.280 --> 1:39:55.080 fall or flaw. I'm sorry, Um, it's just that's how 1:39:55.080 --> 1:39:56.320 I am and I think about all the time. But 1:39:56.360 --> 1:40:00.360 that makes me so sad. I'm happy, like makes me 1:40:00.439 --> 1:40:02.479 sad because like, I want you to see what we 1:40:02.560 --> 1:40:04.639 all see in you. But the point is, it's it's 1:40:04.720 --> 1:40:07.400 this weird complex that I have my brain where if you, 1:40:07.560 --> 1:40:09.000 like I said, if you want me, I don't want, 1:40:09.320 --> 1:40:10.680 you don't want me, and if you don't want me 1:40:10.720 --> 1:40:12.600 that I want you want. It's almost like you you 1:40:12.760 --> 1:40:15.240 pursue somebody and when they finally are like okay, yes 1:40:15.400 --> 1:40:20.200 I'm here for You're like totally, that's so much. The 1:40:20.240 --> 1:40:22.320 reason I say that is because I'm very similar to 1:40:22.640 --> 1:40:24.479 Yah Sarah. Do you have advice for being on this 1:40:24.600 --> 1:40:26.400 because we might need a professional for this. Yeah, we 1:40:26.400 --> 1:40:29.720 need a sex serapist opinion on this, please. Yeah. The 1:40:29.880 --> 1:40:32.240 question is the question is is there any hope for me? 1:40:33.600 --> 1:40:37.800 Or look at your face for your I'm glad that 1:40:37.880 --> 1:40:39.680 my face is the only thing that makes Garry think 1:40:39.720 --> 1:40:41.960 that there's hope. But what I'm saying is, though the 1:40:42.040 --> 1:40:44.360 way you get to the point of thinking I deserve 1:40:44.479 --> 1:40:47.400 this is difficult. Well, here's the challenge hard, here's the 1:40:47.479 --> 1:40:50.400 challenging thing now too, is there's a podcast with three 1:40:50.479 --> 1:40:54.040 hosts and I'm the only single person. Now apparently, boy, 1:40:54.240 --> 1:40:58.519 let's jump into Vanessa's new boyfriend real quick, can't we? Yes? 1:40:58.600 --> 1:41:02.080 We can? We? Are you shaking your head over there? 1:41:02.120 --> 1:41:03.800 You can stop talking about it when the guests were 1:41:03.880 --> 1:41:06.160 in here, right, Well, I just don't want to talk 1:41:06.160 --> 1:41:08.880 about it right now. But maybe next week I'll give 1:41:08.880 --> 1:41:12.760 you some. But here's the thing. Last time you did this, 1:41:13.280 --> 1:41:16.000 you ended up having went to a wedding with a dog. 1:41:16.920 --> 1:41:19.040 Tell us it's a little bit more substantial than that. Well, 1:41:19.120 --> 1:41:21.200 I told you the guy that I kissed on You 1:41:22.560 --> 1:41:26.599 said you kissed the guy on New Year's Human Mail. Okay, 1:41:26.640 --> 1:41:28.439 so we're gonna dive a little more into that relationship 1:41:28.640 --> 1:41:35.040 next episode. Whatever I'm comfortable sharing. Well, but the fact 1:41:35.080 --> 1:41:36.720 that you're teasing it like this means it's got to 1:41:36.760 --> 1:41:39.759 be a good payoff. You gotta give us a legitimate 1:41:39.800 --> 1:41:42.519 payoff next week. You can't just he has brown hair. 1:41:42.680 --> 1:41:46.400 They're done. He doesn't have brown Oh, all right, we're 1:41:46.479 --> 1:41:49.200 narrowing it down. It's like playing the game. Guests who 1:41:49.320 --> 1:41:54.160 you know he doesn't hear glasses? All right, let's thank 1:41:54.200 --> 1:41:56.360 some people, shall we yes, big big thank you of 1:41:56.479 --> 1:42:00.599 course to Vanessa's favorite support company in the world, third 1:42:00.680 --> 1:42:03.400 love dot com. Be sure to check them out. Go 1:42:03.479 --> 1:42:06.559 to third love dot com slash Vanessa and get off 1:42:06.640 --> 1:42:09.960 your very first purchase. They're an incredible company. Um obviously, 1:42:10.000 --> 1:42:11.800 thank you to twenty three and Me. We love them 1:42:11.880 --> 1:42:13.600 so much. 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Big thank you 1:42:45.840 --> 1:42:49.400 to the wicked good host, Mark Wallberg, Mark all the 1:42:49.439 --> 1:42:51.639 other Mark Waalbark Now, big thank you to Mark Warward 1:42:51.680 --> 1:42:55.720 for joining us in studio as well Chad Johnson. Big 1:42:55.760 --> 1:42:58.439 thank you to Chad Johnson The Bachelor and now this 1:42:58.560 --> 1:43:02.120 week this on the big Song the Beach. There's always 1:43:02.200 --> 1:43:04.120 one that I love and we'll look back on this 1:43:04.240 --> 1:43:05.920 year as one of my favorites because we're all in 1:43:05.960 --> 1:43:09.760 the studio together. It's so much better when we're all 1:43:09.760 --> 1:43:12.719 in the studio together. The flow is better, the vibe 1:43:12.800 --> 1:43:14.839 is better. It is so hard being on the opposite 1:43:14.920 --> 1:43:16.519 end because I'm like, I don't know if they hear me, 1:43:16.640 --> 1:43:18.800 should I interrupt now, because I think there's like a 1:43:18.880 --> 1:43:22.479 couple of seconds delay, and it's just it's so off 1:43:22.640 --> 1:43:25.479 and I'm so happy. The moral of the story is 1:43:25.520 --> 1:43:27.960 the Vanessa you have to move back to l A 1:43:28.560 --> 1:43:33.680 because we just need it's it's for the podcast. So 1:43:33.960 --> 1:43:36.880 he doesn't have dark hair and he's not we're getting 1:43:36.920 --> 1:43:38.599 we're narrowing it down for next d Is it weird 1:43:38.640 --> 1:43:41.080 that I'm like kind of low key jealous. You're jealous 1:43:41.360 --> 1:43:43.919 a little bit? All right, let's tap into that next Anyways, 1:43:45.400 --> 1:43:48.839 next week's episode of Help I Suck at Dating? Apparently 1:43:48.960 --> 1:43:50.560 I'm the only one that might need to suck a 1:43:50.640 --> 1:43:54.200 little bit less. Follow help by Suck at Dating with Dean, 1:43:54.320 --> 1:43:57.200 Vanessa and Jared on I Heart Radio or wherever you 1:43:57.320 --> 1:43:58.120 listen to podcast