WEBVTT - Conversations About How Thriller Came About (RIP Micheal Jackson) 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:04.360 What's up? And welcome back to another episode of No 0:00:04.480 --> 0:00:07.440 Sealers Podcast with your hosts Now fuck that with your 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:16.480 load glasses Malone. Oh man, it's one of those days. 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:21.759 One of those days, isn't it? So many things, man, 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:34.280 so many things. Today. I met Thai No, no, Paul, bro, 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:36.160 I'm going to eat tay food. 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:36.360 Oh. 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:38.680 I think you said you're going to meet Thai, like 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:40.800 meet up, going to eat Thaie? 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:41.720 Got you? 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:42.560 That should be nice? 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:43.640 What are you? What are you gonna have? 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:47.680 They have these noodles. I don't quite know how to 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:52.320 pronounce them. Let me see like a past see you, 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:59.960 that's exactly how you pronounced yeah, past lou gotcha. Yeah. 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:07.240 And it's a tired place right here. That's really good. 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:12.479 I tried something and it was fire. And today I'm 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:14.240 gonna get them and ship. It was really good. 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:20.240 Great country speaking man. 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:25.920 And and uh, it's been in a crazy morning, man. 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:28.679 I was just I was on clubhouse with the hommies. 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:35.360 And you know what I can't stand, bro, I hate 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:42.120 when people advocate for Satan. That bothers me when they 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:47.120 play the Devil's advocate. Mm hmm, I cannot stand that. 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:48.560 Like and I saw like. 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:51.240 Advocate. 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:54.480 Yeah. Yeah, it's like they advocate and say, but well, 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:56.320 let me be the devil's advocate. Why do you want 0:01:56.360 --> 0:01:58.360 to advocate for that? Dude? You know what I'm saying, Like, 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:01.680 what's the point of it? But it's been it's been 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:04.680 one of those mornings, man. But last Monday we were 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:08.760 supposed to talk about it was the birthday for Thriller 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:12.359 the single was released. That would have been the forty 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:21.320 No thirty forty forty first, forty first birthday for Thriller 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:27.720 forty first. Yes, that the single came out in eighty 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:33.000 three is November eleventh, eighty three. But the Homie twine 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:36.400 passed away and it just really rocked me to the 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:38.600 core over the weekend, so I didn't really get a 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:43.960 chance to talk about that song and all of the 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:46.480 different fly stuff that was happening. So again, this is 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:51.639 No Sentlers Live Lunch Hour every Monday, Wednesday and Friday 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:55.720 at noon specific standard time. Click the thumbs up, let 0:02:55.720 --> 0:03:01.799 everybody know you hear, show some love. Going to the description, 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:08.600 click the No Sellers podcast. Subscribe to it Apple Podcasts, 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:11.480 anywhere you get your podcasts. Executive produced by Charlotmagne and 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:16.960 God Black effect network and iHeart so yeah, I'm still 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:20.240 working through this Twine everything going on with Twine. Like, 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:26.440 I'm still working through it. It's really hard. It's crazy 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:28.040 how hard it is, but we gotta work through it. 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:31.239 And it's kind of been still in my joy, you 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:33.320 know what I mean, to some degree, especially like when 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:36.800 I'm going, like I'm a lot better when I'm offline, 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:39.000 but whenever I'm in the space with people that I 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:42.600 feel like, or whenever I'm in a place where I 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:48.320 shared a certain thing with Twine, it just get really 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:52.360 hard for me. It ain't be right. So I'm working 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:54.080 through it. It's gonna take me a good week even 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:56.920 you know, when I'm in the clubhouse space with my 0:03:56.960 --> 0:04:04.520 brother traps travel just hopped out. It's just been tough, 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:06.440 you know what I mean. Like it's tough. It's tough 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:09.800 like certain certain certain lights you know, when you lose 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:14.160 that light, you know what I'm saying. It really it 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:19.000 really kind of throws you off, you know what I'm saying. 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:21.920 And I ain't really been right. So I'm gonna try 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:26.760 to keep working through it. But today again, like I said, 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:31.320 I'm gonna get Tai noodles, uh I tasted them. They 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:35.960 was really good, right, so I'm gonna finally eat the 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:39.560 whole plate of them. And I wanted to make sure 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:43.640 we got back to that Michael Jackson's Thriller single Birthday. 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:48.600 That's the last single off the Thriller album. Most likely 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:51.760 the greatest music video of all time came from that 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:58.080 song and just a sheer phenomenon. I was watching a 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:04.600 dope documentary on Showtime on the Showtime app and they 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:07.839 were talking about how that album was selling. Like that album, 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:11.200 like roughly I think it was. They put out seven 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:15.039 or eight singles. The first seven singles if that was 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:17.520 the A for the ninth single, The first seventh or 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:20.520 a singles pushed the album to two or three million 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:23.800 times platinum. Like people don't realize it came out in 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:28.039 eighty two, and over that whole next twelve months, the 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:31.280 album only was at two to three million times platinum. 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:33.440 With all of those big smash records that was on 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:37.000 the Thriller album. And when they decided to put out 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:41.719 the Thriller song as the last single, right, Mike kept 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:44.839 pushing for it. That's when he goes and gets the 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:47.160 real big film producer to shoot the music video. They 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:50.320 come up with the idea Mike MTV, who didn't even 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:53.960 want to play Michael Jackson videos, you know initially, like 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:56.080 Sony had to go hard to get them to play 0:05:56.080 --> 0:06:00.679 the videos. They financed the idea for the Thriller music video. 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:03.720 Most people don't know so shut out to TIMTV for 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:06.719 you know, coming that three sixty turn to where they 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:09.640 finally realized that we brought value to the space and 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:12.159 they financed it and John Landis shot the video and 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:17.800 it became this huge video right with everything. You know, 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:21.120 it kind of changed music at that point. That that's 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:25.080 one of those things where Michael Jackson is probably undercredited, 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:26.680 you know what he was able to do with the 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:29.160 music video because he was at he was at the 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:35.320 dawn of it to some degree, that video coming out 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:42.120 and becoming the you know, impacting the world. It made. 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:44.920 The album sold twice as many, like right, it went 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:50.560 from two to three million to four to six million 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:55.000 so week, no, no, no, no, that's how much it 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:59.080 actually caught up in those next couple of months. Yeah, 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:01.720 so he was rough somewhere between four to six million 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:04.680 going into eighty four, you know what I mean. When 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:07.320 he was in eighty four and then when his hair 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:11.440 caught on fire, that's when he started selling a million 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:16.160 a week and obvious, Yeah, we have the greatest and 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:22.160 most successful selling album of all time. Yeah. That was 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:24.480 like Donald Trump when he got a shot that, he 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:26.679 was like fight, that was Michael Jackson. 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:30.000 You're paying Michael oh yo know. 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:31.680 And this is what made me want to talk about it. 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:33.440 This is I'm glad you got Yeah, go ahead. 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:39.400 I've just seen something earlier that was stating that how close. 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:42.880 I never knew that Michael Jackson and Trump was really 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:46.760 like good friends. Yeah, he was really stated that in 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:51.400 ninety three when when they first started putting the like 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:55.920 the child allegations against against Michael Jackson, Trump took Trump 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:58.680 took Michael Jackson in for like now, Michael Jackson looked 0:07:58.680 --> 0:07:59.800 with Trump for nine months. 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:00.880 Yeah what I'm saying. 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:04.160 Those then those those allegations went away and all that, 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:07.360 and when they came back around in two thousand and three, 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:11.520 Kamala was I might say her name wrong, but she 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:12.160 was leading. 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:15.320 I called a Kala the other day for some reason. 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:15.720 I don't know what. 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:18.880 She has actually said it both ways herself. 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:26.600 Yeah, yeah, unique so so so in two thousand and three. 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:30.080 She she was leading charge on the allegations at that time, 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:33.280 and like she was saying, like I mean, she was 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:33.959 saying some real shit. 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:35.440 She was saying, yo, when the. 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:39.240 Child said something, there's no lie for Chad said, the 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:40.320 child said, there's no lie. 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:43.040 That's what it is. Like that, and they's saying that. 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:46.040 Trump took took that and was like, all right, you 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:48.720 know what, and like him beating her in the race 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:51.240 was like his way of getting back at her for 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:53.160 what she was doing with Michael Jackson during that time. 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:56.200 Yeah, they framed it really dope they framed it. I mean, 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:58.200 I don't I don't think that's truly the story. I mean, 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:00.360 it could be in the back of Trump mine. He 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:02.480 seemed like one of those people that don't forget me. 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:05.760 I could believe it. But yeah, I was looking at 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:08.400 that whole story. But I remember that in real time, 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:11.800 Trump's sticking up from Michael Jackson, you know what I mean. 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:13.880 And that was dope, you know what I mean, because 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:17.120 Mike really needed it at that time. Everybody had the 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:19.000 worst things to say about Mike, you know how the 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:23.920 court of public opinion goo. But I said all that 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:28.520 to say that, Wow, thriller is the greatest music video. 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:31.640 And that album, you know, it's probably regarded as the 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:36.120 greatest album ever. That song is probably the most I 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:38.800 cannot that song is not even really that great. I 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:41.280 mean it's really great. It's not a good song. 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:46.719 It's all a song you listened to by itself, you 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:53.240 know what I mean. It's yeah, it's not like The 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:54.640 Godfather or something. 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:59.360 You okay, okay, say the words the Thriller without looking 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:03.679 at your phone. I said, it's still no, no, no, 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:10.600 the first one. You don't know the words. We heard 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:11.080 that song. 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:11.800 It's a groove. 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:12.640 It's a groove. 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:13.640 It's growth. 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:16.280 I'm not disagreeing. I mean, and they stole the groove 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:20.200 of Rick James recipece to quince. They stole that groove 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:25.040 from Rick James. That song is the most overrated song 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:26.520 in life. 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:29.760 But that's the most Halloween song. When Halloween comes around, 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:32.600 you gotta play that song. It didn't even got released 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:33.600 on Halloween. 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:36.000 Halloween. 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:38.680 No, this is why we were supposed to celebrate the 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:41.520 birthday of the single being released, the music video being 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:44.400 released on the eleventh. But you know, obviously Twine recipeace 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:46.920 tot Homie Twine. But it's like I got threw off. 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:50.080 But yes, it came out in November. I remember it 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:52.520 came out of November as a little little little kid. 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:56.360 It was after thrilling, so we made it after that. 0:10:56.559 --> 0:10:59.440 When I was thinking of myself, I'm like, I've always 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:03.680 said this that this song is the most overrated song 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:07.040 in life, like on the Michael Jackson songs. Now greatness. 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:10.960 You can't deny the greatness it impacted. It's like unbelievable, 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:14.240 But people don't know the song, you know what I mean. 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:16.480 The video is for sure the greatest video by far. 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:21.520 It's it's unbelievable, but the damn song is really not 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:22.640 that great. 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:24.800 It's the kind of song that they used to kind 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:26.360 of make back in the day. I think it's like 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:27.320 a sweet you know. 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:30.199 You know, I'm talking about those kind of songs where it's. 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:32.959 Not Mike Minnues Mike the minies for the correction. The 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:35.640 video came out December. You're right. The song came out 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:38.040 in November. They started working a song the radio in November. 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:40.240 It wasn't December. Shout out to Mike for that. 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:44.080 Yeah, but it's it's it's the kind of song that 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:49.200 I mean, it's exactly what it proved itself to be. 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:52.880 It's not a great standalone single. It's the kind of 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:56.160 song that does really well with the video. I mean 0:11:56.160 --> 0:11:58.280 you hear you see the songs like that sometimes with 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:02.840 you know, the playover in movies or in TV shows. 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:06.360 You're not gonna listen to it by itself. Yeah, Like 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:09.000 remember that that they did that show what it was called. 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:12.960 It was like a Netflix show about like the beginning 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:15.520 of the FBI and serial killer investigations. 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:16.800 Yeah, it's a cool show. 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:20.440 Yeah, I like that show. 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:21.200 They had they had. 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:22.920 Contract issues and never made a third season. It was 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:23.400 a cool show. 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:25.720 And at the end they would play like these really 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:29.480 obscure led Zeppelin songs, which are great for cinematography, but 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:31.440 they're not like a song you turn on you hop 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:34.000 in the car. It was kind of the same type 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:36.960 of thing, Like it was this song that lends itself 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:41.600 great to a holistic media experience, but not like just 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:42.719 a standalone like. 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:44.000 Are we gonna. 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:45.760 Yeah, but. 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:49.840 Hear it that way though, that's how we hear it. 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:53.720 That's how we don't hear it like that. We hear 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:56.959 it like it's a song like Hotel California, or it's 0:12:57.000 --> 0:12:59.520 a song like g thing we hear it that way. 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:02.600 I agree it is definitely a stage center as a song. 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:06.280 But I was doing some research. This is came when 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:09.360 I came across all my studies traveling. People make fun 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:11.600 of me because they be like glasses didn't figure out 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:17.439 hip hop un till you know, four years. And I'm 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:19.760 not upset at that because I don't. I've never felt 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:23.880 entitled to something because I'm culturally like, I'm aware it exists, 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:25.880 Like I never felt entitled, Like. 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:29.360 It's just because. 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:31.680 People live in LA that don't mean they know about 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:32.920 blood and crippon. 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:36.200 Come on, you gotta stop throwing shots at Sherry. 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:38.760 No, No, I'm just not even Sherry. I'm just saying 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:41.560 in general, there is a nuance. I've even had conversations 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:43.800 with the Homeboys, and I realized not from the game, 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:47.520 but they don't quite know, like because if they don't participate, 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:50.280 they don't know. They never really got the depth of 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:53.160 what's going on. But that's how I always felt about 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:56.000 hip hop, like, yeah, I kind of know what it is, right, 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:58.280 I've heard the songs, I've heard the music, but I 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:00.680 didn't know what it was like I saw Beach Street 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:03.400 in real time I saw crush groove in real time, 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:06.360 but that don't really explain to you what's happening, you 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:08.080 know what I'm saying. You just see it and then 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:12.000 people inherently feel like like, oh, I got it. That's 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:14.400 like black people thinking they can make soulful just because 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:16.760 they black. It's like, no, bro, this is is something 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:19.200 good going It's something more than this going on that 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:20.120 you should tap into. 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:26.560 When would you say, like, I think, I think like 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:30.920 hip hop and gang banging was was like tim of 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:32.400 change is going on at the same time. 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:37.160 Did you say that though? Yeah, you know what I'm saying, most. 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:38.920 Theoretically got birthed in around sixty nine. 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:42.200 Sixty nine, they say hip hop, you saying both was 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:43.040 sixty nine. 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:45.080 Birth and as far as the birth of the idea, 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:47.840 and then they became something that people talk about in 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:48.560 the seventies. 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:52.640 Yeah, so so then I just feel like as if 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:56.520 as as gang banging was going on, well, gang culture 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:59.400 was going on in the on the West Coast. I'm 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:01.280 saying not to say it wasn't a gangshit going on 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:03.360 within the East Coast, but just like. 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:07.280 That we're talking about that everybody that they talk about, Yeah, 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:10.200 that version of the gang stuff. Yeah, so it was 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:11.600 like that, you know what I'm saying. And it was 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:15.600 like I think the collision of it, like East Coach 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:18.240 got onto it like that, probably like around ninety four, 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:20.520 like that, you know what I'm saying, Like they started. 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:22.200 So I think it was just it was just like 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:25.440 two culture culturally things that was going on that just 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:27.680 it was separate but at the same time going at 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:32.440 the same time. Though, if you think about America, Black 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:37.200 America specifically Yo that laid into the sixties and that 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:40.040 early into the seventies, you feel me, this is when 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:42.920 we start really going through a different level of hardship again. 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:46.520 Because remember it kind of got sweet for Black Americans 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:49.640 when it came to like economics, like there was a 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:52.760 lot of opportunities. People was moving to Detroit and getting 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:55.360 those really good jobs the whole rust belt, like me 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:57.200 and Pete talk about it all the time, where all 0:15:57.240 --> 0:16:00.640 of these opportunities you know what I mean, were happening. 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:07.240 So yeah, things were birth go ahead. I'm sorry, Pete. 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:10.680 I think additionally, also if you look at the chronology 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:14.280 of it, you had a bunch of people from a 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:19.800 pretty largely distributed rural South moving for the first time 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:25.200 into concentrated urban centers from different places, and that's the 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:28.120 generation of the first like what would be like an immigrant, 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:31.440 like the first born actually kids that were born there 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:35.560 creating their own culture organically in a totally different environment. 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:40.280 Sure, without without opportunity. Yeah sure it was getting crazy. 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:43.040 But what's funny is gang culture birth hip hop? 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:44.680 Yeah in New York. 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:47.280 But the way New York do their things based off 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:50.880 of that, right, because remember everybody in gang banging was 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:53.200 doing the same thing. Like there's this belief that is 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:56.200 something different and it's not. I mean, I mean people 0:16:56.200 --> 0:16:59.080 in New York was fighting hip hop. Early dudes were fighters. 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:02.040 Like we talked about Cane off air on different ideas, 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:05.360 like he was a squabbler and he had no problem 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:08.280 putting tips on people, Like if you was somebody he 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:12.399 thought was on some sucker tips hands you feel me? 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:15.960 So the same thing birth, the same type of you 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:20.359 know them, Yeah, exactly right. It's just for some reason 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:24.240 ours just got really popular. Well and you know what 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:27.200 is no I take that back, because there are somewhere 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:29.840 along the line where the industry and music was in 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:32.399 New York to where they were able to showcase it. 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:35.800 I mean just like we had Hollywood to showcase what 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:39.640 made R street urban culture, probably because remember the films 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:42.760 is where you had little stories. But it was different 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:46.320 when Colors came out. That's when the world was really like, oh, 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:47.200 that's what they doing. 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:50.119 Question. 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:53.280 Yeah, so if at the time simultaneous so you have 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:55.399 kind of the same kind of street level stuff as 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:57.800 so far as the games go, however, defined everyone to 0:17:57.880 --> 0:17:58.159 find a. 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:00.960 Branded label or whatever just for the sake of expeditious 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:01.560 You know. 0:18:02.960 --> 0:18:08.000 In New York that cultural phenomenon also led to a 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:12.119 musical genre that hit critical mass that then afterwards in 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:14.840 LA kind of hit critical mass. Was there a musical 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:18.480 genre that hit critical mass simultaneously in LA that didn't 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:22.080 really get off and was subsequently replaced You know what 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:23.520 I'm saying, Well. 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:25.800 And this is why I think people had it wrong 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:28.560 with hip hop is they keep thinking it's about music. 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:31.879 It's not. It's really about the way people behaved in 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:35.400 the streets, how they expressed themselves artistically. Right. 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:38.520 So it's like, but was there was there. 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:43.000 A sound in nineteen seventy two that was unique. 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:45.000 To LA that just didn't materialize? 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:48.199 But that's not what happened in New York. Neither you 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:53.840 get what I'm saying that is much more. The layer 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:57.080 of the story is kind of unders like when I 0:18:57.119 --> 0:18:58.879 talk to a lot of the legendary dudes from the 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:02.000 Bronx that was putting put me up on it. The 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:04.560 version of hip hop we hear in the eighties is 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:07.560 not the version of it in the seventies. Like it 0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:10.840 really wasn't about records hip hop records in the seventies 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:13.960 that that didn't really exist. You feel what I'm saying. 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:18.480 It wasn't you know? It was they were formulating styles. 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:21.880 They start making styles. How you do things right, it's 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:25.480 certain ways, how you dj how they were rocking the parties, 0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:29.480 how people dance, how people tagged, how people dress, how 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:32.800 people look. That's just like game banging. People don't realize 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:35.560 in game banging, the color blue is not in this 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:38.240 It's not in the genesis of being a crypt. It 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:41.120 didn't start that way becuz it's not an original term 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:43.639 that cribs used to use. Dickies and chucks is not 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:47.560 an original term or original fashion that cribs used to wear. 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:49.479 They used to get flawed, used to have these hats 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:53.200 and leather jackets and slacks and hard bottoms and they 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:56.040 was some fresh dudes like, but that was what they 0:19:56.080 --> 0:19:58.359 were doing in the streets at the time, just like 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:01.679 hip hop in New York. It was quite the version 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:05.280 of it that that got popular that gang bagging in LA. 0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:08.480 Like that version of gang Bagan did not get popular. 0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:12.680 The version that evolved into the eighties got popular. Same 0:20:12.760 --> 0:20:15.280 for hip hop and New York. Just like in LA, 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:19.520 that's the version that got popular. That's when it became overdefined. 0:20:19.920 --> 0:20:21.080 You know what I'm saying, Like. 0:20:21.080 --> 0:20:27.840 I remember you played a but like, do you remember 0:20:28.520 --> 0:20:29.920 there's a piece I think was it? 0:20:30.600 --> 0:20:32.760 I forgot exactly what was talking was it was an 0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:35.760 old old school oh g talking about the nineteen seventies. 0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:37.200 We took you in the car and these guys and 0:20:37.200 --> 0:20:40.159 they were playing I forgot the rest of So he 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:43.080 was talking about the old song and the only time. 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:52.000 This was in seventy five, seventy six, and he was 0:20:52.040 --> 0:20:54.760 saying the only time that there's only been one or 0:20:54.800 --> 0:20:56.719 two times in life. He got to hang out with 0:20:57.359 --> 0:21:00.680 Raymond Washington who started Cribs and Tookie kind of became 0:21:00.720 --> 0:21:03.520 the most popular member, and he was telling the story. 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:11.800 Zoom commodores us it on glass House one, you know 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:16.199 what I mean where he's explaining the story. So, I 0:21:16.200 --> 0:21:20.600 mean LA has its own sound, but not nothing like 0:21:20.640 --> 0:21:23.600 the way we hear it right Sunshine Pop. You know 0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:27.760 what I'm saying. That's LA sound, right, that's association turtles, 0:21:28.200 --> 0:21:32.000 all that stuff, Beach Boys, that is an LA sound. 0:21:33.640 --> 0:21:36.679 The version of hip hop we're defined as right is 0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:39.520 kind of g funk. That's kind of the closest in 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:40.359 today's time. 0:21:40.720 --> 0:21:41.200 Look at that. 0:21:43.200 --> 0:21:47.200 But again, the version of culture right in New York 0:21:47.240 --> 0:21:49.720 in the seventies and the version of culture in the 0:21:49.760 --> 0:21:53.199 seventies in LA is not the one that's popular. The 0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:56.640 version what the eighties kids deal with it is when 0:21:56.680 --> 0:22:01.480 it became the phenomenon, It became the fat the eighties kids, 0:22:01.520 --> 0:22:04.639 when the second generation or third generation got their hands 0:22:04.680 --> 0:22:08.160 on it is I think the it's fair to say 0:22:08.200 --> 0:22:12.600 disco disco King Mario and and HRK and and and 0:22:12.880 --> 0:22:15.639 everybody laid the foundation. But what Bam and them was 0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:19.920 able to do with it, right, damn you know, Larry Smith, Houdini, 0:22:20.080 --> 0:22:23.960 Russ Russell Simmons, obviously U L A L Run DMC. 0:22:24.240 --> 0:22:28.000 That's where the hip hop we know it as, just 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:31.160 like with gang banging. It's it, you know, we don't 0:22:31.240 --> 0:22:37.240 know the version that Raymond took he uh uh rest 0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:39.159 in peace to the hommy that just passed away to 0:22:39.240 --> 0:22:43.359 g hommy. Uh he from out he from out the ugs, 0:22:43.560 --> 0:22:47.800 oh Man, Pooky barefoot Pooky. We don't know that version 0:22:48.160 --> 0:22:51.520 of gang banging, Like we never saw that. The version 0:22:51.560 --> 0:22:54.719 that everybody the world got a borrow of culturally was 0:22:55.240 --> 0:22:59.720 them dudes in the eighties wearing dickies and Chucks and colors, 0:23:00.080 --> 0:23:03.359 you know, saying cuz and blood Like that's not the seventies, 0:23:04.760 --> 0:23:07.640 that's not original gang bang. It just like in hip hop, 0:23:07.760 --> 0:23:10.639 like how Mall started doing his thing in the eighties 0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:13.919 because his sound defined what we think of when we 0:23:13.960 --> 0:23:16.879 say real hip hop. When they say that, they specifically 0:23:16.880 --> 0:23:20.560 talking about New York and they're talking about a specific style. 0:23:21.359 --> 0:23:26.840 Ma wasn't the most successful producer in the eighties, Lory 0:23:27.359 --> 0:23:30.159 wiping the floor with Malls in the eighties when it 0:23:30.280 --> 0:23:33.919 comes to actually selling records and having the cuts. But 0:23:34.160 --> 0:23:37.919 Mall style was such a cultural like reverence, like it's 0:23:38.000 --> 0:23:41.639 it's a it's so innovative that people just was like 0:23:41.680 --> 0:23:44.200 in love with it, just like gang bang and the Dickies, 0:23:44.240 --> 0:23:48.000 the Chucks, the Pendletons. That type of poverty A mall 0:23:48.119 --> 0:23:52.600 is the same way making Larry could play Larry Larry 0:23:52.680 --> 0:23:57.680 is Larry's the original doctor Dre for better sake, because 0:23:57.720 --> 0:24:00.040 Dre was around when Larry was around. But he's the 0:24:00.040 --> 0:24:04.840 original version of that, right, it's Sylvia Robinson, Larry Smith, 0:24:06.280 --> 0:24:15.680 Sylvia Robinson, Larry Smith. Uh too short? Four right, yep, 0:24:15.880 --> 0:24:18.040 eighty three, eighty four. But it's like three or four 0:24:18.080 --> 0:24:22.600 of those people that were playing the music. Yeah, they 0:24:22.640 --> 0:24:26.240 were playing the music, and and then mal comes. You know, 0:24:26.760 --> 0:24:30.200 true poverty innovates something to make it. He can't play, 0:24:30.480 --> 0:24:33.800 so he innovates something, you know what I'm saying. He 0:24:33.920 --> 0:24:38.879 innovates something to to make it work. And that's the 0:24:38.920 --> 0:24:42.679 same thing with Gang Bang, Right, it's taking that. You 0:24:42.680 --> 0:24:45.240 know those nine dollars shoes, you know how you put 0:24:45.240 --> 0:24:47.200 the shoe strings in them and you flip the tongue. 0:24:47.200 --> 0:24:51.080 It's taking that. You know that warehouse worker pans, I mean, 0:24:51.119 --> 0:24:53.080 put that big thick crease in that thing, you know 0:24:53.119 --> 0:24:55.400 what I'm saying, creasing them things up, that penalty that's 0:24:55.480 --> 0:24:57.359 it ain't even cold in you out here wearing this 0:24:57.920 --> 0:25:01.160 big old kind of warm. You know what I'm saying. 0:25:01.320 --> 0:25:04.560 That became what the world understood about the coaching. 0:25:06.760 --> 0:25:08.800 That's the fat, that's the fact. That's why I was 0:25:08.800 --> 0:25:11.160 telling my clak the other day. I said, Joe, I said, 0:25:11.520 --> 0:25:17.119 it's so crazy. It's because, like the hip hop culture 0:25:17.200 --> 0:25:19.240 was looked upon as being one separate, separate way. And 0:25:19.240 --> 0:25:21.520 I tell people this ship all the time. Though hip 0:25:21.520 --> 0:25:24.359 hop ain't really expand into the into what it was 0:25:24.440 --> 0:25:27.119 until we started seeing what hip hop with it like 0:25:27.200 --> 0:25:28.160 everywhere else stuff. 0:25:28.600 --> 0:25:29.200 You know what I'm saying. 0:25:29.240 --> 0:25:32.960 When people started, when people stopped looking at this is 0:25:32.960 --> 0:25:35.280 what hip hop got gotta be. It gotta be the 0:25:35.320 --> 0:25:37.320 way New York is doing it. It gotta be the 0:25:37.359 --> 0:25:38.920 way you know what I'm saying. Once they started going out. 0:25:38.960 --> 0:25:41.399 Once we've seen Too Short do Too Short way, and 0:25:41.440 --> 0:25:43.680 we've seen Luke do Luke way, and we seen what 0:25:43.720 --> 0:25:45.600 I'm saying, we said, anybody do that. We've seen Scofficks 0:25:45.600 --> 0:25:48.679 do his way. We started seeing hip hop being for 0:25:48.720 --> 0:25:50.240 what it could be. You know what I'm saying. Like that, 0:25:50.320 --> 0:25:52.000 you know what I'm saying. And that's when it got bigger, 0:25:52.200 --> 0:25:55.040 bigger to the to the I mean, I don't I 0:25:55.119 --> 0:25:57.119 think that it's it's not even a limit to what 0:25:57.160 --> 0:25:57.640 it could be. 0:25:57.720 --> 0:25:59.080 Like you know what I'm saying. We still know whether 0:25:59.119 --> 0:26:01.439 hip hop like in North Goda, I don't know. 0:26:02.680 --> 0:26:05.320 But but I think that's why I said street urban. 0:26:05.560 --> 0:26:08.520 That's why you won't get it for you, because they 0:26:08.520 --> 0:26:10.880 don't have the street urban scene. 0:26:12.040 --> 0:26:15.920 You don't think everywhere got street urban culture. No, I 0:26:15.960 --> 0:26:16.520 don't agree with that. 0:26:16.560 --> 0:26:20.840 I don't have rural Listen, it's not a shore got 0:26:20.880 --> 0:26:21.200 a hood. 0:26:21.280 --> 0:26:22.320 Everywhere got a hood. 0:26:23.440 --> 0:26:24.920 No, it's not necessarily. 0:26:26.160 --> 0:26:27.359 Everywhere has a hood. 0:26:27.680 --> 0:26:30.960 No, it's only very few hoods. 0:26:31.400 --> 0:26:32.400 No, I don't agree with that. 0:26:33.400 --> 0:26:36.560 Martina has a hood, Montilla has a hood. 0:26:37.680 --> 0:26:41.760 I ain't know who has a hood they No, they 0:26:41.800 --> 0:26:43.200 all don't have hoods. 0:26:44.240 --> 0:26:48.000 Well, like, here's an easy one. Here's the Spokane. Washington 0:26:48.160 --> 0:26:51.679 does for sure. Hell yeah, But but it doesn't have 0:26:51.760 --> 0:26:53.000 a cultural. 0:26:53.480 --> 0:26:56.359 Also because it has a hood. No, it needs to 0:26:56.400 --> 0:27:01.960 be densely populated by who. It don't matter. I'm saying, 0:27:02.040 --> 0:27:03.800 that's how you create culture. That's how you create a 0:27:03.840 --> 0:27:05.960 movement of people that talk the same way. Like if 0:27:05.960 --> 0:27:08.560 it's only three people talking that same way, and y'all poor, 0:27:08.680 --> 0:27:11.879 y'all not a hood. That's not it. You get what 0:27:11.880 --> 0:27:14.840 I'm saying, Like, what make the Bronx work is it's 0:27:14.880 --> 0:27:17.800 a lot of people would make Los Angeles or Memphis 0:27:17.880 --> 0:27:20.119 or Cleveland or Single it's a lot of people that 0:27:20.200 --> 0:27:21.320 behave this way culture. 0:27:21.840 --> 0:27:23.600 What made Texas work? 0:27:24.280 --> 0:27:25.680 Who hord Arthur? 0:27:25.760 --> 0:27:27.280 Texas Texas a hood? 0:27:27.520 --> 0:27:30.720 Yeah? Pa? But PA is like it's not. PA has 0:27:30.760 --> 0:27:39.520 probably got as many people as Compton. It's really small population. 0:27:40.520 --> 0:27:42.560 I always thought you just cares from Houston until like 0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:44.240 probably like ten years ago. 0:27:44.480 --> 0:27:46.840 Port Arthur got fifty five out and they was marketed 0:27:46.920 --> 0:27:52.240 kind of to some degree, it was that's there, And 0:27:52.280 --> 0:27:56.800 then that could also be why it's not as successful 0:27:56.800 --> 0:28:00.000 because it's not enough people to represent that particular movie. 0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:05.479 U GK. There're certainly are actually like around right now. 0:28:07.320 --> 0:28:10.320 That's not crazy. I'm saying p A is kind of smaller. 0:28:11.040 --> 0:28:11.800 Compton has one. 0:28:11.760 --> 0:28:15.840 Hundred Jackson right now, that's my guy. 0:28:16.359 --> 0:28:21.080 Not in Compton. It's kind of the same, but not really. 0:28:21.080 --> 0:28:23.240 No, because you can walk to a major metro, but 0:28:23.240 --> 0:28:25.760 you don't. You don't necessarily know for sure, like you 0:28:25.800 --> 0:28:26.760 know when you're in Compton. 0:28:26.800 --> 0:28:28.040 I get it, but like. 0:28:28.080 --> 0:28:28.720 You really know. 0:28:30.520 --> 0:28:33.840 I didn't know, I mean, you know you and if 0:28:33.880 --> 0:28:37.040 you're yeah, the streets, I don't know, because once you 0:28:37.119 --> 0:28:39.480 leave the Compton, I don't think you really know. 0:28:39.600 --> 0:28:45.360 It's blurry. You don't know if you just dumped me out. 0:28:42.560 --> 0:28:47.320 Of the Compton or Watts or whatever, or even the 0:28:47.360 --> 0:28:50.400 east side above Wats if there were no street signs, 0:28:50.640 --> 0:28:52.480 I'd have to really stare at it for a while. 0:28:52.640 --> 0:28:57.160 If you go to Port Arthur away hours away. 0:28:57.160 --> 0:29:01.560 When you go uptown, like as as some homies say uptown, 0:29:01.600 --> 0:29:04.240 when you go from the low Bottom east through you know, 0:29:04.320 --> 0:29:07.200 the low Bottoms to Watts, you know what I mean, 0:29:07.320 --> 0:29:11.760 and then you get to Compton, it does get nicer. Sure, 0:29:12.440 --> 0:29:15.520 so you wouldn't quite know what like based off of 0:29:15.560 --> 0:29:17.480 what you think of Compton because of the n W 0:29:17.680 --> 0:29:21.000 A straight out of Compton video. You have no idea 0:29:21.040 --> 0:29:22.840 what you're going to see until you see it. That's 0:29:22.880 --> 0:29:25.240 why most people come from out of town and be 0:29:25.320 --> 0:29:26.640 like this is Compton. 0:29:27.840 --> 0:29:28.080 Yeah. 0:29:28.200 --> 0:29:31.600 People people I knew from from like out here whatever 0:29:31.600 --> 0:29:33.200 that has been to La they were like wanted to 0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:35.040 go their how was their game? 0:29:35.120 --> 0:29:37.320 Bangers over in Crunch It's such a nice area. 0:29:38.240 --> 0:29:41.400 I'm like, so it was a movie it was a 0:29:41.440 --> 0:29:42.960 show on Amazon at one point. 0:29:43.160 --> 0:29:45.320 I don't know if I've seen it by seeing it though, 0:29:45.360 --> 0:29:46.520 but it was like it was like one of them 0:29:46.520 --> 0:29:49.480 spooky shows where it was like talking about like but 0:29:49.560 --> 0:29:52.160 it was. But it was based in Compton though, but 0:29:52.200 --> 0:29:55.440 they were showing how Compton at one point was it 0:29:55.680 --> 0:29:58.120 was like a mostly white community and shit like that, 0:29:58.360 --> 0:29:59.960 Like the first black family that moved in. 0:30:00.840 --> 0:30:03.480 My grandparents are from that, all that area, Like that 0:30:03.560 --> 0:30:04.680 generation of my family. 0:30:04.560 --> 0:30:05.400 Used to live over there. 0:30:05.560 --> 0:30:08.480 If you look at the Compton High School alumni, you 0:30:08.480 --> 0:30:11.160 know what I mean. In fifty five, the seniors, there 0:30:11.280 --> 0:30:13.680 was no black people. Just look at it, and and 0:30:13.760 --> 0:30:15.880 look at it. In sixty it looked different. But that 0:30:16.000 --> 0:30:18.720 goes to like somebody said, shout out to Alma Dix insider, 0:30:18.760 --> 0:30:22.040 shout out to everybody that's in the chat going crazy. 0:30:22.360 --> 0:30:24.800 White flight. That's what it's called. Shout out the fats, 0:30:25.280 --> 0:30:27.040 shout out the tiptoe tip, what's heading. 0:30:27.040 --> 0:30:31.040 Its back on the term white flight because I know 0:30:31.120 --> 0:30:33.000 the flyers, the. 0:30:34.520 --> 0:30:35.120 You know what I'm saying. 0:30:35.920 --> 0:30:37.640 It was like you have to you have. 0:30:37.560 --> 0:30:40.040 To move out for people to move in. 0:30:40.760 --> 0:30:44.000 Yes, that's what white flight is once one, but you have. 0:30:43.920 --> 0:30:45.400 To have a reason to move out. 0:30:45.680 --> 0:30:48.840 No, so it's called gentrification. It's called white plans. 0:30:50.120 --> 0:30:54.520 Our small tax lots with small match box houses on 0:30:54.600 --> 0:30:57.600 them or whatever. And the World War two economy exploded 0:30:57.640 --> 0:30:59.600 and all those people had enough money to get the 0:30:59.600 --> 0:31:01.520 hell of somewhere nicer, with bigger. 0:31:01.560 --> 0:31:05.160 It happened to the sixties though, the Lake fitties and sixties. 0:31:05.160 --> 0:31:07.600 If that's how it takes that amount of time to 0:31:08.480 --> 0:31:10.920 get buy house, build. 0:31:10.760 --> 0:31:16.600 Place happened so fast though, is over flight and gentrification 0:31:16.720 --> 0:31:19.600 is different. When Pete is arguing that white people didn't 0:31:19.600 --> 0:31:21.440 move because black people started moving in. 0:31:22.240 --> 0:31:24.920 They moved first. That's how they were able to move in. 0:31:25.360 --> 0:31:28.600 No, No, they didn't move first. That's why they were 0:31:28.720 --> 0:31:34.760 moving Pete. Because black people were moving in. Every house 0:31:34.840 --> 0:31:38.680 wasn't occupied. They had houses people wish. I'm not disagreeing 0:31:38.720 --> 0:31:43.440 that some people went to suburban areas. Suburban areas outside 0:31:43.480 --> 0:31:45.760 of Compton Lakewoods starting to come up at this time, 0:31:45.920 --> 0:31:49.680 waleflowers coming up at this time, all the opportunities in 0:31:50.000 --> 0:31:53.240 different houses, Pete. I agree, some people got houses in 0:31:53.400 --> 0:31:57.880 suburban areas. But once black people, Pete started moving in, 0:31:58.560 --> 0:32:00.520 white people left. 0:32:02.360 --> 0:32:05.240 I am looking around here around here. 0:32:07.040 --> 0:32:13.480 With these coons out of here. And you know what's crazy, Pete, 0:32:13.640 --> 0:32:18.000 they took the jobs with them, like you know, you 0:32:18.000 --> 0:32:20.560 know how because what defines an urban community is not 0:32:20.640 --> 0:32:24.040 a bunch of black people or you know, really somehow 0:32:24.160 --> 0:32:26.560 urban got confused with black, I guess because black people 0:32:26.760 --> 0:32:30.200 started moving the urban communities. But urban, I think the 0:32:30.240 --> 0:32:32.480 thought of it or the philosophy is a place you could. 0:32:32.280 --> 0:32:34.280 Work as the original PC tournament. 0:32:35.120 --> 0:32:38.520 Yeah, there you go, it is PC too. That's funny. 0:32:38.520 --> 0:32:41.920 You said fucking peak sick. So but yes, but I'm 0:32:41.920 --> 0:32:45.040 saying right, So you start going to suburban but all 0:32:45.080 --> 0:32:49.520 the jobs right in Compton are off Alameda. Shout out 0:32:49.520 --> 0:32:50.360 to squeezes. 0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:53.680 Jobs. 0:32:53.680 --> 0:32:58.560 There's not there's not enough jobs to support that entire area. 0:32:58.880 --> 0:33:00.800 And on that little strip just look at the zoning. 0:33:01.400 --> 0:33:03.720 No that it wasn't enough job to support that area. 0:33:04.800 --> 0:33:07.760 Work there, No, you didn't have to work there, but 0:33:07.800 --> 0:33:11.040 there was enough job. That's how you build an urban community. 0:33:11.520 --> 0:33:16.200 That's how, that's how. That's how Milton Hershey built Hershey, Pennsylvania. 0:33:16.760 --> 0:33:19.680 You create the place where people could work at, then 0:33:19.720 --> 0:33:22.920 you build houses where people can live that work there. 0:33:23.400 --> 0:33:25.920 That's how you build an urban community. The train tracks 0:33:25.920 --> 0:33:29.040 the Alamedia those jobs, it's enough jobs for them people 0:33:29.120 --> 0:33:32.560 right now it cold down there, not today because obviously 0:33:32.600 --> 0:33:36.280 it's crazy, right, But again it's rooted in the concept 0:33:36.320 --> 0:33:39.160 of near industry. And there was an industry right there, 0:33:39.720 --> 0:33:42.120 a huge industry down Alameda. Peter, if we drive, we 0:33:42.160 --> 0:33:45.680 need to go back down, dude. 0:33:47.960 --> 0:33:50.360 So I had a whole book of business in that area, 0:33:51.400 --> 0:33:53.160 like I used to. I used to be there ten 0:33:53.240 --> 0:33:53.840 hours a day. 0:33:54.240 --> 0:33:56.400 How many jobs you think is right there on Alameda 0:33:58.960 --> 0:34:05.719 going from going from the ninety one right, because remember 0:34:05.920 --> 0:34:09.520 initially what we call Rancho Dominga is was Compton. My 0:34:09.560 --> 0:34:11.440 mom used to work at the hospital when I was younger. 0:34:11.920 --> 0:34:16.000 Right from that job, all those back factories right behind 0:34:16.000 --> 0:34:18.120 you know where we street race at on Mansfield, all 0:34:18.160 --> 0:34:20.480 of that stuff, all the industry going all the way 0:34:20.520 --> 0:34:23.479 down to where Wats would be, which is probably let's 0:34:23.520 --> 0:34:30.239 say Elseigunda. How many jobs do you think realistically is 0:34:30.440 --> 0:34:35.239 inside of all of those I don't know. Possibly you're 0:34:35.239 --> 0:34:39.560 talking about three hundred different four hundred businesses right here. 0:34:40.840 --> 0:34:42.840 Fwo thousand, maybe ten twenty. 0:34:43.560 --> 0:34:46.399 But you also appreciate, like on both sides of Alameda, 0:34:46.480 --> 0:34:50.000 that's not just servicing Confident, servicing Compton, Lynwood, South Kate. 0:34:50.360 --> 0:34:54.480 It's servicing Los Angeles servicing cars, the big hubs there. 0:34:54.520 --> 0:34:56.279 I mean, just look at the times and places of 0:34:56.280 --> 0:34:59.640 what was going on at that time was still port centric. 0:34:59.680 --> 0:35:03.000 It was war machine economy, so it crept northward there. 0:35:03.040 --> 0:35:04.680 I mean, it was like Compton was one of the 0:35:04.760 --> 0:35:07.319 last places built because it was further and further out 0:35:07.320 --> 0:35:08.480 from the center points. 0:35:09.040 --> 0:35:12.719 Sure, I agree, I'm not disagreeing, and I don't think 0:35:12.800 --> 0:35:17.440 I'm saying there. Well, yes, I am saying there's probably 0:35:17.600 --> 0:35:19.680 enough jobs for most people there. 0:35:20.719 --> 0:35:22.880 There's almost a million people in that corridor. 0:35:23.280 --> 0:35:27.560 There's a lot. It's one hundred thousand people in Compton. Now, yeah, 0:35:27.600 --> 0:35:31.120 but that's not the corridor two sides of the street, 0:35:31.320 --> 0:35:34.000 no no, Yeah, but remember Compton is on both sides 0:35:34.000 --> 0:35:37.600 of the streets until you get no no, the whole 0:35:37.640 --> 0:35:42.920 time from the ninety one to else Gundo, that's all Compton. 0:35:43.520 --> 0:35:45.240 Yeah, I know that. I'm just saying. 0:35:46.040 --> 0:35:48.440 Now, when you go past else a Gundo Pete, then 0:35:48.520 --> 0:35:51.120 his watts like right where we at, or the pj's 0:35:51.200 --> 0:35:53.120 and all that. Then on the other side where you 0:35:53.120 --> 0:35:56.600 talking about this land Wood. Once you pass else south Kate, No, 0:35:56.760 --> 0:36:01.960 that's when you go past Imperial. Yeah, I'm sticking across 0:36:01.960 --> 0:36:04.399 from the grapes. So once you that's that's where boot 0:36:04.440 --> 0:36:08.040 shop at. Right when you cross Imperial, that's where Southgate 0:36:08.080 --> 0:36:10.880 started at. And then on the other side is watched there. 0:36:11.719 --> 0:36:14.120 So but yeah, it's it's so you don't believe in it. 0:36:14.160 --> 0:36:17.680 They're your white's life. That's deep you a degree. Yes, 0:36:18.040 --> 0:36:21.000 you don't think white people as a mask realized they 0:36:21.040 --> 0:36:22.520 did not want to live next to black people in 0:36:22.560 --> 0:36:23.000 the fifties. 0:36:23.400 --> 0:36:26.480 I think that that is true, but it's true for 0:36:26.680 --> 0:36:27.600 the latter portion. 0:36:28.200 --> 0:36:31.400 It wasn't the catalyst. The catalyst was a bunch of people. 0:36:32.200 --> 0:36:33.960 And I guess we hear every city. Different cities had 0:36:33.960 --> 0:36:36.600 different things going on. There was an enormous amount of money. 0:36:36.600 --> 0:36:41.600 Instead of California, The initial creation of vacancy was just 0:36:41.680 --> 0:36:45.640 people moving the nicer spots. The laggers got out because 0:36:45.680 --> 0:36:47.359 they were like, oh, these guys are gonna come here 0:36:47.360 --> 0:36:49.239 and fuck up a property value or to get out 0:36:49.239 --> 0:36:49.840 with the helly. 0:36:49.640 --> 0:36:53.040 Camp every man's white flight. 0:36:54.400 --> 0:36:55.680 I mean, I get what he said. 0:36:56.200 --> 0:36:57.600 It isn't like it. 0:36:58.000 --> 0:37:04.720 It isn't Lakewood being built at this time six houses 0:37:04.760 --> 0:37:06.640 in Downing. But what I'm saying, but just even going 0:37:06.680 --> 0:37:09.319 off the ninety one right, you got you got North 0:37:09.400 --> 0:37:12.440 Loan Beach, really, which kind of is I don't know 0:37:12.440 --> 0:37:16.560 what Long Beach is an urban community, but let's just say, 0:37:16.640 --> 0:37:19.000 let's just say, let's say once you pass North Long Beach, 0:37:19.040 --> 0:37:24.000 you got Lakewood, Bellflower Paramount mm hmm. 0:37:24.440 --> 0:37:27.440 Parts of Carson. I don't know what Carson was, Carson's 0:37:28.520 --> 0:37:30.759 Carson the same. 0:37:31.480 --> 0:37:34.319 Carson is a suburban community, which is weird because it 0:37:34.400 --> 0:37:36.719 kind of does have an urban appeal. I wonder it's 0:37:36.760 --> 0:37:38.160 Carson actually a suburb. 0:37:39.000 --> 0:37:41.719 I wouldn't call to scare. It's all to. 0:37:43.360 --> 0:37:47.120 Yeah, yeah, that's all from them album. 0:37:47.680 --> 0:37:47.879 Man. 0:37:47.920 --> 0:37:49.839 I gotta really get on and I haven't got a chance. 0:37:50.160 --> 0:37:52.759 Carson a suburb. 0:37:54.160 --> 0:37:58.239 The question is what is it a suburb of Is 0:37:58.239 --> 0:38:00.319 it a suburb of Long Beach or a suburb. 0:38:00.719 --> 0:38:05.040 And a suburb of Los Angeles? That had to be 0:38:05.080 --> 0:38:08.080 a suburb of Los Angeles. Oh, it is a suburb 0:38:08.120 --> 0:38:15.200 of Los Angeles. Now. It's funny because they have established 0:38:15.200 --> 0:38:18.319 their own kind of workforce too. It's just getting taken 0:38:18.360 --> 0:38:24.600 advantage of the opportunities there. I figured out why Thriller 0:38:25.320 --> 0:38:28.960 is so overrated as a song. It is great, don't 0:38:29.000 --> 0:38:34.200 get me wrong. It's accomplished more stuff than everything else, 0:38:34.280 --> 0:38:36.640 Like it's one of those songs it walk the Dog. 0:38:36.760 --> 0:38:39.600 The video, for sure is by far the greatest, the 0:38:39.600 --> 0:38:41.640 best music video in the history of music videos. I'm 0:38:41.719 --> 0:38:44.640 I'm good with saying that the song is overrated, but 0:38:44.680 --> 0:38:49.280 I realized why how they used to write songs, How 0:38:49.400 --> 0:38:52.480 Temperton and Quince and micing them was writing them songs. 0:38:52.719 --> 0:38:59.680 Have y'all ever heard this song? So this is how 0:38:59.719 --> 0:39:05.239 dope I'm no, but this is how dope I god 0:39:05.320 --> 0:39:07.640 with music. Let me tell you how dope I didn't 0:39:07.640 --> 0:39:09.560 got with music. And this is why I'm saying, like 0:39:09.880 --> 0:39:11.960 people even making jokes, it don't bother me because I 0:39:11.960 --> 0:39:14.359 didne got so dope with it that I used to 0:39:14.440 --> 0:39:16.680 listen to this song when I started understanding music. I'm like, 0:39:16.760 --> 0:39:19.920 this song don't make sense. And I remember mac ten 0:39:20.000 --> 0:39:22.120 telling me, like, what do you mean? I'm like, that 0:39:22.360 --> 0:39:25.560 song don't make sense. He's like, while I'm like, the 0:39:25.880 --> 0:39:30.080 what they're singing about theoretically don't fit. What's going on right, 0:39:30.120 --> 0:39:32.040 Like it's kind of too bright and I could tell 0:39:32.080 --> 0:39:35.600 they altered it right, but I didn't know why. I didn't. 0:39:35.680 --> 0:39:39.040 I didn't know why. So the way they would write right, 0:39:39.120 --> 0:39:41.880 Rod Temperton would hum these melodies over the music. 0:39:42.000 --> 0:39:42.120 Right. 0:39:42.160 --> 0:39:44.320 They would come up with a groove or a melody 0:39:44.360 --> 0:39:48.000 and they would hum their own vocal melody right to 0:39:48.120 --> 0:39:50.640 do it, and then Rod would go in and write words, 0:39:50.719 --> 0:39:53.960 or sometimes you would sit with Mike and right words right, 0:39:54.000 --> 0:39:56.759 and they would write words. So the original idea to 0:39:56.920 --> 0:39:59.960 that Rick James groove shout out to Rick James recipe 0:40:00.160 --> 0:40:03.000 Rick James, which that thriller groove is the groove from 0:40:03.040 --> 0:40:05.520 Give it to Me Baby, Dudo Doo Doo Doo doo, 0:40:06.200 --> 0:40:08.799 Dude do do do do do? They just looped the 0:40:08.800 --> 0:40:13.440 first part right, and I figured out what it was. 0:40:13.840 --> 0:40:17.000 They wrote Starlight Son. That was the idea for the song. 0:40:17.360 --> 0:40:19.800 So when they even produced it, that was the working 0:40:19.960 --> 0:40:22.799 song for that beat the whole time until close to 0:40:22.840 --> 0:40:26.800 the very end, and at the last minute they decided 0:40:26.800 --> 0:40:29.560 to change it. But if you listen to the thriller 0:40:29.640 --> 0:40:35.800 the words, it don't make sense. I know that sounds crazy, 0:40:36.480 --> 0:40:41.160 It don't make sense, like that's why nobody knows the 0:40:41.239 --> 0:40:43.560 damn words of the song unless you read them, because 0:40:43.640 --> 0:40:47.680 the focal point of the song because is not the words, 0:40:47.760 --> 0:40:51.440 it's the feel and the groove. They just wanted that 0:40:51.640 --> 0:40:55.719 urban groove on that album. Rick James was kicking the 0:40:55.880 --> 0:40:58.399 shit out of Prince and Michael Jackson at that time. 0:40:58.520 --> 0:41:01.839 He was whooping they as in the black clubs. They 0:41:02.120 --> 0:41:06.879 them two dudes could not hold a candle to Rick James. 0:41:07.600 --> 0:41:12.040 So I asked, I'll never forget, I asked Terris Martin. 0:41:12.560 --> 0:41:15.319 Everybody thought I was crazy. I said, Terris, tell me 0:41:15.880 --> 0:41:19.560 how envious Michael Jackson was a Rick James And he 0:41:19.719 --> 0:41:22.319 just laughed, and he was telling me a story that 0:41:22.400 --> 0:41:25.040 Quincy was telling him. They used to have a dark 0:41:25.080 --> 0:41:28.600 board in the studio with Rick James on the dark 0:41:28.640 --> 0:41:30.320 board and they would throw arts. 0:41:31.640 --> 0:41:38.160 That's crazy, right, What's so crazy is that you say 0:41:38.239 --> 0:41:40.680 that about him? And then Prince got his own like 0:41:40.960 --> 0:41:42.560 history with Rick James though too. 0:41:42.960 --> 0:41:47.319 Yeah, well, because remember he was opening up for Rick, Nick, 0:41:47.600 --> 0:41:53.400 Mike and Quince all well, Quincy already had Quincy already, 0:41:53.520 --> 0:41:55.800 like you know, I mean, Michael Jackson had a career 0:41:55.880 --> 0:41:58.319 as a as a group, you know, probably one of 0:41:58.320 --> 0:42:01.200 the greatest five R and B groups, of all time, right, 0:42:01.320 --> 0:42:04.520 and then as far as black music goes, and then uh, 0:42:04.560 --> 0:42:06.680 he started on his solo career, which it was kind 0:42:06.680 --> 0:42:10.480 of rough on him. It wasn't happening great, right. So 0:42:10.520 --> 0:42:12.400 by the time he got with Quincy and they started 0:42:12.400 --> 0:42:14.319 working on Off the Wall, this is when Prince is 0:42:14.320 --> 0:42:16.440 coming out with the Prince album. The debut album is 0:42:16.480 --> 0:42:19.560 called Prince. They working on a Michael Jackson. Now Rick 0:42:19.640 --> 0:42:25.800 come out Motown and is spanking everything. Rick spanking everything. 0:42:26.480 --> 0:42:31.839 Rick come out right Off the Rip first album with cuts, right, 0:42:32.120 --> 0:42:36.439 So Prince is opening up right for Rick James because 0:42:36.520 --> 0:42:39.799 Rick James has got smash hit records. Rick is you know, uh, 0:42:40.280 --> 0:42:47.200 what's the song? You know, the West song? What's the 0:42:47.200 --> 0:42:49.839 West Song? By Prince? That song was starting to pick 0:42:49.920 --> 0:42:53.439 up steam, but Rick James was murdering the urban scene 0:42:53.480 --> 0:42:57.440 and so he was spanking everything. So they had to 0:42:57.520 --> 0:43:00.640 look at Rick different. And I'll be honest, if Rick. 0:43:01.800 --> 0:43:05.480 Never out, if he never would out on that exact 0:43:05.520 --> 0:43:07.760 that time, I don't even I don't. 0:43:07.600 --> 0:43:10.400 Even think it's that. So this goes back into that 0:43:10.440 --> 0:43:15.920 same conversation with MTV not wanting to play Michael Jackson videos. 0:43:15.960 --> 0:43:19.640 They didn't want to play black videos either, they didn't 0:43:19.680 --> 0:43:22.600 want to play them. That wasn't the demographic they was pursuing. 0:43:23.360 --> 0:43:27.400 So Sony argued for Michael Jackson because they and and 0:43:27.480 --> 0:43:31.000 the way they got Michael Jackson on MTV was the 0:43:31.120 --> 0:43:34.120 threaten that they would pull their white acts in that 0:43:34.360 --> 0:43:38.960 valuable white as right. And then Prince same thing with 0:43:39.040 --> 0:43:43.160 his label. They had valuable white acts. Rick James was 0:43:43.200 --> 0:43:50.520 signed to Motown, so they get Rick on MTV. Remember 0:43:50.600 --> 0:43:54.600 that became the crossover exposure that urban acts didn't have 0:43:54.719 --> 0:43:57.640 because before that, remember you know, you go back into 0:43:57.719 --> 0:44:00.840 them seventies and sixties, it wasn't a lot. It was 0:44:00.920 --> 0:44:02.400 tough for acts to crossover. 0:44:02.960 --> 0:44:06.839 Sure from a sound standpoint too, I feel like there's 0:44:06.880 --> 0:44:10.479 two Rick songs that really crossed over well. And most 0:44:10.520 --> 0:44:15.480 of his catalog was like, bluntly speaking, maybe a little 0:44:15.520 --> 0:44:18.279 too soulful for a lot of my people. 0:44:18.840 --> 0:44:21.839 You know what's funny. But early Rick wasn't like that. 0:44:21.960 --> 0:44:24.120 Early Rick was making this kind of thing he would 0:44:24.120 --> 0:44:29.920 call punk funk Prince, this is gonna be blasphemous. Prince. 0:44:30.040 --> 0:44:33.759 Whole sound to a degree evolved into what Rick was 0:44:33.800 --> 0:44:38.239 doing successfully because Prince before that was playing more crossover 0:44:38.800 --> 0:44:40.560 like a lot of pop music. If you go listen. 0:44:40.800 --> 0:44:43.560 The great thing about Spotify, you can go listen to 0:44:43.600 --> 0:44:46.360 the first two Prince records and you could hear he 0:44:46.480 --> 0:44:48.560 was trying to figure out his own urban appeal. But 0:44:48.719 --> 0:44:51.600 all this early shit was hella pop like it was. 0:44:51.480 --> 0:44:57.520 Just like American bandstand, like the where he almost had 0:44:57.560 --> 0:44:59.560 like Farrah Fawcett or whatever hair, you know what I mean. 0:44:59.560 --> 0:45:01.680 It was like hermed kind of ship. You know I'm 0:45:01.680 --> 0:45:05.120 talking about Rick. Yeah, you know what years are we 0:45:05.200 --> 0:45:06.920 talking of that we're talking this is. 0:45:06.920 --> 0:45:08.680 Like seventy seventy. 0:45:10.280 --> 0:45:14.120 Because remember you get You're getting Prince in seventy nine 0:45:14.120 --> 0:45:16.719 and you getting Rick James record is seventy nine. Yeah, 0:45:17.320 --> 0:45:20.880 so they all coming out and Rick Michael Jackson did 0:45:20.960 --> 0:45:22.560 well with Off the Wall, but it was considered some 0:45:22.640 --> 0:45:24.960 level of crossover because it was disco when. 0:45:25.320 --> 0:45:27.680 Hit critical mass, Like what was his first like. 0:45:28.560 --> 0:45:31.759 He was out like Rick James out out the Gate? 0:45:31.920 --> 0:45:33.120 Was that what years? 0:45:33.400 --> 0:45:36.960 Like such such thing? So he just got a faster 0:45:37.120 --> 0:45:40.280 start and Prince opened for him. Yeah, but they started 0:45:40.320 --> 0:45:41.120 about the same time. 0:45:41.640 --> 0:45:43.919 They all all of them is right around. They all 0:45:44.000 --> 0:45:51.080 knew who each other was, gotcha, No, no, Uh, it's 0:45:51.560 --> 0:45:55.160 hold up, big dog. I don't want to say. Prince 0:45:55.320 --> 0:45:57.400 is the epitome of what Rick was trying to be 0:45:57.600 --> 0:46:00.880 as much as yeah, I guess, I I guess, I'm okay. 0:46:01.000 --> 0:46:04.080 But Rick wasn't trying. He was that he just never 0:46:04.120 --> 0:46:08.279 got exposure into white audience because again, we underestimate the 0:46:08.360 --> 0:46:11.080 gate that MTV was when it came to marketing. 0:46:13.400 --> 0:46:16.480 Come around. Huh when't the teena Marie come around? 0:46:16.920 --> 0:46:20.440 I want to stuck coke start flowing? Damn it, I 0:46:20.480 --> 0:46:20.759 said it. 0:46:25.800 --> 0:46:29.120 But have been like his breakthrough on that. 0:46:29.440 --> 0:46:30.160 You know what I'm saying. 0:46:30.160 --> 0:46:32.840 Oh no, man, I'm telling you. He came out the 0:46:32.920 --> 0:46:35.880 gate bro, come get it out the gate bro, like 0:46:35.960 --> 0:46:39.759 he had Mary Jane, like he had the cuts. He 0:46:39.880 --> 0:46:43.600 had the cuts. But again, what MTV was able to 0:46:43.680 --> 0:46:49.000 market acts to young white teenagers across the country. What 0:46:49.200 --> 0:46:52.840 MTV was able to do is like crazy. This is 0:46:52.880 --> 0:46:56.560 why Prince, this is why Michael Jackson had a different 0:46:56.640 --> 0:47:06.000 appeal after that point, because before that point, it was did. 0:47:02.960 --> 0:47:06.640 You ever watch the Rick James documentary? No, you gotta 0:47:06.680 --> 0:47:10.120 watch the Rick James documentary today? Yoh, bro, That's why 0:47:10.160 --> 0:47:12.919 I said, what happened? What happened with Rick. They said, 0:47:13.000 --> 0:47:15.640 Rick winning the office right, and he wanted a different 0:47:15.719 --> 0:47:17.880 check and he he jumped on that music. Hes not 0:47:18.080 --> 0:47:21.080 the executive death person. He slipped the whole line of 0:47:21.120 --> 0:47:23.640 coke first on the on the executive desk, stiffed the 0:47:23.640 --> 0:47:26.279 whole line of coke on his desk, then jumped on 0:47:26.320 --> 0:47:28.640 his desk. I think he might have poked this joint out. 0:47:28.920 --> 0:47:31.399 He wowed that on he would out on the music 0:47:31.480 --> 0:47:34.919 exact Wold thought on the music exac They said, when 0:47:35.000 --> 0:47:38.359 once Rick left that office, they made a phone call. 0:47:39.280 --> 0:47:41.240 They said, Joe, he's done, get a line of Richie 0:47:42.480 --> 0:47:44.880 and they brought line of Richie in to replace Rick. 0:47:45.000 --> 0:47:47.760 James last, you gotta watch the documentary. 0:47:47.800 --> 0:47:53.640 Bro. It's a documentary. Bro, it's one of the inther documentary. 0:47:53.640 --> 0:47:54.320 You could watch. 0:47:56.640 --> 0:47:58.560 Tina Marie get a lot of credit for being out 0:47:58.600 --> 0:48:03.960 of Venice to people talk about Venice. But yeah, not 0:48:04.160 --> 0:48:06.680 Rick was thanking him, Like Rick was not to be 0:48:06.760 --> 0:48:11.160 played with. Rick was a powerhouse. And when them two 0:48:11.200 --> 0:48:14.319 guys were able to get on MTV, it changed the 0:48:14.360 --> 0:48:19.080 trajectory of their career. Like that's an underrated thing. That's 0:48:19.160 --> 0:48:22.720 not talk about MTV. They should do a documentary truly 0:48:22.800 --> 0:48:25.920 on MTV, so you could see what black music was 0:48:25.960 --> 0:48:28.600 like pre MTV and then what happened to black music 0:48:28.680 --> 0:48:35.759 post MTV. Yeah, so it's like, but that's what it was. 0:48:35.800 --> 0:48:38.560 So the Starlight Sun was the working idea, and no, 0:48:38.760 --> 0:48:41.520 Mike didn't just come rewrite it by itself. Him and 0:48:41.560 --> 0:48:45.840 and Rod still wrote the song. So again, if you 0:48:46.000 --> 0:48:50.120 listen to the words of thriller, it don't really make sense. 0:48:53.120 --> 0:48:56.640 And I think it is because that wasn't the original idea. 0:48:56.719 --> 0:49:01.480 But you know, whoever, if Mike, if Mike organize the rewrite, 0:49:01.840 --> 0:49:04.520 it was crazy like he got it right. So the 0:49:04.640 --> 0:49:07.640 lyrics to Twitter, excuse me. The thriller is it's close 0:49:07.680 --> 0:49:12.400 to midnight and something's evils lurking in the dark under 0:49:12.440 --> 0:49:16.240 the moonlight. You see a sight that almost stops your heart. 0:49:16.480 --> 0:49:19.720 You try to scream, but terror takes the sound before 0:49:19.760 --> 0:49:24.200 you make it. You start to freeze as horror looks 0:49:24.239 --> 0:49:32.280 you right between the odds. Your paralyzes because this is thriller, 0:49:32.560 --> 0:49:35.600 thriller night, and no one's gonna save you from the 0:49:35.600 --> 0:49:36.920 beast about to strike. 0:49:40.960 --> 0:49:43.520 It's his first time getting with a big bitch. 0:49:45.480 --> 0:49:54.520 Could be this is thriller, thriller that about to strike, 0:49:55.360 --> 0:49:59.440 you know, the thriller thriller nights. Yeah, you're fighting for 0:49:59.520 --> 0:50:02.960 your life inside the killer thriller tonight. Yeah. 0:50:03.200 --> 0:50:07.759 Oh this is about oh yeah, oh yeah. 0:50:07.920 --> 0:50:11.719 You hear the door slam and realize there's nowhere left 0:50:11.719 --> 0:50:13.799 to run. You fit. 0:50:13.960 --> 0:50:16.760 That is not it's about. 0:50:17.239 --> 0:50:18.200 This song is about the music. 0:50:18.320 --> 0:50:18.960 No, it's not. 0:50:19.640 --> 0:50:23.880 No, it's not it's not. That is not what this 0:50:23.960 --> 0:50:26.120 song is about. 0:50:26.320 --> 0:50:26.680 He said. 0:50:26.680 --> 0:50:29.480 This song is about the music industry. You hear the 0:50:29.520 --> 0:50:33.839 door slam and realize there's no there's nowhere left to run. 0:50:34.680 --> 0:50:37.919 You feel the cold hand and wonder if you'll ever 0:50:37.960 --> 0:50:42.319 see the sun. You close your eyes and hope that 0:50:42.440 --> 0:50:47.160 this is just imagination, girl, But all the while you 0:50:47.200 --> 0:50:50.920 hear a creature creeping up behind. You're out of time, 0:50:52.560 --> 0:50:57.319 this girl. So, Mike wasn't going through Sony at this time. Bo, 0:50:57.520 --> 0:50:59.759 that's not he wasn't going through that. He was going 0:50:59.760 --> 0:51:00.560 through girls. 0:51:00.800 --> 0:51:01.040 Yeah. 0:51:02.200 --> 0:51:05.200 Maybe maybe you might got it right there. 0:51:05.480 --> 0:51:05.920 I don't know. 0:51:06.400 --> 0:51:20.759 This is thriller, the Vanilla Gorilla it's about because this 0:51:20.880 --> 0:51:27.440 is thriller, thriller night. Oh my girl, y'all stupid bos it? 0:51:27.520 --> 0:51:27.920 I think. 0:51:29.600 --> 0:51:32.719 Definitely the way y'all made diddy party sounds. It does 0:51:32.800 --> 0:51:37.920 sound like that, sound like a party. You would have 0:51:37.920 --> 0:51:39.760 thought they never wanted to go to a diddy party. 0:51:39.760 --> 0:51:41.839 Everybody dream was to go to a diddy party. Y'all 0:51:41.840 --> 0:51:42.440 so full of it. 0:51:42.520 --> 0:51:43.160 I hate y'all. 0:51:43.719 --> 0:51:47.760 This is a thriller thriller night. There ain't no second 0:51:47.840 --> 0:51:54.120 chance against the thing with forty eyes. Girl, Thriller thriller night. 0:51:54.600 --> 0:52:00.319 You're fighting for your life inside the killer thriller tonight night, 0:52:00.360 --> 0:52:04.080 creatures crawl and the dead start to walk in their masquerade. 0:52:04.480 --> 0:52:07.600 There's no escaping the jaws of the alien. This time 0:52:07.680 --> 0:52:10.520 they're open wide. This is the end of your life. 0:52:11.560 --> 0:52:15.040 They're out to get you. There's demons closing in on 0:52:15.200 --> 0:52:19.080 every side. They will possess you unless you change that 0:52:19.239 --> 0:52:23.080 number on your dial. Now is the time for you 0:52:23.160 --> 0:52:27.360 and I to cuddle close together. That is not the 0:52:27.400 --> 0:52:31.000 time for that. All through the night, I'll save you 0:52:31.040 --> 0:52:34.320 from the terror on the screen. I'll make you see 0:52:34.640 --> 0:52:38.520 that this is thriller thriller night, because I can thrill 0:52:38.560 --> 0:52:42.960 you more than any ghoul would ever dare try. Thriller 0:52:43.800 --> 0:52:46.840 thriller night. So let me hold you tight and share 0:52:46.880 --> 0:52:50.760 a killer thriller, chiller with every line. 0:52:50.800 --> 0:52:52.320 It just fortifies my theory. 0:52:52.440 --> 0:52:58.680 To me, it's not about the music industry balls, that's 0:52:58.800 --> 0:52:59.760 not what it's about. 0:53:00.560 --> 0:53:00.919 I get. 0:53:01.760 --> 0:53:04.319 I like it as a future reference, but it's not 0:53:04.480 --> 0:53:08.000 about that. Like this is them just having fun with music. 0:53:08.080 --> 0:53:12.000 That's why I'm listening. I'm like, this song don't make sense. 0:53:12.719 --> 0:53:14.759 Like Mike was twenty when they wrote this song. He 0:53:14.760 --> 0:53:17.439 didn't even write the song. This was Rod Temperton. Didn't 0:53:17.480 --> 0:53:19.600 have no bad experience in the music industry. He wrote 0:53:19.600 --> 0:53:23.840 the song. But that's a great point. Shout out to 0:53:23.880 --> 0:53:25.759 Geen saying, shout out to everybody in the chat. Y'all 0:53:25.800 --> 0:53:29.000 chilling it, y'all killing it, man, chilling it, thrilling, y'all 0:53:29.040 --> 0:53:32.120 thrilling it. A poor area doesn't make it a hood. 0:53:32.200 --> 0:53:35.479 That's fact. There's poor areas in every state, but there's 0:53:35.480 --> 0:53:38.799 not a hood or a cultural epicenter in every state 0:53:38.880 --> 0:53:39.440 because that's what. 0:53:39.440 --> 0:53:43.399 The hood is. I don't know. They need to read 0:53:43.400 --> 0:53:44.960 the thriller lyrics that Diddy's try. 0:53:45.080 --> 0:53:54.120 I'm crying, okay this man, oh man, I don't know what. 0:53:55.239 --> 0:53:59.000 Let me finish reading it. Let me finish reading it. 0:53:59.120 --> 0:54:05.280 Hold on, I'm gonna thrill you. Tonight, darkness falls across 0:54:05.280 --> 0:54:09.239 the land. The midnight hour is close at hand. Creatures 0:54:09.280 --> 0:54:13.719 crawl in search of blood to terrorize y'all, neighborhood, and 0:54:13.760 --> 0:54:17.160 whoever shall be found without the soul for getting down, 0:54:17.719 --> 0:54:20.279 But stand and face the hounds of hell and ride 0:54:20.320 --> 0:54:26.000 aside the corpse shell. The solid shit is in the air, 0:54:26.520 --> 0:54:30.720 The funk of forty thousand years, that slick and grizzly 0:54:30.800 --> 0:54:33.919 goose from every tone are closing in the cell your doom, 0:54:35.000 --> 0:54:37.880 And though you fight to stay alive, your body starts 0:54:37.880 --> 0:54:41.680 to shiver, for no mere mortal can resist the evil 0:54:41.760 --> 0:54:42.560 of the thriller? 0:54:45.000 --> 0:54:45.880 Did I see more? 0:54:47.440 --> 0:54:50.000 See? I've always made a point that is the most 0:54:50.080 --> 0:54:54.640 overrated song. Now it is great, don't get me wrong. 0:54:54.680 --> 0:54:57.319 It's the impact of the sheer numbers is out as 0:54:57.360 --> 0:54:59.560 world and the video is the greatest music video. But 0:54:59.680 --> 0:55:00.440 that's song. 0:55:01.320 --> 0:55:06.040 It's so What you're basically saying is that they blew 0:55:06.120 --> 0:55:07.400 up up a song about nothing. 0:55:08.440 --> 0:55:13.840 It's it's to me, it's a It's a slightly different 0:55:13.920 --> 0:55:17.400 genres exact and a slight different time frames almost exact. 0:55:17.600 --> 0:55:20.120 Comp to like Stair Away to Heaven by led Zeppel 0:55:20.120 --> 0:55:23.840 which sold a million fucking However, many millions of whatever 0:55:23.960 --> 0:55:28.319 units sold for no reason like that. I could fig 0:55:28.440 --> 0:55:31.960 and if that's had a the way that people make videos, 0:55:32.000 --> 0:55:34.120 if there's a video out in sixty nine for that 0:55:34.239 --> 0:55:36.400 stupid seventy one for that stupid song, it would have 0:55:36.440 --> 0:55:38.880 sold a trillion units or whatever the hell because it's 0:55:38.920 --> 0:55:44.880 just like this long cinematic song about nothing, just didn't 0:55:44.880 --> 0:55:46.120 have the visual component with it. 0:55:46.160 --> 0:55:47.239 They're both kind of the same. 0:55:47.280 --> 0:55:51.000 They're just musically nice, long songs about nothing that lend. 0:55:50.840 --> 0:55:51.360 Themselves to this. 0:55:51.880 --> 0:55:55.399 All you compared it to this is Led Zeppelin song 0:55:55.480 --> 0:55:57.799 called stair Away to Heaven, which I never understood why 0:55:57.840 --> 0:55:58.959 people like that song. 0:55:59.880 --> 0:56:02.400 Like the groove of it, Yeah, I don't know, like 0:56:02.440 --> 0:56:03.080 the last. 0:56:02.880 --> 0:56:04.480 Third of the song, like it picks up. 0:56:04.480 --> 0:56:06.719 But it's one of those It puts a long, meandering 0:56:06.840 --> 0:56:09.640 kind of song that's about like weird ship. 0:56:09.680 --> 0:56:11.759 If it had a video probably would have been pretty cool. 0:56:11.800 --> 0:56:14.080 It's been twelve minutes long, but it would have been 0:56:14.080 --> 0:56:15.000 probably more interesting. 0:56:16.200 --> 0:56:18.120 You know what song is like that? For me? Uh, 0:56:19.000 --> 0:56:20.879 Eagles Hotel, California. 0:56:21.320 --> 0:56:24.200 That's a song that needed a video. Today it looks 0:56:24.200 --> 0:56:27.400 like a big tequila hangover in the desert. That's Imperial 0:56:27.400 --> 0:56:28.040 County to me. 0:56:28.760 --> 0:56:31.440 Yeah, And it's funny because it's about three different drugs. 0:56:31.480 --> 0:56:35.280 The first verses about verses about cocaine, the third verses 0:56:35.280 --> 0:56:39.920 about heroin. That's all right, Uh, the sweetest taboo sha 0:56:40.280 --> 0:56:42.920 is about heroin. Most people don't know this, but heroin 0:56:43.040 --> 0:56:45.720 real bad. 0:56:45.960 --> 0:56:48.200 You think it's a you think it's a it's really 0:56:48.280 --> 0:56:50.840 like an end a meaning to that, to that to 0:56:50.920 --> 0:56:53.879 thriller though that we don't. We're just not understanding that though. 0:56:54.120 --> 0:56:58.359 No, no, no, I think it was like I think 0:56:58.400 --> 0:57:02.799 they decided to make the song dark instead of bright. Yeah, 0:57:02.800 --> 0:57:05.160 I think when they I think when they really because 0:57:05.360 --> 0:57:07.600 remember what's what's driving a lot of the songs on 0:57:07.680 --> 0:57:11.560 thrillers different ideas? Right, Like when you listen to I 0:57:11.600 --> 0:57:14.000 Can't Go for That, you listen to Billy Jean, that's 0:57:14.040 --> 0:57:18.240 I Can't Go for That. It's the same exact song, right, 0:57:18.280 --> 0:57:19.600 it's the same exact song. 0:57:20.280 --> 0:57:23.280 You haven't seen a Quincy interview when I mean, like 0:57:23.320 --> 0:57:26.080 they were saying Quincy go, I'm saying so though, But 0:57:27.840 --> 0:57:31.160 when they they asked them, it's an interview did like 0:57:31.360 --> 0:57:33.160 a couple of years back, and they asked them, like, Yo, 0:57:33.200 --> 0:57:35.880 what would you say about Michael Jackson? He said, the 0:57:35.880 --> 0:57:39.320 biggest thave for the industry. Yeah, you ever seen anything 0:57:39.440 --> 0:57:42.520 that was wild? Understand why he said it? Though too, though, but. 0:57:42.880 --> 0:57:45.480 This is all about This is a lot of journey. 0:57:45.600 --> 0:57:48.280 People didn't realize. That's when I started figuring out the music, 0:57:48.360 --> 0:57:50.360 the music industry, or what was going on. So I 0:57:50.360 --> 0:57:54.720 could feel confident in saying I know what's going on again, 0:57:54.760 --> 0:57:57.480 this is no senters live to lunch hour Monday, Wednesday 0:57:57.480 --> 0:58:00.520 and Friday at noon specific standard time. Click that but 0:58:00.560 --> 0:58:04.560 and let people know you're around here. Go in the 0:58:05.560 --> 0:58:09.720 description subscribe to the Note Center's podcast Apple Podcasts anywhere 0:58:09.760 --> 0:58:13.680 you get your podcasts Executive produced by Charlomagne of God 0:58:14.520 --> 0:58:20.919 Lack Effect Network in iHeart So I figured that out 0:58:21.120 --> 0:58:24.040 listening to music. When I start studying music from twenty 0:58:24.080 --> 0:58:26.640 eleven to now, like the way I study this is 0:58:26.640 --> 0:58:29.320 what's always worked for me. So I was able to 0:58:29.360 --> 0:58:31.280 study it and I could hear where the songs were 0:58:31.320 --> 0:58:34.320 coming from. I could hear that Billy Jean is haul 0:58:34.360 --> 0:58:36.280 of notes. I can't go for that, like right, so 0:58:36.320 --> 0:58:40.960 I'm able to confirm it. I can hear my Sharona 0:58:41.440 --> 0:58:44.160 and beat It. I could hear it, and the more 0:58:44.200 --> 0:58:47.680 I learned about making records, I realize how you do it. So, 0:58:47.920 --> 0:58:50.320 I mean, I don't know if I would quite call 0:58:50.360 --> 0:58:52.960 him a thief like I heard Quincy did or something, 0:58:52.960 --> 0:58:55.760 but that's always been a driving force of what we 0:58:55.880 --> 0:58:59.840 call the record industry. If Ray Charles gets a ton 0:58:59.920 --> 0:59:02.200 of credit for starting pop records, and one of the 0:59:02.240 --> 0:59:04.600 earliest pop records is I Got a Woman, which is 0:59:04.640 --> 0:59:08.440 a playoff it must be Jesus. That's been the style 0:59:08.600 --> 0:59:12.120 of making familiar and magical records since the inception of 0:59:12.120 --> 0:59:16.080 pop records. Sometimes, and the better producers, you can't see it. 0:59:16.480 --> 0:59:18.920 Michael Jackson's kind of you could just see it coming. 0:59:19.640 --> 0:59:23.640 So even like what I imagine happened is they were 0:59:24.160 --> 0:59:27.840 looking at they saw the club going crazy to Rick James, 0:59:28.200 --> 0:59:31.480 give it to me, baby, right, they saw that. That's 0:59:31.520 --> 0:59:34.800 to me like what happened with Dre and Quick, you know, 0:59:34.800 --> 0:59:39.040 I mean, like Dre saw Dre had Nwa hopping Nwa 0:59:39.200 --> 0:59:43.360 is going crazy, right, is booming right? Everybody talking about it. 0:59:43.440 --> 0:59:46.320 But then when you go to the clubs within Los Angeles, 0:59:46.320 --> 0:59:49.520 the black clubs and all around the area, they're playing 0:59:49.640 --> 0:59:54.800 DJ quick, they're playing Tonight, Born and Raised, and it's 0:59:54.840 --> 0:59:58.960 a different grass on the party than anything going on. 0:59:59.040 --> 1:00:00.920 So while the rest of the the world is dancing 1:00:00.920 --> 1:00:04.160 to disco and Michael Jackson, dude got smashed disco records, 1:00:04.240 --> 1:00:06.600 off the Wall, all this fly stuff that was off 1:00:06.640 --> 1:00:09.600 off the wall right rock with you know my favorite 1:00:09.640 --> 1:00:13.840 record of all time. He's looking at the specific black 1:00:14.080 --> 1:00:19.520 clubs and he's looking and Rick James, shit is going insane. 1:00:21.240 --> 1:00:24.040 You like, you got the biggest records everywhere else but 1:00:24.240 --> 1:00:30.080 right here, and you like, wait a minute, and Rick 1:00:30.320 --> 1:00:34.920 is whooping ass. Rick is putting belt to ass with 1:00:35.080 --> 1:00:38.560 these soon. So when Mike was like, I need one 1:00:38.600 --> 1:00:42.960 of them. Remember disco. Remember off the Wall is post disco. 1:00:43.000 --> 1:00:46.160 It's disco music. So they're looking for the next thing 1:00:46.280 --> 1:00:49.720 as producers, as people in the record business, and they 1:00:49.880 --> 1:00:52.320 looking at Rick. You see Hall of Nose. So here 1:00:52.360 --> 1:00:53.920 you go. You got I can't go for that. You 1:00:53.960 --> 1:00:56.560 make Billy Jean. You see my Sharona. You're making all 1:00:56.560 --> 1:00:58.920 the pop records. You got my Sharona, right, you make 1:00:58.960 --> 1:01:01.720 beat it. So just go listen to the drum. You 1:01:01.720 --> 1:01:03.880 can hear them all the way. But they're looking at 1:01:03.880 --> 1:01:07.760 the black space and they like, this motherfucking crazy nigga 1:01:07.760 --> 1:01:12.840 from Buffalo, New York is spanking everything. He's spanking it 1:01:12.960 --> 1:01:15.360 like he got the people in the choke hold the 1:01:15.400 --> 1:01:18.040 way they partying, and he was like, I need some 1:01:18.120 --> 1:01:21.880 of that. And they made thriller. They made the groove first, 1:01:21.920 --> 1:01:23.959 I know. He told Quincy's like, Quincy, make this groove 1:01:24.240 --> 1:01:31.840 d dudoo. And when Rod heard it right, because Rod 1:01:31.920 --> 1:01:34.760 is an english Man, Rod is a white man from England, 1:01:35.120 --> 1:01:38.600 he wrote what the melody should have been, right, which 1:01:38.640 --> 1:01:41.440 his sun like star. He wrote the melody and you 1:01:41.440 --> 1:01:43.360 know he started putting the words together and this is 1:01:43.360 --> 1:01:46.040 what they wrote. But when they kept hearing a song 1:01:46.160 --> 1:01:48.400 and they saw the video. If you see the video 1:01:48.480 --> 1:01:50.920 the Rick James give it to Me Baby, it's dark, 1:01:52.360 --> 1:01:54.800 like he looked like a stalker on the girl. That 1:01:54.840 --> 1:02:00.240 could be an inspiration into the damn song. He could 1:02:00.240 --> 1:02:03.760 have been inspired by Rick James' performance and to give 1:02:03.800 --> 1:02:06.440 it to Me Baby video, to write the song that 1:02:06.520 --> 1:02:09.080 way like Rick looked like a creep and to give 1:02:09.080 --> 1:02:14.520 it to me baby video. So when he came back, 1:02:14.560 --> 1:02:17.160 he said, we need to change these words, Rod. These 1:02:17.200 --> 1:02:19.680 words is too bright. It's tupop. We need to make 1:02:19.720 --> 1:02:23.960 it darker, we need to make it richer. And they 1:02:24.040 --> 1:02:27.280 wrote the darkest stuff that they could write that didn't 1:02:27.320 --> 1:02:31.680 have to really relate to anything. But I genuinely believe 1:02:31.800 --> 1:02:34.640 he was inspired by the character people were presenting that 1:02:34.760 --> 1:02:37.640 Rick James was, and that's why he wrote that song. 1:02:38.200 --> 1:02:38.640 Wow. 1:02:39.280 --> 1:02:42.600 Rick James inspired him. Not only the music you hear, 1:02:42.960 --> 1:02:45.640 but the character that is Rick James at that time 1:02:45.720 --> 1:02:50.080 inspired him to write about a really different type of person. 1:02:50.920 --> 1:02:53.240 You know what I mean. That's where I think that 1:02:53.280 --> 1:02:54.160 I did came from. 1:02:54.440 --> 1:02:58.560 You know what I think? Yeah, this was a primitive 1:02:59.240 --> 1:02:59.800 disc track. 1:03:00.880 --> 1:03:08.040 There you go, mhm, I mean, I mean, I mean 1:03:08.520 --> 1:03:09.560 more about the Big Girls. 1:03:10.880 --> 1:03:13.760 It's also that it's it's look at this weird though, 1:03:13.960 --> 1:03:15.440 and he's in the Big Girls. 1:03:18.000 --> 1:03:21.240 It could have been listen, oh yeah, you hear the 1:03:21.280 --> 1:03:25.640 door slam and realized there's nowhere left or run. You 1:03:25.760 --> 1:03:27.360 feel like I'm telling you. 1:03:27.200 --> 1:03:31.160 Because Rick did that song. She was only seven. 1:03:30.920 --> 1:03:37.680 And exactly and now, and she was sexy. That was 1:03:37.680 --> 1:03:39.760 a cold song because he wanted her and he was like, 1:03:39.800 --> 1:03:44.360 I just can't do it. Shout out to Pete. Have 1:03:44.440 --> 1:03:47.560 you ever listened to Scumbags of History podcast. If not 1:03:47.640 --> 1:03:49.200 check it out and get back to me. Also, g 1:03:49.360 --> 1:03:50.880 I forgot to ask you if you checked out that 1:03:50.920 --> 1:03:54.680 skin out sent you. I didn't see the skit Squichy. Uh. 1:03:54.840 --> 1:03:58.000 Compton and Carson are suburbs of Los Angeles. Compton evolved 1:03:58.040 --> 1:04:01.000 into a suburb of Los Angeles, but in its inception 1:04:01.120 --> 1:04:04.240 it was actually an urban community. But that's what people saying. 1:04:04.280 --> 1:04:06.840 The industry fleet, that's why he's in. There's not enough 1:04:07.000 --> 1:04:11.120 careers there any white Well. I think I think Pete 1:04:11.160 --> 1:04:13.640 accepts white flight to a degree. But I think also 1:04:13.720 --> 1:04:22.760 Pete realizes there were economic grammifications. I mean, there's no community. 1:04:23.680 --> 1:04:27.880 There was Lakewood cheaper than content at that time. 1:04:28.240 --> 1:04:32.920 No, you're but you're getting more. The physical size of 1:04:33.040 --> 1:04:37.480 the lots are bigger, the houses are newer and bigger. 1:04:40.760 --> 1:04:43.080 The property and law and content is bigger than Lakewood, 1:04:43.240 --> 1:04:44.320 the houses of. 1:04:44.320 --> 1:04:45.880 It depends on what you're talking about. I mean, like 1:04:45.920 --> 1:04:46.480 my great. 1:04:47.480 --> 1:04:51.280 Tiny I can understand down and lean with that being 1:04:51.320 --> 1:04:54.000 true because downy properties are way bigger and nicer. 1:04:55.320 --> 1:04:57.320 I think it was green flight and then it was 1:04:57.360 --> 1:04:57.880 white flight. 1:04:58.800 --> 1:05:02.640 Well, that's everything. Race is driven by capitalism. Racism didn't 1:05:02.640 --> 1:05:08.480 exist before capitalism. Money creates evil people. 1:05:11.120 --> 1:05:12.520 Why do you think it's evil to move to a 1:05:12.640 --> 1:05:13.280 nicer house. 1:05:13.960 --> 1:05:17.040 I don't think it's. That's not what I'm saying. I'm 1:05:17.120 --> 1:05:20.440 saying the concept of money makes you think you're better 1:05:20.480 --> 1:05:23.920 than people. So what happens is, right, I agree, it's 1:05:23.920 --> 1:05:26.600 the green flight, right, the opportunity to buy better property 1:05:26.640 --> 1:05:28.960 that's still only fifteen minutes away from the urban from 1:05:29.000 --> 1:05:31.280 the job. Right, So you can go right to Lakewood, 1:05:31.280 --> 1:05:33.160 you can go right to Bellflower, you can go right 1:05:33.240 --> 1:05:36.400 to any of those you know, suburban communities. Right, that's 1:05:36.400 --> 1:05:39.760 close to content. Right, I agree. But then what happens 1:05:39.840 --> 1:05:42.320 is now the rest of the people start looking at 1:05:42.320 --> 1:05:44.520 the people like I got too much money to be 1:05:44.560 --> 1:05:45.440 around these niggas. 1:05:47.480 --> 1:05:51.439 Yeah, and I think, honestly, like Matt bluntly speaking, it's 1:05:51.520 --> 1:05:51.960 more so. 1:05:53.400 --> 1:05:57.440 At least like the way I know who you know, 1:05:57.760 --> 1:05:59.080 the way I want. 1:05:59.000 --> 1:06:01.280 To include myself the first person in the weave. But 1:06:01.360 --> 1:06:03.880 that's it's an work for you. 1:06:05.320 --> 1:06:07.840 It's less. 1:06:09.240 --> 1:06:11.760 We got too much ready to be around them than 1:06:11.800 --> 1:06:16.960 it is I'm extremely financially stakes to this thing. I 1:06:16.960 --> 1:06:19.640 don't own anything as expensive as this, as this and 1:06:19.680 --> 1:06:21.680 if they all move here, this thing is gonna get 1:06:21.680 --> 1:06:23.000 worth a lot less quickly. 1:06:25.520 --> 1:06:29.400 Duh, Hold up easy, that's a deep thought. He's trying 1:06:29.400 --> 1:06:32.400 to make excuses for people who he resonates with. They 1:06:32.480 --> 1:06:34.760 left for better homes, fuck out here. They left because 1:06:34.760 --> 1:06:36.880 the Jackson family moved here next door and that was. 1:06:37.040 --> 1:06:40.000 Got too dark, got too dark around man. 1:06:41.480 --> 1:06:45.880 That to his point, Besy, that couldn't be true because 1:06:45.920 --> 1:06:49.240 there wouldn't be houses to move into, and Bowse is right. 1:06:49.280 --> 1:06:52.200 Pete is right, that is true. There's the initial thing. 1:06:52.280 --> 1:06:54.640 But I don't think we're having a conversation on the 1:06:54.640 --> 1:06:58.960 initial people that made it possible for brothers to move 1:06:59.000 --> 1:07:02.040 into content we're talking about once brothers got there and 1:07:02.080 --> 1:07:04.560 white folks was like, I don't want to be here anymore. 1:07:04.880 --> 1:07:08.560 I need to get a body here. Why is again 1:07:08.640 --> 1:07:14.640 it's all the science systemic racist part. Again, racist is 1:07:14.800 --> 1:07:18.600 such a nuance word. It don't mean I just hate niggas. 1:07:18.840 --> 1:07:20.800 It could just be like, I'm better than these broken 1:07:20.840 --> 1:07:23.560 motherfuckers that happened to look like that, and they might 1:07:23.560 --> 1:07:24.080 feel the same. 1:07:25.680 --> 1:07:25.800 Right. 1:07:25.920 --> 1:07:27.440 A lot of white people hail it like that, we're 1:07:27.480 --> 1:07:28.160 red nicks. 1:07:28.400 --> 1:07:33.800 Yeah, and a lot of people it's like it's all 1:07:33.880 --> 1:07:36.400 it's it's prejudicially centralized. 1:07:36.600 --> 1:07:37.160 You know what I mean? 1:07:38.240 --> 1:07:38.760 What you mean? 1:07:39.160 --> 1:07:42.560 I mean, it's it's based off of a broad stroke preconception. 1:07:43.600 --> 1:07:44.280 So it can be. 1:07:46.360 --> 1:07:51.440 That a broad stroke preconception defined by race, which is 1:07:51.480 --> 1:07:54.600 if you were anti Semitic, it's a broad stroke preconception 1:07:54.640 --> 1:07:57.520 defined by religion or whatever it might be, whatever the 1:07:57.560 --> 1:08:02.360 thing is. In this case, the broad stroke preconception defined 1:08:02.360 --> 1:08:07.840 by race can have the negative definition of It might 1:08:07.880 --> 1:08:09.840 be because I hate you. It could be because I'm 1:08:09.840 --> 1:08:12.160 afraid of you. It could be because you could just 1:08:12.800 --> 1:08:15.880 the way you are might cost me something. You know, 1:08:16.000 --> 1:08:18.320 it's not always the same thing. I'm not saying it's 1:08:18.439 --> 1:08:20.120 good or better one way or the other. I'm just 1:08:20.120 --> 1:08:22.960 saying it's not always hate. Sometimes it's fear. Sometimes who 1:08:23.000 --> 1:08:26.160 knows what I'm not good. But that's what racism is. 1:08:26.200 --> 1:08:29.000 Pete got elaborating it. 1:08:29.439 --> 1:08:30.520 I'm not distracted. 1:08:32.280 --> 1:08:34.679 It doesn't take a whole street to move before non 1:08:34.760 --> 1:08:38.680 white family is allowed to move in am I room. 1:08:39.080 --> 1:08:42.840 It's not that the whole It wasn't like Compton was. Yeah, 1:08:42.960 --> 1:08:44.840 it's not like Compton was like Detroit. 1:08:46.720 --> 1:08:48.560 There's a kind of a critical mass. 1:08:48.360 --> 1:08:51.400 Into neighborhoods and then black people. That's not what Pete 1:08:51.439 --> 1:08:56.599 is saying again, Like, this is a real nuance conversation, 1:08:56.720 --> 1:08:59.479 and I hate not having them in person or speaking 1:08:59.520 --> 1:09:02.640 directly with people. It's hard to speak to people like 1:09:02.680 --> 1:09:05.360 me and Pete have had a lot of these conversations before. 1:09:05.520 --> 1:09:11.880 Personally is nuanced. Right, It's like, it's like slavery, It's not. 1:09:12.479 --> 1:09:16.960 There wasn't slavery because of racism. There is racism because 1:09:16.960 --> 1:09:21.840 of slavery. Does that make sense? Like when you could 1:09:21.880 --> 1:09:24.519 buy somebody and you had a supremacy case, but you 1:09:24.560 --> 1:09:29.320 could purchase somebody that looked like me for hundreds of years, 1:09:29.800 --> 1:09:33.599 it creates a superiority complex in the mind of other people, 1:09:33.920 --> 1:09:36.280 especially if they see you as somebody they can buy. 1:09:36.479 --> 1:09:39.280 It's how most people or most men feel about prostitutes. 1:09:40.400 --> 1:09:43.840 Like there's a superiority complex in the mind because of 1:09:43.880 --> 1:09:47.880 the circumstance, and that creates what you would call, let's say, 1:09:50.240 --> 1:09:52.880 any level of bigotry to women or what do you 1:09:52.920 --> 1:09:54.880 call it? What's the word that they like they use? 1:09:58.120 --> 1:09:58.360 Right? 1:09:58.479 --> 1:10:03.120 Like that comes from that thought, right, just like racism. 1:10:03.439 --> 1:10:10.600 Right, does the word massogynists emanate from the massage parlor concepts. 1:10:12.920 --> 1:10:14.000 I've always wondered that. 1:10:14.400 --> 1:10:19.519 Of course, like that, sure pe got all that that 1:10:19.560 --> 1:10:20.040 one right there. 1:10:22.800 --> 1:10:24.559 I didn't know we were even talking about Prince when 1:10:24.600 --> 1:10:25.639 I wore a tennis T shirt. 1:10:25.640 --> 1:10:27.360 If I don't play tennis. 1:10:27.120 --> 1:10:30.719 No, So so again, like that's what created Like, that's 1:10:30.720 --> 1:10:32.840 what created the whole thing, you know what I mean, 1:10:32.880 --> 1:10:38.880 the opportunity. But you know, again, we it's hard not 1:10:39.000 --> 1:10:42.680 to exist in America with some of these concepts. Like 1:10:43.040 --> 1:10:47.240 I'm just to his point. He's saying, it's not every person, right, 1:10:47.320 --> 1:10:51.200 the initial people moved because there were ways to see 1:10:51.240 --> 1:10:53.200 their wealth grow in different properties. 1:10:53.439 --> 1:10:56.559 And the bottom line is there's a critical mass moment. 1:10:56.880 --> 1:11:00.080 There's between there's a black person living over there, and 1:11:00.160 --> 1:11:02.080 this is turned and this is where it becomes a 1:11:02.120 --> 1:11:07.120 group think situation. What it becomes. Oh, this is turning 1:11:07.120 --> 1:11:10.240 into a black neighborhood. And everybody that I know that 1:11:10.360 --> 1:11:15.200 controls the capital by and large here perceives that to 1:11:15.240 --> 1:11:18.200 be a negative. So I need to sell this stock 1:11:18.280 --> 1:11:22.759 before it fully collapses. Sure, that's the bottom line. 1:11:22.160 --> 1:11:28.000 And that is racism a thousand, But it's not racism 1:11:28.120 --> 1:11:30.200 in the sense of how we would even understand it 1:11:30.200 --> 1:11:35.160 as hate. It's just an understanding of circumstances that we 1:11:35.240 --> 1:11:35.599 live in. 1:11:36.880 --> 1:11:41.680 Yeah, I'm just saying that the genesis people before that 1:11:41.760 --> 1:11:43.479 it becomes like, oh, this is like a thing that 1:11:43.600 --> 1:11:46.800 is really happening. Those this is things really happening people. 1:11:47.360 --> 1:11:50.559 Those are white flighters. The other people are just I 1:11:50.640 --> 1:11:54.160 want a nicer housers. I don't know that's the only. 1:11:56.520 --> 1:12:00.519 Yeah. But again, just like racism, people didn't buy negros 1:12:00.560 --> 1:12:03.240 because they hated negros. They didn't even know negroes. They 1:12:03.240 --> 1:12:07.960 bought negroes because negros was on sale, was it if 1:12:08.000 --> 1:12:10.400 it was yellow or white people that bought them too. 1:12:11.000 --> 1:12:15.160 But again that created and that's the point I'm saying 1:12:15.160 --> 1:12:16.920 to you, Pete, that's the that's the point. 1:12:17.680 --> 1:12:24.640 It gave them an excuse to categorize something into a 1:12:24.760 --> 1:12:30.320 narrow group that wasn't adjacently represented. So it's like this institution, 1:12:30.760 --> 1:12:33.720 we all know it sucks, but it's them and their 1:12:34.240 --> 1:12:34.920 so you know. 1:12:36.439 --> 1:12:41.400 You could separate yourself from the experience. But even with 1:12:41.520 --> 1:12:44.920 Irish people, right, because it didn't last long, right, it 1:12:45.000 --> 1:12:45.840 don't change. 1:12:46.520 --> 1:12:46.680 Right. 1:12:46.720 --> 1:12:51.920 But again, the idea of profit right and making money 1:12:52.160 --> 1:12:55.120 right allows you to buy another human being, and then 1:12:55.280 --> 1:12:58.200 that because they looked like me, per se, and and 1:12:58.439 --> 1:13:00.880 maybe the person that bought them looked like you, and 1:13:01.200 --> 1:13:04.320 you could only buy people ninety nine point nine percent 1:13:04.360 --> 1:13:07.519 of the people you could buy look like me. That 1:13:07.560 --> 1:13:10.880 would create a complex in most minds. People feel like 1:13:10.920 --> 1:13:13.519 that over dogs. Like I was listening to somebody tell 1:13:13.560 --> 1:13:15.200 me the other day the dog couldn't take care of 1:13:15.240 --> 1:13:17.679 theirself if I didn't have it, Like the dogs don't 1:13:17.720 --> 1:13:22.160 need you. It that type of power and ownership, and 1:13:22.920 --> 1:13:27.000 and you know what I'm saying, we control over somebody else. 1:13:27.200 --> 1:13:29.000 You want to know the real racism in Compton that 1:13:29.040 --> 1:13:33.240 nobody talks about, Sure, it's the dog racism. There's two 1:13:33.360 --> 1:13:37.480 types of packs of dogs in Compton. There's exclusively pitball 1:13:37.800 --> 1:13:40.760 packs and there's every other breed of dog in a 1:13:41.040 --> 1:13:41.759 mixed pack. 1:13:44.040 --> 1:13:46.760 That's it shut out to bulls. Most people don't know 1:13:46.800 --> 1:13:49.519 how or what racism is other than the concept of hate. 1:13:49.800 --> 1:13:55.120 Racism also is economics. Racism mainly is economics. Like a 1:13:55.160 --> 1:13:57.800 lot of this stuff, a lot of the stuff that 1:13:57.880 --> 1:14:02.559 people confuse with racism is not really carried about carried 1:14:02.560 --> 1:14:05.160 out through hate. It is carried out economically. Shout out 1:14:05.200 --> 1:14:07.400 to my big brother Cam. When you'all gonna have me 1:14:07.439 --> 1:14:09.840 on to discuss these type of topics whenever you want 1:14:09.840 --> 1:14:12.360 to come on, don't you got the key to the 1:14:12.400 --> 1:14:15.040 back door and everything. Bro, don't get over. Don't get 1:14:15.080 --> 1:14:16.639 up in these comments and act like to these people 1:14:16.640 --> 1:14:18.240 were not family. You can't come in here when you 1:14:18.280 --> 1:14:19.840 want to. Don't do that. 1:14:23.400 --> 1:14:28.160 Yeah, no, I just I can't see his face picture. 1:14:29.520 --> 1:14:30.759 He did a whole body shot. 1:14:31.840 --> 1:14:32.080 Yeah. 1:14:33.120 --> 1:14:35.519 Tina Marie is was R and B. She never really 1:14:35.560 --> 1:14:40.519 crossed over. Tana Marie was always crossed though, Yeah she 1:14:40.640 --> 1:14:43.200 crossed over at more wasted what crossed over? 1:14:43.600 --> 1:14:44.040 Wow? 1:14:44.840 --> 1:14:55.439 Okay yo shout out to the homie Beasy. I can 1:14:55.520 --> 1:14:58.080 agree with that they were most likely some who left 1:14:58.120 --> 1:14:59.720 because they could afford to. But I feel like the 1:14:59.800 --> 1:15:02.639 law ndred percent of white larger percentage of white flight 1:15:02.720 --> 1:15:05.479 is driven by a degree of racism, even if we 1:15:05.640 --> 1:15:10.360 all agree. But again, it's not His point is and 1:15:10.439 --> 1:15:14.880 it doesn't matter. His point is, like, it's not because 1:15:14.880 --> 1:15:18.160 they hate black people. It's still racism when it's driven 1:15:18.200 --> 1:15:21.360 by understanding that black people is going to lower the economy. 1:15:21.479 --> 1:15:21.920 I mean, it's not. 1:15:21.920 --> 1:15:24.960 It's smart races, smart racism. 1:15:25.439 --> 1:15:31.640 Quite honestly, that's the seedless. But think about it, that's 1:15:31.720 --> 1:15:35.400 the seedless of why a lot of the white. 1:15:35.160 --> 1:15:38.400 Liberals in California are more sinister. 1:15:40.640 --> 1:15:42.919 You said to that woman time, that's the. 1:15:42.720 --> 1:15:45.439 Seedling moment of why a lot of the West Coast 1:15:45.479 --> 1:15:47.200 white liberals are more sinister. 1:15:47.720 --> 1:15:49.680 I agree, that's what we're saying. 1:15:48.960 --> 1:15:53.240 The devil. I understand this, the devil you know, than 1:15:53.280 --> 1:15:54.080 the devil you don't. 1:15:54.760 --> 1:15:55.760 Yeah. 1:15:55.520 --> 1:15:58.840 Yeah, Like it's something weird about Biden making me feel 1:15:58.840 --> 1:16:01.600 like he cool with me, then locking everybody up versus 1:16:01.840 --> 1:16:03.800 you know, Trump just walking out saying what he thinks 1:16:04.240 --> 1:16:06.360 and then other I can. I can deal with white 1:16:06.400 --> 1:16:10.880 people being white. What confuses me is when they don't 1:16:10.920 --> 1:16:13.559 be white like. That's the thing, Pete, that makes our 1:16:13.680 --> 1:16:16.479 friendship work, as you my brother, because you're a white person, 1:16:16.600 --> 1:16:19.479 even when you don't understand certain nuances of what I'm 1:16:19.479 --> 1:16:21.800 complaining about. I'm okay with that you are a white 1:16:21.840 --> 1:16:24.719 man like Trump, and I don't mean like a white 1:16:24.720 --> 1:16:26.920 man like you own slave or you're an oppressive person. 1:16:26.920 --> 1:16:30.720 But I'm saying this isn't your cross to bear. Yeah, 1:16:30.760 --> 1:16:33.680 It's like I'm gone, woman, Like if a woman was 1:16:33.720 --> 1:16:36.120 telling you about taking penis. You would just not not know. 1:16:36.360 --> 1:16:39.040 You can imagine. I don't think you want to, but 1:16:39.080 --> 1:16:42.000 you could imagine what it's like, but you would never 1:16:42.120 --> 1:16:46.040 know what it's like a hard penis inside of you. So, 1:16:47.479 --> 1:16:49.720 but I appreciate that you don't try to act like 1:16:49.760 --> 1:16:52.400 you do. You kind of have your ideas because you've 1:16:52.439 --> 1:16:54.240 been around, you do messed around with all of us. 1:16:54.320 --> 1:16:57.040 You know different people in different places, so you've seen it. 1:16:57.280 --> 1:17:01.760 But I respect that that's what works for me, That 1:17:01.840 --> 1:17:07.679 works for me. Thriller was about first generation based heads. 1:17:08.560 --> 1:17:16.880 Oh wow, Jean Wow, Why man? Okay, It's enough? All right, 1:17:17.040 --> 1:17:19.639 No Sentners Live. Click the thumbs up bud before you leave. 1:17:19.680 --> 1:17:23.920 We'll see y'all back Friday noon, specific standard time. Click 1:17:23.960 --> 1:17:27.719 the link in the description. Subscribe to the No Sinners 1:17:27.800 --> 1:17:32.720 Podcast today today, right now. Go leave a comment. Let 1:17:32.840 --> 1:17:35.400 us know you subscribe today. Put the date next to 1:17:35.439 --> 1:17:38.720 your name right there on Apple Podcast. 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