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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to blow your mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey you welcome to Weird House Cinema. This is Rob

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Speaker 2: Lamb and this is Joe McCormick. Today is Crampus Knocked.

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Speaker 2: And since actual Crampis films are scarce, we have the

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Speaker 2: twenty fifteen movie, some more recent material of I would

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Speaker 2: say dubious quality, and sadly two seemingly lost German TV

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Speaker 2: films from the nineteen sixties. Passing up on all of that,

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Speaker 2: I figured today's Weird House Cinema selection needed to be

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Speaker 2: some manner of alternative Christmas movie, Christmas horror tale, or

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Speaker 2: something that at least invoked a horned humanoid during the holidays.

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Speaker 2: And this criteria finally led me to check out a

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Speaker 2: film that had been hanging out on my watch list

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Speaker 2: for a long time, the nineteen ninety five Spanish dark

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Speaker 2: comedy The Day of the Beast.

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Speaker 3: I thought this was a great selection, Rob. I'd never

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Speaker 3: seen it before, but I massively enjoyed it. It's really

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Speaker 3: put me in the mood for the holidays.

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Speaker 2: I really dug it as well, and I really wasn't

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Speaker 2: sure exactly what to expect. You know, up until the

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Speaker 2: last minute watching it, because as I'll get into, like

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Speaker 2: the synopsis, just reading the synopsis, that could go a

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Speaker 2: couple of different ways. And I had never seen anything

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Speaker 2: from its director before. That's Alex di la Iglesia. You know,

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Speaker 2: certainly familiar with his reputation as a director, but I

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Speaker 2: just never had checked out his work before. I love

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Speaker 2: Spanish genre films, obviously, but I would say that I

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Speaker 2: would attribute my vague reluctance to the fact that if

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Speaker 2: you're not familiar with his general vibe, you might reasonably

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Speaker 2: expect this mid nineteen nineties offering to be grizzlier and

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Speaker 2: nastier than it actually is.

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Speaker 3: It goes kind of hard at some part.

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Speaker 2: It does. It's not a kid's movie and it's not

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Speaker 2: a walk in the park. But I don't know, Like

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Speaker 2: this came out the same year as seven, and you know,

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Speaker 2: certainly in the wake of things like pulp fiction and

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Speaker 2: Natural Born Killers, and I don't know, It's like I

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Speaker 2: was just always wary of it because I was just

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Speaker 2: imagining the most extreme and transgressive directions that this synopsis

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Speaker 2: could go in.

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Speaker 3: It goes hard, but it also has a big heart.

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Speaker 2: It does. Yeah, so rather than a bleak grim dark exercise.

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Speaker 2: I found The Day of the Beast to be just

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Speaker 2: terrifically funny for starters. It's laugh out loud funny. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and it's also it's also very serious in its own way.

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Speaker 2: It puts comedy first to a large degree, but there

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Speaker 2: is some serious contemplation on the nature of evil in

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Speaker 2: a superstition played modern world.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, I think this movie has a more mature

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Speaker 3: relationship with good and evil than a lot of films,

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Speaker 3: especially a lot of satanic themed films.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like you, and if you go into the

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Speaker 2: expecting it to be just a satanic peril movie, you're

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Speaker 2: gonna get something different. I'm not gonna say you're gonna

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Speaker 2: be disappointed, because I think the film's just too good

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Speaker 2: to find much reasonable space for disappointment. But yeah, I

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Speaker 2: mean that, ultimately the content doesn't go again near as

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Speaker 2: hard as I expected it might. And there's almost a

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Speaker 2: I thought, a Charlie Chaplin energy to parts of the film,

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Speaker 2: and certainly to the to our protagonists, to the protagonist

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Speaker 2: in the way that he's presented in the picture, and

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Speaker 2: this sort of, you know, at times, a kind of

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Speaker 2: comedic aloofness, and also some of the action sequences in

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Speaker 2: the film also have that kind of I don't know,

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Speaker 2: that kind of action charm to them.

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Speaker 3: I agree.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So what's the elevator pitch here? I would say

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Speaker 2: it's a priest, a TV occultist in a metal head

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Speaker 2: walk into the apocalypse, all right, Day of the Beast

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Speaker 2: or what Elda Dia Labastia. This film is luckily if

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Speaker 2: you if you want to go out and watch it

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Speaker 2: right now before getting into our discussion of its plot

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Speaker 2: and its characters, which is inherently going to involve some spoilers. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's widely available to stream or to acquire digitally, and

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Speaker 2: as far as physical media goes. Severn has a two

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Speaker 2: disc Blu ray available and it looks quite nice.

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Speaker 3: I streamed this one, but it was on one of

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Speaker 3: those platforms where I pay, and for some reason, this

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Speaker 3: Maybe that depends on what sub subscriptions you have. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: it had some ads, and it some really obnoxious ads

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Speaker 3: retirement savings and crypto and all that costuff. So that

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Speaker 3: was cutting in in the middle, but it didn't attract

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Speaker 3: too much. Yeah, it was still a great experience, and

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, let's let's talk about the folks behind

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Speaker 2: this film. This is if I didn't I think I

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Speaker 2: a Spanish film. It takes place in Spain, mostly in Madrid.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and not incidentally, the geography of Madrid is a

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Speaker 3: huge player in this movie. Like it's based in large

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I have personally never been I've never been

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Speaker 2: to Spain and I've never been to Madrid. Most of

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Speaker 2: had like passing reference to Madrid, Like you know, your

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Speaker 2: But I'd never seen a film that really made such

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Speaker 2: amazing use of Madrid landmarks. So it's like I kept searching,

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Speaker 2: like what is this building? What is this landmark? And

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Speaker 2: I'm probably going to get served all sorts of ads

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Speaker 2: for Madrid tourism now, which I welcome. Yeah, lac Abino

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Speaker 2: was in Madrid, wasn't it. Oh yes it was, But

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Speaker 2: then again that was what year was that, early seventies,

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Speaker 2: early seventies. Okay, so some of the one building in

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Speaker 2: have to say, it's like it's not only the locations,

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Speaker 2: but just they're so beautifully shot and such great use

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Speaker 2: it just sucks you right in. All right, Well, let's

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Speaker 2: talk about the folks behind the picture here again, director

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Speaker 2: and one of the screenplay credits goes to Alex Di

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Speaker 2: la Iglesia born nineteen sixty five Spanish film director, screenwriter,

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Speaker 2: producer and former comic book artists whose work can I'd

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Speaker 2: broadly be categorized, I understand as black comedy, but with

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Speaker 2: elements of horror and action sprinkled throughout, and certainly some

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Speaker 2: a little towards horror in action m H. In the

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Speaker 2: late nineteen eighties he got into art direction and poster

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Speaker 2: design for film and directed his first short film in

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety one. This is and apologize here and elsewhere

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Speaker 2: if I'm butchering any Spanish here, but Merindas assinas and

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Speaker 2: this is about a killer soda. I think the Merindus

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Speaker 2: And he followed this short up with the feature length

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Speaker 2: Mutant Action in nineteen ninety three. This is about mutant

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Speaker 2: terrorists in a future dystopian world that prizes physical beauty

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Speaker 2: above everything else. Okay, And then he directed the live

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Speaker 2: action sequences for a nineteen ninety four arcade video game

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Speaker 2: titled Marbella Vice what like on the rail shooter that

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Speaker 2: apparently spoofed Miami Vice. I had to look up some

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Speaker 2: footage from this and it's, you know, it's it's kind

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Speaker 2: of rough looking, as you might imagine. It's not wowes,

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Speaker 3: I just looked it up. Now, wow, so an arcade

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Speaker 2: And after that came today's film Day of the Beast.

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Speaker 2: We'll have a lot to say about this. But he

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Speaker 2: followed Beast up with the ninety seven Crime Spree cannibalism

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Speaker 2: I had a Spanish Mexican American co production, starring Rosie Perez,

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Speaker 2: Javier Bardem, and James Gandelfini. I haven't had the chance

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Speaker 2: to see this one yet, but I frequently see high

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Speaker 2: octane clips from this movie online, generally of Javier Bardem

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Speaker 2: he's wearing a Santo mask. It looks like a lot

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Speaker 3: I've never even heard of this, but yeah, I want

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Speaker 3: to see it now. Oh oh, I just looked it up. Man.

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Speaker 3: Javier Bardem's look in this is good. He you know

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Speaker 3: what in this movie, they're kind of giving him a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, obviously extremely handsome actor, but we now

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Speaker 2: I mean that's just that's that cinches it. You know,

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Speaker 2: you're in basically an Oscar territory at that point. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so after After Perdita Durango, subsequent films included the ninety

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Speaker 2: Box twenty thirteen's Witching and Bitching, and the TV series

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Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure this is the only thing I've ever

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Speaker 2: Same. Yeah, Like I say, I've been familiar with his

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Speaker 2: for Best Director that year. The Goya Awards, essentially the

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Speaker 2: romantic painter Francisco Goya, and the award itself is a

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Speaker 2: Goya's distrust and criticism of superstition in society. The sleep

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Speaker 3: Interesting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, so that's dela Iglesia. But then the

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Speaker 2: other screenwriter, the other individual that shares the screenplay credit,

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Speaker 2: he has a really long name, so bear with me

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Speaker 2: and my apologies. I I get this wrong. Jorge Gerricea

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Speaker 2: Chevrea for nineteen sixty five Spanish screenwriter and frequent, long

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Speaker 2: standing collaborator with dela Iglesia. He worked on I think

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Speaker 2: I just named, and he's a two time Goya Award

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Speaker 3: This is one of those comedy films where you can

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Speaker 3: really feel just the perfect meeting of script and cast though,

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Speaker 3: so it's you know, it's a two crucial ingredient sandwich.

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Speaker 3: It's like peanut butter and jelly here, like having them

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Speaker 3: both come together makes something more magical than either one.

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Speaker 3: So it is a really good script on the page,

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Speaker 3: I think. But the energy brought by the main cast,

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Speaker 3: I'd say all three of the main Wise Men, but

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Speaker 3: the main cast generally, like it really elevates it. It

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Speaker 3: just feels like serendipity.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I agree. Yeah, the three Wise Men characters here

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Speaker 2: by an actor credited only as a Pololo. I could

431
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 2: not find out anything else about him other than other

432
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 2: than he is also in mutant action. He lived nineteen

433
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,679
Speaker 2: thirty three through two thousand and four. He's memorable in

434
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 2: this is a funny, funny supporting character. Yes, all right,

435
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 2: And then the score for this film is by Battistaalina

436
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:37,400
Speaker 2: born nineteen sixty. This score won him Agoya nomination, and

437
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 2: I'm not sure the other films he scored have have

438
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 2: you know, much reach outside of Spain, seemingly best known

439
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 2: for this score, which I have to say is solid

440
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:50,160
Speaker 2: and effective. And we also have a theme song here,

441
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:55,360
Speaker 2: Aldia di Labestia, performed by def con Dos, a Madrid

442
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 2: based rap metal band. I look them up. They have

443
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 2: a disco and a life outside of this film. They're

444
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 2: not like the fictional band Satanica, though I'm sure there

445
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 2: are bands named Satanica out there, but there is a

446
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 2: fictional band by the name of Satanica that features into

447
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 2: the plot.

448
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 3: All right, You ready to talk about the plot?

449
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get into it.

450
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,679
Speaker 3: So we open with church bells ringing loud in the

451
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 3: cobbled courtyard of what looks like a Spanish cathedral or

452
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 3: building of some kind. We can see this long stonework

453
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 3: wall supported by arches and a gray building with boxy

454
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,199
Speaker 3: turrets in the background. Rob, do you know anything about

455
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 3: this location? I know you were looking up a lot

456
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 3: of the locations in the movie.

457
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had to look this one up because I'd

458
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 2: never seen it before. Apparently this is the Franciscan Sanctuary

459
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:54,439
Speaker 2: of Our Lady of Aranta Zoo in northern Spain. The

460
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,640
Speaker 2: new basilica here was completed in the mid twentieth century.

461
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 2: Beautiful architecture. Just a taste of all the wonderful location

462
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 2: shots to come in this film.

463
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 3: The stone work on the outside of the turrets at

464
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 3: the church here, it looks like a foam acoustic lining

465
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 3: on the inside of a studio, except made out of stone. Yeah,

466
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 3: because it's got these triangles kind of poking out anyway.

467
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 3: So we see a man run into frame. He's dressed

468
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 3: in black clerical vestments and a black beret, and he

469
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 3: looks hurried and distressed. He cuts across the courtyard and

470
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 3: goes into a nearby chapel. Inside, it's a very beautiful room.

471
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 3: At the head of the church, there's this massive half

472
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 3: dome with red interior walls and then a line of

473
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 3: woodscreened windows with a huge cross standing behind the altar,

474
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 3: and we can see sunlight beaming in from the windows

475
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 3: on one side of the chapel, and the priest that

476
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 3: we saw outside hurries down the aisle toward another priest

477
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,719
Speaker 3: who is older with a long beard, kneeling in prayer

478
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 3: in front of the cross. The priest that just entered

479
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 3: is a middle aged man, bald on top with a

480
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 3: horseshoe of dark hair. We will later learn that this

481
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 3: character is named Father Angel Berriatua. He kneels beside the

482
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 3: priest that's already there. He says, Father, I want to confess.

483
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 3: The older priest says, what have you done? Berriatua says nothing, Father,

484
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 3: I haven't sinned, but I intend to commit all the

485
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 3: evil I can. The older priest is confused why would

486
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 3: he do that, and Berriatua explains. He says, because it's necessary.

487
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 3: He has finally deciphered the code and he's discovered that

488
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 3: this is the only way. Then he kind of leans

489
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 3: in and explains something to the older priest, whispering in

490
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 3: his ear while the church bells ring again and we

491
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 3: can't hear what he's saying, but we see him showing

492
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 3: the older priest a bunch of crazy looking writing on

493
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 3: crinkled up pages of notepaper. The older priest finally understands

494
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 3: what his friend has discovered and he agrees to help him,

495
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 3: but he gives a warning, remember one thing, our enemy

496
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 3: is powerful. He will do away with us. He may

497
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 3: even be hearing this conversation. And then both of the

498
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 3: priests kind of look around frightened, and then barri Atua

499
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 3: accidentally drops his stack of scribbled papers, and when he

500
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 3: steps aside to gather it all up, the giant cross

501
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 3: in the front of the church suddenly topples over, crashes

502
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 3: to the floor, and crushes the other priest.

503
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, just clearly just crushes him dead right there on

504
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 2: the chapel floor.

505
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 3: That's the cold open, so smash. The other priest is dead.

506
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 3: And then a heavy, slow tempo rock song kicks in

507
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 3: and we get a credits montage which shows our priest

508
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 3: arriving in the big city, getting off the bus in

509
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 3: Madrid at the Puerta de Europa office complex, which I

510
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 3: guess is still under construction at this time.

511
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, also known as the Kio Towers. This was constructed

512
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 2: between nineteen eighty nine and nineteen ninety six, so it

513
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 2: was in the final stages of construction during the filming

514
00:28:58,280 --> 00:28:58,959
Speaker 2: of this movie.

515
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 3: So the priest walks the city, passing some street performers

516
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 3: who are playing music on the sidewalk who happened to

517
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 3: have a large black goat with them standing up on

518
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 3: top of some kind of lean to structure on the

519
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 3: side of the street there, and he just begins sinning immediately. Yes,

520
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 3: we watched the priest stop to steal all the coins

521
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 3: in a beggar's donation basket. He's going around improvising. You

522
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 3: can see him just looking through his environment for opportunities

523
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 3: to sin. So he steals from a needy person. A

524
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 3: policeman asks the priest to come over to a nearby

525
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 3: car wreck and administer last rites to a dying man.

526
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 3: When the priest gets to the wreck, he steals the

527
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 3: man's wallet and then tells him to rot in hell.

528
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 3: And then he walks away, and he stops to discard

529
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 3: a photo of the man's family from the wallet, and

530
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 3: he replaces it with a tarot card representing the devil.

531
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 3: Then he puts on some headphones. I was wondering I

532
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 3: don't I think we ever get clarity on what he's

533
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 3: listening to at this moment. We'll get some more about

534
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 3: his music endeavors in just a bit, but at this point,

535
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 3: is he supposed to be listening to the heavy metal

536
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 3: song that's playing on the soundtrack? Would that be a sin?

537
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 2: I mean, it's certainly implied by this in this film

538
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 2: that it would be considered a sin.

539
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 3: You know, when I was growing up, heavy metal was

540
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 3: widely regarded as as sin. I don't know if it's

541
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 3: still considered the same, or maybe it was just regarded

542
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 3: as close enough to count as sin. You know, like

543
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 3: the heavy metal lyrics are probably going to be sinful,

544
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 3: so it's just the you know, if you're if you've

545
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 3: got a D tuned guitar, if you're tuning down to

546
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 3: to D standard or C sharp or whatever, then yeah,

547
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 3: that's evil.

548
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 2: I remember, more just sort of anti popular music in

549
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 2: general general messaging. Yeah, that didn't focus as much on

550
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 2: heavy metal, but but then they would be like, you know,

551
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 2: don't listen to any of that, but listen instead to

552
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 2: this this official you know, popular church music. And then

553
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 2: you listen to it, and you know, you quickly realized, well,

554
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 2: this is a no go, this is no substitute, and

555
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: then you easily find ways to to to rationalize it

556
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 2: as well, like to where or at least in my experience,

557
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 2: it's like you can you listen to Black Sabbath and

558
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 2: you're like, well, actually, most of these songs are really

559
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 2: not that far out of line with Christian theology, so

560
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: it's totally fine all of it.

561
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 3: I mean a good number of Black Sabbath song lyrics

562
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 3: could literally just be Christian sermons.

563
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

564
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, some of them are quite preachy.

565
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

566
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 3: Anyway, after this, we get the title screen, which is

567
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 3: great design. Do you know who did this design? It

568
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 3: looks awesome.

569
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 2: I looked in the credits and I didn't see anybody

570
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 2: with like title card credit on this, but it is phenomenal. Yeah.

571
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 2: Eldad Labstia in blood red letters set against black, with

572
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 2: the white silhouette of a horned humanoid casting the shadow

573
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 2: of a cross, and the cross the crucifix is most

574
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 2: mostly inverted given the shadow, so it's yeah, it's delightfully subversive.

575
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 2: The holy symbol of the Church cast by the devil

576
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 2: again perhaps inverted. I'd say easily one of the best

577
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,719
Speaker 2: title cards I've ever seen. It's tremendous.

578
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 3: After the title screen is just more sinning than the

579
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 3: priest keeps going. He walks around. He goes up to

580
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 3: a human statue mime guy performing on top of a

581
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 3: pedestal beside a subway entrance, and at first he looks

582
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 3: at the guy's donation box and I'm thinking, oh, he's

583
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 3: going to steal his money again, but instead he suddenly

584
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 3: pushes the guy off his platform into the subway staircase.

585
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, hilarious.

586
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 3: He stops to look in a shop window that is

587
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 3: some kind of toy slash gun store. I didn't know

588
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 3: if there was a commentary of some kind going on here.

589
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 3: Like the display case is all dolls holding real guns.

590
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 3: There's that baby from the ninety sitcom Dinosaurs holding a pistol,

591
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 3: and there's a Teddy Bear with a semi auto rifle.

592
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 3: He doesn't do anything at the store, is just kind

593
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 3: of taken in the sights.

594
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, this I think is more a moment of just

595
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 2: sort of realizing or getting some potential insight into the

596
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 2: current state of Madrid, but also just the world in general,

597
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 2: Like this is what we've come to. Here's the here's

598
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 2: the the ninety sitcom Dinosaur's baby, not the mother, not

599
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 2: the mama, Not the mama, and there's some sort of

600
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 2: a weapon like right there in his lap.

601
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 3: There's also a moment here where he's walking down the

602
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 3: sidewalk with his headphones and suddenly a police car screeches

603
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 3: to a halt nearby. Several cops jump out of the

604
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 3: car and just start viciously beating what appear to be

605
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 3: some random young men who are walking in front of

606
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 3: the priest, and the priest does not intervene, He just

607
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 3: sort of watches the beating. He also stops at this

608
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 3: point to watch a newscast that's playing on a television

609
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 3: screen in a shop window, and it's reporting on a murder,

610
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 3: on the death of a man described as a tramp

611
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 3: who was burned alive by an attacker shouting clean up Madrid.

612
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 3: And this is a graffiti slogan Limpia Madrid that we

613
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 3: will also see spray painted around the city. It seems

614
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 3: like this is our first indication of it in the film,

615
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 3: but this will come back. This is a phrase associated

616
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,240
Speaker 3: with some kind of movement, a sentiment driving a wave

617
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 3: of fascist street violence. So it's interesting already at this

618
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 3: point we get a kind of duality. The priest is

619
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 3: here in Madrid to on one hand, do some important

620
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 3: sinning himself. We haven't gotten the full explanation for why

621
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 3: he has to do this, but he must sin. But

622
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 3: also he's here to kind of bear witness to a

623
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 3: wave of some sort of depravity that is sweeping the

624
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 3: society and is manifested in these different things he sees,

625
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 3: and the you know, teddy bears with guns and the

626
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 3: right wing street violence where you know, like unhoused people

627
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 3: are getting beaten up and murdered.

628
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 2: Yeah.

629
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 3: Also around this time, the priest catches another thing playing

630
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 3: on a TV in a shop window. It's a commercial

631
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 3: for a psychic calling himself Professor Cavaan. He is a

632
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 3: man with dark hair and a goatee, wearing all black

633
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,280
Speaker 3: with a big open collar showing his chest a skull

634
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 3: hand necklace. I think it's actually a hand with an

635
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 3: eye in the palm dangling from a necklace, big belt buckle.

636
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 3: He's on his TV set. He's leaning on a sculpture

637
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 3: of a toothy cat monster head and he says, oh La,

638
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 3: if you want to know what your future will be,

639
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 3: call me and remember, with my help we can achieve

640
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 3: the impossible, and we're gonna later see more clips of

641
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 3: this guy's call in Psychic Show. So at one point

642
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 3: we see him taking calls from viewers, and you know,

643
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 3: he'll give predictions about people's lives. Oh, I'm sorry, your

644
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 3: husband will be out of work for five years and

645
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 3: you're going to have a major medical event.

646
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 2: That I thought was really telling because yeah, he's talking,

647
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 2: he's selling the idea that you can achieve the impossible

648
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 2: through his visions, but he's also just peddling doom.

649
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's giving people really bad news, and we're later

650
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 3: going to learn he's consciously a Charlatan, So he's giving

651
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 3: people really bad news knowing that there's no basis for it. Yeah,

652
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 3: later we also, I thought this was interesting. We also

653
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 3: see these pre taped segments of Professor Kavan doing Catholic

654
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 3: exorcisms modeled on the scenes from the film The Exorcist.

655
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 3: So is he a Catholic who doing some of the

656
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 3: same rights that would be administered by a Catholic priest

657
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 3: or is he a satanic slash a cult magic guy? Interesting,

658
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 3: Like in my upbringing, I would have understood those things

659
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 3: as being opposite camps things pitted against each other. Though

660
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 3: I guess now in the world, I'm more aware of

661
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 3: a lot of figures that would kind of have a

662
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 3: foot in both of those camps, and I guess that

663
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 3: is what he is, But I don't know. At least

664
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 3: in my awareness as a child in Tennessee in the nineties,

665
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 3: I would not have thought that there could be somebody

666
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 3: who is both a like occult magic TV psychic and

667
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 3: doing Catholic exorcisms.

668
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely get this sense. It's more performative than

669
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 2: anything here. But certainly, once we get to know the

670
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 2: character a bit more, I think it becomes more clear.

671
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 2: But yeah, at this point in the film, it's less clear.

672
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 2: At this point in the film, what are we to

673
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: make of the exorcism that he's performing. Like, one of

674
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 2: the main themes and one of the main questions in

675
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 2: the movie is to what degree is the supernatural threat legitimate?

676
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 2: Does supernatural evil actually exist within this film? Like, you

677
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 2: go into a movie like this and you just kind

678
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 2: of expect the answer to be yes, because that's the

679
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 2: most entertaining answer. If you've seen the trailer, you probably think, yeah, okay,

680
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 2: I saw like a demon goat in the trailer, so

681
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 2: there must be real, legitimate, supernatural evil. But the movie

682
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 2: really ultimately ruminate on this this question. Yeah, you know,

683
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,240
Speaker 2: where what is the real evil that our main character

684
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,720
Speaker 2: is confronted with? Is it the the machinations of the devil?

685
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 2: Or is it something more pressing and more immediate in society?

686
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. I think there are interesting questions about

687
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 3: that in the end. Yeah. So anyway, Angel is clearly

688
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 3: interested in Professor Kvaan. He's like, this guy has something

689
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 3: I need. So he writes down.

690
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 2: Aultism bad sinning. This guy has answers, right exactly.

691
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 3: He writes down his phone number.

692
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 2: Six six six six six.

693
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 3: That's what it is.

694
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh nine six six six six six sixty six,

695
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 2: don't really call it's.

696
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 3: Double six sixty six. So, uh so Angel after this, Oh,

697
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 3: he steals another guy's luggage. He's just walking down the sidewalk,

698
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 3: steals his luggage, big red suitcase. At one point he

699
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 3: passes a street preacher who is reading from the Sermon

700
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:57,280
Speaker 3: on the Mount and he kind of stops and squares

701
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 3: off against this guy, and this seems to frighten off

702
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 3: the other preacher. I didn't quite understand this part, did

703
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,720
Speaker 3: you have an understanding of why the other guy runs away.

704
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 2: I didn't get it on my first viewing either. I thought, well,

705
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,760
Speaker 2: maybe this is some sort of meante like a Jesuit

706
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 2: Franciscan thing, But we're never one clear on what a

707
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 2: major division of the church our character is associated with.

708
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 2: I don't think there's some illusion that he might be Jesuit,

709
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 2: but we never hear it from him, I don't recall.

710
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 2: But after seeing the movie all the way through and

711
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 2: then going back and watching this scene again, I think

712
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 2: it has to We have to interpret it based on

713
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 2: that ambiguity that I already talked about, and so you

714
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 2: can think of it as Okay, a priest on an

715
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 2: evil path just spooks the righteous priest. But I think

716
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 2: the more compelling answer is that it's more about the

717
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 2: fact that in the face of all these real world

718
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 2: problems that are present in modern Madrid, the priest with

719
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: the megaphone is just ineffectively and meekly preaching on the

720
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 2: streak on the street, packing up and leaving at the

721
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 2: drop of a hat, you know, the slightest confrontation by

722
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 2: not like a criminal or a sinner, but just a

723
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 2: member of the church just looking at him, and he

724
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 2: just packs it up and runs off.

725
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 3: Gives him a hard stare and he's out of there.

726
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.

727
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 3: Next, while passing in front of a sex shop where

728
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 3: the where in the window there is a blow up

729
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 3: doll wrapped in Christmas lights. That's great, Angele receives a

730
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 3: flyer for an event handed out by a man in

731
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 3: a parka. It says the future is in your hands

732
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 3: no stradamus, poet or prophet, and then it advertises a

733
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 3: lecture in a nearby university hall. The following night, Angel

734
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:47,240
Speaker 3: stops the man handing out the leaflets and he says says,

735
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 3: I want to be one of you. I want to

736
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 3: see the devil, and the man does not seem to

737
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 3: know what he's talking about, so he gets weirded out

738
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 3: and runs away. Right after this, we're about to meet

739
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 3: another major character. Ungle goes into a heavy metal record

740
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 3: shop and approaches the shopkeeper with a handwritten list on

741
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 3: a scrap of paper. He's like, I need these things,

742
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 3: and he hands him the paper and then we see

743
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 3: the paper and it says Napalm des de Easy Iron

744
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 3: Maiden spelled normally and then hasse de say And it

745
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 3: took me a second, but then I was like, oh,

746
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 3: it's ac DCA. But here in the heavy metal emporium. Yeah,

747
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 3: we're gonna begin a beautiful friendship. So the guy working

748
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 3: in the shop is a greasy dude about thirty years old,

749
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 3: with long, stringy hair, a denim jacket with the sleeves

750
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 3: cut off, wearing a whole bunch of satanic metal insignia.

751
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 3: He's got a pentagram tattoo and everything. And this is

752
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 3: Jose Maria. He's going to become a major character. Agele

753
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 3: gets directions to to find the metal bands he requested,

754
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 3: and he starts flipping through the records in a box,

755
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 3: and Jose Maria confirms that the bands he requested are

756
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 3: indeed heavy heavy in Spanish, this is Forte and Jose

757
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,240
Speaker 3: Maria has a wonderful little tick where he quietly mutters

758
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 3: fute about lots of things, like every time Ungle says

759
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 3: something about the devil, he's likete. Yeah.

760
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 2: Uh.

761
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 3: The two of them chat. Apparently Jose Maria studied theology

762
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 3: and Catholic ethics when he was in school. But then

763
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 3: he says, look where I ended up, because I guess

764
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,919
Speaker 3: he's very, very devil affiliated now. And we also learned

765
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 3: that Angle is not just a priest but a theology professor.

766
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,240
Speaker 3: Ungle asks to hear a sample of a few metal records,

767
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 3: including this one called Live Death with a big, gory

768
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 3: monster face on the cover. I should have looked that

769
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 3: up to see if that's a real record. I don't

770
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 3: know if it is.

771
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's plenty of We see plenty of real records

772
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,479
Speaker 2: in the background and in the store of the front

773
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 2: window of the shop, and it's yeah, it's fun to

774
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 2: sort of. I had to pause the movie a couple

775
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 2: of places, just decided try to take it all in

776
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 2: because I don't remember ever going into a like a

777
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 2: metal centric record store. I don't. I don't know that

778
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 2: if I would have been comfortable as a child or

779
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 2: a youth going into such a place, you know, the

780
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 2: danger of it all. But you know, certainly I remember

781
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 2: looking at the more outrageous, you know, album covers it's

782
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 2: like Camelot Music back in the day, or going into

783
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 2: the look like the T shirt shop at the mall

784
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 2: and seeing some of the you know, the the more

785
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 2: shocking T shirt designs for different metal bands.

786
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 3: I equate that with feeling a little freaked out going

787
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 3: into Spencer's Gifts when I was a child and seeing

788
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 3: the spawn figurines.

789
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was like Spencer's Gifts, and then there

790
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 2: was a like a an off brand like Local. I

791
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 2: guess it's almost kind of a Headshot, but without the

792
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 2: drug paraphernalia, like just the shirts and some weird incense

793
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 2: and so forth.

794
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 3: So anyway, this the live Death record. Jose Maria confirms

795
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 3: that it is indeed heavy, and he puts it on

796
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 3: and he starts headbanging and playing air guitar along to it,

797
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 3: and the priest is like, no, no, don't play it like that.

798
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 3: You got to play it backwards, because he's looking for

799
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 3: a signal or a message of some kind. He's trying

800
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 3: to see if he can find some instructions from the devil,

801
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 3: because it.

802
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,760
Speaker 2: Is all stuff that, like he's come to believe, supposed

803
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 2: to steadily lead you astray. Yeah, but he doesn't have

804
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 2: that much time. He needs to become a massive center tonight. Yes,

805
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 2: And so he's like, good, just go ahead and play

806
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 2: it backwards. Let's cut to the chase, get to the

807
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 2: part where I am able to appeal directly to Satan.

808
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 3: I love how innocent he is. It's like he's never

809
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 3: heard music before. He just assumes, based on word of

810
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 3: mouth that these records have satanic messages when you play

811
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 3: them backwards and he needs to hear something from the devil.

812
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 3: They don't find any messages. And then jose Maria gives

813
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 3: him a tape of a band called Satanica, gives it

814
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,760
Speaker 3: to him on the house since he likes the priest's style,

815
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 3: and then he invites the priest to see them in

816
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 3: concert the next evening at a venue called Hell. Then

817
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 3: he also invites the priest to come stay at his

818
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 3: mother's boarding house, where he also lives along with his mother, who,

819
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 3: as we mentioned earlier, is a kind of She has

820
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 3: a paranoid right wing disposition. She's obsessed with crime, fantasizing

821
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 3: about violence against people she sees is undesirable. Also, there

822
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,760
Speaker 3: is his grandfather, who always walks around naked or wearing

823
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 3: only a bathrobe and is regularly dosed with LSD by

824
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 3: jose Maria kind of unceremoniously, here's your acid pops.

825
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this does contain full frontal male nudity for

826
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 2: comedic value.

827
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 3: Yeah. Also lives there with a woman named Mina, who

828
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 3: works for his mother. Jose Maria is attracted to Mina,

829
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 3: but the feeling is not mutual. The priest takes Jose

830
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 3: Maria up on the offer and goes to stay overnight

831
00:45:56,360 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 3: at the boarding house, where we see him intentionally burning

832
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 3: his own feet with a hot cigarette. I was like, oh, wow,

833
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 3: that's rough. Later, it's going to be revealed that he

834
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 3: is burning marks in the shape of a cross on

835
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 3: the soles of his two feet, and I think I realized,

836
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 3: only thinking back on it later, that they're like, oh,

837
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 3: is that blasphemy because he's like walking on the cross,

838
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 3: he's stepping in.

839
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. Like, I think that that vaguely reminds me of

840
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 2: some of the the accusations that were made against the

841
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 2: Knight's Templar that they would step on the cross. Yeah,

842
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 2: they would step on the cross or like putting the

843
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 2: cross on the soles of your feet. Maybe it was

844
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 2: from some other alleged acts of Satanism, but in the

845
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 2: movie here it's it's kind of in many respects, it's

846
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 2: kind of like the hardest non comedic thing that he

847
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 2: that he does, like to himself or others in the

848
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 2: name of this path of sinning. But I guess it's

849
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 2: kind of there to like punctuate the seriousness of what

850
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 2: he's doing, because again we don't know all the ins

851
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 2: and outs necessarily of of the the plan.

852
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 3: Yet, right. We also see him yank a crucifix off

853
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 3: the wall and throw it on the floor when he

854
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 3: gets in the room, unceremoniously. Just yeah. So after this

855
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 3: there is a great shoplifting scene. There's a scene the

856
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 3: next day where the priest goes and tries to shoplift

857
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 3: a book about magic by Professor Kavan from a store.

858
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,720
Speaker 3: In fact, it's not just a book. It's this book

859
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 3: that is plastic wrapped with a bunch of little trinkets,

860
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 3: the like a little hand necklace and I think some

861
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 3: other stuff, maybe a chalice.

862
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 2: That's great, you know when I remember when I was young,

863
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 2: you go to the bookstore and you could get the

864
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 2: Satanic Bible, you could get the Necronomicon, but they didn't

865
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 2: come with like candles and.

866
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 3: Stuff like stuff you need.

867
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, like this is the starter kit for occultism

868
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 2: and Professor Kavan is supplying.

869
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 3: It batteries included. Yeah. So Angle rips up the plastic

870
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 3: and he takes the book out. When he gets caught,

871
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 3: he's taken to the security chief's office in the back

872
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 3: of the store, and here we get some exposition. Actually,

873
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 3: for some reason, not sure why he picks this point

874
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 3: to explain everything, but he does. He explains everything to

875
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 3: the security chief. He says, I wasn't stealing for lack

876
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 3: of money. He says, he's shoplifting because he's got to

877
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 3: learn how to do evil. And the reason he must

878
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 3: learn to do evil is that he has to establish

879
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 3: contact with Satan. The reason he has to establish contact

880
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 3: with Satan is that he discovered a secret message encoded

881
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 3: within the Book of Revelation which revealed that the world

882
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 3: would end today in his words in the movie. So

883
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 3: it's supposed to be Christmas Eve, December twenty fourth of

884
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 3: the year the movie takes place, and at midnight, the

885
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 3: Antichrist is going to be born and that will be

886
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 3: the end of the world. Security chief kind of steps

887
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 3: aside to talk to his assistant as like any of

888
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 3: the local asylums missing a patient, call him up and see.

889
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 3: But when he turns back into the room, Angel knocks

890
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 3: him out with an iron and escapes. And then on

891
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:55,760
Speaker 3: the way out of the parking lot, he just keys

892
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 3: all the cars.

893
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,280
Speaker 2: I laugh so hard when he keys all the cars

894
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 2: on the way, like how many cars do you have

895
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 2: the key in order to get into help. That's where

896
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 2: he's coming from.

897
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 3: So the world is ending today and the priest needs

898
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 3: to get close to Satan before the end of the

899
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 3: day so he can intervene to stop that from happening.

900
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 3: Uh the uh. Then there's a kind of lunch scene

901
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,240
Speaker 3: at the boarding house which is hilarious in multiple ways.

902
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 3: The mother there is serving everyone burned rabbit that she

903
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 3: got on sale. We can come back to rabbit in

904
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 3: a bit, of course. This is the scene where we

905
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 3: see granddad walking around naked, just like the bathrobe flopping open.

906
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 3: Jose Maria gives him a tab of acid like it's

907
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 3: his daily blood pressure medication, and then he also just

908
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 3: takes some too. It's like, oh yeah, just popping that

909
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,800
Speaker 3: in with lunch. Yeah, just your yeah, your lunchtime dose

910
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 3: of acid givings. He offers similisty to the priest and

911
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 3: the priest is just like no, thank you. But the

912
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 3: priest tries to recruit Jose Maria to help him on

913
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 3: his quest. He says, tonight the Antichrist is going to

914
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,399
Speaker 3: be born. I have to stop it. So we need

915
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 3: to figure out how to summon the devil so that

916
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 3: I can intervene to stop the Antichrist being born. He says,

917
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 3: I must sell my soul to the devil, but I

918
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 3: don't know how. And then Jose Maria says forte.

919
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love Jose Marias just he's down. He's like, yeah,

920
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 2: let's do it. Like he's he's only just met the priest,

921
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 2: but he's just he's so loyal to him. You know,

922
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 2: they're just great friends from the get go.

923
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,240
Speaker 3: Here they bonded over shared musical taste at the beginning,

924
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 3: and now they're just friends for life. Yeah. One thing

925
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 3: that I thought was interesting and different about this from

926
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 3: other movies that have a priest character fighting Satan or

927
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 3: fighting evil. Most movies assume that the priest hero already

928
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 3: has knowledge of the dark arts. The core premise here

929
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 3: is exactly the opposite. The priest is totally clueless about

930
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 3: Satan and the occult, clueless to a more clueless than

931
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 3: the average person, and so doesn't understand it, like takes

932
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 3: things too literally about Satan being found in heavy metal

933
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:18,959
Speaker 3: records and stuff like that.

934
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it helps to give our protagonists this real innocent

935
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 2: vibe that we've already discussed, and it also plays so

936
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 2: well with the overarching themes of the film. So yeah,

937
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 2: we just we're fumbling toward the apocalypse here.

938
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 3: So they come up with a plan. They are going

939
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 3: to go to the TV occultist and magician, the Professor Kavan.

940
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 3: Surely he's going to know how to summon satan ye.

941
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 3: And here we also get to watch an episode of

942
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 3: Kavan's show where he does some exorcisms, and this part

943
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 3: is hilarious. The occult graphics floating in space, it was wonderful.

944
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, cringy CGI show graphics like mid nineties live audience

945
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,240
Speaker 2: just eating it up. And then the taped extorcism segments

946
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 2: where he's engaging with and encouraging the superstitions of everyday people.

947
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 2: You see like one of the like that the family

948
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 2: members of the possessed child with like a big garland

949
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 2: of garlic. Yeah, so this is tremendous.

950
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,720
Speaker 3: And we later learned that he views these people with contempt,

951
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,280
Speaker 3: like he thinks that they're fools for believing in him.

952
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 3: So also the CGI intro to the Professor Kevan show

953
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 3: looks like beyond the Mind's Eye there is a scene

954
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:35,800
Speaker 3: too far. There is a scene where they follow Professor

955
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 3: Kavon home after he finishes taping his show, so they

956
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 3: follow him in his car. On the way, he stops

957
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,280
Speaker 3: to pick up a bottle of wine in a shop

958
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 3: that has just been the site of a massacre by

959
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 3: the Cleanup Madrid Gang. And it's very sinister. How this

960
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 3: scene I think emphasizes the way the violence is just

961
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 3: going on in the background, and it's emphasized that many

962
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 3: characters barely knows that there is like a far right

963
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 3: wing paramilitary running around killing people in the city. They're

964
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 3: just like it's you know, the barely batting an eye

965
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 3: and it the guy just walks past dead bodies in

966
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 3: the shop.

967
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think upon first encountering the scene, I wasn't

968
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 2: sure how to take it, Like it was I supposed

969
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 2: to learn something about Kevan specifically from it, and I

970
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 2: was also still looking out for the possibility that some

971
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 2: characters might actually be the devil. But yeah, I think

972
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 2: it's more about just people in general and how desensitized

973
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 2: they've become to this sort of violence and this, yeah,

974
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 2: this level of violence in the city. Yeah, and the

975
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 2: violence here by the way, the violence that we see

976
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 2: from the fascist gang. Unlike the most of the rest

977
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 2: of the violence in the film, it's not played for laughs.

978
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 3: Yeah that's true. Yeah, most of the violence in the

979
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 3: movie is slapstick. But this stuff is dark and scary.

980
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:55,959
Speaker 2: Yeah.

981
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. But anyway, after this, Kevan goes home and the

982
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 3: priest to follow him and goes up to his apartment.

983
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 3: Did you have a note about his apartment?

984
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 2: Oh, my goodness, this apartment building. So first of all,

985
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 2: we have the exterior of the apartment building, which is

986
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 2: I believe it is called at the Ficio Capital, built

987
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 2: in the early nineteen thirties. Incredible building, at least at

988
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 2: the time of this filming, had this glorious Neon Schwepp's

989
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 2: sign at the top. The interior they use for the

990
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 2: apartment building. I'm not sure. I don't know where this is.

991
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 2: Maybe this is just inside of this actual building, but

992
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 2: I kind of assumed it was another building. But at

993
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 2: any rate, it's glorious, just this like grand I guess

994
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 2: you'd call this space an atrium with stairs going up

995
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 2: and then twin antique elevators ascending up alongside those stairs.

996
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 2: Very elegant, beautifully shot. Again, in general, this film is

997
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 2: just a wealth of amazing Madrid centric locations.

998
00:54:56,719 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, this building is really cool and so anyway, Yeah,

999
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 3: the priest goes up to Kavan's apartment. He knocks on

1000
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 3: the door. Kavan, when he hears the spiel, he thinks

1001
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 3: that the priest he's just some crank trying to get

1002
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 3: booked on his TV show. But then the priest knocks

1003
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 3: Kavan out with a gong mallet, ties him up, and

1004
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,720
Speaker 3: then subjects him to a captive lecture on the coming

1005
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 3: birth of the Anti Christ.

1006
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 2: Worth noting that when Kavan answered the door he had

1007
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 2: two Champagne glasses, so clearly he's expecting somebody, and it's

1008
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 2: not an apocalypse obsessed priest. He's clearly waiting on a

1009
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:33,800
Speaker 2: lady friend.

1010
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 3: That's right. Meanwhile, just note while that's going on and

1011
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 3: up in the apartment, down in the car on the

1012
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 3: street below, Jose Maria is hanging out. He's like sitting

1013
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 3: in the car smoking weed and listening to metal under

1014
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 3: the giant Neon Schweb's sign, and the police are coming

1015
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 3: by and harassing him for parking badly, and he's quite annoyed. Yeah,

1016
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 3: so yeah, we get to see some of this lecture

1017
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 3: that the priest is giving to Kavan any any comment

1018
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 3: on the priest scholarship here.

1019
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 2: You know, I feel like they kind of walk an

1020
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 2: intentional line here between complexity and madness, right, I mean,

1021
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 2: it's the way the priest is presenting it, like like

1022
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 2: a lot of conspiracy theories and you know, in occultist arguments.

1023
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 2: You know it. It seems to be making a fair

1024
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 2: amount of sense. It seems to be intelligently composed. But

1025
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 2: this isn't enough to really to convince anybody, Like really,

1026
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 2: nobody except jose Maria believes this. When he tells anybody

1027
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:42,399
Speaker 2: about this, Yeah, like everyone is like, that's crazy, You're

1028
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,959
Speaker 2: a crazy person. Hosely Maria is the only one who's like, yeah, this, Yeah,

1029
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 2: this is what's up. Let's do it.

1030
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. So but anyway, we get to the end message

1031
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 3: of this, which is that the priest thinks, if I

1032
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 3: don't contact the devil, find the place where the Antichrist

1033
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 3: will be born and stop that from happening, the world

1034
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 3: is going to end tonight.

1035
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, he knows when the Antichrist will be born, which

1036
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 2: is tonight, but he doesn't know where, right though, They

1037
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 2: kind of ghost over the like what if it had

1038
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 2: been in.

1039
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:12,919
Speaker 3: Chicago, different city.

1040
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:15,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, but clearly it was always going to be in Madrid.

1041
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, well maybe they did it might have I might

1042
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 3: have forgotten if they said that he knew somehow it

1043
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 3: was going to be in Madrid, but not where in Madrid.

1044
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe that's more the case. He does not know

1045
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 2: precisely where to go in order to stop it.

1046
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 3: So, by the way, there's some really funny stuff in

1047
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 3: here just going on in the background where jose Marie

1048
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 3: gets tired of being bothered by the cops so down

1049
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 3: on the streets, so he comes up to the apartment

1050
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 3: and just starts messing around with the gongs and the

1051
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 3: masks on the wall.

1052
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, some great background comedy.

1053
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 3: But also in this scene they establish that in Mockery

1054
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 3: of God, the birth of the Antichrist will be like

1055
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 3: the birth of Jesus in Bethlehem.

1056
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 2: Uh.

1057
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 3: And they somehow also figure out that the three of them,

1058
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 3: the priest, the metal head, and the occult professor, will

1059
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 3: be the three wise Men. And the priest makes a

1060
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 3: comment here he says, I'm sacrificing eternal life to fool

1061
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 3: the devil. And you know, I think that's an interesting

1062
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 3: comment because it establishes that, in the priest's understanding, he

1063
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 3: thinks he's not going to be excused for all of

1064
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 3: the sin that he's doing. He's basically committed to himself

1065
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 3: going to hell and actually being counted as part of

1066
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 3: the Devil's armies in order to have the knowledge necessary

1067
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 3: to defeat the devil.

1068
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, like he is approaching it with a level of humility. However, again,

1069
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 2: the question that hangs over all of this is he

1070
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 2: self deluded in this? Does he is he looking for

1071
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 2: an Antichrist that is not there and has never been there?

1072
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 2: Is he looking for supernatural evil in a world where

1073
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 2: it does not exist, where the only thing that exists

1074
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 2: is human misery, human superstition and so forth, Or is

1075
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 2: there an actual supernatural threat, in which case he is

1076
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 2: the only person who can stop it.

1077
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 3: Right, So one way to find that out is I

1078
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 3: got to summon the devil and talk to him. So

1079
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 3: he's going to try to convince Kevan to tell him

1080
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 3: how to do a ritual to summon the devil and

1081
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 3: sell his soul and sell his soul to the devil. Yes,

1082
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 3: so this has a bunch of different parts. He kind

1083
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:29,439
Speaker 3: of he forces Kavan to explain it to him. Kavan

1084
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 3: again is like, tied up and incapacitated, he knows he

1085
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 3: has to draw a pentacle on the floor get a sword.

1086
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 3: They are told they need some hallucinogenic mushrooms, which they

1087
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 3: can't get, but jose Maria is like, oh, I've got

1088
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 3: LSD and they decide that's good.

1089
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 2: He literally has a pocket full of acids.

1090
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. And also in the scene, Kevan acknowledges that he

1091
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 3: is a fraud and he mocks the idea of people

1092
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 3: who would watch his show. He's like, you sound like

1093
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 3: a fool. You sound like somebody who would who would

1094
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 3: watch my show and bel leave it's real. But you know,

1095
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 3: they force him to say more about what he knows

1096
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 3: about the ritual, so he's like, well, what we really

1097
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 3: need is the blood of a maiden. That sets off

1098
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 3: a whole middle of the movie subplot where the priest

1099
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 3: has to try to retrieve some virgin blood. First, they're

1100
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 3: going to get some from Professor Cavan's girlfriend who shows

1101
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 3: up at the apartment, but she's not going to work

1102
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 3: because she's not a virgin, and she gets injured while

1103
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 3: falling being chased by the priest. Then the priest has

1104
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 3: to go back to the boarding house because his idea

1105
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 3: is he is going to steal some of Mina's blood.

1106
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 3: When he gets there, they're like, there's some comedy thing

1107
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 3: about No, we're having rabbit for dinner, and so it's

1108
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 3: like they're always having rabbit at this place. Is there

1109
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 3: some significance to this in Spain?

1110
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 2: My understanding, and I could be mistaken here, is that

1111
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 2: rabbit was long considered like kind of a peasant food

1112
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 2: or working class food in Spain. But of course these

1113
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 2: sorts of things have a way of changing over time

1114
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 2: and becoming part of high class cuisine. I know, I

1115
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 2: know I've seen some. I think maybe I've seen some

1116
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 2: of Jose Andreas's cooking show where he's cooking rabbit. So

1117
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 2: I think it's one of those things that is traditionally

1118
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 2: Spanish and you know, can also be celebrated, but not

1119
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 2: at this boarding house where it's it's not only rabbit,

1120
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 2: it is like the cheap rabbit. Yeah.

1121
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 3: Well maybe it's not a general joke about rabbit, but yeah, yeah,

1122
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 3: his mom buys rabbit on sale and then burns it

1123
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 3: and they have that for every meal. Yeah, and remember

1124
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 3: the mom is like the really mean nasty lady too,

1125
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 3: and she whoops in the In the quest to steal

1126
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 3: Mina's blood, which has a hole, like, he tries to

1127
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 3: like drug her so that he can steal some of

1128
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 3: her blood with a with a syringe. He gets caught

1129
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 3: by Jose Maria's mother and she attacks him with a shotgun,

1130
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 3: which a shotgun blast sort of rips up half of

1131
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 3: the priest's face like tears his ear off, and he's

1132
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 3: all bloody. And then there's a fight and the fascist

1133
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 3: mom gets knocked on the stairs and dies, but he

1134
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 3: does get the blood.

1135
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, great sequence overall. That also has some big laughs,

1136
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 2: like when he's dragging Mina's unconscious body and he hides

1137
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 2: in the bathroom with her and we see that Grandpa's on.

1138
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:15,919
Speaker 3: The toilet and yeah, yeah, but our priest is he's

1139
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 3: so he's really breaking bad at this point, he has

1140
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 3: he has at least inadvertently killed now. Yeah, so back

1141
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 3: at the apartment, there is conflict between Professor Kavan and

1142
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 3: Jose Maria about the ritual. There's a really hilarious exchange

1143
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 3: where Jose Maria is carving the pentagram onto the floor. Yeah,

1144
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 3: and Professor Kavan's like, you don't have to ruin my floor.

1145
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 3: You can just draw it. You just draw it. And

1146
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 3: jose Maria is like, nope, the book you wrote says

1147
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 3: you've got to carve it. It's like it doesn't matter. But anyway,

1148
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 3: the priest returns and now they've got all the implements

1149
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 3: they need to do the ritual, and so the three

1150
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 3: of them do the ritual to summon the devil to

1151
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 3: establish Kavan again still leaves this is just hogwash at

1152
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 3: this point. Also, Kevan's girlfriend Susanna is tied up in

1153
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 3: the other room while they're doing this, so she's present

1154
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 3: in the apartment, but not in the same room witnessing

1155
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 3: what's happening. Uh. And so they stand in the pentacle.

1156
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 3: I think, do all three of them take the acid?

1157
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 2: Yes, yes they do, And I think that's important for

1158
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 2: the plot from this point on, is that they have

1159
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 2: all consumed acid, and the priest especially has consumed a

1160
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 2: lot of acid. Yes, they like crumple up the little

1161
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 2: bits of bladder paper and drop it into the into

1162
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 2: the bowl with the what is it water or wine,

1163
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 2: I can't remember which, and then.

1164
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 3: You know something, drink it up. Yeah, Okay, so they've

1165
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 3: consumed acid, and then the magician Cavan is still saying,

1166
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 3: nothing's going to happen. This is not a you know, this,

1167
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 3: this ritual is not real.

1168
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. In fact, when they finished the ritual, they're like,

1169
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 2: the priest is like, nothing's happening, and Kevan is like,

1170
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 2: that's exact factly what happens when you do this kind

1171
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 2: of ritual. Nothing happens because this is all hogwash.

1172
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 3: But then things start getting weird. They get a menacing

1173
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 3: cockroach crawling across the floor. It seems to have a

1174
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 3: magical aura about him.

1175
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it won't cross the lines of the inscription on

1176
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 2: the floor.

1177
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 3: And then we meet a goat.

1178
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 2: Goat.

1179
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 3: Goat comes a black billy goat comes out of the

1180
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 3: other room, wanders into the room, turns by pedal, reveals

1181
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 3: sharp teeth. There's a whole goat encounter.

1182
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and you know, to be clear, we did

1183
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 2: establish one live goat earlier in the picture. Goats can

1184
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 2: stand on their hind legs and it can be seen

1185
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 2: as creepy. Goats do not have teeth like this. So

1186
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 2: one of the big questions that again hangs over the

1187
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 2: whole film is is it real or is it imaginary?

1188
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 2: And certainly at this point we have to begin asking

1189
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 2: how much is real and how much is like some

1190
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 2: sort of a hallucination brought on by a massive dose

1191
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 2: of LSD.

1192
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:00,439
Speaker 3: That's right. So this question I think remains the rest

1193
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 3: of the film. But fortunately for the priest, at least

1194
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 3: after the goat experience, Cavan now seems convinced he's sort

1195
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 3: of on the team, and they release Susannah to go home,

1196
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 3: and now they're going to be working together, so they

1197
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 3: start trying to figure out what the encounter means. There

1198
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 3: is a message that they're trying to put together from

1199
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:23,600
Speaker 3: the leftover remains of a burned piece of newspaper from

1200
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 3: the ritual, and it ends up spelling this is not

1201
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 3: a game, which I think essentially means to them. They

1202
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 3: interpret to me and like, you're not fooling me. Signed

1203
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 3: to the Devil.

1204
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1205
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 3: This leads into an escape sequence, like the police start

1206
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 3: to arrive at the apartment and the three men are

1207
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 3: trying to escape. They climb outside onto the giant schweb

1208
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 3: sign outside the building, and Jose Maria is deliriously acid

1209
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 3: tripping and messing around trying to hang off of the sign.

1210
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 2: Like letting go and being like I can fly. Yeah,

1211
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 2: They're like, what are you doing? Yeah, So it's a

1212
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 2: great comedic action statement.

1213
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 3: They get separated by a partial fall. Nobody dies but

1214
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 3: Angel and Jose Maria. They flee through the apartment building

1215
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 3: as police arrive, going through a different apartment and frightening

1216
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 3: some people, and the two of them, now separated from Cavan,

1217
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 3: run around to Madrid at this point, trying to find

1218
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 3: more signs to point them to where the Antichrist is

1219
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 3: going to be born. So they end up going to

1220
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 3: the Christmas Eve speech in the lecture hall by the

1221
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 3: professor on Noster Damas. Remember that from way at the

1222
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 3: beginning of the movie.

1223
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I have to admit like watching a film

1224
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 2: like this where the not every film we watch for

1225
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 2: weird house cinema is so tightly composed. Sometimes they are

1226
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 2: you know, things are introduced that go absolutely nowhere. So

1227
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 2: it can almost come as a shock when I, you know,

1228
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 2: when I come around to a film where everything is

1229
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 2: connected so beautifully and like little things that are introduced

1230
01:06:55,120 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 2: earlier in the film actually have payoff later on.

1231
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 3: So the priest causes a disruption during the lecture. He

1232
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 3: seems to think that the speaker knows where the Antichrist

1233
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 3: is going to be born, and the speaker clearly has

1234
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 3: no idea what he's talking about, and this leads to

1235
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 3: a big conflict with the police and leads to the

1236
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 3: priest and Jose Maria running away. Later in this police chase,

1237
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 3: Ungle ends up in a live Nativity scene and the

1238
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 3: cops end up shooting the wise man, and then Ungle

1239
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 3: and Jose Maria escape by hijacking a car. They track

1240
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 3: down the Nostrodamus lecture guy and attempt to interrogate him,

1241
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 3: but it's clear that he doesn't know what's going on.

1242
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 3: And then the priest finally he's despairing and he says

1243
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 3: the devil is laughing at us. And somewhere around this

1244
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:51,440
Speaker 3: point they kind of have a tender moment where the

1245
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 3: priest wonders if you know, wonders if he's just being

1246
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 3: a fool, and he looks at an advertisement that says,

1247
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 3: at last, Heaven is sending you the signal you've been

1248
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 3: waiting for. I think, is this an ad for satellite TV?

1249
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 2: I guess so that would that would make sense given

1250
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 2: the time.

1251
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. Meanwhile, while they're doing that, professor Kavan goes back

1252
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 3: to the TV station to solve the mystery himself. He's

1253
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:17,800
Speaker 3: on their side now and he's trying to use his

1254
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 3: shows research resources, the Dark Zone TV show. It has

1255
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 3: a lot of great resources, I guess, also a lot

1256
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 3: of people working late on Christmas Eve. Though ultimately he

1257
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 3: figures out the answer by looking at an illustration of

1258
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 3: occult symbols in his own book. The answer. The answer

1259
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:39,280
Speaker 3: is that Antichrist is going to be born at the

1260
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 3: two Towers, the Gates, the Gates of Europe that we

1261
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 3: saw earlier in the film.

1262
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that kind of formed these two like these

1263
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:52,720
Speaker 2: two lines that are leaning towards each other.

1264
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:55,840
Speaker 3: Now, there are a few more things that happen with

1265
01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:59,600
Speaker 3: the priest. At one point, he's left alone and he

1266
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 3: witness this is a savage beating, a savage beating and

1267
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 3: fire torture murder of a man living on the street

1268
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:08,599
Speaker 3: by the Olympia Madrid gang. These guys come along, get

1269
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 3: out of a van and just kill a guy and

1270
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 3: he's horrified. And after this, the priest ends up remembering

1271
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:20,600
Speaker 3: the Satanica concert he had tickets to uh and he

1272
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:23,799
Speaker 3: goes to see the band. He is like wandering around

1273
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 3: at this metal show, and he like sees a pregnant

1274
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 3: woman in the audience and like goes up to her

1275
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:30,519
Speaker 3: as if he's gonna ask her questions, but he's obviously

1276
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:32,680
Speaker 3: bothering her. And then a bunch of metal dudes in

1277
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 3: the audience intervene and beat up the priest.

1278
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:37,960
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, leave them in a bathroom after they smash

1279
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 2: his head on a urinal.

1280
01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:41,559
Speaker 3: Jose Maria comes in to find him beaten in the

1281
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:45,840
Speaker 3: bathroom and comes to his aid. He's almost it almost

1282
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 3: feels like a biblical parable, you know, he's coming to

1283
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 3: help help him from the side of the road because

1284
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:53,720
Speaker 3: he's he's the good Samaritan here, and he helps him up.

1285
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 3: But then finally there is a like meeting of information.

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Speaker 3: So it begins through a TV broadcast slash phone call

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Speaker 3: and a kind of weird scene where Professor Kavan is

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01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 3: able to get the information to the priest about where

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Speaker 3: the Antichrist is going to be born at this office complex.

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Speaker 3: At the same time, the priest is worrying still that

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Speaker 3: he may actually just be going mad, but now Kavan

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Speaker 3: is the one who's fully convinced, and Cavan drives out

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Speaker 3: to join them and together the three of them head

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Speaker 3: to the Towers, and this is where the final showdown

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Speaker 3: of the movie is going to take place. When they

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Speaker 3: get to the Gates of Europe complex, they find they're

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Speaker 3: at like this sort of site that's still under construction,

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Speaker 3: and there are a bunch of unhoused poor people living

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Speaker 3: around the base of the construction site. And they hear

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Speaker 3: a baby's cry. So this seems to signal, you know,

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Speaker 3: the birth of the Antichrist. But then it kind of

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Speaker 3: makes you wonder, like, wait, what was the priest going

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Speaker 3: to do? It seems is he actually is he planning

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Speaker 3: to kill a baby? And then upon a rival, whatever

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01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:04,920
Speaker 3: they were gonna do is preempted because somebody else is there.

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Speaker 3: It's the Olympia Madrid Gang. It is the Cleanup Madrid,

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01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 3: the fascist street violence gang. And this gang just starts

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01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 3: murdering the people that live there, including a horrible turn

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Speaker 3: in the very dark turn in the movie, horribly just

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Speaker 3: shooting the family with the newborn.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're in a makeshift shelter made out of like

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Speaker 2: cardboard boxes and so forth, and they like gun them

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Speaker 2: down in it, and then we learned that there was

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Speaker 2: an infant in there. I guess we heard the infants

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Speaker 2: cries earlier.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so the final showdown turns out to be not

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Speaker 3: with an Antichrist or with an explicitly satanic cult, but

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Speaker 3: between our Three Wise Men characters and the Olympia Madrid gang.

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Speaker 3: And here's where I wanted to mention an interesting pattern

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Speaker 3: in the movie The Priest. We've mentioned his kind of

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Speaker 3: innocence and seeming lack of experience with the symbol and

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01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 3: reality of evil in the world. The Priest keeps looking

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01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:07,599
Speaker 3: for the root of evil and the soul of the

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01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 3: devil in superficially satanic stuff in heavy metal music and

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01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 3: occult magicians. But this is over and over proving a

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Speaker 3: dead end because all of these people who Openla Traffic

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Speaker 3: in the image of magic and Satan are revealed to

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01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 3: be playing in one way or another. They're all just

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01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:33,439
Speaker 3: either kind of playing a game and having fun, or

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01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 3: they're running a scam, or none of it is real

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01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:39,800
Speaker 3: engagement with evil. I mean, I guess you could argue

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Speaker 3: that it's bad to lie like Professor Cavan does openly,

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01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:47,040
Speaker 3: but none of it is real engagement with Satan. It's

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01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:50,840
Speaker 3: all some form of play or trick and many but

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01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 3: not all of these people with the superficial engagement with

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01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:58,040
Speaker 3: magic and the Devil are revealed to be rather harmless

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01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:01,799
Speaker 3: and even friendly. The actual heart of evil is shown

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01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 3: in the end of the story to be the cruelty

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01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:10,320
Speaker 3: of the supposedly conservative fascist street thugs who present themselves

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01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 3: as allies of morality, rectitude, order, and the church.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the very individuals who are supposedly cleaning up Madrid.

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01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:22,160
Speaker 2: There of course just committing like horrible acts of violence,

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Speaker 2: torture and murder.

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Speaker 3: That is what the devil really is. And so there

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01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 3: is a final fight between our three wise men characters

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01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 3: and the members of this gang, the Cleanup Madrid gang,

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01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:38,000
Speaker 3: And at some point in this fight, Professor Kavaan is

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01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:41,480
Speaker 3: badly beaten and left at the bottom of this structure.

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01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:44,800
Speaker 3: But the other two guys, the Priest and the metal Head,

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01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 3: they go up to the top of the structure and

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01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:50,560
Speaker 3: they end up confronted with, at least from the Priest's

1352
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:53,799
Speaker 3: point of view, what looks like a real whole devil,

1353
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:56,799
Speaker 3: full whole bipedal goat head devil.

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01:13:57,080 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, a full special effects shot that some of you

1355
01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:03,880
Speaker 2: may have seen for like I think the trailer or

1356
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 2: like Instagram videos that have drawn imagery from this film,

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01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:13,599
Speaker 2: like a really cool looking, very metal horned humanoid demon

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01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:19,320
Speaker 2: that is depending on how you like take it apart.

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01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:23,720
Speaker 2: Either the priest is is straight up hallucinating that the

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01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 2: leader of the Madrid Gang, the cleanup Madrid Gang, is

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01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:32,400
Speaker 2: this devil or this is like the true form of

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01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:35,840
Speaker 2: this human the seemingly human leader of the gang. At

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01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 2: any rate, he is this is what he sees. He

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01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:42,800
Speaker 2: sees this fiery devil from hell up here on the

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01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 2: top of this modern structure, and they engage in a

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01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:48,760
Speaker 2: big fight with the devil. The devil like picks up

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01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 2: Jose Maria and like holds him in the air, and

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01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 2: Jose Maria is laughing. Again. The special effects here are great.

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Speaker 3: That's right, And so he Jose Maria is laughing, is

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01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:01,840
Speaker 3: laughing even as he meets his end at the face

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01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 3: of the devils. The devil kills him, he throws him

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01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 3: off the tower to his death. But then the priest

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01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:10,759
Speaker 3: actually does get to fight and do violence against the devil.

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01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 3: He ends up arming himself and fighting and killing what

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01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:17,040
Speaker 3: it first looks like the devil to him. And I

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01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 3: think we, as we've been saying, we never get a

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01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:22,479
Speaker 3: clear answer of exactly what's going on here, but he

1378
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:26,759
Speaker 3: certainly fights off and shoots some members of the Cleanup

1379
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 3: Madrid Gang and seemingly shoots the Devil, though that might

1380
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:33,600
Speaker 3: also just be another one of them that he's hallucinating.

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01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:37,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Again, we never get a clear answer on this,

1382
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:41,519
Speaker 2: Like if the Cleanup Madrid Gang actually are agents of

1383
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:47,720
Speaker 2: a supernatural satan, like literally agents serving the Devil, then

1384
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 2: then they manage to defeat their own ends through their

1385
01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:56,040
Speaker 2: the murderous expression of their xenophobiaan hatred when they kill

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01:15:56,080 --> 01:16:00,439
Speaker 2: the unhused people that have the baby that is perhaps

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01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:01,680
Speaker 2: the Antichrist.

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01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:04,519
Speaker 3: That was one way I thought you could read it.

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01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:06,960
Speaker 3: But then again I was thinking about it, and I

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01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 3: was like, is there anything to indicate that the baby

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01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 3: there was actually the Antichrist? I think because when I

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01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:20,479
Speaker 3: was thinking about it, it actually seems that maybe the

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01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 3: revelation at the end of the film was that the

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01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:28,320
Speaker 3: birth of the Antichrist was never actually referring to the

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01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 3: birth of a baby, And as with lots of other

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01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 3: things in the story, the priest Angel was misled because

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01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:40,800
Speaker 3: he was thinking too literally and too much on the

1398
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:44,479
Speaker 3: surface level reading of this statement about the birth of

1399
01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 3: the Antichrist, when in fact the Antichrist was not a

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01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:52,320
Speaker 3: baby being born, but a spirit, a mentality being born

1401
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:57,080
Speaker 3: or becoming ascendant, and that mentality is embodied in Limpia Madrid.

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01:16:57,560 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 3: Its ascendancy would be the ultimate at sacrilege and the

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01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 3: end of the world, the ultimate inversion of all good.

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01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:07,519
Speaker 2: Yeah. I like that interpretation. It's kind of like a

1405
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 2: nice sort of middle space between just the ideas of

1406
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 2: supernatural evil is real or he's just diluted and has

1407
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:19,679
Speaker 2: just gone on this adventure of seeking the devil where

1408
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:24,200
Speaker 2: the devil is not, but also encountering true mundane evil

1409
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:28,880
Speaker 2: and managing to defeat agents of mundane evil in the

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01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:29,840
Speaker 2: final showdown here.

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01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, what is clear that is that the death

1412
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:36,960
Speaker 3: of Jose is not a that's not a hallucination. That

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01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:39,960
Speaker 3: did really happen. So unfortunately their friend is dead and

1414
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:44,240
Speaker 3: they're very sad about this. But despite Professor Kavaan is

1415
01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:47,200
Speaker 3: badly beaten and burned in this attack, but he does survive.

1416
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 3: He's saved by the priest at the end. And so

1417
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:52,120
Speaker 3: at the end, these two of the two of the

1418
01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:55,559
Speaker 3: Wise Men are the ones who are left, and we

1419
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:59,640
Speaker 3: see them in a park together. They are now unhoused drifters,

1420
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:03,240
Speaker 3: hanging out on a park bench watching a TV set

1421
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:05,920
Speaker 3: which is playing the New Professor Kevan Show, where a

1422
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:08,680
Speaker 3: different guy has taken over the show. It was like

1423
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 3: giving a message. He's like to the old Professor Kavan,

1424
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:13,480
Speaker 3: wherever you are, we send you our applause.

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01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:17,439
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, an interesting detail like yeah Kevan is gone,

1426
01:18:17,439 --> 01:18:23,439
Speaker 2: but he's just replaced like that. The the public's hunger

1427
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:27,760
Speaker 2: for superstitious nonsense, it is too great, Like Kevan going

1428
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:30,360
Speaker 2: away doesn't stop it. Well, just someone else will fill

1429
01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:34,880
Speaker 2: that space and fill that hunger. And yeah, they're just

1430
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:38,920
Speaker 2: they're seemingly just on the street at this point, believing

1431
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:43,759
Speaker 2: that they have secretly and I guess in varying degrees humbly,

1432
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:46,559
Speaker 2: having saved the world from the Antichrist and they'll never

1433
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:50,760
Speaker 2: receive any credit for it. Uh. And this last scene too,

1434
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:53,759
Speaker 2: we end up like panning up to see the final shot.

1435
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:56,599
Speaker 2: Here in this we see that it's in a park

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01:18:56,720 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 2: in Madrid, and there is this fountain with this fabulous

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01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 2: sculpture of a fallen angel. This is I had to

1438
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:06,839
Speaker 2: look it up. This is the fountain of the Fallen

1439
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:13,280
Speaker 2: Angel in Retiro Park in Madrid. Beautiful haunting and then

1440
01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:16,759
Speaker 2: its presentation. I also read on Wikipedia that it stands

1441
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:21,600
Speaker 2: at six hundred and sixty six meters above sea level. Really,

1442
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 2: this fact did not appear to be very well sourced

1443
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:27,679
Speaker 2: on Wikipedia when I referenced it, but I did note

1444
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:30,479
Speaker 2: elsewhere that Madrid on the whole is like six hundred

1445
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:33,680
Speaker 2: and fifty meters above sea level, so close enough. I'm

1446
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:35,320
Speaker 2: buying it. I'm going to buy into it.

1447
01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:39,120
Speaker 3: Okay, you could say it's six sixty six meters above

1448
01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:41,719
Speaker 3: sea level plus or minus ten meters maybe.

1449
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:43,800
Speaker 2: At some point, yes, I don't have to be I

1450
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:45,920
Speaker 2: didn't have time to really go in depth on this.

1451
01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:49,719
Speaker 2: It's entirely possible that this does factor into the design,

1452
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:52,360
Speaker 2: but I don't know. At any rate. It's a beautiful

1453
01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:53,719
Speaker 2: closing shot for the picture.

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01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:56,400
Speaker 3: So that's Stay of the Beast.

1455
01:19:55,920 --> 01:20:00,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, good pick, Rob and total thing. Yeah. Great Filmultimately

1456
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:05,960
Speaker 2: far more hilarious and thought provoking than I anticipated. This

1457
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:08,960
Speaker 2: one's really stuck with me, and I think I'll also

1458
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:13,320
Speaker 2: have to return to this again in Christmases of the future.

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01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:15,679
Speaker 3: No doubt, though. I think on Christmas Day this year,

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01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:17,840
Speaker 3: I'm going to have to go with some of the

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01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:20,880
Speaker 3: other the director's other work. I'm gonna watch Mutant Action

1462
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 3: or maybe I'll play Marbella Wece if I can find

1463
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 3: an emulator that.

1464
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:28,160
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, yeah, I know, you can pull up on YouTube.

1465
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:31,160
Speaker 2: You can pull up just the cinematic sequences from it.

1466
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:33,960
Speaker 2: So if anyone really wants to dive into it, I

1467
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:37,639
Speaker 2: believe the material is out there all right. So there

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01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:41,120
Speaker 2: you have it. Happy Holidays. We may be doing I'm

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01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:44,320
Speaker 2: not sure yet. We may be doing at least one

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01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:47,839
Speaker 2: more holiday film in the next couple of weeks. We'll see.

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Speaker 2: There's a limited window here, but if you have recommendations,

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01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:54,320
Speaker 2: write in. We'd love to hear from you. In general,

1473
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:56,240
Speaker 2: will remind you that Stuff to Blow Your Mind is

1474
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:58,640
Speaker 2: primarily a science and culture podcasts with core episodes on

1475
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:01,679
Speaker 2: Tuesdays and Thursdays, but on Fridays we set aside most

1476
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:03,880
Speaker 2: serious concerns to just talk about a weird film here

1477
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 2: on Weird House Cinema, and certainly write in if you

1478
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:09,800
Speaker 2: have thoughts on the Day of the Beast or any

1479
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:13,040
Speaker 2: other films from the various filmmakers involved in this production.

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01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:17,360
Speaker 3: Huge thanks as always to our excellent audio producer JJ Posway.

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01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:21,519
Speaker 3: with feedback on this episode or any other, to suggest

1483
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:23,519
Speaker 3: a topic for the future, or just to say hello,

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01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:26,519
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01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:34,519
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