1 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: Hey there, everybody, and welcome to another edition of the 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:10,960 Speaker 1: Dave Pash Podcast. I'm your host Arizona Cardinals, an ESPN 3 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: play by play announcer Dave Pash. My guest this week 4 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 1: is CBS broadcaster Charles Davis, who is simply one of 5 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: the best in the biz, and he's also one of 6 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 1: the best guys in the business. Saw Charles as he 7 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: was calling the Titans Cardinals preseason game for Tennessee Television 8 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: and always good to catch up with him. One of 9 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: the friendliest people in our business, so good at what 10 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: he does, whether it was calling college games for all 11 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: those years at Fox, calling NFL at Fox, are now 12 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: at CBS. With his broadcast partner Ian Eagle, We'll talk Cardinals, 13 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: We'll talk NFC West, We'll talk about other teams that 14 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 1: maybe under the radar that Charles has his ion potentially 15 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: to make the Super Bowl. So the Cardinals are as 16 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: good as shape as anyone. To me, it all comes 17 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: down to one thing. 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Like I've had other former 33 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: coaches and former players coming into our business and say, Man, 34 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: there are more egos in this business than they weren't 35 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: football or basketball. You're one guy that has no ego 36 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: and you work with Iron Ego on CBS. And I've 37 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 1: known Iron for thirty years. He was a big help 38 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: to me when I was coming out of college. Still 39 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 1: is a big help to me. Yeah. But the two 40 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: of you guys are two of the nicest guys in 41 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: this business. So you've been working together for a couple 42 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: of years. Do you ever argue? Do you agree on everything? 43 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: You guys must be the best announced team to be around. Oh, 44 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: you're awfully kime first and foremost, Dave. That's very nice 45 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: of you to say. It's greatly appreciated. Second, anyone who 46 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: really knows me knows I do have an ego, and 47 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: plenty of it. Okay. I mean, let's face it, if 48 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: we're in this business, every one of us does to 49 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: some extent because we know what it's like and the 50 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:48,839 Speaker 1: willingness to put yourself out there and the whole thing 51 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: and to believe that, Yeah, what I'm doing is pretty 52 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 1: darn good. Yeah, we all have it. My thing, I 53 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: think is learning along the way and coming up the 54 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: way that I've had to come up. I have more 55 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 1: to prove all the time, Dave. So I'm not one 56 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: that has a resume that just sings out at you. 57 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 1: You know, I wasn't an All American, I wasn't an 58 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: All pro I wasn't a Coach of the Year. I 59 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: wasn't all those things. So I have to keep working 60 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: to prove. So no no way, shape or form can 61 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: I jump into the front of the line and go 62 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: look at me and do jazz hands. It just doesn't 63 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 1: work that way. He's unbelievable, isn't he. I mean, as 64 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: you mentioned, he helped you, he helps me all the time. 65 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: There's things we disagree about, but I don't I'd be 66 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:32,959 Speaker 1: stunned to find out if we had this question ten 67 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: years down the road, that he and I ever had 68 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: cross words. I mean, it's just he's so good and 69 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: so brilliant and so smart. I'm very, very happy to 70 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: follow his lead, and at the same time, when I 71 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: have something to offer, he considers it, you know. I mean, 72 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: he's everything is legit, and if we decide not to 73 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: do something, there's always a valid reason for it. So 74 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: I don't spend any time going I can't believe he 75 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: didn't want to do my idea. I mean, every idea 76 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: I have isn't brilliant. I like to thank you this, 77 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: but you mentioned I mean, you remind me in some 78 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: ways of Kirk Herbstreet, who you know, didn't have this 79 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: tremendous resume in terms of being a player that you 80 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: know won multiple national championships or an All American or 81 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: a pro bowler, yet here the two of you guys 82 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 1: are among the top analysts in the world. And take 83 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 1: me through because you did such a great job at 84 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: Fox for so long, whether it was with Gus Johnson 85 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: or Kevin Burkhardt, and then you get the number two 86 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: gig at CBS, which includes a playoff game. Take me 87 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: through the decision Charles to leave Fox where you'd been 88 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 1: for a long time and go to CBS. Well, you 89 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 1: know that again, I really really appreciate that. And we 90 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: know how you know terriffic Kirk is. I mean, look 91 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: at him east top of the food chain in terms of, 92 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: you know, the respect, the analysis. Plus he's an incredible worker. 93 00:04:57,680 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: I mean, how many jobs does that man have? I mean, 94 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 1: just waking up in the morning, I'm tired of thinking 95 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 1: about what kirk schedule is going to be this fall, 96 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:07,359 Speaker 1: and that he's edited Amazon and everything else. And you know, 97 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: I always always would tease it before. Now we made 98 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: that similar resumes if you know what one for you 99 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 1: hear you played quarterback at Ohio State. Okay, at the 100 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 1: end of the day, that does not hurt. But when 101 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: you go behind things, as you've alluded to, and I'll 102 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 1: stop here on Kirk after this and move on. He 103 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: had to wait his turn there, right, If I remember correctly, 104 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: I think he was a fifth year, first year starter 105 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 1: and captain to the team. So the respect level was 106 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 1: there because he waited his turn in terms of hey, 107 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: i went out the starter, but I'm still a great 108 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 1: practice player, I'm still a great teammate. I'm still ready 109 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: if they need me. And then when it was his turn, 110 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: he produced in a big way. But think about nowadays, Dave, 111 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: and again, I'm not lasting anyone because when I was 112 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: a freshman at Tennessee, I was very unhappy my first investor. 113 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 1: I thought about transferring too. So I get it when 114 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: people want to move if. I don't think there's any 115 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: denying that the movement now is well beyond anything we've 116 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: seen before. Kirch in this day and age may he 117 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: may not have stated how he might have found another place, 118 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: but he did find this his niche there, but he 119 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 1: understands what the grind is. He understands the effort you 120 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: have to put in. He also understands the word patience. 121 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,919 Speaker 1: So I've been fortunate. I've sit next to some really 122 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: great people. As you've mentioned, you know from from from 123 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 1: Dick Stockton helping room me Tom Brennaman. Before that you 124 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: mentioned Kevin Now of course the Iron I hope. I'm 125 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: not leaving any one out. I will say this, Kenny Albert, 126 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 1: who would jump in during baseball season, brilliant guy. I've 127 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: been lucky, you know, Sam Rosen, all those things kicking in. 128 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: I'm fortunate. Here's the deal. My time there between college 129 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: football and NFL football. At a certain point it gat 130 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: to where I sit, got to you know, there there 131 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: was conversation that I wasn't quote unquote privy too, but 132 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 1: I had understood, hey, you know, somebody else may be 133 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: coming in. This may be happening. But as I said then, 134 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: it made sense because my contract was coming up. CBS 135 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: was interested in me, and as I tell everybody, without 136 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: diving too deep at all, that it just made sense 137 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: for me to be where I am now, which is 138 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: a CPS and I consider myself grateful that they would 139 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: want me to join their team. Well, you and I 140 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: are great together, and you guys are going to be 141 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: a great team for a long time. You called the 142 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: game Sunday for CBS, the Steelers game, but then on Saturday, 143 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: prior to that, you did our game against the Titans, 144 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: for a yeah, it was. It was great catching up man. 145 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: So it's in a way kind of a difficult question 146 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: to ask for your thoughts on the Cardinals because nobody played. 147 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: But what did you think based on what you saw? Well, 148 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: it's it's you're right. I mean, if we're taking off 149 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: the snapshot of what we saw, you and I can 150 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: neither one of us could venture anything. And you're closer 151 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: to the team than I am. Right. I mean around 152 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: the league, if you ask teams, ask any anyone who 153 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: watches their team, Hey, which take th team? I don't know. 154 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: None of the guys play. I mean Pittsburgh against Detroit 155 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: played guys a lot longer in Game three than than 156 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: I would have expected. Nag Harris, there's running back played 157 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: the entire first half. I think the whole entire starting 158 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: offense played the first half. T J. Watt played the 159 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: first half. I mean, it was you're iway sitting there 160 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: going wow, this is not normal in this day and age. 161 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: But that's how the Steelers do it. And I'd say 162 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: Mike thomas track record is pretty good on it. For 163 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: the Cardinals, I had to take them an aggregate, Dave, 164 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: and this is a good football team. We know it's 165 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 1: a good football team. They were in the playoffs last year. 166 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: Did they lose anything anyone? You know that makes the 167 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,559 Speaker 1: appreciable difference. Well, you're always wondering if this guy's gone, 168 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: will not change things with that guy. But I feel 169 00:08:55,960 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: like they have such a good core roster and she's 170 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: not worried as much about that other people up to 171 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: plug in play. That happens everywhere around the league. So 172 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: the Cardinals are as good as shape as anyone. To me, 173 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: it all comes down to one thing, Kyler Murray Cliff 174 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: Kingsbury that can them. Both of them to me, have 175 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 1: to find a way to a long bring the rest 176 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: of the team a law that the second half of 177 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: the season is exciting and winning as the first half. 178 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 1: And that may sound trite, but I don't know that 179 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: there's anything else left for this Cardinals team to prove 180 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 1: they're good. They wouldn't the playoffs last year day and 181 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: you watch them, please tell me if I'm wrong. But 182 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: the previous two seasons, there were opportunities to make the 183 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: playoffs in those seasons, but they couldn't close it the 184 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: on the second half of the year. This past year 185 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: they sprinted out so far ahead that when they did 186 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: hit bumps in the second half year, they could weather them. 187 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: But they weren't good going into the playoffs, and then 188 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:03,439 Speaker 1: they didn't well in the playoffs. And look, Cliff Kingsbury 189 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: has exceeded what many would have thought when he was 190 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: named head coach. Why well, look at the resume coming 191 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 1: in Texas Tech. Losing record overall second half of any 192 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 1: season in Texas Tech, never a winning record. It was 193 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 1: gonna be the offin's coordinate at USC all of sudden 194 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: head coaching have what just happened here? But he's proven 195 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: his metal in terms of adapting, putting together a heck 196 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: of a product, getting better every year on the field, 197 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: and then getting to the playoffs last year. But that 198 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: does go with him. The second part is Kylin Murray. 199 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: We went through the entire offseason with the Kylin Murray 200 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: drama of this is that and everything. But as he 201 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:47,559 Speaker 1: talented beyond belief, there's times I have to believe, Dave, 202 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: when you're watching pleasures like did I just describe that? 203 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 1: Because when we call games, I mean I am called 204 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: the Hill Murray. I mean, so we've seen it. But 205 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: now is he that guy going to move this team 206 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: ahead and make that type of progress that they have 207 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: to have in order to go deeper into the playoffs 208 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: to be a factor, because it's all on him now. 209 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: Every move has made in the offseason, every move has 210 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: made in the preseason, in my mind, has been a 211 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: reflection of management saying, give Kyler what he wants or 212 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,319 Speaker 1: what we believe he needs to make us better. That's 213 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: my own estimation of it. I want to get back 214 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: to Kyler, but you mentioned Cliff, and I've had to 215 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:29,839 Speaker 1: remind people that are cardinal fans of this. Often in 216 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: today's NFL head coaching hires are as much about ability 217 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: to develop and get the most out of the quarterback 218 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: position as we've ever seen it. It's not necessarily about 219 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: being CEO managing the whole organization. It's about that relationship 220 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,839 Speaker 1: with the quarterback. And you think about who Cliff worked with, 221 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: and the problem is, other than Mike Evans, he didn't 222 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: have a lot to work with for his quarterbacks, but 223 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: he had case Keenum Baker Mayfield, Patrick Mahomes, Johnny Manziel 224 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: the year he won the Heisman, and now La Murray. 225 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: And he deserves credit for helping all of those guys 226 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: along the way. I'm curious if have you noticed any 227 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: changes in the way Cliff has approached things, because we 228 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: have here in terms of I think the biggest thing 229 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: that stands out to me, obviously I'm close to it, 230 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: so we see it every day is I think Cliff's 231 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 1: he's such a humble guy and just a good dude 232 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: that I think initially he didn't want to step on 233 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: anybody's toes. He heard exactly what you were talking about, 234 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: people saying, oh, why does he have this job? So 235 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: I think he wanted to make sure that he didn't 236 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: step on anybody's toes. And now that he's more comfortable, 237 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: he's one, he has proven himself at this level. I 238 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: think we're seeing more of who Cliff really is. He's 239 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 1: a lot more comfortable with the media. We saw an 240 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,559 Speaker 1: edge last year with officials. I think that's really who 241 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: Cliff is. So I'm curious if you've seen other things 242 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 1: or heard other things about how he's grown and changed 243 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,719 Speaker 1: over the last few years. Dave, I think that's a 244 00:12:54,800 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 1: great synopsis on it on Cliff, because the back round 245 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: on and you know, some people may not be aware 246 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 1: of Cliff comes out of this like so many others. 247 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: He's the son of a coach too, raised in the game, 248 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: cerebral quarterback who produced at a big time level of 249 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: college football, had the cup of coffee in the NFL, 250 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: was never a threat to be a starter, but a 251 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: guy that you liked having on the roster was going 252 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: to know your playbook, was gonna work hard, all those things. 253 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: So he didn't just take in quarterback play along the 254 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: way he took in coaching one oh one, relationships, all 255 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,959 Speaker 1: of that. So go back, and I agree with your 256 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: point of getting the job hearing oh my god, who hired? 257 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: What are you kidding me? And feeling it from the 258 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: peers and that are in the business. You and I 259 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: understand that, Dave, because when we're getting it, if we 260 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:47,839 Speaker 1: get a certain job, we may get congratulations, not all 261 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: of them our heartfelt now, because that's just the way 262 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: we are. Because some people are like, how do you 263 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 1: get that job? Right now? The truth of the matter 264 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: is you and I both privately have said the same 265 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 1: things ourselves, how big get that job? And that's just 266 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: the way. No, no, never, never, never never, Well, okay, 267 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: let me but what the funny part is, you know, 268 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: Clifford had to go through that, so I think you're 269 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: spot on with that one. But now he's been through 270 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: the fire, he's done these things, and I think that 271 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: and what I've heard is more time with other positions, 272 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: even though he's still running the offense. More time with 273 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: those other coaches. In the beginning, hey, I'm counting on 274 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: you to like you be the CEO of defense or whatever, 275 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: that sort of a deal. Still that's there, But now 276 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think he's shy about offering 277 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: an opinion about what he's seeing, how it's being coached, 278 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: what's going on out there, And people keep forgetting just 279 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: because you coach one side of the ball more exclusively 280 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: than the other doesn't mean you don't know what's going 281 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: on on the other side. In fact, your experiences on 282 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: that side of the ball can help you and help 283 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: your other side of the ball get better. If you're 284 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: a defensive coach, you're going to sit with your offense 285 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: Cordner and tell him, Hey, this is what i'm seeing 286 00:14:57,960 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: from your crew, and this is how I would stop you. 287 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: This is what I want to do. If you're an 288 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: offensive coach going to the d coordinay, Hey, these types 289 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: of things that I'm running or I'm seeing, or what 290 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: I suspect they're going to do with you, And this 291 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: is how I think they're going to attack you use 292 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: those eyes to help that go on. And so I 293 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: think he's gotten to that stage, and I think it 294 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: burns him to know that that records out there the 295 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: second half of a year and trying to figure it 296 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: out to where they find where they finished strong and 297 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: they got into the playoffs and have an opportunity to 298 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: win some playoff teams and go deeper. That's the next 299 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: goal for him, and he's a competitor throwing through. He's 300 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: not taking that lightly, and I think he's going to 301 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: try and attack that as well. And obviously the team 302 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: has to produce. But Dave, imagine if if that's what 303 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: you're hearing everywhere you go, and the problem is, it 304 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: isn't what'sit deal. This isn't one where we're just talking 305 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: about it. We can point to actual numbers and say, okay, 306 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: here they are. How do you fix that? You've known 307 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: Charles and covered Kyler Murray going back to even when 308 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: he was at Texas A and M before he went 309 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: to Oklahoma and won the Heisman Trophy and then was 310 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: the number one overall pick in the draft. You know 311 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: the family he played against his dad. I think you 312 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: guys were in college at the same time play against him, 313 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: but we were the same time frame. And this is 314 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: how old I am. I called a bunch of Cliffs 315 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: games at College of Texas Tech, So I'm an old dude. 316 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: You've been doing this a long time and at a 317 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: high level. So, but what's your assessment of Kyler's ceiling 318 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: Because you talked about it and you witnessed the game 319 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: against Buffalo a couple of years ago. I mean, he 320 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: can he can do that now, I mean the crazy, 321 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: the unimaginable, he can do that. The question ever on 322 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: everybody's mind here is, you know, can he do it consistently? 323 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: Can he deliver not just in one big game, but 324 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: in a series of big games to get you to 325 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: a championship. Look, you said something that I've really latched onto, 326 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: and you talked about how Cliff has coached all these 327 00:16:55,440 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: quarterbacks and helped make them better. And what I always 328 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: talk about is to me, and you call a lot 329 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: of college football too, So please tell me if you 330 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: sink something different. I don't believe the game of football 331 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: is as quarterback centric as it is right now, like 332 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: it's never been this quarterback centric. I grew up in 333 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 1: an era where you could actually play around your quarterback 334 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: by how the game was played. If you had that, 335 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: that that horrible expression of game manager. See to me, 336 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: a game manager is Tom Brady, is Peyton Manning, It's 337 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 1: it's Drew Prize, it's you know, Patrick Walls. The guys 338 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 1: at the top of the food chain manage the game 339 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: better than anyone. But I know the way that we 340 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: use it popularly as game managers. Guy who is not 341 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: quite the guy that you point to hopefully won't get you, 342 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: be hopefull he'll make the right decisions. All of that. 343 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: I could open era when you could do that with 344 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: your quarterback and still win championships. I don't think you 345 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 1: can do that now. I think your quarterback has to 346 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: be that person everything runs through. You're too big, the 347 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: the the Baltimore Ravens defense that carried him to a 348 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: Super Bowl, and everyone talks about that. No. My reminder 349 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 1: is Dave Trent Dilfer was a first round pickular quarterback, right, 350 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: so I know you're ripping him, But at the same time, 351 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 1: It's not like he didn't have talent. Was it a 352 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 1: weird year? Yeah, they went to the entire bunth of 353 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: October Then's quote off as a touchdown and won a 354 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. So yes, that defense was predominant. But there's 355 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: less and less where one side of the ball, meaning 356 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 1: defense in art this case carries you that far. At 357 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: some point your quarterbacks gotta be able to make plays. 358 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: To me, there is no ceiling with Kyler Murray, now 359 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: that we've broken down the barrier about height and people 360 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: so concerned. This kid never was Paul Bunyan. He's always played, 361 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,439 Speaker 1: having to learn how to do that and to go 362 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: undefeated in high school, to go through some bumps in 363 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: college and come out the other side. You know, he 364 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 1: wasn't total silver spoon Texas A and M. It didn't 365 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: go so great as verse year. He and Kyle Allen 366 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: both transferred out. Then he goes and get shit behind 367 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: the Heisman Trophy winner in Mayfield longer than he thought. 368 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: Still managed to hang in there, win the Heisman. This 369 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: posun picking baseball, Dave, I don't think there's a ceiling. 370 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: I think there's nothing he can't do. He can be 371 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 1: that exciting the consistency is going to be the word 372 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: meaning to me down the stretch, bigger games, and can 373 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: he find ways to win when he doesn't have his 374 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: best stuff. It's like a great pitcher, you know, he 375 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: used to used to get in fifteen ten, you know, 376 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: ten twelve strikeouts the game. Now he doesn't have that. 377 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: But can he pitch his way and keep his team 378 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: in it? And all of a sudden go strikeouts turned 379 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 1: into the ground balls. Okay, he doesn't have his best stuff. 380 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: Instead of winning, you know, two to one, he finds 381 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: a way to hold him the four runs. His team 382 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 1: wins by four. Those are the times when you find 383 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: out about a quarterback. When you're seventeen to thirty eight 384 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: going into the fourth quarter and somehow in the last 385 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: drive you fashion it together and go six verse seven 386 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: and stick it in the end zone. That's when found 387 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: a quarterback. Not to days you're twenty eight at thirty one, 388 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: that's not when you find out who you are. And 389 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,360 Speaker 1: those are the things that we're looking for. I think 390 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: from a Kyler Murray was more than capable of doing 391 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 1: everything I mentioned and ends up and I couldn't agree 392 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 1: with you more about what you said about and the 393 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: Cardinals no that that's why they gave Kyle to the contract. 394 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:19,479 Speaker 1: The hope is that it works out great, but if 395 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: it doesn't, Okay, you had to. You had to. You're 396 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 1: in a position. We absolutely had to do that. And 397 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: definitely you know, the last two guests we had on 398 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: this podcast, we had Jason Light the Buccaneers GM think 399 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,400 Speaker 1: how his life is different with Tom Brady coming back 400 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: as opposed to not And Dabo Sweeney, who I just 401 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: had on the other day. You know, Clemson and made 402 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: the college football playoffs six straight years. They missed it 403 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 1: last year. Well, why well, the quarterback didn't play well. 404 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: And San Francisco clearly Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch feel, Okay, 405 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: Jimmy Gee, We've got a great defense, We've got Deebo 406 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,120 Speaker 1: Samuel who can do everything, but Jimmy just can't get 407 00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: us to that next level. They think Trey Lance Ken, 408 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: how much you've seen if Trey Lance I don't know 409 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: if you had San Francisco at all last year, but 410 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 1: do you think do you think Trey Lance in the 411 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: forty nine ers are a contender in the NFC West 412 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: and beyond. I think that they are. I did a 413 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 1: lot of work on him Dave prior to the draft. 414 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 1: I've not had him as a professional yet, but I 415 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 1: think that they are and should be because of what 416 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: we talked about a little bit, meaning that defense is 417 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: so good you don't want to waste it. And it's 418 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 1: a calculated gamble. Jimmy G's been to an NFC Championship 419 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: game and a Super Bowl. So if you're going to 420 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: turn your back on a guy who's gotten that far, 421 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: you got to have conviction that that did it's not 422 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 1: going to get better. And that's why Lance became the guy. 423 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 1: So you're saying, now, okay, we're bringing in the guy 424 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: whos gonna take us farther calculated gamble. The Rams did 425 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: that with Jared Goff, who had taken them to a 426 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: Super Bowl or have been a part of a Super 427 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: Bowl team. How for the Rams fans want to talk 428 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: about it. He was the quarterback and if they get 429 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: a catch in the end zone in the Super Bowl game, 430 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: the outcome might be different too. But they decided that 431 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: he was only going to take them so far. Calculated 432 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: gamble and if boy, it paid off, Matthew Stafford, they 433 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 1: get it. They want it. Class guitar dropped an interception. 434 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 1: We might have a different script going how big, but 435 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: the bottom line is it gets done. So now everybody's like, Okay, 436 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 1: maybe I'm bolder. Now I go for it. Lance's skills 437 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: are phenomenal. Oh, Dave, I don't know if you've seen 438 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: him in person. Yes, he played in one of the 439 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: games last year against the Cardinals. He played instead of 440 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:40,919 Speaker 1: Jimmy g Yeah, how gorgeous you to look at? Oh 441 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: my goodness, right, but remember one season at the one 442 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:49,479 Speaker 1: double a level, one game the next year, and then 443 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: essentially not much play since then. So you're counting on 444 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: him making a big leap in a short amount of time, 445 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 1: which is essentially kind of his rookie season playing hurt 446 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 1: last year. But I do think that they feel like 447 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 1: they can play around it a little bit. Kyle is 448 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: not averse to running the football, and they run it 449 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 1: quite well and let him get his sea legs and 450 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: then start expanding his plate as they go along. It 451 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 1: won't be easy, but they're taking that calculated gamble that 452 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: he can get them over the top when it comes time, 453 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 1: that he'll make those plays. And maybe they didn't get 454 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: before from Jimmy Garoppolo. It's an interesting fix, an interesting 455 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: situation in a day. You're good enough to get to 456 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl, almost won it, You're good enough get 457 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: to an NFC championship game, almost got to another super Bowl. 458 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: That's not good enough, and they move on. And we've 459 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: seen people do this throughout time, college programs that aren't great, 460 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 1: but somehow this coach is winning eight or nine a 461 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 1: year and they go, you know, we can win more 462 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: than eight or nine a year, and they fire that 463 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: coach and the next coach doesn't come close to win 464 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: an eight or nine. So it's a calculated gamble. It's 465 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 1: so hard to repeat too now in the NFL because 466 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks, there's so many great quarterbacks spread throughout the league. 467 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: And you know Matthew Stafford, who knows with the elbow situation, 468 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: if he's going to be one hundred percent at the 469 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 1: beginning of the year or maybe even throughout the year. 470 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: And the Rams, like you know, it came down to 471 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 1: the last game of the season. The Cardinals win that 472 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: game at home, the Rams are on the road. Maybe 473 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: they still make the Super Bowl and win it, but 474 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: it would have been a different path in terms of 475 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: locations of their games. It wasn't like they were a 476 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: great team all year. They got hot in the playoffs. 477 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 1: Do you see them legitimately being in the conversation in 478 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 1: the end to repeat this year? I do, And the 479 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:35,160 Speaker 1: reason is, and you framed it perfectly. I'm going with Okay, 480 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 1: let's say Matthew Stafford is more than healthy enough somehow 481 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: somewhere right they were past the elbow or is not 482 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: going to hinder him and he can play and all that, 483 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 1: I think they are. There's a confidence that goes with 484 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: doing what they did last year. There is a you 485 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 1: saw how guys and how they keep filling in different 486 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: people on the roster. We know about the f those 487 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: picks T shirt. The unwritten part of it is, yeah, 488 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: those I you did make those pretty darn good and 489 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: accounting on some of those guys to be even better 490 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: this year, like in Ernest Jones at linebacker, Well, I 491 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,880 Speaker 1: love coming out of South Carolina. Didn't get much burned 492 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 1: last year, but he's can be account out to be 493 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: a frontline guy and I think he can play to 494 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 1: that level. So those are the types of things you 495 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: see them developed well. With the Sean mcvayan crew. He 496 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: had a chance to do the introspection. He had a 497 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: chance to come over to the dark side with us, 498 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: right Dave big money too, Yep, and he realized that's 499 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 1: not who he is. He still burns to be a coach. 500 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: That speaks well for him. Aaron Donald's talking about for 501 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: the retiring what have you, Well, it certainly looks like 502 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: he's still firing. I'm not in favor of anyone swinging 503 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: helmet than anyone else. Believe me, if there was any 504 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: type of action taken, I would be applauding it. I 505 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: know that they're not, and they have to study that 506 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: in the future. But I'm feeling about Aaron Donald the 507 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: essence of wanting to be a great player, which he's 508 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: always been. I don't think that goes away. And I 509 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: just think that they still feel like there's more out there. 510 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 1: I say, you know, they want to be the next 511 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: Patriots who that that repeat. People haven't done that in 512 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: a long time, and I feel like they've got the 513 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: firepower to do it. Remember, they didn't get cam Akers 514 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 1: back till the end of the year last year, and 515 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 1: even then, you know, he had a good game against 516 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 1: you guys, But was he one hundred percent truly now, 517 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: so again you're projecting a little bit like, hey, if 518 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: we get all this back, we can be right in 519 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: the mix. And I think so. And is that, as 520 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: I said, that confidence that goes with it. Cincinnati was 521 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: ten and seven last year. None of us saw them 522 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: racing to the super Bowl, but they did. And now 523 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: they've got you know, Okay, here we go again. And 524 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you what the difference is is I 525 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: see a day between the two of them. They got 526 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: to the super Bowl. The Rams have been on the 527 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: scene for a while. This is not new. They'd already 528 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: been to one super Bowl with Sean mcback, so this 529 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 1: isn't new. Being the hunted for Cincinnati. I think you've 530 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: heard the same thing I've had when you talk with 531 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: other other franchises. Tell me if this is correct. Hey, 532 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 1: respect the heck adam great run last year. Let's see 533 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 1: how they handled now being a marquee team, right, yes, okay, 534 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 1: And it's not just being a marquee team where hey, 535 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: you went to the super Bowl circle on the calendar. Well, 536 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,959 Speaker 1: one organization pointed out. I said, Okay, if you are 537 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: a bad team, you play every week at noon or 538 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: one o'clock, right noon Central one o'clock Eastern, because no 539 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 1: one ispecially would be very good. When you are expected 540 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: to be a good team, your schedule is total flux. 541 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: One o'clock this week, Thursday night, Monday night, Sunday night, 542 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: short week, all of that because the good teams go, 543 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: oh yeah, by the way, don't feet four twenty five 544 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 1: get a lot of those slots too. So now you're 545 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 1: getting back later and you're doing things. That's when you 546 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,199 Speaker 1: find out you're a franchise. It endoors when you can 547 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: handle back year in and year out. The Rams have 548 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 1: been like that, you know, Kansas City has been like that, 549 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 1: Tampa's been like that. That's what Cincinnati's gonna face this year. 550 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,199 Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're not up for the challenge. They 551 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 1: very well could. But that's what people are wondering. Hey, 552 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 1: let's check it out and let's see the Cardinals play 553 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: Kansas City week one. Clearly, yeah, it is a great matchup. Clearly, 554 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: that game is on CBS. Clearly they're gonna be fired up. 555 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Tony will be all jacked up watching that. 556 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: They're gonna have a great time with that one. Do 557 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: you think Kansas City gets back to the top of 558 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: the Mountain. It just for whatever reason. I know, the 559 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 1: offensive line, you got to look at that. But it 560 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: just as great as Patrick Mahomes is. He had some 561 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 1: some moments that were very unlike him last year in 562 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: the playoffs. Do you do you see them getting back 563 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: though to the Super Bowl? I see I'm getting back 564 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: to being contenders in a big way. I really do, Dave, 565 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: and that you know the mum stop out with Mahomes. 566 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: For me, I'm a zero in on one particular one 567 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: second half against Cincinnati. I'm staying at home on the 568 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: couch watching the game, and you know it's easy hindsight 569 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, right, So I'm counting on you knowing me 570 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: that I'm going to tell you something that I would 571 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 1: go take a lot detector testock. Watching the second half 572 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: and a certain point in the second half, I said, oh, 573 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: this is the first time I've seen Patrick Mahomes play 574 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: not to lose instead of playing to win. He got tight. 575 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: Remember some of those throws. Those are so unlike Patrick Mahomes. 576 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: I thought, off my coach couch on the couple of us, 577 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: WHOA what happened there? He wanted to be so careful 578 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: and so precise with the ball as to not make 579 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: a mistake that it hindered him, it hindered their offense, 580 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,239 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, offense throttled down and here 581 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: came to Cincinnati. And the beauty is he actually has 582 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: said that himself. I thought with a headline where he said, 583 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: I'm the one who did it. He took it all 584 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: on his own shoulders. I'm the one who throttled us down. 585 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 1: I didn't make throws, I didn't stay free wheeling. That 586 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: doesn't mean reckless, but he said I didn't take the 587 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: shot that should have taken that we're there. I was 588 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: trying to make the safe play, and I heard our team. 589 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: How about that for mature. They also have trusted him 590 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 1: like you have trust like the league trusted a Brady, 591 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: like the league has trusted Aaron Rodgers. And might say 592 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 1: the league the Packers Tampa Bay before that New England 593 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 1: where they didn't spend a lot of draft capital on 594 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: the guys out of the perimeter to do they Green 595 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: Bay still has a drafted in the first round receivers 596 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: in two thousand and two. They count on that quarterback 597 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: bringing those guys along. That's what Kansas City told Patrick 598 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 1: Mahomes this offseason and canceled some OTAs and mini camps 599 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 1: and said, oh, Patrick's got the guys. Is this summer 600 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: with him, He'll take care of that. An inordinate amount 601 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: of trust in a youngster, But I think it's trust 602 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 1: well placed. I think that they have a good chance 603 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 1: to get back there. They built up things on defense. 604 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: They were hurt a lot on defense to begin last year. 605 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 1: It took a while to jail. I think Spags what 606 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: he does, the Spagnola does a great job on that 607 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 1: side of the ball. I think Patrick Mahomes would bring 608 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: along these guys on offense, but boy would have division 609 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: they're in now. This is no longer Kansas City and 610 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: Chase Denver is going to be better with Russell Wilson. 611 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 1: That Herbert and the Chargers should have gotten to the 612 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: playoffs last year, and the Raiders did get to the 613 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: playoffs and not. Josh McDaniels is in Downiso, Davante Adams. 614 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: The AFC West is gonna be a fun one to watch. 615 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: Last one, Charles, and we'll get you out of here. 616 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: You mentioned Cincinnati. There were a team that nobody saw 617 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: making the Super Bowl, and I don't know as good 618 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: as Joe Burrow was in college. If anybody saw, especially 619 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: after that injury, him being this good this quickly. Who 620 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: are some teams that because in the NFL year to 621 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: year things change. You've got teams at the beginning of 622 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: the year you think are going to be Super Bowl 623 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 1: contenders that have terrible seasons, and other teams that were 624 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: bad last year that end up being great. Who are 625 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: some teams that are under the radar right now that 626 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 1: in your mind will be either playoff teams or in 627 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: contention at the end of the year. AFC East, I'd 628 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 1: go right to Miami. I think Brian Flores included a 629 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: great job with infrastructure. Mike McDaniel think is going to 630 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: profit from that. Two of goes into a season not 631 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 1: rehabbing but ready to play. You get Tyree Hill and 632 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: the under understated part of that defense stayed intact, including coaches, 633 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 1: and they were good on that side of the ball. 634 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: So I'd keep a real strong an eye on them. 635 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: I think that in the AFC North, if Lamar has 636 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: helped the all year long, Baltimore was six and two 637 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: mary and they still missed the playoffs just by one game. 638 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: Last year. Struggling, they've they've refurbished and replenished. Their draft 639 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: was terrific. I keep a big eye on Baltimore and 640 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: the NFC North. If I go over to the NFC, 641 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 1: I think Philadelphia's ascending. I think that Nick Siriani is 642 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: the head coaches settled in quite well. Was gone from 643 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: being ridiculed about his Flower analogy, which actually worked quite 644 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: well with that team to get to a playoffs ahead 645 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 1: of schedule. And it may be a referend to mint 646 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts as a quarterback, but boy did they surround 647 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: him with talent, including a J. Brown coming over from Tennessee. 648 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: I keep a really good eye on them. I saw 649 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: the Titans in preseason. I liked that franchise. I think 650 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: Mike Rabels one top five coaches in the league. This 651 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: guy is on point. Everything has instant respect from his team. 652 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 1: And let's face it, day we have the twelve and five. 653 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: Last year, Dave and played ninety one players, the most 654 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: ever in NFL history, and somehow we're twelve and five. Yes, Internet, 655 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: gall I'm in the playoffs. That's a good franchise, that's 656 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 1: a good team. But those are a few that just 657 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: catch my eye off the top and I want to 658 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 1: just talk to your off and go to a team 659 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 1: by team, but those are some of the ones. And 660 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: obviously your Cardinals team is always going to be a story. 661 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: And if you come out of that first one with 662 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 1: Kansas City and the home, I mean, Murray kind of 663 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: outduels the Homes quote unquote, even though it doesn't totally 664 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: come down to that, you're off and running. But I 665 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 1: think the whole league is just waiting for Okay, we 666 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,719 Speaker 1: want to see the Cardinals November December. That's when they 667 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: have That's when they have to really prove themselves. That's 668 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 1: when everyone will believe, and I think this team is 669 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 1: more than capable of doing it. Charles, this was great. 670 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 1: You're one of the best in the biz. I really 671 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: appreciate the time. Have a great season. Hopefully we'll see 672 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: at some point, I certainly hope. So you two, Dave, 673 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: and please be safe out there to travel. You do 674 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: you know to put in the excellent work that you do. 675 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 1: My goodness, I'm always like David's where and then He's 676 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 1: where each and every week you in your travel, but 677 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,240 Speaker 1: make sure you tell all your teams and your squads 678 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: in your group that you work with. Hello, for me. 679 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: You got some really neat people that are around you, 680 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 1: but you are simply one of the best, not to mention, 681 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: nicer than me and I combine, all right, Charles, I 682 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Man, have a good one. You're the best day. 683 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: Take care of Charles never shy to tell you what 684 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,720 Speaker 1: he really thinks. And he's bush on the Cardinals, of course, 685 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: like everybody, waiting to see if they can finish what 686 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 1: they started. They haven't done that the last two years. 687 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: But he's very confident in Kyler Murray and Cliff Kingsbury 688 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,799 Speaker 1: is a duo being in the playoff picture. But Charles 689 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,399 Speaker 1: is also high on the other teams in the nf West. 690 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: Despite the quarterback change in San Francisco and some questions 691 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: about the health of Matthew Stafford and the difficulty of 692 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 1: trying to repeat this day and age as a Super 693 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 1: Bowl champion, Charles is still pretty high on the ramp. 694 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 1: So it's gonna be a difficult schedule for the Cardinals, 695 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 1: starting Week one against the Kansas City Chiefs, a game 696 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 1: that will be on CBS. And you heard Charles mentioned 697 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,839 Speaker 1: that Jim Nanson, Tony Romo, the eighteam for CBS, will 698 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 1: be on that called. Charles will handle the Steelers. He 699 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 1: works with the Iron Eagle on the number two CBS 700 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: broadcast team. He'll be on the Steelers telecast the first 701 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 1: two weeks, but hopefully we'll see Charles at some point 702 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,800 Speaker 1: during the season. We are presented by bet MGM, the 703 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,839 Speaker 1: official sports betting partner of the Arizona Cardinals, and by 704 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,360 Speaker 1: Hila River Hotels and Casinos. You can follow us on 705 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 1: Twitter at pashpod. Go to your podcast platform and tell 706 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,320 Speaker 1: us what you think. I've noticed as I've gone on 707 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,400 Speaker 1: iTunes where I listen to podcasts, that you have some 708 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 1: thoughts on the Day Pash Podcast. We want to hear more. 709 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 1: What do you like? What do you not like? Who 710 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,120 Speaker 1: are some of the guests that you've really enjoyed. Who 711 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,800 Speaker 1: are some future guests you'd like to see on the 712 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 1: Dave Pash Podcast. Please go tell us would you think? 713 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 1: Thanks again to CBS is Charles Davis, and thanks to 714 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 1: you for listening to another edition of the Dave Pash Podcast.