WEBVTT - Laura Marano 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:03.840 Hello everyone, and welcome to another episode of Inside the 0:00:03.880 --> 0:00:06.960 Studio on iHeart Radio. My name is Jordan Runt Tug, 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:10.400 but enough about me. You were probably first introduced to 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:12.920 my guests today when she played Ali Dawson on the 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:16.480 Disney Channel series Austin and Ali. Since then, her career 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:19.360 a sword across every medium. She started in the hit 0:00:19.480 --> 0:00:22.880 Netflix movie The Perfect Date and recently co starred alongside 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:25.560 Robert de Niro in the War with Grandpa. And then, 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:27.400 of course, she's making a name for herself in the 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:31.560 musical world since she's released a pair of EPs, the 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:34.800 first Called Me and the most recent Called You, their 0:00:34.840 --> 0:00:39.560 companion pieces, two sides of the same story, a tumultuous relationship. 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:42.640 The music came at a crossroads in her life, yielding 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:46.680 deeply heartfelt, introspective songs like Can't Hold On Forever and 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:50.000 something to Believe In. These days, she's revisiting tracks from 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:52.960 You in exciting new ways. In April, she released a 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:56.080 remix of Honest with You by Alex TBH, and a 0:00:56.080 --> 0:00:58.800 new version of her track Can't Help Myself is out now, 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:01.920 featuring a Little Help from Polios and a verse from 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:05.360 Gen Doe Calling from Australia, where she's filming a new movie. 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:08.880 I'm so thrilled to welcome Laura Morana. Oh, Jordan, I 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:11.559 absolute flusher. Thank you for having me so, because first off, 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:14.280 you've had two EPs in the last two years, Me 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:18.240 and and You last fall. What's the relationship between those 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:20.680 two EPs? How did they relate to one another? So 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:25.560 when I was getting ready to release Me, you know, 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:30.279 that started originally from me writing kind of the title 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:32.960 song off that EP, which is called Me talking about 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:34.880 the song at EP, they think you're talking about yourself, 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:37.640 but you know when I started, I feel like the 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:41.160 project really got going from writing that song. Though there 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:44.319 are other songs I wrote before that that definitely had 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:47.080 a place in this Me and You universe. But that's 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:48.640 when I was like, oh love that song. I love 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:51.760 that vibe. And you know, I kind of come from 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:55.440 two labels in a time in my life where I 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:57.800 was going through also a lot of kind of personal changes. 0:01:57.840 --> 0:01:59.880 You know, I was going through a breakup, it's kind 0:01:59.880 --> 0:02:01.760 of starting to fall in love again as well, and 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:06.640 so you know, from that whole experience came the EP ME. 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:09.919 But as I was writing for Me, it became very 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:13.000 clear that I had more of the story to tell, 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:15.640 and then I've wanted to kind of continue that story 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:19.519 in some way, and I right away sort of thinking 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:23.639 I'd love to release another EP called You, where it 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:25.880 feels like it's the other side of the story. It 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:28.920 feels like there's some songs or kind of sequels to 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:32.760 the other some songs are kind of another again aspect 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:36.760 of the story. You know, My favorite kind of comparison 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:38.760 to show is on the me E P I have 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:41.360 a song called Lye to Me, and on the UP 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:44.200 I have a song called Honest with You. So it's 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:48.240 a little bit from this theme of there's two sides 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:51.639 to every story. There's two you know, it takes two 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:55.760 people in a relationship, and so one person's perspective can 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:59.160 be very different from another person's perspective, can be similar, 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:02.760 can be related it. You know, I wanted to explore 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:06.280 those different ideas and kind of keep the story going. 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:08.600 And I knew that pretty immediately as I was working 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:10.760 on the P you mentioned Honest with You. That's that's 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:12.880 one of my favorite tracks on the new EP, honestly 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:15.720 being the most important thing in a relationship and it's 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:18.640 probably the scariest thing in a relationship. What is the 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:23.080 genesis of that song? Yes, totally, well, exactly that, right. 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:25.239 So it's so funny to me because lie to Me 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:27.520 and Honest with You are about the same person and 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:31.080 about the same situation. But in lie to Me, right, 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:33.840 it's an aspect of let's not get serious, let's just 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:36.880 like have fun in this moment, let's not worry about 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:39.280 the future, let's just be right here right now. Honest 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:42.520 with You is more serious. Honest with you is I 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:45.760 have been hurt before. It's so scary to be vulnerable, 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:48.160 but damn I want to take that next step and 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:50.800 be honest with you. My kind of favorite aspect of 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:54.600 that song is the question and almost the permission that 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:57.040 you're asking of the person of can I be honest 0:03:57.080 --> 0:03:59.480 with you? Can can I be honest in this moment? 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:01.520 You know both of are you ready to take that 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:04.560 next step? And also you know again that vulnerability of 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:07.320 are you going to hurt me? Like? Is are we 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:08.880 going to go there? And you know, of course no 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:12.280 one can ever answer that question truly, but when you're 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:14.800 going in the relationship. I don't think anyone goes into 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:17.320 a relationship being like I can't wait to get hurt 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:19.960 or I can't wait to hurt this person. But you know, 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:22.920 it's still when you take that step, it's so scary, 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:25.880 but there comes to be a point where it just 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:28.400 feels like the right thing to do. And so that 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:32.680 was my idea and kind of the genesis of that song. 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:36.159 You know, we Delacey and Edo are my coat writers 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:39.360 of that song. We were in you know, Edo's studio 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:43.440 in like Brooklyn, and we had already written kind of 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:46.400 two other songs, like the two days prior, and so 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:48.600 that song, Delacey and I had been kind of like 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:51.919 gushing and talking about our relationships and all of the 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:53.880 different things, and I was telling her how I was 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:56.600 just trying to see this person and getting really serious, 0:04:56.640 --> 0:04:59.160 and she was like, let's let's let's do this. Let's 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:02.000 let's go into that world. And one of my favorite 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:04.600 parts of Honest with You is that demo vocal that 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:07.400 we did in that kind of small studio in Brooklyn 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:10.080 is the vocal in the song. It just was so right, 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:12.520 it was so raw, and it felt like it needed 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:14.680 to be in the final version. It was so instant. 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:16.640 What was the studio in Brooklyn? That's where that's where 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:19.040 I live? Oh, really, I think it was it just 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:23.800 literally in a building that like there wasn't necessarily it 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:26.919 wasn't like a named studio. Was exactly that, which is 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:29.320 kind of my favorite thing. It was like this, um 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:32.119 you know, you just go up, go into a room 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:34.919 and you know, made it and made it a studio 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:37.200 and it was it would just have the best vibe. 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:40.040 I know, Brooklyn is kind of pretty incredible. It was. 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:42.040 It was such a cool time in my life because 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:45.159 I was really starting to feel I was out of 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:47.360 l A for a really long time because I was 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:51.159 filming a movie in Georgia, and then I went to 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:53.880 New York to write, and then I went to Sweden 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:55.480 to write, and it was just like all of these 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:58.800 exciting things happening in my professional life, while also my 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:01.200 personal life was going through its own kind of like 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:05.600 ups and downs and roller coaster h of emotions. So 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:08.720 it was it was such a just a really special 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:10.760 time of my life. For sure. Sounds like the music 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:14.760 was a catharsist in a lot of ways. Oh, I 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:20.479 truly my breakup and my kind of personal journey through 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:24.159 that and then getting into another relationship. I had never 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:27.320 written the songs that I was writing in such a 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:29.719 personal way. It was almost like every kind of song 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:31.760 I'd worked on before that I would go into a 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:34.279 room and it's so weird, Jordan, Right, you go into 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:36.279 a room and you were kind of like, hey, good 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:40.400 to meet you. Here are all my hopes and dreams. Yeah, 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:42.680 you know, it's really intimate and weird. And I have 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:45.359 so many walls up as a person. So it was 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:47.440 always just it was really hard for me to crack 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:49.280 those walls. And though I had some songs that I 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:52.320 was writing before that that started that journey, it wasn't 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:55.080 really until I was going through that time in my 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:57.360 life where I was just like, I need to write 0:06:57.400 --> 0:07:00.640 about this and talk about this and just empty all 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:02.400 of the thoughts that are going on in my head 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:04.839 and empty all of the emotions that are going on 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:07.320 in my heart and just lay it on the floor. 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:10.440 And I feel like I wrote the best music that 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:13.400 I ever had before. And it was so exciting. It 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:16.760 was I was obsessed with the songs. I was so happy, 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:18.960 and you know, I was at a label at the time, 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:22.480 and when I ended up not working with that label anymore, 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:25.960 I I was passionate of I have to take these 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:28.120 songs with me and I have to put them out 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:31.440 because they mean the world to me, you know, I 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:34.560 really enjoy Its kind of devetails into another song that 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:36.560 I was one of my favorites from the EP, Can't 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:39.360 Help Myself. I just think the relationship dynamic that you're 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:41.480 describing on that song is I feel like it's something 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:43.200 I haven't really heard before. Can you talk a little 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:46.560 bit more about what's going on in that song for you? Yes, okay. 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:49.119 I love Can't Help Myself, and surely Can't Help Myself 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:54.320 came because I was writing all this moody, emotional music 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:57.040 and I kind of came into the room with this 0:07:57.200 --> 0:08:01.200 awesome producer, Johan, who was based in La at the 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:04.560 time but he's Swedish, and I was like, yo, Han, 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:06.480 I just want to write a fun song, Like, let's 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:10.880 just write a fun, fun song that isn't taking itself 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:12.720 too seriously. And so what I love about Can't Help 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:15.600 Myself is that it comes from this place of having fun, 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:19.520 but it is still a little bit of like a 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:26.120 revenge um our, revenge break up hook up song. After 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:30.000 I'm like, it's hard to completely pinpoint what exactly Can't 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:32.720 Help Myself is on a general standpoint, but it's a 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:36.319 specific standpoint. You know. It's about that moment of facing 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:41.800 an X that ended things and realizing that they want 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:45.720 you back and kind of taking advantage of that aspect 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:50.160 and feeling this weird sort of pleasure and satisfaction of 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:53.720 water and yes, and this weird kind of sense of 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:58.200 empowerment of oh you want me back. Okay, well that's interesting. 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:00.920 I'm gonna take a little control and leisure in this moment. 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:05.480 It's it was so so fun to write, and you know, 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:10.840 we didn't necessarily anticipate writing that concept. I think we 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:13.720 started with the track, right We started with kind of 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:17.080 like this, you know, bpm and this a few of 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:19.800 like the differences that we had that we wrote that 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:24.079 chorus melody and it was just right away, just another 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:27.360 second till you're naked. We're like, what is this about? 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:29.839 Like what is where are we going with this? And 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:33.400 I kind of was instantly, for whatever reason, from that lyric, 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:36.360 thinking of I love that it was just another second 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:39.880 till you're naked, till the other person is And what 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:42.800 is the genesis of that? Like what is the where 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:46.280 did that come from? And from that question came this 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:58.360 revenge break up hook up song. I mean, it's it 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:02.120 definitely feels like just the moment when you're back in control. Fully, 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:03.760 that was sort of when I first heard it, that 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:06.240 was what I got from. It was really like, you 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:09.080 are you are, You've moved on, and now you're back 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:10.600 in the driver's seat. I don't know that was my 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:14.440 take off, right, So it's it's that moment of when 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:17.359 you end a relationship. And to be honest, it wasn't 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:20.480 being really really real with you. It wasn't super based 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:24.280 on anything in my personal life. Maybe in some professional 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:27.960 aspects I was taking some inspiration, but definitely not personally. 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:29.960 But it is that moment in any sort of end 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:33.719 of relationship where you feel like you didn't control the 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:37.280 end of that relationship. You weren't the reason why things ended, 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:43.040 and that's really yes, but you've worked on yourself, you've 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:45.400 moved on, and here you are in a moment where 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:49.120 all of a sudden, yes, the dynamic switches and it's 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:54.240 just feeling so good and taking advantage of that feeling. 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:56.520 It's such a great track, and there's a brand new 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:58.360 version of track that is out. I believe the day 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:00.920 this this episode is out for Dring gen Doe. How 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:05.080 did you first link up with her? Yes? Okay, So 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:08.679 I was really excited to do another version of this 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:11.280 song again, kind of continuing my thought of there's two 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:15.280 sides to a story, there's multiple perspectives of a situation. 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:20.280 I wanted to continue this you era EP group of 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:24.880 music with remixes and with other artists putting their spin 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:27.480 on the songs and their spins on the lyric and 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:30.000 the concept and anything they really want to put their 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:32.679 spin on, right. So, you know, I knew that I 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:35.360 wanted to do a different version of this. I knew 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:37.559 that I wanted to have a female on it. All. 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:40.600 My other kind of duet remixes have all been with 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:44.079 other kind of these amazing male artists who were incredible 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:46.240 to work with. But I'm like, I I need some 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:51.320 like female female power in can't help myself. I really 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:54.360 need to make it happen. So John Doe was someone 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:57.719 that I was a fan of her music. I was 0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:00.320 kind of talking to my team about whom be a 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:02.280 good partner here, and we came up with some names, 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:04.439 but John Doe, you know, I was like I kept 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:05.920 kind of coming back to her and feeling like, ah, 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:09.040 I feel like she's going to make a great partner 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:11.480 in this, and sure enough we gave her the song. 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:14.520 She was into the song. She wrote this dope verse 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:18.000 and was just like, you know, let's do this, let's 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:21.280 make it happen. And then from the verse that she gave, 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:24.559 we then got in touch with this other kind of 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:30.840 amazing female artist who is diving into producing. Her name's Polio's. 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:34.360 She actually then added some production elements and kind of 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:37.600 reproduced the track with her producing partner Stanley, and so 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:41.280 it had all this like kind of dope female energy 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:45.240 which I feel like made just to me completely kind 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:48.800 of elevated the song into I love the original version 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:52.120 so much, but this version I think I kind of prefer. 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:55.920 It just feels really really good and really just the 0:12:55.920 --> 0:13:00.960 flow is amazing. The verse that John Doe added is fantastic. 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:02.959 All the kind of production elements that are new are 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:06.480 really great. So I was so excited by this version. 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:09.240 I mean, it is such a banger. You're right, I mean, 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:11.480 it just it feels It's definitely something when we can 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:13.560 go back out to uh to have you know, dance 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:15.760 parties and clubs and stuff, is something you could definitely 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:18.839 just here there yes, a hundred perscent. I feel that 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:21.800 so hard, and even like when people start coming over 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:23.760 to people's houses again and you have like a little 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:26.040 like pick back house party vibe, I feel like it's 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:27.959 the perfect song to just have on a playlist and 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:30.480 have that vibe. It's just so I love it. I 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:33.880 love it so much. I'm the complete flip side of 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:36.400 that something I love for for completely different reasons. Your 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:38.880 stripped down version of Something to Believe In is just 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:42.040 is gorgeous. And I know you've said that that you 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:44.000 have a special place in your heart for that song. 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:46.520 What is it about that song that that really resonates 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:50.640 with you? Oh man? So that song is the oldest 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:53.600 song on both EPs, both of me and you EP. 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:56.720 I've had that song for ages. I think I read 0:13:56.800 --> 0:14:01.199 that song in twenty thirteen or twenty four teen, really 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:03.600 long time ago, right, and just always want to go 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:05.680 back to the song and the original version that we 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:09.360 had and just feel like, I love this song. Doesn't 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:12.079 feel right for me right now, you know, I knew 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:14.520 I always want to kind of to update some aspects 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:17.640 of it, but it didn't feel right for so many 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:19.360 years to kind of put out and then you know, 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:22.280 when I was making the U E P and I 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:24.680 was writing some new music, I was going back to 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:27.840 some older music. I happened to kind of come across 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:33.320 it again. And with everything that happened to not just me, 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:37.000 but to kind of everyone in something to believe in, 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:41.360 weirdly felt so right in the time to put out 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:44.480 for me, and so much of it I resonated with 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:47.520 so deeply, And so I thought that was such a 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:51.680 really special aspect of the song that here I am 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:56.520 listening to a song I wrote literally years ago, and 0:14:56.560 --> 0:15:00.760 I've never resonated with more than what seven six years 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:03.280 later when I listened back to it, and so I 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:05.120 was like, Okay, the song needs to be on the EP. 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:08.920 I completely reproduced it, you know, we added some kind 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:12.840 of different aspects, but to be honest, the lyrical content 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:15.760 really stayed the same. I felt so connected to it, 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:19.320 and it just felt very true for the moment that 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:22.680 I was in, and I hope that it was going 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:24.640 to kind of resonate with other people. I'm sure enough. 0:15:24.640 --> 0:15:26.800 It feels like I feel like it's actually the song 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:29.200 off my EU EP that has resonated the most of 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:32.480 my fans, which is really special and pretty amazing. Lyrics 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:35.440 of that song are so mature. I mean, it's it 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:37.720 blows my mind to think he was very young when 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:39.520 you wrote that. It almost seems like your life had 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:42.200 to catch up to all the experience in those words, 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:45.080 unlike a hundred percent, like maybe I had. I don't 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:47.560 even know if I was. I think I had maybe 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:52.600 just started dating someone, But I don't think, to be honest, 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:55.000 when we wrote it, that happens so much, Jordan, right. 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:59.360 Sometimes again, this is actually a time before I felt 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:02.720 like I really unlocked my own vulnerability in my writing. 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:06.200 So you kind of go into a room sometimes and 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:10.160 I think I brought another concept in that was like 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:13.120 somewhat similar but not really necessarily true to my life. 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:14.600 I just thought it was kind of a cool lyric 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:18.520 and we kind of built on that and change things 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:22.400 and alter things, turn things upside down and you know, 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:24.640 something to believe and was kind of born. But it 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:28.760 was not something that I necessarily resonated deeply with in 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:30.760 that moment at all, and that that was kind of 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:32.760 very similar to my writing at that point where I 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:35.880 would love the song. I love writing just in general. 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:38.480 I think it's a creative outlet no matter what but 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:42.560 I wasn't really looking deep into myself to unlock anything. 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:47.120 But sure enough, weirdly, weirdly enough, this song is something 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:51.000 that I felt very vulnerably connected to. I know that's 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:53.000 not a phrase, but we'll make it a phrase in 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:57.520 it just was so right you imagined connecting to your 0:16:57.560 --> 0:17:02.320 vulnerability as a songwriter. How does one, as specifically in songwriting, 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:04.200 but also just as an artist in general, break through 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:07.239 those walls and reach that place of vulnerability in your art? 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:10.080 Is it just? Is it practice? Is it? You know, 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:13.520 self reflection? Is I guess there's probably no easy answer 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:15.240 to that, But but how did you get to that place? 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:18.440 I think that's a great question, and I think kind 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:20.360 of what you were saying as well, I think it's 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:22.280 it's not that there's not an easy answer. I think 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:24.800 it truly is different for everyone. And so what unlock 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:29.200 that for me was going through a really hard time 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:33.480 in my life, was going through a personal crossroads and 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:38.000 a time where I really had to face a lot 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:42.240 of pain. And I felt like for so many years 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:45.440 I always was writing and always kind of turned to 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:49.199 writing because I just loved it. But in that time, 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:51.919 writing wasn't just something I love to do writing with 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:55.840 something I had to do to get what was going 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:58.600 on inside of me out, you know, And so it 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:02.159 was so therapeutic, it was so necessary for me to do, 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:05.159 and that was it's hard to describe. It was almost 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:09.720 like I had to get vulnerable and and put everything 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:11.560 I was thinking into songs. And by the way, there 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:14.119 were still some songs I wrote from a vulnerability that 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:19.760 were terrible, that were lying not good, but it was 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:21.960 it didn't matter. It was just like the purpose for you, 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:26.520 they got you, Yes, exactly exactly. It was just something 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:29.920 I had to do. It was almost it wasn't something 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:34.560 I was necessarily even super aware of until retrospectively thinking 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:37.600 about it. It was just I need to talk about 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:40.320 what I've been going through and what happened to me 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:52.520 and and all those things. What is your process like? 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:54.480 Is it something that is music, something that you do 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:56.920 every day like people do meditation every day or work 0:18:56.920 --> 0:18:58.679 out every day, or is it something that you go 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:00.760 to when you feel inspired? Do you feel that you 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:02.679 have something to say? Yeah, you know, I think it 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:07.800 changes for me. I think, um, whenever I spend weeks 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:11.320 or months doing it every day, I feel so happy 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:16.040 and I enjoy it so thoroughly. Sometimes, however, it's just 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:18.760 like if I full on and kind of filming a 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:21.760 movie or in my acting career, I don't necessarily put 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:25.439 that kind of meditation esque aspect to it because it 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:27.679 just feels like I don't have time. But to that point, 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:30.560 there are times like I was just away filming a 0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:34.479 movie and there were just times where I had an 0:19:34.520 --> 0:19:37.879 idea and I like quickly left, you know, to my 0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:40.240 dressing room or about room or anything, and like grabbed 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:44.160 my I've had or any kind of voice memo situation, 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:47.720 just like quickly saying an idea. But I prefer when 0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:51.199 I actually put the time in and have that in 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:53.960 every day because I feel like, not only does that 0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:57.600 help me just as an artist, and you are so 0:19:57.720 --> 0:19:59.320 much better when you do that and you spend the time, 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:02.440 but I just I actually feel the like personal effects 0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:04.320 of that and feel a little bit more at peace. 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:07.680 But it is it's a time consuming aspect, So when 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:10.400 I'm working on something else, I don't spend as much 0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:13.440 time as I wish I could, and yet inspiration will 0:20:13.440 --> 0:20:15.800 strike and I will follow that. This is probably a 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:18.160 naive question from somebody who has never written a song 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:20.080 in their in their life, and will is never likely 0:20:20.119 --> 0:20:23.119 to I use superstitious in any way about writing. Is 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:25.600 there an instrument that you always feel like you need 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:27.440 to use, or a place or a time of day 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:31.440 or anything like that. Oh I love that. No, because 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:35.920 I just you're a well adjusted person. No, not because 0:20:35.960 --> 0:20:38.920 of that. I just truly feel like inspiration can kind 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:41.119 of strike anywhere, right, And I'm I've been in so 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:45.040 many different studios at different times, and I do feel 0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:47.080 like there are sometimes when I feel like I go 0:20:47.119 --> 0:20:49.600 into a session and I'll know a little bit immediately 0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:51.040 if it's going to be a good session or not, 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:53.720 or if the song will turn out. Um, and sometimes 0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:55.840