1 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: Last time on the Sicilian inheritance. 2 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 2: Who's who's that? What is his job? 3 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 3: This job is to work for a bird certificate here 4 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 3: in the city hall. 5 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 2: So does he think he has more records or no? 6 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 3: Yes, he stopped checking whether they have more writs or no? 7 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 4: Will he exclaimed? What that book is? The book? 8 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 2: Can we see it? 9 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 3: Libro? 10 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 2: So the book describes how everyone in town died? Yes, 11 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 2: when when it died, when they died, and when it died. 12 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 2: And it's handwritten book. However, can you look at it? 13 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: After being told there was no way I was going 14 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: to get to see the records we wanted. 15 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 2: You know, said privacy. Can bring the Book's bring the 16 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 2: Booklet's bring the book. 17 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: Here we are houring over a hundred year old book 18 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: of deaths, the book from the year that my great 19 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: great grandmother, Lorenzo Marsala died. 20 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 2: Lorenzo Marsala. There's her name right there. I see that. 21 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 2: It says mother of paula, wife of Antonino. But does 22 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 2: it say anything about how she died? 23 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,119 Speaker 1: And her name is right there, not in the section 24 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 1: devoted to natural causes, but the other section, the section 25 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: in the back of the book for so called unnatural 26 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 1: causes an accident maybe or a murder. 27 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 3: Okay, she didn't die at home because war, maybe to 28 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 3: an accident vision that didn't report the caustic. 29 00:01:55,720 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 4: Sectly why so much information about where and not the why? 30 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: So we now know something did indeed happen, but what 31 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: exactly and why? I'm Joe Piazza from Kaleidoscope. This is 32 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 1: the Sicilian Inheritance, Chapter three, the Book of Death. 33 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 5: M m hm. 34 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 2: I took a picture of the description so we could 35 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 2: have someone read it. I feel like there's. 36 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 4: More than they. 37 00:02:54,840 --> 00:03:00,239 Speaker 2: That's weird, that's weird, and where and where. 38 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: Here in the commune sort of like a city hall. 39 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: I'm buzzing with excitement. I'm pretty overwhelmed right now, and 40 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: also a little bit relieved because I've dragged a lot 41 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: of people to Sicily to try to solve this murder, 42 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: and at least now we have some sort of clue. 43 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,679 Speaker 1: And also because all of my other relatives who've come 44 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: here to try to see these records, this book of deaths, 45 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,239 Speaker 1: they've been shut down, like they literally had the book 46 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 1: shut right in front of them and were told to 47 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: get the hell out. But here I am just looking 48 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: at these yellowed fragile hand written records from the year 49 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: nineteen sixteen. I even sneaked a photo of the entry. 50 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: Probably wasn't supposed to do that. I also have to 51 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: say that I'm a little bit stunned right now, because 52 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: as much as I wanted to believe that this story 53 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: was true, that something really did happen to her, and 54 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: that my family didn't just make it all up, I 55 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: also didn't entirely believe that she was ever murdered. The 56 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: town records keeper, Signor Grado. He keeps calling her death 57 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: an accident where she died of unnatural causes. The entry 58 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: for Lorenzo's death record is confusing. It's confusing to me 59 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: because it contains so much detail about exactly where she died. 60 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 3: Says the area five kilometers before entering lockdown on the 61 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 3: left side of the road. The air where she died. 62 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,239 Speaker 1: We know that it's about five kilometers outside of town, 63 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: around a bend near the monument of the Fallen Masses, 64 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: near a place where there may have been a landslide. 65 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 6: Signed up. 66 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 3: He suggested it to stop in a place where she 67 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 3: probably died that. 68 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 7: Area, but why she does that matter? 69 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 4: He thinks that she could have something could have happened. 70 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 6: No, he's not he's not sure. 71 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 2: He's just trying to show us where should die. That 72 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 2: would be did we should stope died? 73 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 3: Just one's harms us see where should die? 74 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, we should stop and to take a look on 75 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 2: the way back. On the way back, But we. 76 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 1: Know nothing about how she died. There's not a single 77 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: word in there about the cause of death. I am 78 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: someone who has gone through police reports as a reporter, 79 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: and I have never seen a death record that doesn't 80 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: say something about how someone died. And so it seems 81 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: like whoever got the privilege of writing in Longhand the 82 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: particulars of this death didn't think it was important to 83 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: put down the cause of death, or was someone important 84 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: in the town covering this up? Is there a reason 85 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 1: this information is left out of the entry. Sometimes the 86 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: things that are missing are just as important as the 87 00:05:58,520 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: things that are there. 88 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 2: I have an idea. I have an idea. 89 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: While we're here, we have another thread to investigate. 90 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 2: So, yeah, we're trying to figure out if she was 91 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 2: a midwife. So can we see if she delivered any 92 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 2: babies or was present at the birth of babies. But 93 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 2: this theory comes out of my dad's belief that Lorenza 94 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 2: may have been a witch. And when I say which, 95 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 2: I mean a healer or perhaps a midwife in the village. 96 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 2: The idea that maybe when she was assisting in a 97 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 2: birth or trying to heal a sick child, that child 98 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 2: didn't make it, and maybe one of the babies died 99 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 2: or the mothers died, and that maybe she was killed 100 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 2: because someone was angry about that. 101 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: So we went back a little bit. We started going 102 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 1: through birth records. In birth records, they also contain a 103 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 1: lot of information about place and who was present at 104 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: a birth, including sometimes the name of the midwife who 105 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: helped assist with the birth. 106 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 4: Can you ask him, ask him and we can see 107 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 4: the the like a few months before, if there was 108 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 4: a baby. 109 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 2: If a baby died, or a mother died. Okay, So 110 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 2: I'm wondering if we could. 111 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: Start actually to see if she was present at any births. 112 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: So I'm thinking, if there's any truth in the story 113 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: of Lorenzo's death being linked to the death of a child, 114 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: then maybe we can find the death record of a 115 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: child in the months leading up to the day that 116 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: she died, and that would let us go back and 117 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: see if she was the midwife. Now he's looking to 118 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: see if a baby died. We ask Senior Gatto to 119 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: look for records of the death of a child. 120 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 2: But I know there's a lot of deaths, but this 121 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 2: was in February. 122 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 4: Will he just look, Just look January February for a baby. 123 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 2: Just just that. 124 00:07:53,720 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 6: Gena BAMBINII less than a year mom, So. 125 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 2: Just January fab of this year. I write that. 126 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 3: Quanto quaranta quan forty forty fifty. 127 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: And you can't find any records of any child dying 128 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: in nineteen sixteen when Lorenzo died, or the year prior. 129 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 2: One more. 130 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 1: But because we just keep pushing, We're like, let's just 131 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: keep looking, Let's keep looking. He flips back to the 132 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: page where Lorenzo's death record is and he stops. Senior 133 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: Grotto is like, this is big, a big question. 134 00:08:58,559 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 8: But is it a baby? 135 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:01,959 Speaker 6: No, no, a man, not a baby. 136 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 2: So start. 137 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 8: I didn't say febrio a lega trend. 138 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 3: The same day. 139 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:15,199 Speaker 5: This is her. 140 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, you think they're connected, even as the man. 141 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 2: He thinks they're connected. 142 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 9: Martino Niccolo Martino. 143 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 6: Niccolo Martino is the name of Niccolo, last name Niccolo. 144 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: On that same day that myle Lorenza died, there's another 145 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: unnatural death, the death of a man named Niccolo Martino. 146 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 6: Martino Noma bensus. Why does the same day at the 147 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 6: same time. So maybe same places at Testrano, but. 148 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 3: You can turn to the quest RT. That's unusual because 149 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 3: there weren't so many deads the same day in a 150 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 3: small town like this in nineteen sixteen. 151 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 2: That's the same place Costellos. 152 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 7: So then, my god, why would they be murdered together? 153 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: He looks closer, but I can barely follow along in 154 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 1: the Italian And what he's explaining is that this man, 155 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 1: this Nicolo Martino, who I have never heard of, not 156 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: only died on the same day as Lorenza, but in 157 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 1: the same spot at essentially the same exact time. 158 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 2: Who is this guy? We have to get this exact name, 159 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 2: the husband ten. 160 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 3: O'clock they came to register this debt. 161 00:10:54,720 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 9: Okay, okay, at all, we only know the same location 162 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 9: and the same yeah day, Olga mortaala. 163 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 6: Not natural death for the both of death. 164 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: Nicolo Martino, who are you? Niccolo Martino? He was aged 165 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: seventy one, and we know, like Lorenzo, he did not 166 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 1: die a natural death. Now, this entry again very thorough 167 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 1: about where this happened, less information about how this man died, 168 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: but it does list his wife, ji Seppa Marsala, And 169 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure at this point that Giuseppa was the 170 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: sister of my Lorenza. 171 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 2: Marito di Marcella. 172 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 6: Giusep Yespa, Giuseppa Massana, the sister of Lorenza, sister of. 173 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 2: The same day. 174 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 1: You hear me saying there that they were murdered on 175 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: the same day, and maybe it was a crime of passion. 176 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: I mean, come on, Lorenza died with her brother in law, 177 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:37,439 Speaker 1: her sister's husband. 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That's our trustee, Chiro, 201 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: the Piazza family's Sicilian guide and fixer, admitting that in 202 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: all of these years that we have been telling him 203 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: this family story about the murder of Lorenzo, he never 204 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: believed it. But maybe maybe now, maybe, especially now that 205 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: there is this other dude involved, this Nicolo Martino. Now 206 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: Ciro's bought in, and and why wouldn't he be. We 207 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: have proof that someone else died at the same place, 208 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: at the same time, on the side of a road 209 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: about five kilometers outside of town with my bis biss 210 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: Nona Lorenza Marsala. So yeah, Chiero has finally bought into 211 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: this story for the first time in twenty years, and 212 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: I gotta say so have I I am in it. 213 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: We don't have a ton of time to consider any 214 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: of this as we say goodbye to Senior Grotto, who 215 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: really wants to close up for the day. The records 216 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: are only open for a couple hours at a time, 217 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: say to me, Chao Chou, and Chiro has made us 218 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: other appointments. He wants us to meet the mayor of 219 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: the town to shake his hand and thank him for 220 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: the access to the records, which is the polite thing 221 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: to do. And then we also have to have our 222 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: life unch because being fed is a very big deal 223 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: in Sicily, and the mayor has called the one restaurant 224 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: in town and asked to make sure that they would 225 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: be open for us and ready for what will definitely 226 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: become an eight course meal. So we hop in the 227 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: car we're gonna watch. We're still reeling this other guy 228 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: is really what what? 229 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 2: Like? 230 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 9: Why was she like? 231 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 2: That's why why was she with some dude? And so 232 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 2: we know she didn't die in a hospital of natural causes. 233 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 4: She was in the other side of the book. 234 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 2: She was in the other side of the bo that 235 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 2: said not not natural, not natural causes, some kind of 236 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 2: accident in quotes with some dude at the same time, 237 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 2: Why would why like, what kind of accident kills two people? 238 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 2: Kills two people? There weren't They're not like people didn't 239 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 2: really have cars in nineteen six a little bit outside town. 240 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 2: Well kind of accident would kill two people outside town. 241 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 2: And it seems like he might have been like her sisters, 242 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,719 Speaker 2: like her brother in law, her brother in law, her 243 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 2: sister's husband. The plot thickens. This is the other church 244 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 2: right here, that's a cathedral. This is where I put 245 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 2: my dad's ashes right here, right up there. Hi dad, sho. 246 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 2: We're parking here, we're walking. 247 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 8: Up yea, yeah, okay, maybe it's better to be good. 248 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 249 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 1: We had to climb some really steep cobblestone roads to 250 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: get to the best and only restaurant in town. It's 251 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: Mates M. A. T. E. S. Highly recommend it. By 252 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 1: the way, Oh my god, so beautiful. We enter into 253 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: a cool interior lined with old farming tools and olive 254 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: oil press equipment. The walls are painted cobalt blue. It 255 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: feels like we're in a cave or a cellar, and 256 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: it definitely feels like we just walked back a hundred 257 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 1: year years ago. 258 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 2: So the Mayor I want to make sure we got here. 259 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: Everyone at this table is very eager to follow up 260 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 1: on this insane new bombshell and also go to the 261 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 1: place where we now know that Lorenzo was killed. But again, 262 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: this is Sicily, and what is an Italian murder investigation 263 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 1: without a very very long lunch? 264 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 8: Should we start with appetizer that If. 265 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: You thought we weren't going to do the big Sicilian 266 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: lunch scene in this podcast, you were very wrong, my friends. 267 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 8: After we have two kinds of pasta, But when is 268 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 8: the result too with zucchinis, peppers, mushrooms and means and 269 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 8: the other pasta is us with the statos. Usually we 270 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 8: do starters and pasta and after we ask you. 271 00:18:59,760 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 9: If you. 272 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: Part of Before we're all sitting at this long table. 273 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: There's no menu, no menu. They're just going to bring 274 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 1: us delicious things to eat and to drink a lot 275 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: of things to drink. 276 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 8: It for you, it's good start to passa and after 277 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 8: we will ask you if you're still angry? 278 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, perfect, would. 279 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 10: You like wine? 280 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 8: Also Winles or else? 281 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:29,239 Speaker 1: Kate and I are sitting with Chiro and Ettore, our 282 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 1: other translator, and my cousin. Yeah. Did I not mention 283 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 1: that my cousin, Laura on my dad's side, is here, 284 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 1: visiting all the way from Scranton. And if you remember Laura, 285 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: she's the one that told me she was inside the 286 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 1: church in Kaltabalota looking for Lorenzo's records years ago when 287 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:53,959 Speaker 1: it was struck by lightning. Basically, Laura moved to Sicily 288 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 1: because she's working on getting her Italian citizenship. So of 289 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: course Chiro is helping her because he helps every member 290 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 1: of my family do all the things. And of course 291 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 1: when I told her we were coming to count of Blota, 292 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: she pretty much just invited herself along along with her husband, 293 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:10,880 Speaker 1: who's a really nice guy that i'd never met. 294 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 8: Keep cheese month six months old dry with bread crum 295 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 8: cappers and. 296 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 9: Cheese and. 297 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:36,640 Speaker 2: The miracle. 298 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 8: Did you know it? 299 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 4: That's good? 300 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 2: That looks great. I'm gratzy, tier welcome. We just dig 301 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:49,199 Speaker 2: right in. 302 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: At this wine is delightful, and so I'm shoveling food 303 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: in my mouth while I'm telling everyone what happened in 304 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:06,439 Speaker 1: the records office. So we discovered new information. We actually, 305 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: we actually did detective work. And of course everyone has 306 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,959 Speaker 1: their own theory, and this is how my family has 307 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: always swapped bits of Lorenzo story over a meal at 308 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: a family dinner or a wedding or a funeral. But 309 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 1: this time is really different. This time I'm in her hometown, 310 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 1: just yards away from the home where she lived, and 311 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: now I know, just five kilometers away from where she died. 312 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 2: Bullet right, that's weird. 313 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 8: So probably being killed together, right, he will seventy one? 314 00:21:51,400 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 2: See, maybe some maybe it's it's too weird. H that 315 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 2: feels significant like this now feels like it's more impossible. Yes, 316 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 2: it feels it feels way more possible that it was murder. 317 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're only on the pasta course at this moment yet, 318 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: and I have to tell you what it is, because 319 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 1: that would just be cruel if I didn't. There's also 320 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: a busiata al pistachio. It's these perfectly tender little tendrils 321 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:35,360 Speaker 1: of pasta mixed with minced pistachio and almonds and then 322 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,919 Speaker 1: simmered with slices of pork. 323 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 2: Cheek so unusual. 324 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 10: That was amazing. 325 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 1: There's also a raviolo with a white sausage Ragou. I 326 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: think there might be truffles involved. It tastes a little 327 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:50,360 Speaker 1: a little. 328 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,880 Speaker 2: Truffly, which Puss you prefer. 329 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 9: It's that. 330 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 1: Over lunch. As much as we want to talk about it, 331 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 1: we are having a hard time fitting the new information 332 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: about Nicolo Martino, who we think is Lorenzo's brother in 333 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 1: law and possibly her lover, into the theories that we 334 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: already know. If she was killed with her brother in law, 335 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: does that invalidate the theory that she was killed because 336 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: someone wanted her to sell her land, or does it 337 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 1: bolster it was he just an innocent bystander. Does it 338 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: invalidate the idea that she was a midwife or a healer, 339 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: or the entire mafia theory? Or is this just another layer? 340 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: Is this just more proof that someone else was caught 341 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: up in this crime. And then my cousin Laura chimes 342 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: in and adds yet another layer that complicates this entire thing. 343 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 2: That's the other piece of the all. Yeah, my grandfather's. 344 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 10: Sharing remembers when her mother got call and to pick 345 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 10: him up and had him in Then he was home, 346 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 10: so I said, okay, So was that the story that 347 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 10: was that's revenge and got. 348 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,719 Speaker 1: Lost or was it just okay, I'm so sorry. Here, 349 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: maybe recording while you're eating a multi course lunch and 350 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 1: drinking all of the wine, maybe it's not the best 351 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 1: time to get clean audio. But we're in Sicily, and frankly, 352 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: you're on my family trip here, so let me help 353 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 1: you understand what we're talking about. Laura starts talking about 354 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 1: a particular wrinkle to our family story that I haven't 355 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 1: told you about yet. 356 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 5: Right now, fast forward, they hit a lost brother. 357 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,199 Speaker 1: This one is more of a whisper than a wrinkle 358 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: that got passed around in snippets, and maybe even with 359 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: more shame than Lorenza's actual death. 360 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 5: Now here's where it gets interesting and dicey as well. 361 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 5: And this I can tell you first hand because I 362 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 5: remember this. 363 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: Sharon, my second cousin. Laura's cousin, tells it best because 364 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: she was there when the family actually found out about this. 365 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: It was the seventies and Sharon was in her parents' kitchen. 366 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 5: My mother gets a phone call at her house and said, 367 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 5: there is a man here. It's some sort of mental 368 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:30,400 Speaker 5: health facility. He claims he is your uncle, but he's 369 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 5: very He's not normal, he's having problems mental health issues. 370 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: Sharon's mother Rose gets a call from a hospital saying 371 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 1: that her uncle Joseph, her father Santo's brother, meaning one 372 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 1: of Lorenzo's other sons, is at the hospital and needs 373 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: to get picked up. 374 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 5: So they asked my mother if she would be willing 375 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 5: to go get him. 376 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 1: As Sharon remembers, they go get him and. 377 00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 5: They brought him to my house. 378 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: No one has heard of this guy for years, maybe 379 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: even decades. She had no idea who he was. And 380 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 1: he tells his version of the story, and this. 381 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 5: Is honestly all I remember. 382 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 1: He claims that following his mother, Lorenza's murder, he and 383 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 1: his brothers, who were back in America, drew straws for 384 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 1: who would return to Sicily and avenge her death. And 385 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 1: he claims that he was the one who drew the 386 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 1: short straw and went back and murdered whoever killed his mother. 387 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 2: And he was the brother that supposedly went back and 388 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 2: killed the black hand. 389 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 5: All I know is he ran in the head. 390 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. 391 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 5: I remember hearing Diddy was hiding in Italy, running in 392 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 5: the Woods, striving to survive in Sicily. He was like 393 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 5: on the lamb for his whole life, right, don't know 394 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 5: when he came or how we came to this country. 395 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: It sounds like a mob movie, but this guy really 396 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 1: did re emerge in their lives in the seventies, and 397 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 1: Sharon was there. 398 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 5: And honestly, Joe, I don't know what happened after that. 399 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 5: I don't I don't know what happened. I don't know 400 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 5: if he disappeared again or he went back in the hospital. 401 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 5: I don't know. 402 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: I don't know either. And this is where the idea 403 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:32,239 Speaker 1: of a vendetta gets turned up to eleven. I mean, 404 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 1: it's almost too cinematic for me. Look, I am a 405 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 1: storyteller and I am a novelist, but like, I don't 406 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: know if I were to write this shit. But here 407 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 1: we are in the town where I was told that 408 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: she was killed, and now it seems like maybe it's 409 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 1: even shaping up to be a double homicide. So maybe 410 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: the part about this lost brother going back to avenge 411 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 1: or death, maybe that's true too. 412 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, was he just unwell? Did he make it up 413 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 2: because he was crazy? 414 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: My cousin Laura again. 415 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 10: Actually, so this is how our aunts were. They didn't 416 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,919 Speaker 10: even talk about that, even when you know they were 417 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,239 Speaker 10: telling the stories. I think it was like the very 418 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 10: very end of Anna's life and somebody brought it up 419 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 10: and I said, what are you talking about? And I 420 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,679 Speaker 10: remember Anana saying, Okay, she's old enough. We could probably 421 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 10: tell him now because they didn't even talk about that 422 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 10: aspect of it. 423 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: Mm hmmmm. 424 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 2: This podcast is we're going to figure it out. 425 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 10: We met a gentleman and Trapta, and he said, I 426 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 10: told him the reason that we coming here today, and 427 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 10: he said, let it alone. 428 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: There's so mafia. 429 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 10: He said, you just need to let it alone. 430 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 2: All right, Okay, all right, so yeah, yeah, he's just like, 431 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 2: you don't need done. Yeah, you don't need to scrape 432 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 2: at old wounds. 433 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 10: There's still there's still mafia out there. You just need 434 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 10: to let it alone. 435 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe I should let it go, Let the sleeping 436 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: dogs lie, let the wounds heal. Yeah, but I'm not 437 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: going to next time on the Sicilian inheritance. 438 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 2: Oh, I don't think we did come in on that. 439 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: We're going to the scene of the crime. 440 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 2: We're searching, all right. So now now we're searching for 441 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 2: the spot where she was murdered. Senior Grotto was very 442 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 2: specific about where it was. What did what did? Detail 443 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 2: by detail? So what did he tell us. 444 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 3: Tell about this place where there's this fountain kind of 445 00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 3: found somewhere the caddles horses is five. 446 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 2: Kilometers outside of side. 447 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: What do you think they were doing out here? 448 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 2: Was this the farm had been out here? Well, that's 449 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 2: what I want to know. 450 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: Do you think that was her land? 451 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 2: Oh? 452 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 5: My god? 453 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 2: If she was killed on the land, then there's a 454 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 2: house down there. 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