1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you should know 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 1: from House Stuff Works dot com? Hey, and welcome to 4 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. Guess he's with me? That's right, 5 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: Chuckers Bryant. I wonder how you would spell that out? Actually, 6 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: if I changed my name to that, I don't know. 7 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: It's a lot of g s and or you could 8 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 1: just use some punctuation marks like um, exclamation points out 9 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: true in yano mommy right. I wouldn't want to be 10 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 1: confused with a comic strip purse word, though, which is 11 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: also random punctuations. Yes, it is it random? Well, I 12 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't think each one signifies a letter, 13 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: does it. I've driven myself mad trying to find a pattern. 14 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: There's one in there somewhere, right, Yeah, I'm like the 15 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: guy from Pie. Yeah, so, Chuck, you know much about 16 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: World War Two, you know, Josh, I'm the hugest history 17 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: buff when it comes to the wars. But I know 18 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 1: a little bit about the Great One, the Great War, 19 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: the Big One. I think they're both called the Great Wars. No, 20 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: I think the First War was called the Great War 21 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: and the second one is the War to end all wars. 22 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: Who knows. Let's leave it to the listeners to correct this. Boy. 23 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 1: Um uh, did you know that during World War Two, 24 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 1: towards the end, although no one realized it was towards 25 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: the end yet, sure, everything was still hot and heavy, 26 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,479 Speaker 1: Japan's air force was actually starting to sag quite a bit. 27 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: Which if you have an air force and you're a nation, 28 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: the last time you want your air fleet to start 29 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: showing its age is in the middle of a major war. 30 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: And if you have an air force and you're not 31 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: a nation, then uh, that's pretty damn cool. It is 32 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: pretty cool. You are a real threat and a rich 33 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: rich man, I would say, probably woman. I mean, I 34 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: think about it. Bill Gates could probably a massive private army. 35 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: He probably has one, probably he can, right, Josh. The 36 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: deal was, was Japan's air force was old? Really? Yeah, 37 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: their fleet was old. Um, not the pilots, but the 38 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: planes themselves were old. Someone outdated maybeen old pilots too, 39 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: and they couldn't keep up with the newer technology that 40 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: America had to offer. No, so they came up with 41 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 1: a very radical idea. Actually, more to the point, Vice 42 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 1: Admiral Onishi taka Jiro came up with an idea. I 43 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 1: don't want to call it a good idea because it 44 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: sent people to their deaths. It was a good idea though, 45 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: well it worked at least. So what they did, what 46 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: he decided to do, was to take these aging planes 47 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: and strap five and fifty pound bombs to them and 48 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: then aim them right into aircraft carriers and destroyers and 49 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 1: and you know, basically anything that you wanted blowing up 50 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: um and use them as flying bombs. Essentially, talk these 51 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: pilots and going down. That was their problem. They used pilots. 52 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: It's called kama kaze, which means mine wind. Let's say 53 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: that together again, that's right, which is probably the coolest 54 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: name for suicide I've heard of so far, except for 55 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: Harrie koree, which is gut cut in slang in Japanese. 56 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: Is it really? I didn't know that? Yeah. So anyway, 57 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: I mean, if you we have suicide bombers today, right, Chuck, 58 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: which I have to tell you, I can't wrap my 59 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: mind around that. I've yet to encounter an ideology or 60 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: dogma that I can point to and be like, yes, 61 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: I would kill myself for that not even the Simpsons, No, 62 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: not anymore. Maybe during season seven. Okay, yeah, but that's 63 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: a long time ago. Yeah, so um, we but you 64 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: can explain and I've actually read a study before UM 65 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: that kind of explains how suicide bombing works or why 66 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: suicide bombers do what they do has nothing to do 67 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: with um religious city. Oh really no. Uh. They did 68 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: as some I can't remember who did a study, but 69 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: they did a survey of people who UM and they 70 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: they defined religiousness or adherence to the Muslim religion UM 71 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: as how often you prayed every day a daily basis, 72 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: And they found that when you when you factor that 73 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: in that being equal. The the real thread that showed 74 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 1: support for suicide bombing or an aversion to suicide bombing 75 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: was how often you attended mosque. So it seems to 76 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: be more of a social than a religious thing. Interesting 77 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: suicide bombing, right, but still you can explain it by 78 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: um it has that kind of structured framework of religion, 79 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: right with the with the kama Kaze pilots that had 80 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: to do more with a perverted version of the code 81 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: of honor. Because this begs the question, how do you 82 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: talk a man in getting into a plane and flying 83 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: himself to his death. Well, I think the you talked 84 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: him into it by saying that your reward is lies 85 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: in the afterlife, in the case of religion or in 86 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: this case with I guess what your family name the 87 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: honor of your family name, and what it was was 88 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: a There there's a an eighteenth century um code of 89 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: the samurai called bushy dough And what is that way 90 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: of the warrior? Yes, way of the warrior? Right? Okay, 91 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: so you've got Bushi dough um. And it's this huge 92 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: code of conduct that includes everything from and it was 93 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: created in feudal Japan and it creates it involves everything 94 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: from there's like a tenant that you don't hire an 95 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: incompetent person or put them in a position of power 96 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: just because they've been loyal to you for X number 97 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: of years like um in this somewhere right, this code 98 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: of conduct is basically it says that you self sacrifice 99 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: is very important, and honor comes from death, humiliation comes 100 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: from surrender, right, disgrace if you surrender. And that's where 101 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: the how did you pronounce it? I always said, Harry Carey. 102 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: If Harry Carey has got harrikuri, harri cury. Uh, my 103 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: girlfriends had Japanese Dude, it's like a walking I have 104 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: a walking crib sheet next to me, similar concept, and 105 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: that uh, death brings honor, right, But that's just part 106 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 1: of it exactly, So there's there's all this other. Um. 107 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: It's basically like how to live as a samurai, right, um, 108 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: and the samurai were noble warriors. They were definitely in Japan. 109 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: They're still revered and they have been for centuries. Right. 110 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: So when the Japanese government took this one facet of 111 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: bushi though that you know, death death, honor comes from death, 112 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: and humiliation comes from surrender. They took it and kind 113 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: of pounded it into their military's head. It was kind 114 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: of a twisted form of it, would say. Some historians 115 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: would call it an outright perversion of right. But it 116 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: worked and that's how they got common Kazi pilots to 117 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 1: have a real impact. I think at their debut at 118 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: the the Gulf of the Battle for the Gulf of 119 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 1: late they took out the U S. S. St. Low 120 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: Um with a hundred forty four men on board, and 121 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,559 Speaker 1: that was the first time. By the time the Battle 122 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: of Okanawa came around, I think in um three hundred 123 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: planes outfitted with fifty pound bombs. We're just coming out 124 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: of the sky, and what do you do because I mean, 125 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: think about it, Chuck. You've told me this before, right 126 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: that if you are prepared to die, you are an 127 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: indestructible enemy. If you're prepared to give your own life. 128 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: That's part of war. Is like you're hoping to make 129 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: it out of the battle, but you don't assume you're 130 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: going to make it out of the battle. You're the 131 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: most dangerous person on the planet. And if you can 132 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: line up and imagine once they started doing this and 133 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: signing soldiers up pilots, that became a little easier to 134 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: get the next guy in line, because you certainly didn't 135 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: want to back down if you're you know, co pilot 136 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: was all gung how, I don't bet with the first 137 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: the first round of pilots, uh. Vice Admiral Taka Jiro 138 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: was like, holy, they actually did it, you know, yeah, 139 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: It's like it's gonna be easy, yeah, yea yeah, let's 140 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: line them up. So plus they tied it to the 141 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: samurai and what is like cooler probably more honorable to 142 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: a World War Two pilot in Japan than to be 143 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: tied to the ancient samit. Yeah, it was like a 144 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: resurgence of it. Absolute plus. Also, the Samurai had hands 145 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: down the coolest armor of any group of warriors in history. Agreed, 146 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: Even Tom Cruise looked cool as a Samurai, which is 147 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:32,599 Speaker 1: really saying that says a whole lot, all five and 148 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 1: a half feet of them. Yeah, yeah, I think you're 149 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: being generous. Um, So this the the the perversion of 150 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: bushido was also extended to the rest of the military 151 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: to right. It wasn't just these common concert pilots, which 152 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: is why. Um. I think five percent of the Japanese 153 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: military surrendered during World War Two, not much five percent, 154 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,319 Speaker 1: there was I think in the Pacific, the Japanese um 155 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 1: used to flood islands with tens of thousands of soldiers. 156 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: I can't remember which island it was, but there was one. 157 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: It may have been Saipan, it may have been Guam, 158 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: I can't remember. Um, there were twenty thousand Japanese soldiers 159 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: on there and only ten percent surrendered on that one battle. 160 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: So the rest were mostly killed, like that's just how 161 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: they fought. But that was the only thing you could do. Well, yeah, 162 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: because it's gonna surrender, you're forced to kill them, right, 163 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: So in a lot of these battles, actually, um, you 164 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: you didn't have to get killed. You could also hide right, right. 165 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: And a lot of these islands, these islands became key 166 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: towards the end of World War two because the United 167 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: States figured, hey, Midway and the Philippines and Guam would 168 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: be great places to stage attacks on Japan. In Japan thought, hey, 169 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: these are great islands of stage attacks on us. So 170 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: they became kind of the focal point. Whoever owned these 171 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 1: islands had great sway over the outcome of the war, right, 172 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: and like it switched hands here there. The Philippines were 173 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: a really a key island in World two in the 174 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: Pacific theater, right, So the Japanese had it for a while, 175 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: and then the Allies did their own um flooding with 176 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: Marines who took the Philippines from the Japanese um. And 177 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: while the Japanese control the Philippines, they set up their 178 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 1: own puppet regime, not a sign regime, not towards the Filipinos. 179 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 1: So the Filipinos had um. They're kind of rubbing their 180 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: hands in anticipation when the Allies liberated the island because 181 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 1: they started search parties and rooted out any um hiding 182 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: Japanese soldiers and just butchered them, I think up to 183 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: eighty a day for a while. Snakes. Isn't that what 184 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: they called them? Yeah, yeah, that's what somebody was quoted as, right, 185 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: And these uh, these islands were lousy with mountainous regions 186 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: and jungles. So some of these holdouts are stragglers as 187 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: we call them, could route down and kind of disappear. Yeah, 188 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: and a lot of them did, a lot of them did. 189 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: And actually, interestingly enough, uh, these a lot of these 190 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,199 Speaker 1: Japanese stragglers are hold out to kept the whole thing 191 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: out or straggling, depending on the verbue you want to use. Uh, 192 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: after the war ended and refused to come down. Right, 193 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: there's some really famous cases of Japanese holdouts. Yeah, there 194 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: was one uh well summer a little like more heartwarming 195 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: than others. Um, definitely here there was one man who 196 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: apparently was charged with securing and island off the coast 197 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 1: of eastern Russia. So I said, defend this island. So 198 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,839 Speaker 1: he did so until nineteen long time after the war 199 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: was over. And the nice in history is that he 200 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: settled in the Ukraine. He got used to things over 201 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: there and started a new family and just kind of 202 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: was like, all right, well, this is my life now. 203 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 1: It's kind of nice over here. It was nice for 204 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: his new family, not so much for his old family yet. 205 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: Did you have an old family? Probably, I don't know, 206 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: probably yeah, yeah, um yeah. That that is about as 207 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: happy as the stragglers stories go. From there, it goes 208 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: into cannibalism. Cannibalisms. One there was one group, uh it 209 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: was they were actually I think some of them were civilians, 210 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: but I think it was, uh, twenty men something like that. 211 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: Thirty uh so, twenty nine men and a woman. We've 212 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: talked about this off the air, about this woman, what 213 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: it must have been like to be the only woman 214 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 1: among thirty. Her name was her, Her first name was Kaziko. 215 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 1: And apparently she used to um decide that she liked 216 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: one man as a boyfriend, and then we get tired 217 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: of him and liked another man. And um. These people 218 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: were living making milk out of or making a wine 219 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: out of coconut milk. Right, They had their own clothes, 220 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,199 Speaker 1: they made um they found I think a B twenty 221 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: nine super Fortress crashed nearby on this mountain that they 222 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: were living on, so they pillaged it and used like 223 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: the the rifle springs as fish hooks. And they were 224 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: doing pretty good living like Swiss family Robinson style, right, 225 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: for like six years. Right. And and the woman actually 226 00:12:55,760 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: when she transferred her affections, people would mysteriously vanish. So 227 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: apparently there was a lot of in fight. And I 228 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: think um uh six or seven of the eleven deaths 229 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 1: that were caused um that were attributed to the group 230 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: itself were through violence. One guy turned up with thirteen 231 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 1: stab wounds, and then at least four other guys who 232 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: the woman had dated, uh, disappeared while fishing. Sure, that's 233 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: what you call it when it's like, you know, love 234 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: straggling style. Yeah, I like that. Yeah, just checking out 235 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: a movie. Right. Well, they they were finally convinced to 236 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: come out um in what Yeah, which wasn't so bad. 237 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: But there's there's a whopper. There's another guy. Well let's 238 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: talk about um oh what was his name? M you're 239 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: talking about him? Yeah, But I think we should do 240 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: this dramatically. Let's lead up forward, all right, I think 241 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:59,199 Speaker 1: that's right for play it out, pay it out, yes, 242 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: wait for it, pay it for Showichi Yokoi. He was um. 243 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,079 Speaker 1: He was a soldier, a fellow holdout who was discovered 244 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: fishing on a riverbank in Guam, wearing burlap pants and 245 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 1: a tree bark shirt. Clearly a survivor, John Rambo, if 246 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: you will, No, he wasn't much of a rainbow, that's true. 247 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: Wait for a rambow. He's coming up. When when Yokoi 248 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: got back, he basically I don't know if he admitted 249 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: it or what, but he he said, I thought the 250 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: war was still going on. And this is nineteen seventy two. 251 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: I don't think I even said that yet. Holy cow, 252 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: this is nineteen seventy two. I was one year old, 253 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: crawling around Stone Mountain, Georgia, and this guy was still 254 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: holding out and he was found fishing and kind of said, uh, famously, 255 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: I'm ashamed that I've returned alive. When he finally came back, 256 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: and he would have left, but he knew the war 257 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: was over, I think, But he he said that he 258 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: was forced to stay because of shame. He did not 259 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: want to return as a surrender. Oh you're right, yeah, 260 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: And and he was kind of met with national shame 261 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: here there. Everybody's like, hey, glad you made it. But 262 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: kid wouldn't be the worst, right, Um. In contrast to 263 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: your COI was the baddest dude in World War two. 264 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: Probably as a matter of fact, I invite our listeners 265 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: to email us anybody who can who want, any single 266 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: individual who can top the man we're about to talk 267 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: about as in badness, Okay, and Josh will personally email 268 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: you back and debate you on that choice. I don't 269 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: I don't know about that, but this is the Rambo. 270 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: Think about it, Chuck. There can't be too many people 271 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: who who exceed this guy. Now we're talking about lieutenant here, Noda, 272 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: bad dude. Right. So if your Ki was just kind 273 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: of hanging out fishing and ashamed of himself Onnada was 274 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: doing the exact opposite. He was um staging raids on 275 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: villages in the Philippines and murdering cows and and stealing 276 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: stuff out of freezers and cheating. Correct, let's start at 277 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: the beginning. How did you get there? He was on 278 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: what island? Chuck? He was on the island of lou Bang. 279 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: I love it when you say that, Chuck. My pronunciation 280 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: is stellar. Here. Uh, he was he was unaware, actually 281 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: the war was over he was a case that did 282 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: not no no. So they he and I think four 283 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: other guys end up on lou Bang. He was twenty 284 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: three at the time when they landed, and lou Bang 285 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: is a Filipino island. It had an Allied presence at 286 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: the time. Um. But this was prior to the Allies 287 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: just flooding the Philippines with marines and taking it from Japanese. Right. 288 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: But I get the impression that lou Bang was kind 289 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: of no man's lamp because he and his four man 290 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: crack commando teams were tasked with going and sabotaging everything 291 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: they could on lou Bang, right, And they did. They did. 292 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: They blew stuff up. They I think they did something 293 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: to one of the ports, the piers and things like that. Um. 294 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 1: And basically they're just saboteur commandos. While they were there, though, 295 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 1: that Allied invasion happened and these guys had to skidaddle 296 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 1: and they did into the jungle and became guerrillas. They did. 297 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: They did not stop fighting. They did not fish along 298 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: the river banks and get found by somebody who anybody 299 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 1: who wanted to talk to him. Now, these guys continued 300 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 1: carrying out the war. Yes, all five of them until 301 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty when uh one of them surrendered in nineteen fifty. Yeah, 302 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: and then he turned around and said he wrote a 303 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,959 Speaker 1: message exactly that said, hey, guys, the I've been treated 304 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: very well. The war is actually over, has been for 305 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: six texted them right, He's like l O L VTW 306 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: war over l O L come home for sushi nel 307 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: l O L exactly, I think is what the first 308 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: message said. And they didn't buy it. Now they didn't. 309 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: And then they blanketed the jungle with these messages. They 310 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 1: make copies, dropped them from the plains, and evidently they 311 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 1: even played over loud speakers into the jungle. Hey, war 312 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 1: over right. Well, there's a contingent, contingent of Japanese diplomats 313 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: that went and use loudspeakers and say, hey dude, we're 314 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: from Japan, like we're for real, the war is over 315 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,360 Speaker 1: for like six years. It's been over right now. Lieutenant 316 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,919 Speaker 1: onata Um did not buy this scene. His guys just 317 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: didn't buy it. They figured it was Allied tricks trying 318 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 1: to get him out. Yeah, but you know, I can 319 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: respect that. But it also shows that back in Japan, 320 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: everybody was aware that this was going on in the 321 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: bang there was a Japanese UM commando team that was 322 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: still fighting World War Two several years after it was over, right, 323 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: and the Japanese loved us, yeah, you know, in their 324 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: very reserved way. Um. And but one by one these 325 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: guys started to go down, right, Yeah, two of them. 326 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: He became separated from the remaining two evidently, and then 327 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: both of those UH holdouts were killed. So now he's 328 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: by himself, right, and he's still fighting this war, still 329 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: holding out. Like I said, when they wanted meat, they 330 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 1: go and murder a cow and I guess field dress 331 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: it and take the meat back into the jungle. Um. 332 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: Villagers retreated as spies and were shot at. Um. They 333 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 1: would get into firefights with the local Filipino police. Um. 334 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 1: And I read, and this is not verified, but I 335 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: read that they actually staged a raid on a local 336 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: police station. This is back when there was more than 337 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 1: just Lieutenant Nada. They raided a police station and got 338 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 1: into a firefight to steal ammunition and guns. Okay, So 339 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 1: flashed through the sixties, the entire decade of the sixties. Dude, 340 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: go through that and go midway into the seventies to 341 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,439 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy So here we are. It's nineteen seventy four. 342 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: I'm three years old. It was a full decade before Ghostbusters. Correct. Yeah, unfortunately, 343 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 1: and uh a noda a noda excuse me, is still 344 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 1: hunkered down in fighting by himself, by himself, when a 345 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: Japanese student who was I heard of this legend goes 346 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: and seeks him out, right, a guy, a Japanese dropout, apparently, 347 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 1: nor Yo Suzuki. He was kind of a wandering drifters. Yeah, 348 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 1: he was college dropout. What better person to go talk 349 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: someone into quitting? So he nice he u. He leaves 350 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: Japan and tells his friends he's going to look for 351 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: Lieutenant Onata, a Panda and the Abominable Snowman in that order, 352 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 1: and they're like, okay, alright, to leave your rent check. Yeah. Um, 353 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: so this guy was not leaving rent. No, he's he 354 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: was the hippie rob of Japan exactly. So he goes 355 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: um to lou Bang if the first thing he did 356 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 1: was go to lou Bang to look for um Lieutenant Onada, 357 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: who by this time, this nineteen seventy four, everyone in 358 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: Japan is still aware that this guy's killing people left 359 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: and right, and and and he's carrying on the war 360 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 1: right in his fifties at this point. Yeah he uh 361 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: was twenty eight years later. Yeah, um, so he's still 362 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: fighting and everyone's aware of it. And so I guess 363 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,120 Speaker 1: Szuki is kind of like going to make a name 364 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: for himself too as being the one who gets this 365 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: guy to come out. And he actually meets Sonata in 366 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,880 Speaker 1: the jungle and they become friends. Crazy. Yeah, this needs 367 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 1: to be made in to a film. I can't believe 368 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: it hasn't already. Nanda even wrote a memoir. Yeah, it 369 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: was a best seller as far as in it. And 370 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: that was different. That was an entirely different story resemblance. 371 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: That was different too. Um. So Suzuki actually meets Sonata 372 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,719 Speaker 1: and they become friends, right yeah, and he kind of 373 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,199 Speaker 1: tells him, hey man, this is the worst pinover for 374 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,679 Speaker 1: a long, long long time. You missed the sixties, you 375 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,199 Speaker 1: miss Woodstock. Uh, Disco is on the horizon, He's like, 376 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 1: but Ghostbusters is coming because coming in a decade. Yeah. Um, 377 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: And here's here's the problem. Here's the problem. And this 378 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 1: is where the story starts to get sad. You get 379 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 1: the impression at this point that lieutena Onata. Lieutenant Onata 380 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: is aware that the war is probably over, but he 381 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 1: says that he can't stop fighting until his commanding officer 382 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: tells him to surrender because his he was originally given 383 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: orders not to kill himself. He was under no circumstances 384 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 1: allowed to take his own life, and he wasn't to 385 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: stop until they came and got him. And so Suzuki 386 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: was like, all right, let me see what I can do, 387 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: goes back to Japan, finds this guy's former commanding officer 388 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: who's now staged stooped over bookseller and um selling little 389 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: gremlins in the alley. As as part of the Marshall Plan, 390 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: Japan didn't even have an army anymore. There's no standing 391 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: army in Japan, they're not allowed to have one, right 392 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 1: um so, But this nice bookseller uh decides to come 393 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 1: along to lou Bang and Suzuki takes him to meet Onata, 394 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: and the guy officially orders Onata to surrender put down 395 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: his arms, and so after a second apparently it really 396 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: sinks in and Onata is hit with the fact that 397 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,640 Speaker 1: he's just at twenty nine more than half of his life, 398 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: twenty nine years of his life fighting a war needlessly 399 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 1: and killing people needlessly, killing thirty people and wounding a 400 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 1: hundred others and god knows how many cows. Right, So 401 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 1: he felt bad all of a sudden, Yeah, he felt 402 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 1: like a fully felt bad, But he did come back 403 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: as a national hero. Depending quite know what to do 404 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: with them, because again, they're trying to move past this. 405 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 1: They were, they stood and still staying accused of a 406 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: lot of atrocities during World War two. Um, and they've 407 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 1: been trying to distance themselves ever since of their role 408 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: in World War Two because you know, there they were 409 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 1: definitely the losers. They had two atomic bombs dropped on him, 410 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,360 Speaker 1: which arguably the worst thing any group of humans ever 411 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: done to another group of humans. But at the same time, 412 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: they lost another hanging out with the victors. They want 413 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: to be friends with everybody, so they're distancing themselves from that, 414 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, bam, here comes this guy 415 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 1: that exemplifies everything that the Japanese Imperial military was about 416 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: during World War Two. But they still treated him like 417 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: a hero. The guy, and he was pardoned by Ferdinand Marcos, 418 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 1: husband of Emelda Marcos, who famously had millions and trillions 419 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,640 Speaker 1: of shoes. You remember the marquess is in the Philippines. 420 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: Irony is rich in this one because o'nada didn't have 421 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 1: any shoes. But when he was found he had his rifle, 422 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: five pounds of ammunition, and a couple of hand grenades 423 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: on him. Still a good thing to hang on to. 424 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: That stuff, well he needed early. Of course it was 425 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: an old weaponry and that no, it's in pristine shape. Still, 426 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: Oh cool guy like that takes care of his gun. 427 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 1: I can tell you. Yeah, you know what he said sadly. Yeah, 428 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:39,679 Speaker 1: you close your article with his very poigny. And I 429 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: thought when he was talking about his dead comrades who 430 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 1: he lost years and years earlier, he said, wouldn't it 431 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: have been better if I had died with them? You 432 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: can imagine, man, that's so kind of a waste of life. 433 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: So people have heard stories of these holdouts and Japanese 434 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 1: soldiers being found. I know it's supposed that he found 435 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: some in the eighties and then the Nine Easy a 436 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: few years ago, but we haven't found that those were substantiated. Now, 437 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: Chuck and I figured out a long time ago that 438 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: if you are doing research and you find a sensational 439 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 1: story and in it it says, but they're still trying 440 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 1: to figure out whether or not it's for real. And 441 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: then there's no follow up whatsoever. Then it was a 442 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: hoax ye or it wasn't real. Uh. And also, Chuck, 443 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: did you want to mention Japanese stragglers in pop culture? Yeah? 444 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 1: I think we need to be remiss if we did 445 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: not mention Gilligan's Island, which occurred to me while I 446 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: was reading circles, like, wait a minute, man, I remember 447 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 1: a Gilligan's Island episode with this, And sure enough there 448 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: was an episode called sorry so Sorry my Island now 449 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: and uh, I sent you the clip. Also, a racist 450 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: was in true Hollywood Forum. They hired an Italian man 451 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: to play a Japanese soldier through some thick glasses on him, 452 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 1: told him to squint and talk funny. What do you 453 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 1: think I'd done? Ahead exactly And if you think we're 454 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: being jerks ourselves, you should look it up on YouTube. 455 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 1: That's actually a kind portrayal of what this guy said. 456 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,719 Speaker 1: His name was Vito Scotti, and he played on the 457 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 1: same show a season later, played a Russian mad scientist. 458 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: I remember that one casting Gilligan's Island. They weren't reaching 459 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: too far. Yeah, send a six million dollar man. Yeah, 460 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,640 Speaker 1: do do do do do. Steve Austin was held captive 461 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: by a Japanese holdout in one episode of the Six Months. 462 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta think about it. When when Onana 463 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 1: came back to Japan. That was that was huge. It 464 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: doesn't get bigger than that, right, that's like world news, 465 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: big time huge, pretty pretty cool. So that's that ay? 466 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: So yeah, oh yeah, you can read this article, um, 467 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 1: which is pretty much a rehash of what Chuck and 468 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: I just said one dot com I did, right, and 469 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: yeah you should be proud of it. Yeah, that's in 470 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: the handy search bar. What just type Japanese holdouts or 471 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: something like sure? Yeah? Uh And since I just that 472 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: handy search bar, that means Chuck, it's time for the listener, Mayle, Josh. 473 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna just call this, um funny email from Natalie 474 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: who does not who definitely does not want to kill 475 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 1: her husband. That's what I'm gonna call it. Oh, is 476 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: this the pet on the back? We didn't even know it? No, 477 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 1: this is different. Hello Chuck and Josh or Charles and Joshua. 478 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 1: If we're going formal, we're not. I love your podcast. 479 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 1: Have been a big fan for a while, and I 480 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 1: have an idea for a show. Can someone truly be 481 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 1: framed for murder? Interesting, don't you think, Josh? Huh? Interesting? Yeah? Well, yeah, okay, 482 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 1: we know that many have tried and failed, but there 483 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: have been Has there ever been in an attempt that 484 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: was successful? I know if it was successful, we wouldn't 485 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: really know. Said, that's my first thing that I was 486 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: going to say right back, because we wouldn't know. Let 487 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 1: me explain why I asked this before you think I'm 488 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: trying to accomplish us an act. My husband Paul, had 489 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: two separate freak accidents within the last seven months. The 490 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: first one was when he was taking some items up 491 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: to the attic and the spring loaded met achanism came 492 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: loose and sprang up and hit him in the shoulder. 493 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: Oh luckily it didn't hit him in the head and 494 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: he was just badly bruised. Yeah, it probably would have 495 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: killed him if he had hit him in the head. Perhaps. 496 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: The second he aimed a little more poker right. The 497 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: second accident was when he dropped a floor tile on 498 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,919 Speaker 1: his head. Yes, a floor tile. He was cleaning his 499 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: workshop garage and had put some floor tiles up on 500 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: a shelf, then moved a ladder and one of the 501 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: tiles came right down on top of his noggin. While 502 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: he was building the shelves, he had bruised his hands 503 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 1: and cut his fingers, so it appeared that he had 504 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,199 Speaker 1: defensive wounds. He said that he could totally set me 505 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: up if he had another accident and came up dead, 506 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: because all of the marks all over him, and all 507 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: the shows that we have recorded in our t vow 508 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: would indicate that I did it. I love all the 509 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: crime shows C S I and C I S and 510 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: that is from Natalie and Natalie. One thing that I 511 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: think you've missed in all this is typically when you 512 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,479 Speaker 1: frame someone from murder, you commit a murderer and you 513 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: try and blame someone else. You do not get murdered 514 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: and set someone up to have police think that they 515 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: killed you. Right. Well, maybe her husband hates her gut, 516 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: you know, and is willing to die for that. Sure. 517 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: Maybe he's a holdout maybe or a suicide bomber. So 518 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: I think Natalie kind of was a little confused here. 519 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: When you frame someone for murder, it's typically not something 520 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: you do for your own murder. Agreed, Chuck, and sounds 521 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: like your husband Paul is a bit of a klutz, 522 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: and I don't think the cops would buy that story. Well, 523 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: if you're looking for Chuck and I to serve as 524 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: your alibi, UM, just go ahead and send us an 525 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: email to stuff podcast at how stuff works dot com 526 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: for more on this and thousands of other topics. Does 527 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: it how stuff works dot com. 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