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Speaker 1: All right, Greg co sells around the corner. Nobody breaks

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Speaker 1: down the tape. The film like Greg co Sell will

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Speaker 1: get to him in a couple of minutes. I thought

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Speaker 1: this was interesting. Mike Rable told Pool reporter Lindsey Jones

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Speaker 1: that his staff in New England had saved elements of

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Speaker 1: the game plan for this week to keep players engaged.

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Speaker 1: And I've said the big advantage in this game is

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Speaker 1: Rabel's been in what is this the fourth Super Bowl?

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Speaker 1: This is the tenth for Josh McDaniels. And having a

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Speaker 1: coaching staff with lots of Super Bowl experience is like

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Speaker 1: having a great wedding planner. You're freaking out. It's the

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Speaker 1: first wedding. Emotions are high and the wedding planner is like,

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Speaker 1: I've got this, I've got this. There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: I got this with Vrabel and Josh McDaniels. The other

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Speaker 1: thing is Fred Warner, the great forty nine er talked

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Speaker 1: about just as a player, what's it like from first

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl to second the things you learn.

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Speaker 3: The thing you don't realize the first time around is

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Speaker 3: how draining the entire game is. Everything is longer. It's

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Speaker 3: not just a regular season game where the timeouts are longer,

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Speaker 3: the halftime is longer, there's just so many bricks. The

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Speaker 3: national anthem before the game takes feels like it takes

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Speaker 3: an hour. So the second time around, I made a

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Speaker 3: conscious effort pregame, post game, leading the week's leading up,

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Speaker 3: I said, hey, we have to make sure we can

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Speaker 3: serve our energy when we get to the sidelines because

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Speaker 3: it's going to be a four quarter ball.

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Speaker 1: And that's what Vrabel and Josh McDaniel that they're preaching

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Speaker 1: that to the players, can serve some energy. All this

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Speaker 1: anxiety is going to sap energy. Everything is longer. So

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Speaker 1: I think one of the advantages of New England is

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Speaker 1: Vrabel and Josh have been in this game so many

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Speaker 1: times before. Seahawks need a wedding planner and with that.

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Speaker 1: Greg Cosel forty six years NFL films joining US Live.

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Speaker 1: So last year the Patriots had Drake May, they had

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Speaker 1: a lot of this personnel and they were unwatchable thirty

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Speaker 1: first yards per game. This year you still have Drake May.

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Speaker 1: They made some acquisitions, but Hunter Henry was here last year,

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Speaker 1: he is there this year. When you look at New

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Speaker 1: England's offense year to year, is it free agent signings,

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Speaker 1: is it the draft or is it just schemes and

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Speaker 1: coaching a massive upgrade? Why?

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Speaker 4: I think it's schemes and coaching and the natural development

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Speaker 4: of Drake May.

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Speaker 5: You know, Colin, we've talked for years.

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Speaker 4: You know how big a believer I am in coaching

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Speaker 4: with quarterbacks.

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Speaker 5: Very very very few.

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Speaker 4: Quarterbacks are transcendent that you can just go out there

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Speaker 4: and it doesn't matter what the system is, what the

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Speaker 4: schem addicts are. It all comes down to that, in

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Speaker 4: my opinion, in many many ways.

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Speaker 5: And I think that's a big difference.

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Speaker 4: And I know for a fact the way Josh McDaniels

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Speaker 4: went about dealing with Drake May, and they basically gave

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Speaker 4: him everything because he can handle it mentally and then

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Speaker 4: you can work down as opposed to just giving it incrementally,

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Speaker 4: giving it to him that way, so it'll be interesting

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Speaker 4: because you know it's funny. I don't know how you

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Speaker 4: feel about this game, but this game, to me, believe

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Speaker 4: it or not, has much more of a defensive feel

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Speaker 1: I think it is a I've said this. I think

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Speaker 1: it's twenty four to twenty. I think field goals and

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Speaker 1: special teams will matter. I think a lot of it's

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean my sense.

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Speaker 4: Look, no one can predict turnovers and short fields, which

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Speaker 5: Can Shaheed take one to the house on a pun

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Speaker 5: Those things can happen.

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Speaker 4: But I don't see this game as being a game

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Speaker 4: that's going to impact the run games because you look

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Speaker 4: at what New England brings to the table with Barmore, Williams,

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Speaker 4: even some unknown players like Corey Durdin and Toga.

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Speaker 5: Then you look at.

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Speaker 4: Seattle, we know about Leonard Williams and Murphy Jaron Reid.

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Speaker 4: It's very hard to run the inside against these defensive fronts,

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Speaker 1: Why did Sam Donald and JSN It felt like it

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Speaker 1: clicked very early, and we know this is not the

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Speaker 1: case with all quarterback wide receiver combles. It takes time.

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Speaker 5: Why you know?

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Speaker 4: I think a lot of that also has to do

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Speaker 4: you see really great receivers being so open.

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Speaker 5: You know, you wonder, God, he's a great receiver. He's open.

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Speaker 4: And that gets down to the schematics of the offense.

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Speaker 4: And I think one of the things that Seattle does

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Speaker 5: What are you trying to do.

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Speaker 4: You're trying to influence and put second level defenders in conflict.

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Speaker 4: then they get caught in conflict. And you see a

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Speaker 4: lot of those inbreaking routes that the Seahawks were really

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Speaker 4: saw Smith and Jigger being able to run those routes

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Speaker 5: So and they move him around a lot too.

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Speaker 4: He predominantly lines up outside eighty percent of his snaps,

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Speaker 5: And you know, I'm not.

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Speaker 4: Sure that the Patriots are gonna put Christian Gonzalez on

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Speaker 5: People aren't aware of that. It's not just one guy.

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Speaker 1: What I remember when Kenneth Walker was at Michigan State,

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Speaker 4: You know, I think that over the last five six

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Speaker 4: because to me, and this is the way I evaluated

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Speaker 4: always described him Colin as much more of a jazz musician,

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Speaker 5: But over the last five.

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Speaker 4: Six weeks, he has run inside much much better. He's

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Speaker 4: the Patriots, because of Rabel's background with Belichick, will do

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Speaker 4: a much better job than recent opponents of the Seahawks

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Speaker 5: And you're not going to.

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Speaker 1: Is there something that stands out with the Seahawks defense

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Speaker 1: it just consistent the ability to play and mesh all

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Speaker 1: Two things stand out?

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Speaker 4: I would say Williams and Murphy on the inside and

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Speaker 4: because don't forget we know about em and worry And again,

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Speaker 5: But let's assume he plays.

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Speaker 4: He's essentially a SAM linebacker in their system, but he

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Speaker 4: does so many things. He can match up to wide

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Speaker 5: And a pressure standpoint.

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Speaker 4: Because Em and Wori and Witherspoon are both very good blitzers.

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Speaker 4: when they do blitz they're very very good at it.

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Speaker 1: Do these two teams look like? I mean again, I

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Speaker 1: I worry about New England's O line matching up, but

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Speaker 1: I worried about the last three weeks and three games

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Speaker 1: and they won. What what how do they match up?

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Speaker 4: I would say that the left side of the Patriots

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Speaker 4: Campbell are our potential issues. Again, the Patriots know this,

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Speaker 4: the rookie left guard, what do they feel about him

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Speaker 4: going up against perhaps Williams, who are at times they even

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the you know, you kind of talked about strength

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Speaker 1: if he has a bad pick in the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: people will just be like, see I told you so,

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Speaker 1: and those questions no question, and Drake may will be

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Speaker 1: able to get away because Drake may Our early impressions

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Speaker 1: are boy, he's ready, young and talented, so he'll get

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Speaker 1: away with more. I mean, just Darnald can't throw a

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Speaker 1: bad pick. But here's something else. I think Fred Warner

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Speaker 1: wildly entertaining games and they both look like absolute, dynastic,

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Speaker 1: unbelievable rosters. New England plays in blizzards. Yeah, against good defenses.

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Speaker 1: So the takeaway with New England is their offense stinks,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion on New England's offense. I still like it. Greg,

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Speaker 5: You never know.

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Speaker 5: Now, with two weeks to prepare, could they do that?

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Speaker 1: Great stuff. I've said before. You know, if I was

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Speaker 1: I think it's close and low scoring. It's very hard

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Speaker 4: you know me, Colin. I could give you ten reasons

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Speaker 1: Great stuff. Greg Cosell love the fifteen minute breakdown. Thanks Greg,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there's old lines. You could bet Seattle minus ten

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Speaker 6: I did call Eagles blowout over the Chiefs last too,

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Speaker 1: That takes courage. Yeah, I don't have the courage. I'm

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Speaker 6: Let's put my money where my mouth is, and my

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Speaker 1: Seattle considering your bitcoin losses.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday I did top ten players in the game. I

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Speaker 6: Colin Drake May breaking some news. So his shoulder injury

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Speaker 6: feeling great. This is the first heeled shoulder after a

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Speaker 6: He has had a rough postseason. I don't know it's

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Speaker 1: I'm not the ahman worry the safety for Seattle. I'm

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Speaker 6: So there was a breakdown Warren Sharp. I think you

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Speaker 6: In the postseason, he's seen a lot of that. Now

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Speaker 2: But let's be real.

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Speaker 1: Went Let's be fair. You came on the air. You

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Speaker 1: The two teams this year dominated the Chargers, Jacksonville and

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Speaker 6: I like the Texans as well.

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Speaker 1: Against Joy Texans was a really tough matchup.

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Speaker 1: Hiding almost like you're forgetting that Patriot dominating win over

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Speaker 2: I think that's real.

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Speaker 6: You think Joe could end up somewhere else. I just

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Speaker 1: I think people are gonna go after it.

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Speaker 1: I mean Joe Burrow body language alone has been visibly,

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Speaker 1: They have not had a top fifteen oer line since

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Speaker 6: Let's just spitball here. The Houston Texans call up and say, hey,

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Speaker 1: If I was Cincinnati, I would do it, and not

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Speaker 6: And in free agency. Seattle Cincinnati struggling to lure guys

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Speaker 1: Like everybody inside the league is like, that's not a

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Speaker 1: place you want to like if you are you going

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Speaker 1: to move your family now they do. They don't run

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Speaker 1: through coaches, like they don't want to have any dead

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Speaker 1: coach money. They hang on stuff and whatever you think.

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Speaker 1: But it's like players don't look at Cincinnati is a

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Speaker 1: great landing spot players are just like everybody else in society.

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Speaker 1: They talk and gossip and they're like, you don't want

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Speaker 1: to be here.

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Speaker 6: So I'm trying to think, like, could the Vikings do well,

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Speaker 6: They would have no Bengals would not want Justin Jefferson

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Speaker 6: and picks right, they have receivers. Trying to think of

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Speaker 6: someone who needs a quarterback and his close and could

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Speaker 6: give up a star player or two and come through

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Speaker 6: like a It's tough to find one moving off Burrow

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Speaker 6: that would.

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Speaker 1: Be They've shown no ability to consistently be able to

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Speaker 1: protect him.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know we have a Bengals fan on the staff.

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Speaker 1: I wonder he has been distraught since the Super.

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Speaker 6: Bowl Final story is its official. Bill Belichick will not

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Speaker 6: be a first ballot Hall of Famer. This has led

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Speaker 6: to questions about other people's Hall of Fame first ballot

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Speaker 6: potential Rob Gronkowski. I kind of sort of loved this

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Speaker 6: one from Gronk. He believes one coach should not be

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Speaker 6: first ballot since Belichick is not.

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Speaker 5: Pre ridiculous.

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Speaker 8: I mean, coach Balichick needs to be in the Hall

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Speaker 8: of Fame and it needed to be a first ballot.

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Speaker 8: Now there's no such thing as a first ballot Hall

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Speaker 8: of Fame coach, No other coach ever in history should

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Speaker 8: go first ballot. And there's a guy out there, Andy Reid,

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Speaker 8: but he can't go first ballot now because coach Blichick

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Speaker 8: was at first ballot.

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Speaker 6: I like that. Well, well, wait a minute, what are

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Speaker 6: you saying?

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Speaker 1: Well, Andy didn't have you know a couple of spy gates?

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Speaker 6: Was Belichick suspended for the spy gate?

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Speaker 1: I forgot No, Well, they gave up a first round pick,

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Speaker 1: a third round pick. League doesn't like to do that. Fine,

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Speaker 1: five hundred thousand. I think he may have been fined

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Speaker 1: even more the second time. There's a lot of suffixes.

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Speaker 6: There's a lot of Gates suffixes. What do you call so?

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Speaker 6: But honestly, like nobody in football, thanks, Andy Reid's a

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Speaker 6: better coach than go both nobody.

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid has won with eight different quarterbacks. Belichick, what

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Speaker 1: does he won with a different monoment? Mcgaddy? Get to

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Speaker 1: a Super Bowl?

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Speaker 6: They didn't win it.

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Speaker 1: You get to a.

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Speaker 6: Superchick got won eleven games or whatever with the Browns

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Speaker 6: and his first tour of duty ten or eleven something

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Speaker 6: like that.

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Speaker 1: And they let him go.

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Speaker 6: Well, that's the Browns that's their fault. Listen, I like

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Speaker 6: read a lot. He's done some good things, but I

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Speaker 6: just I'm kind of with Gronk here. If Belichick is

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Speaker 6: not first ballot, what coach can be? Nobody's got a

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Speaker 6: better resume than it.

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of a cheatersh never prospered guy, but he's

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Speaker 1: dug in. All right, No, I'm not. I'm not anti anything,

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Speaker 1: but I said, as everybody was freaking out, I'm just

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Speaker 1: as bothered by Robert Kraft who won pre bellat Jack

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Speaker 1: and post Bellot Jack and has eleven Super Bowl appearances

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Speaker 1: and Jerry Jones is in and Robert Kraft isn't.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it was yeah that to me.

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Speaker 1: Wait, I know, yeah, you're one of these owners do anything.

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Speaker 1: What's the worst job you ever had?

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Speaker 6: I'm embarrassed to say on air I worked at a

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Speaker 6: car wash. I was so angry my parents wouldn't give

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Speaker 6: me like a real allowance. So I got a job

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Speaker 6: at a car wash that did not last.

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Speaker 1: And why didn't it last long? Was the boss lousy?

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Speaker 6: They made me do stuff I didn't want to do,

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Speaker 6: and then I like rebelled. They like work, just not stuff.

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Speaker 6: I want to talk about our area it's just not fun.

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Speaker 6: I was like, I don't want to do this stuff.

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Speaker 1: I think you were a lot more high maintenance than

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Speaker 1: you're letting all.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 6: I was high maintenance. Now I'm low maintenance, as you know.

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Speaker 1: Well, oh, I sure do I know a lot. Well,

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Speaker 1: uh J Mack with the news.

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Speaker 9: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the

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Speaker 9: line news.

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Speaker 1: It's so interesting to me how people weren't bothered at

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Speaker 1: all by Robert Kraft not getting in, but they're deeply

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Speaker 1: bothered by Belichick. And I would ask every single person.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you right now, if you are working

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Speaker 1: somewhere and you're not really happy, ask yourself why you're

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Speaker 1: not happy. And I've been in almost every instance. You

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Speaker 1: don't love management, you don't love the vision of the company,

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Speaker 1: you don't love the product you're selling. You don't trust them.

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Speaker 1: It's not coworkers, it's not where you live, it's not

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Speaker 1: where the plant is based. It's usually I don't I

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Speaker 1: have said this before my career. I've been so lucky

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Speaker 1: I've had I have had overwhelming luck with you know,

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Speaker 1: quality of boss is, and you know quality of environments,

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Speaker 1: and lived in Vegas and Tampa and La and Chicago

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Speaker 1: and you know, great, great places to live, even Northeast

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Speaker 1: in the summers and falls amazing. So people aren't bothered

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Speaker 1: by Robert Kraft. It's like Jerry joneses in Robert Craft,

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Speaker 1: isn't You're you're totally okay with that. Nothing against Jerry,

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Speaker 1: but I mean Jerry calls himself the GM. Robert Craft

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Speaker 1: has one time in his career reached down and said,

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Speaker 1: we're not gonna do this with personnel, the Jimmy Garoppolo

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady situation.

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Speaker 5: And he was right.

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Speaker 1: Tom still had a lot left in the tank. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we've got Liam Cohen. Also take your pick. I will

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Speaker 1: say the money's overwhelmingly on Seattle. I didn't might take

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Speaker 1: my pick this morning. Man. Seattle is good. There is

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Speaker 1: no getting around that. See, Seattle is really We had

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Speaker 1: Fred Warner on yesterday talking about that. Fred Warner obviously

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Speaker 1: no Sam Darnold, former teammate played against him. I mean

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Speaker 1: a lot of this is just Darnald played a perfect

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Speaker 1: game against the Rams. You can't unsee that, you know,

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Speaker 1: ten days ago, whatever it was. Here's Fred Warner on Jarnald.

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Speaker 3: He was a great teammate.

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Speaker 2: He fit right in you know.

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Speaker 3: That's why I'm so happy for his success and the

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Speaker 3: way that he's played throughout these playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Of course I wish he.

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Speaker 3: Didn't play as well against the old Niners, but for

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Speaker 3: him as a person man and being a former teammate

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Speaker 3: of mine, I am happy for Sam, you know. And

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Speaker 3: he's always had uber ability, like uber talent, the ability

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Speaker 3: to put the ball wherever he wants, to manipulate arm

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Speaker 3: angles and do those sort of things. He's just done

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Speaker 3: worrying about what everybody else got to say about him.

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Speaker 3: Hey man, I'm just gonna play the game. I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: play the position the way it's meant to be played,

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Speaker 3: and I'm gonna trust my team, trust my teammates, and

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Speaker 3: ultimately that's why they have a chance to win the

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Speaker 3: Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: And he did just that last week live in La

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Speaker 1: It's The Herd.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weak

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Speaker 2: Days and New Eastern nine am Pacific on Fox Sports

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Speaker 2: Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 1: Well, you get some of these young coaches. Ben Johnson's

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Speaker 1: obvious because he was so high profile with Detroit Demiko

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Speaker 1: Ryans before he got the job. I had called some

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Speaker 1: people in San Francisco. They're like, that guy's gonna hit

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Speaker 1: like fast, like he's gonna be great. Liam Combe was

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Speaker 1: that when he said the Fox he's with the Rams.

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Speaker 1: People are like, this thing's gonna work in Jacksonville. It's

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Speaker 1: gonna work fast. And he turned around. I mean, just

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Speaker 1: it is amazing. Ben Johnson gets a lot of the

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Speaker 1: love for the turnaround. But the Jags went four and

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Speaker 1: thirteen to thirteen and four and it was And I

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Speaker 1: love Trevor Lawrence and I got to the point where

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Speaker 1: I was like, sell them stock and Liam Cohen takes

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Speaker 1: the Jags over and it is it is a bright

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Speaker 1: future and he is joining us live in San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: So let's let's start with this because I think it's

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Speaker 1: kind of fascinating. I love getting these coaches on the

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Speaker 1: air about this. So I love like everybody else. I

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Speaker 1: saw him play in high school. I saw Trevor to

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Speaker 1: high school camp and I was like, bro, that guy

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Speaker 1: is like wow. I loved him at college and I

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Speaker 1: but he it was a bit turnover prone, mechanics weren't

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Speaker 1: always clean. And then you so when you take over him,

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Speaker 1: do you break him down? Because there was a massive

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Speaker 1: jump he played much cleaner with you, and Ben had

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Speaker 1: to do this with Caleb to some degree, he'd been

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Speaker 1: beaten up, lost some confidence. What did you do in

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Speaker 1: the first three weeks four weeks with Trevor? Because the

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Speaker 1: ascension was noticeable very quickly, What the hell did you

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Speaker 1: do now?

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Speaker 6: Colin?

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Speaker 9: Thanks for having me on man, really appreciate a ton

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Speaker 9: of respect for you in this program. Trevor was so

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Speaker 9: cool to work with at an early point because of

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Speaker 9: the humility you talked about of being able to say, Man,

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Speaker 9: I do want to break this thing down. I'd like

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Speaker 9: to change my footwork in the shotgun. He was always

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Speaker 9: a right foot forward guy. I ended up wanting to

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Speaker 9: go left foot forward. That was his idea. That was

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Speaker 9: something that I was comfortable with after working with Matthew

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Speaker 9: and Baker, and we started there.

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Speaker 5: Colin.

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Speaker 9: He wasn't able to throw all of for a long

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Speaker 9: time during spring because of us shoulder surgery, so we

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Speaker 9: were able to really start from the ground up, really

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Speaker 9: start with the footwork, start to work with the playbook,

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Speaker 9: the protections, the schemes from the neck up, without worrying

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Speaker 9: about the result of a completion, right like we're just

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Speaker 9: worrying about your footwork and your thought process, going through

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Speaker 9: the cycle of the snap without worrying about the throw.

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Speaker 9: And then okay, get into training camp. Now we're getting closer.

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Speaker 9: Now we're getting closer.

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Speaker 5: And it did.

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Speaker 2: It took some time.

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Speaker 9: We're able to run the football effectively early in the season,

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Speaker 9: which helped us win games, and Trevor managed the game

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Speaker 9: at a high level. And then once man the past

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Speaker 9: game took off, he brought us to a whole nother level.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it is, you know, it's funny like Drake may moves,

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Speaker 1: Darnald moves, he moves, I mean golf and Matt Stafford don't.

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Speaker 1: But what is the line on wanting your guy to

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Speaker 1: move and not get whacked? Because a couple of times

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Speaker 1: with Trevor this year, I'm like, oh, get down, you

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Speaker 1: are long, you're a big target. He got smoked in

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Speaker 1: a game. It may have been one of your playoff

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Speaker 1: games earlier in the year. Just got smoked. What is

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Speaker 1: the line for a coach? You want that third down

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Speaker 1: es capability, but he is the franchise. How do you

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Speaker 1: coach that?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 9: That is the finest line that you walk, honestly with

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Speaker 9: a guy like Trevor, That I mean, he's legit high

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Speaker 9: four five four six that can really run, athletic, big

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Speaker 9: strong has an advantage, right, It's an advantage for us

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Speaker 9: when he can get moving. And while you also want

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Speaker 9: your quarterbacks to go through progressions and read it one

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Speaker 9: to two to three and find a checkdowner be able

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Speaker 9: to keep the ball in play, because if you check

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Speaker 9: it down and we gained ten yards, well you just

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Speaker 9: took a negative into a positive and you didn't take

659
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Speaker 9: a hit. Well when when he's able to go scramble,

660
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 9: push up in the pocket, slide out, go run. Now

661
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 9: you've made the defense defend every blade of grass, and

662
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Speaker 9: you make it very frustrating on the defense.

663
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Speaker 2: That was a lot of conversations Colin.

664
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Speaker 9: I actually remember after the Kansas City game, his wife

665
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 9: Marissa was like, dude.

666
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Speaker 1: You gotta slide.

667
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Speaker 9: You know, you gotta get down, and hey, I'm like, man,

668
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 9: as long as you feel like you're protecting yourself. And look,

669
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Speaker 9: he just wanted to compete his tailoff this year, prove

670
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Speaker 9: to a lot of people that he can do it,

671
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 9: proved to himself that he can continue.

672
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Speaker 2: To play at a high level.

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Speaker 9: And I think when you do that, Colin, you earn

674
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Speaker 9: your players trust and you earn their respect.

675
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Speaker 2: And that's something that Trevor was able to do this year.

676
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Speaker 1: You know, I said, you played the Seahawks and you

677
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: hammered some really good teams. The Chargers game, you you

678
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: unraveled teams. There was one game, though, the Seattle game,

679
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Speaker 1: where it was like, and I've said this all year

680
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: about Seattle, turn the sound down and watch Seattle. They

681
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: just look longer. They are fast, they are young, and

682
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: with young teams you get energy, you get more mistakes.

683
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Speaker 1: But they when they're humming, they look different. Let's go

684
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Speaker 1: back to that game against Seattle. You're on the sideline.

685
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: Did you get that and think that that team may

686
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Speaker 1: be a super Bowl team?

687
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Speaker 9: There's no question preparing for that team that we were

688
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 9: very aware of the physicality. The way that they played

689
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 9: their coverage structures in the back end you could tell

690
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 9: was extremely tied together.

691
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:17,439
Speaker 2: Mike does a phenomenal job.

692
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Speaker 9: I think his coaching staff does as well. But you

693
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 9: can see they've got waves of rushers, right Colin Like,

694
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Speaker 9: they've got groups up front in their front seven specifically

695
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 9: that can really impact and affect the quarterback. It's not

696
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Speaker 9: just one. It's not just two. I think the big

697
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 9: Nickel human our kid is unbelievable in terms of the athlete,

698
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 9: the freak, the ability to play covers and rush and

699
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 9: defend the run.

700
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Speaker 2: They are exciting.

701
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 9: It's an exciting defense and then really offensively, a ton

702
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 9: of explosive plays. Right, They've lived and died by the

703
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 9: explosive play. Sam's playing at a high level. I think

704
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 9: the run game is really coming to life. And thought

705
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 9: they did great things over the course of the year.

706
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 9: A lot of props to Mike for what they were

707
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 9: able to do this year. And you're right. You can

708
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 9: turn the tape if you just watch and listen. They

709
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 9: played the game the way it's supposed to be played.

710
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 1: You know. Mike Rabel, we were talking about very few

711
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,280
Speaker 1: coaches like have a brand and it usually takes years

712
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: to develop. And it was about halfway through his career

713
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: in Tennessee. I started seeing this video of Mike Rabel

714
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,720
Speaker 1: and the players after the game. Long snappers, quarterbacks, rush

715
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: edge and I'm like, if I had two words to

716
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: describe Rabel, it would be like tough love. Nobody's gonna

717
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: love you more, nobody's gonna support you more. It's almost

718
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: like a fatherly figure, and you have a very close

719
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: relationship with your players. It's hard liam you sometimes you

720
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 1: have to give them really bad news, but you also

721
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: have to have their respect and you've got to You've

722
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: got to be an alphant. You're leading, you're leading successful,

723
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: driven men in a career, in a career that pays

724
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Speaker 1: well and is very short. When you see this stuff

725
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: of rabel and and how does it land for you

726
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: a coach watching that coach and that.

727
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 9: Relationship, that's everything to me is the relationships like this.

728
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 9: Take football back to Pop one, or take it to

729
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 9: high school, take it to college.

730
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Speaker 2: It's the brotherhood. It's the relationships.

731
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Speaker 9: It's the trust, it's the connection in the locker room,

732
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 9: the coaches and players having a real, honest, open conversations

733
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 9: that yeah, you're right, can be difficult, can be challenging.

734
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Speaker 9: But if you approach those conversations and tough ones with

735
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 9: as a man and bring it to him as a

736
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 9: man without really ego involved from your standpoint or the

737
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 9: organization standpoint, those guys can usually take that stuff like men,

738
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 9: and they can handle it like men, and.

739
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 2: That's what they want to be treated like. They're pros.

740
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 9: We're working together you know, I happen to be the

741
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 9: head football coach, and so when you can make them

742
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 9: not feel like a line on a piece of paper

743
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 9: of a playbook, I think those guys are going to

744
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 9: play a lot harder for you. I think those guys

745
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 9: in the fourth quarter are going to reach and find

746
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 9: something they didn't have. So those are the type of

747
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 9: relationships that we would like to have with our players,

748
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 9: our coaching staff. And you can see Rapes. Coach Rapes

749
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 9: has that without a question.

750
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Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting. Jacksonville always had a reputation kind of

751
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: a sleepy town warm weather and if you look at

752
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 1: the NFL, Liam, I don't know if you're aware of this,

753
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: but there's never been a warm weather dynasty. And I've

754
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: always argued, you know, in college football, you play the

755
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 1: warm you play the you know a lot of your

756
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: big games inside right or in the South. In the NFL,

757
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: there is value in playing in New England and Baltimore

758
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 1: and Green Bay and Seattle. And what's interesting about Jacksonville

759
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: is how do you create a tough, physical, almost Northeastern

760
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: kind of you know, attitude When it's seventy two degrees

761
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: a lot the beach, you can smell the salt, like,

762
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: how do you do that as a staff create And

763
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: it's weird to say it, but almost a northern toughness

764
00:37:58,440 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: in a southern place.

765
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 9: That was exactly what we said when we got here.

766
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 9: Colin like working with Tony BISSELLI, James Gladstone about what

767
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 9: we really wanted this to look like. I mean, when

768
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 9: your executive vice president of football operations is a left

769
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 9: ackle right and your general manager as a coach's son,

770
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 9: you're gonna fallen into synchronicity with what you really wanted

771
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 9: to look like. And we knew if we wanted to

772
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Speaker 9: get where we want.

773
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Speaker 2: To go ultimately it was win a Super Bowl, is

774
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 2: we're gonna.

775
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 9: Have to go run the football and stop the run

776
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 9: in places like Baltimore, New England, Buffalo, Kansas City. And look,

777
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 9: that's something that that's football, Man's what it was when

778
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 9: we were five years old playing this game. And I

779
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 9: was fortunate enough to grow up around Division III football,

780
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 9: watching my dad coach every day.

781
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 5: And you know, you're.

782
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 9: Putting car lights to have night practice and they're getting

783
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 9: my dad's making sandwiches, my mom's making sandwiches.

784
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 2: For the player to have on the bus.

785
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 9: I mean, it's it's that's what I grew up in

786
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 9: and I don't think that really changes based on the

787
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:07,240
Speaker 9: level you're at.

788
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 2: If you want to be a tough brand of football and.

789
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 9: Play that way, great, or you can go play Star

790
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 9: Wars and play seven on seven and maybe that stuff works.

791
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 9: But I just think that this game's meant to play violence.

792
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 9: It's meant to be physical, and I think they it

793
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 9: shows with the way that we coach and play well.

794
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 6: I see.

795
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: I look at your coaching resume and I see Maine

796
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 1: and U Mass and Rhode Island and Brown which is,

797
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: for the record, a beautiful part of the country, but

798
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: it is I like that you got. You got some

799
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: Northeast kid in you, and I love that. And you

800
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: have crushed and you turning man, you turn that puppy

801
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: around fast, and I'd love to have you on again

802
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: and just keep crushing. You're good for the league.

803
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,439
Speaker 9: I appreciate it, Colin, Thank you very much for having

804
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 9: me on.

805
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: All right, Liam Cohen, Uh, Yeah, it's it's a former

806
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: college assistant and I see all these Northeast schools. Chip

807
00:39:58,200 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: Kelly did a lot of that too before he was

808
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: discovered by Oregon. So it's crazy. I was, I think,

809
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: like a lot of you, I was a huge Trevor

810
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: Lawrence fan, and I got to the point where I'm like, yeah,

811
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: he just makes too many mistakes, and all of a

812
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: sudden you watch immediately and you're like, Okay, got his guy.

813
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: You know, Baker for the record, Baker Mayfield had Liam

814
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: Cohen and Dave Canalis and then they leave and then

815
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: it doesn't quite work as well, a lot of success

816
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: for quarterbacks. I mean, Matt Stafford did not win a

817
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: playoff game. Paree McVeigh. Okay, look how good he is.

818
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 1: I mean, look at Sam Darnold New York. I mean

819
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:35,240
Speaker 1: last week or a week and a half ago, Stafford

820
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: Darnald go take their first five years in the NFL.

821
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: Stafford and Darnald. If I would have tried to sell

822
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:45,439
Speaker 1: you on yeah, right now they're in the NFC, they'll

823
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: meet in the NFC Championship. If I'd have said that

824
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,240
Speaker 1: after four years of Donald and four years of Stafford

825
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: so much. That's why it's don't give up in any

826
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Speaker 1: field on young people. Yeah, I don't care if you're

827
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: a young teacher, a young attorney. You know, he doesn't

828
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 1: make just you don't give up when you're young, especially

829
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: you need stronger support than when you're old. I mean,

830
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: at this point, I got gray hair. I am what

831
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 1: I am. I mean, I have to deal with j

832
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: Mac and then you know that's difficult. But outside of that,

833
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: it's easy living. I made my mind out.

834
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Speaker 6: Low maintenance Mac. That's the new nickname. Going around the building?

835
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: Is it going around the building and then bouncing right

836
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: back to you.

837
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Speaker 6: We got a Nick Amunwari update from Mike McDonald's. He

838
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 6: is saying that he's confident quote that his safety will

839
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 6: play in the super Bowl.

840
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: Young athletes heal quickly.

841
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 6: It's called a low ankle sprain, not the high one.

842
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 6: Walking to the set that, yeah, suffer one of those.

843
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 3: Every o.

844
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: My ankle sprains don't mean anything.

845
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Speaker 6: And this guy's a machine. He's what like twenty three

846
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 6: years old, young superstar.

847
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll be fun, all right. We got good stuff.

848
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick. If I had Ryan on years ago, he's

849
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: done a great job for Amazon, he is. I'm telling

850
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: you you can go give me a three minute reel

851
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: on Ryan Fitzpatrick.

852
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 6: Rick.

853
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: That dude made. He was athletic and he's going to

854
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: join us. MHM