1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:05,039 Speaker 1: R and B Money. 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 2: We are. 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 3: Take pologize. 4 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 1: We are the authority R and B ladies and gentleman. 5 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 3: Name is Tank and this is the R and B 6 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 3: Money Podcast, the authority on all things R and B business, 7 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 3: big business, tenured business. Uh. You know, sometimes you in 8 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 3: this game and then you're no longer in this game. 9 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 3: But sometimes you in this game and you stay in 10 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 3: this game a long time because you've done some real 11 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 3: cool ship. 12 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: Starting with cool ship? 13 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 2: Are you cool? Lady? 14 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: Was young? 15 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 2: Right? 16 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 3: We go back like a six back, come on oolosis. 17 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 2: I got it now. I was like, oh, hilariens. 18 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 3: Doing this a minute A man? 19 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:15,919 Speaker 2: I thought you're about to say a million years? 20 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, not a million, but it. 21 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 4: Is close A minute, yes, a minute, yes, all like. 22 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 2: Both of you, which is screw. 23 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 3: We can get into that, get it. We're gonna get 24 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 3: into that all really like all really good stuff. And 25 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 3: I say that because you know, going through this business 26 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 3: can can can do so many things to you if 27 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 3: you're not grounded in who you are. And every time 28 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 3: I've seen you since the beginning, you are one hundred percent, 29 00:01:56,040 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty percent you that you're bad. Listen, 30 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 3: you are you? You this is this is you, that 31 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 3: is anyone. 32 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 1: Knows you know, that's the case to have on Chuck Taylor. 33 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 2: I really am that is so funny thing. I take 34 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:17,399 Speaker 2: it as a compliment. 35 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 3: But yeah, because because because the consistency is everything right, 36 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 3: and you know, having the friendships and having the relationships 37 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 3: with good people's everything, especially people you can depend on, 38 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:31,839 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And a lot of times 39 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 3: it's not even it's not even business when it comes 40 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 3: to that type of thing. It's like it's like that 41 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 3: person is going to say you good, that's a family, 42 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 3: like that type of thing that is bigger than this business. 43 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 3: And you you don't have that with everybody that you 44 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 3: come in contact with this thing, and so you know, 45 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 3: to to you know, to. 46 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: See like you know what I'm saying, every time I 47 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: see you them like. 48 00:02:54,160 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 2: Like she cares you know, you know, yeah, yes, yes, And. 49 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 3: So like for for us and even this pot it's 50 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 3: always great too because we love to get into the 51 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 3: intricacies of how this sting moves and everybody is all 52 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 3: is so enamored with you know, who's in the video 53 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,839 Speaker 3: and who's on the songs and all of these things. 54 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 3: I mean, maybe now they're into the producers and somewhat 55 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 3: the writers. 56 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. 57 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 3: But you've been orchestrating it from an artist, songwriter, producer 58 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 3: standpoint since the beginning, which has helped shape all of this, 59 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 3: like yeah, you know what I mean, and so you're 60 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 3: you're important so that they understand like women in this 61 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 3: business also make this motherfucker shack. 62 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: Period a lot. 63 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 2: More now, thankfully. 64 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 3: Heay. 65 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: First of all, we're gonna get it back. R and B. 66 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 3: We're gonna get it back. Bella's begin ass kick. 67 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: Just saying getting whoop? 68 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 2: What you posting? 69 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: Mighty hoodie over the head? 70 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 2: You up? 71 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 3: That's how we getting whooped? 72 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 2: Right, you're it down. 73 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: It's just I can't do it for myself. They're gonna 74 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: pull the VIDI over. 75 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 2: You got to keep that apack you now. 76 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 1: Just moments. But let's start from the beginning. Let's start 77 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: from the beginning. Let's start with. 78 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 3: Was this always a desire of yours to be in 79 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 3: the music business? Because this ship is different? 80 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 2: No, I mean, well, you got to think like I 81 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 2: didn't know I could. So I didn't grow up. I'm 82 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 2: not from LA I'm from New York. I didn't I 83 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 2: didn't know anyone that was in music like I. My 84 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 2: father loved me ZI. So then by proxy, you get 85 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 2: exposed to all the things that they list your parents 86 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 2: listen to, and I'm looking at their vinyl and listening 87 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 2: to songs over and over and over again. And I 88 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 2: didn't think about this until years later, but I was like, 89 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 2: I used to sit there, pull the jacket sleeves out 90 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 2: of albums and listen to records with the lyrics. So 91 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 2: like from then, I loved songs and lyrics and I've 92 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 2: always been a lyric girl. And it's funny now I'm like, oh, 93 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 2: I've been doing this since I was a kid, but 94 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 2: I never knew anyone that did. So when I went 95 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 2: to college, I went to USC in Los Angeles. 96 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 3: What got you to USC? Because that's not and smart. 97 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: I want to start there. 98 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 2: I was a dean scholar in high school and I. 99 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 3: Don't even know what that means. 100 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 2: It just means you get good grade. 101 00:05:56,240 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 5: No, I'm just saying, I heard yeah, yeah, so you 102 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 5: just yeah, so. 103 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 2: You ap class ap classes, and so you you only know, 104 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 2: especially back then, like you don't. I didn't know what 105 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 2: I wanted to do. I have peak kids that do 106 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 2: or they fascinate me because I just was like, I 107 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 2: don't I don't know, like my parents work jobs, you know, 108 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 2: And so you're like, I know, college from everything I 109 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 2: seen on television is how people have careers. So you 110 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 2: go to college because you're like, well that's why you 111 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 2: go to college and you get a good job. You know, 112 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 2: there's your whole life. You hear that. So I went 113 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 2: to college and I don't know if I was like, 114 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 2: this is the college I want to go all that 115 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 2: stuff that people experience. Now, I was just like, they 116 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 2: gave me the most money. I sorry USC, like cause 117 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 2: I know it's like a big teda school, but I 118 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 2: used to I literally be like, why did you pick us? 119 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 2: I'm like, they gave me the most money to go there, 120 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 2: so I picked there because we didn't have money. 121 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: And the USC is not cheap, no, but. 122 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 2: It's private, so they give you more funding. I guess. 123 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 2: So that was it. It was like I was in 124 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 2: music the whole time but didn't know. So I was 125 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 2: like doing things like this thing they used to have 126 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 2: called Songfest where they would have organizations with COMPEDE. I'd 127 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 2: work with the Black Student Union of course, because I 128 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 2: wasn't in fraternity or anything, and you would put together 129 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 2: like a show. They would take popular songs and change 130 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 2: the words and like it had a theme and you 131 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 2: perform at the shrine. And like one year I was 132 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 2: in it. The next year I was, you know, like 133 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 2: choreographing and directing it and had to get music made. 134 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 2: I was figuring it all out. I didn't know I 135 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 2: was in music. I was just doing like the song 136 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 2: fest thing, so you don't think, like it doesn't feel 137 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 2: like it's possible. And I had roommates in college that 138 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 2: were from Los Angeles that used to go to like 139 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 2: rapper videos and like all in a video, you know, 140 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 2: and I would be at home because I wasn't cool. 141 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 2: I would be at home and be like how do y'all? 142 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 2: Like how did you do that? Like how do you 143 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 2: know about videos and where artists are going to be? 144 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 2: Like that's crazy? And I loved music so much, but 145 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 2: that's not a career. Like I'm not a singer, I'm 146 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 2: not a rapper, I'm not a dancer for real, Like 147 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 2: that's not a career. So I think it was more 148 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 2: so it was like my junior year of college, this 149 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 2: guy I can't remember his name now, but He used 150 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 2: to be in one of my classes and he was 151 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 2: an engineer. He was older and he was getting ready 152 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 2: to graduate, and you know, he's an engineer major. So 153 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, you know, he's like, yeah, I'm 154 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 2: going to start my job at Coke. And I was like, 155 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 2: you don't work at Coke and as an engineer and 156 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 2: he's like, oh yeah, I just did engineering, So I could, 157 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 2: you know, have these skill set because I want to 158 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 2: be this person in business And I was like, oh 159 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 2: my god, like it never. I was like, oh, you 160 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 2: could like get an education and still like be whatever 161 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 2: you want to be. And so I was like huh 162 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 2: and he was like what. And I was like, well, 163 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 2: you know, I really like music, but you know, like 164 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 2: I'm a communications major and like I'm trying to figure 165 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 2: out like how go get a comms job somewhere or whatever. 166 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 2: And he was like, you know, how long have you 167 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 2: been working? And I was like shit, I I since 168 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 2: I was fifteen. And he's like, well, you could work anywhere, 169 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 2: like do something you want to do. And I swear 170 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 2: on everything I love because I am so corny. I 171 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 2: went back to my apartment on campus like with this 172 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 2: like determination, like a scene from a sitcom and like 173 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 2: called my parents and was like, I'm gonna work in 174 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 2: the music industry. 175 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: Off of one conversation. 176 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm dead ass serious. My parents were like okay, 177 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 2: you know, but it was like I had all this courage, 178 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 2: like I have found purpose. It was so funny. And 179 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:07,839 Speaker 2: from that moment on, I was like researching and internships 180 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 2: and like just like how do I get in? How 181 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 2: do I get in? How do I get in? And 182 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 2: you know, eventually I got an internship. 183 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: So you didn't ask none of your video of Vixen help. 184 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 2: Me, you know, take me down to bless them. Their 185 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 2: desire for music was a little different than they enjoyed 186 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 2: the fruits of hip hop. At that not so much 187 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 2: a way to say that. End up, I did not 188 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 2: say that. They just enjoyed being on set. From what 189 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 2: I understood, I was never invited, of course, because you know, 190 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 2: I'm not cool. But so I started like intern Somebody 191 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 2: introduced me to a gentleman, Kerry Gordy, who is the 192 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 2: son of Barry Gerdy, who I kind of thought it 193 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 2: was going to be an internship, but was really like, 194 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 2: damn near a full time job, which I didn't care. 195 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: You still still at this point, I am. 196 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's like great, Like I don't know if 197 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 2: you know Carrie, but like he talks really fast and 198 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 2: he's like great, I love it. And I'm just like 199 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 2: my god, like also, you know Barry Gordy and like you. 200 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I mean. 201 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 2: I'm so far removed from like you know, I'm going 202 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 2: to school full time, I'm working forty hours a week. 203 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 2: I'm like I'm doing whatever to make sure I survive. 204 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 2: And you meet a guy who's like related to Barry Gordy, 205 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 2: Like this isn't real, this is not real life. And 206 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 2: so he and his wife had a production company and 207 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 2: they no, lie, We're like we had this album we 208 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 2: finished and we need to turn all the credits in. 209 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 2: So like here I'm like going through nothing. When I 210 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 2: say I know nothing, I'm like calling, like call Aftra, okay, hi, 211 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 2: Aftra this far and I have to say that this 212 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 2: musician did this and that I mean like literally talk 213 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 2: about get it from the mud, just like go figure 214 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 2: out how to deliver an album. I'm like, I don't know. 215 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:21,319 Speaker 2: It was the hardest thing I ever did in my 216 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,079 Speaker 2: whole life, shout out to adding people. 217 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: And it was way different. 218 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 3: Phone calls and and hold, but. 219 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 2: It was please and you're like hi hi, hi, hi yah, 220 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 2: So okay, just do I put yes because and the 221 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 2: other part was it was this immense pressure. One I 222 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 2: wanted to be great, and two I didn't want to 223 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 2: mess up right, like because the first thing I learned 224 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 2: was like, if we don't turn this in, like we 225 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 2: gotta pay fees and fines. And so now I'm you know, 226 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,079 Speaker 2: I didn't know at the time, like I shouldn't have 227 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 2: probably been delivering an album, like I didn't know nothing. 228 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 2: So it's funny to me now, but like that was it. 229 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 2: And then I probably wasn't even there six months when 230 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 2: someone else that used to work there was like, you 231 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:23,839 Speaker 2: know what that Jive they're hiring and I'm like a word. 232 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, I'm gonna get you. I'm gonna get 233 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 2: you a meeting with the with the president, and I'm like, okay, 234 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:36,839 Speaker 2: you know, Like so I'm I'm so like, oh my god, 235 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 2: like Jive records, like are you kidding me? Like try 236 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 2: called quest like Will Smith, like like I was just 237 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,959 Speaker 2: I couldn't all my favorite things in the entire world, 238 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 2: and I'm like, you know, receptionist job, and I go 239 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 2: for a meeting there and you know, they're just you know, 240 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 2: they're interviewing me. Da da da da. I don't even 241 00:13:57,720 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 2: think I told them I was in college because I 242 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 2: was afraid that they wouldn't hire me. So I was like, oh, yeah, 243 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 2: I'm available and I could do whatever and it's fine 244 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 2: and blah blah blah. And they were like, Okay, I 245 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:09,439 Speaker 2: got the phone call. I tell you almost die. I 246 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 2: about died, Like I thought, like it just didn't make 247 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 2: any sense to me, you know, cause it just doesn't. 248 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 2: You don't know it again, you don't know anyone that 249 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 2: this happens for. There wasn't Instagram where everybody's famous and 250 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 2: those famous people like nobody I knew. And so now 251 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 2: you're in the office and like trave called Quest walks 252 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 2: in and you're like, you know, now you're talking to 253 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 2: camal aka q Tip and you're you know, driving them 254 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 2: around everywhere. Like that was my job was like as 255 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 2: you get home. I got hired as a receptionists. But 256 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 2: the good news was it was pretty much the satellite 257 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 2: office of the New York Office. So I did you 258 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 2: do everything everything, mail records, you know, so and so's 259 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 2: in town, drive them everywhere, like d nice, I gotta try. 260 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 2: I got a signed to to Derek when he doesn't 261 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 2: even he didn't even know this till later is so funny. 262 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 2: I'm so corny. It makes me laugh. So I was 263 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 2: assigned to him. They would rent a car for me 264 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 2: because I was too young to rent my own car, 265 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 2: and they would I would drive them around to go eat, 266 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 2: to go to whatever they were was also doing. He 267 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 2: wouldn't he was doing like TV show auditions and stuff. 268 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 2: So I would just be with him like for days 269 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 2: at a time when he was in town and like 270 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 2: his intern, basically like drive him everywhere. Years later, when 271 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 2: when he started to like his DJ thing really started 272 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 2: to be like, I don't know if you remember me, 273 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 2: but I used to like be your intern, he was 274 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 2: just like, oh yeah, because I was sitting in the audition, 275 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 2: like I got to see him do TV auditions, like 276 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 2: I got to see everything. I used to go. I 277 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 2: used to have to go. This is so long ago, 278 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 2: but I used to get sent over to Fresh Prince 279 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 2: of bel Air to go wait for Will to sign 280 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 2: all the autographs. They'd be like, go over there and 281 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 2: have him signed autographs, and. 282 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: So you would have all the pictures picture yep. 283 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 2: And I would just be sitting there like they just 284 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 2: walk by, and then Benny Madina would be like, all right, 285 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 2: you can go in now, you know, and then Will 286 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 2: would sign all the seven hundred thousand and then I 287 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 2: drive it back. I was so and I'd just be like, 288 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 2: I'm lucky as much stuff to me, you know. He 289 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 2: was so nice and I would just be like, oh 290 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 2: my god, Will Smith is nice. Oh my god, he 291 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 2: said a joke to me, like it just didn't make sense. 292 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 2: And so I love that part, like the discovery and 293 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:40,359 Speaker 2: the newness, and like I think as my career expanded, 294 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 2: that's what I started to become attracted to, which is 295 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 2: the newer generation of people and their excitement, you know, 296 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 2: the the dream in your head, Like when I met 297 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 2: you and they're like, this is Tank the new guy 298 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 2: from Virginia and he's a singer, and like I'm like, 299 00:16:57,640 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 2: and you're just you could just see like I can't 300 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 2: you know, like I'm gonna be this you know. Yeah, 301 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 2: It's like that's the wonderful. That's the part that like 302 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 2: you know that you just you cove it because you know, 303 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 2: then there becomes other times that you need to you 304 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 2: need to have sensory recall and be like, oh yeah, 305 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 2: I do love this right because because you love it, 306 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 2: and then sometimes you don't because it is a tough business. 307 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 2: It's a tough business. 308 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 3: So when do you get out of When do you 309 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 3: get out of assisting and and and doing getting autograph 310 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 3: sign to finally getting a real position somebody saying hey, 311 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 3: I think you would be great at this. 312 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:52,120 Speaker 2: So it's it's interesting. I was very again, do everything. 313 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 2: You know, you're doing the list for the parties, you're 314 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 2: I mean literally everything. And one of the things was 315 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 2: that Jive and a company called Zomba Publishing at the 316 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 2: time were connected and they were in the same building 317 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 2: and so it's a satellite office. And the woman that 318 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 2: was running that used to ask me she was not 319 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 2: a she was not proficient in R and B and 320 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 2: hip hop music. That wasn't her bag. So she'd be like, hey, 321 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 2: you know, if you want to listen to these demos 322 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 2: and you want to like da da da da da songwriters, 323 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 2: And I was like, of course, it was like a 324 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 2: light again. It's like a moment where I was like, 325 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 2: I love songwriters. I love song I was like, this 326 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 2: is what I want to do. I want to work 327 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 2: with songwriters. I don't even know what it's called that. 328 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 2: If there's a job for songwriters and publishing, publishing, right, oh, publishing, 329 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 2: Like it was just like this discovery and so I 330 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,719 Speaker 2: would listen to songs, give her things like tell her 331 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 2: what I thought was good or not, and like I 332 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 2: was answering phone, so shit, I was important. Like that 333 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 2: was exciting for me. And she was like one day 334 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 2: and they call me the baby because I was like 335 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:05,439 Speaker 2: so much younger than everybody around there, and they'd be like, 336 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 2: get into the baby to do it or whatever. We 337 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,199 Speaker 2: got to get the baby a cary, you know, we 338 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 2: gotta get the baby a car because she can't run 339 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 2: a car. Like it's just silly stuff. And she was like, 340 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 2: you know, a woman I used to work with by 341 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 2: the name of Kathleen Carrie is hiring at Sony Publishing, 342 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 2: like for a job. And I was like, it's like 343 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 2: I should call her and just you know, you should 344 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 2: meet her. And I'm like, you know, oh my god. 345 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 2: And at this time I'm not just working at Jibe. 346 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 2: I'm like meeting artists that are like you should manage me. 347 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 2: And I'm like okay, and like let's go to figure 348 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 2: out how to make a demo, and like getting to 349 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 2: an R people and like playing their stuff and then 350 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 2: almost getting a deal. So I was starting to like 351 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 2: move around before people would be like you got to 352 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 2: move around? Like I was just kind of like, well 353 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 2: we probably need some music, well we probably need some photos. 354 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 2: You know, you just were doing all of the things. 355 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 2: And she introduced me to Kathleen, and I didn't know nothing, 356 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 2: Like I really was just like I'm this, I'm bad. 357 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 2: Kathleen's like, you know, sweet, and I could tell she 358 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 2: liked me, but I did not get the job. And 359 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 2: you know, I remember calling my mom was so sad. 360 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 2: You know, I love my mom. I love my mom. 361 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 2: And I was like, Mom, yeah, they hired somebody else 362 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 2: and this and that and whatever. My Mom's like, I 363 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 2: don't know, I think that's your job. And I'm like, Mom, 364 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 2: I don't think you heard literally hired another person, not 365 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 2: my job. She's like, I don't know. I just feel 366 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 2: like it's your job. I'm like, Mom, Jesus, like you're 367 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 2: so cute, it's not my job. Two weeks later, my 368 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 2: phone is Kathleen. Kathleen was from Dallas and so she's like, harka, 369 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 2: that's like your head. She starts the conversation. I'm like hi. 370 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 2: She's like, so, I've been thinking I really like you 371 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 2: and you just don't know anything. But I just feel 372 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 2: like there's something about you that's making me feel like 373 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 2: I should see you again. So I'm confused because I'm like, 374 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 2: I know, they hire somebody else, can you come back in? 375 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:45,199 Speaker 2: And I was like yeah, right. So apparently whoever they 376 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 2: offered the job to, something weird happened and she didn't 377 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 2: get the job, and it was a she that's all 378 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 2: I know. I come in. I'm like, Okay. In my head, 379 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 2: I'm like, be calm, be cool, Like don't you know 380 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,919 Speaker 2: everything people say you like, don't get too excited, like 381 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 2: I still don't know, Like I feel like it's like 382 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 2: a thirteenth interview. At this point, I brought a CD 383 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 2: of music of things I like, things I would sign things. 384 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm all yeah. And so I'm meeting with 385 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 2: her and the number two guy and they're asking me 386 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 2: different questions and they asked me like I put my 387 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 2: favorite cover, which was risky because I did intros Ribbon 388 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 2: in the Sky because I was like I don't think 389 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 2: Stevie Wonder should ever be covered, but this is the 390 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 2: one time I felt like it did it just I 391 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 2: was just like ah everything, I knew why. And so 392 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 2: they're like, I think we'd like to hire you, right, 393 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 2: So my ass is like, okay, cool, like that sounds great, 394 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 2: Like I'm trying to be an adult. My ass is like, 395 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 2: are you I'm going insane? So I'm like cool. I 396 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 2: was like, can I can I use a restaurant? Like 397 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 2: I'm dying, I'm like trying to call my mother. I'm like, 398 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 2: oh my god, oh my god. I come back out 399 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 2: like sure, that would be wonderful. Like he let me know, 400 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 2: like the offer is, and like I'm stupid. 401 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 1: Somewhere of. 402 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 2: Your office would be your assistant. Mind you, I am 403 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 2: an assistant, So I'm like I have an assistant like 404 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 2: like this, it's not real. Like she hated me, by 405 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 2: the way, shout out to her. She was much older 406 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 2: than me at the time because she was already there. 407 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 2: So she was like who is this child? And yeah, 408 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 2: they like she was not having it. She quit after 409 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 2: like a few months. But I didn't even know how 410 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 2: to use her because I honestly she was older, So 411 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 2: part of it was like. 412 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: What I'm imagining? 413 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 2: Do you mind? 414 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 1: Don't even know how to ask for some call? But 415 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:50,199 Speaker 1: could you give me? 416 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 2: Do you think I have to take a flight? Do 417 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 2: you know I'm supposed to call the book? She's looking 418 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 2: at me, like, girl. 419 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: Said, right, I should have that when I fly. 420 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 2: They're like, she's looking like you know, And it was 421 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:16,640 Speaker 2: just big, like it was just how and why and 422 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 2: like and Kathleen, who's so wonderful, who I credit for 423 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 2: so much of of just taking a shot on me. 424 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 2: Because even after I started, I remember, since then, every 425 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 2: day I thought I was gonna get fired, right, Like 426 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 2: You're like, okay, they yeah, You're like, they don't. I 427 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 2: don't know nothing. They gave me this big ass job. 428 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 2: I got an assistant. I don't even know how to. 429 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: Use her, like, and you're at Sony. 430 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 2: Publishing, Sony Publishing Publish and I'm exactly and I'm sitting 431 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 2: in the office, my office just like. 432 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: How old are you? 433 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 2: I think that was like twenty two? Yeah, yeah, I 434 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 2: was wow. Yeah, I mean at this point now I've 435 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 2: graduated and I'm like, I don't know nothing. I know nothing. 436 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 6: So here's my question, Yeah, how did you used to 437 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 6: fill up your day. 438 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 2: That was the problem. So initially I was listening to everything, 439 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 2: like I was pulling out all the music and familiarizing 440 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 2: myself with the roster and like dreaming of where I 441 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 2: thought people should work. I can knew that much. But no, no, right, 442 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 2: I just was And Kathleen again, she walks by my 443 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 2: office and she's like, I was like, I don't really 444 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 2: know where to start, Like I was just very honest, 445 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 2: and she's like, and she used to tell this story 446 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 2: which used to make me feel so good, but she 447 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 2: was like, you know, one day I just told her 448 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 2: to pull out the directory and call people and introduce herself, 449 00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 2: and she would say it. I never had to tell 450 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 2: her anything again to that, which is not true. But 451 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 2: I appreciated that she felt like I was a self 452 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 2: starter because I was. I wanted to figure it out. 453 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 2: So then it was Hi, this is Eric Grayson Sony 454 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 2: pushing and like each person and then they'd be like, 455 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,360 Speaker 2: come on in and then you you know, and then 456 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 2: eventually you get a rhythm and you get it. But 457 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 2: it was really for me, like I didn't even know 458 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 2: then that I was in the industry, because for me, 459 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 2: I still was a kid excited to be around all 460 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 2: of these people. So I don't know, I never I 461 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 2: don't think that, like looking at myself as someone ever happened, 462 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 2: because I was always like, holy shit, that's so and so, 463 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 2: or I'm with such and such or that's and I'm 464 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 2: at this convention and like it was always just like 465 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 2: I can't believe I'm here. At some point, somebody's just 466 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,160 Speaker 2: gonna be like, dude, dude, what are you doing here? 467 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,399 Speaker 2: You know, and it never just never happens. 468 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 1: It's interesting to hear. 469 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 6: The beginning for you because it brings back a memory 470 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:07,120 Speaker 6: for me where I had my first job opportunity. 471 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: Was with Ira Jaffe. 472 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, Famous Music, yeah, which I was signed to. 473 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 6: I remember I was signed to Famous Music and then 474 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 6: Brian Pastel left and then Ira offered me his job 475 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 6: and Brian had signed me right right, and I'm like, no, like. 476 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: No other guy right. 477 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,719 Speaker 6: And I think at the time I might have been twenty, yeah, 478 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 6: nineteen twenty something around that, and I'd only been signed 479 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 6: there maybe a year if that six whatever it was, 480 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,199 Speaker 6: And I remember Ira was saying to me, he was like. 481 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you the weekend to think about it. 482 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 6: Right, and then we talked again that Monday, and we 483 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 6: talked and he could just hear it in my voice. 484 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 6: I had been fighting with it all weekend or whatever, 485 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 6: because you know. 486 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 3: In my mind, I'm like, oh man, I go from 487 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 3: being the writer and now I'm signing everybody. 488 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 1: I'm about to be cracking. And that's why I asked, like, 489 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:06,679 Speaker 1: how do you feel up your day? Because I was 490 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: even I was I was thinking about it, like when 491 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: I get there. 492 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 2: What do I do? 493 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: What would I be doing? 494 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 3: Right? 495 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: Will I not be taking these niggas calls? 496 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 6: And H was like, Jay, I think you would do 497 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 6: great at this, but I don't think it's time yet. 498 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 6: And he kind of let me off the hook, right, 499 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 6: and I'm just like, damn, I think you kind of. 500 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: Fired me already. I don't really know if I wanted it. 501 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 6: So it's just interesting for you to tell your story 502 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 6: because like I had those thoughts in my head of like, 503 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 6: how how would I do it if I was on 504 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 6: the other side of this, right, and for you to 505 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 6: and it was it's crazy because like you're practically the 506 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 6: same age when it's happened for you, So it's just wild. 507 00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 6: It's wild to hear that. 508 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 2: It's funny now, but because I always you know, now 509 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 2: I'm you know, the O G. But I always tell 510 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 2: people like nobody knows what they're doing. 511 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 5: We're unks now, Yeah, not like I like, I like, 512 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 5: I was like, I'm kind of o G. 513 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 2: I kind of dig it. 514 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: They don't mean the same as you said. 515 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 516 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 3: It was like if you're in your title, if you're 517 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 3: unk and your O G, that means you still in it. 518 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: That's you still got some cashe be feeling about. What 519 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: about they start calling you popa. 520 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:37,959 Speaker 3: Nigga? 521 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 1: That's when you that's when you ain't in it. 522 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 3: Just disrespectful to. 523 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 2: I was like, first of all, that went somewhere way 524 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 2: over there, went from. 525 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: Like what's it gets there? 526 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 3: I know, I know the disrespect you to give its 527 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 3: start running off. 528 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: My accomplished motherfucker when. 529 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 2: He takes all a shirt. Yeah, he starts doing maybe 530 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 2: I deserve you as Sony. 531 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 6: Yes, who's like the first like big artists, big writer 532 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 6: that you like, oh ship or somebody that you see 533 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 6: early on that you're like, oh this artist is about 534 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 6: to crack the writer. 535 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: The writer. 536 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think when we I say we because 537 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 2: my mentor whether he claims me or not Big John 538 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 2: and I we I think we changed publishing at that 539 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 2: time a little bit because it really wasn't artists forward. 540 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 2: It was a lot of like songwriter, singer, you know, 541 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 2: songwriter and producer and it was him to some extent 542 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 2: and Susette Williams who I will marrish forever. That was 543 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 2: like we could we could sign artists. We could like 544 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 2: we could do this different. There our senior people at 545 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 2: the time that were our cohorts, but not but much 546 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 2: older than us. We're still like signing the traditional writers. 547 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 2: We were like show you know we could sign we 548 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 2: could go after the brat or we could go after 549 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 2: you know, jay Z, who Big John ended up signing, right. 550 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 2: I tried to sign up like a joke, Like they 551 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 2: were just like how much girl, get out of here? 552 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 3: Twelve? 553 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, they were like hmm, you know, we really believe 554 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 2: in you, but not that much. But you know, it 555 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 2: was different then, and you see like Big John's not 556 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 2: his just all his accomplishments, but also like his relationship 557 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 2: with Jay it started from back then. So I think 558 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 2: like we saw the talent easily at that point. It 559 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 2: was just about competing, right, And in those days, you know, 560 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 2: I had him like he's like I was. I felt like, 561 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 2: I think I got one deal away, one deal we 562 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 2: both wanted away from him, maybe maybe more later, but 563 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 2: which was Dutch. I said that we'd be clubbing, and 564 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 2: I remember and I got Andrew and we were going, yeah, 565 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 2: and we were going I mean when I say like 566 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 2: he was doing all the things like I was like, 567 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 2: oh my god, I have to go back to the company. 568 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 2: And it was so funny because when I got the 569 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 2: deal and John is we're both our birthdays are three 570 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 2: days apart other than the years, but like our we're 571 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 2: both scorpios and competitive, you know. And I remember because 572 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 2: I love John and I remember seeing him as like 573 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 2: the b and my awards after, like are you mad 574 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 2: at me? And he was like, what, no, He's probably like, girl, 575 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 2: you got one out of nineteen deals. 576 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: I ain't thinking about it. 577 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 2: But in my head I was like, I hope he's 578 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 2: not mad at me, you know, for winning a deal, 579 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 2: like cause I just he just meant so much to me. 580 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 2: But I also was like I wasn't gonna let the 581 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 2: deal go right. So it was that and we'd be 582 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 2: clubbing was so big and it was exciting. It was 583 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 2: attached to a movie like I was popping, you know 584 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 2: in my head. But you know I was just like, 585 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 2: oh I did something, and you just learn, like you 586 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 2: just learned. You learn what's a good deal, what's not 587 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 2: a good deal? Like you just have that, you know, 588 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 2: you have that thing. So I think everyone at that 589 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 2: time we were all kind of going after it wasn't. 590 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 2: I don't think I had some special vision. I just 591 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 2: think we were all like, this is how signed, you know, 592 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 2: and then either you wanted or you didn't, Like you 593 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 2: won the deal or you didn't. 594 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: So how did okay? 595 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 6: For the for the audience, right and for people who 596 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 6: don't really know much about that side of the music business, 597 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 6: what were you for you? Because obviously, you know, times 598 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 6: are different, but certain things still remain. 599 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: What were things that made you want to sign a writer? Producer? 600 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 6: Are this writer? What those things like? What were some 601 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 6: of the things that stuck out? What you were like, yeah, like, okay, 602 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,399 Speaker 6: this looks like somebody I would want to work with 603 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 6: or sounds like somebody I would want to work with. 604 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 2: It was it grew different over time, like because you 605 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 2: also start to recognize, like I was lyric and melody 606 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,320 Speaker 2: for me, was like more my thing, right, which again 607 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 2: I didn't. It wasn't automatic. I wasn't like, oh I'm 608 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 2: into lyric and melody. It was more what I discovered 609 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 2: about myself over time. So I liked writers, you know, 610 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:40,799 Speaker 2: I liked you know, I got that handled babyfaces, you know, 611 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,360 Speaker 2: camp catalog everything when I was at Sony, So I 612 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:49,360 Speaker 2: mean that was babyface, right. So I liked beats, I 613 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,359 Speaker 2: loved I obviously loved hip hop and from New York. 614 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 2: But it was really about what things would say and 615 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 2: when I my god, I'm like, this is so funny. 616 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 2: When I I was a kid, before before music videos, 617 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,839 Speaker 2: before MTV ladies and gentlemen, which actually was a thing, 618 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,439 Speaker 2: I used to sit in the car with my head 619 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 2: back when my parents were playing music, and my parents 620 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 2: would be like, what are you doing, and I'd say, 621 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,839 Speaker 2: I'm making music movies and I would make videos up 622 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 2: in my head to the songs that were playing. 623 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 1: Right, So, because they were so vivid. 624 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 2: They were so vivid, and the songs, the lyrics, the 625 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 2: story is what always captivated me. And so for me 626 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 2: it was about like, yeah, of course, like they're working 627 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 2: with so and so, and they have this potential in 628 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,720 Speaker 2: that potential, but it was also just like from talent, 629 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 2: it was someone who could tell a great story. And 630 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 2: it's still that way to me. I think it still matters. 631 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 2: I don't think that would. I hope that never changes. 632 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,919 Speaker 6: I mean I personally don't think it ever will. Yeah, 633 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,319 Speaker 6: that part of the music business, I think, you know, 634 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:58,839 Speaker 6: because it's it evokes emotion. Yeah, like you said, like 635 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,959 Speaker 6: I love you got to have the track for sure, 636 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 6: but like when you find the writer that can really 637 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,799 Speaker 6: tell you a story and really put you into a 638 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 6: place so that you can make music movies, you. 639 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 2: Know what I mean? 640 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,880 Speaker 1: Like that, that's just a whole other level. 641 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 3: That is absolutely and it's like even as we said, 642 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,840 Speaker 3: bringing today's time, whether it's where it's R and B 643 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:26,400 Speaker 3: a track don't matter. That story yeah, of whoever it 644 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 3: is walking down their street in their hood, right, and 645 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 3: the play by play of what that looks like. 646 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 2: It's so real. Like if you think about just like now, 647 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 2: like modern times, if you take someone like Charlie Hansom, right, 648 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:45,799 Speaker 2: who's a producer and an instrumentalist. Charlie is like you know, 649 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,800 Speaker 2: when I met him, he had just done fade for 650 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 2: for for and I think works with thug Travis, Like, 651 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 2: I mean, like all the all the guys is now 652 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 2: Morgan Whelan, you know him, and j Cash and and 653 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,759 Speaker 2: and post and like, to me, it's like that just 654 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 2: shows you how transferable you know, story is. It's just 655 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 2: what venue is it in? 656 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:13,960 Speaker 4: Right? 657 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,800 Speaker 2: Like is it in country and you're talking about whiskey 658 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 2: and you know the love you've never had? Or are 659 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,880 Speaker 2: you talking about you know? So I always find like, 660 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 2: to me, those examples are so extraordinary because it really 661 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,719 Speaker 2: is that way. And I think that's that gave me 662 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 2: a lot of benefit. Like even before I could really articulate, 663 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,400 Speaker 2: like articulate what it was, it was like I could 664 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:41,320 Speaker 2: see where someone else could be that they weren't already 665 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,359 Speaker 2: as writers. Yeah, I think that if I had a superpower, 666 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 2: I'd be like, you should be writing this, Like you 667 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,440 Speaker 2: should be doing more pop, more global, more that, more this, 668 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 2: even though you're writing R and B records or you're 669 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:56,799 Speaker 2: doing whatever. 670 00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:00,719 Speaker 6: So as a publisher, right because then you know the 671 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 6: other side of that is what does a publisher do? 672 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 3: Right? So? 673 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: And we all know and in any. 674 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,799 Speaker 6: Job you can pick you can pinpoint and pick out 675 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 6: the things someone doesn't do. Everybody always you know, everybody 676 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 6: wants to put a spotlight on you don't do this, 677 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,239 Speaker 6: and you didn't do that, and you just chased the 678 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,600 Speaker 6: charge or you got blah blah blah blah. But like, 679 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,840 Speaker 6: as a publisher, so when someone would sign to Sony 680 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 6: and they would sign and you would sign them, what 681 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,839 Speaker 6: would what were the things that you felt like, Okay, 682 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,120 Speaker 6: as a publisher, this is what I need to do 683 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 6: to get them to this next place. 684 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,359 Speaker 2: Well, I think it would start with like introducing them 685 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 2: to and our people that maybe they didn't know, right, 686 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,799 Speaker 2: Like that was initially like the very basic things of 687 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,560 Speaker 2: like publishing, of like oh okay, here's just new writers 688 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,879 Speaker 2: or just whatever. Them having a HiT's helpful because they 689 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,799 Speaker 2: want to know them. But then you're like, let's put 690 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,200 Speaker 2: them in community, like what other writers and what other 691 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 2: producers do they not know? Let's put them with their 692 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:07,720 Speaker 2: with their their other halves or their other cohorts. Because 693 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 2: you're like, you may be writing with so and so 694 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,879 Speaker 2: all the time, but what would happen if you tried 695 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:17,640 Speaker 2: writing with this person? And then then you learn, even 696 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,520 Speaker 2: as a publishers and a young executive, like writers come 697 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,320 Speaker 2: away from that with new things as well. So they develop. Also, 698 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,279 Speaker 2: it's not just like oh I put them together and 699 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,040 Speaker 2: there's this new chemistry and now it's they got a hit. 700 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 2: It's also like they came away better at something, and 701 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,160 Speaker 2: so then you just start taking them on a journey 702 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 2: and then you try stuff like you would be like, huh, 703 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,399 Speaker 2: it would be interesting to see what would happen if 704 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,120 Speaker 2: you put you know, this person and that person together. 705 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 2: Sometimes it's trash and sometimes it isn't, but you can't 706 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,880 Speaker 2: be afraid it's funny. A producer I ran into, like 707 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 2: recently at the ASCAP Awards was like so excited to 708 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,719 Speaker 2: see me. I had worked with them actually in my 709 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,640 Speaker 2: sony days, who is now managing who dragged me over 710 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,839 Speaker 2: to their writer who had won an award and was like, 711 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,000 Speaker 2: remember the story I told you about the young the 712 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,520 Speaker 2: executive that told me don't be afraid to be whack. 713 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,920 Speaker 1: This is her. 714 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 2: Oh god, I said that it was kind of sounds 715 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,240 Speaker 2: like something I would say, but that but that is true. 716 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,040 Speaker 2: Like I used to be like, don't be afraid really 717 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 2: to try things, Like I'm of an efficient speaker, so 718 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:27,719 Speaker 2: I was like, don't be whack, don't be afraid to 719 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,160 Speaker 2: be whack. But it was like, why not, because you 720 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,200 Speaker 2: don't know what beauty is gonna come of that collaboration. 721 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,520 Speaker 2: And so that, to me, in addition to like shopping 722 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,320 Speaker 2: their songs and all that other stuff, is the ultimate 723 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:47,839 Speaker 2: best you could do for a writer because you're introducing 724 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:52,920 Speaker 2: them to what could be the evolution of themselves, you know, 725 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,080 Speaker 2: and that's profound. You I mean, you guys are both writers, 726 00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,160 Speaker 2: you know, Like it's profound to learn things from people 727 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:00,800 Speaker 2: you just didn't even think was possible. 728 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,319 Speaker 1: He's one hundred percenter guy. 729 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:07,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, he never he's over there 730 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:08,719 Speaker 2: like I don't do that collaboration. 731 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:10,719 Speaker 1: It was so funny. This is funny. I don't know 732 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:10,960 Speaker 1: if you. 733 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 3: Saw this right, because because they they posted like they 734 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,000 Speaker 3: have this thing where they talk about records that you've done, 735 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 3: so had they did that for me just randomly, right, 736 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:29,279 Speaker 3: I just randomly saw it, and I'm going down I'm 737 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,200 Speaker 3: reading the comments and they're like, there's a lot of 738 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:33,160 Speaker 3: Tank records on here. 739 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,440 Speaker 1: I guess he ain't really one hundred percent. 740 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:42,080 Speaker 3: I'm like, this is hilarious because how people take things. 741 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:43,840 Speaker 1: It's just so funny. 742 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, and you know, because when he did his he 743 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,120 Speaker 6: did his drink champs, and he talked about you know, 744 00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 6: being one hundred percenter and writing records. 745 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 1: He did not ever say though, I don't collaborate. He 746 00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:59,279 Speaker 1: never said that, right learned that someone had to learn. 747 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:05,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's I mean, you do meet incredible talent 748 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:12,200 Speaker 2: and you're like, listen, even though you can do everything, 749 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,560 Speaker 2: imagine what somebody else might bring to your know. 750 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:20,520 Speaker 6: It was so surprising when I met him years ago 751 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,480 Speaker 6: and I understood that, you know, all the shit that 752 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,279 Speaker 6: he could do, and I'm like, damn, he really is 753 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,480 Speaker 6: cool with everybody just working though, and everybody you know, 754 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,520 Speaker 6: chiming in and this person having this idea because I 755 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,400 Speaker 6: do know a couple other one hundred percent. 756 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,759 Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah, nobody, no, no, ya, I don't want 757 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:40,440 Speaker 1: anyone any room. 758 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,920 Speaker 3: Yeah what nig you just you just want to be 759 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,840 Speaker 3: in there by yourself. Yeah, you hang out with you, 760 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:46,839 Speaker 3: I meet the room. 761 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:51,360 Speaker 2: The first time I've had a session like that, I 762 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,160 Speaker 2: was confused. I'm not gonna lie where. I was like 763 00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,920 Speaker 2: as an an R and didn't. They didn't want the 764 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:03,760 Speaker 2: producer there either, and I was like, but the producers 765 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,960 Speaker 2: are good, okay, And then I had to go like 766 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:11,200 Speaker 2: call and get another studio room and be like they 767 00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,200 Speaker 2: need to be in there by themselves. 768 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,160 Speaker 1: People just take themselves too serious and gonna take. 769 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,719 Speaker 2: The beat over there, and the producers are like, I'm like, well, 770 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,600 Speaker 2: you could just work on more beats. Like, I don't 771 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,440 Speaker 2: know what's at this point. I don't know. It's so 772 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:23,560 Speaker 2: awkward to me. 773 00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:30,400 Speaker 3: It's like everyone has their process, everyone has I mean, 774 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,800 Speaker 3: if they're getting results there, I will allow it, you 775 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,120 Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. But at the same time, I'm 776 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:44,080 Speaker 3: of the mind of you know, if if, if, if 777 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,759 Speaker 3: we're all really good, yeah and we all sitting. 778 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,319 Speaker 1: Here, our chances are better, oh man, are better? Yeah, yeah, 779 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:52,000 Speaker 1: we ain't. None. 780 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,319 Speaker 3: Don't get left on the floor because somebody going to know, 781 00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,760 Speaker 3: don't don't don't remember this facts. 782 00:43:58,880 --> 00:43:59,759 Speaker 1: We've had so many of those. 783 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:09,520 Speaker 2: Mom Come on, man, it's really true. 784 00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,400 Speaker 6: Because I want to go to because it's something that 785 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:18,239 Speaker 6: he brought up earlier, you guys connection, Oh yeah, because 786 00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,000 Speaker 6: that's before it's you know what I mean. 787 00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:22,680 Speaker 1: I want to. I want to. 788 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,440 Speaker 6: I want to tap into that because you know the 789 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,360 Speaker 6: other part too with with you know, they're always like, 790 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,160 Speaker 6: well the discovery on R and B money, Yes, right, 791 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:35,880 Speaker 6: when we have we have artists, we have executives, writers, everything. 792 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:40,080 Speaker 6: But I always wanted I always wanted to highlight the 793 00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:46,120 Speaker 6: connected fiber and I know you know what I mean, Like, 794 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,439 Speaker 6: you know, I know how we connect. But I think 795 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,880 Speaker 6: it starts with tank. It does even before it starts. 796 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, I think so, I think so. So. 797 00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:01,839 Speaker 2: I I was sick of working. So I've always been 798 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,719 Speaker 2: an intra ultrapreneur or whatever. I was always working in 799 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,319 Speaker 2: and out of companies, like the corporate structure. I think 800 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,280 Speaker 2: when I started to feel like it didn't make sense 801 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,840 Speaker 2: in terms of business, maybe that lack of control, I 802 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:20,600 Speaker 2: would be like, eh, this isn't like, this isn't We're 803 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,080 Speaker 2: gonna go through an era. And I was usually right 804 00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,399 Speaker 2: that things were changing in a way that I wasn't 805 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,960 Speaker 2: excited about. So at Sony it was like that. I 806 00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,920 Speaker 2: was just like, you know, I really love writer producers. 807 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,879 Speaker 2: There were so many that were asking me to manage them. 808 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,680 Speaker 2: Back then, you were like, no, I have a job. 809 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,520 Speaker 2: Nowadays everybody's doing everything. God bless them, take all the money. 810 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,880 Speaker 2: But I was always like, you know, it was a choice. 811 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,319 Speaker 2: It wasn't like a dot. At the same time, and 812 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:55,840 Speaker 2: Barry Hankerson and you know, Jomo Hankerson, who I adore, 813 00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,480 Speaker 2: was like, yo, you know we're doing this publish thing 814 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,319 Speaker 2: with em. I like you can come like help us 815 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,799 Speaker 2: do that. So I was like, okay, if I do 816 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,640 Speaker 2: that manage producers, I'm like, all right, I'm out. 817 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:10,439 Speaker 3: So I quit. 818 00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,120 Speaker 2: I quit. I was like, all right, I'm gonna go 819 00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,840 Speaker 2: do and that. I mean, listen, my deal was up. 820 00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:21,399 Speaker 2: You know, we are executives, got deals, and my deal 821 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:25,919 Speaker 2: was up and they hadn't spoken to me in time. 822 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:27,960 Speaker 2: And my humble opinion because I was like, well, they 823 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,000 Speaker 2: ain't come, so I better figure it out anyway. Then 824 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,040 Speaker 2: they want to sit down and be like, so what 825 00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:34,600 Speaker 2: are we going to do for the next deal? And 826 00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:40,040 Speaker 2: I was like, you know, like cause I'm you know, 827 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,520 Speaker 2: I'm moving. I'm still the girl that's like, there's no 828 00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:50,440 Speaker 2: stopping the babies on the go. So I was consulting 829 00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:58,799 Speaker 2: for Blackgrounds, which was very It was Aliyah Rest in Peace, 830 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:04,480 Speaker 2: Static Major, this guy over here, Eric seats like, oh 831 00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:09,920 Speaker 2: my gosh, like the talent is just insane, Rap and Nissan. 832 00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:15,000 Speaker 2: I mean it was like everyone that everyone that Major 833 00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,760 Speaker 2: favorite hits right really truly, especially especially R and b honestly, 834 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,960 Speaker 2: and I was somehow supposed to run the publishing company, 835 00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,400 Speaker 2: which when I say that, because it was a small 836 00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:34,400 Speaker 2: company and everyone had to do everything. So I think 837 00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,840 Speaker 2: Jomo when I first started, because this is back in 838 00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,000 Speaker 2: New York now, Jrumo was like in Australia working on 839 00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:46,280 Speaker 2: Aliah's al and so I'm there for least a month, like, hey, 840 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:51,160 Speaker 2: is somebody coming in to work. We're gonna be there 841 00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:56,720 Speaker 2: next week, child, next week was like months. I was like, okay, listen, 842 00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,359 Speaker 2: and you start picking up and you're you know, doing 843 00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:04,520 Speaker 2: the things or trying to organize this craziness and brokering 844 00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,640 Speaker 2: the deal with em I, which was cool, and dealing 845 00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:12,520 Speaker 2: with all of them, and then Los Angeles at Jomo's hotel, 846 00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,520 Speaker 2: He's like, we signed this guy. You know he's gonna 847 00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,440 Speaker 2: be this and that. He's the church kid. But we're gone, 848 00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:25,160 Speaker 2: we're gonna church kid. We're gonna get him out of that. Sorry, 849 00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:26,439 Speaker 2: I love you. 850 00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,600 Speaker 1: And I was I had no. 851 00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,880 Speaker 2: Idea, you know me, I'm believing it, like, oh no, 852 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:35,080 Speaker 2: don't hurt the church guy. 853 00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,080 Speaker 1: Drive around the hood. 854 00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:45,080 Speaker 2: The church guy, yes, said, he comes in and this 855 00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,360 Speaker 2: is Tank. Tank's a writer and a producer and a 856 00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,320 Speaker 2: singer and this and that, and I was like, wow, 857 00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:56,239 Speaker 2: like he was so the same honestly and just like 858 00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:00,400 Speaker 2: really pen and voice was very impressive, like and still 859 00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:05,520 Speaker 2: even then was reminiscent of you know, old school soul 860 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,040 Speaker 2: like even then, like even then, it wasn't like it 861 00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:09,920 Speaker 2: was unique in that. 862 00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:11,240 Speaker 1: As a young punk. 863 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:20,080 Speaker 2: No, I was like young, but you were green in 864 00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:24,240 Speaker 2: the ways of like I remember being worried about you. 865 00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:25,240 Speaker 2: Is that weird? 866 00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:31,479 Speaker 1: No, I remember being like are. 867 00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:37,120 Speaker 2: You I was like, I don't know, he seems so 868 00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:43,440 Speaker 2: nice and oh boy, you know, I listen. Blackground was different. 869 00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:49,120 Speaker 2: It was different, yeah, Berry, you know, managing the guy, 870 00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,719 Speaker 2: the Kelly guy and the and the Yeah, it was 871 00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:56,440 Speaker 2: a different life. So I was definitely like it was. 872 00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,160 Speaker 1: A hood label. 873 00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,640 Speaker 3: It was a street hood. 874 00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:06,279 Speaker 2: It was label full of R and B singers, full 875 00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:06,759 Speaker 2: of R. 876 00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:11,160 Speaker 3: And B singers, and all of our management and administration 877 00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:13,960 Speaker 3: was all from the streets. 878 00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:16,320 Speaker 2: That is all of them true. 879 00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,080 Speaker 3: Like I literally would get picked up in the morning, 880 00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:26,400 Speaker 3: oh gosh, and be driven around l A from Inglewood 881 00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:30,160 Speaker 3: the contents to this is my little Niga tank. 882 00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:34,040 Speaker 2: I know who that is. I know who that one was. 883 00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:35,920 Speaker 3: This is my little nigga tank. 884 00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:38,920 Speaker 1: To keep an eye for. 885 00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:43,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, facts, yep, yep, see ray yep. 886 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,239 Speaker 3: And I was like, I. 887 00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:51,080 Speaker 2: Knew when everybody when everyone. 888 00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,520 Speaker 3: First, yeah, but I didn't know what that meant. Like 889 00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,120 Speaker 3: I'm from these coasts. You know what I'm saying. You 890 00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:57,959 Speaker 3: know my few guys, you know what I'm saying. Whatever 891 00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,600 Speaker 3: it is, But we are driving from sun up to 892 00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:04,680 Speaker 3: sundown and introducing me to people on different blocks who 893 00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,759 Speaker 3: run all these different blocks and do all these different things. 894 00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:09,600 Speaker 1: And I'm like, what does this have to do? What 895 00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,160 Speaker 1: does it have to do with music? Any of these 896 00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:13,439 Speaker 1: guys producing song? 897 00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:22,200 Speaker 2: I mean, you have to know I knew. I knew when. 898 00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,360 Speaker 2: Oh my god, this is so funny. I can't believe 899 00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:30,799 Speaker 2: I knew when every all the executives had nicknames, that 900 00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:31,760 Speaker 2: something was different. 901 00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:32,959 Speaker 1: Hmm. 902 00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:37,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, no one had like a real government name, and 903 00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,799 Speaker 2: that was different. I would be like, oh, who is 904 00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,520 Speaker 2: this one? And G such and such and Hugets such 905 00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,080 Speaker 2: and such, and you know. 906 00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,920 Speaker 1: I was like, huh, I had seen things I had 907 00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:50,360 Speaker 1: never seen before. 908 00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,160 Speaker 2: I had seen things I want to unsee. 909 00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:58,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, things I can talk about. I remember going to 910 00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:03,920 Speaker 3: New York and and they're like, this is von'sip, He's 911 00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,320 Speaker 3: gonna be looking out for you while you know. I'm like, okay. 912 00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,279 Speaker 3: I would just roll around with Von Zip around New 913 00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:15,439 Speaker 3: York and he would take me two different garages where 914 00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,520 Speaker 3: he housed all his cars. He had cars, and damn 915 00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:23,919 Speaker 3: near every garage in Manhattan. He was nice, really nice 916 00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,000 Speaker 3: upscale cars. And I'm like, we will take you to 917 00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,279 Speaker 3: see my mother. And then something I had never seen 918 00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:30,919 Speaker 3: before in my life. 919 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:33,359 Speaker 1: We go to a club. 920 00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,480 Speaker 3: And we get into this club and the people in 921 00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,600 Speaker 3: the club is just not treating Vaughn the way he 922 00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:44,160 Speaker 3: felt like he needed to be treated. So he said, 923 00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,719 Speaker 3: all right, let's go. We all show these motherfuckers. We 924 00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:52,480 Speaker 3: go to the to the car Cadillac, he hits the trump. 925 00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,960 Speaker 3: There's two coolers. We're in the parking lot of the club. 926 00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:06,000 Speaker 3: There's champag and there's ice cooler cooler. He turns the 927 00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:11,440 Speaker 3: music on, blasts starts inviting everybody who's waiting in line 928 00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,760 Speaker 3: to get into the club to come into the parking 929 00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,200 Speaker 3: lot and party and drink with us. 930 00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:22,839 Speaker 6: So club Tailgate, Club, I'm trying to follow this whole thing. 931 00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:28,279 Speaker 3: Club Tailgate, and we out there in the parking lot, 932 00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:28,719 Speaker 3: which is. 933 00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:32,239 Speaker 2: Possible having a time right. 934 00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,880 Speaker 1: And he's just you know, he's hosted. 935 00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:50,200 Speaker 2: I'm just like Hugger, Huggy Bear, Flint brown Sugar, Brown 936 00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:55,879 Speaker 2: Sugar that did not know. One had to. 937 00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:01,200 Speaker 1: Happy to be here. I have no idea what's going on. 938 00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:03,920 Speaker 2: I kind of did and didn't. Right. It was like 939 00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,560 Speaker 2: I know enough to not want to be driving around, 940 00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,520 Speaker 2: but I didn't know too much, so I would just 941 00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:12,319 Speaker 2: go do my job. 942 00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:19,440 Speaker 1: You were smarter than I was, Like it you know what. 943 00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:29,399 Speaker 2: I don't. I don't. Okay, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're 944 00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:30,200 Speaker 2: gonna take care of him. 945 00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,080 Speaker 1: He can be as How long were you at Blackground? 946 00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:38,080 Speaker 2: So I consulted for Blackground for two years, sadly when 947 00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:42,160 Speaker 2: baby Girl passed away, which was a whole other thing. 948 00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:47,520 Speaker 2: But but I was always like I was consulting with them. 949 00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:52,759 Speaker 2: I was managing producers. I was they brought me. I 950 00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:58,600 Speaker 2: was managing god so many people. It was just random. 951 00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,120 Speaker 2: It was just always like I was getting hired to 952 00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,440 Speaker 2: help work on projects, and that was like I enjoyed 953 00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,560 Speaker 2: it for a long time. And then I think I 954 00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:11,480 Speaker 2: worked with like Gosh who all focused. We did a 955 00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:16,359 Speaker 2: deal with doctor Dre. I was working with at the time, 956 00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,240 Speaker 2: it was like the number one DJ in the country, 957 00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:22,120 Speaker 2: which was Phelli Fell I was working with. I mean, 958 00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:26,920 Speaker 2: he was god everything back then we were working. I 959 00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:31,759 Speaker 2: was working with Geez, I mean like people, you know, 960 00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:35,000 Speaker 2: they knew me. No, I was working with oh Isis. 961 00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,239 Speaker 2: So there was this group called Isis back in the 962 00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,160 Speaker 2: day that had a song called single for the Rest 963 00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,479 Speaker 2: of Your Life, which was amazing. I love that song 964 00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:48,040 Speaker 2: this day. And there was a guy named Quadrilamin who 965 00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:51,920 Speaker 2: was managing boys to men who had Isis and it 966 00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,120 Speaker 2: was like could not He was like, I don't have 967 00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:57,279 Speaker 2: time for this new group. Basically, can you come in 968 00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:00,360 Speaker 2: and work with them? I did the Maya Mega and 969 00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,480 Speaker 2: Megan's sister Lamaya was in the group, which was We're 970 00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,080 Speaker 2: cool to this day. When I met Megan good, like, 971 00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:10,400 Speaker 2: it's so crazy how everyone's still here, just bigger and better, 972 00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,560 Speaker 2: I think so, like it was fun, like that was 973 00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:15,400 Speaker 2: a fun time, but I moved around so much. I 974 00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:19,360 Speaker 2: felt like that was sort of how the inner scope 975 00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:23,440 Speaker 2: of it all started to happen, because they were looking 976 00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:28,120 Speaker 2: for someone apparently that could kind of self manage and 977 00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,239 Speaker 2: move like. I didn't know that at the time, but 978 00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,719 Speaker 2: it was like being called in for a meeting. And 979 00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:37,920 Speaker 2: Jimmy was someone who I as an executive, was on 980 00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:41,279 Speaker 2: my list of people. Right. It was like Susanda Pass 981 00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:43,560 Speaker 2: It was because she was to me, is the first 982 00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:45,799 Speaker 2: day in R. Ever she signed the Jackson five, so 983 00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,239 Speaker 2: like she's the best person ever in the business ever. 984 00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,800 Speaker 2: And Jimmy, you know, for all the reasons. He was 985 00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,480 Speaker 2: also cool. He was from Brooklyn, Like, he didn't dress 986 00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,600 Speaker 2: like other executives. He wore a hat. I was like, 987 00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:59,520 Speaker 2: oh my god, the guy wears jeans and sneakers. Like 988 00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:01,960 Speaker 2: what's not the love about him? You know? And so 989 00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,760 Speaker 2: when I got the phone call to take the meeting 990 00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:06,759 Speaker 2: and they were like, hey, we think we want you 991 00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:08,960 Speaker 2: to do an R, and I was like, you know that, 992 00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,000 Speaker 2: you know that could be cool, but going inside a 993 00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,280 Speaker 2: company here's me again, just sounded. 994 00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:15,799 Speaker 1: Like Wow, at this point, you haven't done A and R. 995 00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:19,960 Speaker 2: No, No, you're doing it, but you're not doing it. 996 00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:24,240 Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, you're helping, Yeah, exactly, you're helping make records, 997 00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,760 Speaker 2: but again you do You're like, I'm not an A 998 00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:30,560 Speaker 2: and R. So then they said the magic thing, which 999 00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,680 Speaker 2: is like we'll just come meet with Jimmy was like Jimmy, 1000 00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:39,840 Speaker 2: I mean Jimmy, I mean like sure, you know, I 1001 00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:43,520 Speaker 2: mean y ivy, I mean you know if you insist, yeah, 1002 00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:47,160 Speaker 2: I mean sure. And then you meet Jimmy and there's 1003 00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:52,160 Speaker 2: just no not doing like when you meet Jimmy especially 1004 00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:56,480 Speaker 2: then there's just no not wanting to work with him. 1005 00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:01,520 Speaker 2: Like he's just too special. And I'm glad that he 1006 00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:05,360 Speaker 2: ended up doing the documentary when he did, because it 1007 00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,000 Speaker 2: was it's always so hard to describe, you know, for 1008 00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:12,560 Speaker 2: people that didn't experience, you know, his vision and his brilliance, 1009 00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,480 Speaker 2: his charisma and all those things. So you can now 1010 00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,000 Speaker 2: just be like, oh, see the movie, right, because that's 1011 00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:22,040 Speaker 2: literally how it was. Every day. It was chaotic. I mean, 1012 00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:23,760 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna hold you like it was not like 1013 00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:29,200 Speaker 2: there was. It was chaotic, but he had a view 1014 00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,800 Speaker 2: and a point of view and a vision and an 1015 00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:36,680 Speaker 2: ability to spot talent that like was just i'ned. I 1016 00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:42,600 Speaker 2: learned so much just working there, because you got to 1017 00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,360 Speaker 2: see even the way he thought about music was different, 1018 00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,720 Speaker 2: Like he was like he was the first people that 1019 00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:53,480 Speaker 2: was like you know, what do you just say sell 1020 00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:56,840 Speaker 2: the T shirt and give the CD away for free, right, 1021 00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,960 Speaker 2: which was like this idea that people weren't valuing music 1022 00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,560 Speaker 2: the same way. And so if you sold the experience 1023 00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:06,400 Speaker 2: of music, right, if you give them, if you put 1024 00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,040 Speaker 2: it in a venue or a product or a thing, 1025 00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,520 Speaker 2: that people because people loved music. It wasn't that it 1026 00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,440 Speaker 2: was that this idea of like buying a CD was 1027 00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:19,880 Speaker 2: getting old and antiquated. He knew that way early, Like 1028 00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,760 Speaker 2: that's why the headphones became a thing. That's why the 1029 00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:27,080 Speaker 2: Pussycat Dolls were a brand. 1030 00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:31,240 Speaker 3: The journey for you is like so interesting, right of course, 1031 00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:33,800 Speaker 3: starting in the beginning where you say you you you 1032 00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:37,560 Speaker 3: were you were kind of developed, developing this thing that 1033 00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:42,640 Speaker 3: you just ended up being anyway, right, And so as 1034 00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:46,080 Speaker 3: you just as you reflect on your on your journey 1035 00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:51,080 Speaker 3: in the business, like what is the part that you've 1036 00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,200 Speaker 3: played so many parts? What is the part that you 1037 00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,080 Speaker 3: play and I'm just say played would play that? Like 1038 00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:59,120 Speaker 3: to you is like this is this is where I 1039 00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,760 Speaker 3: really love to live, you know what I mean, whether 1040 01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:05,160 Speaker 3: it be defining the writer or finding the artist, or 1041 01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:09,640 Speaker 3: or cultivating the album or your anr And you know, 1042 01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:11,720 Speaker 3: like what part of it like for you is like 1043 01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,560 Speaker 3: where you like get you get the smile and like, 1044 01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:16,280 Speaker 3: oh yeah, I'm about to kill this because this is 1045 01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,120 Speaker 3: what I you know, this where I like to get 1046 01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:19,000 Speaker 3: the hands dirty. 1047 01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:23,920 Speaker 2: It's funny because when I started to look at there 1048 01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:27,960 Speaker 2: was pre pandemic generalists and multi hyphenans and all that 1049 01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:29,760 Speaker 2: was like not a thing. You were just like, girl, 1050 01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:31,760 Speaker 2: what are you doing? Like you're doing this, You're doing that, 1051 01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:34,240 Speaker 2: You're doing this. I don't understand. Like so much stuff 1052 01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:38,520 Speaker 2: was like post it. Now, I think everybody kind of 1053 01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:42,160 Speaker 2: figured out like it's okay to lean into your talents 1054 01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:45,400 Speaker 2: or your purpose or whatever your what you want to do. 1055 01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:46,160 Speaker 1: But pivot. 1056 01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, like the pivot right. It became a thing where 1057 01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:50,240 Speaker 2: I was like, hey, when I was doing that, y'all 1058 01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:53,520 Speaker 2: was like what are you doing? Right? So I think 1059 01:00:53,680 --> 01:01:00,280 Speaker 2: where I've learned that I love is helping people fill 1060 01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:06,480 Speaker 2: in the white open spaces. So whether that is away 1061 01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:11,720 Speaker 2: musically or an extension of a business that they don't 1062 01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:17,480 Speaker 2: see because it's learned that from Jimmy, or creating something 1063 01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:22,240 Speaker 2: that hasn't existed, or seeing a way through that's a 1064 01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:26,280 Speaker 2: challenge that could help something be bigger. That's the thing 1065 01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:30,760 Speaker 2: that gets me like that. The challenging things is like 1066 01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:36,920 Speaker 2: you know, happily and also sometimes to my dismay, is 1067 01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:38,760 Speaker 2: the thing I love the most, And I say to 1068 01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:40,760 Speaker 2: my dismay because it's like the hard thing so right, 1069 01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:43,040 Speaker 2: Like it's like, oh, that's super hard. 1070 01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:46,240 Speaker 6: To do that. You can't always find the pieces to 1071 01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:46,680 Speaker 6: the puzzle. 1072 01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:50,160 Speaker 2: And I love to find the pieces to the puzzle. 1073 01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:54,600 Speaker 2: I love even now to talk to like young artists, 1074 01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:58,280 Speaker 2: young managers, like they're so stuck and you're like, oh, 1075 01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:00,240 Speaker 2: if you do this, did you ever think about And 1076 01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:03,480 Speaker 2: they just come away like, oh, you unlock something for them, 1077 01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:07,240 Speaker 2: you know. Or you talk to a business person, you know. 1078 01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,880 Speaker 2: I have a client, Malcolm Lee, who is a director 1079 01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:16,840 Speaker 2: who you know, it's like he loves music. He's an 1080 01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:22,640 Speaker 2: amazing director and he loves music, always has And when 1081 01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:24,720 Speaker 2: I go back and look at his films and First 1082 01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:27,520 Speaker 2: Best Man and Girls, you just see how music plays 1083 01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:30,600 Speaker 2: a role in all of it. And you're like, how 1084 01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:32,480 Speaker 2: do I get more involved in music? How do I 1085 01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:34,640 Speaker 2: be more in the music and business? I'm like, and 1086 01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:37,400 Speaker 2: I remember staying him off for like years, being like, 1087 01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:38,800 Speaker 2: you don't want to be in a music business, like 1088 01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:41,680 Speaker 2: make movies, buddy, Like you don't want to do that. 1089 01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:44,640 Speaker 2: But then when he called me during the pandemic and 1090 01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:48,920 Speaker 2: was like, you know, I'm still like. I was like, publishing, 1091 01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:52,560 Speaker 2: that's what you should do. You shouldtill publishing company. I'll 1092 01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:54,720 Speaker 2: help you do that. I help you figure that out. 1093 01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:58,240 Speaker 2: You're the director. Everything stops and ends with you, including 1094 01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:01,800 Speaker 2: the music choices all that. We should build a publishing company. 1095 01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,600 Speaker 2: So it's like those kind of things get me excited. 1096 01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:07,160 Speaker 2: And then going to every you know, publisher and lawyers 1097 01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:10,080 Speaker 2: that were like, ah, but director with a publishing deal, 1098 01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:19,000 Speaker 2: like you know, and yeah, shocked how many people? And 1099 01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:22,400 Speaker 2: I was member like talking mad like no, I'm telling you, 1100 01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:25,360 Speaker 2: I'm telling you where some people in his life were confused. 1101 01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,240 Speaker 2: So it just wasn't common. And I'm like, they don't know, 1102 01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:29,560 Speaker 2: they just know that they're not in the music business. 1103 01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:32,480 Speaker 2: I'm telling you, I'm telling you, you know. And finally, 1104 01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:36,080 Speaker 2: you know, publishers were like, oh yeah, you know like that, 1105 01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:38,520 Speaker 2: you know, well, how would that work? And this is 1106 01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:42,800 Speaker 2: kind of putting it together and being like getting the 1107 01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:47,640 Speaker 2: deal and it happened, you know, and now building the 1108 01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:50,960 Speaker 2: publishing company so so you know, now he's got you know, 1109 01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:54,320 Speaker 2: a publishing entity. So that stuff's fun to me, Like 1110 01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:57,680 Speaker 2: that's exciting of like that doesn't exist, or that's hard, 1111 01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:01,120 Speaker 2: or that's a challenge or that's my favorite part, like 1112 01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:05,720 Speaker 2: and it just doesn't. It just it's whatever it's needed. 1113 01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:06,040 Speaker 7: Right. 1114 01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:09,040 Speaker 2: It's like I feel like I've always been a facilitator 1115 01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:14,160 Speaker 2: that I speak, you know, creative, but I also kind 1116 01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:18,720 Speaker 2: of have an organized mind and a real mean execution gun, right, 1117 01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:24,439 Speaker 2: and so those if you can compliment any dynamic you're 1118 01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:27,520 Speaker 2: in by activating any of those things, and if you 1119 01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:30,520 Speaker 2: don't make it about you, which I think I never have, 1120 01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:34,360 Speaker 2: That's why I was so nervous to do this, then 1121 01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:36,960 Speaker 2: you can really be a part of some cool things. 1122 01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:40,800 Speaker 2: You know, you can you could you know, quolely be like, 1123 01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:43,400 Speaker 2: oh yeah, the first project I was ever like part 1124 01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,439 Speaker 2: of was like Lauren Hill, or like, yeah, I worked 1125 01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:49,120 Speaker 2: on Mary J. Blige's breakthrough album, or like I worked 1126 01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:53,120 Speaker 2: with Black Eyed Peas, or like I I music supervised 1127 01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:55,880 Speaker 2: the Best Man, I produced and directed. You know, you like, 1128 01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:58,160 Speaker 2: after a while, your list just goes up and people 1129 01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:02,400 Speaker 2: are like my friends are always like damn girl, like, 1130 01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:05,480 Speaker 2: but in your mind at the time, it's just the 1131 01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:07,880 Speaker 2: thing that you're like, I think I could do that. 1132 01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:15,120 Speaker 3: I've never seen you, like I've never seen you promote you. 1133 01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:18,520 Speaker 1: No, I haven't. I've never seen you do that. You 1134 01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:19,000 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. 1135 01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:22,240 Speaker 3: Like even in having this conversation with you, it's like, 1136 01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:25,840 Speaker 3: oh shit, you know what I'm saying. It's like you 1137 01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:30,240 Speaker 3: do so much and I think it's this is why 1138 01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:34,600 Speaker 3: this conversation is needed, you know what I mean, because 1139 01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:38,520 Speaker 3: you're You're an inspiration to somebody. 1140 01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:41,840 Speaker 2: I feel super honored because honestly, when I ran into 1141 01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:43,840 Speaker 2: Ja and Jay's like, you should come on the podcast, 1142 01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:47,320 Speaker 2: I was like, like the podcast is for like people 1143 01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:51,919 Speaker 2: like that do stuff. Like I literally was like Jay, 1144 01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:54,280 Speaker 2: like that's like, you know, my friends have been on 1145 01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:57,439 Speaker 2: the pot, like Mike I used to manage Rico Love 1146 01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:00,640 Speaker 2: who I adore, And I'm like, Rico's been on the podcast, 1147 01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:03,640 Speaker 2: like Tron Thomas, who I was like the first deal 1148 01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:04,400 Speaker 2: in Interscope. 1149 01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:07,720 Speaker 3: But listen to what you're saying though, as you say, 1150 01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:11,640 Speaker 3: these people listen to your connection looking at this to 1151 01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:13,959 Speaker 3: the fibers like like. 1152 01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:19,080 Speaker 2: Us, yeah, you when you go out and you hear. 1153 01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:24,800 Speaker 1: A record like love to this Day, right like because 1154 01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:28,160 Speaker 1: even for me, I didn't write that song. I didn't 1155 01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:31,760 Speaker 1: I remember the little apartment that she played me the 1156 01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:36,520 Speaker 1: song and that dog that kept barking, that little. 1157 01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:38,479 Speaker 3: Dog, and she's like, I know you don't like the dog, but. 1158 01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:39,480 Speaker 1: He's not going to. 1159 01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:43,400 Speaker 3: Just playing the song because I gotta get out of 1160 01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:49,080 Speaker 3: this apartment with this dog she'sus barking at me. So 1161 01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:53,640 Speaker 3: I hear it different than the audience. Yeah, right, And 1162 01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:58,760 Speaker 3: people that hear these things different than the audience should 1163 01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:01,960 Speaker 3: be on this show. To me, Yeah, whatever part you 1164 01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:04,640 Speaker 3: played in that, right, that is an album that you 1165 01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:05,720 Speaker 3: were a part of. 1166 01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:09,520 Speaker 1: Get to wherever it got. And now this song, this 1167 01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:10,680 Speaker 1: song lives forever. 1168 01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:18,280 Speaker 2: When I see the Little Kids Assembly Internet, I'm like classic, Wow. 1169 01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:19,200 Speaker 1: Who would have thought? 1170 01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:20,080 Speaker 2: Wow? 1171 01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:22,360 Speaker 6: Now I knew it was a hit record. I did 1172 01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:25,280 Speaker 6: not know that Little Kids and an Assembly. 1173 01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:27,200 Speaker 2: Would be singing in the second grade. 1174 01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:30,120 Speaker 6: Twenty twenty four will be singing this record. I remember 1175 01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:34,800 Speaker 6: calling Keisha. I was mad that what's the song that 1176 01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:35,480 Speaker 6: I was in the video? 1177 01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:38,640 Speaker 1: I was in the first two. I changed my I 1178 01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:39,920 Speaker 1: was mad that that was the first single. 1179 01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:42,360 Speaker 2: It was love. Yeah, yeah, I was mad. 1180 01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:47,000 Speaker 1: It's not my album, not my artist, but I'm mad. 1181 01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:50,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, Keisha, no, this ain't it. What is y'all 1182 01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:55,680 Speaker 1: doing what are they doing over there? Because for me, 1183 01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:58,840 Speaker 1: I was so attached to this song. 1184 01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:02,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I got the with No pun inten 1185 01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:03,040 Speaker 3: I got New York. 1186 01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:07,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, I was so in love that was with that song, 1187 01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:08,600 Speaker 6: you know what I mean that I was just like, 1188 01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:10,560 Speaker 6: nothing can come out before this record. 1189 01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:16,000 Speaker 1: It obviously worked and the you know, I mean other 1190 01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:19,040 Speaker 1: two records they did cool, they did not like love. 1191 01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:21,400 Speaker 2: Well, that was the thing. I think back then it 1192 01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:24,400 Speaker 2: was a progression. Nowadays like it's just like throw everything. 1193 01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:26,799 Speaker 2: But back then it was like we're going to introduce 1194 01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:28,160 Speaker 2: her and. 1195 01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:30,880 Speaker 3: You used to get chances back in the day. Well, no, 1196 01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:32,800 Speaker 3: you get chances too, But there was a period where 1197 01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:35,040 Speaker 3: it was just like you got one shot at this year. 1198 01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:38,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and she she was you know, you were 1199 01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:41,160 Speaker 2: telling her story, right, you were like, this is what 1200 01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:44,000 Speaker 2: you I changed my mind. She's on the block. 1201 01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:46,040 Speaker 6: I mean it was la but you know, like, yeah, 1202 01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:48,360 Speaker 6: people still think we shot that in the back whoop, 1203 01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:48,880 Speaker 6: Sorry it. 1204 01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:56,240 Speaker 2: Was in the bay, I said, was in l A. 1205 01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:58,679 Speaker 2: But yeah, and then you know, you got to learn 1206 01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:01,720 Speaker 2: her story and then she was in full glam in 1207 01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:04,920 Speaker 2: the middle of Times Square, you know, not even. 1208 01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:05,479 Speaker 1: Know before that. 1209 01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:07,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, because I said I was in the 1210 01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:10,719 Speaker 6: first two was I just wanted to be over Oh. 1211 01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:13,639 Speaker 2: Well you know why that one? Yeah? 1212 01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:15,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was the second video. 1213 01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:20,280 Speaker 2: But then we but I'm saying we, and then then 1214 01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:24,200 Speaker 2: you get the movie, you know, and you get what's 1215 01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:27,040 Speaker 2: his name at the time, it was the big Everybody's 1216 01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:32,720 Speaker 2: music director, Benny. And then you're in Times Square like 1217 01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:35,280 Speaker 2: we gotta catch the flight. We got to get out 1218 01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:38,120 Speaker 2: of here in an hour. Yeah, and that was it. 1219 01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:39,479 Speaker 2: That was it. 1220 01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:43,439 Speaker 1: She was But that's but that, you know, like people 1221 01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:44,200 Speaker 1: need to know. 1222 01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:52,960 Speaker 6: The people, yea, who make these things happen, who are 1223 01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:56,439 Speaker 6: part of these things, who are the unsung heroes, who 1224 01:09:56,520 --> 01:10:01,639 Speaker 6: are the in the shadows. You know that this thing 1225 01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:05,200 Speaker 6: doesn't happen by yourself. And especially in this day and age, 1226 01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:10,000 Speaker 6: this has to be spoken about because everybody keeps thinking that, 1227 01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:14,519 Speaker 6: you know, artists do it by themselves, especially now because 1228 01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:18,479 Speaker 6: of the Internet and because oh I just uploaded, Well 1229 01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:23,400 Speaker 6: after you upload it, what about that manager that reached 1230 01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:26,360 Speaker 6: out to you, that helped put you in a room 1231 01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:28,920 Speaker 6: with such and such, And then what about when they 1232 01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:31,719 Speaker 6: helped you get on another record or putting somebody else 1233 01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:34,720 Speaker 6: on the remix for you to help the record continue 1234 01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:35,240 Speaker 6: to grow. 1235 01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:39,120 Speaker 1: And what about the lawyer and what about the marketing. 1236 01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:41,200 Speaker 6: Person and the A and R and all these other people, 1237 01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:46,799 Speaker 6: like listen, I am absolutely an advocate for independence because 1238 01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:52,439 Speaker 6: we should be able to lead our careers. But there 1239 01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:56,280 Speaker 6: takes a building, however you want to look at that, 1240 01:10:56,360 --> 01:11:01,360 Speaker 6: a team and a team to help you reach these heights. 1241 01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:04,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, it just does. 1242 01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:08,719 Speaker 6: Yeah, And I for me personally, I'm tired of people 1243 01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:10,160 Speaker 6: not mentioning. 1244 01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:13,000 Speaker 1: The people who played the part. 1245 01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:18,679 Speaker 2: I understand that. Ain't listen, I listen. I'm very grateful 1246 01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:22,679 Speaker 2: and appreciative. I think there's a part of me that's 1247 01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:24,800 Speaker 2: always going to be the little girl that's still like 1248 01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:29,080 Speaker 2: I just can't believe any of it happened. And I 1249 01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:31,760 Speaker 2: think there's a part of me that's like, you know, 1250 01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:35,760 Speaker 2: God is like it's always going to cover you, right, 1251 01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:38,840 Speaker 2: Like I'm always going to be covered in wherever I'm 1252 01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:40,920 Speaker 2: supposed to be or what's meant for me, And so 1253 01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:44,519 Speaker 2: I think I'm not I think self promotion is important, 1254 01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:46,720 Speaker 2: Like obviously I had to think about it. I was like, 1255 01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:49,120 Speaker 2: let me think about it, and like, see this felt safe. 1256 01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:51,200 Speaker 2: I know y'all it's a nice show, like you talk 1257 01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:54,519 Speaker 2: about positive things show. Yeah, I don't want to get 1258 01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:57,840 Speaker 2: you know, yelled at and what happened in that did 1259 01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:01,599 Speaker 2: not to do. You're like, I'm like, I don't want 1260 01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:05,479 Speaker 2: to be on those shows, but I I but I 1261 01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:09,240 Speaker 2: still really feel like I was a part of a team. 1262 01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:12,160 Speaker 2: Like like so it feels a bit and maybe this 1263 01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:15,120 Speaker 2: old school, I don't know, disingenuous to be like I 1264 01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:17,360 Speaker 2: was you know, I was this and I was that, 1265 01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:20,880 Speaker 2: and like there was hundreds of people that made all 1266 01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:24,599 Speaker 2: of these things happen, right, Like so many people, so 1267 01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:27,559 Speaker 2: you to be like stamping it all the time, which 1268 01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:29,519 Speaker 2: I think happens a lot now. It's just like as 1269 01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:31,360 Speaker 2: long as you say it louder, like oh, that's the 1270 01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:34,120 Speaker 2: person that did this, and you're thinking there's thirty people 1271 01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:35,880 Speaker 2: back there that help do all that. So that for 1272 01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:39,120 Speaker 2: me feels weird because I'm like, just we've only just 1273 01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:43,960 Speaker 2: talked about Michelle, Thomas, manny Ron and Keisha and you 1274 01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:47,599 Speaker 2: as part of it. There's there were dozens and dozens 1275 01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:50,760 Speaker 2: watch I. 1276 01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:56,040 Speaker 3: Think I think the beauty of it is as as 1277 01:12:56,120 --> 01:13:01,160 Speaker 3: as much as we would We're gonna get Michael Jordan, right, 1278 01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:07,920 Speaker 3: We're gonna interview Michael Jordan's, but we also we'd love 1279 01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:10,960 Speaker 3: to talk to Craig Hodges, bj Armstrong, We love to 1280 01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:12,040 Speaker 3: talk to Steve Kerr. 1281 01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:14,320 Speaker 2: I'm not in my head like yep, I know exactly 1282 01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:14,840 Speaker 2: who that is. 1283 01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:21,280 Speaker 4: Like, it's sports, it's team got. 1284 01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:27,280 Speaker 3: It because all of those roles yea on that team vital. 1285 01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:31,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and your very vital part. Thank you guys, you're 1286 01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:35,880 Speaker 2: vital too. If Jay did not show up in that 1287 01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:40,880 Speaker 2: white T shirt, I'm not sure video would have got 1288 01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:41,400 Speaker 2: done that day. 1289 01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:51,679 Speaker 3: From the baby, she definitely was like, I'm not about 1290 01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:52,960 Speaker 3: to be in no video with no nigga. 1291 01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:53,479 Speaker 1: I don't know. 1292 01:13:53,560 --> 01:14:00,840 Speaker 2: I'm like Larry was the love interest and girls loved 1293 01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:07,559 Speaker 2: him too to his day. At least we didn't try 1294 01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:09,320 Speaker 2: to make you body roll or anything. 1295 01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:16,559 Speaker 6: No ever, Like it was just like a soap opera though, 1296 01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:18,640 Speaker 6: where I just just like the cheating boyfriend. 1297 01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:24,560 Speaker 2: He was cheated and every video practically she should have cheated. 1298 01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:30,479 Speaker 1: She made Yeah d on gin she did. She put 1299 01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:31,840 Speaker 1: Tyres in that she did? 1300 01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:34,559 Speaker 2: She really, that's right, Ty was. 1301 01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:37,240 Speaker 1: I was vixing once myself. 1302 01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:41,760 Speaker 2: Santana wasn't another video. We just pulled people. 1303 01:14:41,479 --> 01:14:44,800 Speaker 1: In me and Bryce Wilson wanted the same. 1304 01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:49,640 Speaker 3: Bryce Wilson was part of convincing me to do the 1305 01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:52,000 Speaker 3: video too. Yeah, because he did. 1306 01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:54,519 Speaker 1: The Tony practice video. I mean, shout out to other 1307 01:14:54,640 --> 01:15:03,000 Speaker 1: figs out y'all, I'll see you stick Erica. 1308 01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:07,880 Speaker 3: You've worked on a lot of great music, a lot 1309 01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:08,479 Speaker 3: of great. 1310 01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:10,240 Speaker 1: Artists, great artists. 1311 01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:13,479 Speaker 3: I want to go back to when you were pulling 1312 01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:15,880 Speaker 3: out those sleeves and reading those lyrics. 1313 01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:20,920 Speaker 1: Do people want to know? They want to know on 1314 01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:29,519 Speaker 1: this show, yo for sure? Top five? 1315 01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:44,280 Speaker 7: Your top five, top five, your top five ay easing. 1316 01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:47,599 Speaker 3: Call and me song. 1317 01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:52,920 Speaker 2: We want to know you o this. 1318 01:15:53,160 --> 01:16:15,240 Speaker 8: Out big for you? What was your pokop? 1319 01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:16,800 Speaker 2: Fun? 1320 01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:30,920 Speaker 1: That's why you was worried about it. 1321 01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:34,000 Speaker 3: That's why this is. 1322 01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:40,000 Speaker 1: Why Erica your top five car and B singers. 1323 01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:46,360 Speaker 2: Oh singers okay mm hm, oh my goodness. You know 1324 01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:48,160 Speaker 2: I should have wrote this down and thought about it. 1325 01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:59,000 Speaker 2: It's never easy. I mean Stevie okay, yeah, sorry, probably 1326 01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:02,679 Speaker 2: Lufa yeah yeah. I don't feel like I don't feel 1327 01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:08,200 Speaker 2: like he gets it enough of the conversation. Yes he does, Okay, yes, okay, 1328 01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:20,280 Speaker 2: good beast singers. You know, even though his music is 1329 01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:25,240 Speaker 2: different now and he's newer, I would say Labyrinth. 1330 01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:26,479 Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. 1331 01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:33,320 Speaker 2: His voice is extraordinary. If you heard this song, the 1332 01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:38,519 Speaker 2: song Jealous that he wrote and sang like ten, I 1333 01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:41,160 Speaker 2: don't know, ten fifteen years. I mean it's the pureness 1334 01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:49,800 Speaker 2: of his voices. Yeah, I know. I mean it's all 1335 01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:55,000 Speaker 2: gonna mostly be old school. Oh it's mine, Anita. 1336 01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:57,719 Speaker 3: Yeah. I love. 1337 01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:09,560 Speaker 2: Singers. I'm trying to keep the singers. Philip Bailey, maybe. 1338 01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:18,719 Speaker 1: Maybe Philip baby Love give him a full confidential spot. 1339 01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:24,120 Speaker 2: Philip Bailey by the reasons, I mean. 1340 01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:29,479 Speaker 1: False settle like none. Author, that's. 1341 01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:36,280 Speaker 2: No stress, do it all? 1342 01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:38,800 Speaker 1: Top five R and B song. 1343 01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:46,480 Speaker 2: Oh my god, so so amazing. 1344 01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:49,320 Speaker 3: To the moons? 1345 01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:49,920 Speaker 1: Is it? 1346 01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:54,120 Speaker 2: Luthers? Sorry? Is that so amazing? Is that the name 1347 01:18:54,120 --> 01:19:02,960 Speaker 2: of it? Yeah? That song kills me. Try a little tenderness, 1348 01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:15,680 Speaker 2: m yes, mm hmm. That's just lyrics, lyrics. Yes, you 1349 01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:16,519 Speaker 2: bring me joy? 1350 01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:21,519 Speaker 1: Uh uh, that's just. 1351 01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:27,400 Speaker 3: Like is you name these songs, like the care that 1352 01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:32,560 Speaker 3: went into production, the care that went into lyricism, the 1353 01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:34,000 Speaker 3: care that went into the. 1354 01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:40,400 Speaker 2: And the way the performance of them was so meaningful, 1355 01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:48,719 Speaker 2: like whoever was bringing her joy? You was like, yeah, 1356 01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:53,919 Speaker 2: I'm a love girl. 1357 01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:56,000 Speaker 1: So yeah, clearly. 1358 01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:01,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a love girl. Oh my god, how did 1359 01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:06,640 Speaker 2: I miss Aretha on the other list? Yeah? Read the 1360 01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:14,920 Speaker 2: frank Oh my god? Oh what's the Wreatha song? Girl? 1361 01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:22,360 Speaker 2: I can't think now. Sorry. It's one of my favorites too. 1362 01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:27,719 Speaker 2: I'll come back to huh oh yeah, like where's my phone? 1363 01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:29,800 Speaker 4: Oh? 1364 01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:33,320 Speaker 2: Natural Woman? I was like, it's a big song. I 1365 01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:35,960 Speaker 2: just was like, why my brain won't let me again? 1366 01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:39,880 Speaker 2: The lyrics and the performance. You're just I want to 1367 01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:44,679 Speaker 2: feel like a natural woman? A refa is that five? 1368 01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:48,280 Speaker 2: I think that was fine too? Oh you counting? You 1369 01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:58,439 Speaker 2: know Valentine? You know what's Jay Valentine. It's probably gonna 1370 01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:07,200 Speaker 2: be between what's see the name? I don't know the 1371 01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:12,960 Speaker 2: names of songs. This is me all day, Like, what's 1372 01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:16,360 Speaker 2: how's the song going? Wake up everybody? No one want 1373 01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:21,080 Speaker 2: to sleep in the world. Can't get no besting that 1374 01:21:22,439 --> 01:21:26,560 Speaker 2: if it's just let it be come on? No no, no, no, no, no, no, 1375 01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:28,000 Speaker 2: thank you? 1376 01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:29,320 Speaker 3: That one. 1377 01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:36,120 Speaker 2: That one? Please sing that song? Yeah, that would be 1378 01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:41,960 Speaker 2: the other one. That's fine. P yeah that song that 1379 01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:46,120 Speaker 2: makes me happy? Yeah? Yeah, that's it. I just yeah, 1380 01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:47,040 Speaker 2: I feel like. 1381 01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:49,880 Speaker 3: I want to know what those sessions were, Like, I 1382 01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:51,800 Speaker 3: do too, you know what I'm saying to. 1383 01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:59,519 Speaker 1: You, know what, moving on? 1384 01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:07,240 Speaker 2: Know what, You're always here to bring us back, bring 1385 01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:09,920 Speaker 2: us back to the hood, bring us back to the hood. 1386 01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:16,679 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I'm just a little girl making music. 1387 01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:17,360 Speaker 4: News on my head. 1388 01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:19,760 Speaker 1: Somebody had to figure out a way to fill up 1389 01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:26,719 Speaker 1: those shoe boxes of money. Don't tell the truth in here, Lord, don't. 1390 01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:30,400 Speaker 2: You do it. I don't even yeah that those are Yeah, 1391 01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:33,639 Speaker 2: I would say that for me. So that's what that's 1392 01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:36,439 Speaker 2: what moves me. Is just like things about love and 1393 01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:40,760 Speaker 2: things that make you feel good. Everything else, you know, 1394 01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:44,960 Speaker 2: turn up, it's fine, But that's emotion. 1395 01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:45,759 Speaker 3: Yea emotion. 1396 01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:48,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think music should make you feel 1397 01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:51,280 Speaker 2: things like whatever that is, whatever you need that to be. 1398 01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:55,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna build a vultron. You're super R and 1399 01:22:55,720 --> 01:23:01,280 Speaker 3: B artists. So with this artist pick, you got to 1400 01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:06,200 Speaker 3: pick the characteristics from one artist, make this one artist, okay, 1401 01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:08,680 Speaker 3: from a bunch of de however many artists you want 1402 01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:11,599 Speaker 3: to pick from, Okay, but these are the characteristics we're 1403 01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:14,960 Speaker 3: looking for. We were looking for the vocal, the performance style, 1404 01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:21,080 Speaker 3: the styling, the heart of the artists, like the passion 1405 01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:24,160 Speaker 3: of the artists. Okay, so what one vocal are you 1406 01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:26,200 Speaker 3: going to get to build your super R and B R. 1407 01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:29,920 Speaker 3: Just one there's one mm hmmm. 1408 01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:36,760 Speaker 2: I'm probably gonna say Stevie because he has the most universal. 1409 01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:40,719 Speaker 3: Every year, everywhere. Okay, all right, I just saw Stevie 1410 01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:46,880 Speaker 3: the other day. He went crazy like still like I was, 1411 01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:49,680 Speaker 3: I was crying on the inside crazy. I can see 1412 01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:50,120 Speaker 3: me crying. 1413 01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:57,479 Speaker 2: I was like finished, Yeah, he's he's it, he's it. Yeah, 1414 01:23:57,600 --> 01:23:59,920 Speaker 2: he's it for me. Yeah, Okay. 1415 01:24:00,439 --> 01:24:01,640 Speaker 1: Performance style. 1416 01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:05,560 Speaker 2: This is going to be controversial. 1417 01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:06,160 Speaker 3: I think. 1418 01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:14,240 Speaker 2: Chris Brown yeah yeah, okay, I mean I know Michael 1419 01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:19,280 Speaker 2: Jackson and then for you Yeah, I just I think 1420 01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:23,479 Speaker 2: Chris is just extraordinary as a performer. He is leaves 1421 01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:24,960 Speaker 2: all the things on the stage. 1422 01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:27,720 Speaker 3: Yeah I love that. 1423 01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:33,800 Speaker 1: Sorry, old people, Hey, I'll be I'll be at every 1424 01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:34,280 Speaker 1: like this. 1425 01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:36,160 Speaker 3: Yeah me too. 1426 01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:39,800 Speaker 2: I'm like even when he's done in Afrobast, the way 1427 01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:46,639 Speaker 2: that he belongs the great word is extraordinary is different. 1428 01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:51,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, he just it's he belonged. He never seems like 1429 01:24:51,080 --> 01:24:52,960 Speaker 1: he's got a place, never doing anything. 1430 01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:54,920 Speaker 4: It's pretty well. 1431 01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:58,560 Speaker 1: He does the work right there you go, there, you go, 1432 01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:03,400 Speaker 1: Like he does the deep dive, he's he's yeah, you say, 1433 01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:03,760 Speaker 1: where are you. 1434 01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:05,559 Speaker 3: Doing this at? Okay, let's go over there and let's 1435 01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:08,400 Speaker 3: hang out with him and let's see what's going on. Yeah, food, 1436 01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:11,519 Speaker 3: and then he'll tell you about him. Yeah you heard 1437 01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:16,439 Speaker 3: about I never heard him. Well, yeah, he worked with 1438 01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:20,200 Speaker 3: him like he does the work, and that's to do. 1439 01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:24,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, styling, the drip styling. 1440 01:25:25,240 --> 01:25:28,840 Speaker 2: Hm, it's just hard because I don't care about the 1441 01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:33,320 Speaker 2: least like Marvin. 1442 01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:34,479 Speaker 4: Mm hmm. 1443 01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:37,439 Speaker 2: Maybe because he was just fly. 1444 01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:40,960 Speaker 3: It's just fly, like just just anytime you. 1445 01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:43,960 Speaker 2: Old photos of him with the thing, and like he 1446 01:25:44,120 --> 01:25:45,760 Speaker 2: just seemed so effortlessly fly. 1447 01:25:46,160 --> 01:25:46,600 Speaker 1: I like that. 1448 01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:50,160 Speaker 2: I like the down play. You know, I'm not trying 1449 01:25:50,200 --> 01:25:54,519 Speaker 2: to be cool, but I am. Yeah for me, Yeah, 1450 01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:57,000 Speaker 2: but yeah I'm not a drip, but I'm not the Yeah, 1451 01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:57,760 Speaker 2: I'm missing. 1452 01:25:57,560 --> 01:25:58,080 Speaker 3: All the dripping. 1453 01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:03,519 Speaker 2: Thank you. Okay, see thank you. I mean clearly I'm 1454 01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:05,680 Speaker 2: still wearing dirty converse, so obviously. 1455 01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:14,400 Speaker 1: That's all right. The passion of the artists, oh gosh, 1456 01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:16,720 Speaker 1: who make you believe it? 1457 01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:26,160 Speaker 2: There's so many. Maybe it would be between Marvin and Stevie. 1458 01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:30,120 Speaker 2: I think again. I just think they cared about music 1459 01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:35,680 Speaker 2: till it hurt. Marvin Wonder, Stevie Gay. 1460 01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:38,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that. 1461 01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:43,280 Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, I just feel like, at least 1462 01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:45,400 Speaker 2: for me, they just sound like they care so much 1463 01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:49,840 Speaker 2: or mars means get cared so much. But yeah, man, 1464 01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:53,680 Speaker 2: I just you can't be that, you can't create that 1465 01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:56,679 Speaker 2: and just not care with every part of your soul. 1466 01:26:57,520 --> 01:27:02,120 Speaker 3: And and another another edition for you, big publisher, who's 1467 01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:03,280 Speaker 3: going to write for this artist? 1468 01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:13,560 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, yeah, oh my gosh. I mean I 1469 01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:17,360 Speaker 2: hate to be redundant, but I mean Stevie. 1470 01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:22,360 Speaker 1: Amazing. He is one of the greatest of all. 1471 01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:28,320 Speaker 2: I'm like, how do you miss that? 1472 01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:34,639 Speaker 1: I mean Stevie, Stevie, like Stevie. Stevie's the guy. 1473 01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:37,160 Speaker 2: Like, I mean, there's so many though, I mean, is 1474 01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:39,760 Speaker 2: the Rod Tempertons on the like, there's just I mean, 1475 01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:45,120 Speaker 2: there's just all the all the amazing penmanships of pens 1476 01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:46,400 Speaker 2: out in the world. 1477 01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:48,840 Speaker 6: Yeah. 1478 01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:53,519 Speaker 2: Writers are Writers are special, man. Okay, they really are. 1479 01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:55,400 Speaker 2: You y'all really are. 1480 01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:56,320 Speaker 3: Thank you. 1481 01:27:57,040 --> 01:28:00,400 Speaker 2: We try to, I mean because think about honestly, okay, 1482 01:28:00,479 --> 01:28:05,240 Speaker 2: because it's the flowers, right, it's you know, to express 1483 01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:10,439 Speaker 2: yourself in a way that is meaningful but also relate, 1484 01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:13,519 Speaker 2: can can touch so many people, right that that you 1485 01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:19,040 Speaker 2: can articulate emotions so well that people from anywhere can 1486 01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:22,880 Speaker 2: catch the same Like, yes, that's what I wanted to say. 1487 01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:28,280 Speaker 2: And then for yourselves, you can do it for you yourself, 1488 01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:31,240 Speaker 2: and you can also give it to another artist and 1489 01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:36,120 Speaker 2: they can have that same experience. That's such a gift, 1490 01:28:37,200 --> 01:28:40,840 Speaker 2: Like that is such a gift. Like that part, to 1491 01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:45,160 Speaker 2: me is like nothing happens without that. And yes, the 1492 01:28:45,320 --> 01:28:47,880 Speaker 2: voices and the look and the drip and the performance 1493 01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:51,800 Speaker 2: and all those things matter, but like without that piece, 1494 01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:58,040 Speaker 2: there's nothing, like it's someone's humming and it's you you 1495 01:28:58,160 --> 01:29:01,240 Speaker 2: feel it, that's amazing, But there's nothing without that, like 1496 01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:07,160 Speaker 2: that story, that that feeling. That's to me, you know anyway. 1497 01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:10,479 Speaker 2: So to be able to do that is just like 1498 01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:14,760 Speaker 2: I'm always like I think that's also why because I 1499 01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:18,479 Speaker 2: can't do it. So I'm like, oh, wow, you're really special, 1500 01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:23,080 Speaker 2: Like that's amazing, Like you said that that way, Like 1501 01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:26,040 Speaker 2: even when you think about like Phineas and Billy right, 1502 01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:31,439 Speaker 2: you're like, what were you thinking when you said that? 1503 01:29:33,240 --> 01:29:33,280 Speaker 3: What? 1504 01:29:33,479 --> 01:29:34,800 Speaker 2: How did you how? What? 1505 01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:43,599 Speaker 6: I think most writers can't even truly explain it. Yeah, honestly, 1506 01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:45,960 Speaker 6: like you know, we all know each other and we 1507 01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:48,840 Speaker 6: all had conversations about you know, like you said, what 1508 01:29:48,920 --> 01:29:49,840 Speaker 6: were you thinking about her? 1509 01:29:50,360 --> 01:29:53,240 Speaker 1: And it's just as you have the conversation. 1510 01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:56,920 Speaker 6: Usually a veers yeah, it goes off into like wait, 1511 01:29:57,000 --> 01:29:59,600 Speaker 6: hold on, we were talking about yeah, oh yeah, but 1512 01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:03,720 Speaker 6: then was the how Yeah, because it's and we talk, 1513 01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:05,120 Speaker 6: we speak about this. 1514 01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:09,240 Speaker 1: I think it's it's our form of magic. Yeah it is. 1515 01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:12,800 Speaker 2: I mean when I said when I worked with Rico Love, 1516 01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:17,400 Speaker 2: I remember like he would do a song and you know, 1517 01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:22,559 Speaker 2: daddy song right like Usher, and I would be driving 1518 01:30:23,240 --> 01:30:27,600 Speaker 2: with the song playing like and I know, Rico, I 1519 01:30:28,040 --> 01:30:34,120 Speaker 2: worked with everything. How the hell did you write this song? Bro? 1520 01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:38,920 Speaker 2: Like it's amazing, amazing exists. 1521 01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:40,920 Speaker 3: In this weird space where for us it's just like 1522 01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:43,280 Speaker 3: it's just kind of what we do. 1523 01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:48,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, especially he's not going to booth and just you know, 1524 01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:49,920 Speaker 2: like I go in there. 1525 01:30:51,360 --> 01:30:54,320 Speaker 1: And I get to test Rico Love, like this song 1526 01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:56,800 Speaker 1: like this week O he played this coming right up. 1527 01:30:59,680 --> 01:30:59,960 Speaker 2: Ahead. 1528 01:31:02,160 --> 01:31:02,840 Speaker 1: That's what I called you. 1529 01:31:03,560 --> 01:31:06,519 Speaker 2: I mean, even like if you take Sean Garrett when 1530 01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:09,040 Speaker 2: he did Buttons, I was in the studio in Sean 1531 01:31:09,160 --> 01:31:12,200 Speaker 2: Garrett and poloed it Buttons, and I and I remember 1532 01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:17,400 Speaker 2: sitting there the beats playing the beats crazy and Sean 1533 01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:25,439 Speaker 2: is like, okay, take it back, take it back. And 1534 01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:30,680 Speaker 2: when you're watching it, like what the and next thing 1535 01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:38,960 Speaker 2: you know, it's like and you're like, yeah, yeah, that's 1536 01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:47,360 Speaker 2: what the studio like, yo, And it wasn't finished. You 1537 01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:51,240 Speaker 2: just were like there's just no way this this boy 1538 01:31:51,479 --> 01:31:56,720 Speaker 2: is getting something. And that record was so huge, and 1539 01:31:57,080 --> 01:31:59,880 Speaker 2: I'm like that's the part like that, I guess that's 1540 01:31:59,880 --> 01:32:01,840 Speaker 2: what are you like your self promoting all that, Like 1541 01:32:01,920 --> 01:32:05,240 Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, cool, Like but he was the one 1542 01:32:05,400 --> 01:32:09,080 Speaker 2: that was there with the thing coming through him on 1543 01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:13,360 Speaker 2: on the microphone and made that song like I just 1544 01:32:13,560 --> 01:32:16,040 Speaker 2: was there right like, So that part is like it's 1545 01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:18,640 Speaker 2: just such a gift. It's just a gift to be 1546 01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:20,600 Speaker 2: in the room. And that's the part that I I 1547 01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:24,519 Speaker 2: hope we don't lose, Like I just hope we don't 1548 01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:30,040 Speaker 2: lose that because it is so so much gratitude, like 1549 01:32:30,240 --> 01:32:32,679 Speaker 2: truly even being here you guys, this is so fun 1550 01:32:33,880 --> 01:32:38,920 Speaker 2: with you. Okay. 1551 01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:50,160 Speaker 1: Uh, I ain't saying no next day, saying no next. 1552 01:32:56,320 --> 01:32:57,040 Speaker 2: What you did? 1553 01:32:57,720 --> 01:32:58,439 Speaker 1: Don't say she. 1554 01:33:11,479 --> 01:33:15,639 Speaker 2: Okay, there's just so many you guys have so many 1555 01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:16,679 Speaker 2: names not to say. 1556 01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:20,200 Speaker 6: So you here right now this last segment of the show. 1557 01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:23,400 Speaker 6: All right, it's called I say names. Okay, well you 1558 01:33:23,479 --> 01:33:27,920 Speaker 6: tell us a story funnier, fucked up, funny and fucked up. 1559 01:33:29,360 --> 01:33:32,120 Speaker 6: The only rude to the game. You can't say no names. 1560 01:33:34,240 --> 01:33:37,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. I was working one night in the studio with 1561 01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:45,000 Speaker 2: the producer that never would finish songs on time, so 1562 01:33:45,160 --> 01:33:48,840 Speaker 2: you literally have to stand over them and keep their 1563 01:33:49,400 --> 01:33:54,599 Speaker 2: train on the track, like you literally have to stand 1564 01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:57,960 Speaker 2: over them to get the songs done. Very very famous producer. 1565 01:33:58,760 --> 01:34:01,240 Speaker 2: So I was working trying to get them to finish 1566 01:34:01,479 --> 01:34:06,519 Speaker 2: said song and what started at like seven pm. I 1567 01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:08,439 Speaker 2: think I got out of the studio at like one 1568 01:34:08,479 --> 01:34:12,560 Speaker 2: o'clock in the afternoon the next day to get the 1569 01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:15,960 Speaker 2: song done for my record because I had to be 1570 01:34:16,200 --> 01:34:22,200 Speaker 2: at a meeting with someone that I worked with, executive 1571 01:34:23,160 --> 01:34:24,520 Speaker 2: at another studio. 1572 01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:27,120 Speaker 1: To discuss. 1573 01:34:28,360 --> 01:34:36,160 Speaker 2: To discuss the an anxiety ridden producer who was upset 1574 01:34:36,240 --> 01:34:41,120 Speaker 2: that their song had been changed. So I thought I 1575 01:34:41,240 --> 01:34:44,559 Speaker 2: was going to be able to go home, take a shower, sleep, 1576 01:34:45,160 --> 01:34:48,120 Speaker 2: and all of these things. But I was being summoned 1577 01:34:48,520 --> 01:34:50,519 Speaker 2: to be at this other meeting, which was like at 1578 01:34:50,520 --> 01:34:56,760 Speaker 2: two o'clock in the afternoon. So I'm not cute I 1579 01:34:56,840 --> 01:35:02,120 Speaker 2: don't ever smell, but you know, I did put a 1580 01:35:02,120 --> 01:35:10,120 Speaker 2: sweatshirt on trudging over to said studio, and I was 1581 01:35:10,280 --> 01:35:12,439 Speaker 2: really asked to be there because I didn't know this 1582 01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:16,880 Speaker 2: at the time, because the producer was pissed. I didn't know. 1583 01:35:17,160 --> 01:35:19,880 Speaker 2: I just thought it was a meeting between Producer A 1584 01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:27,240 Speaker 2: and big producer Executive B. It was not, and Producer 1585 01:35:27,360 --> 01:35:31,960 Speaker 2: Executive B knew that it wasn't going to be uncomfortable, 1586 01:35:33,200 --> 01:35:37,479 Speaker 2: and so I got invited over there with no sleep, 1587 01:35:38,320 --> 01:35:44,360 Speaker 2: with no shower, already frustrated from the night before, only 1588 01:35:44,439 --> 01:35:47,320 Speaker 2: to have to sit and listen to Producer A scream 1589 01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:52,240 Speaker 2: and curse out Producer B for changing a song on 1590 01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:56,639 Speaker 2: what was one of the biggest songs of that time period. 1591 01:35:58,080 --> 01:36:01,320 Speaker 2: They didn't change it back. Song was a big hit, 1592 01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:04,920 Speaker 2: but I sat there and listened to screaming, and then 1593 01:36:04,960 --> 01:36:08,400 Speaker 2: I ended up being like the person in the room 1594 01:36:08,920 --> 01:36:11,960 Speaker 2: that was like, oh, you're you're my person, Like you're 1595 01:36:12,040 --> 01:36:14,160 Speaker 2: my person. So I look like the bad guy sitting 1596 01:36:14,200 --> 01:36:17,000 Speaker 2: in the room while Producer BE is screaming at Producer 1597 01:36:17,080 --> 01:36:20,639 Speaker 2: A about how the song got changed and was forever 1598 01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:25,320 Speaker 2: changed even though it was a hit. M So y'all 1599 01:36:25,320 --> 01:36:27,960 Speaker 2: can figure that out and put that together. It's not 1600 01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:31,640 Speaker 2: maybe as juicy, and thus for us we know that 1601 01:36:34,920 --> 01:36:41,679 Speaker 2: in it was not comfortable because we had no power 1602 01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:47,360 Speaker 2: in the situation. And also like that was what used 1603 01:36:47,400 --> 01:36:51,320 Speaker 2: to happen all the time. So you're just like and 1604 01:36:51,640 --> 01:36:53,920 Speaker 2: I'm not the like and so now you're like, you're 1605 01:36:53,960 --> 01:36:57,280 Speaker 2: the label, you know. So that was bad too. But yeah, 1606 01:36:58,600 --> 01:37:01,400 Speaker 2: that's my little story. Hope it lived up. 1607 01:37:02,479 --> 01:37:03,719 Speaker 3: Those uncomfortable moments. 1608 01:37:04,640 --> 01:37:06,360 Speaker 1: Those are real situations. 1609 01:37:06,520 --> 01:37:09,000 Speaker 2: It was bad and I was not prepared. I was tired, 1610 01:37:09,240 --> 01:37:11,519 Speaker 2: and it just was not I couldn't even say anything. 1611 01:37:11,680 --> 01:37:14,360 Speaker 2: It was just like, what do you got to say? 1612 01:37:14,520 --> 01:37:17,679 Speaker 3: I was like, I didn't even know this was gonna 1613 01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:21,360 Speaker 3: happen because I think ship jamming, Yeah. 1614 01:37:22,120 --> 01:37:24,120 Speaker 2: Could you imagine that that would be. 1615 01:37:25,720 --> 01:37:27,200 Speaker 1: Exactly what he said, jamming me. 1616 01:37:29,120 --> 01:37:29,280 Speaker 2: Eric. 1617 01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:30,840 Speaker 1: We appreciate you. 1618 01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:34,400 Speaker 3: You know you have a family. 1619 01:37:35,000 --> 01:37:36,960 Speaker 2: Thank you guys. This is fun. 1620 01:37:37,640 --> 01:37:39,960 Speaker 3: We we we all we all take each other back 1621 01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:44,720 Speaker 3: to humble beginning just when this ship was different, the. 1622 01:37:44,760 --> 01:37:46,759 Speaker 2: New guy from Virginia that was gonna get. 1623 01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:52,320 Speaker 3: Yeah from Maryland, from Maryland v the DV because I performed. 1624 01:37:52,360 --> 01:37:55,439 Speaker 3: I've performed at every church in Virginia. So it works, 1625 01:37:56,960 --> 01:38:00,280 Speaker 3: but you know it's it's it's been a great, great 1626 01:38:00,360 --> 01:38:00,880 Speaker 3: journey for you. 1627 01:38:01,040 --> 01:38:02,760 Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you for having me. 1628 01:38:03,560 --> 01:38:06,080 Speaker 1: We're happy to have you, happy to have you to 1629 01:38:06,160 --> 01:38:07,799 Speaker 1: give your story, your. 1630 01:38:11,080 --> 01:38:15,600 Speaker 3: Your perspective and get an opportunity to speak on just 1631 01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:17,800 Speaker 3: what you've been able to do in this ship. You 1632 01:38:17,840 --> 01:38:19,439 Speaker 3: know what I mean, the work that you've been able 1633 01:38:19,479 --> 01:38:23,000 Speaker 3: to put in like whether you like to do it 1634 01:38:23,280 --> 01:38:28,200 Speaker 3: or not, it is important and it was needed. 1635 01:38:28,600 --> 01:38:31,559 Speaker 2: Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen. 1636 01:38:31,640 --> 01:38:35,120 Speaker 3: My name is Take and this is the Army Money podcast, 1637 01:38:35,160 --> 01:38:40,040 Speaker 3: the authority on all things R and B. And this 1638 01:38:40,240 --> 01:38:44,920 Speaker 3: has been an episode with a family member who really 1639 01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:46,400 Speaker 3: does all things. 1640 01:38:48,479 --> 01:38:48,840 Speaker 2: Thank you.