WEBVTT - Jensen McRae 0:00:15.476 --> 0:00:23.076 Pushkin. Jensen McRae writes songs that cut straight to the bone, 0:00:23.356 --> 0:00:27.396 intimate examinations of identity, relationships, and the complexities of coming 0:00:27.396 --> 0:00:30.756 of age in today's world. Since releasing her debut EP 0:00:30.956 --> 0:00:33.676 Who Hurt You in twenty twenty one, she's garnered attention 0:00:33.796 --> 0:00:36.596 for her literary approach to songwriting and her ability to 0:00:36.596 --> 0:00:41.156 balance vulnerability with sharp observation. Her music often grapples with 0:00:41.196 --> 0:00:46.116 difficult subjects, navigating mixed race identity, processing, heartbreak, and confronting 0:00:46.156 --> 0:00:49.516 the uncomfortable truths we tell ourselves, but there's also a 0:00:49.556 --> 0:00:51.876 warmth and humor in her work, which can be heard 0:00:51.916 --> 0:00:56.756 in this episode when she performs three songs Savannah, White Boy, 0:00:56.996 --> 0:00:59.236 and let Me Be Wrong from her new album I 0:00:59.236 --> 0:01:02.036 Don't Know How but They've Found Me. On today's episode, 0:01:02.076 --> 0:01:04.676 I talked to Jensen McCray about her journey as an artist, 0:01:04.916 --> 0:01:08.556 why she gravitates towards niche communities online on Reddit, and 0:01:08.636 --> 0:01:11.076 her list of goals that include both winning the Grammy 0:01:11.116 --> 0:01:13.596 for Album of the Year and the mayoral run in 0:01:13.676 --> 0:01:20.836 our native Los Angeles. This is broken record, real musicians, 0:01:21.076 --> 0:01:29.996 real conversations. Here's my conversation with Jensen McCrae, where she 0:01:30.116 --> 0:01:36.396 begins things with a live rendition of her song, Savannah, there. 0:01:36.396 --> 0:01:41.036 Is an inner section in your college town. 0:01:41.876 --> 0:01:48.356 WI your name, honing with your name morning. 0:01:50.756 --> 0:01:56.956 You are said he couldn't wait to take them, should 0:01:56.956 --> 0:01:59.276 have been Honor. 0:02:00.316 --> 0:02:02.956 Calls you out, honor. 0:02:04.476 --> 0:02:10.356 Disass side from God and archred l your fly. 0:02:12.156 --> 0:02:16.116 See him in wad. 0:02:15.356 --> 0:02:22.316 You try start to fly your curbridgesy saving LANDA well, 0:02:22.516 --> 0:02:28.756 no under you, ask man of HAMI someone new. 0:02:30.276 --> 0:02:34.316 Um to sup. 0:02:42.196 --> 0:02:47.036 Here is a boy in out loud in on theth. 0:02:47.756 --> 0:02:49.036 A bloody face. 0:02:49.596 --> 0:02:55.036 Come you were tied embombing. 0:02:56.836 --> 0:03:02.996 You swore raise our kidstand just like you with your 0:03:03.316 --> 0:03:08.796 fast crafting. That's a goddamn commense. 0:03:11.076 --> 0:03:13.116 Sassy side from. 0:03:12.996 --> 0:03:19.436 God and archerd l on by You see him in 0:03:20.236 --> 0:03:26.036 water n you try start by the bridges. 0:03:26.236 --> 0:03:27.996 He's standing leader. 0:03:28.476 --> 0:03:34.636 Well, no one under you, hossman of coming left someone 0:03:34.876 --> 0:03:50.676 new ungoing to Supana. Come I hear it's hot and 0:03:51.556 --> 0:03:56.116 the greatest ride his head le is away. 0:03:56.196 --> 0:03:57.596 He used to up. 0:03:58.236 --> 0:04:03.676 It's twenty one, he used to call those swim bitches. 0:04:03.916 --> 0:04:09.036 Did in you if you're the sweet like honeydew. 0:04:10.636 --> 0:04:19.956 Shvy how to talk to bus pass his side from. 0:04:19.876 --> 0:04:24.076 Her Trey Lyley on why. 0:04:25.396 --> 0:04:26.156 You See. 0:04:28.916 --> 0:04:28.956 It? 0:04:29.236 --> 0:04:35.196 Tried to start a fire for bridges, he stabbing Leanna, 0:04:35.756 --> 0:04:36.716 you lost me? 0:04:37.556 --> 0:04:44.116 So you want manner? Coming love with someone new, Come 0:04:45.876 --> 0:04:51.836 in to Survivana, Go. 0:04:53.436 --> 0:05:06.636 To Surveveano, Go went to Sana, Go. 0:05:08.276 --> 0:05:27.956 To oh Man, so good, thank you oh Man. What 0:05:29.316 --> 0:05:30.316 how did that song start? 0:05:31.516 --> 0:05:31.756 Well? 0:05:32.556 --> 0:05:36.276 I wrote it a week after my first album came out, 0:05:36.796 --> 0:05:39.396 and so I wasn't in the head space of necessarily 0:05:39.516 --> 0:05:43.156 knowing or thinking about what I was making. But I 0:05:43.276 --> 0:05:45.236 had this very weird thing happened to me where I 0:05:45.316 --> 0:05:47.356 had two boyfriends in a row asked me to go 0:05:47.476 --> 0:05:48.716 with them to Savannah. 0:05:48.316 --> 0:05:51.436 Georgia, which is I have very Wrongnah? 0:05:51.556 --> 0:05:55.036 No, they just both had reason to go and wanted 0:05:55.076 --> 0:05:56.716 me to go with them, and I had never thought 0:05:56.756 --> 0:06:00.516 about it before, and I just I didn't go with 0:06:00.596 --> 0:06:04.036 the first one. But before I went with the second one, 0:06:04.236 --> 0:06:07.556 I just started thinking about the city and its history, 0:06:07.676 --> 0:06:10.436 and I found out how haunted it, and I just 0:06:10.476 --> 0:06:13.596 started thinking about ghosts in the past, and I wrote 0:06:13.596 --> 0:06:15.716 about how it feels to not be able to outrun 0:06:15.876 --> 0:06:16.276 your best. 0:06:16.716 --> 0:06:21.796 Wow, your first album was Are you happy now? You 0:06:21.916 --> 0:06:23.756 wrote that? I mean you wrote that right after the 0:06:23.756 --> 0:06:26.156 First Time come out? Were you happy after the First 0:06:26.156 --> 0:06:26.956 Time came about? 0:06:28.156 --> 0:06:28.276 Uh? 0:06:28.396 --> 0:06:29.676 Yeah, I was. I was. 0:06:29.996 --> 0:06:32.076 I mean, I was relieved more than anything because I'd 0:06:32.116 --> 0:06:36.196 been sitting on that album for three years and I 0:06:36.356 --> 0:06:40.036 made it between the ages right about twenty one twenty two. 0:06:40.036 --> 0:06:41.636 That was when I was making it, and then I 0:06:41.716 --> 0:06:44.516 was twenty four when it came out, and I just 0:06:44.556 --> 0:06:47.396 felt like I had already changed so much and I 0:06:47.556 --> 0:06:50.436 was really happy to be telling that story, relieved that 0:06:50.476 --> 0:06:51.956 it was finally out of my hands and into other 0:06:51.996 --> 0:06:54.836 people's hands, and just really excited about being able to 0:06:54.916 --> 0:06:57.036 tour it and see the world as a result of it. 0:06:57.556 --> 0:07:00.876 Is that is that because a lot of people will 0:07:00.916 --> 0:07:02.396 release a record, even if it's one they've been sin 0:07:02.476 --> 0:07:04.396 on for a while, but release it and it's just 0:07:04.596 --> 0:07:07.116 like there's not a lot of writing going on like 0:07:07.236 --> 0:07:09.516 immediately after. But is that, like is that part of 0:07:09.756 --> 0:07:11.996 a feature of your personality? Like are you? Are you 0:07:12.116 --> 0:07:15.076 always onto the next thing? Is that? Or was it 0:07:15.196 --> 0:07:15.836 that just happened? 0:07:16.156 --> 0:07:19.956 I'd say generally, it's interesting because in the aftermath of 0:07:20.196 --> 0:07:22.596 this most recent album, I definitely have not felt like 0:07:22.676 --> 0:07:24.196 I have as much time to write. I've written a 0:07:24.236 --> 0:07:26.716 little bit, but after the first album came out, I 0:07:26.756 --> 0:07:29.196 felt like I was still really going, Like it felt 0:07:29.196 --> 0:07:32.396 like the writing process was just not done. But also 0:07:32.396 --> 0:07:33.876 a big difference is that, like my audience is a 0:07:33.916 --> 0:07:36.636 lot bigger now. The rollout of this album has been 0:07:37.156 --> 0:07:39.196 met with more fanfare, so like I have a lot 0:07:39.236 --> 0:07:40.156 more press obligations. 0:07:40.156 --> 0:07:42.156 I want more touring obligations. So I'm just like not 0:07:42.316 --> 0:07:44.236 home in the way that I was three years ago. 0:07:44.596 --> 0:07:48.676 Yeah, So Savannah, you so you're asked two times by 0:07:48.676 --> 0:07:53.716 two different people. Did you write that before you went, 0:07:53.796 --> 0:07:56.436 like as you were learning about it? Or did did 0:07:56.476 --> 0:07:59.076 you rewrite anything after you went? Did you end up going? 0:07:59.236 --> 0:08:01.156 I did end up going, and I didn't rewrite anything. 0:08:01.196 --> 0:08:03.476 It still felt I mean, I definitely heard the voice 0:08:03.516 --> 0:08:05.236 memo in my head while I was there, but it 0:08:05.356 --> 0:08:07.876 felt very apt even after I actually ended up going, 0:08:07.956 --> 0:08:08.516 felt accurate. 0:08:08.556 --> 0:08:13.676 And what happened with did did? Why were you there? 0:08:15.076 --> 0:08:16.676 It was it was for a work trip. 0:08:16.876 --> 0:08:19.276 Coincidentally, he was just gonna be in Savannah, and he 0:08:19.356 --> 0:08:21.196 asked if I wanted to visit him while he was there, 0:08:21.276 --> 0:08:22.596 and I was like, I think I have to go 0:08:22.716 --> 0:08:24.636 because I've been asked now twice, and I think I 0:08:24.756 --> 0:08:25.676 have to see this place. 0:08:27.236 --> 0:08:27.836 That's amazing. 0:08:27.956 --> 0:08:29.676 People were very A lot of people ask me about 0:08:29.716 --> 0:08:32.156 like why Savannah, and it is a very odd story, 0:08:32.316 --> 0:08:34.436 and I think it is a really special city. Like 0:08:34.716 --> 0:08:36.436 I mean, ghost tours are like a big part of 0:08:36.516 --> 0:08:40.316 the attraction of the city, and like there's I mean 0:08:40.316 --> 0:08:42.236 there's so many like bachelorette Like while I was there, 0:08:42.276 --> 0:08:44.516 I saw a wedding and a bachelorette party, and I 0:08:44.556 --> 0:08:45.876 think then we were joking like, oh, we have to 0:08:45.916 --> 0:08:47.556 see a proposal and divorce and then we'll have the. 0:08:47.596 --> 0:08:48.716 Full the full set. 0:08:50.156 --> 0:08:53.116 And yeah, it's super humid, like obviously, like I remember 0:08:53.156 --> 0:08:54.636 when I got there, like I felt like I was 0:08:54.676 --> 0:08:56.756 swimming standing up because it was just like the air 0:08:56.916 --> 0:08:59.116 was just so thick, and like that'll just make you 0:08:59.196 --> 0:09:01.516 feel feelings like when you're in intense weather like that, 0:09:01.676 --> 0:09:04.396 like it just stirs up I think, strong emotions and everybody. 0:09:05.196 --> 0:09:07.916 It makes you feel well, alive, you're dead or something 0:09:08.796 --> 0:09:12.756 with it's like you're like absolutely something can go wrong. Perhaps, yes, 0:09:14.276 --> 0:09:17.316 that's pretty wrong. Yeah, did you write anything while they're 0:09:17.516 --> 0:09:18.116 like based on. 0:09:18.796 --> 0:09:19.676 I don't think I did. 0:09:19.996 --> 0:09:21.996 I don't think I did, but I feel like I'd 0:09:22.036 --> 0:09:25.556 probably go back, And I remember thinking being there and 0:09:25.636 --> 0:09:27.196 also being in a lot of other cities I've visited 0:09:27.276 --> 0:09:30.476 on tour, like these smaller towns are very conducive to writing. 0:09:30.516 --> 0:09:31.756 I think I think it would be good to do 0:09:31.876 --> 0:09:34.036 like a writing retreat at some point, like get an 0:09:34.036 --> 0:09:36.636 Airbnb and just like hole up somewhere and try to 0:09:36.676 --> 0:09:38.956 write as much as possible. Yeah, because there's not as 0:09:39.036 --> 0:09:40.916 much noise and as much distraction as there is in 0:09:40.916 --> 0:09:41.596 a place like La. 0:09:41.716 --> 0:09:44.556 Yeah, it's weird growing up in LA and then going 0:09:44.636 --> 0:09:46.556 to other places where you realize like, oh, like you 0:09:46.636 --> 0:09:48.916 know your friends will be from other places than you go, 0:09:48.996 --> 0:09:51.236 and you realize like, wow, I really grew up in 0:09:51.316 --> 0:09:52.956 a place that was not normal. 0:09:53.236 --> 0:09:55.716 Yeah, Like I have that realization so much. 0:09:57.716 --> 0:10:00.836 When did when did you first start getting outside of 0:10:01.236 --> 0:10:03.236 out of outside of LA for music? 0:10:04.116 --> 0:10:07.836 It didn't start until really until twenty twenty two, because 0:10:08.036 --> 0:10:09.516 I grew up in LA and and then I went 0:10:09.556 --> 0:10:12.876 to music school for college in LA and then a 0:10:12.956 --> 0:10:15.556 year after I graduated, the pandemic started, and so I 0:10:15.676 --> 0:10:18.196 wasn't touring at all or going anywhere, And so I 0:10:18.276 --> 0:10:20.316 started touring in twenty twenty two and that was when 0:10:20.356 --> 0:10:25.356 I started really meaningfully playing music in other places. And yeah, 0:10:25.396 --> 0:10:27.276 I just really saw the contrast of where I grew 0:10:27.356 --> 0:10:30.396 up with everywhere else. Like obviously there's just like the 0:10:30.476 --> 0:10:33.156 pace and the population, but it's just like the way 0:10:33.196 --> 0:10:35.916 people carry themselves. Like I always heard people say that 0:10:36.076 --> 0:10:37.676 LA was a place of you know, a lot of 0:10:37.716 --> 0:10:39.996 posturing and like a lot of people being fake. And 0:10:40.356 --> 0:10:42.316 I never understood it because, like, I know so many great, 0:10:42.396 --> 0:10:44.436 down to earth, authentic people in LA. But then I 0:10:44.476 --> 0:10:46.076 went to other places and I was like, oh, people 0:10:46.156 --> 0:10:49.196 are not putting on airs to go to the grocery store. 0:10:49.236 --> 0:10:52.356 Like people are not They're just not as obsessed about 0:10:52.476 --> 0:10:55.076 appearances and other places as they are here. And I realized, 0:10:55.196 --> 0:10:57.156 like how that probably took a psychic toll on me 0:10:57.156 --> 0:10:58.916 as a teenager in a way that I didn't comprehend 0:10:58.996 --> 0:10:59.916 until I was an adult. 0:11:00.356 --> 0:11:02.436 No, it's true. I even I like I live. I 0:11:02.516 --> 0:11:05.276 moved to Long Beach, and even just being like a 0:11:05.356 --> 0:11:08.156 little outside of the city, You're like, yo, like it's 0:11:08.236 --> 0:11:10.916 a very different way, Like nobody gives a fuck question 0:11:11.196 --> 0:11:13.756 at the grocery store, you know, as an example, like 0:11:13.796 --> 0:11:15.116 you just you can go in your pajama's at the 0:11:15.156 --> 0:11:17.836 grocery store and not feel like, yeah, it's a different 0:11:17.876 --> 0:11:20.636 way of it's probably a healthier way of living. 0:11:20.876 --> 0:11:23.116 Probably, yeah, But I do have an appreciation for having 0:11:23.156 --> 0:11:25.276 grown up in LA for all of the for all 0:11:25.316 --> 0:11:29.116 of its flaws. Like I'm such an LA apologist. I love, love, 0:11:29.236 --> 0:11:30.036 love Los Angeles. 0:11:30.076 --> 0:11:30.756 What do you love about it? 0:11:31.556 --> 0:11:33.516 Well, I mean the weather is obviously a huge part 0:11:33.556 --> 0:11:36.636 of it, and there's just something about the air, which 0:11:36.636 --> 0:11:38.676 some people would say it is pollution, but I like 0:11:38.716 --> 0:11:40.516 there's something about the air and the light that's just 0:11:40.556 --> 0:11:42.796 like very comforting to me. And it feels like there's 0:11:42.836 --> 0:11:44.836 just so much possibility, maybe because the city is so 0:11:44.916 --> 0:11:47.396 spread out and it's so many neighborhoods, like it feels 0:11:47.396 --> 0:11:49.756 like it never ends. And it feels like even though 0:11:49.796 --> 0:11:51.636 I've lived here my whole life, there's still so much 0:11:51.636 --> 0:11:55.236 I haven't explored. And I love that feeling of like endlessness. 0:11:56.076 --> 0:11:57.876 And also my whole family lives here, so it just 0:11:57.956 --> 0:12:00.796 feels very comforting to know that, like my brothers and 0:12:00.836 --> 0:12:03.196 my parents are just a drive away, Like I find. 0:12:03.036 --> 0:12:05.516 I just love like one thing you dislike about LA. 0:12:05.796 --> 0:12:06.156 I mean, the. 0:12:06.196 --> 0:12:09.316 Traffic obviously is bad. That's a gimme, Yeah, that's anything 0:12:09.356 --> 0:12:09.956 else I don't like. 0:12:10.236 --> 0:12:10.836 I don't like. 0:12:11.156 --> 0:12:13.076 I guess I don't like the ways and even though 0:12:13.116 --> 0:12:14.596 I do, I love my air one and I love 0:12:14.636 --> 0:12:16.596 the growth, I don't like the ways in which that 0:12:16.716 --> 0:12:20.236 has become representative for the entire city because like people 0:12:20.236 --> 0:12:21.996 are always shocked, for example, to find out that I'm 0:12:22.036 --> 0:12:24.156 from here, and I think it's because I'm not like 0:12:24.356 --> 0:12:27.036 a white woman with blonde hair drinking kale juice. But 0:12:27.036 --> 0:12:28.836 it's like I'm a black woman drinking kale juice first 0:12:28.836 --> 0:12:31.996 of all, and like there's just so much there's just 0:12:32.036 --> 0:12:35.676 so much diversity, Like I love, like I love hearing Spanish, 0:12:35.836 --> 0:12:36.956 Like that's another thing I love about like. 0:12:38.516 --> 0:12:40.116 Places. Yes, yeah, I miss. 0:12:39.996 --> 0:12:42.876 Hearing Spanish when I leave, and like there it just 0:12:42.996 --> 0:12:45.796 it makes me sad when people write I guess maybe 0:12:45.796 --> 0:12:47.316 this isn't a thing I just like about LA. But 0:12:47.396 --> 0:12:49.756 people saying that they hate LA because they're like, oh, 0:12:49.796 --> 0:12:53.316 I don't like influencers or like I don't like fake people, 0:12:53.476 --> 0:12:55.996 or I don't like the entertainment industry, and I'm like, 0:12:56.676 --> 0:12:58.756 even the things you dislike about it are more complex 0:12:58.836 --> 0:13:01.396 than you're realizing. They are lovely influencers and lovely people 0:13:01.436 --> 0:13:04.356 in the entertainment industry, and I've met them and like, yeah, 0:13:04.396 --> 0:13:07.556 I I it disappoints me when people allow their vision 0:13:07.596 --> 0:13:10.796 of LA to be super one dimensional and stereotypical, when 0:13:10.836 --> 0:13:13.156 there's just so much depth to living here. 0:13:13.396 --> 0:13:17.956 Yeah, agreed, Well, well said, thank you, and. 0:13:18.436 --> 0:13:21.636 Listen when I run for mayor what then, Wow, I 0:13:21.676 --> 0:13:23.396 would vote for you, Thank you, thank you. 0:13:23.796 --> 0:13:24.796 Wait, we could use it. 0:13:25.956 --> 0:13:28.436 I'm scheming. I'm plotting and scheming in you know, in 0:13:28.596 --> 0:13:29.476 like fifteen years. 0:13:30.156 --> 0:13:32.556 That's on the it's on the vision board job. I mean, 0:13:32.596 --> 0:13:34.556 I'm like, it's kind of a joke, but also it's real. 0:13:35.356 --> 0:13:37.876 There's a party that would like to run from Really. 0:13:38.156 --> 0:13:40.436 Everyone tells me not to, but I'm still thinking about it. 0:13:41.236 --> 0:13:42.556 When did that? When did that start? 0:13:43.476 --> 0:13:45.116 I just love LA so much and I have so 0:13:45.196 --> 0:13:47.556 many great ideas. And I don't want to be the 0:13:47.596 --> 0:13:49.436 president because that's too much work. But I want to 0:13:49.476 --> 0:13:50.796 be the president when I was a child because I'm 0:13:50.796 --> 0:13:54.356 a natural leader, and I would love I would love 0:13:54.956 --> 0:13:56.436 to be the mayor of Los Angeles and see if 0:13:56.436 --> 0:13:58.876 I can implement some of those ideas. But then, of 0:13:58.916 --> 0:14:00.676 course people are like well, if you just become rich 0:14:00.756 --> 0:14:02.836 and famous, you can implement your ideas without having to 0:14:02.916 --> 0:14:04.956 go through the red tape of politics, which is maybe 0:14:05.116 --> 0:14:07.236 very well be true. But I just I'm not ruling 0:14:07.276 --> 0:14:08.756 out a mayor all run when I'm older. 0:14:08.796 --> 0:14:09.796 I don't want to do it now. I have too 0:14:09.876 --> 0:14:10.396 much music to do. 0:14:10.516 --> 0:14:12.156 But it's more than to put it on the table 0:14:12.196 --> 0:14:15.236 so people aren't like surprised when it happened huge like 0:14:15.356 --> 0:14:17.596 Arnold farzeneggeror sounds like just from the beginning to say 0:14:17.636 --> 0:14:19.476 like I don't want to. I'm going to marry into 0:14:19.476 --> 0:14:23.076 the Kennedy family so I can. It's certainly not that, no, 0:14:24.476 --> 0:14:25.836 I mean, it's unseems cool. I don't know. 0:14:25.996 --> 0:14:27.956 No, I don't want to know. It'll be It'll be 0:14:28.036 --> 0:14:30.356 my political agenda will not be a marriage, but not 0:14:30.436 --> 0:14:31.436 be a marriage of politics. 0:14:32.116 --> 0:14:33.636 I don't want to get too derailed by this. But 0:14:33.676 --> 0:14:35.356 what are your ideas to fix? Well? 0:14:35.356 --> 0:14:37.116 I want there to be a fleet of electric buses 0:14:37.196 --> 0:14:39.516 that get implemented, because I don't think I love the metro. 0:14:39.636 --> 0:14:41.956 I took it in college actually, but. 0:14:42.036 --> 0:14:44.956 It'd be it's really really hard on people's commutes to 0:14:45.036 --> 0:14:47.396 be adding more metro lines, and I think one day 0:14:47.436 --> 0:14:49.036 that is the vision. But I think in the meantime, 0:14:49.076 --> 0:14:51.196 if we just get a fleet of super clean electric 0:14:51.276 --> 0:14:53.516 buses that are on the street, and we just overrun 0:14:53.556 --> 0:14:55.716 the street so that people will just become so inconvenienced 0:14:55.716 --> 0:14:57.356 by driving that they'll just get on the super clean 0:14:57.396 --> 0:14:58.236 new electric. 0:14:57.916 --> 0:15:01.396 Bus because the buses are slowing down there. 0:15:01.316 --> 0:15:03.396 There's but also because the buses look cool, they'll be 0:15:03.476 --> 0:15:04.196 nice and brand new. 0:15:04.716 --> 0:15:07.156 To your point, though, LA is so big, it is 0:15:07.196 --> 0:15:09.836 so big, Like you know, off, I don't know where 0:15:09.836 --> 0:15:11.716 you live. Let's say you're in Santa Monica. You know 0:15:11.996 --> 0:15:14.436 it's not but it's not weird living here to be 0:15:14.476 --> 0:15:16.716 like I'm going to go drive to like, you know, 0:15:16.916 --> 0:15:21.236 to the Huntington on a Saturday afternoon. Oh yeah, are 0:15:21.236 --> 0:15:23.316 you going to take the bus from Santa Monica to 0:15:23.356 --> 0:15:24.196 the Huntington. 0:15:23.916 --> 0:15:25.836 Ever, Well, I don't know that. I don't know. 0:15:25.916 --> 0:15:27.676 I think we still will have cars, but I think 0:15:27.716 --> 0:15:29.756 it should be a thing where like that's what cars 0:15:29.756 --> 0:15:31.876 are for, is for when you're making the big cross 0:15:32.076 --> 0:15:34.356 La Trek, but when you're in like your immediate neighbor, 0:15:34.476 --> 0:15:35.916 like if you live in Echo Park, like and you 0:15:36.036 --> 0:15:37.476 just want to go to Silver La or Los Felis, 0:15:37.516 --> 0:15:38.836 like you should be able to hop on a really 0:15:38.916 --> 0:15:41.316 nice clean electric bus to go there, as opposed to 0:15:41.356 --> 0:15:43.276 having a drive and find parking which is a nightmare. 0:15:43.716 --> 0:15:45.676 And yeah, I think there's I mean, there's an art 0:15:45.716 --> 0:15:47.596 to road trips. If I've learned anything from touring, it's 0:15:47.596 --> 0:15:49.236 at a great long road trip can be very healing 0:15:49.276 --> 0:15:52.116 for the soul. But I just think it'd be nice 0:15:52.116 --> 0:15:53.756 to have more options because like, I love living and 0:15:53.796 --> 0:15:56.276 spending time in London as well. They obviously have a 0:15:56.276 --> 0:15:58.956 great tube, they have great buses, and there are people 0:15:58.996 --> 0:16:00.916 in London with cars, but like you just don't have to. 0:16:01.156 --> 0:16:02.956 It's a nice to be freed from the shackles of 0:16:02.956 --> 0:16:03.316 big car. 0:16:03.516 --> 0:16:06.756 You're You're right, You are right when you say there's 0:16:06.756 --> 0:16:09.036 an art to toryn like do you is there are 0:16:09.276 --> 0:16:10.396 to road trips? 0:16:11.076 --> 0:16:11.116 What? 0:16:11.356 --> 0:16:12.796 Like? How do you well? 0:16:12.836 --> 0:16:14.676 The most important part of road trip is the playlist, 0:16:14.756 --> 0:16:17.636 and I love It's funny because on this last tour 0:16:17.996 --> 0:16:19.396 I was in a van with a band for the 0:16:19.436 --> 0:16:21.676 first time, and we were all yapping so much that 0:16:21.756 --> 0:16:23.916 there wasn't that much attention being paid to the music. 0:16:24.036 --> 0:16:26.596 Like at one point my guitar player drives sometimes and 0:16:26.676 --> 0:16:28.356 he put on The West Side Story soundtrack for me, 0:16:28.436 --> 0:16:29.316 cause that's my favorite musical. 0:16:29.596 --> 0:16:31.036 Wait, yo, that's a good soundtrack. 0:16:31.036 --> 0:16:33.476 It's really good and it's great for driving. It was 0:16:33.476 --> 0:16:34.716 like a late night drive and it was perfect. 0:16:34.956 --> 0:16:36.716 But when I was touring, what would be like just 0:16:36.796 --> 0:16:38.996 me and my manager, Like I would curate playlists and 0:16:39.036 --> 0:16:40.596 sometimes they would come to me, like in the dead 0:16:40.596 --> 0:16:42.076 of night. Like I woke up in the middle of 0:16:42.156 --> 0:16:44.236 the night one time to make a playlist that was 0:16:45.476 --> 0:16:48.356 in my feelings and Rich Girl by Hollo know Its 0:16:48.356 --> 0:16:50.196 and the Boy Is Mine and I was like, this 0:16:50.396 --> 0:16:50.876 is the start. 0:16:50.916 --> 0:16:52.396 I don't know what else is going on, but these 0:16:52.436 --> 0:16:53.436 are the first three songs. 0:16:53.636 --> 0:16:56.036 Wow, that's good. Wait what was the first one in? 0:16:57.316 --> 0:16:59.156 And then a Rich Girl and then the Boy's Mine. 0:16:59.156 --> 0:17:00.516 I was like, that's how this playlist is starting. I 0:17:00.556 --> 0:17:01.796 don't know where it's going, but I had to like 0:17:01.876 --> 0:17:03.636 it's a fever dream of like this must be how 0:17:03.676 --> 0:17:04.036 it begins. 0:17:05.356 --> 0:17:08.796 That's inspired. That's inspired work. I would love to know it. 0:17:09.756 --> 0:17:09.836 Oh. 0:17:10.036 --> 0:17:11.796 I ended up being hundreds of songs, but I liked 0:17:11.876 --> 0:17:14.756 doing a mix of like old school stuff, like stuff 0:17:14.756 --> 0:17:15.516 from my childhood. 0:17:16.196 --> 0:17:19.636 I love Craig David. No one talks about seven Days 0:17:19.676 --> 0:17:20.156 and fill me In? 0:17:20.396 --> 0:17:21.236 Yeah, I love me. 0:17:21.996 --> 0:17:22.956 I was in a hotel. 0:17:23.196 --> 0:17:25.236 I was standing outside of a hotel in Berlin at 0:17:25.236 --> 0:17:26.836 the beginning of the last leg of this tour, and 0:17:26.956 --> 0:17:29.516 fill Me In started playing over the speakers and I 0:17:29.596 --> 0:17:31.916 was like, this is so And I was with my manager. 0:17:31.996 --> 0:17:33.516 She couldn't hear it, and I was like, no, no, 0:17:33.796 --> 0:17:36.716 it's definitely happening. It was like raining. I was jet labbed. 0:17:36.756 --> 0:17:41.156 I was like, I'm maybe I'm hallucinating, but don't talk 0:17:41.196 --> 0:17:41.836 about Kig David. 0:17:41.916 --> 0:17:44.316 Kraig David always got to be in a playlist. Obviously 0:17:44.436 --> 0:17:46.836 loved to put some brandy on there. Obviously loved to 0:17:46.876 --> 0:17:48.596 put Holland notes. Like when I was a kid, I 0:17:48.676 --> 0:17:50.356 listened to my parents played me a lot of like 0:17:50.476 --> 0:17:52.676 James Taylor and Carol King like that always get the 0:17:52.756 --> 0:17:55.996 mood up, Fleewood Mac, you know, just all the classics. 0:17:56.036 --> 0:17:57.756 But then you also go there parents on board with that. 0:17:58.116 --> 0:17:59.756 I was both, but they both that was both of 0:17:59.836 --> 0:18:00.716 their musical diets. 0:18:01.516 --> 0:18:03.836 My mom was the one who was more like the 0:18:04.436 --> 0:18:06.956 She was like the James Taylor, Carol King stuff and 0:18:07.116 --> 0:18:09.396 Stevie Wonder both my parents were. Stevie Wonder was like 0:18:09.396 --> 0:18:10.556 the big overlap, I would say. 0:18:10.476 --> 0:18:12.156 For my parents. Yeah, like my dad. So my dad 0:18:12.276 --> 0:18:12.716 is a lawyer. 0:18:12.876 --> 0:18:15.356 But he won my mom over by singing to her. 0:18:15.756 --> 0:18:18.276 And he used to sing Donnie Hathaway and Stevie Wonder 0:18:18.316 --> 0:18:18.516 to her. 0:18:18.676 --> 0:18:19.676 Wait what yeah? 0:18:20.196 --> 0:18:20.236 What? 0:18:20.596 --> 0:18:20.796 Yeah? 0:18:20.796 --> 0:18:23.236 He has a beautiful voice. Really, but he was like, 0:18:23.316 --> 0:18:24.596 you know, he was like, I have to make money, 0:18:24.636 --> 0:18:26.396 so he didn't. He didn't pursue it. But he went 0:18:26.396 --> 0:18:27.596 to high school with Lenny Cravitz. 0:18:27.756 --> 0:18:29.156 What yeah, like in Venice. 0:18:29.596 --> 0:18:30.796 They went to Beverly Hill High School. 0:18:30.956 --> 0:18:32.316 He's right, Okay, that's right, that's right. 0:18:32.996 --> 0:18:35.556 What? Yeah? So he had like a he loves music 0:18:35.676 --> 0:18:35.996 so much. 0:18:36.116 --> 0:18:37.716 But what grow where did he grow up? 0:18:37.876 --> 0:18:38.876 He grew up here because his. 0:18:38.956 --> 0:18:41.476