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Speaker 1: On the Bell cast, the questions asked if movies have

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Speaker 1: so excited that we have a wonderful returning guest to

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Speaker 1: Alien Resurrection a k A. A movie that struggled to

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Speaker 1: Bechtel Cast. Welcome to it. I'm Caitlin Darante, I'm Jamie Loftus,

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Speaker 1: and this is our show where we examine movies through

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Speaker 1: an intersectional feminist lens, using the Bechtel Tests simply as

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Speaker 1: a jumping off point. Jamie, remind me, please, what is it? Okay? So,

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Speaker 1: the Bechtel test is a media metric invented by queer

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of versions of it. Our version is

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Speaker 1: a wonderful returning guest. She's an actor. You've seen her

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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, thanks for having me back. Welcome back, Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: a scene where Ripley meets this rag tag crew of

425
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 1: space pirates. She sort of plays basketball with them, and

426
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: then she also fights them. She also seems superhuman and

427
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: her blood is acidic, just like the aliens blood is,

428
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: so it's becoming increasingly clear that she is perhaps part alien. Then,

429
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 1: when on a writer A. K. Call goes to try

430
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: to kill Ripley, Call is trying to kind of secretly

431
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 1: stop the military people from breeding the aliens. But then

432
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: she doesn't end up killing Ripley when she realizes they've

433
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: already taken the alien out of her, and then this

434
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,199
Speaker 1: big fight breaks out between the Space Pirates and the

435
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: military where most of the military end up dead. This

436
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: is also when hell just kind of generally breaks loose,

437
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: where a couple aliens get loose from their enclosure and

438
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: kill several people, including Dan Hydeia and the character Elgin

439
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: And you get that amazing what you're saying earlier, crazy

440
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: like your head gets blown out and he's like, oh

441
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: my brains. And then and then Dan Hyday goes home

442
00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: and he's like, Wow, this is going to be such

443
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: a hell areas comedy that I just shot, like he who.

444
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: I enjoyed that moment a lot because I was like, yeah,

445
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: you know, he really does think that this is a

446
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: different genre, and I appreciate his commitment. Yes, so cartoony.

447
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: We always quote Liz Lemon at that point because she's

448
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: got a line on dirty rocks. I hope it's not

449
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: an important part of my blearn wow. Okay. So then

450
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: Ripley teams up with the Space Pirates. One of the

451
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: scientists is also with them, Wren, and they have to

452
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: start to figure out how to get off this military

453
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: ship that is now completely infested with aliens. So they

454
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: make their way to their cargo freighter called the Betty,

455
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: and on the way, Ripley discovers a room with a

456
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: bunch of past Ripley clones, presumably the first seven that

457
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: didn't work out, because they keep calling her Ripley eight.

458
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: So it turns out they were just you know, making

459
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: all these like Ripley slash alien hybrids. There's all manner

460
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: of body horror in the scene, and then she destroys

461
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: all of them and then they move onward without like

462
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: a flamethrower. It's like she couldn't destroy them any more. Yeah,

463
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: it's just it's cannon for there to be a flamethrower death,

464
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: and it's cannon for someone to go kill me. Which

465
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: it's nice to get a return to that in sort

466
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: of a full circle of it being Ripley love a

467
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: good callback. Yeah. Also, so after Ripley destroys all of

468
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: the failed clones, Ron Perlman's character is like, Wow, what

469
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: are ways to Ammo? And then like Ripley's crying because

470
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: she just had to kill all these versions of herself,

471
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: and He's like, oh, most be a chick thing feminist icon.

472
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: Ron Perlman, I love, I hope. I don't know anything

473
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: about Ron Perlman as a person, but I really enjoy

474
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: seeing him in movies and I love his beauty and

475
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: the Beast CBS show that he did with Girl Boss

476
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: Linda Hamilton's Belle Lawyer lived in the Sewers of New York.

477
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: If you have Paramount Plus, he gotta watch it. It's

478
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: so bizarre. He breaks when Sigourney Weaver for real makes

479
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: the three point line, throwing the basketball over like into

480
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: the basket. He immediately breaks, And I just have to

481
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: imagine that Sigourney Weaver must have said nothing. Must have

482
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: been so graceful about it, but must have just been

483
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: so furious that he immediately ruined that shot. I was reading.

484
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: I was trying to find out about that shot, because

485
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: I guess that there was like a popular myth for

486
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: a while that she got it on the first try. No, well,

487
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: the first take, she didn't get get it in rehearsal Um.

488
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,719
Speaker 1: She trained really intensively with the professional basketball player right

489
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: for like for like least. It a very intense two weeks,

490
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: and apparently her trainer that she was supposed to not

491
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: try to make it, and her trainer come up to

492
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: her and was like, trying to make it, you can

493
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: do it. She did it. I heard she was trained

494
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: by the Monstars, and that's she was so good. I

495
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: like that. That's a good headcanon. Yeah, or bugs, Bunny

496
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: Bugs Bunny came over. He's like, you've got this. She's spinning.

497
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: She's spinning the ball on her pointy manicure that she

498
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: has because she's part Aliens, so obviously she has pointy

499
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: black nails like the Aliens, which seems harder. I've never

500
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: spun a basketball in my finger, and I never will,

501
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: but it seems harder. To do with the curl nails. Yeah,

502
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: she really makes it look convincing, like when she's that

503
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: the choices made in that scene are all so funny

504
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,239
Speaker 1: and good, Like that scene in no way requires that

505
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: she's playing basketball very well. But who was her idea?

506
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: It's so good was it that? It seems like from

507
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: the interviews that it was her idea because she imagined

508
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: it as the character kind of getting out of prison

509
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: and just trying to have a good time, which is

510
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: also while she keeps playing after beating people up. Okay,

511
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: I think it's it's so funny, it's well, it's the

512
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: type of thing that where in a movie that I

513
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: think had been more competently written for basketball skills would

514
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry everyone played later, would would pay off

515
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: in some way, but then they don't, and so the

516
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: skill of hers is just established for no reason, and

517
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: then we just move on from basketball. After that, Christie's

518
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: skills come back into play. But from that scene, true, Yeah,

519
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: I did. I did kind of wish on the second watch,

520
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, it would have been cool if basketball came back.

521
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: I don't know how it would have, but it would

522
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: have been cool at least be good at throwing something

523
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: would make sense, right, like pay off on that perfect shot.

524
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: That's a good throws blood later it's more of a flick.

525
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: It's true. I think that's I don't think it comes.

526
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: But also it's the way this movie works. I'm like,

527
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: you know what, if there's a dropped thread, fine, I've

528
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: I'll never regret having watched the basketball scene. There's so

529
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: many threads. Though, you can't complain about that many threads,

530
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 1: It's true. Okay, So then the characters have to swims

531
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: through like the flooded kitchen area. Aliens are chasing them

532
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: through the water. They make it to the other side,

533
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: but there's this huge nest where the queen has laid

534
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: a bunch of eggs. Also in that underwater scene, the

535
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: other I like to call her other woman, other lady. Yep,

536
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 1: Hillard dies and we'll miss her so much. Just kidding.

537
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: We don't know a single thing about her, and I

538
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: kept forgetting she had died. Her feet gets such a

539
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: closer close up than her face, even right before she

540
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: dies in this movie. Yeah, I wonder give her a

541
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: closer close up. She's about to die. The movie really like,

542
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 1: the movie doesn't even seem to care that they're coming

543
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: off this character to the play where I'm like, well,

544
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: why did you add her if she says no words

545
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: and she's in the way background of every shot, and

546
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: then they're just like, oh, and also she died. He died. Yeah,

547
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: there was that shot that went all the way down

548
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 1: her body to her feet, So well there, that's why

549
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: they had her there. She's also the character that I

550
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: guess like she and the Captain Elgin are an item

551
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: and he says something like, oh, there's nothing hotter than

552
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: seeing a woman strap to a chair. That does happen?

553
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: I'm like, is that why she's there? Like, there's so

554
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 1: many different creepy reasons that I hate that this character

555
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: could have been completely neglected by the plot. Yeah, poor whatever.

556
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: That lady's name is Hillard, R I p that lady

557
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: Hillard Hillard, Hillard Hillard. Yes, justice for Hillard and truly.

558
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: So they are burst onto the other side in the

559
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: middle of this nest. They're fighting their way out this

560
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: kind of trap. Some people die along the way, like

561
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 1: Winona writer, including Christie, And I don't know why. I've

562
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: seen this movie very many times and I don't understand

563
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: why Christie sacrifices himself like acid to the face, big deal,

564
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: But I don't get the self sacrifice. Besides, he's really

565
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: good and we need him to go away so that

566
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: later other deaths are more surprising, like we need to

567
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: lose our sharpshooter, but I don't understand why he sacrifices himself.

568
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 1: I was also I also had questions about that as well,

569
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: because they also just like there. It seems like the

570
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: second the plot starts to ramp up, with the exception

571
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: of like Sigourney and Winona, they're like, let's just kill

572
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: off every woman and person of color we can, so

573
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: we're left with the worst white guys that aren't well

574
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: written characters in the movie. And then our leads like

575
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: it just is like but why but why? Yeah, I mean,

576
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 1: good question. Dr Wren's death is kind of fun. Yeah, yes,

577
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:10,240
Speaker 1: we do get left. Yeah right, Okay, So Christie dies,

578
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 1: call a k Nona writer dies, the military science dude

579
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: Wren betrays them. He's the one who kills call just kidding.

580
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: She's not dead because Big reveal she's a robot, and

581
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: then they use her to like hack into the ship

582
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: and basically set hacker dialogue here where she's just like

583
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 1: she uses every buzzword available. She's like, yeah, I had

584
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: to hack into the ship's main frame to the motherboard,

585
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 1: and now where it's all computers, You're like totally, yes,

586
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: I get it. Well, it's revealed also that she's an

587
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: auto toon, and like there's a lot of like you know,

588
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: reproduction anxiety as it also relates to like cloning and

589
00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: then making robots throughout these movies. But there's Ripley's prejudice

590
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: against robots throughout, and then in this world there's at

591
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: least not twentieth century racism like in Aliens, but there's

592
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: lots and lots of prejudice against this new generation of

593
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: robots that were created by robots, and so like it

594
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: is cool, like everyone's like really grossed out and treats

595
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: in a writer like I can't believe I almost fucked you,

596
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: you gross robot who had thrown control over their actions

597
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: another just like Ron Perlman and if you robot like okay,

598
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,439
Speaker 1: I was, I was like, what is huh? Yeah, there's

599
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: another part where Elgin is talking to Dan Hydaya's character

600
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: and he's just like, yeah, did you see the new

601
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,919
Speaker 1: crew member we've got isn't she so fuckable? And he's

602
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 1: talking about one on a writer's character and yeah, and

603
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: then everyone as soon as they find out she's a robot,

604
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: there like you gross weird, like something that I think

605
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: is like and I and I will defer to both

606
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: of you for referencing if this is a trend in

607
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: the entire franchise, but that, like, the misogyny of the

608
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: men in this movie is so over the top that

609
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 1: I feel like I was just like, what is that?

610
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 1: Like it's it's maybe that's the genre thing, but it's

611
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: just so much and it seems like they have to

612
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: They make an effort to remind you every ten minutes,

613
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: like someone says something absolutely like horrific. It's never subtle,

614
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: it's always really aggressive and it doesn't ever really stop.

615
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: I don't know, And it's never sci fi bigotry. It's

616
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: never like this is what sexism would be in the future.

617
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: And even their ship just like regular sexism. Their ship

618
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: is called the Betty and has a pin up girl

619
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: on it, and it's just like why why is there?

620
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: Why is there this? Why is it still this? Like

621
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: I like, I like there being only racism against robots,

622
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: like that's a on idea, but like I feel like,

623
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: come up with a new kind of prejudice and then

624
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: your crechequing prejudice instead of just saying that in the

625
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: year twenty which when does this one take place? Seventy nine?

626
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: I mean seventy nine. Apparently we're making jokes about illegal aliens,

627
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: but nine that's we still got pin up girls on ships.

628
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 1: I mean, fortunately in twenty three seventy nine, um our

629
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: species will be extinct, so it's kind of a true

630
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 1: the non issue. But it is like this bizarre like

631
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 1: why is there just seven misogyny here? I guess because

632
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:42,919
Speaker 1: they're like, you're in space, you can do whatever you want.

633
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: But they're like, well, women suck. Yeah, let's let's make

634
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: fun of the person in the wheelchair. And also like

635
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: how with my new employee? Yeahipes, there's a lot of it.

636
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: Thanks Josh Weeden for your amazing dialogue. Also, no no

637
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: room for a wet whiskey, but like there's obviously a

638
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: lot of water on the ship that can leak out everywhere.

639
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: Like that seems heavy, true, very wet spaceships throughout. I

640
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: did like the whiskey cube special effect, very very satisfying,

641
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: also apparently still lemons and cherries, which is very optimistic

642
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: about there, Like our military general is eating a lemon.

643
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: I didn't even think of that. Where are the bees? Right? Um? Okay?

644
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: So they hack into the ship basically call sets like

645
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: a collision course to crash the big ship that the

646
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: aliens have infested so that they can get to the

647
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 1: Betty and escape in this smaller freighter. Then as they're

648
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 1: getting is there like rushing towards the Betty, Ripley falls

649
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: through the floor and into a pile of aliens. Then

650
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: she cuddles with the queen, but it's but it's sexy

651
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: cuddling even though it's her daughter, okay. And then the

652
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: queen who thanks and a part of her and and

653
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: weirdly a clony part of her. Yeah, yeah, they share jeans,

654
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: not just because she's the mom, right, yes, I have so,

655
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 1: I just have all question marks in that area to

656
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: find out that like, okay, we have no answers, okay, okay,

657
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,720
Speaker 1: good okay. So and then the queen, who thanks to Ripley,

658
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:30,240
Speaker 1: now has a human reproductive system just described as a gift.

659
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: Just a guy who has been trying to train the

660
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 1: aliens just like her gift to her was a human

661
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: reproductive system, which the movie does subvert because the alien

662
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: is so obviously an agony, which I like in this

663
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: movie that is so obsessed with this one woman's maternity.

664
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: This movie at least is this is disgusting, like human

665
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: reproduction is disgusting and supposed to the other movies that

666
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 1: are like, oh, Egg's bad, human who human? Make baby good?

667
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 1: You be mother and business like aliens writhing around with

668
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: this little arms twitching about an agony. Yeah, you're just like,

669
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 1: why is everything so horny and painful seeming in this one? Yeah,

670
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: equal parts horny and pain Okay, So the queen has

671
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: now has a human reproductive system and then gives birth

672
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 1: to this half alien half like it has a human

673
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: skull face and then also meals like a cat. And

674
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: so that's Ripley's grand child. And the trainer guy after

675
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: watching Ripley, I mean, if anything play the role of

676
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:47,240
Speaker 1: father in this relationship, then he says, look, he thinks

677
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: you're the mother, which I think it's really funny and

678
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 1: more of a critique of men viewing the thing rather

679
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 1: than like actually making Ripley be the mother. Thinks you're

680
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: the mother and it's like, well, no, it just Stroid.

681
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: It's mother. It thinks Ripley is it's God like, it's not.

682
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 1: It's really Ripley anyway, and maybe we're getting too into

683
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: it for the plot. I love like that didn't click

684
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: for me, but I was like, what what are you

685
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 1: talking about? She's obviously not the mother. You'd watch the

686
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: whole birth and sex scene like cocoon. He's really chilling

687
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: in this cocoon. He's one side note, the actor's IMDb

688
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: photo looks exactly like a picture of Buster Keaton. This

689
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: is like in Black Boy. Come. That actor is Brad Doriff,

690
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: who played worm Tongue in Lord of the Rings as

691
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: well as he's a major character in One for Over

692
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:51,760
Speaker 1: the Cuckoo's Nest. So he's got range anyway. Okay, so

693
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: there's all the weird like horny ancestual cuddling. I'm sorry

694
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: you forgot his most important credit, Brad Dorriff is the

695
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: voice of Chucky. Oh my God. Dora has appeared in

696
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: a number of horror films, most notably as the voice

697
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: of Chucky in the Whole Child's Play franchise. He's canon Chucky.

698
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: I also think he as him like as an actor, Like,

699
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: were you not just him voice acting Chucky? But I

700
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: think he's also in the Chucky movies as a different

701
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 1: character as well. But I might be completely misremembering. No,

702
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: I think you're right Charles Lee Ray, who I think

703
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 1: is like the serial killer who's trapped inside of or

704
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: Charles Lee. Yeah, he's like one of the bad guys

705
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: in Chucky and also the real bad guy, which is

706
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: which is Chucky. I watched Chucky for the first time

707
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: last year and I was like, damn, this is pretty good.

708
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: I liked it. It kind of holds up. Yeah, I

709
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: was like Chucky. And then I watched Aubrey Plaza Chucky

710
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: and it wasn't that bad. It wasn't as good as

711
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: original Chucky. But you know, maybe well I don't know

712
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: if we have anything to say about Chucky on this

713
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: particular show, but it was fun. Sure. So anyways, Chucky's

714
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: in the movie. Chucky's in the movie. He dies. There's

715
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: been all this horny ancestral cuddling. And then Ripley runs

716
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: away and heads towards the Betty ship, but the weird

717
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: alien follows her and gets onto the ship as well,

718
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: and Ripley and such a good deal though, it's my

719
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 1: goodness called trying to close the door, and then the alien,

720
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: baby alien helps She was like, oh, baby alien, that

721
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 1: good or bad? That scene. I when Caitlin and Ikyl

722
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: and I watched this together the first time, and I

723
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: was like, maybe I just haven't been paying close enough

724
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 1: attention because I feel like this whole dramatic cutting back

725
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: and forth feels very bizarre and unearned. But then I

726
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,720
Speaker 1: watched the second time, I'm like, no, it still feels

727
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: that wait where it's like something about the editing in

728
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: the scene where it just it keeps cutting back to

729
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: Sigourdy Weaver for a little bit too long, where she's

730
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: like and then you come back to like this terrifying

731
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: like suck through a whole bad c G. I I

732
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: loved it. I love that scene. It's so confusing because

733
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: what's about to happen is that Ripley and Call have

734
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: to deal with the alien who's gotten on board the

735
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:30,760
Speaker 1: Betty and Ripley flings her acid blood onto a window

736
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: and it creates this hole and then the weird cat

737
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:39,240
Speaker 1: human alien get sucked out of the whole into space

738
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: in what is one of the most disgusting like body

739
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: horror things I've ever seen. It takes its time, and

740
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: the movie really milks it for a long time, but

741
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:55,760
Speaker 1: not before Ripley kind of makes out with the alien

742
00:47:55,880 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: a k a. Her grandchild. It's like horny nuzzling. Yeah,

743
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: it's very it's very charged. Yes, And then the movie

744
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: ends with Ripley and call arriving on Earth and they're like, wow,

745
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 1: it's nice the end. So let's take another break and

746
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: then we'll come back to discuss, and we're back, Uh

747
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 1: so crazy. I kind of wanted to start with you

748
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: here and sort of let you lead us through what

749
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: are we missing about this movie? What are and and like,

750
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 1: what about the popular kind of opinions surrounding this movie?

751
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: Do you feel very differently about Okay, let me make

752
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 1: my plea for Alien Resurrection, because I think that it's

753
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 1: really kind of I really don't like that this movie

754
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: becomes so obsessed with making Ripley into a mom. Obviously

755
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 1: it was written as female. It took a long time

756
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: for the writers to conceive of any of the characters

757
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: not being men, and even longer for them to think, like, well,

758
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: what if it was even the lead? And then the

759
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: sequels like backstory was actually a mom, but we're going

760
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 1: to take that away. Also like be a mom this

761
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: whole movie, which was cool at the time because she's

762
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: doing a good job at her job and being a mom,

763
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: which I guess like historical context is powerful. And then

764
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 1: the third one, she's pregnant the whole time, but within

765
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: with an alien and like it's like stick like you know.

766
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: And then it's obsessed with the fact that she is

767
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: female bodied because she's on a planet of rapists that

768
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 1: only rpe female body people apparently, and have a religion

769
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,919
Speaker 1: that women are bad and comtresses and should be kept

770
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: far away, and like, to me, that ruins the metaphor

771
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: of it. What I like about this monster is it's

772
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: a rape metaphor where everybody has to have birth anxiety.

773
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of movies that include write

774
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: metaphors are very very gendered, and I like that it

775
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,800
Speaker 1: isn't doing that. But these movies are kind of obsessed

776
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: with Ripley being a mom or not being a mom,

777
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: and please be a mom. And then I think Alien

778
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: Resurrection has the opinion that reproduction is disgusting, and you

779
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: think alien reproduction is disgusting, like human reproduction also disgusting

780
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: and terrible for the mother, and aliens are gross and

781
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: other and to be killed, but they are because of us.

782
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: It's a xenomorph like they're the way that they are

783
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 1: the like like, I don't know, I feel like a

784
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: lot of the xenomorphus bad qualities come from us, and

785
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,240
Speaker 1: we see that in this movie with the alien sacrificing

786
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: the other one. They kind of seem naturally high minded

787
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 1: or even like they might have whale type intelligence and

788
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,240
Speaker 1: consciousness of the group, like ants or whales, but because

789
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 1: they are partially us, they have this disgusting individualism. And

790
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: then this movie kind of takes it even farther where

791
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: then the reproduction becomes human, and then the baby becomes

792
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: groutesquely more human like. And then like this alien baby

793
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: who I just I love and I'll give all the

794
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: nipples to like I love alien baby, um and the

795
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,439
Speaker 1: way that they light it so maybe they get sucked

796
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: through a hole. Yes, I love alien baby. I feel

797
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: for alien baby. They really make you watch her die. Yeah,

798
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: they really make you watch that baby die. But like

799
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: even when it's like even when it's attacking, you don't

800
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: know whether or not it's attacking, and I feel like

801
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 1: that's the human not like you know, the xenomorphs that

802
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: were used to age very very quickly. But this is

803
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: more human, and it seems a more emotionally volatile and

804
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,879
Speaker 1: it doesn't have like a prime directive and at one

805
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: moment will be very very cute and cuddly but then

806
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: also screaming and like as if it wants to attack

807
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: you and sort of how is that different than the

808
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: human baby? And I think what's cool and what'sever feminist

809
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: about these movies is like the world is like, Rippley,

810
00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 1: you should have a baby, Like why didn't you have

811
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: a baby two hundred and eighty four years ago or whatever?

812
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 1: And Ripley always chooses to save humanity instead of like

813
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: an individual family, and like, in that way is much

814
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: more parental, um and heroic than like just like, let's

815
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: have this character be a mother who wants to get

816
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: home to see her daughter's eleventh birthday. Um. So, what

817
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: I love about this movie is I feel like you

818
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,919
Speaker 1: really get into who is disgusting. Is it the xenomorpher

819
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 1: is it the humanity that they have adopted genetically? And

820
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: this movie is just really like like reproduction in general

821
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: is disgusting. It's gross when robots to do it themselves.

822
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: It's gross when we clone things. It's gross when aliens

823
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: have babies, and it's also gross when humans have babies.

824
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: It is terrible and traumatic and disgusting. And why is

825
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: there still humanity in the year twenty three? Whatever this is?

826
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I totally like, I I thank you for

827
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: like laying that out for us, because it feels like

828
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: this movie has not gotten this out of like love

829
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: and attention to detail. I'm so interested in that because

830
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 1: that was like, I still have a lot of confusion honestly,

831
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 1: and like some criticism around this movie, but I did

832
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: like one thing that really hit for me in ripley

833
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 1: eight's character in this movie was and I feel like

834
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: it's I guess that they explore it kind of thoroughly.

835
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 1: It's all over the place, but the idea that she

836
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: is considered worthless after the baby has been taken out

837
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,280
Speaker 1: of her, and like I think Dan Hydeal literally refers

838
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: to her as like she's a sack of meat to

839
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: us at this point, we don't care. And I feel

840
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: like that does say something about how we in today

841
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:49,720
Speaker 1: years still kind of characterized mothers, or or how people

842
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: with with wombs are characterized after they've you know, quote

843
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:58,359
Speaker 1: unquote served their purpose and perpetuated the human race and

844
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: all and all of that, and and how ripley eight

845
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 1: is determined to continue to just like find purpose and

846
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:12,800
Speaker 1: meaning in whatever that means for her after it's clear

847
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 1: that the structure in which she has been brought into

848
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: has seen her as like outliving her use I feel

849
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: like you can apply that to motherhood, you can apply

850
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:25,280
Speaker 1: that to just aging in general, and like she feels

851
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: confident that she still has purpose and wants to keep

852
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: learning more about herself after people have told her that

853
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: she no longer is useful. So from from that perspective,

854
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:40,240
Speaker 1: I really like that's the part of ripley eight journey

855
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 1: that I felt like was really effective. And then there's

856
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 1: a bunch of other stuff also, right my my, I

857
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 1: think there could be a parallel drawn between some of

858
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,919
Speaker 1: the stuff that's happening in this movie and the things

859
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: that are happening in tech exist right now. As far

860
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:06,359
Speaker 1: as the abortion band and like an obsession of being

861
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: control in control of the bodies of like childbearing people,

862
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: where this movie I guess I was maybe oversimplifying things

863
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 1: in my brain in terms of like this franchise does

864
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: get more and more obsessed with like reproduction, especially as

865
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 1: it pertains to wombs and birthing and motherhood, where like

866
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 1: the first movie you just established that basically anyone can

867
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:39,439
Speaker 1: get impregnated by these face huggers and then you give

868
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,439
Speaker 1: birth out of your chest, and that's what we see

869
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 1: happening to John Hurt's character. Aliens heightens this where we

870
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:50,919
Speaker 1: see that happening I think, to a few different characters,

871
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 1: and then we see like the Queen mother laying eggs,

872
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:58,320
Speaker 1: and then like Ripley becomes a de facto mother to

873
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 1: Newt and then it's like you said, this kind of

874
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 1: like Cannon gets retroactively established that she was also previously

875
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 1: a mother. I would say, Alien three, there isn't quite

876
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 1: so much like birth thing type imagery and metaphor, but

877
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: that she's saved and she's precious because she's pregnant with

878
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 1: an alien. Yes, that's that's true. That's true. And then

879
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: this movie, like we've hinted at, there's so much imagery,

880
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: like every few minutes it seems like there's some birth

881
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: metaphor happening, or there's some reference to wounds and reproduction,

882
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,439
Speaker 1: and I mean, and sometimes it's not even if it's

883
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: not stated, it's visually stated, where it's like when they

884
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: get out of the water thing, they have to like

885
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:49,720
Speaker 1: kind of born themselves again because there's that weird little

886
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: birth shell that they got to punch through. I'm like, oh,

887
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:55,399
Speaker 1: and then they all got borned again. You take your

888
00:56:55,400 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: first breath again, People keep being born. I mean, even

889
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 1: the way that baby alien dies, it's getting sucked through

890
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 1: a hole that could maybe even be considered like a

891
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 1: birth metaphor. But then I was, as you were kind

892
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: of laying all of that out, Gracie, I was like, oh, well,

893
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: this movie is largely about this group of men who

894
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 1: are doing all of these like experiments and cloning and

895
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: obsessed with They're the ones who are obsessed with this

896
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 1: reproduction and these creatures with wombs and birth thing and

897
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: all that stuff. Much this way that like conservative lawmakers

898
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: are obsessed with controlling again the bodies of child bearing people.

899
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: So I wonder, I don't know how much intentional commentary

900
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 1: there is on that in this movie, but I think

901
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 1: there's like an interesting parallel that you can draw in

902
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: terms of like Yeah, look, how obsessed these people who

903
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: don't really understand quote unquote female reproduction and wombs and

904
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 1: bodily autonomy and having choices over your own body. Like

905
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 1: they clone Ripley without her consent. They don't know if

906
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 1: she was already impregnated with the alien or if they

907
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: impregnate her either way, Like that whole thing happens without

908
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: her consent, and then all this other stuff just like

909
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 1: they're just making choices for these people and or creatures. Yeah. Yeah,

910
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: like it's wait, you're blowing our minds or alien resurrection good. Actually, well,

911
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: I think you know, we've seen the military in this

912
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 1: in this world two years before that and this, and uh,

913
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 1: there are a lot of not a lot of them

914
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 1: get named aloud, and um, a lot of them die

915
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 1: pretty early, but there are men and women in the military.

916
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 1: And I think it is intentional in the script that

917
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 1: all of these military people who were outside of like

918
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: legal jurisdiction to they're like in an area of space

919
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: where like things aren't controlled. Um, but they're all male.

920
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: And then also the ship is father instead of mother

921
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 1: like in the other movies. Yeah, and like you know,

922
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 1: like in your previous discussion about alien like there's even

923
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 1: like should that count as the character? I think it's

924
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 1: really problematic to make subservient robots and computers female. Like

925
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: the first year that Siri came out, the number one

926
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 1: question that she was asked it was what's your brass eyes?

927
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 1: And we had a conversation like that in the in

928
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 1: the her episode a couple of years ago. Now where

929
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 1: it's like that is such a like there is a

930
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 1: psychological human conditioning by society not by nature, that people

931
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:50,479
Speaker 1: are more comfortable telling female voice what to do, yeah,

932
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 1: and then yelling at it when it's wrong. That's not

933
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: what I asked for, Yeah, right, yeah. Um. And I

934
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: I think I think it is intentional that it's father,

935
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: And I think it is intentional that it's that these

936
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 1: character like ridiculous over the top cartoon isial men think

937
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: that they can possess life and control and profit off

938
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 1: of life and they can't control the aliens and they

939
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 1: can't control Ripley and it's the death of them all. Um.

940
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: So I do think I do think it is intentionally

941
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: commenting on that. Um. There is one female character who

942
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 1: is on their side who has just builled as antithesiologist UM,

943
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 1: and that does not follow the loftest rule of women

944
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: with least hair has most power. It's true, It's true,

945
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 1: which is unfortunate. She is the baldest woman, but she

946
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 1: is not in charge. She's the opposite of in charge

947
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: and unnamed, which I feel like a lot of these

948
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 1: characters don't have allowed names. To give them a name. Yeah, yeah, true,

949
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 1: Like it's I mean, I guess Hillard technically has a name,

950
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 1: but also they forgot to write her a character. Yeah.

951
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: And kind of going off of that discussion, the other

952
01:00:55,880 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 1: thing that really worked for me in in this be

953
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 1: was the connection that call in Ripley eight end up

954
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 1: forming by listening to each other, because it's what I

955
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 1: whatever call has we we learned has been you know,

956
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 1: told and programmed by the patriarchal structure that she was

957
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 1: made by to destroy Ripley. But in connecting with each

958
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 1: other in a way that makes sense in story, they're

959
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 1: not just like, oh where you know, we're the women characters,

960
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 1: so we have to band together and be friends in

961
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 1: a vague way. But it's like you have like two

962
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 1: real scenes with them figuring each other out and forming

963
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 1: uh bond and a friendship and at first honestly, going

964
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 1: into this episode, I was like, Wow, we have like

965
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 1: five million asshole human men and are too like the

966
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 1: two women who are the leads of this movie. They

967
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 1: have I think humanity in the from the story aspect,

968
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 1: but it's like a Lien clone born Sigourney yesterday and

969
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 1: uh robot Winona. But the more we talk about it,

970
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 1: the less I'm fixating on that. I don't know, because

971
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 1: I do because they're They're scenes together are very are

972
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:19,439
Speaker 1: are very I think like you understand why they band together,

973
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 1: and you understand why Ripley eight is choosing call Over

974
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 1: baby Yeah, And I think, you know, kind of the

975
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 1: lock in of this movie is finding out that those

976
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 1: two characters share a common goal, even though the scene

977
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 1: is called going to kill her, and they do have

978
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 1: this like like, you know, why are they keeping you alive?

979
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 1: Like I don't know the newest thing. So I think

980
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 1: that they are both women who are supposed to feel

981
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 1: ashamed of their bodies by the patriarchal system in which

982
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 1: they exist, and Ripley refuses to and embraces what is

983
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 1: different about her clone body, and the same happens with

984
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 1: call Um. I think it's kind of cool that like

985
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 1: there's the there, like it's an auton in a in

986
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 1: a clone, and yet they're like, no, I'm gonna I'm

987
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 1: gonna be powerful and like try to find happiness on

988
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 1: my own and Call is so ashamed of her body

989
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 1: and learns not to be because it saves the day

990
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 1: and then says, father's gone asshole and then it's great, right,

991
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 1: and and like their common journey of being told what

992
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 1: they're good for and what they're supposed to be doing

993
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 1: and realizing that there are other ways to be and

994
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 1: to like whatever. Like I was like, oh my god,

995
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 1: I need to text with therapist. Shame deep programming, let's say,

996
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 1: like d programming your own shame de programming your you know,

997
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 1: just the idea that your quote unquote creator or your

998
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 1: overlord or whoever it is. For them, it's like their

999
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 1: literal creator. Um, what they ascribe as the meaning of

1000
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 1: your life isn't what Like they don't get to decide that.

1001
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 1: So in that way, wow, movie good. And I like

1002
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 1: that they have conflict again because it seems like you

1003
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 1: get them together in a scene and they realize they

1004
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 1: have the same enemy and like here it is. It's

1005
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 1: going to be Sigourney and Monona being buddies against the aliens,

1006
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 1: and then the next time we see them again, they're

1007
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 1: fighting and they have completely different points of views of

1008
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 1: how they should be doing things and who should be

1009
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 1: in charge, and I like that there's that conflict. I also,

1010
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 1: I love I love when it seems like Sigourney is

1011
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 1: going to flame throw Dr Wren and then she ends

1012
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:31,440
Speaker 1: up like it's like giving the gun away and say,

1013
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 1: don't do what and then Bona just gives perfect punch

1014
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 1: to the face the Doctor Wren, which just like such

1015
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 1: a great moment, which you guys talked about the like

1016
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 1: men punching women and women punching men thing that happens

1017
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 1: in action sci fi genre and I think You're Aliens episode, yes,

1018
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 1: and there is like you know, and there's some there's

1019
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 1: some superhuman element to this. But Sigourney does get barbelled

1020
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 1: and the nose prettier, oh my gosh, yeah, and she

1021
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 1: fights right back and like she I mean, yeah, there

1022
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 1: there's there seems to be very little anxiety that this

1023
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 1: movie has about who's fighting who. It's like whoever in

1024
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:16,560
Speaker 1: the scene it needs to be fighting, even if it's

1025
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 1: mid basketball game. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I didn't feel

1026
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 1: I mean, even though there's violence inflicted upon women, it

1027
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 1: didn't feel specifically gendered or as though like women were

1028
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 1: being targeted because they were women. It just felt like

1029
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 1: these are characters in an action movie, equal opportunity inflicting

1030
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 1: violence and violence being inflicted upon you regardless of gender,

1031
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 1: which I suppose is parody. Yeah, right, like and and

1032
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 1: I didn't. I was I was kind of waiting. I

1033
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, let's see when uh, women is going

1034
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 1: to be tossed to the side in the middle of

1035
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 1: an action scene to be like, we gotta keep ships,

1036
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 1: like whatever. Mary Jane at the climax of Spider Man two,

1037
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 1: they're like, we had to trap her and very sticky web.

1038
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 1: But because what if she tried to punch someone, um

1039
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 1: someone you mean Doc? I yes, I do. What if

1040
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 1: she what if Mary Jane was like, I'm going with

1041
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 1: Doc dog that would have been smarter. I'll allow it.

1042
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 1: My head, Kennon, this is a this is a tangent,

1043
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 1: and you can cut it out. But because listening to

1044
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 1: your Aliens episode earlier today, it was brought up to

1045
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 1: both of you. But I can't like the conversation happened

1046
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 1: to Caitlin Darante, who has a master's degree in screenwriting

1047
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 1: from Boston University, about the fight sequence in john Wick

1048
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 1: two against Ruby Rose, and it's I guess it's important

1049
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 1: to discuss john Wick fights women. But more importantly to

1050
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 1: tell Caitlin Darante, who has a master's degree in screenwriting

1051
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 1: from Boston University, is that that fight happens at the

1052
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:57,920
Speaker 1: moment in Act two where John Wick should like reflect

1053
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 1: upon himself and then grow and change and real. I said,

1054
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:02,440
Speaker 1: he needs his need instead of his wont because it's

1055
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 1: a John Wick movie that's never going to happen. So

1056
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 1: instead of that, he has a fight sequence with Ruby

1057
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 1: Rose and an art installation of mirrors called the Reflection

1058
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:14,400
Speaker 1: of the Self. Oh my god, I feel like that

1059
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 1: was Keia news idea. That sounds like a k He

1060
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 1: was like, what if he called it reflections of the self,

1061
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 1: like unspoken screenwriting joke. That is very funny. And thank

1062
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 1: you for bringing up my master's degree in screenwriting, because

1063
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 1: you know I would never like it hasn't been coming

1064
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 1: up in flavor. It hasn't been coming up because I

1065
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 1: would never bring it up, so you would, you never would.

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01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 1: I appreciate you doing it, Gracie, thank you. Unspoken screenwriting

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Speaker 1: jokes very good. I appreciate that. Yeah, Um, can we

1068
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 1: talk about the Rice character Dom Price, like we we've

1069
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 1: had this discussion many times on the show at this point,

1070
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 1: but Dom Ryce is a wheelchair bound character who is

1071
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:02,040
Speaker 1: played by all accounts that I was able to find

1072
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 1: a not a disabled actor, which again is like such

1073
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 1: a nineties I mean, a very casting decision that is

1074
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 1: just like, it's so unnecessary. I feel like we're repeat

1075
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 1: it's always worth repeating that there are so many talented

1076
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 1: disabled actors that would have fucking nailed that part. Yes,

1077
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:27,680
Speaker 1: so I wanted to call that out and also and

1078
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:30,880
Speaker 1: also just discussed that character a little bit, yes, because

1079
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 1: the way that he is treated, especially by Ron Perlman's

1080
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 1: character John Or, is astonishingly horrible. Where I feel like

1081
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 1: this is a pretty common thing for if there is

1082
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:51,000
Speaker 1: an inclusion of a marginalized character in some way, and

1083
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 1: here specifically a character with physical disability, where there is

1084
01:08:57,400 --> 01:09:02,719
Speaker 1: an inclusion invisibility, but it comes at the cost of

1085
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:11,040
Speaker 1: that character being horribly abused, bullied aggressively. That seems to

1086
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:13,680
Speaker 1: be the whole function of the Ron Perlman character in

1087
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 1: this movie in a way that doesn't really work for me,

1088
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 1: And I think that is like kind of a Josh

1089
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 1: Weeden and like nineties two thousand writer. Thing that is

1090
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 1: done is the idea of the run probing character is

1091
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 1: he we know of how because of how he's written

1092
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:33,240
Speaker 1: and presented that he's wrong, but I feel like you're

1093
01:09:33,280 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 1: still encouraged to laugh along with him. So what is

1094
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:39,000
Speaker 1: the point of telegraphing to the audience this guy is

1095
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:41,640
Speaker 1: an asshole? But also the way he's delivering them, like

1096
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:44,560
Speaker 1: their comedy lines there, I think that they're supposed to

1097
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:49,240
Speaker 1: be perceived as comedy lines. And so when he's teasing

1098
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 1: and abusing the only disabled character or you know, just

1099
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 1: firing off every sexist missive he could possibly think of,

1100
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:01,680
Speaker 1: then it's like, well, what it feels like having it

1101
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:04,439
Speaker 1: both ways in a way that doesn't work, especially because

1102
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 1: he's one of the few characters that survives through the

1103
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:10,200
Speaker 1: entire movie. He died. It would be one thing if

1104
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:13,760
Speaker 1: he was an asshole to everyone and then we understood

1105
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 1: that and his lines weren't played for comic relief, and

1106
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:20,080
Speaker 1: then he was killed, like punished by being killed. But

1107
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 1: that doesn't happen In fact, at the end, when Ripley

1108
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:26,719
Speaker 1: and Call have killed the final baby alien by sucking

1109
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:28,720
Speaker 1: it out of a hole in the window, even though

1110
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:31,559
Speaker 1: the two of them seem completely fine and do don't

1111
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:34,280
Speaker 1: get their guts sucked out of the window. Well, I

1112
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:36,680
Speaker 1: think they bother. They're supposed to have a little bit

1113
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:40,280
Speaker 1: of superhuman going on. Oh that makes sense. Yeah, I

1114
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:44,080
Speaker 1: think because you know, Cal's a robot and because Ripley's

1115
01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 1: part alien, they're able to hold on and be okay,

1116
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:50,679
Speaker 1: and they're pretty close to that mystery. I think that. Yeah.

1117
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:53,760
Speaker 1: I think that's the reason that it's like if the

1118
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:56,120
Speaker 1: one what is the military guys left over to Stephano,

1119
01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 1: if he was still there and hadn't been killed, I

1120
01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 1: think he would have not been so okay with that. Yeah. Good,

1121
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:04,639
Speaker 1: I guess I'll suspend my disbelief for that. They're also

1122
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:09,280
Speaker 1: they buckle themselves into the wall, so I guess they're

1123
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 1: fine anyway. So when Ripley returns from that big climactic

1124
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 1: defeat of the alien, Ron Promin's character throws off a

1125
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 1: little quip where he's just like or he's just like, hey, Ripley,

1126
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:26,479
Speaker 1: and then she's like, you remembered my name or something,

1127
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:28,799
Speaker 1: and then there's like kind of like a comedic growth,

1128
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 1: like yeah, like a nice moment between them, I guess

1129
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 1: is what that's meant to be. And it's like, no,

1130
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:38,480
Speaker 1: you don't get to redeem yourself after you've verbally assaulted

1131
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:43,519
Speaker 1: like every person in the cast of the movie. Even this,

1132
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 1: Like I mean it is obviously a terrible bully and

1133
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:49,559
Speaker 1: a terrible bigot, but even just the tiniest bits of

1134
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 1: his actions are just unforgivable. Like he gets mad at

1135
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:56,640
Speaker 1: cow for wasting his homemade liquor and then throws Christie's,

1136
01:11:56,640 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 1: Like he gets upset at Ripley for wasting Ammo and

1137
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 1: then shoots a spider a spider. Why that is the

1138
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:06,800
Speaker 1: funniest part of the movie. You're just the worst guy.

1139
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:10,880
Speaker 1: That is comedy gold and I'm obsessed with it. Okay,

1140
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:15,280
Speaker 1: that's a great moment. But he's a hypocrite. Yeah, he's awful.

1141
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:18,760
Speaker 1: I will say. For getting back to Dom's character a

1142
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 1: little bit, I would also be very curious to hear

1143
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:24,439
Speaker 1: what our disabled listeners who have seen this movie made

1144
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:28,280
Speaker 1: of how he was characterized throughout the movie. One thing

1145
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 1: that I was I encouraged isn't the word not horrified by,

1146
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:39,839
Speaker 1: I guess is that that Dom remains extremely active throughout

1147
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:43,680
Speaker 1: all of the action scenes, where I feel like there

1148
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:48,680
Speaker 1: is such a tendency to Sideline and Kirsten Dunston, the

1149
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:54,760
Speaker 1: Spider Web characters who are disabled in action sequences specifically,

1150
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 1: but in a lot of genres um He is like

1151
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 1: those action sequences, particularly like once they're on the ladder

1152
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 1: and all this stuff, Like those scenes don't work if

1153
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:07,600
Speaker 1: his character is removed from the scene. And so I

1154
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 1: did like that Dom is in the in the way

1155
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 1: that there's parody across genders in action. It seems like

1156
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:20,160
Speaker 1: there was a fair amount of parody with ability as

1157
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 1: well in the action scenes, which was cool. Yeah, I

1158
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:25,280
Speaker 1: felt that too, And I think it's notable that he

1159
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:28,840
Speaker 1: also survives until the end and that he doesn't go

1160
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:31,679
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of movies would have killed

1161
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 1: off a disabled character specifically because of their like they

1162
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:39,599
Speaker 1: wouldn't have survived because of their disability, And I think

1163
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:43,240
Speaker 1: that it's actually pretty remarkable that the filmmakers let that

1164
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:47,439
Speaker 1: character survive until the end. It's true, you can't say

1165
01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:50,920
Speaker 1: the same for how non white characters in this movie

1166
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 1: are treated. That is true. I mean I think that Christie, who,

1167
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 1: by the way, is played It took me so long

1168
01:13:57,200 --> 01:14:00,080
Speaker 1: into the movie. I'm like, I know this guy. I

1169
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 1: kept thinking of that the actor Gary Dordan is his name,

1170
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:05,640
Speaker 1: and I was like looking at him, I was like

1171
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:08,800
Speaker 1: thinking of my aunt's house. I'm like, what is the

1172
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 1: connection between this man and my aunt's house. He was

1173
01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 1: on c s I for like ten years and my

1174
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:16,559
Speaker 1: aunt used to love that show. So I was like, Oh,

1175
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:19,799
Speaker 1: it's c s I guy, So whatever, that's a useless

1176
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:22,840
Speaker 1: fact that you can know. But I would argue that

1177
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:27,320
Speaker 1: he's He's Christie is the only black character who has

1178
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:31,080
Speaker 1: a lot of influence on what goes on in the plot.

1179
01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:34,439
Speaker 1: There are other people of color, just it's just Christie

1180
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:37,640
Speaker 1: and the soldier who gets frozen who are black. And

1181
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:41,840
Speaker 1: then there's the two Latin X military men, including the

1182
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 1: general and then the one who makes it a long

1183
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:46,559
Speaker 1: time right. But it's like even even the guy who

1184
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 1: lives a long time, I don't I don't know what

1185
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 1: his name was, or like what anything about him. In

1186
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:54,800
Speaker 1: the same way that like with the other lady, we

1187
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:57,600
Speaker 1: don't know anything about her. She she makes it about halfway,

1188
01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:00,760
Speaker 1: but like who was that no idea. I didn't know

1189
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:05,599
Speaker 1: until listening to y'all's episodes that this franchise never has

1190
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:10,480
Speaker 1: a woman of color character or guest character. But Vasquez

1191
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:13,839
Speaker 1: is played by a white woman. What Vasquez is played

1192
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:17,520
Speaker 1: by a white woman in brown face in the movie Aliens?

1193
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 1: It is? It is true, Like, I feel like there

1194
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:25,679
Speaker 1: are not many popular movies with stuff that ages quite

1195
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 1: as poorly as brown face character and one of the

1196
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:31,760
Speaker 1: best regarded sci fi movies of all time. It's so infuriating.

1197
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 1: And also, I mean this franchise for as much as

1198
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:38,800
Speaker 1: I am like genuinely being swung to the side of like,

1199
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 1: this movie is pretty good, um, because Cracy is a

1200
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 1: worker of miracles. All I'm saying it's better than thirty nine,

1201
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:54,599
Speaker 1: better than I'll give it a forty one. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1202
01:15:56,040 --> 01:16:00,040
Speaker 1: But but this, I mean throughout it's for a for

1203
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:05,240
Speaker 1: a franchise that is really fixated on reproduction anxiety, which

1204
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:07,960
Speaker 1: I do think is a topic that isn't off the

1205
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:12,080
Speaker 1: table for you know, men to explore. I think that

1206
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 1: that's like, it's a it's a worthy it's a topic

1207
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 1: that affects anyone who's ever been born. So sure people

1208
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 1: are you know, entitled to explore that topic, but the

1209
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:24,760
Speaker 1: fact that it's like if you go through the production,

1210
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:27,240
Speaker 1: like the top level production of every single one of

1211
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:31,800
Speaker 1: these movies, it's it's just guys. It's just white guys,

1212
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:35,400
Speaker 1: Like it's man yeah, and it's like, we just let's

1213
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 1: get some other voices in the room here, maybe with uh,

1214
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:41,679
Speaker 1: with you know, people who have been on both sides

1215
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:45,720
Speaker 1: of of this uh of this thing. I'm about to

1216
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 1: say a kind of gender normative thing. But um, I

1217
01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:51,559
Speaker 1: think that if there was anybody in charge who was

1218
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:54,360
Speaker 1: female bodied in this production, they would have shopped the

1219
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 1: close up of her manicure on a day where it

1220
01:16:57,400 --> 01:17:01,560
Speaker 1: wasn't so grown out like it her cocoon birth. I

1221
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:04,360
Speaker 1: was like, that's a two week old manicure, Like this

1222
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:05,880
Speaker 1: is the one time you were going to shoot a

1223
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 1: close up of it? Like I mean, maybe they were like, well,

1224
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 1: it'll be too unrealistic. If where did you get this

1225
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 1: manicure on a ship? We have to let it grow

1226
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 1: out so it looks I don't I believe that they

1227
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 1: just don't. They weren't looking and they're supposed to be

1228
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:24,639
Speaker 1: her nails, and like it doesn't look like nails. Because

1229
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:28,200
Speaker 1: it looks like a grown out acrylic manicure and it

1230
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:31,439
Speaker 1: really bluts me. But there that's like a very valid point.

1231
01:17:31,479 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 1: It's like I feel like that is like almost giving

1232
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:36,920
Speaker 1: the same like the ponytail moment in Birds of Prey

1233
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 1: where it's like if you know, you know um, and

1234
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 1: if you don't, people are gonna make fun of you

1235
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:48,040
Speaker 1: for not attempting to know. Yeah, I don't. Yeah this

1236
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:51,599
Speaker 1: this I forget what I was about to say something

1237
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:54,759
Speaker 1: about birth. I feel like we've talked a lot about birth.

1238
01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 1: Uh yeah. My notes for this movie were pretty sparse.

1239
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:02,280
Speaker 1: It was mostly um round problem and shoots a spider

1240
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 1: the end. I have a lot of I honestly like

1241
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 1: being able to understand this movie through your perspective crazy.

1242
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:14,559
Speaker 1: I feel like it's genuinely been very very helpful to

1243
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:17,720
Speaker 1: me to understand because it is like there is a

1244
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:21,439
Speaker 1: lot of interesting stuff going on here, and then I

1245
01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:23,559
Speaker 1: just feel like it doesn't quite go as far as

1246
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:27,080
Speaker 1: I would like it too in other areas. And also

1247
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:29,920
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, this movie is really erotic, you know,

1248
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:34,080
Speaker 1: in a in a way that like I don't hate it.

1249
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:36,920
Speaker 1: It's just like it's I like, that's not even a

1250
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:41,880
Speaker 1: criticism I have as much as an unavoidable observation. Well,

1251
01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:48,720
Speaker 1: it's erotic between Ripley and her alien offspring, so I

1252
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:50,479
Speaker 1: do have a problem with it in the sense that

1253
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:55,080
Speaker 1: it's incestuous. I get. I mean, I can see that.

1254
01:18:55,280 --> 01:19:00,760
Speaker 1: I it's so cuckoo that it didn't super bother me,

1255
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:04,840
Speaker 1: and like, I guess it is like the gendered way

1256
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:08,639
Speaker 1: that people interact with xeno morphs is like I feel

1257
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:11,280
Speaker 1: like that. That is more what stuck with me of

1258
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:16,120
Speaker 1: watching back old scenes from alien and aliens and men

1259
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:20,800
Speaker 1: being so freaked out by being inhabited by a parasite

1260
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 1: and then m child bearing people like inherently being like, no,

1261
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:29,439
Speaker 1: I must protect the parasite, as if this is just

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Speaker 1: like a universal response like I don't. Yeah, see what

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01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:37,880
Speaker 1: I love about it as a monster her babies a lot? Yeah, yeah,

1264
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:42,440
Speaker 1: I really I really like that it it equalizes birth anxiety.

1265
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:45,639
Speaker 1: And from a writer who thinks that men might have

1266
01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:49,080
Speaker 1: womb anxiety, this movie does not suggest that anybody has

1267
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:52,800
Speaker 1: womb anxiety. And I think that really, I don't know,

1268
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:56,679
Speaker 1: I really like that about this monster and I hate

1269
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:00,400
Speaker 1: like making the fear of it gender it at all,

1270
01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:04,880
Speaker 1: But I do think that the relationship between Ripley and

1271
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:09,639
Speaker 1: the alien baby is to me, it's supposed to be

1272
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:16,599
Speaker 1: more God destroying their own creation then mother rejecting child.

1273
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:21,559
Speaker 1: And I like that the prequels did not exist even

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01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:23,439
Speaker 1: as a as an idea. I don't think at this

1275
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:27,320
Speaker 1: at this moment, but then like that really does resonate,

1276
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:29,439
Speaker 1: and I think that gives this movie a good place

1277
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 1: in the franchise, is that these movies become less about

1278
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:36,720
Speaker 1: the anxiety of acts like birthing an alien and more

1279
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 1: about what have we created as humanity and do we

1280
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:42,120
Speaker 1: need to destroy it? And then there's of course this

1281
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:44,840
Speaker 1: other alien species that created us and intends to destroy it,

1282
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:49,320
Speaker 1: and that's where there's unit more goo comes from. Um.

1283
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:51,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, it feels it feels more to me like

1284
01:20:52,120 --> 01:20:54,640
Speaker 1: this movie is this This is maybe just an optimistic

1285
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:57,360
Speaker 1: reading of it, but it feels like this franchise is like, Ripley,

1286
01:20:57,400 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 1: you need to be a mom. Go be a mom.

1287
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:01,599
Speaker 1: You're a mom. M you're a woman, you have a wound,

1288
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna get raped, and you're going to be a mom.

1289
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:06,200
Speaker 1: And then this movie is like, no, Ripley's a fucking

1290
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:08,240
Speaker 1: god and she's going to reject her own creation and

1291
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:14,880
Speaker 1: saving to save gosh well, but I feel like, like

1292
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:18,240
Speaker 1: how much of it was originally sexual and how much

1293
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:21,280
Speaker 1: of that is just really Scott noticing the hr guy

1294
01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:23,280
Speaker 1: your designs, But then even like the way that they're

1295
01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:28,559
Speaker 1: creating those designs the actual pieces on set, Like whose

1296
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:31,320
Speaker 1: idea was it that the phace hugger is literally an oyster.

1297
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:37,519
Speaker 1: It's a it's the vaginast vagina monster I've seen in

1298
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 1: a while, and that's saying something because they get pretty vagina,

1299
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:45,160
Speaker 1: but it's also a penis monster. I have written on

1300
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:52,240
Speaker 1: my arm from you earlier, Jamie, don't wax my flaps

1301
01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:54,960
Speaker 1: flapped things. But it's I think that it's it's a

1302
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:58,160
Speaker 1: penis horror and it's a vulva horror, and it's the

1303
01:21:58,360 --> 01:22:02,559
Speaker 1: horror of birth for every body. Yeah, and then Alien

1304
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:04,879
Speaker 1: three is just like what if instead of the metaphor,

1305
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:09,919
Speaker 1: she was just always about to get raped all the time? Like, thanks, David,

1306
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:13,200
Speaker 1: interesting idea, And I want to I want to be

1307
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:16,200
Speaker 1: clear that, like we hear on the Bechtel cast and

1308
01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:19,400
Speaker 1: we've talked about this before, but motherhood is something we

1309
01:22:19,439 --> 01:22:23,800
Speaker 1: obviously fully support. Assuming a person who becomes a mother

1310
01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:26,960
Speaker 1: wants to be a mother. I don't want to sound

1311
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:31,000
Speaker 1: like we are condemning motherhood or childbirth in any way.

1312
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:36,240
Speaker 1: What we are critical of is the patriarchal expectation for

1313
01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:39,599
Speaker 1: anyone with a womb to give birth and to become

1314
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:42,760
Speaker 1: a mother and go through that process, and the expectation

1315
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:45,559
Speaker 1: that that's basically the sole purpose of a person with

1316
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:49,160
Speaker 1: a womb, regardless of whether or not that person wants

1317
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 1: to be a mother and be a parent, because historically

1318
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 1: that's been what society values and expects of people with wounds.

1319
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:03,720
Speaker 1: And so again, it's oppressive expectation that we take issue with.

1320
01:23:04,479 --> 01:23:08,880
Speaker 1: It's completely anti choice, and it's turkey, and it's get

1321
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:15,360
Speaker 1: your creepy laws away from which in this world still

1322
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:19,120
Speaker 1: hasn't been resolved by the twenty three hundreds, which is

1323
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:25,280
Speaker 1: like just wacky enough to believe and also still smoking.

1324
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:30,840
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, well, you know, big tobacco. It's wild.

1325
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:36,599
Speaker 1: Is there any other stuff? We That was all I

1326
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:39,400
Speaker 1: had for? Note? What is there? Are there anything we

1327
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:42,880
Speaker 1: hasn't we haven't hasn't, haven't touched on yet. I've covered

1328
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 1: everything I had. Yeah, I think we nailed it. I

1329
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:52,320
Speaker 1: think we blew alien Resurrection wide open. I also just

1330
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:55,439
Speaker 1: wanted to give the back tol cast a tip of

1331
01:23:55,479 --> 01:23:57,760
Speaker 1: the hat for how many movies we've covered that came

1332
01:23:57,800 --> 01:24:03,280
Speaker 1: out in the year as the production conflicts for this movie,

1333
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:07,760
Speaker 1: when Janet was trying to get space to film this

1334
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:10,040
Speaker 1: movie because they, I guess the other alien movies were

1335
01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:13,560
Speaker 1: shot in England. This was shot in Hollywood because Sigourney

1336
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:16,160
Speaker 1: was a co producer and she was just like, why

1337
01:24:16,240 --> 01:24:21,400
Speaker 1: the international commute, which I think is like really very

1338
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:24,479
Speaker 1: good use of power. But they were shooting at uh

1339
01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:29,799
Speaker 1: like a Hollywood lot, and they had difficulty securing studio

1340
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:34,559
Speaker 1: space because of Titanic, and because of Starship Troopers, and

1341
01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:37,880
Speaker 1: because of the Lost World Jurassic Park. So there were

1342
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 1: just so many huge movies filming in in Hollywood studios.

1343
01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:47,720
Speaker 1: In the best of them, of course, being Titanic, the

1344
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:52,920
Speaker 1: best movie ever made, ever made, ever made. It's a

1345
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:56,200
Speaker 1: it's a fact. Um does this movie pass the Bechtel test?

1346
01:24:56,439 --> 01:25:00,800
Speaker 1: It actually does quite a lot. It does. Between Ripley

1347
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 1: and Call primarily, but they talk about aliens. They talk

1348
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:07,320
Speaker 1: about how Call is a robot, they talk about how

1349
01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:10,760
Speaker 1: Ripley's part alien, They talk about Earth, they talk about

1350
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:15,360
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff, religion, religion, the nature of humanity

1351
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:18,840
Speaker 1: and if humans possess it, and Ripley says, I knew

1352
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:22,559
Speaker 1: you couldn't be a human You're too humane. No human,

1353
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:26,000
Speaker 1: no human being could be that humane, which is only

1354
01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:28,320
Speaker 1: the second most Josh windn't wed any line in this,

1355
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 1: I think, second to uh, I thought you were dead.

1356
01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:34,599
Speaker 1: I get that a lot. Feel a very good line.

1357
01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:38,200
Speaker 1: That's pretty funny. Um. I did have to laugh when

1358
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:41,920
Speaker 1: Ripley says something like, who do I have to funk

1359
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:45,320
Speaker 1: around here to get off this boat? And then Ron

1360
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:48,200
Speaker 1: Perlman is like, well, I can get you off, maybe

1361
01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:50,240
Speaker 1: not the boat, and I was like the ship. I mean,

1362
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:53,759
Speaker 1: he's an again, a despicable character, and that's a gross

1363
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:58,360
Speaker 1: line coming from him, but it's a pretty funny line. Otherwise, anyway,

1364
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:00,679
Speaker 1: does it pass the back to test when Ripley has

1365
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:04,880
Speaker 1: to murder the terrifying body horror clone of herself with

1366
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:08,360
Speaker 1: a flamethrower. I think it could. Yeah, I think so.

1367
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:11,360
Speaker 1: I think. You know, it's a tense interaction, but you know,

1368
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:15,960
Speaker 1: let women have tension. Yeah, she says kill me, and

1369
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:21,679
Speaker 1: then Ripley and the responses. The action is the response,

1370
01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:25,639
Speaker 1: but is definitely a conversation. It's a conversation. Yeah, it's true.

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01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:30,360
Speaker 1: So it passes handily. Um, as far as our nipple

1372
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:33,920
Speaker 1: scale goes a scale of zero to five nipples based

1373
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:36,320
Speaker 1: on how the movie fares. Looking at it through an

1374
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:48,800
Speaker 1: intersectional feminist lens, um, I mean power in. I'll split it.

1375
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:51,759
Speaker 1: I'll give it a right down the middle two point five.

1376
01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:58,280
Speaker 1: I do think there is some interesting commentary being made

1377
01:26:58,479 --> 01:27:03,600
Speaker 1: on kind of the just a session of male authority figures,

1378
01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:08,320
Speaker 1: and like the fact that it's military and medical, you know,

1379
01:27:08,360 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 1: because there there's a lot to criticize about the way

1380
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:16,640
Speaker 1: medical professionals, some of them harbor a lot of biases

1381
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:21,200
Speaker 1: and withhold medical care from a lot of marginalized groups

1382
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:24,400
Speaker 1: of people. So I think it's like interesting that it's

1383
01:27:24,439 --> 01:27:28,400
Speaker 1: these like military medical personnel and like all you know,

1384
01:27:28,439 --> 01:27:36,200
Speaker 1: these industrial complexes that are obsessed with basically using female

1385
01:27:36,240 --> 01:27:44,920
Speaker 1: bodies as vessels to perpetuate their own very destructive agenda.

1386
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:49,080
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think there's again these interesting parallels to

1387
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:53,240
Speaker 1: be drawn about what's happening currently in the world in

1388
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:57,800
Speaker 1: terms of groups of men being obsessed with controlling people

1389
01:27:57,800 --> 01:28:03,720
Speaker 1: with uteruses and denying people access to bodily autonomy. So

1390
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:06,919
Speaker 1: I think that's all an interesting thing that the movie explores.

1391
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:10,120
Speaker 1: I think that as far as how effectively it does

1392
01:28:10,200 --> 01:28:14,120
Speaker 1: that that might be a little up for debate, but

1393
01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:17,880
Speaker 1: I think it's I appreciate that the movie attempts something

1394
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:24,839
Speaker 1: like that. I don't like how weirdly horny Ripley gets

1395
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:31,080
Speaker 1: for her children, her alien children. I do appreciate that

1396
01:28:31,160 --> 01:28:34,240
Speaker 1: the main relationship that emerges in the movie that we

1397
01:28:34,280 --> 01:28:41,040
Speaker 1: are rooting for is between two fem presenting beings. Again,

1398
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:44,960
Speaker 1: they're not human women, but they are for all intents

1399
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:49,120
Speaker 1: and purposes, women, I suppose, and that that's the kind

1400
01:28:49,160 --> 01:28:54,519
Speaker 1: of most compelling relationship between characters in the entire movie. Um. Yeah,

1401
01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:58,200
Speaker 1: So there's some pros and cons of this very bizarre

1402
01:28:59,439 --> 01:29:04,439
Speaker 1: movie that's obsessed with birth imagery. I will give it

1403
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:09,479
Speaker 1: too point five nipples. Does that seem too high? No,

1404
01:29:11,160 --> 01:29:14,360
Speaker 1: I think I'll probably meet ei there, Okay, all right? Uh,

1405
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:19,840
Speaker 1: And I will give them to the spider that gets

1406
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:25,240
Speaker 1: shot to death by Ron Perlman. I'll meet you at

1407
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:28,040
Speaker 1: two point five. I. I think that there are a

1408
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:31,240
Speaker 1: lot of really admirable swings in this uh, in this movie,

1409
01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:35,200
Speaker 1: and honestly, this conversation has been so enlightening and helpful

1410
01:29:35,280 --> 01:29:40,639
Speaker 1: in clarifying some of those swings. Uh. And I also,

1411
01:29:40,720 --> 01:29:45,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I like your interpretation, Gracie, that of of

1412
01:29:45,400 --> 01:29:49,840
Speaker 1: Ripley as God versus Ripley as alien Grandma. Uh. And

1413
01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:53,840
Speaker 1: that resolves I think like a lot of the like

1414
01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:57,920
Speaker 1: cognitive dissonance I was experiencing. And I think that that's

1415
01:29:57,920 --> 01:30:02,000
Speaker 1: a more I wish that if that was the canonical intention.

1416
01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:04,400
Speaker 1: I wish that that was that almost they hit that

1417
01:30:04,479 --> 01:30:07,240
Speaker 1: a little harder because I feel like that's a really

1418
01:30:07,439 --> 01:30:11,160
Speaker 1: like cool journey to track in a way that is

1419
01:30:11,200 --> 01:30:15,280
Speaker 1: like clear and obvious. I'll piggy back on what you said, Caitlin,

1420
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:19,599
Speaker 1: and I like that the central relationship is Ripley and

1421
01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:22,400
Speaker 1: call I think that their connection makes a lot of sense.

1422
01:30:22,479 --> 01:30:26,920
Speaker 1: I like their mutual rejection of what they've been told

1423
01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:29,519
Speaker 1: about who they like, who they've been made to be,

1424
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:34,360
Speaker 1: versus choosing choose, like making a choice as an individual

1425
01:30:34,439 --> 01:30:36,840
Speaker 1: that's also in the interest of the collective at the

1426
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:39,920
Speaker 1: same time, like it that's such a difficult line to toe.

1427
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:42,000
Speaker 1: That is like the thing that I think this movie

1428
01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:45,639
Speaker 1: maybe does the most effectively. And then there's a bunch

1429
01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:49,080
Speaker 1: of stuff that's like hit and miss that we've spent

1430
01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:51,479
Speaker 1: the last two hours discussing, so I won't rehash. But

1431
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:55,120
Speaker 1: I think that two and a half feels good and admirable,

1432
01:30:55,360 --> 01:31:01,160
Speaker 1: uh and admirable swing. Definitely a movie that like, uh like,

1433
01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:05,679
Speaker 1: If not rewards, I'm rewatching. There's definitely ship you missed.

1434
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:07,880
Speaker 1: If it's been a long time since you've seen this movie,

1435
01:31:07,960 --> 01:31:10,320
Speaker 1: and I think it's aged in a really interesting way,

1436
01:31:10,920 --> 01:31:13,800
Speaker 1: and watch it with friends, don't watch it, don't watch

1437
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:16,760
Speaker 1: it alone. Have have a good night with friends. So

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01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:19,439
Speaker 1: I'll do two and a half. I'll will give one

1439
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:25,360
Speaker 1: to that lady that dies, I'll give one to the basketball,

1440
01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:32,080
Speaker 1: and I'll give the last point five to uh ripley um. I,

1441
01:31:32,360 --> 01:31:34,160
Speaker 1: on the other hand, think that this is a four

1442
01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:37,559
Speaker 1: nibble movie. I'll remind you that you both you both

1443
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:41,599
Speaker 1: give four nipples to aliens, both of you. Sounds like

1444
01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:48,120
Speaker 1: something I would have been a couple of years ago. Yeah, um,

1445
01:31:48,160 --> 01:31:51,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, I recognize that maybe a lot of what

1446
01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:54,120
Speaker 1: I love about this movie is perhaps headcanon and is

1447
01:31:54,160 --> 01:31:58,040
Speaker 1: not necessarily super active in the movie. But I do

1448
01:31:58,120 --> 01:32:00,200
Speaker 1: think that a lot like there's a lot of male

1449
01:32:00,240 --> 01:32:02,840
Speaker 1: gaze going on in this movie. The direction is very

1450
01:32:02,920 --> 01:32:05,640
Speaker 1: very male gaze, and I agree. I mean, it's like

1451
01:32:05,640 --> 01:32:08,320
Speaker 1: it's she's being really sexy with the alien. But I

1452
01:32:08,360 --> 01:32:10,320
Speaker 1: feel like what that moment is supposed to be, and

1453
01:32:10,360 --> 01:32:12,720
Speaker 1: it is really sexy and Sigourney Weavers keeping her eyes

1454
01:32:12,760 --> 01:32:15,000
Speaker 1: still and moving her head around just because she looks

1455
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:17,800
Speaker 1: like Sigourney Weaver and she's moving in a fluid way.

1456
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:21,800
Speaker 1: But um, it's supposed to be her choosing between her

1457
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:25,880
Speaker 1: animal side and her human side and choosing humanity. I

1458
01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:27,760
Speaker 1: don't think that's the script. I think it's just on

1459
01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:32,920
Speaker 1: set it became very sexy. Um, But I'm gonna I'm

1460
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:36,639
Speaker 1: gonna throw a nipple at at least subverting the born

1461
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:42,200
Speaker 1: Sexy Yesterday trope because toss it over your shoulder right

1462
01:32:42,240 --> 01:32:45,400
Speaker 1: into the basketball hoop because you know, and they're really

1463
01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:50,200
Speaker 1: surprised that that's a that's a side effect. Um, I'm

1464
01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:54,599
Speaker 1: gonna give, I mean a nipple to call um for

1465
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:57,560
Speaker 1: all of the reasons. It just um just I don't know.

1466
01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:00,640
Speaker 1: It's unown a writer and Sigourney Weaver being being badasses

1467
01:33:00,640 --> 01:33:02,519
Speaker 1: in a movie together like that does that does get?

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Speaker 1: That does a lot for me? Um, especially since part

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Speaker 1: of the reason Suggourney Weaver got cast in the first

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Speaker 1: place was from being very tall, and everyone who was

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Speaker 1: doing casting was like, see this, I can see I

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Speaker 1: can see as Ripley, Like that's Ripley walking in the

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Speaker 1: room and she like credits her quote Hooker boots about it.

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Speaker 1: So um as a short as a short person, I

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Speaker 1: like that. There's also window and a writer being a

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Speaker 1: badass UM five three. And I'm going to give a

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Speaker 1: nipple to the baby alien because I love the baby

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Speaker 1: alien so so much. And the lighting of the baby alien. Um,

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Speaker 1: they apparently had to uh c g I off the

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Speaker 1: umbilical cord when it was walking because it looked too

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Speaker 1: much like a penis, which is just like a fun

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Speaker 1: little I love that baby alien fact. Yeah, it was

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Speaker 1: like a c g I thing that had to happen.

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Speaker 1: It was the guy who c G I is that

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01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:53,559
Speaker 1: it's the weirdest um editing he had to do. Um

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Speaker 1: but which this like to me relates just a tiny bit,

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Speaker 1: even though John didn't have anything to do with production

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01:33:58,840 --> 01:34:01,719
Speaker 1: to Josh Weeden really wanting vision to have a penis

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Speaker 1: and having to be shown what that would look like,

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01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:06,720
Speaker 1: to be told that that is incorrect. Um, but that's

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Speaker 1: a sidetrack. And I'm going to give a nipple to

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01:34:09,640 --> 01:34:15,200
Speaker 1: the Josh Weedeney dialogue because uh, you know, thinking about

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Speaker 1: the human being aside. I love dialogue like that and

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01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:21,760
Speaker 1: it is my lead character, my my Ripley being told

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Speaker 1: I thought you were dead. I get that a lot.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, that's a nipple for me. That's a nipple

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Speaker 1: from me, dog nipples. Well, Gracie, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for coming back and for helping us. Yes, thank you

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Speaker 1: for appreciate this movie. Yeah, I'm happy that you watched it.

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Speaker 1: You can skip three. I mean Cube. The more I

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Speaker 1: learned about Alien Cube, the more I'm just like, I'm

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01:34:45,200 --> 01:34:48,360
Speaker 1: I don't think I'll ever see the need to see it.

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01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:54,559
Speaker 1: No where can people follow you online? Check out your stuff?

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Speaker 1: Plug away Um, I'm online on Instagram at Gracie Gillum

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Speaker 1: dr A C I E G I L L A

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Speaker 1: m um. And right now you can watch me in

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Speaker 1: Super Host on shutter app. It is coming up on

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Speaker 1: spooky season, so good time to get shutter app. And

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Speaker 1: it's a good movie to watch in your home and

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Speaker 1: contemplate the validity of safety in the domestic sphere. Ha

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Speaker 1: ha ha ha yeah my super host on shutter hell Yeah.

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Speaker 1: catalog of bonus episodes, which is over a hundred. Now

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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think we did it. We've crossed

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Speaker 1: into triple figures. Wow, there's so much content left to

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Speaker 1: slash the backtel Cast if you are so inclined. If

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Speaker 1: you have a baby alien to dress, I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 1: we have clothes for baby alien. Also, I meant it

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Speaker 1: is a very size inclusive site. So go there, have

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Speaker 1: a good time, and uh everyone, I think we just

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Speaker 1: got to Earth. I mean, I know it's kind of

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Speaker 1: a ship hole, but I'd rather stay with the things. Man.

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Speaker 1: Fun fact like, she's apparently they're they're gonna put the ship.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna send the ship to somewhere that's unpopulated and

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Speaker 1: according to xenopedia dot com, that places central Africa. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so that's interesting. Oh okay, well this movie is a mess.

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Speaker 1: Bye bye bye