WEBVTT - Impending Doomsday: How to Solve Marvel's Villain Problem 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:00.360 Worrying. 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:04.720 Today's episode contains some amount of spoilers. 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:08.000 For the MCU. Ab out of it at large, ever 0:00:08.039 --> 0:00:08.520 heard of it? 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:28.600 Hello, my name is Jestepso and I'm Rosy night, and 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:30.560 welcome back to x ra Vision, the podcast where we 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:33.000 dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics of pop culture, 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:35.800 comedy from my heart, where we're bringing you three episodes. 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:41.839 Weekless in today's episode, through thirty seven movies, seventeen TV series, 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:44.720 three television specials. While we used to dream of days 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:48.680 like this, we monkey paused ourselves. The MCU has introduced 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:52.960 a lot of villains, Unfortunately they have not all been memorable. 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:57.680 So in today's episode of Impending Doomsday, we will be 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:01.760 investigating the one hundred plus villains we probably won't see 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:05.440 in Doomsday, and we'll pick our six villains to stick 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:10.120 around who we would relaunch our MCU with. Then we'll 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:13.720 be keep recasting and killing the rest of the MCU 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:16.959 villains that you probably won't see, And as always, we'll 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:20.680 end with a little theorizing, little discussion, and a little 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:23.040 conversation about where the MCU can go next. 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:25.720 Yet it's ongoing villain problem. 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:31.080 So here we go. It's the villains. 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:33.520 We are, of course, still a few months away from 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:38.480 Avengers Doomsday releasing December eighteenth, the next big MCU event 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:42.400 that's not brand new day, but with so many major 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:45.000 players spread across movies and TV each month, we're going 0:01:45.040 --> 0:01:48.400 to be diving into characters to prepare you for that. 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:52.240 It's part of our impending Doomsday series, and of course 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:57.600 Doomsday we expected to close the book on, along with 0:01:57.680 --> 0:02:01.600 Secret Wars, to close the book on many of our 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:07.160 longtime favorites asterisk, as long as the movies after that 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:09.600 aren't in trouble and they don't need to break the 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:12.960 emergency glass once again. But we expect that to be 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:16.359 the case. And so today we're gonna be discussing the 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:20.079 villains of the MCU, and oh my god, super producer 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:24.720 Aaron has compiled a master list. 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:26.760 A list. 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:32.600 You have some one hundred plus villains, many of whom 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:35.160 I mean, I would I would argue the vast majority 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:36.919 of whom we are not going to see in dooms Eva. 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:39.920 But Aaron, do you want to just run through some 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:44.200 of your favorite villains and some notable. 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:46.160 I was going to say, who shadow you the most? 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:48.760 Yeah, we are not going to say my god, I 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:49.799 do not remember these. 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:52.200 Yeah, there are quite a few. So I went through 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:55.080 and pulled each villain that I could for every movie, 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:58.360 every TV show, every TV special, everyone from you know, 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:01.639 a big villain like Ultron to a not so big 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:04.640 villain like Manucci. So this is this is spanning the 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:08.079 entire mc u uh, and I broke them down into categories. 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:10.720 We've got a ton of tech and science villains. We 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:14.359 have shady government agencies, we have street level villains. We've 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:17.880 got organized crime. We've got villains who were driven by 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:20.720 some ideology. We have a couple of villains who've been 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:23.959 rehabilitated to some extent. You know your abominations, your your 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:26.760 bulls eye. I guess you could say we've got his 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:30.360 guardian villains for sure. We have Hydra, We've got the 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:33.600 cosmic villains, and we have a big chunk of mystical 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:37.720 magical villains who have ranged from Doctor Strange films to 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:41.960 Agatha all along. So there are a ton of options 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:42.680 here for us. 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:46.200 Aaron I go to say, I think even the deep 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:50.160 cuttist of our listeners and me and Jason ourselves, I 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:52.520 don't think any of us could have named all of 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:56.320 these if you had enough found them like the insane, 0:03:57.000 --> 0:04:00.960 incredibly deep, and this is to be really fun. 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:04.400 Now I'm gonna just give you a quick recap on 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:08.640 where we last saw each of these villains. Some of 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:13.080 them we probably will never see again, but you know what, 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:15.080 here we go. So within the tech and science, we 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:18.400 start off with Iron Manger last sight seen being electrocuted 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:22.480 to death by the arc reactor prototype. Then Aldret's Killian 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:24.680 and the Extremist soldiers. They took a rocket to the 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:28.880 face and Killian was disintegrated whiplash. He self destructed himself 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:33.640 justin Hammer is being secretly held in Seagate Penitentiary. Ultron 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:36.240 was vaporized by a vision but he is set to 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:38.240 return in Vision Quest, so we do know that he 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:42.800 should be back. Ulysses Claw he was betrayed by Killmonger, Yellowjacket, 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:47.040 was crushed into subatomic size, became Modoc, worked for Kang, 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:49.920 betrayed Kang, and then in his dying moments, he was like, 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:52.520 I'm an Avenger now I don't want to be the 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:54.320 one to tell him. But he didn't make it into 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:58.640 the Avengers, sorry Modoc culture. He was arrested after he 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:00.800 fought with Spider man on the beach. He had a 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:03.040 brief alliance with Morbius. That's never a good thing. He's 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:06.760 probably not coming back Shocker. He was webbed up by 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:08.840 Peter and found by a bunch of school children and 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:12.880 then arrested. Although we did just see Schocker's gauntlet being 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:15.880 used in the most recent Brand New Day teaser, so 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:18.560 he could have parts of his equipment coming back. 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:21.760 Interesting Tatari technology question. 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:25.240 M Tinkerer is actually still out there, tinkering. I don't 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:27.880 know where he went. He escaped and he's good Mysterio 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:32.080 killed by his own Drone, Green, Goblin, dot Cock, Sandman, Lizard, Electro. 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:34.560 They were all sent back to their respective raimy vers 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:38.520 or weberverse. Samuel Stearns was imprisoned on the Raft and 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:41.120 Red Ghosts and the super Apes. Where were they last seen? Never? 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:46.840 We never saw Red ghost I'm still upset about that. 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:48.440 Give me John Malcovich. 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:51.240 I also want to say that was just eighteen of 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:54.000 the Yellens guys, Aaron found one hundred and ten. 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:56.480 So we will we will not go through all of 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:57.200 that crazy. 0:05:57.360 --> 0:06:01.159 Yeah, as we go through this, Jason, why don't you 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:05.920 explain how we're gonna dig into these characters. 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:10.040 The incursions are coming, the timelines are gonna be destroyed 0:06:10.040 --> 0:06:13.920 and collapsed, and the MCU is gonna be rebooted in 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:15.240 some form or fashion. 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:19.279 So we have created six. 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:25.719 Protection slots, six slots for six Infinity stones, and these 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:29.599 are the characters that you are going to protect to 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:35.120 not be wiped out through cosmic incursions. And you're gonna 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:42.279 build your multi phase arc with these villains in mind 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:46.000 post incursion. And here are the slots. There is the 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:48.920 Big Bad, so this is like your Thanos level threat. 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:53.360 There is the Henchmen. So imagine you know how Loki 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:56.720 was kind of the big Bad for the first phases 0:06:56.800 --> 0:07:00.799 and then up to Avengers Marvels the Avengers, but really 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:04.000 he was the guy in front of the real guy 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:08.760 in his fanos. That's your henchmen, magic self explanatory, your 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:14.320 magic villain, street level, your kingpins, your hands, your et cetera, 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:19.080 your your muses variant. This is like your flex pick. 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:23.120 You can you can select any MCU character and then 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:31.200 invent imagine a variant villain from that character, and then 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:36.800 cosmic space obviously, your your celestials, your eternal in the 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:40.480 Accuser Roan and the Accuser et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:45.320 After we do our picks, we will then pitch our 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:47.280 arc to the audience. 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:52.080 Ah, I love, I love to theorize a little mc 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:54.800 I also think this is a great angle to do 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:57.600 it through Jason because one of the conversations will have 0:07:57.680 --> 0:08:00.600 later is like, villains have often been a problem for 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:05.000 the MCU, especially post fanl They feel disposable, Right, how 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:07.320 do you bring one back? So I kind of love 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:09.600 that we're going to be answering the question that we 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:10.840 will later be asking. 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:11.840 But yeah, this is going to be. 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:14.840 Crazy because to pick only six out of that one 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:18.320 hundred and ten list, there's so many crazy ways you 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:19.920 can go with it. And if you look to the 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:21.760 comics like who you bring in, you're going to be 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:23.120 able to talk about the heroes. 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:25.720 That's a really, really fun one. 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:30.280 Okay, I believe Jason won our last auction draft, So Rosie, 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:31.800 why don't you go first? 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:35.760 Well, thank you. I would just like to say I 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:38.199 was the one who won the last auction draft. 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:38.920 For you first one. 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:45.520 I ever wont so fuck your Okay, no, no, So let 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:46.520 Jason go first. 0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:48.679 All right, First up, we're going to go through our 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:52.160 cosmic and space level villains. Now, this is a big list. 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:55.520 We have everyone from the Chatari to run in the Accuser, 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:57.680 and then on the other end of it we've got 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:01.760 Galactus and bah Uh. But then in the middle we 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:06.080 still have you know, Taser Face and so like, there 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:09.040 are a large number of villains here. We don't want 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:12.720 to forget Gravic too from Secret Invasion, who was killed 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:16.199 by Gia. But you know, Jason, you're gonna pick first 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:19.760 who is your cosmic villain that you want to keep around. 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:27.560 My cosmic villain is going to be Ultron, cowering to 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:31.760 I am going to adapt tech the yes, it's a no, 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:32.800 but we don't have tech. 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:35.160 We don't know it's Oh good point, good point. 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:40.040 Oh sorry, I see. Sorry, what's going to be my 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:40.520 first pick? 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:49.240 And so I am adapting the Annihilation Conquest comic arc, 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:54.680 which Annihilists unleashes like waves of insect like drones to 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:58.680 you know, wipe out galaxy after a galaxy. But instead 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:00.400 it's going to be Ultron. So this is coming on 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:03.280 the heels of Vision Quest. Ultron is seemingly destroyed, but 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:06.520 in fact he has sent his brain waves out in 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:09.400 his space where he has rebuilt himself in a new 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:15.680 and disturbing new form, and you're gonna see how this 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:20.120 first piece, although it won't theoretically be the first piece 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:24.560 in my phases, plays into a larger theme that I'm 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:30.080 working towards. So Ultron is my space cosmic tech threat. 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:33.920 Love that, and we saw we saw Ultron be a 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:37.600 cosmic level threat in the first season of What If 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:38.040 I Think. 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:42.480 Yes, absolutely yeah, where he become yeah, I mean infinity 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:46.160 kind of. Ultron became such a legendary part of the 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:49.240 canon after that. And also, like I was honestly gonna 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:50.920 he was up there for me as one of my 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:53.480 big bats, because I just do think in the comics 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:55.840 says so much you can draw from. So that's painful, 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:59.920 but that means I'm gonna have to go big. So 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:04.560 just to make sure that I have a player who 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:08.840 is equitable to that, both storyline wise and power wise, 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:14.000 I will be keeping Galactus, the Eater of Planets. He's 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:17.520 one of the most iconic characters created by Jack Kirby 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:21.240 and stan Lee, so many incredible connections, also a lot 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:23.640 of fun to be had depending on how you want 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:26.800 to pose him. Is he truly the big bad in 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:29.040 this world or is he gonna get beaten by squirrel Girl. 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:31.160 I think there's a lot of fun you can have there, 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:34.280 so yeah, I will be keeping the big Purple Boy. 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:36.880 I don't think he's been done justice on screen yet, 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:40.720 so let's do it. Let's make him my cosmic guy. 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:43.319 It will be interesting when we get to the next 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:46.040 section and we do keep recast kill. I personally think 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:49.360 Ralph Innison was incredible as Galactus, but we'll see. We'll 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:51.640 see how we feel, all right. Next up, we have 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:54.920 the variant Now, Jason, do you want to explain variance 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:55.800 here for us? 0:11:55.840 --> 0:12:00.600 So variance is you know we've seen most notable through 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:05.800 the Deadpool films. Variant versions of characters exist, and there 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:09.040 are infinite numbers of them, so this is kind of 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:11.839 like again, this is like the flex pic. You can 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:18.120 select any character and imagine a variant evil version of 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:23.640 them and introduce them into our world. For this, I'm 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:27.400 gonna select now this is this is tangled because I 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:29.319 don't know if this character will show up, and I 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:32.360 and I actually think it he might. But I'm gonna 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:35.000 select the maker aka Evil read Richards. 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:37.600 From the future, fucking sick choice. 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:42.880 Ultimate from you know, Ultimate Invasion, the Ultimate Universe read Richards. 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:46.960 He wears that funky kind of one piece helmet and 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:50.480 he's just a very very evil, very very brilliant man. 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:54.800 And that is my variant level threat. 0:12:55.080 --> 0:13:02.000 WHOA, that is an incredible choice. I love that entire arc. 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:04.360 It is a really fun one. 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:08.240 I'm trying to think about a kind of like Robert 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:12.360 Downey junior level recontextualization because I feel like, you know, 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:16.120 that is such a crazy recasting to have him be 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:17.840 both Iron Man and Doom. 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:21.240 So who am I thinking of from. 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:25.400 The MCU that I am gonna make into a villain. 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:27.920 I think one of the best things about the MCU is. 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:36.679 That is already so much kind of duality in characters 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:39.200 and in good versions and bad versions, and people like 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:41.240 Scarlet Witch. Is she a villain? Is she not a villain? 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:43.880 So I'm going to take a character who is actually 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:47.120 generally very chirpy and fun who I don't think we're 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:48.760 going to get to see comeback, so I would love 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:49.920 to see her reimagined. 0:13:50.360 --> 0:13:54.280 I'm gonna go for Tatiana Maslani. 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:58.120 She Hulk, but as like a I love Paul Kavarian 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:05.080 like Maestro level, like crazy villainous. She can control her anger, 0:14:05.200 --> 0:14:09.120 she can control her villainy, and she is like I'm 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:15.160 thinking about, who could arguably, you know, be a read 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:21.200 Richard's level intelligence and strength. And obviously she's not fully 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:23.320 up there, but we do know she's really clever. She's 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:25.480 a lawyer, she's got that legal mindset. I think a 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:30.120 machiavellian evil Red she Hulk could be pretty badass. So 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:34.000 I think that's that's who I'm reimagining there as my variant. 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:37.160 And keep her as I would keep. 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:42.120 She's fantastic, she can do like, she can do it 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:46.440 and also as well, like let's see some fucking body 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:49.400 horror ship. Let's see some like Gray Hulk, you know, 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:54.480 immortal Hulk ass like scary fucking hulk horror ship. Like, 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:56.320 I think she could do it, great Paul with the 0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:59.200 awful Black Aaron. I mean, she's shown her range. 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:01.120 All right. Next up is street level, and this I 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:04.880 think can contain organized crime as well. This contains everyone 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:07.640 from Batrock who was shot and killed by the power Broker. 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:11.160 Finally we got leap Frog, speaking of she Hulk, who 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:13.400 ripped it and ripped it right out the window into 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:15.480 the street where he broke his legs and is now 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:19.560 in jail. We have someone who's below street level with Moleman. 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:23.200 We've got organized crime. We have a Sunny Birch if 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:25.040 you remember from ant Man in the Wasp who was 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:28.600 arrested and as he was arrested revealed his restaurant has 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:31.800 a bunch of health code violations. We got we got 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:34.960 wehn Wu, we got Shoe Sha Ling eleanor Bishop who 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:37.160 was fought for Parents of the Year as. 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:39.640 She mayro Mosque maybe question. 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:42.920 And everyone like Parker Robbins too the hood. 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:44.560 I loved Tim. 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:47.680 Yeah, So Jason, where are you going to go with 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:49.840 your street level villain. 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:52.880 I'm gonna go with the hell Fire Club. 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:57.760 And that's good. 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:01.040 But now the wrinkle being and I'm going to explain 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:05.000 this fully in my pitch, the Parker Robinson's the hand. 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:10.000 All these other groups are gonna be quite present in 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:16.280 on my kind of street level epics that connect to the. 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:17.280 To the larger plot. 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:19.800 But at the center of it all, we're going to 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:22.520 discover the hell Fire Club is back there making moves. 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:28.040 We love that, providing funding, doing various shady things that 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:28.960 I will describe later. 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:30.640 The hell Fire Club my street level. 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:32.440 We love the hell Fire Club. 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:35.560 Those good I like, I'm glad you're like leaning into 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:38.080 some x Men here. I was tempted to just only 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:40.920 pick X Men adjacent villains so I could just pitch 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:42.720 an X Men thing, but I was like, that's just 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:46.040 so predictable for us. I know immediately who I'm going 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:48.040 to go for here, because I do think it is, 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:53.400 in my opinion, one of the most interesting unanswered threads. 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:57.760 It's not Harry Styles as Thanos's brother that everyone knows. 0:16:57.800 --> 0:16:59.840 I loved that insane piece of fan casting. 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:04.920 No, I wanna I'm going for a Jujai Lingu, a 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:08.800 Shanchi's sister. She's a total badass. She's in charge of 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:10.919 the fucking ten rings. I want to see how that 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:15.359 shit goes down. I'm already envisioning my MCU phases essentially 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:18.600 as like different genres, because I think that's what they've 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:21.680 done so well. So my street level stuff is definitely 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:25.879 gonna be like seventies Kung Fu influence, a little bit 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:29.960 of Wooziah Daughters of the Dragon, like that's my that's 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:32.880 gonna be that genre for that phase, for that space, 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:34.840 And obviously, like with she Hulk, we're getting a little 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:36.480 bit of horror galact It's gonna be a little bit 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:39.520 of more of that cosmic kind of big action that 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:42.320 the MCU need. So yeah, but I just she was 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:46.800 so fantastic. I think about how fucking badass that if 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:50.320 you look at all of the post credit scenes and 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:53.359 you actually just played them in a row, that is 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:56.199 one of the ones that is just the coolest standalone. 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:58.840 Don't need to know shit about the character, don't need 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:02.040 to know who Globshito is or whoever the person is, 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:05.320 Like you just fucking you watch it and you're like, wait, 0:18:05.840 --> 0:18:08.720 she's like a sexy lady on a throne who you 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:10.960 know is a badass martial arist and she has all 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:15.000 these hot like young criminals around her, Like this is cool, 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:15.439 you know. 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:17.320 So I think it stands as one of. 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:22.399 The best Star Wars universe, you know. 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:28.399 Okay, Next up is Mystical and Magic. So from the 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:31.119 Mystical Magic, we have a ton of Doctor Strange villains 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:35.520 Causilius Morto. Then we've got people like Agatha Harkness. Uh, 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:38.280 We've got from Shangxi, We've got the Dweller in Darkness, 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:44.840 We've got Sinister Strange, we've got Najestin's is marvel Ahma 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:49.040 and Arthur Harrow who last seen stuck in Arthur Harrow's body, 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:52.439 and then you know, Jake Lockley took him outside and 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:55.640 sent him to the farm of the side of the country. 0:18:56.440 --> 0:18:59.680 We got me Fisto. We've got real doll aka Death 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:03.439 still at large. So Jason, what do you where are 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:05.440 you looking for? Mysticorn magical villain? 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:09.040 I am this is my continuity pick. I want to 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:14.159 make sure that there are some threads that survived the incursion. 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:18.359 And it makes sense to me that magic and a 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:22.879 different multi dimensional threat, a threat that resides in a 0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:27.160 different place in the natural world, would maybe survive these incursions. 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:33.840 And so I am selecting kath On, the other guy 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:37.240 who wrote the Dark Hold as my magic. 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:40.240 Jason bringing people who are not even on the list. 0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:41.600 Can I please mention. 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:45.640 But that was he should have been there. 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:49.080 Hey, I'm not complaining. I like that there's more villains. 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:51.760 I just want to say that there's actually more than 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:53.040 one hundred and ten villains. 0:19:53.080 --> 0:19:56.200 Guys. I like that one. I like that one. 0:19:56.800 --> 0:19:59.560 All right, Rosie, what about you for your magic? 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:01.480 Well? This is it's great for me because I was 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:05.600 worried that mine and Jason's complimentary tendencies here would spite 0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:07.760 me in the BART, But no, I had a couple 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:09.760 here who were my big go tos. 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:10.560 But I think for me. 0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:16.359 Always, she's always been at the heart of what the 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:19.399 MCU does best. And I think as a continuity pick 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:21.800 as someone that I would choose to be and to 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:25.080 keep as like a face. I'm gonna go Scarlet Witch. 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:26.960 I think you could bring her back as a true villain. 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:29.199 I think you can also then have the potential for 0:20:29.280 --> 0:20:33.280 redemption arc. I also think it's kind of interesting to 0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:36.400 see a little bit of like, you know, Scarlet Witch, sheeholk. 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:39.840 Like it's very women heavy here, but in a genre 0:20:39.920 --> 0:20:43.439 focused way. It's not gonna be like, don't smile, Captain Marvel, 0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:46.160 like hashtag girl boss join the Air Force. It's gonna 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:48.600 be like, let's just see these women doing some weird shit, 0:20:48.720 --> 0:20:49.960 which I think we all enjoy. 0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:53.000 I love that pick. I really heavily considered. 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:55.720 Right, I knew you would of I knew you would have. 0:20:56.880 --> 0:21:00.400 I love both of these universes so far, not even 0:21:00.440 --> 0:21:03.720 at Henchman in Big Bad like right, That's the coolest. 0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:06.760 Thing is that's so much fun to be had in 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:09.080 the weird smallness of it all. 0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:12.280 And I was I was so sure one of you 0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:15.520 would pick my Fisto because of the kunst and sex men, 0:21:15.640 --> 0:21:18.680 because of how he could keep going. So he will 0:21:18.720 --> 0:21:19.960 be good, He'll be a. 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:34.680 Good Yeah, it will be yes, all right, henchman. Okay, 0:21:35.600 --> 0:21:40.440 this is an important role. This I'm eager to see 0:21:40.440 --> 0:21:43.159 if Rosie redefines it, which, of course, you know, you 0:21:44.119 --> 0:21:46.000 people can make the argument that they want to make 0:21:46.080 --> 0:21:48.960 for what this means to them. To me, this means 0:21:49.000 --> 0:21:51.520 the kind of sort of anti hero care do you 0:21:51.560 --> 0:21:55.560 forget how like crazy, ruthless and evil Loki was and 0:21:55.600 --> 0:21:56.480 now you love him. 0:21:56.400 --> 0:22:00.320 Right and not see Camp survived to like say he 0:22:00.359 --> 0:22:02.720 would have bow to him and lo, he was gonna 0:22:02.760 --> 0:22:03.640 kill him before. 0:22:03.400 --> 0:22:06.880 The Avengers showed up. Like he was not a good guy, always. 0:22:06.920 --> 0:22:07.840 Attack New York. 0:22:08.000 --> 0:22:13.840 Luckily a unrealistically low amount of people were killed in 0:22:13.920 --> 0:22:17.000 that vicious attack on New York City, but like he 0:22:17.119 --> 0:22:21.000 engineered that whole thing, you know, kill stabbed Colson in 0:22:21.000 --> 0:22:23.720 the back. He was he's a bad guy, but then 0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:28.280 you love him. And so with that in mind, my henchman, 0:22:28.760 --> 0:22:35.000 the guy in front of the guy Eric Lyncher Magneto. 0:22:36.800 --> 0:22:42.040 I sweat to fucking god, Jason then fucking X Men asked, bitch. 0:22:42.560 --> 0:22:44.720 He's gonna be the bad guy for phase one. 0:22:45.240 --> 0:22:46.880 Okay, I mean understandable. 0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:48.320 You know, he's pissed. 0:22:48.480 --> 0:22:51.639 He's like enough of this, he's had enough of the 0:22:51.720 --> 0:22:55.600 humans and they're messing around and their experiments and their exploitation, 0:22:55.960 --> 0:22:58.320 and he's gonna do something about it, and somebody our 0:22:58.359 --> 0:23:01.400