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Speaker 2: Oh wow, I walk out. I I question her. Listen,

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Speaker 2: I don't wanna play football. I'm a basketball player. I

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Speaker 3: So damn chit. Check it moving.

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Speaker 4: Never get stuck, stop pushing, start doing, start living, started moving.

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Speaker 1: Show me your animal Show me your animal instinct, Show

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Speaker 1: me your animal instinct. What's up, everybody? LeVar Arrington Hair

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Speaker 1: and welcome into another exciting addition of up on Game

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Speaker 1: presents conversations with the legend and it's interesting. Up on

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Speaker 1: Game came from an origin and one of the people

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Speaker 1: part of that origin is with me today. Played for

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Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Steelers. He was drafted number eight overall. We

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Speaker 1: Had an illustrious career there and won a Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: one of the well possibly most memorable Super Bowls in

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Speaker 1: He iced them, as they would say, he had to

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Speaker 1: ice them out, ice them, cool them down, catching touchdown

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Speaker 1: in the game. He finished out with the New York Jets, well,

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Speaker 1: actually finished out with the Pittsburgh Steelers, played for the Jets,

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Speaker 1: here we Go one of the original members of the

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Speaker 1: the media game. I almost felt like Plexico Birds, that's

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Speaker 1: who it is, Plexico Birds. Super Bowl Chat could have

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do the honors of this. I appreciate you

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Speaker 1: coming on to the show. We are in Norfolk, Virginia.

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Speaker 1: This is a beautiful thing. Myself Paysmatic has made it

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Speaker 1: possible for you to be here and for us to

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Speaker 1: do this wonderful show on site in your hometown of

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Speaker 1: your home area in Virginia Beach, Norfolk Tidewater area seven

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Speaker 1: cities seven five seven, First of all, what's it like

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Speaker 3: Home is home? Man?

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Speaker 2: You know you feel different, you know walking around here,

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Speaker 2: you know, uh, being born and raised here and you know,

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Speaker 2: that whole mindset of everything that I want every wanted

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Speaker 1: How cool is it We're looking at this logo and

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Speaker 1: outside of t J. Hushman's out of it myself, that

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Speaker 2: When you put on the phone and called me and

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Speaker 2: It's uh, you know what, Uh, When I was playing

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Speaker 1: the beginning. Yeah, Plexico birds, he's born. He's the longest child,

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Speaker 3: Man? Man?

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Speaker 3: And one time, one time, don't get cared.

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Speaker 1: Only played against y'all. One time State gouts. We whooped y'all.

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Speaker 4: No, no, you you played for Nick Saban?

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Speaker 1: Was he the Nick Saban that everybody speaks on like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but record record day, Oh man, has the record

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Speaker 2: Thirteen one hundred and eighty five yards and three touchdowns?

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Speaker 2: We went to Rose Bowl, but we haven't been able

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Speaker 3: Man. I had never been in Michigan in my life.

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Speaker 2: When I came home, my mom was like, I'm going

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Speaker 3: Man. For those three years that I was there, it

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Speaker 3: Man, she was just fierce, you know.

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Speaker 1: So you make it to the league, you're the number

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Speaker 2: Man, you she talking about a football town. I didn't

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Speaker 2: I'm playing with Demany Dolls. Yeah, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 3: Matched the team, and it's like straight straight uh fist

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Speaker 2: A physical it's a it's a tough town, tough defense,

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Speaker 2: Because I was in the offense to where I kind

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Speaker 2: And I I just felt like I do more. And

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Speaker 1: It was a hell of a decision.

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Speaker 2: And I'm saying to myself, I said, listen, I mean

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Speaker 3: He's like my brother, and he.

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Speaker 2: As tough as nails and I'm glad I went to

442
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Speaker 2: yok to play with him because you know, we changed

443
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Speaker 2: each other's lives at the same time. He was able

444
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Speaker 2: to win to swer ball together and uh man, we

445
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Speaker 2: j it. It just all went together. And you know,

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Speaker 2: obviously Eli was what in his second year, and what

447
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Speaker 2: I'm saying, Tom, I say, hey, man, if he's half

448
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Speaker 2: as good as his brother, then we wouna have a

449
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 2: pretty good team, pretty good offense. And we ended up

450
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Speaker 2: just you know, kept getting better. Eight each year, and

451
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Speaker 2: I wish I coulda won it in Pristburgh because when

452
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Speaker 2: I left in O five, they going to Super Bowl

453
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Speaker 2: to win it, right, right, And I'm saying to myself,

454
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Speaker 2: I say, this team was so good that I was

455
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Speaker 2: on that they won a Super Bowl, w if and

456
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Speaker 2: I was like third in the in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: And with such Super Bowls, you gotta think. And that's

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Speaker 3: five year period we went the three.

459
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Speaker 2: AFC championship games, right, and we were kids not really

460
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Speaker 2: even understanding what we were doing. It's probably seven hall

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Speaker 2: of famers on that football team. Wow, six or seven

462
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Speaker 2: hall of famers on that team, and you're just like, w.

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Speaker 3: W we you know you had you live in a dream.

464
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Speaker 2: You know you're playing you you tryna build a career,

465
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Speaker 2: a legacy. And if we coulda just all just stayed

466
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Speaker 2: the yeall, there's no telling what that team could have been.

467
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Speaker 2: But man, I when I when they went one, I say,

468
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Speaker 2: you know what, I gotta gonna get.

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Speaker 3: Me a check I get.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how we get it done, but find

471
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Speaker 2: a way to get it done.

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Speaker 1: Then old seven, Yeah, O seven, it comes.

473
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Speaker 3: Down the pipe and comes down the pipe?

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Speaker 1: Man, how did I how did that feel to get

475
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Speaker 1: that dub man a Man, I missed y'all bout one year.

476
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Speaker 1: I came with y'all know six Yu, and y'all wanted

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Speaker 1: it no.

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Speaker 3: Seven.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Man, it was man, I remember it, like I

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Speaker 2: I I, I don't. I don't think that the th that.

481
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Speaker 3: I don't think. I felt my feet hit the ground

482
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Speaker 3: while I'm doing that game.

483
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Speaker 2: Man, you hit that field and uh all that, all

484
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Speaker 2: them things you dream up as a as a as

485
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Speaker 2: a kid, It's.

486
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Speaker 3: Like right down in front of me. Hu and if

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Speaker 3: the skin of shit out, yeah, it really will.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: I can see how people get to that stage and

490
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Speaker 2: freeze up and go on the tank. I've I've seen

491
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Speaker 2: it happen and you just being there, man. And I

492
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Speaker 2: remember after the first series, we got me kick the

493
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Speaker 2: field goal. We go three zero on my first possession,

494
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Speaker 2: and I come to the sideline and I'm just like,

495
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Speaker 2: I'm breathing so hard and I'm saying to myself, I said,

496
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Speaker 2: oh my god, I say, I'm running as fast as

497
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Speaker 2: I can and I can not get over. Yeah, that's

498
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 2: how fast the game was. And I look up and

499
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 2: down the I look up and down to the bench.

500
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Speaker 2: Nobody's talking to nobody. Everybody face is like so locked

501
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Speaker 2: in to what's going on, and I'm like, man, this

502
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 2: is the most physical football game I've ever been a

503
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Speaker 2: part of. And it was, I mean, and every and

504
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Speaker 2: a and everything about that game.

505
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 3: Was just so sound. It was just I mean, I if.

506
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Speaker 2: I had to be at twelve yards, I was stepping

507
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Speaker 2: on twelve and a half. You know, if I s FoST,

508
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Speaker 2: if I was in a crack split from the from

509
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Speaker 2: the tackle and it was six, I was right over six.

510
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Speaker 3: There was no freelance.

511
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Speaker 2: You were doing exactly what you were told to do

512
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Speaker 2: to the te as the best as you possibly could.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Like you know, during the regular season, you'll cut.

514
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Speaker 2: A slap short, a step short, or you know, runn

515
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Speaker 2: a curl two yard short.

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Speaker 3: Or whatever the case may me. But not in that game.

517
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Speaker 3: It was it was it was a special feeling.

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Speaker 1: Lem'a ask you one more question. We gonna wrap this up. Yeah, okay,

519
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Speaker 1: in the end, you had your ups, you had your downs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't even need to touch on like some of

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Speaker 1: the s people, Oh why didn't you talk about this?

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Speaker 1: Why didn't you talk about that? Not necessary? At another

524
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Speaker 1: point in time, maybe we'll talk about it.

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Speaker 3: When we do the the the.

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Speaker 1: Up on game documentary. Yeah, of of Plexico verse. But

527
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Speaker 1: the question I always ask got the end of every

528
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Speaker 1: single interview is when it's all said and done and

529
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Speaker 1: everybody has to give there they they have to give

530
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Speaker 1: their feelings on who Plexico verbs meant to them? What

531
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Speaker 1: do you want? What would you like for your legacy

532
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Speaker 1: to be? How would you want to be remembered when

533
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Speaker 1: that time comes?

534
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Speaker 3: Oh man, sound to you know what I mean?

535
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Speaker 2: I competed. I fought my ass off to get there

536
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Speaker 2: and to have the success I had.

537
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Speaker 1: I fought for that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, one fighter. I fought for her.

539
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Speaker 1: So it was it was earned. It wasn't by ah.

540
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Speaker 3: Hell, it wasn't. It wasn't.

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Speaker 2: No, it wasn't nothing. Ain't nothing about that purchase. It

542
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Speaker 2: was to the core.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

544
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Speaker 2: I believed in it when nobody else did, when they

545
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Speaker 2: thought it was a joke.

546
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Speaker 3: I fought for that. Yeah, that's sure.

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Speaker 4: Stretch Armstrong is what I call him. Y'all might call

548
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Speaker 4: him Plexico Birds, some of us call him super Bowl

549
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Speaker 4: Chain for me, for Plexico, It's another exciting edition.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate y'all tuning in. Make sure you subscribe check

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