1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: From UFOs two, ghosts and government cover ups. History is 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: widdled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to now. I 4 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 1: have a short announcement which I will read at this time. 5 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: Senator Robert Francis Kennedy died at one am today June six. 6 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: With Senator Kennedy at the time of his death was 7 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: his wife Ethel, his sisters Mrs Patricia Lawford and Mrs 8 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: Stephen Smith, his brother in law Stephen Smith, and his 9 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 1: sister in law Mrs John F. Kenning. He was forty 10 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: two years old. Frank make A was kennedy Press secretary, 11 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: as reported by The New York Times June six, Thank 12 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: you for that reading, Noel. Yeah, that was fantastic. Absolutely, 13 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show everyone. My name is matt 14 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: On Ben And that dramatic reading you heard at the 15 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: top of a podcast comes from, of course, our super 16 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: producer Null, the second Gunman Brown. Most importantly, however, you're here. 17 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to stuff they don't want you to know. Yes, 18 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: welcome to you now. Forty seven years ago today, on 19 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 1: June five, Robert F. Kennedy was assassinated. And what what 20 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: you heard was Noel reading that announcement. Um, it was 21 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: a very somber day. And today we're gonna talk about 22 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: the this assassination. We're gonna look at the official stories. 23 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 1: We're gonna look at the alternative theories and also the 24 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: current theories about what really happened. Yes, some more recent stuff. 25 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: But as somebody said to Alice at the tea party, 26 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: let's start at the beginning. We'll go through the middle, 27 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: we'll stop at the end. That sounds great if this 28 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: story hasn't end. Did that also Wonderland reference work? You think? 29 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: I think so. I just I don't remember who said it, 30 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: the mad Hatter or the dormouse. That mormouse didn't do 31 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: that much. I know that because I played the dormouse 32 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: one time in a in a high school thing. Oh really, 33 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: yeah it was. It was a shining moment. Do you 34 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: have a video of that? Uh? No, absolutely not. Okay, 35 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: so no, Um, but we can always just stage our 36 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: own right. Absolutely, we're an Alice short I think. So. Uh, 37 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: let's go ahead and get some background here, just a 38 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: very high level thing. Now, this is an issue we 39 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: should disclaim first. This is an issue that you and 40 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: I have talked about uh. For for a while, we 41 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: had an earlier video that came out on this we did. 42 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: We had an earlier video specifically on Robert Kennedy's assassination 43 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: focused It focused on sire and sirehand and the idea 44 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,679 Speaker 1: of a Enturian candidate, which we will get too later, 45 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 1: But we really want to start at the beginning here 46 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: and talk about who RFK was, why why it was 47 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: an extremely important and sad day when he was shocked, 48 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: And of course yes, it is an important and tragic 49 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: time every in every instance where someone dies by gunfire 50 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: or by violence. Absolutely, I guess I should say, um, 51 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 1: I don't know it. He had the possibility to make 52 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: large changes and and he even made in several of 53 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: his speeches. He spoke about this idea that a lot 54 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: of people can make a difference in their local area 55 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: and in small events, but very few people will have 56 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: the ability to make changes on a wide, almost worldwide basis. Right, 57 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: And this is such a this is such an involved 58 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: and examined topic, this assassination, that we want everybody to 59 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: know from the top that we're not going to be 60 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: able to get to everything. So instead of asking at 61 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: the end, we would like to ask here at the beginning, 62 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: and probably a little bit later for you guys to 63 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: reach out to us at our email address, our Facebook 64 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: and our Twitter conspiracy stuff at the Facebook and Twitter 65 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: conspiracy how stuff works for the email and let us 66 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: know if there's some other theories you think we should 67 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: bring up, let us know if there are some corrections, 68 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: and uh, let us let us know. You know what 69 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: you think personally, even if you don't have any proof, 70 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: that's okay. We just want to hear other opinions, all right. 71 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: So here with that long preamble, And I learned a 72 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: fancy word for that, by the way. It's such a 73 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 1: useless word, are you ready? Pro lagominon pro logominon like 74 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 1: pro lego manonic. It means brief introductory remarks, so almost prologue, huh, 75 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: like the phenomenon of a prologue. Very nice, and I 76 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: may be mispronouncing it, sorry everybody. So here we are. 77 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: Robert Francis Kennedy, whom we will refer to as RFK 78 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 1: for most of this podcast, was born in November of 79 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 1: nineteen Now, he was the son of privilege. There's no 80 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: way around that. He was born into the Kennedy dynasty, 81 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: which had risen from you know, bootlegging. Uh, that's that's 82 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: one of the big allegations and stories. But at the 83 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 1: time he was born, the Kennedy family was already pretty 84 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: well established, and he took one of them. He took 85 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: a fairly standard but uh, spotless well done trajectory that 86 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 1: you see a lot of young people born into political 87 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: dynasties or families with political aims taking right, Yeah, that's right. 88 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: He served in the U. S. Naval Reserve from nineteen 89 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: forty four to nineteen forty six. He went to Harvard 90 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: and the University of Virginia School of Law. He also 91 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: worked at the Boston Post and as an attorney in Washington, 92 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: d c. Right, And in nineteen fifty one he began 93 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: working for the Internal Security section of the U. S. 94 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 1: Department of Justice is Criminal Division, and by June of 95 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,799 Speaker 1: the next year he resigned to manage his brother Jack 96 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: his payn for the Massachusetts Senate. Now, this was his 97 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: first and official launch into his political career, right, and 98 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: that campaign for the Senate seat in Massachusetts was successful. 99 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: There are there are a lot of Kennedy brothers here, 100 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: So we're going to refer to some of them as 101 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: first names. But there's one that you knew, of course 102 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,359 Speaker 1: we had mentioned ladies and gentlemen, and that is John F. Kennedy. 103 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: When Robert's brother, John F. Kennedy won the nineteen sixty 104 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: presidential election, he John I mean appointed his brother Robert 105 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: to the position of attorney general, despite the fact that 106 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: Robert didn't have experience in state or federal court. Yeah, 107 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: that's right. Kind of a little strange, but I guess 108 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: expected when you have those kind of ties at that level. Yeah. 109 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 1: But then also, regardless of where you like to place 110 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 1: yourself in political ideology, it's I personally don't think it's 111 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,799 Speaker 1: the best this for something purporting to be a republic 112 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: or meritocracy to uh, to to rely on nepotism, but 113 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: to be able to even do that, right, But this 114 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: is again, this is a story where we know very 115 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: little of the behind the scenes stuff. Sure, I just 116 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: wanted to make that absolutely and RFK didn't do a 117 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: bad job. That's what I wanted to get to. So, 118 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: even though there was some nepotism going on in his 119 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: appointment to this to this level, he made a name 120 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: for himself. He he went in there, he started fighting 121 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: organized crime, corruption, even institutionalized racism. Yeah, like prosecuting corrupt teamsters, 122 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: working with civil rights movements. You can find pictures of 123 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: him with Martin Luther King Jr. Yeah, he was basically 124 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: making a lot of enemies on all sorts of different fronts, right. Yes, 125 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: Also he was often seen in many social circles as 126 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: a hero of people who are typically marginal. Wise, there's 127 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: a twist here, of course, which you all see see coming. 128 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: In nineteen three, on November two, the standing President John F. 129 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: Kennedy was assassinated, and Robert Kennedy, like many other people 130 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: at the time, was certain that multiple folks were involved 131 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: in this murder, not just Lee Harvey Oswald. Oh. Yeah, 132 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: he was suspicious of the MOB, of the CIA, even 133 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:33,559 Speaker 1: of LBJ, at least there that he was. He was 134 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: rumored to be suspicious of LBJ. Right, And there was 135 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: suspicion of possible Soviet involvement, uh anti Castro Cuban factions, 136 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: any of the groups you and I just named working together. 137 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: And you know, of course, we know that kind of 138 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: speculation thrives after an important death. There are people who 139 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 1: will tell you that Elvis was still alive until quite recently, 140 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 1: and I know that's not a great compare Sin, but 141 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: but I'm saying these opinions that he had, or these 142 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: beliefs were not by any means unreasonable at the time. No, 143 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: And and there are a lot of people who are 144 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: close to him at the time that have said that 145 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: he was he felt personally responsible for the death of 146 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: his brother because of the enemies he was making as 147 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: the Attorney general. It's fascinating stuff and for me, it's 148 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: it's kind of sad to think about that mind state 149 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: of where he must have been when you find out 150 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: found out about his brother. Yeah. So in nineteen sixty five, 151 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: Robert Kennedy became a senator, New York Senator, and in 152 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty eight he launched the presidential campaign and it 153 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: seemed to be going pretty well. Um yeah, that's March sixteenth, 154 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty eight, and it was going very well. He 155 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: looked like he had a serious shot. You know. I 156 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: I talked to my parents about Robert Kennedy when we 157 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 1: first made our our video about him. And I think 158 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 1: I've mentioned this before or maybe in the Mentoring in 159 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: Canada pot podcast, but how enamored they were with him 160 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: at the time because of he was, like you said, 161 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: giving the voice to people that hadn't really had one 162 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,839 Speaker 1: in politics for a good long time, at least at 163 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: that level. And Uh, Man, I don't know. I'm I'm 164 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: not getting choked up. I was getting choked up earlier. 165 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: And I hate to admit that, but I was getting 166 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: choked up watching these videos of him online giving speeches 167 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 1: and it makes me wish. It kind of reminds me 168 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,439 Speaker 1: of um the president President Obama's campaign when he was 169 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: running where I was just the ideas that were coming 170 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: out of that man's mouth made me want to believe 171 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: in something better and I think that's what RFK was 172 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: doing for that generation at the time. Well. And also 173 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: given the death of his brother as a president, Uh, 174 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: there's a great sense of purpose or righteousness that I 175 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: think transmits very well. So he he had UM he 176 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: had a decent shot at the presidency and we'll see 177 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: how close he came. But that stopped in June five, 178 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: and it stopped abruptly because Robert Kennedy was also assassinated. 179 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: He was shot by a young man at the time 180 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 1: named sir Han. Sir Han. So our question here and 181 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: a question that people asked in the wake of the tragedy, 182 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: and almost fifty years later, are still asking is this 183 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: what happened? Well, here's the official story. Like we said, 184 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: things were looking pretty good for our f k's presidential campaign. 185 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: The Democratic primary elections in California were on June four. 186 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: The results were in rfk's favor, that's fort to his 187 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: opponent McCarthy's. And this was this was the running for 188 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: the Democratic candidate spot. Yes, yes, uh and and just 189 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 1: so we just I hate to throw some cold water 190 00:11:55,400 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: on there, but also let's keep in mind that uh 191 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: Kennedy was facing what was considered an unrealistic race against 192 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: President Lyndon Johnson. Yes, because Lyndon Johnson was popular as 193 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: being seemed like carrying the torch and absolutely a wake 194 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: of the JFK assassination. But still he in terms of 195 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: the democratic stuff, he was he was cooking with gas. 196 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: So about four hours after the polls closed, UM Robert 197 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: went and spoke to his reporters at the Embassy Room 198 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: ballroom at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles. And the 199 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: government provides this is this is really important. The government 200 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: provides secret Service protection for incumbents, right, but not for candidates. Right. 201 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: So if Lyndon B. Johnson is campaigning, then he has 202 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 1: Secret Service protection. But if his opponent Robert Kennedy or 203 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: Eugene mccarthyer campaigning, then they don't get that automatic protection. Instead, 204 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: RFK had three security people and FBI agent William Barry 205 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: and two former pro athletes who were sort of unofficial bodyguards. Now, 206 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: RFK was planning to mingle with some of his supporters 207 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: in the ballroom before going to this other gathering in 208 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 1: the same hotel. But journalists wanted this press conference. They 209 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: got deadlines. Well yeah, I mean, well, you want to 210 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: get a piece of just a little something, maybe one 211 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: or two lines from the guy who might win in 212 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: this election, and you know that's that's a big deal 213 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: for a journalist. Well, shure, it's a big deal, but 214 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 1: it's also expected. You don't get bonus credit for it. 215 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: You get fired if you don't do your job. That's 216 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:42,199 Speaker 1: exactly right now. Our rfk's campaign Stafford Fred Dutton, asked 217 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,079 Speaker 1: RFK to skip the second meeting, take a shortcut through 218 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: the hotel kitchen. But this basically behind the ballroom where 219 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: the employees travel, and he was gonna get there go 220 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: basically take a shortcut to meet the press. Okay, to 221 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: get to the press area. Now that's a great question 222 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: if you're asking it. Why didn't they just go the 223 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 1: right regular way? Why take the shortcut? Here's the thing. 224 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: RFK popular guy, always a people person, and apparently he 225 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: was always pausing to press the flesh, shake the hands, 226 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: kiss the babies as so it could be tough to 227 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: get him in and out places. You really had to 228 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: had to guide him as a handler. Yeah, you really 229 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: got to be hands on with him, right, And so 230 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: he was pausing to meet people as they were walking 231 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: through the kitchen, which you know, I think is cool, 232 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: is the idea of meeting somebody who might one day 233 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: be president. As he was shaking hands with an employee 234 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: named Juan Romero, a bus boy, uh, a guy rushed 235 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: from beside the ice machine, a young man named Sir 236 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: Hans sura Han firing a twenty two caliber Ivor Johnson 237 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: Cadet revolver. Now RFK got shot three times. One bullet 238 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: entered his head behind his right ear, the other two 239 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: at the rear of his right armpit, and the second 240 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: bullet exited his chest, but the third one stuck in 241 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: his neck, so he is conscious. He is lucid. The 242 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: first one of the first things he's asking when people 243 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: are talking to him, sir Han. Sirhan, by the way, 244 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: is instantly like tackled to the ground. Uh. They're asking 245 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: the first thing he asks everything is everyone safe? Are 246 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: they okay? Uh? He's rushed off to try to sit 247 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: in an attempt to save his life. Uh. They do 248 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: about four almost four hours of surgery on him. I 249 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: want to say, like three hours forty minutes. But despite 250 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: their efforts, he died on one am June six, about 251 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: twenty six hours later at two am. Uh. Frank Mankowitz, 252 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: the spokesperson for the campaign, made the official statement that 253 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: Noel interpreted for us at the top of the show. Searhan. 254 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: Searhan is as of this recording, currently sentenced to life 255 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: in prison the Richard J. Donovan Correctional Facility. So let's 256 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: get into this. What what's the motivation? Why would seer 257 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: Han Saran do this? What we know is that Sian 258 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: sire And was a Palestinian Christian with Georganian citizenship, and 259 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: investigators at the time believed that he murdered RFK or 260 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: at least shot RFK for because of the candidates support 261 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: of Israel, which he saw is endangering the population of Palestine. 262 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: He was very young at the time, he was only 263 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: twenty four. One of the chief pieces of evidence for 264 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: this that you can read is that his diary contained 265 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: evidence of pre meditation, including written phrases like RFK must 266 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: die over and over, Robert F. Kennedy must be assassinated 267 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: over and over uh, and sometimes citing specifically that this 268 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: murder must occur before the fifth of June ninety eight. 269 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: And here's the thing, guys, Assassinations can happen for all 270 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: sorts of reasons, and this is a perfectly believable one. 271 00:16:53,480 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: People have been shot historically for less, so why people 272 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: even today believe that this is the whole story. We'll 273 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 1: get to that in just a moment, but first we're 274 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: going to take a quick break for a word from 275 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: our sponsor. Here's where it gets crazy. Now, we can't 276 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: do all of these We talked about that earlier, so 277 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: we're gonna take a high level approach um, and like 278 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: Ben said, please write in for any more details or 279 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 1: any other conspiracies you think we missed here or you 280 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: would like to see us cover in the future. I'm 281 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: sure there are quite a few. Oh yeah, we could 282 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: probably make an entire separate podcast, not like an episode, 283 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: but a whole podcast. Yes stuff, RFK and JFKs killers 284 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. Yeah, we could have a 285 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: new episode every week. But until that happens, if it does. 286 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: Here are a few of the most common, let's call them, 287 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: alternative theories to the story behind rfk's assassination, if not 288 00:17:56,359 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: both assassinations. So the first one is that the CIA, 289 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: the Central Intelligence Agency in the United States, is somehow involved. 290 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: There's a filmmaker named Shane O'Sullivan. He's made several pieces, 291 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 1: I believe on this on these subjects, and in one 292 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: of them he believes that or he he um, he 293 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: states with some evidence when he actually spoke with several 294 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 1: people who believe that CIA officers were present on the 295 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 1: night of rfk's assassination. Yeah right, I mean, I don't 296 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: mean like, yeah right sarcastically, but that's correct that O'Sullivan 297 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: says this. So these three guys, again allegedly were identified 298 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: as c i A officers, senior officers who had worked 299 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: at the main ant castro station out there in Miami. 300 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: The three men listed were the chief Officer of Operations, 301 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 1: a fellow named David Morales, the chief of Maritime Operations, 302 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: a guy named Gordon Campbell, and the chief of psychological 303 00:18:55,920 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: Warfare a guy named George Johannades. Also, we should point 304 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: out that it would seem that several of these claims 305 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: were incorrect, specifically the one about Gordon Campbell, because it 306 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: would seem that he Campbell died of a heart attack 307 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 1: six years prior to this assassination. At least there are 308 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: records stating that he did, yeah, and not reck not 309 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 1: records as in people's letters to each other, records as 310 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: in death so old. Sullivan's film also features an interview 311 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: with an attorney named Robert Walton, who apparently worked with 312 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 1: or for David Morales. At some point. Walton says in 313 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: the film, I quote, I was in Dallas when we 314 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 1: got The Son of A and I was in Los 315 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 1: Angeles when we got The Little Bastard. Oh sorry, no, 316 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 1: I I thought we could say bastard. Can we say bastard? Noel? 317 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:54,679 Speaker 1: Of course you could say bastard come on and yeah, 318 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: that's yeah, Well we do. Our beefs live here. Interesting 319 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: thing about this film is the ci A to klimbed 320 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: to comment, There's an interesting note here too that I'd 321 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: like to make. It is true, ladies and gentlemen, that 322 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: one of the reasons the term conspiracy theory is so 323 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: popular in the mainstream is that shortly after the assassination 324 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: of JFK, the CIA propagated some memos, distributed some memos 325 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: advising people on how to handle folks who said the 326 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 1: official story wasn't true. And one of the big things 327 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: they said is call it a conspiracy theory, call them 328 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 1: conspiracy theorists. That's a fact, and you can check. I 329 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: think you can find that actual document or a copy 330 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: of it online, right yeah. And since then, if you 331 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: hear in the news someone using the phrase conspiracy theory 332 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:47,959 Speaker 1: or theorist, it just equates with sure, right yeah, because 333 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:53,719 Speaker 1: HSBC laundering money for drug cartels is the exact same 334 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: thing as a secret race of half reptile aliens. Yeah, 335 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: it's completely equivalent. Pretty much apples apples there. But O'Sullivan 336 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: didn't stop at that one film. He produced another film 337 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 1: or created another film in two thousand seven. Yes, that 338 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: one was called RFK Must Die, and that updated some 339 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,479 Speaker 1: of those earlier erroneous claims, including most particularly the one 340 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: about Gordon Campbell. So that's the that's part of the 341 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: CIA involvement. You'll also hear stuff about a woman in 342 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 1: a polka dot dress, which which I think will be 343 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 1: familiar to a lot of people have looked at this. Uh, 344 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: there's the theory of a second gunman next, which is 345 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: not mutually exclusive. Right, No, no, not at all. Several 346 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 1: of these could be working together. Who knows, um. But 347 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 1: in this one, authorities say that eight bullets were fired, 348 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 1: three hitting Robert Kennedy and the rest striking five other victims, 349 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: all of whom survived. Lawyers William F. Pepper and Laurie 350 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:59,719 Speaker 1: Dussick claim analysis of audio recordings actually show that there 351 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: are thirteen shots that were fired from multiple guns, and 352 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: that's five more shots than sir Han could fire from 353 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 1: the twenty two that he had in his possession. Yeah, 354 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: because of the clip side, So that all of that 355 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 1: makes me go, hume, Yeah, but it's it's an audio recording, 356 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: so it's not It is completely true that sir Han 357 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 1: Surhan was in there with a gun, fired it and 358 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:30,360 Speaker 1: this politician died. That is inarguable. Sirhan and the defense 359 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: team have continuously or consistently appealed this stuff. Uh, the 360 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 1: Attorney General, Kamala Harris, was not persuaded by some of 361 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:42,360 Speaker 1: these appeals, saying that the allegations fell short of dismantling 362 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: the prosecution's overwhelming case against him. And so, while we're 363 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: on the subject of sir Han Surhan, which could deserve 364 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: its own podcast alone, we want to just talk a 365 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 1: little bit briefly about this Manchurian candidate thing that you've 366 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 1: heard us throw around a long time, was yours? Well, 367 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: the show hasn't been on that long in the audio, 368 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: but well, I guess people have watched the videos for 369 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: a while too, are already familiar with this concept that 370 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: we did an audio show about the possibility of a 371 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 1: Manchurian candidate. What, Matt, what is that? What? What do 372 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 1: we mean when we say that? Well, the term itself 373 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 1: was popularized or even coined by Richard Condon in his 374 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: book from nineteen fifty nine, called maturing candidate or the 375 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: Maturian candidate. And we've again, we've talked about this a lot. 376 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: The definition really is an assassin who is kind of 377 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: an unwitting assassin who is unaware that they are an assassin. 378 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 1: Either with through brainwashing or some other technique, this person 379 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 1: is convinced by a third party to murder someone else, 380 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: and they're usually activated somehow, like with a woman with 381 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: a polka dot address. When you see this woman, you 382 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 1: will need you will go and kill your target. Right, 383 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,360 Speaker 1: that's the idea that there's some sort of trigger word, 384 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: phrase or image. So do be cautious if a stranger 385 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: approaches you and whispers something very specific in your head. 386 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: But that's the thing. If you are a man Turing candidate, 387 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 1: you aren't aware that you are, and you will have 388 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 1: no idea when someone whispers the trigger words to you. 389 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,919 Speaker 1: Write and for the vast majority of people, this is 390 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 1: filed under interesting yet complete bs because the thing here 391 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: is that it has not been proven in a scientific way. 392 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: There there's no solid, peer reviewed evidence that shows people 393 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: can be programmed to that level of sophistication. There is 394 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: evidence that shows you can easily influence people in ways 395 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: that don't understand. Like right now, I have a hot 396 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: cup of coffee in my hand, and there are a 397 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 1: couple of studies that show that if a stranger comes 398 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 1: in here right now and starts talking to Matt and 399 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: I and let's say Matt had a cold drink. What's 400 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 1: a kind of cold drink you would have? So okay, 401 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 1: So Matt has Matt has a soby ice cold delicious, 402 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: soby I've got a I've got a steaming cup of coffee. 403 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: Then this study showed that the temperature of the drink 404 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: we are holding has a measurable influence on our perception 405 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,679 Speaker 1: of this stranger. Matt will be likely too. I know 406 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: it sounds so dumb. It does sound, but Matt will be, 407 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 1: according to this research, more likely to be objective, maybe 408 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: less likely to be to empathize with them, whereas I 409 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: will be much warmer, I'd be cold, you'd be There's 410 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: also okay, just while we're on it. This total tangent. 411 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 1: But if you are working at a job and you 412 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: don't know a lot of people and you want them 413 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,439 Speaker 1: to think you're a team player, get a picture of 414 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 1: a dog, frame it and put it on your desk. 415 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: It won't work if it's a cat and it doesn't matter, 416 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 1: or if you're in the picture. I mean, if you 417 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: really want to be a moral and unethical about it, 418 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be your dog. Although I think 419 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: lying that way will come back to bite you, and 420 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 1: it's not a good practice. And apparently that picture of 421 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 1: a dog will prime people to think of you as 422 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 1: a trustworthy, loyal team player. Wait, Ben, what I was 423 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 1: thinking of some pictures on your desk? Yeah, yeah, that's no, 424 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: that's a real dog. It's a real dog. Is it 425 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: your dog? Moving on, So sir Han has actually gone 426 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 1: into this manchurion candidate territory. I guess you would call it, because, 427 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: as we said, he was sentenced to life in prison. 428 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: He did not receive the death penalty. Uh. And he 429 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:51,959 Speaker 1: has continued his uh, the appeals process. He claims he 430 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: has no recollection of the murder whatsoever. In an appeal 431 00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: in two thousand eleven, his lawyers repeated this previous assertion 432 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 1: and they had reports from people they said were experts 433 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 1: who said that sir Han Sarhan was programmed through hypnosis 434 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,160 Speaker 1: to fire shots as a diversion for the real killer. 435 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: And that was in the latest appeal uh two thousand eleven, 436 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:21,880 Speaker 1: I believe denied officially in two thousand twelve. That's that 437 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 1: is movie stuff right there. It sounds it sounds like 438 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 1: the plot of film. To write of a thriller of 439 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 1: political intrigue, film, the idea that someone could be programmed 440 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 1: to do that sort of stuff and then in the aftermath, 441 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: which sir Han Sarhan argued, Uh, in the aftermath have 442 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: their memory wiped so that they don't remember who told 443 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: them to do it or how. It just seems complicated. 444 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: It seems pretty convenient way, um for as a story. Yeah, 445 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 1: so that's a great that's a great point. Is this 446 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: a legitimate events? Is this evidence of mental instability? And 447 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: as as as other studies show, uh, spending your life 448 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 1: in prison is not conducive to one's mental health? Or 449 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 1: is this just a desperate, dishonest attempt to gain freedom? Right? 450 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 1: I mean maybe. Man, It's it's tough. It's so tough 451 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: to view from this angle, right, I want to believe 452 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 1: in some as it sounds horrible, but I want to 453 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:35,679 Speaker 1: believe that something that fantastical could be real, right, that 454 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: there would be that sort of level of Um, I guess, 455 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: I guess science or technology to to be able to 456 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: do something like that. Don't get me wrong. He's terrifying. Yeah, 457 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: it's terrifying, and it's horrible the way if it's true, 458 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: the way it was used. But I wish I want 459 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: to live in a world where things like that are possible, 460 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: like things that are otherworldly. Almost uh. Some people would 461 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:04,239 Speaker 1: say that you do. Unfortunately again at this point, or 462 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: maybe fortunately there's a better way to put it there, 463 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: there isn't any evidence that that level of influencing a 464 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: person can happen. Now. There's there is evidence, of course 465 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: of brainwashing, right, stuff like Stockholm syndrome, right, and Patty 466 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: Hurst joining the people who kidnapped her, right, or people 467 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 1: being members of cults or other organizations that are similar 468 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: to cults. And Darren Brown did well supposedly demonstrate that 469 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: he could create a Mansurian candidate. Yes, yes, he did, yeah, 470 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: and that is for television, for television, of course, and 471 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: that was a carefully controlled thing, so it's not like 472 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: he was setting this person out to be triggered and 473 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: assault people. However, what the big difference here in this 474 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: idea of a Manchurian candidate would be that the Manurion 475 00:29:54,040 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: candidate exists as a separate ums like a soft wear program, 476 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: like a hidden software program or protocol inside a larger 477 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: operating system of a human personality, whereas brainwashing usually the 478 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: when people are brainwashed, they still understand like they remember 479 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: what they're doing. They still understand the concept of the past, 480 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: the concept of the future. Right. Uh, They're not some 481 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 1: sort of automaton arguably, and we should. I would love 482 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: to talk to Occult the programmer or something like that. 483 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: What do you think so we've got well tell us 484 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: if you have any access to cult the programmers that 485 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: you think are legitimate, because we would like to get 486 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 1: their story out there. We have one last one here, 487 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: which is not not really fair, but it was all 488 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 1: a coincidence. Uh. When JFK was shot in sixty three 489 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 1: and when RFK was shot in sixty eight, these were 490 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: entirely unrelated incidents. Lone Madman, Lee Harvey Oswald, Sirhan Sirhan 491 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: assassinated these politicians and brothers for entirely separate reasons, and 492 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: they just happened to both be from the same political 493 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: dynasty very high in the ranks of US politics. For me, 494 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 1: one of the strangest things here is that we didn't 495 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: have presidential assassinations during the Great Wars in World War 496 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: One and World War Two in the US. But then 497 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 1: they there too. And Okay, RFK was not a president, 498 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 1: but he was a presidential candidate and having two of 499 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: them happen in just back to back and being brothers, 500 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: I don't know, right, And I think that's an interesting 501 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: point to make because we know that while there have 502 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: been numerous attempts to assassin senate presidents um more than 503 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: twenty if we count former presidents, uh, that that we 504 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: know of, at least, uh, there have been only four 505 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: presidents that were successfully assassinated. That's Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley, and Kennedy. Now, 506 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: other presidents were injured in attempted assassinations, the most recent 507 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: being Ronald Reagan, but the every single president has been 508 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: at least since John F. Kennedy has been threatened by 509 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: someone with an assassination. I think that just goes with 510 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 1: the job, honestly, in the way communication is changing. Right. 511 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 1: That's a really good point too, so is it? Is 512 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 1: it an entirely unrelated thing for some people? The those 513 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: different commonalities just are circumstantial but too strong to ignore. 514 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 1: But of course, you know, the truth is, regardless of 515 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: what happened, that both of these people were killed, and 516 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: it could have been a coincidence, at least according to 517 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: the official stories, which find no connection between the murders, 518 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 1: which comes back to um leads us to rather one 519 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: of my favorite parts of this show. Matt, I'm gonna 520 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: put you on the spot here. Okay, what do you think? 521 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: What do you think about this thing? Coincidence related motivations, 522 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 1: possible players. Well, I I find myself being swayed a 523 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 1: little too easily when I watched documentaries. But there is 524 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 1: a lot of information that I've been finding, both in 525 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 1: JFK's situation and rfk's situation that makes me suspicious of 526 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: Lyndon Johnson's administration. I'm not saying that he did it. 527 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 1: I am interested in connections between l vj's administration and 528 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: perhaps some of the people that RFK made enemies of 529 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 1: when he was Attorney General. And I don't know enough 530 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: about that right now, but I am That's where I'm 531 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 1: interested in looking. Yeah, he was anti War two, if 532 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 1: he ran on anti war platform, if I recall correctly. Yeah, 533 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 1: for me, it's it's difficult because I want to you know, 534 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 1: I want all of the information right, and it's still there. 535 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 1: There are still things that people don't agree on. But 536 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,879 Speaker 1: in both cases, in both JFK's case and rf case case, 537 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: the official investigation is more or less close you know, 538 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 1: the Warren Commission did their bit. Um. There were investigations 539 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 1: into rfk's death, and they plan it squarely on Sir Hans. 540 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: Sir han Um. I'm just um, I'm perplexed. I think 541 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 1: most by h the fact that Sara and Saran is 542 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: still alive and imprisoned and filing appeals using the appeal process, 543 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,760 Speaker 1: uh continually or when whenever the opportunity presents, and saying 544 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 1: that he was saying that he was brainwashed and then 545 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: brain white. You know that's spooky stuff. Yeah, but he's 546 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 1: just a conspiracy theorist. Ben He's well, people would say, 547 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 1: he's just a convicted murderer trying to trying to get out. Right. 548 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 1: So now we're going to pass the question to you, 549 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,320 Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen. What do you think about all this? 550 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 1: Do you have? Are there any people that we didn't 551 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,320 Speaker 1: talk about in this episode? Oh there are a lot actually, 552 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,800 Speaker 1: well yeah that you really think could be I don't know, 553 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 1: a suspect right to us, Please find us on Facebook, 554 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: find us on Twitter. Were conspiracy stuff at both of 555 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 1: those also, I mean, if you really want to, you 556 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,359 Speaker 1: could send us an email. Ah. Yes, And while we're 557 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,799 Speaker 1: on that subject, Matt, No, what do you guys think. 558 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 1: Let's do a little listener mail. Here's a message we 559 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 1: got from Kelly. Hey, guys, you should do a podcast 560 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,800 Speaker 1: on the Avro Aero CF one oh five. This super 561 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: jet was amazing until the Canadian government canceled it in 562 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty nine. The cancelation day is known as Black 563 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:25,400 Speaker 1: Friday in Canadian aviation history. All planes, components, production, tooling, equipment, 564 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,360 Speaker 1: and technical data was scrapped. The story is filled with 565 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 1: conspiracies regarding why the program was canceled. The story involves 566 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:36,840 Speaker 1: Russian spies and the fallout leading leading to scientists involved 567 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 1: in NASA and the Concord Jet. Cheers and keep up 568 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,359 Speaker 1: the great work, Kelly. So this is interesting, the super 569 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 1: jet Avro Aero CF one oh five. Do you know 570 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 1: anything about this? You know, it's funny. It's funny that 571 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,880 Speaker 1: you say this, or that we're reading this letter because Kelly, 572 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 1: I believe that you also rode into car stuff to 573 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 1: ask us if we wanted to over this UM. I 574 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 1: have looked into it a little bit, but it is 575 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 1: definitely a pretty good suggestion. I you know, it kind 576 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 1: of spans both car stuff and stuff they don't want 577 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 1: you to know. Right, well, you know what that means. 578 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 1: We're gonna do a joint episode. Yeah, why not? We 579 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,239 Speaker 1: maybe we can have Scott over on that on this show, 580 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 1: or maybe we can do a video about it. We'll 581 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,400 Speaker 1: see what goes up with. There's one other thing, ladies 582 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:32,319 Speaker 1: and gentlemen, you know what that sound means. It's time 583 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:36,840 Speaker 1: for a moment with our super producer, No, the second 584 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: gun man Brown. Hey, no, pretty well, we just wanted 585 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,319 Speaker 1: to check in with you. We uh, just got done 586 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: with the episode. So what's going on? No, nothing much, 587 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 1: you know, just the usual, just listening to you guys 588 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,439 Speaker 1: editing on episode on mass extinction from a different show. What, yeah, 589 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 1: which one is it? Is it? Oh? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, 590 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 1: I'm looking forwards to that. It's a massive station because 591 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 1: we're in we're in the anthropos scene, right, the age 592 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,839 Speaker 1: of man or something right for a little while longer, 593 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,960 Speaker 1: for a little while longer. Well, I'm Noel, I'm glad 594 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,759 Speaker 1: you could check in and want to keep you too long, 595 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 1: but I do want you to know that I want 596 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:18,799 Speaker 1: both of you guys to know that. Based on our 597 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,400 Speaker 1: earlier conversation last week about the nature of a euro 598 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:27,800 Speaker 1: and what constitutes a sandwich. We received some tweets, so 599 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna just I'm just gonna give you a few 600 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 1: of these here. Get your responses, alright. So uh, Janelle 601 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,880 Speaker 1: writes in to say I'm glad conspiracy stuff covers important topics. 602 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 1: A ero is so not a sandwich? Hashtag two slices 603 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:49,279 Speaker 1: or bust um. Larry k writes in, so we did 604 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,960 Speaker 1: a good job on the podcast on the Deep Web 605 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,440 Speaker 1: where we interviewed Alex Winter said privacy is something that 606 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,920 Speaker 1: needs to make a comeback. Also as Eiro is not 607 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 1: a sandwich. People are opinionated about this stuff and this 608 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 1: is this is the last one. Three um uh Kelsey 609 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,719 Speaker 1: Edo says my vote is that it's a wrap. But 610 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 1: Wikipedia says it's a sandwich, and then tweets us again 611 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,480 Speaker 1: and says here's where it's Here's where it gets crazy. 612 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 1: Did someone change the Wikipedia entrigue in order to get 613 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 1: people to say that it's a sandwich? Well, you guys, 614 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 1: I think I might be able to shed at least 615 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 1: a little bit of light on this. So I was 616 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 1: at lunch last week to a little Greek joint near 617 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 1: the office, and sure enough, on the menu it says 618 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 1: hero sandwich. WHOA right there? Well, you know what, you 619 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,920 Speaker 1: guys are my friends, and I trust you, and I'm 620 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 1: It's more important to me to know the truth than 621 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 1: to feel like I'm right. So if a ro qualifies 622 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:57,160 Speaker 1: as a sandwich in a Greek restaurant, I don't really 623 00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 1: I don't really have the authority to contradict. I mean, 624 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 1: I see you're coming from. I do feel like it 625 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 1: exists in sort of a weird gray area between rap 626 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,000 Speaker 1: and sandwich. I sort of think it's neither a rap 627 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,120 Speaker 1: nor a sandwich. For the sake of the discussion, I'm 628 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:11,920 Speaker 1: gonna call it a sandwich. And why do we need 629 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 1: labels anyways? Right, that's that's the best point so far, 630 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,440 Speaker 1: I agreed. So I guess that's that's it for today. 631 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,440 Speaker 1: Until next time, ladies and gentlemen, I have been met. 632 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:30,120 Speaker 1: I'm still there, and we are changing our identities after this. Yeah, 633 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,479 Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna say anything. We gonna wipe my brain. 634 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,480 Speaker 1: I'm going to have a chat with you in a 635 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 1: darkened room with a projector Well before kit to that point, 636 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 1: let's assume that we will still be here next week. 637 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,640 Speaker 1: Long listening videos coming out in the meantime, you can 638 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,240 Speaker 1: see every podcast we've ever done at our website Stuff 639 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,719 Speaker 1: they don't want you to note dot com. As we said, 640 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,560 Speaker 1: you can tweak to us or send us a message 641 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,840 Speaker 1: on Facebook, or check out some of the stories that 642 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,399 Speaker 1: don't make it on the air. 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