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Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week on Beyond Contact,
Speaker 3: we'll explore the latest news in ufology, discuss some of
Speaker 3: the classic cases, and bring you the latest information from
Speaker 3: the newest cases as we talk with the top experts.
Speaker 4: Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Ron, and today
Speaker 4: we're going to be looking at another aspect of the
Speaker 4: UFO phenomenon, namely cases of direct contact with alleged alien beings.
Speaker 4: I'm going to be speaking with Yvonne Smith about this.
Speaker 4: She's a certified hypnotherapist who since nineteen ninety when she
Speaker 4: first opened her office, began working with PTSD victims. Noticing
Speaker 4: that many of her subjects were describing a pattern of
Speaker 4: a close encounter experience. In nineteen ninety one, she founded zero,
Speaker 4: the Close Encounter Resource Organization. This is a support group
Speaker 4: which hosts monthly meetings for people who've had such experiences. Hi, Yvon,
Speaker 4: how you doing?
Speaker 3: Huh?
Speaker 5: Hi Captain Ron, I'm doing great. Thank you for having
Speaker 5: me on the show.
Speaker 4: Absolutely. Of course I need to mention that in twenty
Speaker 4: twenty three you won the Lifetime Achievement Award at Contact
Speaker 4: in the Desert for all your work in this area
Speaker 4: helping people.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that was such a highlight for me. I
Speaker 5: will never forget it, and when I'm proud of it,
Speaker 5: I tell everybody about it. So thank you again. I
Speaker 5: love it.
Speaker 4: Of course, that's awesome, well deserved. You started off helping
Speaker 4: people with PTSD, and I think you were originally even
Speaker 4: trying to help cancer patients when you first started off.
Speaker 4: So how does it go from that to now you're
Speaker 4: working with contact ees.
Speaker 5: I had a very close uncle, like a big brother really.
Speaker 5: He died at forty one years old of cancer and
Speaker 5: I was with him, you know, every day. And when
Speaker 5: I started hypnotherapy college, you know, I thought that would
Speaker 5: be you know, something very dear near and dear to
Speaker 5: my heart. And I did work with cancer patients in
Speaker 5: the clinic after I graduated. But when I opened up
Speaker 5: my practice, that's what I was going to do, but
Speaker 5: I had opened up an office closer to my home.
Speaker 5: But meanwhile, it was when I went to see Bud Hopkins,
Speaker 5: who was the pioneer of abduction research and eventually became
Speaker 5: my mentor. When I went to see his lecture at
Speaker 5: at the time, there were this was the late eighties
Speaker 5: Whole Life Expo. They were, you know, all over the country,
Speaker 5: and my mother is very into the metaphysics, she was
Speaker 5: very psychic, so she wanted me to go with her,
Speaker 5: and we went to his lecture and I became totally
Speaker 5: intrigued about what he was talking about, showing his slides,
Speaker 5: and afterwards we waited to ask him a couple of
Speaker 5: questions and from there, you know, when I started him
Speaker 5: with therapy college, I thought, I'm going to learn to
Speaker 5: do this. They don't teach or back then, they didn't
Speaker 5: teach regression. In fact, they frowned on it because they thought,
Speaker 5: you know, that's taking somebody back and you have to
Speaker 5: be very very careful about what you're doing there. Well,
Speaker 5: how I learned regression with abductees was observing Bud's sessions
Speaker 5: when he was out. He would fly out from New
Speaker 5: York and stay with my family. I was married at
Speaker 5: the time, with my boys were you know, two little boys,
Speaker 5: and I you know, at the time, I didn't realize,
Speaker 5: Oh my god, I mean, this is just you know,
Speaker 5: what an opportunity I had of just sitting in with him.
Speaker 5: And like I said, eventually he became my mentor because
Speaker 5: then I started seeing clients as I met people in
Speaker 5: the field, because I went The big conference I went
Speaker 5: to was the move On Symposium in Las Vegas. At
Speaker 5: the time, Oh my god, I wouldn't experience that was
Speaker 5: and I met several people, and you know, I told
Speaker 5: him I'm I'm a certified HITMO therapist working with Bud Hopkins.
Speaker 5: And I started getting referral. But I still thought, oh,
Speaker 5: this will be interesting, you know, a few abduction cases,
Speaker 5: and still I was, you know, going to be working
Speaker 5: with cancer patients, which I did for a while. But
Speaker 5: it's snowball, Ron, It's snowball. You know. Now, thirty three
Speaker 5: years later, I have to say that I was placed
Speaker 5: on this path. It's not something I planned on, really
Speaker 5: directly planned on. But I couldn't say this, you know,
Speaker 5: twenty years ago, could sound it to woo woo, you
Speaker 5: know like, oh, I was placed on those paths. But really,
Speaker 5: I don't if people who know me, I don't obsess
Speaker 5: over anything. I get bored before I obsess over anything.
Speaker 5: This was the first subject that I couldn't get enough
Speaker 5: to read. I couldn't get enough you know, documentaries to watch.
Speaker 5: And then you know, eventually I traveled. I was asked
Speaker 5: to lecture, and I traveled with Bud Hopkins, doctor David Jacobs,
Speaker 5: doctor John Mack. I mean, you know, here are all
Speaker 5: the A listers and here I was the rookie and
Speaker 5: the only woman at the time, and we traveled throughout
Speaker 5: the United States. It was just unbelievable. I learned so
Speaker 5: much because I had questions. I'll don't forget.
Speaker 4: Those are the top guys. So that's the perfect place
Speaker 4: to learn right there from guys, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I just couldn't believe how fortunate I was. You
Speaker 5: know how we all gather after, you know, after the
Speaker 5: conference is over for the day, we go to the bar.
Speaker 5: We have a few drinks and I remember asking the guys,
Speaker 5: I said, to have any of you ever had descriptions
Speaker 5: someone in regression that described a tall you know, a
Speaker 5: dracula collar, a hi dracula collar, and a cape. Because
Speaker 5: I thought, oh my god, this sounds crazy. You know
Speaker 5: what did I get myself into? And I remember John
Speaker 5: mad Oh yeah, I get those all the time. And
Speaker 5: Bud would carry around, you know, his folder with some
Speaker 5: drawings and even showed me a couple. So I knew
Speaker 5: at that time I was on the right track. I
Speaker 5: knew I just if you.
Speaker 4: Have this therapeutic background, how did you know at that
Speaker 4: time that this wasn't something else? Like couldn't people with
Speaker 4: traumatic experiences as a child create the alien abduction story
Speaker 4: in their head.
Speaker 5: When I get clients and I'm still getting them every week,
Speaker 5: new clients, they had gone through all the traditional therapy,
Speaker 5: all you know, psychiatrists, psychology, they've been medicated, and they
Speaker 5: all tell me because this experience goes back to very
Speaker 5: early childhood. So when they're talking about twenty thirty forty
Speaker 5: years ago, there was nothing back then. You know, we
Speaker 5: didn't have the internet, there were no documentaries, you know,
Speaker 5: maybe a few UFO books, and a child is not
Speaker 5: going to make up something that's going to terrify them.
Speaker 5: My own son, my youngest son, was five years old
Speaker 5: when he started telling me something was coming in his room,
Speaker 5: and you know, he would come into our room and
Speaker 5: sleep on the floor every single night. And I'm getting
Speaker 5: these reports from many other parents, and I think because
Speaker 5: of what my son went through, it's made me a
Speaker 5: better therapist to be able to talk to parents about
Speaker 5: their children because they were putting it on the back
Speaker 5: burner for themselves. But then when their children start saying
Speaker 5: these strange things and it's all very, very similar, they realize,
Speaker 5: oh my god, I've got to I have to face
Speaker 5: what I may have gone through, you know.
Speaker 4: So that, yeah, what about the criticisms that we hear
Speaker 4: about hypnotherapists that they lead people down the alien path,
Speaker 4: that they lead them to that story, what about that?
Speaker 5: Well? Yeah, I mean I've heard this, I've heard it
Speaker 5: over and over. But I would talk about it many
Speaker 5: years ago. He would get so irritated. I mean, yes,
Speaker 5: if they go to an untrained therapist, And it scares
Speaker 5: me to think how many are out there trying to
Speaker 5: work with this. Some have led people. Back then, people
Speaker 5: were talking about it so we were really getting slammed
Speaker 5: as you know hypnotherapists. But when you listen, you know
Speaker 5: I had clients and we started off with cassettes. I
Speaker 5: mean I was recording on cassette tapes back then. When
Speaker 5: my clients told me, why you hardly say anything the
Speaker 5: sessions because I give them a copy of their session,
Speaker 5: they go, you know, they they told me that they
Speaker 5: were not led. I know, Bud didn't leave them, you know,
Speaker 5: job back. So that's why I trained therapists now. Ron
Speaker 5: I each workshops. I'm going to have another one coming
Speaker 5: up in September because we need trained there. It's out there.
Speaker 5: I'm not going to be able to do this forever,
Speaker 5: you yet, I'm going to have.
Speaker 4: To get more people in this field helping, helping these folks.
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Speaker 4: We are back on Beyond Contact. We're talking to Yvonne
Speaker 4: Smith here. Cavon, why don't you give us a typical
Speaker 4: like a walk through a case of a tip abduction
Speaker 4: that someone will will report to you or you'll hear
Speaker 4: under hypnosis. Tell us what you hear, well.
Speaker 5: There is some conscious memory with these experiences. People usually
Speaker 5: will remember the beginning of an abduction or the end
Speaker 5: of an abduction. There's two ways, a couple of ways
Speaker 5: really that this happens. The first one is could be
Speaker 5: a bedroom visitation. That's what we call them back then
Speaker 5: in the nineties. People will sit like they say, they're
Speaker 5: sitting in bed, watching TV, reading a book. They will
Speaker 5: see a bright blue white light coming through the window.
Speaker 5: They're thinking, you know, is that a car light or
Speaker 5: you know, they're not sure, but all of a sudden,
Speaker 5: they start feeling that they can't move except for their eyes.
Speaker 5: Some of them will see something coming in the room.
Speaker 5: Others there's just a blackout period. Once they start feeling
Speaker 5: what they start feeling that they cannot move, they're paralyzed.
Speaker 5: Then they'll come to me many years later, and with
Speaker 5: the with the regression, we start with, okay, this is
Speaker 5: this happened twenty years ago, and put them in their room,
Speaker 5: put them in that house where when this happened. They
Speaker 5: will then describe being taken out of their room. They'll
Speaker 5: describe going right through the window or right through the ceiling.
Speaker 5: Then they'll go you know. Then they'll say, eventually I'm
Speaker 5: not in my room. This is not my room. And
Speaker 5: as I'll ask them to describe your surroundings, and they'll
Speaker 5: describe many times a very sterile room. They feel that
Speaker 5: something or someone's with them, but they can't see them.
Speaker 5: Some of the room is very bright, some of the
Speaker 5: room is very dark. I'll throw in a question like
Speaker 5: what do you see in the corners of the room,
Speaker 5: and they're looking around. You can see their eyes moving
Speaker 5: under their closed eyelids, and they'll tell me the room
Speaker 5: is round, there's no corners, you know, and so when
Speaker 5: I ask them, you look around. So they'll describe, you know, machinery,
Speaker 5: they'll describe maybe a computer like equipment. And then they'll
Speaker 5: say eventually or suddenly, they'll say I'm on a table,
Speaker 5: or if something feel I'm lying on something that's not
Speaker 5: my bed, something like that. But this takes patience and
Speaker 5: it takes time because not all the information comes out
Speaker 5: in one session. Unfortunately. I'll just ask them, you know,
Speaker 5: what does it feel underneath you? They'll tell me it
Speaker 5: feels like a really hard, cold table. I don't think
Speaker 5: I have my clothes off. They don't remember their clothes
Speaker 5: being removed. I'll tell them, your senses are all of
Speaker 5: your senses are heightened. What are you sens and around you?
Speaker 5: What are you hearing? What are you feeling? There's a
Speaker 5: lot of silence within these sessions, and then they may
Speaker 5: say there's something or somebody to my right, or something's
Speaker 5: holding my arm or my head. There's pain on my head.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of head procedures with the abduction needle
Speaker 5: like instruments go inside different parts of the head, different
Speaker 5: parts of or love your right ear. Eventually, when I
Speaker 5: was working with but we realized that they were implanting
Speaker 5: people when they were doing this. And then eventually my
Speaker 5: dear friend and colleague, doctor Roger Leure, came on board,
Speaker 5: and then they started doing surgeries with these not everybody,
Speaker 5: not everybody has these objects, and we still don't know
Speaker 5: what what their real function is. We're thinking tracking device.
Speaker 5: They don't really need to tracking device to find anybody.
Speaker 5: Another theory is it improves our immune system. It keeps
Speaker 5: us healthy because they need us or our DNA and
Speaker 5: all the other materials they needs for to create this
Speaker 5: hybrid race so that people you they do, you know,
Speaker 5: eventually they do. Many of them don't want to look
Speaker 5: at them. You know, they'll they'll begin to get very upset.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 5: Some of them feel really close to their face right
Speaker 5: there and there's you know, they'll describe their eyes of core.
Speaker 5: Some of them look you know, they say they look
Speaker 5: very insect like. There's always a praying matches type being present.
Speaker 5: He always seems to be in charge. It always it's
Speaker 5: always a male energy. That's what takes time is for
Speaker 5: them to describe what these beings look like because they're
Speaker 5: being touched, and so ask them, you know, feel your body,
Speaker 5: your body retains memories, what does it feel like? You know,
Speaker 5: is there any pressure or discomfort in any part of
Speaker 5: your body? And then then you know, they'll tell me
Speaker 5: where they feel that pain or pressure. But a you know,
Speaker 5: a skilled hypnotherapist will tell them be able to get
Speaker 5: the information forward without them feeling the pain or discomfort.
Speaker 5: Because if people are reliving this experience, and that's why
Speaker 5: it's very important where someone goes for help. These are
Speaker 5: going to relive this and they don't want to you know,
Speaker 5: they don't want to be worse off than what happened
Speaker 5: to them before they even went into therapy. My goal
Speaker 5: is to relieve the PTSD symptoms and then the research
Speaker 5: a second, because everybody has to function, you know, no
Speaker 5: matter what, we all have to go to work, pay bills,
Speaker 5: pay taxes. You know, people who are having these experiences
Speaker 5: get very little sleep many times, and the PTSD will
Speaker 5: they can't concentrate on their work. And affects their relationships,
Speaker 5: whether they're married or in a relationship. It's very tedious work.
Speaker 5: Like I said, the information sometimes comes out very very slowly.
Speaker 4: So it sounds like we've seen they have. These kind
Speaker 4: of beings. Are the typical gray beings that we see
Speaker 4: the alien image of.
Speaker 5: You know, the ones I've come across. So what I'll say,
Speaker 5: I work with. The ones that take these people out
Speaker 5: of their normal environment are the ones, the small little
Speaker 5: grays that people talk about and then when they go
Speaker 5: onto the crap, it's different. There's some that are taught
Speaker 5: than these little grays, and some of them we are
Speaker 5: very tight fitting one piece suit or uniforms. Sometimes there's
Speaker 5: very human looking ones. We used to call them the
Speaker 5: Nordics way back in the day. Now it's feel it's
Speaker 5: you know, more perfected hybrids that can be down here
Speaker 5: and nobody would even bink a eye at them.
Speaker 4: Then about these different races, you're saying, these different beings
Speaker 4: are on the same ship together. We hear about these
Speaker 4: different races. We've heard there's four different races. We've heard
Speaker 4: eighty eight different races. I think some people have even
Speaker 4: categorized over one hundred distinct races that humans have claimed
Speaker 4: to interact with. How many different species have you catalog
Speaker 4: that you see repeated by contact these or is it
Speaker 4: pretty consistently a small group.
Speaker 5: It's consistently because I'm dealing with abduction. So it's the
Speaker 5: small grace four foot tall little grays that take people
Speaker 5: out of their environment. And there's the taller ones that
Speaker 5: you know, there's a chain of command on the ship.
Speaker 5: So there's the taller Grays. Like I said, sometimes I'll
Speaker 5: wear a type fitting uniform. There's the very tall training
Speaker 5: Mattis type, always in charge. Some of them wear a cape.
Speaker 5: Here comes the you know, the high collar cape. Sometimes
Speaker 5: there's light beans that are on board as well, but
Speaker 5: they don't perform any of the examinations. It's the gray
Speaker 5: beans and the train Mattis type that do those things.
Speaker 4: Interesting when we return, we're going to talk more with you,
Speaker 4: Vonne Smith about these experiences that people have aboard craft
Speaker 4: and being abducted out of their room. You're listening to
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Speaker 4: We are back on Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron talking
Speaker 4: to Yvonne Smith here about alien abduction cases. Yvon if
Speaker 4: this is really happening to people. Do you have a
Speaker 4: guess as to what this actually is. Do you think
Speaker 4: it's off planet physical beings traveling here. Do you think
Speaker 4: it's maybe a separate race here on Earth. Do you
Speaker 4: think it's a race from the future, interdimensional beings, or
Speaker 4: is it tied to souls or spirits after death? What
Speaker 4: do you get the sense that these creatures aren't well?
Speaker 5: You know, working with so many people, it is a
Speaker 5: physical experience. People are taken out of their homes or
Speaker 5: out of their cars. Other family members have searched for people,
Speaker 5: and you know they're gone. They're gone in the middle
Speaker 5: of the night. I know it's a physical experience. They'll
Speaker 5: come back with marks on their bodies that were not
Speaker 5: there the night before. I show these in my lectures,
Speaker 5: triangular shaped bruises or needle like marks, incisions that look
Speaker 5: like they're almost healed over. They could be others that
Speaker 5: you had described, But with the work that I do,
Speaker 5: it's mainly it's mainly physical because as I mentioned, people
Speaker 5: will also see a loved one being taken. They'll they'll
Speaker 5: be there, say in the bed or in the car,
Speaker 5: and they'll you know, they're not able to move and
Speaker 5: their witness team, their loved one being taken out of
Speaker 5: the car, out of the room that happened in my
Speaker 5: Coronado mass subduction case of you know, a husband and wife.
Speaker 5: So as far as you know the others, you know,
Speaker 5: I mean, these these beings can be inner dimensional. Of course,
Speaker 5: you know, they can get here and you know, in
Speaker 5: and out people will see a craft and then all
Speaker 5: of a sudden, I say, it's gone. I mean, just zip,
Speaker 5: it's gone. You know. I wish I had more information
Speaker 5: about these beings, but all I know is I have
Speaker 5: to take take it from where the research is taking me.
Speaker 4: And of course you do. And in that research, do
Speaker 4: you hear do we ever get messages from them that
Speaker 4: that the beings want to give to humanity or that individual?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I mean over the years, of course, it's
Speaker 5: always been since I started this, that we're not taking
Speaker 5: care of our planet. That you know, we have to
Speaker 5: raise our vibration to a more spiritual level. We need
Speaker 5: to love each other more to be able to heal
Speaker 5: the planet. Course, I think it's getting worse when you're
Speaker 5: looking around what's happening around the world, and I think
Speaker 5: that's why these latest messages are coming through because they're concerned.
Speaker 5: They're concerned about our weapons. They've always been concerned about
Speaker 5: our nuclear weapons. There's been messages given to people about that.
Speaker 5: And now, I mean back in when you know, the sixties,
Speaker 5: it was like five different military installations. They turned them
Speaker 5: all off. You know, if that wasn't a message to us,
Speaker 5: but did we listen? No, And now they're worried about
Speaker 5: other countries. What is it China and Russia getting together.
Speaker 5: They're worried about what they're going to do. I mean,
Speaker 5: we're just really humans to them, and they're very concerned
Speaker 5: because this is going to affect the rest of the universe.
Speaker 5: So I'm hearing a very anxious message on them that
Speaker 5: they are going to be coming. They're out, They're coming.
Speaker 5: It's time.
Speaker 4: So I don't like that over the years, over and over,
Speaker 4: and I've heard that going back many many years. So
Speaker 4: I feel like that's kind of falling on deaf ears
Speaker 4: here because I think that seems to be just part
Speaker 4: of the experience and maybe their time means within a
Speaker 4: thousand years is quick, you know.
Speaker 5: I mean, we still don't know what you know, we're
Speaker 5: coming soon. We still don't know what soon is. But
Speaker 5: just taking from what I'm hearing lately and from many
Speaker 5: people what's happening around the world. I don't know, it
Speaker 5: feels different this time. Wrong, it feels different to me.
Speaker 4: So you're going to make sense what the point of
Speaker 4: all this might be beyond the hybridization program. Is there
Speaker 4: anything else that you're getting that's a message or that
Speaker 4: you feel after hearing case after case after case, that
Speaker 4: something else is happening or something else is trying to
Speaker 4: be communicated.
Speaker 5: What I've heard lately is that they are going to
Speaker 5: be showing themselves. They haven't, but as far as a
Speaker 5: definite message other than what they're doing or what they
Speaker 5: want to do, not yet. But I'm still keeping mind,
Speaker 5: eyes and ears open because I have a lot of
Speaker 5: new people coming to see me lately. I've never been
Speaker 5: this busy in my entire career. You know, when you
Speaker 5: work for yourself, it goes like this, you know, and
Speaker 5: there's some months I rarely have, you know, I don't
Speaker 5: have any sessions, and this is my livelihood. But lately
Speaker 5: I feel like I've been working full time and that's
Speaker 5: never happened before.
Speaker 4: So well, that's interesting. Yeah, you're seeing an increase that's interesting. Okay, Well,
Speaker 4: over the years, you know, we've heard of that free
Speaker 4: study done years ago that you know, although people were
Speaker 4: all traumatized early by the experience, the vast majority of
Speaker 4: them felt that they liked that they had this experience
Speaker 4: in their life and they like having this. Is that
Speaker 4: what you've found as well, or do people feel differently?
Speaker 5: Excuse me? Eventually, Yeah, they were all traumatized because they
Speaker 5: didn't know what was happening to them, so they come
Speaker 5: for help. Eventually, when it's it's a combination of all
Speaker 5: the therapy, you know, the regression, getting together in the
Speaker 5: support group, listening to other people, like minded people, you know,
Speaker 5: like they're not alone, the fear begins to dissipate. And
Speaker 5: when that fear begins to dissipate, that's when they realize
Speaker 5: the majority of telling me to become a better person,
Speaker 5: that are grateful for the experience. You know, it's opened
Speaker 5: up their eyes. You cannot see the world the same.
Speaker 5: I'm different from what I was thirty three years ago.
Speaker 5: They become you know, more spiritual, more kind to each other,
Speaker 5: the love for animals that they all have. It's just
Speaker 5: a handful of people that I that I'm working with that,
Speaker 5: I've come across that are still very very angry, you know.
Speaker 5: But everybody is very different how they handle this, just
Speaker 5: like how we handle grief. You know, there's no handbook
Speaker 5: saying this is what you have to do. So you know,
Speaker 5: in my support creuk means nobody's right, nobody's wrong, but
Speaker 5: you know, everybody support each other for whatever stage they're in.
Speaker 5: We have to respect that.
Speaker 4: Of course. Do you feel that these beings are anevolent
Speaker 4: or do you think that could be a ruse?
Speaker 5: Even I don't think they are evil, you know, I
Speaker 5: don't get that they're evil at all. They have an
Speaker 5: agenda and they are doing their job. They can be very,
Speaker 5: very kind and very loving, but they also can be
Speaker 5: very deceptive. They will have someone they say they're bringing
Speaker 5: someone on the ship, and the person will look ahead
Speaker 5: of them. I'll go, oh my god, there's my mom,
Speaker 5: you know, or there's my dad, a loved one who's
Speaker 5: crossed over, and then all of a sudden it morphs
Speaker 5: into the alien be is to make them feel comfortable
Speaker 5: with them. But people get angry about that, you know,
Speaker 5: and that happens. That happens so much. I can't even
Speaker 5: begin to tell you so they can be and and
Speaker 5: you know, and how if they answer your question, they
Speaker 5: could be very deceptive. They kind of go around the
Speaker 5: question and they really don't answer directly. You know, where
Speaker 5: are you from? Where are you doing this? I mean
Speaker 5: basically they just say, we're not here to hurt you.
Speaker 5: You'll be done pretty you know, we'll be done soon.
Speaker 4: Yeah. But somebody that was here to hurt you probably
Speaker 4: would say that. They would say, I'm not here to
Speaker 4: hurt you, and then they would hurt you. Just you're
Speaker 4: hearing it. So I don't know how we trust them.
Speaker 4: And I don't know why this has to be so clandestine.
Speaker 4: It seems right an interesting aspect of this whole phenomenon.
Speaker 4: When we return, We're going to continue our conversation with you,
Speaker 4: Von Smith. You are listening to Beyond Contact on the
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Speaker 4: We are back on Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron. We're
Speaker 4: talking to Yvonne Smith here. Is there any way to
Speaker 4: stop this? We occasionally hear of cases where people with
Speaker 4: these experiences claim to have been able to stop it.
Speaker 4: Have you found that to be true?
Speaker 5: People ask me all the time, why can you please
Speaker 5: stop this? I wish I could. I wish I had
Speaker 5: that power.
Speaker 4: Wow, it's even scarier.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I don't want to mislead people into thinking they
Speaker 5: could stop it, or if I tell them, oh, do
Speaker 5: this and do that, they'll stop it. This experience will
Speaker 5: lay dormant, sometimes for many years, but then something down
Speaker 5: the line will happen again. So they people have stopped it. Say,
Speaker 5: on a night where people feel like something's going to happen,
Speaker 5: they just have this electricity, their hairstanns on end. They
Speaker 5: know when something's going to happen. Some of them will
Speaker 5: say the Lord's Prayer really loud, or you know, whatever
Speaker 5: makes them feel safe, whatever religion they're in, or they've
Speaker 5: stopped it for that night. But I know there's been
Speaker 5: a couple of books written out there saying this is
Speaker 5: how to stop it, which I feel really misleads people,
Speaker 5: and I don't want to do that. So I have
Speaker 5: people in their late seventies eighties going what do they
Speaker 5: want with me now? And I tell them I've learned
Speaker 5: that it's a lifelong program. I'm in it, my son
Speaker 5: is in it, and many, you know, millions of others.
Speaker 4: Yeah, obviously it's just like they obviously are studying their
Speaker 4: whole lives, which would make sense from you know, a
Speaker 4: scientific standpoint. Can you tell us what you think some
Speaker 4: of the strongest cases you've experienced have come across you know,
Speaker 4: I've heard of multiple witness cases, which really ramps it
Speaker 4: up for me and helps strengthen the case.
Speaker 5: Absolutely. My Coronado Island case that happened in nineteen ninety four,
Speaker 5: twelve people, a dozen people from my support group, I
Speaker 5: was seeing the conference. This was this was hosted by
Speaker 5: the Robert Biglow Foundation. It was called Triad Conference. There were, look,
Speaker 5: I said, a dozen people that weekend that were that
Speaker 5: had experiences. They all saw each other on the craft.
Speaker 5: They described seeing each other on the craft that one
Speaker 5: And because I was there and as I was writing it,
Speaker 5: writing the book, I remember I could put myself back
Speaker 5: there and I remember the you know, people coming up
Speaker 5: to me and saying, I'm not feeling well. You know,
Speaker 5: one person hat all this ahead of time and to
Speaker 5: come to the conference, and after he had his experience,
Speaker 5: he didn't remember everything, but he refused to go to
Speaker 5: the conference. He went shopping with his wife instead and
Speaker 5: was like, what you know, he just refused. Of course,
Speaker 5: I started doing sessions on all of them as we
Speaker 5: returned home, but it wasn't right away. It was, you know,
Speaker 5: bits and pieces. As I was writing the book, I
Speaker 5: was traveling up north to do more sessions because there
Speaker 5: were so many people involved. So I'm hoping that, I mean,
Speaker 5: I'm putting it out there in the universe that I
Speaker 5: like for this to be made into a feature film,
Speaker 5: because I think people need to know that there not
Speaker 5: one person out on the cornfield. This is happening to
Speaker 5: This is happening to you. And we have double abduction cases,
Speaker 5: multiple witness cases. I have several double abduction cases. My
Speaker 5: first one was with the double abduction of two brothers
Speaker 5: in the fifties and the encounter show back in the
Speaker 5: nine you did a wonderful segment on it. I show
Speaker 5: that every once in a while at my lectures because
Speaker 5: they put it together so well. Uh, there are so
Speaker 5: many you know, details to it, so you know it's
Speaker 5: this is a real experience. And since I'm as old
Speaker 5: as I am, Captain Ron, I don't care what people
Speaker 5: think of me. They want to think I'm crazy, Fine,
Speaker 5: I'm just going to continue my work. That's not going
Speaker 5: to stop me from what I'm doing.
Speaker 4: Well, you're also going to get new blood into this field,
Speaker 4: because you know, we've lost Bud Hopkins, your mentor, we've
Speaker 4: lost John Mack. Of course, Doctor Jacobs is retired. Barbara
Speaker 4: Lamb is still doing it, but I think she's slowed
Speaker 4: down quite a bit, right, and now you're going to
Speaker 4: be training people in this technique.
Speaker 5: Right, It's on my website. So anyone out there, you're
Speaker 5: a therapist, you want to do this go to my
Speaker 5: website has all the information on there. And you know,
Speaker 5: we need as many therapists and medical personnel as we
Speaker 5: can get in this field because you know, everybody, we
Speaker 5: all want evidence. You know, I want reports, I want evidence,
Speaker 5: and you know, since we lost off your roder lear,
Speaker 5: we're not doing the surgeries right now. But even even so,
Speaker 5: I don't encourage people to remove their objects, their implants
Speaker 5: unless it's causing them pain or discomfort.
Speaker 4: And this typically does kind of affect people's lives. I mean,
Speaker 4: you mentioned some good things that they feel more connected
Speaker 4: with animals and nature and whatnot, But meanwhile it often
Speaker 4: ruins their lives and a divorce, they lose their job
Speaker 4: and things like that.
Speaker 5: Right, Oh my god, it's still a stigma. You know,
Speaker 5: it's unfortunate people can't talk about UFOs without fear of
Speaker 5: losing their jobs and their status in the community. I mean,
Speaker 5: I've seen a lot of divorces, including mine. You know,
Speaker 5: it affects your entire life. That's why I just credit
Speaker 5: people for you. There's a lot of people coming forward
Speaker 5: and saying I'm so tired of you know, living a
Speaker 5: secret life. People from all walks of life. I mean,
Speaker 5: I have professional people that come to me, you know,
Speaker 5: people from all walks of life, people who own businesses, corporations, scientists.
Speaker 3: It.
Speaker 5: You know, you're not immune from this experience, and they
Speaker 5: don't care whether you're I have people who are famous
Speaker 5: and they're not famous and rich and poor. I mean,
Speaker 5: you know, cross section.
Speaker 4: It does not discriminate at all in any way, shape
Speaker 4: or form. It's anybody, not at all, not at all.
Speaker 4: How often do these experiencers also say they saw UFO?
Speaker 4: Is that common?
Speaker 5: It's common? And then won'll say, you know, I saw
Speaker 5: UFO or they'll often it's a you know, maybe maybe
Speaker 5: strange lights in the sky or something low flying. Uh.
Speaker 5: They they know it can't be a helicopter because they're
Speaker 5: very loud, or plane doesn't fly that low. You know,
Speaker 5: many years ago with families, so they'll all see something.
Speaker 5: I have family is it have all seen, say a
Speaker 5: flying saucer or something very strange hovering over Eberty. They're
Speaker 5: having like a family get together, and they all walk
Speaker 5: in the house and nobody talks about it for ten years.
Speaker 5: I really feel people are programmed not to talk about it,
Speaker 5: and then twenty years later, it's really strange so'll go
Speaker 5: something will trigger them the good you remember when we
Speaker 5: were standing out on the patio, you know, and they'll
Speaker 5: go yeah, and then other family members don't want to
Speaker 5: talk about it.
Speaker 4: So yeah, really interesting stuff. Well, thanks so much Yvonne
Speaker 4: for coming on. I really appreciate it. It's very interesting
Speaker 4: and I think you've done a lot of good work
Speaker 4: with people. I know firsthand that you've helped a lot
Speaker 4: of people directly, so thank you for that as well.
Speaker 4: Go to hypnotherapist Jhonsmith dot com if you want to
Speaker 4: find her. You could find out everything about her and
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